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Sharri | 27 January · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Shari.
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Speaker 1: Good evening and welcome to the program.
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Speaker 3: I'm James Macpherson filling in for Shari coming up tonight.
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Speaker 3: Australia Day has turned into open season on our national
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Speaker 3: symbols and on top of that, we saw plenty of
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Speaker 3: intimidation and more than a couple of assaults yesterday. So
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Speaker 3: the question remains why are authorities tolerating it? And remember
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Speaker 3: those hate speech laws passed last week to combat anti Semitism. Well,
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Speaker 3: Tony Burke's first exercise of his expanded new powers wasn't
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Speaker 3: to stop a Islamic hate preacher coming to this country,
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Speaker 3: but to block a Jew who was critical of Islam. Plus,
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Speaker 3: the Liberal Party's leadership tensions keep on building, talks of spills,
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Speaker 3: factional maths and two contenders looming. Is Susan Lee about
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Speaker 3: to be toppled? We'll get into all of that and
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Speaker 3: more shortly. But first, Queensland Premier David Chrisofooley spoke on
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Speaker 3: behalf of Mostustralians today when he said burning the national
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Speaker 3: flag should be a criminal offense. Now there's a problem
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Speaker 3: with what I just said, isn't there? When I talk
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Speaker 3: about the national flag You're not sure if I'm referring
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Speaker 3: to the Australian flag or the other two that these
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Speaker 3: days seem to fold around like ideological support animals. Assistant
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Speaker 3: Minister to the Prime Minister Patrick Gorman said yesterday, and
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Speaker 3: I quote the Australian national flag, the Aboriginal flag and
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Speaker 3: Torres Strait Islander flag should all be treated with the
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Speaker 3: respect and dignity they deserve as the nation's most important
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Speaker 3: national symbols. Now, I'm just trying to remember the national
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Speaker 3: plebiscite where we all voted to demote the Australian flag
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Speaker 3: into a three way co parenting arrangement.
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Speaker 1: Can you remember agreeing to that? No?
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Speaker 3: Neither can I, but I digress. Here's Premier David Chris o'fooley.
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Speaker 4: It's about as disgraceful as you get.
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Speaker 5: If the leaders in the nation's capital decided that that
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Speaker 5: was an offense, we'd certainly support ordered and we'd certainly police.
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Speaker 3: That the Queensland Premier's Corps. For burning the flag to
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Speaker 3: be criminalized is not new. Just last week the Federal
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Speaker 3: Liberal Party moved a motion for such a law, only
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Speaker 3: to have Labor vote against it, and so predictably yesterday
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Speaker 3: right on Q, we got this, what do we want?
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Speaker 3: It wasn't enough to set the flag on fire, then
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Speaker 3: people were invited to come and spit on the ashes.
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Speaker 3: According to a report in the Career Mail, before burning
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Speaker 3: the flag, the Aboriginal elder helpfully explained and I quote,
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Speaker 3: the flag does not represent all of us, which naturally
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Speaker 3: begs the question who exactly does the indigenous flag represent?
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Speaker 3: By the way, isn't it funny how anti Australia activists
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Speaker 3: want to burn the Australian flag, but you never see
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Speaker 3: any of them setting fire to Center Link money. Do
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Speaker 3: you deconalize except for the part of the colony that
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Speaker 3: pays us to sit at home nursing a huge chip
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Speaker 3: on our shoulder, living off a system that exists because
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Speaker 3: of colonization while damning colonization is peak hypocrisy. Speaking of which,
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Speaker 3: here's Jason Clare on Sky News this morning.
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Speaker 6: But we do need to send a message to these
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Speaker 6: people that this is a country we should be proud of. Now,
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Speaker 6: this is a flag we should be proud of. It's
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Speaker 6: not a flag we should be burning.
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Speaker 1: Nice words, mister Claire.
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Speaker 3: But just one week ago, when the Liberals suggested we
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Speaker 3: ban burning the flag. Your party poured cold water on
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Speaker 3: the idea burning the flag is an important.
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Speaker 1: Part of free speech apparently.
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Speaker 3: Meanwhile, in Melbourne, police have launched a manhunt to find
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Speaker 3: the bloke who allegedly used the gay slur while jogging.
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Speaker 1: Through a park.
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Speaker 5: Police are hunting and Melbourne jogger wanted over a homophobic
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Speaker 5: outburst against three strangers in Kensington, Victoria.
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Speaker 1: Police just will not tolerate its. Society will not tolerate it.
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Speaker 5: That's why we're asking the public for their assistance to
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Speaker 5: identify this.
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Speaker 1: Person, the suspect. He is facing a hefty fine if
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Speaker 1: found guilty. So let me get this straight.
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Speaker 3: Say a naughty word while jogging around the park and
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Speaker 3: we get a full CSI operation.
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Speaker 1: But you can burn the national flag in the.
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Speaker 3: Middle of the CBD and well, that's legitimate cultural commentary.
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Speaker 3: I'm not saying it's okay to insult people because of
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Speaker 3: their sexuality.
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Speaker 1: I'm just perplexed as.
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Speaker 3: To why that merits full sirens while flag burning doesn't
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Speaker 3: even merit a shrug. Jason Clair was asked three times
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Speaker 3: this morning whether or not burning the flag should be illegal,
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Speaker 3: and three times he demonstrated the evasive footwork of Muhammad
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Speaker 3: Ali into his prime.
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Speaker 1: Should this be made illegal?
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Speaker 6: And I think most Australians would be looking at that
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Speaker 6: idiot burning the flag and just shaking their head.
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Speaker 1: No, we need to turn the temperature down a little
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Speaker 1: bit here and that's what that flag should be made illegal.
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Speaker 6: Jason, Well, as I understand that NAT in different states,
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Speaker 6: the police have already got the powers to act here
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Speaker 6: and they.
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Speaker 5: Do so you don't think we should make it a
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Speaker 5: federal offense to burn the Australian flag making it is
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Speaker 5: that illegal?
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Speaker 6: As I said, I'll divert the experts here about what works.
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Speaker 3: Mister Claire doesn't want us to know what he thinks,
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Speaker 3: so spare us your love of flag retric mister Claire.
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Speaker 3: While an Aboriginal elder was allowed to burn a flag
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Speaker 3: with impunity, a non Indigenous woman was moved on by
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Speaker 3: police for the crime of waiving one.
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Speaker 7: Just like.
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Speaker 1: She's surrounded by four officers. Can you believe it?
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Speaker 2: I get it.
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Speaker 3: You just can't take any chances with a middle aged
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Speaker 3: woman waving the national flag, can you? And I get
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Speaker 3: it as well, because people waving the Australian flag across
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Speaker 3: the road from an anti Australia protest, Well, they risk
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Speaker 3: inflaming things.
