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IFH 858: The Cinematographer’s Secret to Making Actors Trust You with Jared Hess · Indie Film Hustle® - A Filmmaking Podcast

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  Speaker 3: Guest on this show, and I actually met by accident.
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  Speaker 3: I actually reached out to him originally because I thought
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  Speaker 3: he was the Jared Hess from Napoleon Dynamite, and he's
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  Speaker 3: actually another Jared Hess who's a cinematographer. So we still,
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  Speaker 3: you know, we talked, and you know, we agreed to
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  Speaker 3: come on. So you know, Jared is on location in
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  Speaker 3: this interview, So a few segments are going to be
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  Speaker 3: a little noisy, so just bear that in mind, but
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  Speaker 3: it's still very, very audible and without further ado, with
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  Speaker 3: cinematographer Jared Hess.
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  Speaker 4: Jared is a cinematographer based out of Orlando, Florida, and
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  Speaker 4: Jared has worked in the indie film television market for
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  Speaker 4: over ten years and has produced content for such clients
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  Speaker 4: as Bellatour, WE and ESPN. Jared, how's everything going, Buddy
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  Speaker 4: good Man?
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  Speaker 5: Out here in sunny Orlando? So I can't complain about
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  Speaker 5: an eighty degree So another rest of the United States,
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  Speaker 5: happier quota right now.
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  Speaker 4: So it's here in Philadelphia. It's been such a warm winter.
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  Speaker 4: It's been unbelievable.
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  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I've heard that. You know.
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  Speaker 6: I was just out west doing some cheoting also for
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  Speaker 6: the you know, the weather's been great, like h for
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  Speaker 6: the most part, so nobody's getting hit too hard by
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  Speaker 6: snow winner So so you know, uh, you.
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  Speaker 4: Know, Jared, just to begin, you know, the question I
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  Speaker 4: always ask everybody is you know, how did you get started?
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  Speaker 4: You know, you know, and what exact who's your background?
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  Speaker 6: Well, my dad was actually a screenwriter, you know, before
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  Speaker 6: I was born, and he had a business partner, Wayne
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  Speaker 6: Beach and he, you know, my dad went into other things.
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  Speaker 5: Wayne Beach kept going at it.
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  Speaker 6: And he sold a couple of films to Westers Knife
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  Speaker 6: Yard of Quaterer sixteen hundred, and then he directed Vetter
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  Speaker 6: on Slowbird. You know, so I kind of always looked
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  Speaker 6: up to him, and uh, you know, I was always
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  Speaker 6: into doing telling stories.
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  Speaker 5: And thought I was going to be an actor for
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  Speaker 5: a while. When I went to college, I.
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  Speaker 6: Decided to kind of pursue the kind of film element,
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  Speaker 6: doing digital media video production, and then the birth of
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  Speaker 6: the D ninety came out, so I wasn't chasing down
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  Speaker 6: the film stock and running expensive equipment and started making
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  Speaker 6: my own content. I'm doing griller style filmmaking, putting some
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  Speaker 6: short films, and then I started getting picked up, you know,
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  Speaker 6: primarily by ESPN and then uh, Spike Television shooting a
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  Speaker 6: lot of their feature content and what had you So.
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  Speaker 4: So, how did they discover you at first? Did you
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  Speaker 4: send them a real or did they maybe you know,
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  Speaker 4: happen upon your content online.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I worked with a couple of individuals who I'd known.
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  Speaker 6: With and they kept pushing me and kind of exposing
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  Speaker 6: some of the things that I've been shooting, and you know,
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  Speaker 6: I did a couple of short films and I was
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  Speaker 6: always looking to kind of self promote, and know, there
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  Speaker 6: came up a couple opportunities where they needed some people
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  Speaker 6: to d kind of a film style look for some
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  Speaker 6: of the feature content and so kind of created kind
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  Speaker 6: of that niche or fellow into that kind of niche
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  Speaker 6: of kind of doing the film look for you know,
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  Speaker 6: features for different clients, you know, whether it's they're usually
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  Speaker 6: short form. I've done a couple of long you know,
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  Speaker 6: long form hour long projects as well outside of features.