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Speaker 1: See what I did there.
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Speaker 3: As it turns out, the woman was lucky to have
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Speaker 3: police intervene. In Melbourne, police just stood by and watched
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Speaker 3: as Australian flag waivers were attacked in the street.
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Speaker 8: You guys want to do something about this, don't be.
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Speaker 3: And it would appear that one of the many involved
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Speaker 3: in that scuffle where police stood by twiddling their thumbs,
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Speaker 3: was later involved in this altercation that ultimately left a
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Speaker 3: flag waiver bloodied. So let's recap Burn the Australian flag
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Speaker 3: and you'll suffer zero consequences. Wave the Australian flag in
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Speaker 3: Australia on Australia Day and you'll be moved on by
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Speaker 3: police or face violence from a mob. Government ministers can
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Speaker 3: pontificate all they like about social cohesion. If you can't
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Speaker 3: wave your own flag in your own country on your
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Speaker 3: own national day without fear of intimidation where you don't
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Speaker 3: have much social cohesion, do you? You don't even have
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Speaker 3: much of a country, to be honest, And are we
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Speaker 3: really surprised he's our publicly funded sbs on Australia Day
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Speaker 3: using your money to help with that social cohesion.
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Speaker 9: This iconic phrase originated with Bark and g land rights
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Speaker 9: campaigners in northwest New South Wales in the nineteen eighties.
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Speaker 1: It's a challenge to.
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Speaker 9: The British idea of terror nullius. Nobody's land that for
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Speaker 9: two hundred years was used as the legal basis for colonization,
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Speaker 9: always was, always will be Aboriginal land.
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Speaker 1: So there you go.
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Speaker 3: According to SBS, the chant always was, always will be
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Speaker 3: Aboriginal land is not divisive, no, no, it's an iconic
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Speaker 3: chant that explained is why Australia is an illegitimate nation.
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Speaker 3: Oh and happy Australia Day. Well, why wouldn't you burn
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Speaker 3: the flag? Why wouldn't you attack a person waiving it?
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Speaker 3: The government won't defend it, police won't protect people who
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Speaker 3: display it, and SBS cheerfully use your money to explain
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Speaker 3: why it shouldn't exist in the first place. And that's
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Speaker 3: how you end up with people like this young philosopher
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Speaker 3: explaining why he was protesting all things Australia in Sydney yesterday.
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Speaker 6: I am here just because that's an important cause, and yeah,
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Speaker 6: what more reason do you need?
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Speaker 3: Let me come on, Well, I think we're going to
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Speaker 3: need a better explanation than that. So let's try someone
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Speaker 3: else so and pay attention to what dis pairs say
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Speaker 3: after listing every progressive left talking point they can possibly
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Speaker 3: think of.
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Speaker 5: So are here because, as we all know, Ashlia was
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Speaker 5: founded Bill Swan Jenna Side.
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Speaker 7: The date needs to be changed. It's not a date
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Speaker 7: to celebrate.
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Speaker 8: So black debts and custody continue to be happening.
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Speaker 2: There is no racial justice until respacinations justice.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 8: We're also teachers, so have we work on dark land?
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Speaker 10: Yeah?
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Speaker 5: And so we just think it's really important to educate
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Speaker 5: the future generation.
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Speaker 3: Please don't, please don't educate future generations. For the love
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Speaker 3: of God, this next guy has clearly graduated with high
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Speaker 3: distinction from our education system.
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Speaker 6: Hey, you know, just here because you know common sense?
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Speaker 8: Really, isn't it like Faboriginal land?
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Speaker 6: That's about it.
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Speaker 3: If it's Aboriginal land, the logical response would be to leave,
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Speaker 3: not squat on it, while loudly declaring you have no right.
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Speaker 2: To be there.
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Speaker 1: It's common sense, really, isn't it.
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Speaker 11: Here's another I'm here because it always was and always
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Speaker 11: will be Aboriginal Land.
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Speaker 3: Again, if it always was, always will be Aboriginal land,
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Speaker 3: why are you still here?
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Speaker 1: Yapping? Instead of relocating.
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Speaker 3: Our government, our police, our public broadcasters and our education
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Speaker 3: system all have a lot to answer for, don't they.
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Speaker 3: Because civilizations don't usually collapse with a bang.
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Speaker 1: They usually collapse.
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Speaker 3: With well confused slogans, inverted laws, moral cowardice and the
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Speaker 3: nation that's no longer allowed to even like itself.
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Speaker 1: Question how exactly.
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Speaker 3: Was Ahammad al Ahmed not named Australian of the Year.
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Speaker 1: You remember Ahmed, the Muslim.
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Speaker 3: Bloke who courageously tackled one of the Islamic terrorists at
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Speaker 3: Bondai on December fourteenth, undoubtedly saving countless lives. He did
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Speaker 3: this without any regard for his own safety and was
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Speaker 3: grievously wounded in the process. The guy is a model
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Speaker 3: Australian citizen. Now he was given the keys to the
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Speaker 3: city of Canterbury Bankstown yesterday, but risking his life to
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Speaker 3: save others during the worst terror attack in Australian history
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Speaker 3: wasn't quite enough to have him crowned Australian of the Year. Instead,
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Speaker 3: that gon went to an astronaut who's never been into space. Now,
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Speaker 3: I don't want to be unkind to Catherine ben or Pegg.
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Speaker 3: She's obviously very smart, She's worked very hard and has
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Speaker 3: achieved a lot by becoming ready to go into space.
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Speaker 1: But I mean Katie Perry has actually been into space.
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Speaker 3: There's a technical reason as to why Ahmed al Ahmed
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Speaker 3: wasn't named Australian of the Year. Nominations for the twenty
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Speaker 3: twenty six Australian of the Year closed on July thirty
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Speaker 3: first last year, so technically the award shouldn't be called
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Speaker 3: Australian of the Year at all. It should be called
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Speaker 3: Australian of the first six months of last year. Anyway,
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Speaker 3: Ahmed's bond bi heroics arrived inconveniently late for the bureaucratic
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Speaker 3: filing cabinet. Ahmed Ahmed should be a walk up start
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Speaker 3: for the award in twenty twenty seven, assuming he doesn't
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Speaker 3: mind waiting politely while the process completes its paperwork. But seriously,
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Speaker 3: between December fourteenth and January twenty six, I reckon organizers
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Speaker 3: of the Australian of the Year award could have dispersed
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Speaker 3: with process and simply recognized the obvious. In twenty twenty five,
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Speaker 3: Ahmed Ahmed, a man willing to lay down his life
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Speaker 3: for others, represented the best of us, no question at all.
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Speaker 3: All right, well, let me go back to the ugly
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Speaker 3: scenes that marred yesterday's Australia Day celebrations. I didn't mention
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Speaker 3: in my opening that along with flag burning and calls
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Speaker 3: for Australia to be abolished, we also saw globalize the
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Speaker 3: interfata chance not to mention neo Nazi retric at anti
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Speaker 3: immigration events. Joining me now as my panel former Speaker
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Speaker 3: of the House Bromwin Bishop and former Liberal Senator Holly Hughes.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to you both. Bromwin, let me start with you.
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Speaker 3: How do we get to a point where extremists have
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Speaker 3: managed to completely hijack our national Day.
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Speaker 10: Well, what we've seen is that they've infiltrated organizations which
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Speaker 10: have been around for a long time and they've taken
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Speaker 10: them over basically. And let me say this. In two
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Speaker 10: thousand and two, I think I actually introduced a bill
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Speaker 10: to make it a criminal offense to burn the flag
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Speaker 10: or otherwise damage it. And I took a lot of
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Speaker 10: care to ensure that it didn't impinge upon the freedom
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Speaker 10: of communication by consulting the person who originally found that
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Speaker 10: as an implied right, and I was convinced that it
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Speaker 10: was a good piece of legislation. I got to speak
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Speaker 10: to it, but it never got a second reading, and
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Speaker 10: John Howard was the Prime Minister. So I'm interested to
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Speaker 10: see it coming up again because I think it is
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Speaker 10: an important debate to have. But burning the flag, to
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Speaker 10: me mean, is a metaphor for burning everything that we
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Speaker 10: have built since seventeen eighty eight. Now, presumably in the
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Speaker 10: man who built that flag came in a car or
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Speaker 10: public transport. We ate food that came out of a
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Speaker 10: retail shop, delivered by a truck driven on roads. He
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Speaker 10: apparently went home after that to a house or an apartment. Now,
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Speaker 10: if you burn everything that we have built in this country,
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Speaker 10: then you'd have to burn all that too, and he'd
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Speaker 10: have to go back to living as it was in
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Speaker 10: seventeen eighty eight. I don't think that's what he has
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Speaker 10: in mind.
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Speaker 3: No, I don't think he does, or any of the
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Speaker 3: other protests absolutely most against our country yesterday, Holly Hughes,
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Speaker 3: let me ask you, how do we get our country back?
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Speaker 12: Or is this just the depressing new normal?
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Speaker 7: Isn't it just so upsetting?
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Speaker 13: Though when we consistently see the pulling down of what
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Speaker 13: Australia has been founded on our values, what has made
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Speaker 13: as one of the greatest nations in the world.
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Speaker 7: Yet somehow or.
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Speaker 14: Other, we have this maligned minority in Australia who were
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Speaker 14: determined to absolutely pull everything down. We have everything around
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Speaker 14: the wrong way. When you have people burning our flag
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Speaker 14: and nothing occurs, Yet you have people being moved on
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Speaker 14: or what appeared to be assaulted for even carrying our
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Speaker 14: national flag on our national Day. I mean, it is
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Speaker 14: just such a sad state of affairs. But this division
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Speaker 14: within our society is just getting worse. I hope it's
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Speaker 14: not permanent, but it's awful to see. And yet under
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Speaker 14: this government we're seeing it to continue to grow and
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Speaker 14: fester go ahead.
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Speaker 10: There's one other important point to make. Yes, there were
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Speaker 10: a few thousand people who are protesting against Australia Day,
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Speaker 10: but there were millions celebrating it. I was out on
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Speaker 10: the pit water with people who are having a wonderful
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Speaker 10: time celebrating it all over Australia, and yet we didn't
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Speaker 10: see all that. I would like to see more coverage
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Speaker 10: of people celebrating, isn't this wonderful and less of the
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Speaker 10: people who are seeking attention and coverage.
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Speaker 3: I think we'd all love that problem, but then we
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Speaker 3: had incidences like the one in Perth where a man
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Speaker 3: has now been charged over what police alleged was an
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Speaker 3: explosive device thrown into the crowd at an invasion day rally.
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Speaker 3: The device is alleged to have contained ball bearings and
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Speaker 3: screws inside a glass jar that was filled with what
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Speaker 3: police will allege was explosive material. Whatever the device was,
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Speaker 3: it didn't detonate, thank god, but the incident forced thousands
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Speaker 3: to evacuate and sent the CBD into lockdown for hours,
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Speaker 3: with police treating it as a potential mass casualty event.
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Speaker 3: Now we can't comment any further on the specific incident because,
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Speaker 3: as I said, there's.
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Speaker 1: A man charged in awaiting trial.
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Speaker 3: But more generally, Holly, do you ever feel like Australia
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Speaker 3: is becoming completely unrecognizable to the country that we all
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Speaker 3: grew up in.
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Speaker 14: Well, it is, and you look at what's happening across
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Speaker 14: so many of our major metropolitan cities in a way
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Speaker 14: that these sort of activities that are on the increase,
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Speaker 14: that these people think this is an appropriate way to
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Speaker 14: behave And it would seem to be that the extremists
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Speaker 14: on the far left are just as mad as the
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Speaker 14: extremists on the far right. And you know, Bromin does
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Speaker 14: make the great point that there were millions of Australians
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Speaker 14: who celebrated Australian Day yesterday. And you know, I think,
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Speaker 14: if you need a boost to your soul, get out
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Speaker 14: of the cities and come out into the country because
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Speaker 14: it is very proudly celebrated as Australia Day. It was
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Speaker 14: beautiful just even driving into town tonight to see how
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Speaker 14: many properties had Australian flags flying off their letter boxes
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Speaker 14: at the front, and the number of vehicles that were
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Speaker 14: driving around with their flags on them and not in
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Speaker 14: some demeeting way or redneck way. It's actually just pride
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Speaker 14: in our country and an appreciation for the fabulous way
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Speaker 14: of life we've always had and the fact that this
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Speaker 14: sort of anger is consistently being demonstrated is just not
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Speaker 14: reflective of who we used to be as a nation.
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Speaker 3: Well, let's play a game, brom and let's imagine Prime
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Speaker 3: Minister Brombon.
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Speaker 1: Bishop, which they should always have been. But let's just close.
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Speaker 3: You had your moment, Now, what would you do to
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Speaker 3: unite the country and is it possible to unite the
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Speaker 3: country into lower tensions and get everybody on the same page.
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Speaker 3: Or are we just stuck with this permanent division now
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Speaker 3: where neither side can talk to each other and we
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Speaker 3: have episodes like the ones we saw yesterday.
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Speaker 10: Well, to be that Prime Minister, we'd have to displace
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Speaker 10: what's there right now. And that climate that this government
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Speaker 10: has created has led to these divisions. They were not
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Speaker 10: nipped in the bud right back at that demonstration on
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Speaker 10: the steps of the Opera House back after in October
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Speaker 10: twenty twenty three. So what I would be doing is
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Speaker 10: I would be doing more than just making the nice
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Speaker 10: odd speech that mister Albernizi is now going to because
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Speaker 10: he's obviously done polling that said he's not going down
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Speaker 10: too well. And I wouldn't have the henchmen of mister
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Speaker 10: Burke pulling on Holocaust Day the visa at the last
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Speaker 10: minute of someone who was coming here from Israel. So
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Speaker 10: I think what I would be doing is I would
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Speaker 10: be enacting legislation to protect the flag. I would be
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Speaker 10: setting standards that said this is what Australians do, and
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Speaker 10: I would be listening immigration, and I would be strict
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Speaker 10: about the visas that we issued, not in the way
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Speaker 10: mister Burke is doing, but in a way that really
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Speaker 10: recognizes what freedom of speech really does mean in this country.
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Speaker 3: All right, let's talk federal politics then, because obviously leadership
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Speaker 3: eruptions in the Liberal Party continue, So let's cut straight
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Speaker 3: to the chase, Brom. When I'll start with you, then
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Speaker 3: I'll come to you, Holly. Should Susan Lee face a
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Speaker 3: leadership spill?
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Speaker 10: Well, it's not a question of that. You've got people
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Speaker 10: speculating about who might and who mightn't. I think I
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Speaker 10: described the Liberal parties, but you're doing a lot of dithering.
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Speaker 10: They're still dithering. The bottom line is that the Liberal
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Speaker 10: Party needs to have stability and there needs to be
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Speaker 10: some accommodation made between the parties of the center right,
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Speaker 10: the Nationals and One Nation. And if that process doesn't
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Speaker 10: start with building the coalition back together again before we
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Speaker 10: have too many people with too many shadow portfolios, we're
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Speaker 10: in deep doodoo. So the Right has to sort itself out.
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Speaker 3: What I hear you saying, Brom when is there should
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Speaker 3: be a leadership challenge And so.
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Speaker 10: No, you're hearing me say unless the Right sorts itself out,
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Speaker 10: there's no point Holly.
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Speaker 3: Has susonly been given enough time to prove her leadership.
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Speaker 7: No, not at all. She's been undermined from day one.
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Speaker 14: And to be honest, if there's two challenges that are
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Speaker 14: now flouting themselves out and about in the national press,
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Speaker 14: expect to have undying loyalty from the pie, which is
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Speaker 14: not what I think many of us have seen be
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Speaker 14: give to Susan since she's taken on the role, and
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Speaker 14: until they can sort themselves out and realize that, you know,
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Speaker 14: Susan is the leader, she should be given a go.
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Speaker 7: She hasn't been.
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Speaker 14: She's done an extraordinary job when you think about what's
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Speaker 14: happened since Bondai in the way that she has actually
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Speaker 14: stood up for Jewish Australians.
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Speaker 7: And really led the way.
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Speaker 14: But you know, the boys will be boys, obviously, and
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Speaker 14: they're sort of, you know, having a bit of a
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Speaker 14: contest at the moment, but neither of them are willing
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Speaker 14: to stand up and say yep, it's going to be
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Speaker 14: me because they're trying to wheel and deal in the background.
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Speaker 7: So there isn't the two of them standing against Susan.
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Speaker 14: But you know, i'd be interesting to see whether the
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Speaker 14: same loyalty they've displayed to Susan is shown to them.
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Speaker 1: Holly, I've got to pick you up on something. You
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Speaker 1: just said, boys will be boys.
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Speaker 12: Are you suggesting this is because Susan Lee is a woman.
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Speaker 14: I know, but it's like a pissing contest to be
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Speaker 14: perfectly frank between you know's more conservative and right wing
23:02
Speaker 14: of the blokes that need to get rid of Susan
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Speaker 14: and they've been participating in this charade since she took
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Speaker 14: on the leadership.
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Speaker 7: Look, I don't think she's been given a fair guy.
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Speaker 14: I don't buy into it's because she's a woman. They
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Speaker 14: just haven't given her a go because it's not there.
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Speaker 3: All right, I need to get your opinions on one
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Speaker 3: other topic before we go to a break. Kevin Rudd
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Speaker 3: is finishing as our ambassador in the US.
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Speaker 1: There's talk that.
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Speaker 3: He's now getting in people's ears lobbying to become Secretary
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Speaker 3: General of the United Nations, which we know he once
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Speaker 3: aspired to when Turnbull was Prime Minister. So very quickly, Bronwyn,
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Speaker 3: Kevin Rudd running the United Nations good idea, we.
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Speaker 10: Always wanted it, and he is preferable to what's all
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Speaker 10: off for right there?
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Speaker 1: That's not saying a great deal about what's on offer exactly.
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Speaker 10: But you've got a government now that would back him in,
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Speaker 10: and I think he's resigning now. He's going to spend
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Speaker 10: the next do you campaigning for it.
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Speaker 1: I think he will. Holly, what are your thoughts?
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Speaker 14: Well, I mean I'm not a big fan of the UN,
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Speaker 14: so maybe the UN and Kevin hanging out together.
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Speaker 7: It's the first outcome for everybody and we can just
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Speaker 7: officially ignore them both going forward.
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Speaker 1: I like it very well, said from Holly.
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Speaker 12: A delight to talk with you both.
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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining me.
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Speaker 12: All Right, well let's go now to.
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Speaker 3: Start to talk about the Liberal leadership again, because that
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Speaker 3: speculation is going to bubble along for at least the
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Speaker 3: next couple of weeks. Liberal front benches have been out
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Speaker 3: in full force playing damage control, with Andrew Wallace and
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Speaker 3: Tim Wilson speaking to Sky this week.
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Speaker 1: Well, Susan's a leader, and I always support the leader.
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Speaker 15: We've got to make sure that whatever it is, we're
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Speaker 15: united behind the team. We need to make sure we're
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Speaker 15: holding the alban Easy government to account.
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Speaker 16: I've made it very clear to all in Sundry that
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Speaker 16: I support the leader.
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Speaker 1: Susan has my absolute support. I think this is a
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Speaker 1: storm in a teacup.
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Speaker 16: I think there's a small number of people who are
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Speaker 16: trying to whip this into something that it's not.
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Speaker 3: Of the two contenders, Angus Taylor's refusing to rule out
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Speaker 3: a tilt for the leadership, and at the same time,
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Speaker 3: Andrew Hasty's backers are talking up numbers inside the Conservative faction,
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Speaker 3: and the party's moderates are now being counted or courted
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Speaker 3: rather too. So the question is who will it be
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Speaker 3: joining me now? Is Liberal Senator Lee of blythe Your
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Speaker 3: colleague Andrew Wallace told Chris Kenny earlier this evening that
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Speaker 3: leadership rumblings within the party were a quote storm in
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Speaker 3: a teacup.
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Speaker 1: Do you agree with that analysis.
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Speaker 5: I'm certainly not aware of any formal challenge to the leadership.
25:46
Speaker 5: And what's a little bit disappointing in all of this
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Speaker 5: is the coalition has once again or not a coalition anymore.
25:53
Speaker 5: The Liberal Party has been talking about itself for a
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Speaker 5: number of weeks now, when we should be focused on
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Speaker 5: holding what is probably one of the worst labor governments
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Speaker 5: that we've ever had in this country to account. So
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Speaker 5: you know, that's what we need to be doing, rather
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Speaker 5: than talking about ourselves and hypothetical leadership challenges.
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Speaker 3: You're quite right because the government is getting a free
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Speaker 3: kick at the moment, so the leadership issue needs to
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Speaker 3: be resolved quickly. It can't really be resolved without the spill,
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Speaker 3: can it. Otherwise this will just continue on and on.
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Speaker 5: I think, you know, seeing the dissolution of the coalition
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Speaker 5: agreement is very problematic for us. You know, disunity is death,
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Speaker 5: as they say, so we really do need to resolve it.
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Speaker 5: I don't think we should have who our leader is
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Speaker 5: dictated to by our coalition partner. But at the same time,
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Speaker 5: we can't continue in this I guess no man's land
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Speaker 5: of continually talking about ourselves. The Australian people deserve a
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Speaker 5: strong opposition that's going to hold this Labor government to account.
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Speaker 5: Living standards in Australia are dropping. You know, We've got
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Speaker 5: sky high electricity prices and we're in the middle of
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Speaker 5: a heat wave here in South Australia, and I've been
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Speaker 5: talking to people out there that are sort of really
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Speaker 5: really stressed about what their electricity bill is going to
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Speaker 5: look like. But they're just you know, choosing between turning
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Speaker 5: their air conditioner on or whether they put food on
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Speaker 5: the table and that's not how we should be living
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Speaker 5: in Australia.
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Speaker 1: Has anyone called asking for your support?
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Speaker 5: No, I haven't had any phone calls asking for my support.
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Speaker 5: So I think, you know, this is a lot of
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Speaker 5: speculation out there. And I am in the shadow ministry
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Speaker 5: and that is you know, I support the leader. We
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Speaker 5: haven't had a ballot. There's been no call for a ballot,
27:54
Speaker 5: so I think we really all need to be getting
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Speaker 5: back to the job of holding this Labor government to account.
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Speaker 3: I have to smirk because when politicians say I am
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Speaker 3: in the shadow ministry and I support my leader, it
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Speaker 3: sounds like because I'm in the shadow ministry, that's all
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Speaker 3: I can say.
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Speaker 1: Is that a fair assumption.
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Speaker 5: Look, I think if you're not supportive of the leader,
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Speaker 5: that conversation happens with the leader first. It's not going
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Speaker 5: to be happening with media outlets.
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Speaker 1: But we are a.
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Speaker 5: Team, and I very strongly believe in the team and
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Speaker 5: that we've all got to stick together. As I said,
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Speaker 5: if we're not united in fighting Labor and the Greens,
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Speaker 5: and you know, now, let's be honest, we're fighting one
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Speaker 5: nation as well. If we're not united in that, then
28:42
Speaker 5: we're not doing Australian as a service. So we've all
28:46
Speaker 5: got to be in there together and our focus can't
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Speaker 5: be on ourselves anymore. Our focus has to be on
28:52
Speaker 5: fighting for the Australian people and again holding Labor to account.
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Speaker 5: They are out there free kicks all over the oval
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Speaker 5: at the moment, and they've probably had the worst two
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Speaker 5: months that we've seen this Labor government have since they
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Speaker 5: were elected. So we've got to get back to the
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Speaker 5: business of what we've all been elected to do, and
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Speaker 5: that has to stop. Leadership speculation is not helpful in
29:19
Speaker 5: doing that.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, the leadership's got to be sorted out. Do you
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Speaker 3: think there'll be a spill in the next Fortnight?
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Speaker 5: Look to go into hypotheticals. Hypothetically there could be, but
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Speaker 5: I don't know. I'm certainly not aware of any formal challenge. So,
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Speaker 5: you know, like anything, I'm focused on getting back into camera.
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Speaker 5: We do start our regular sitting program for the year.
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Speaker 5: I'm interested in actually getting bills more than a couple
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Speaker 5: of hours before we're expected to vote on them and
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Speaker 5: scrutinize them and hold this government to account. This is
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Speaker 5: a government that is not doing any favors for the
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Speaker 5: Australian people. They huge spending. We're nearly at a trillion
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Speaker 5: dollars debt and as I said, Australians living standards are
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Speaker 5: going backwards. We've got people choosing not to put their
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Speaker 5: electricity on because they can't afford it. You know, this
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Speaker 5: is a government that really does need the entire focus
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Speaker 5: of the opposition to make sure that we're doing the
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Speaker 5: right thing and sticking up and fighting every single day
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Speaker 5: for the Australian people.
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Speaker 1: Senator Blay, thanks for your time.
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Speaker 2: Well.
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Speaker 3: Coming up after the break, the Prime Minister made a
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Speaker 3: big deal of his hate speech laws designed to counteract
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Speaker 3: anti Semitism, but Tony Burker's used his new powers to
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Speaker 3: cancel the visa of a visiting Juwe and a Bondi
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Speaker 3: terror attack victim claims the hospital where she was treated
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Speaker 3: changed her Jewish name without a permission to protect her.
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Speaker 1: But from whom all of that after this welcome back
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Speaker 1: to the program.
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Speaker 12: Well.
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister Anthony Albanezie apologize to the Jewish community on
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Speaker 3: the National Day of Mourning. Just to Jogiory, here's what
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Speaker 3: he said at the Opera House last week.
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Speaker 17: Tragically, we are gathered here tonight because on the fourteenth
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Speaker 17: of December, everything changed and for that I am sorry.
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Speaker 3: So is that apology being treated as closure or does
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Speaker 3: the Jewish community want more than words from the PM.
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Speaker 3: Joining me now is former Australian Jewish Association president David Adler. David,
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Speaker 3: thanks for coming on the program. Albanezey's apology is that
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Speaker 3: apology accepted in your view by the Jewish community here.
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Speaker 4: To be honest, there's mixed views about it, James, and
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Speaker 4: some skepticism. Firstly, the grab you showed. He qualified the
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Speaker 4: apology by saying he was sorry that things had changed.
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Speaker 4: Later on he said he was sorry he could not
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Speaker 4: protect the community from evil. Well, that's a half cooked apology.
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Speaker 2: To be honest.
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Speaker 4: If you're a genuinely sorry, then you accept responsibility. I
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Speaker 4: am sorry for the actions and inactions of my government
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Speaker 4: is what he should have said. In Judaism, there's a
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Speaker 4: concept called shuva. It means you return, So in addition
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Speaker 4: to saying sorry, there's an obligation to make amends. In
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Speaker 4: this case, it means addressing the causation of the massacre
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Speaker 4: at Bondi, which was radical Islam. He should be dealing
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Speaker 4: with the hate preachers, the radical mosques talking about restricting
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Speaker 4: immigration to those that don't have violence as part of
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Speaker 4: their ideology. And then that's a complete apology. But at
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Speaker 4: least we heard the word from his lips. But there's
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Speaker 4: a long way to go to have a fullsome apology
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Speaker 4: in my view.
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Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough.
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Speaker 3: I want to talk to you about some of the
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Speaker 3: legislation that was passed last week by the government. They
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Speaker 3: made a big deal of their hate speech laws designed
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Speaker 3: to combat anti Semitism. But the first thing Tony Burk
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Speaker 3: has done with his expanded powers is to cancel the
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Speaker 3: visa of an Israeli influencer, Sami Yehood. Yahood's visa was
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Speaker 3: canceled three hours before he was due to flight in
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Speaker 3: Melbourne because he's previously been highly critical of Islam.
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Speaker 12: So Jews are allegedly murdered.
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Speaker 3: At Bonbai and the Albanezer government punishes a Jew who
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Speaker 3: dares to criticize Islam.
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Speaker 12: Surprised.
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Speaker 4: Look, this is nonsense and it shows Australia in a
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Speaker 4: terrible light. His flight, by the way from Israel to
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Speaker 4: Australias is the Jewish influencer Yep Yep had a stopover
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Speaker 4: in the UAE. He went to the UAE, which is
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Speaker 4: an Arab Muslim country. They were quite happy to accept him,
33:54
Speaker 4: and so he spent a little bit of time touring
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Speaker 4: before he had.
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Speaker 2: To go back to Israel.
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Speaker 4: So it seems that Australia is now a country which
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Speaker 4: readily cancels Israeli's and Jewish people who are conservative.
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Speaker 2: We've had a former.
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Speaker 4: Attorney General iolect Chaquette had her visa canceled a short notice,
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Speaker 4: a serving member of the Knesset, Simca Rothman, and a
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Speaker 4: high tech guy, Hillel Fuld, a number of whom were
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Speaker 4: to be speakers for our organization.
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Speaker 2: And cancel, cancel, cancel.
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Speaker 4: This is not really the behavior of a democratic country.
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Speaker 1: All right.
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Speaker 3: An extraordinary story broken by our Sky News colleague Andrew Clenell,
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Speaker 3: one of the victims of the Bondai massacre. She was injured,
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Speaker 3: critically taken to hospital, only to find that her Jewish
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Speaker 3: name on her wristband was changed to an Anglo Saxon
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Speaker 3: name without her permission by the hospital because they say
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Speaker 3: they wanted to protect her, ostensibly.
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Speaker 12: From the media, they say.
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Speaker 3: She says the name change immediately raised alarm bells because,
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Speaker 3: of course, there was the incident at Bankstown Hospital where
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Speaker 3: some nurses were filmed making what amounted essentially to threatening
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Speaker 3: comments towards Jewish patients. What did you make of the
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Speaker 3: hospital's actions and do you understand why this patient would
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Speaker 3: have immediately assumed that perhaps the hospital was trying to
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Speaker 3: protect her from their own staff or from other people.
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Speaker 4: Ded We've heard lots of concern and lots of stories
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Speaker 4: within the Jewish community about fear of hospitals. Now is
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Speaker 4: a real thing, because when you're ill and in hospital,
35:44
Speaker 4: you are act your most vulnerable, and your food goes
35:49
Speaker 4: through a number of hands before it gets to you.
35:53
Speaker 4: Your medications are also and in Western Sydney it's known
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Speaker 4: to be a hotbed of political activism on Israel, there's
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Speaker 4: a fair bit of anti Semitism in the area generally.
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Speaker 4: This is the first time that it's been publicized that
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Speaker 4: hospital administration have taken this sort of action.
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Speaker 2: I am aware of a number.
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Speaker 4: Of members of our community who've gone into hospital and
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Speaker 4: when asked the question to nominate their religion, have declined.
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Speaker 2: To do so.
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Speaker 4: So we do have a situation, James, in this country
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Speaker 4: where Jewish people are losing confidence in the hospital system,
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Speaker 4: and that's a terrible blight.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, that's an absolute tragedy.
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Speaker 3: If that is in fact happening, don't doubt that it
36:43
Speaker 3: is some bittersweet news for the Jewish community today. The
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Speaker 3: body of Please help me pronounce this gentleman's name, David.
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Speaker 1: Ran, how to pronounce his surname, Gavilli? Gavilli?
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Speaker 3: His body returned to his parents in Israel. Hamas terrorists
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Speaker 3: murdered the twenty four year old military police officer in
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Speaker 3: October seven. But of course that wasn't enough for Hamas,
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Speaker 3: was it. They then dragged his body back to Gaza,
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Speaker 3: where they kept it as a bargaining chip. Pronounced to Benjaminette,
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Speaker 3: Yahoo said, his body being brought back to Israel after
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Speaker 3: more than two years as an incredible achievement for the
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Speaker 3: State of Israel. We promised, I promised, he said, to
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Speaker 3: return them all, and we have returned them all. Ran
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Speaker 3: as a hero of Israel. He went in first and
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Speaker 3: he came out last. This is the first time I
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Speaker 3: believe that there's been no Jews being held hostage in
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Speaker 3: Gaza since twenty fourteen, the first time in twelve years
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Speaker 3: there's no Jews being held hostage.
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Speaker 4: Well, there was a gap there was an idf off
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Speaker 4: idea of soldier who was captured and held hostage for
37:52
Speaker 4: a number of years, and then of course October seven.
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Speaker 4: But this is an important step, not only living people,
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Speaker 4: but we show great respects for human remains. And you
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Speaker 4: and your viewers will be aware that a lot of
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Speaker 4: people were wearing these yellow badgers, the yellow ribbons, and
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Speaker 4: we have taken them off now that the last hostage
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Speaker 4: has been removed from Gaza, thank god. And at least
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Speaker 4: that's one chapter of this horrible saga which we can
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Speaker 4: draw a line under, and hopefully there'll be a range
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Speaker 4: of others that we can draw it a line under
38:36
Speaker 4: very soon.
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Speaker 3: Let me finish with today Holocaust Remembrance Day. Normally I
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Speaker 3: suppose it's a time of reflection, and I'm sure today was.
38:47
Speaker 3: But with all that we've seen in this country over
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Speaker 3: the past two years, with Australia Day just yesterday, in
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Speaker 3: chance of globalizing interfata, can you believe.
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Speaker 1: It on Australia Day.
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Speaker 3: Does it hit a little differently this Holocaust Remembrance Day
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Speaker 3: for Jewish Australians.
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Speaker 2: It absolutely does.
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Speaker 4: I couldn't have imagined two and a half years ago
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Speaker 4: that we would have events in Australia that were at
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Speaker 4: all reminiscent of the Holocaust. But I now understand and
39:19
Speaker 4: a lot of people understand what intergenerational trauma is, and
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Speaker 4: it is real. It's not something I'd given regard to previously.
39:30
Speaker 2: We all have.
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Speaker 4: Relatives, sometimes distant relatives, sometimes close relatives who were lost
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Speaker 4: during the Holocaust, and Australia stands out as second to
39:45
Speaker 4: Israel in having the highest number per capita of Holocaust
39:51
Speaker 4: survivors in the Jewish community, so it is a big
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Speaker 4: deal here. It does strike at the heart of the community.
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Speaker 4: And yeah, this year it was a little more somber,
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Speaker 4: and it has been since the seventh of October, because
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Speaker 4: we didn't anticipate that we'd be having to make the
40:13
Speaker 4: never again argument again.
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Speaker 3: Well, David, like all our viewers, I'm sure hope and
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Speaker 3: trust things improve for all Australians, not least of which
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Speaker 3: Jewish Australians. Thanks for coming on the program tonight, Thank
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Speaker 3: you so much. All Right, we're going to go to
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Speaker 3: a break after which Taiwan's already under heavy pressure from
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Speaker 3: China and now some fearing Trump won't back them in
40:33
Speaker 3: a crisis. I'm wondering if they should cut a deal
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Speaker 3: with their communist neighbor and let things be. My panel
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Speaker 3: would discuss that and more in just a moment. Welcome
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Speaker 3: back to the program. Well, the talk in Taiwan is
40:46
Speaker 3: becoming increasingly dark. Beijing is circling like a manly shark,
40:51
Speaker 3: and if that's not bad enough, some politicians are questioning
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Speaker 3: Trump's commitment to defending them. Joining me now is GXO
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Speaker 3: Strategies Director Cameron Milner and Men Research Center Senior fellow
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Speaker 3: Nick Kaita.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to you both.
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Speaker 3: Cameron, do you think the Taiwanese have reason to doubt
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Speaker 3: us resolve in the event of a conflict?
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Speaker 15: Well, I think they do, and I think we should
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Speaker 15: have grave fears for Taiwan and the democracy that is Taiwan,
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Speaker 15: because they've got intemperate Trump who is at the moments
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Speaker 15: of bumbling around the world being an allied to Son
41:23
Speaker 15: and any of you to others any different day of
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Speaker 15: the week. And in Australia, in our own region, we've
41:27
Speaker 15: got weak albow. But weak albow is going to stand.
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Speaker 2: Up for Taiwan.
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Speaker 15: I don't think so.
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Speaker 10: So.
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Speaker 15: Taiwan's got real problems in terms of traditional allies Australia
41:35
Speaker 15: and America being led by people who've got very different
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Speaker 15: agendas from what would otherwise be traditionally what we'd say,
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Speaker 15: which is defend democracy, defend Taiwan, and stand up to China.
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Speaker 3: Well, Trump, most recently, being asked about Taiwan, said yes,
41:48
Speaker 3: we defend our allies, but we also expect them to
41:52
Speaker 3: cater for their own defense, which raises the situation nick
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Speaker 3: in Taiwan where you've got the opposition continually voting against
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Speaker 3: increased defense spending, so that would seem to be encouraging
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Speaker 3: China and angering Donald Trump, who they certainly need in
42:11
Speaker 3: their corner.
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Speaker 18: It certainly seems very hard to see that Taiwan could
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Speaker 18: stand up to China with China's current state of mineturization
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Speaker 18: and the size of Taiwan. As you say, they've not
42:20
Speaker 18: been investing as much in the military as they should do.
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Speaker 18: They need some support if it comes to that. But
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Speaker 18: I think we know that it's hard to see China
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Speaker 18: going to anything like a conventional war on this, so
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Speaker 18: try to achieve it through other means. Then the question
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Speaker 18: is how strong is America willing to be in standing
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Speaker 18: up to China, and how does it do it. What
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Speaker 18: pressure does it make on China apart from saying cruel
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Speaker 18: words in the United Nations?
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Speaker 3: Indeed, all right, So speaking of Trump, let's go to
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Speaker 3: the US and talk about what's happening in Minnesota. Trump's
42:55
Speaker 3: pulling back some of his federal agents from that state
42:58
Speaker 3: after the second fatal shooting involving ice officers this month,
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Speaker 3: and he's sending his borders Tom Holme and to take
43:06
Speaker 3: direct control. Interesting, the White House is clearly trying to
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Speaker 3: cool down the retric after officials like Christy Nolman and
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Speaker 3: Stephen Miller initially branded the dead protester a domestic terrorist.
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Speaker 3: His White House pres Secretary Caroline Leavitt has.
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Speaker 11: No doubt been selective outrage by the liberal biased media
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Speaker 11: and peaking and choosing victims and highlighting their stories. And
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Speaker 11: as I've said, President Trump does not want any Americans
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Speaker 11: to lose their lives in the streets of America and
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Speaker 11: in American communities across the country. He believes what happened
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Speaker 11: on Saturday is a tragedy.
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Speaker 3: So Cameron, is this Donald Trump just trying to reset
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Speaker 3: things because things have really spiraled out of control in Minnesota.
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Speaker 15: Awful tragedies within the space of a couple of weeks,
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Speaker 15: and especially this latest one. I mean, he was they're
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Speaker 15: defending free speech, using his First Amendment rights to carry
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Speaker 15: legally unarmament that didn't appear to be out and yet
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Speaker 15: he lost his life and he's an icy units. So
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Speaker 15: I think this is very bad news, very bad optics
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Speaker 15: for the White House, which is why Trump's moving and
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Speaker 15: you aren't seeing the same sort of strident language from
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Speaker 15: the leader that you were seen previously.
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Speaker 3: And Nick, there's a fair bit of pushback now withinside
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Speaker 3: the Republican movement.
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Speaker 12: Clearly they believe that the.
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Speaker 3: Tide of public opinion is turning against them, despite the
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Speaker 3: fact the majority of Americans wanted illegal immigrants dealt with.
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Speaker 12: They don't like the way it's happening.
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Speaker 17: Now.
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Speaker 18: You've got to say that Trump has signaled very clearly
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Speaker 18: to people and illegal migration will not be torited. He's
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Speaker 18: done that, He's made that point. But I think the
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Speaker 18: scale of this, the number of officers they've been sending in,
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Speaker 18: and the kind of strong arm tactics they've been using,
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Speaker 18: is maybe a bit of overkill. And I think that,
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Speaker 18: you know, there's a sense that he's pulling back because
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Speaker 18: of that. And the officers on the ground may have
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Speaker 18: got a little bit should we say exuberant.
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Speaker 1: Exuberant are like that? All right?
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Speaker 3: Investment in big solar and wind projects has slumped down
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Speaker 3: about fifty percent last year on twenty twenty four, and
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Speaker 3: that's putting real heat on Labour's twenty thirty targets, which
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Speaker 3: I know Cameron and Nick are both big fans of
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Speaker 3: the numbers suggest we're nowhere near the annual build rate
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Speaker 3: needed even with all the government's schemes and incentives that
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Speaker 3: are on the table. Cameron, what are we read into
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Speaker 3: this slump? Is is it policy uncertainty or are the
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Speaker 3: economics just not stacking up for renewable investors.
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Speaker 2: And we're seeing it on the ground.
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Speaker 15: I mean the Men's government's keeping coal fired power generation
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Speaker 15: open for longer, they're paying for it to stay open.
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Speaker 15: I mean gas is back on the table now. Nick,
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Speaker 15: you and I I think are big nuclear fans as
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Speaker 15: well in terms of that being something which Australia should
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Speaker 15: actually embrace. So no, I mean, I think you know,
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Speaker 15: energy mix with renewables only isn't going to be there.
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Speaker 15: We're going to have to have a blend and we're
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Speaker 15: going to have to have coal and gas for a
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Speaker 15: lot longer than people were expecting.
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Speaker 3: So Nick, all of this tells me that the government's
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Speaker 3: target eighty two percent renewables by twenty four years time.
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Speaker 1: You're laughing.
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Speaker 3: I haven't even finished a question and you're laughing. You
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Speaker 3: know where I'm going. It's completely unrealistic.
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Speaker 18: Look it is they needed to step up to keep
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Speaker 18: on schedule. They need to step up the amount of
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Speaker 18: renewable build by three times the current rate. In fact,
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Speaker 18: it's halved in the last year. Clearly it's not going
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Speaker 18: to happen. And the big problem is finance. No matter
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Speaker 18: how many incentives they throw at it, the capacity Investment
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Speaker 18: scheme and all these other things, taxpayers money basically underwriting
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Speaker 18: these projects, it's still not financially viable. I think we
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Speaker 18: can kiss good by to offshore wind for certain. It's
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Speaker 18: very unlikely that many more wind projects are going to
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Speaker 18: get up. All they're doing now is solar and batteries,
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Speaker 18: and that's small time stuff. It's just impossible, and in
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Speaker 18: the meantime, we're wasting a lot of money.
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Speaker 2: All right, Just.
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Speaker 3: Quickly, before we go to a break, I want to
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Speaker 3: get your quick thoughts on two issues. A, should verning
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Speaker 3: the national flag be banned? And b what do you
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Speaker 3: think of the Northern Territory mandating schools? Have students seen
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Speaker 3: the national anthem? Cameron on those two topics just quickly.
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Speaker 2: Oh, both both are great things.
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Speaker 15: We should be proud of our nation and we shouldn't
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Speaker 15: have flag burners out there.
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Speaker 18: Nick, absolutely don't ask me to recite the second version
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Speaker 18: of the national anthem. By the way, yeah, I think
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Speaker 18: that they're flag burning banning definitely.
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Speaker 3: All right, Cameron and Nick really appreciate your time tonight,
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Speaker 3: Thanks so much. All right, after the break, Caine West
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Speaker 3: apologizes for.
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Speaker 1: His anti semitism.
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Speaker 3: But wait until you hear his excuse. It's an absolute doozy.
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Speaker 3: That's coming up next.
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Speaker 1: All right, welcome back to the program.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 3: I have to say I'm not exactly a Kanye West fan,
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Speaker 3: but I did note in February last year, Kanye West
47:52
Speaker 3: posted a series of messages on Twitter that I have
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Speaker 3: to say didn't exactly help his career. Among other things,
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Speaker 3: the Grammy Award winning singer wrote, and I quote, I'm
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Speaker 3: a Nazi. In another tweet, he wrote this, I love Hitler.
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Speaker 3: And as if all of that wasn't bad enough, he
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Speaker 3: released a song entitled Hail Hitler, and he sold swatstick
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Speaker 3: A T shirts on his website.
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Speaker 1: Well, today, with.
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Speaker 3: His career in free fall, Kanye West took out full
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Speaker 3: page advertisements in newspapers right across the United States. And
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Speaker 3: here's what he did. He blamed his comments can you
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Speaker 3: Believe it? On brain damage? He said in this advertisement
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Speaker 3: in newspapers right across America that he was involved in
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Speaker 3: a car accident twenty five years ago, and this car
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Speaker 3: accident had caused an undiagnosed brain injury that he believes
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Speaker 3: made him by polar and anti Semitic.
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Speaker 1: The defense lawyers at Nuremberg must be.
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Speaker 3: Kicking themselves hearing that excuse. But honestly, I kind of
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Speaker 3: get it. A couple of weeks ago, I banged my
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Speaker 3: head and immediately started drawing up plans to invade Poland
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Speaker 3: it does happen. Oh when I fell off the swings
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Speaker 3: when I was seven. Apologies for fair dodging on the
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Speaker 3: Sydney Metro yesterday. Honestly, Kanye's statement today included this line.
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Speaker 3: He wrote, this is in papers right across the States.
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Speaker 3: I'm not a Nazi or an anti Semite. I love
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Speaker 3: Jewish people fair enough. What his statement didn't include was
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Speaker 3: that he has a new album coming out this Friday.
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Speaker 3: I think that may be more to the point, don't you.
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Speaker 3: That's all I've got time for tonight. I'll be here
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Speaker 3: again tomorrow, but coming up right now, the brilliant Paul
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Speaker 3: Murray