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  Speaker 6: And when I mean features, I meant like, you know,
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  Speaker 6: short form features for you know, different.
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  Speaker 5: Whether it's a fight or you know, big events, those
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  Speaker 5: kind of things.
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  Speaker 6: The story, the backstory and the storylines that are primarily
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  Speaker 6: used without within the actual live event.
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  Speaker 4: So now you know, you got to work with w
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  Speaker 4: w uh you know, So so you know, what what
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  Speaker 4: did you do for them? What did you shoot for them?
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  Speaker 6: Done a couple of you know, the best to do
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  Speaker 6: a couple of different things where I've shooting and g
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  Speaker 6: or do like some of their backstage kind of things.
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  Speaker 6: You know, I really wasn't able to commit to them
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  Speaker 6: because of Bellatur and then now I do Premiere Boxing Championships,
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  Speaker 6: which is two shows on Spike Television.
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  Speaker 5: So you know, I've been on there.
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  Speaker 6: I do a lot of elements in them, almost thirty
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  Speaker 6: weeks with Spikes and then h you know, so I
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  Speaker 6: do a lot of their stuff. Right now, I'm shooting
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  Speaker 6: the project with Hoys Gracie, Ken, Shamrock and Kim both
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  Speaker 6: Slice for the doing an upcoming kind of fights that
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  Speaker 6: they're doing an hour long project with those four guys,
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  Speaker 6: those three guys primarily, you.
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  Speaker 4: Know, and then that that's really cool.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's you know, actually, I'm I'm not really
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  Speaker 6: a violent person at all. It's funny that I actually
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  Speaker 6: end up doing a lot of fighting.
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  Speaker 5: Kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 6: So I've I've kind of become, I guess, the go
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  Speaker 6: to guy when it comes to setting up shoots in
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  Speaker 6: some you know, undesirable locations. But some of these gyms
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  Speaker 6: aren't always the most flattering of places to be.
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  Speaker 5: Setting up a on location shoot. But since I've shot.
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  Speaker 6: In so many of them and become known a lot
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  Speaker 6: to the fighters, some of the more prominent ones that.
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  Speaker 5: I guess you could say I've kind of created a
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  Speaker 5: name in that environment.
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  Speaker 4: So you know, are some of the more popular gyms
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  Speaker 4: are they are like are me in some of like
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  Speaker 4: the rougher neighborhoods, And you know, is that maybe a
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  Speaker 4: challenge of itself.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, Uh, recently, it's funny you mentioned that recently I
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  Speaker 6: have shot in a and it's pretty Uh. I mean, Miami,
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  Speaker 6: Florida has got several locations where you don't want to
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  Speaker 6: be caught after dark. But recently I did a shoot
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  Speaker 6: there and uh, when I was addressing my crew before
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  Speaker 6: we got started, and I mentioned the first thing that
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  Speaker 6: we want to make sure we do not do is
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  Speaker 6: get shot, and that's safety was a number one.
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  Speaker 5: Issue because we were clearly.
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  Speaker 6: Could be considered trespassing into enemy territory. It wasn't a
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  Speaker 6: safe neighborhood by any me. So yeah, I mean recently
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  Speaker 6: I also shot at you know, Mayweather's gym, which uh,
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  Speaker 6: you know may arguably.
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  Speaker 5: Be one of the greater fighters of our lifetime.
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  Speaker 6: And you know, you're going to like locations like that,
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  Speaker 6: and people have shot so many times, dps have left in.
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  Speaker 5: The photo ball.
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  Speaker 6: Sometimes you go into places and they're barely in electricity.
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  Speaker 6: You've got you know, it's you've got a garage door
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  Speaker 6: that opens, so you're often surprised pleasantly or not on
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  Speaker 6: what you're going to walk into, you know.
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  Speaker 4: So you know, on those locations, you know, I guess
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  Speaker 4: you know it. Really the challenge also comes because you
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  Speaker 4: can't do a real tech scout, right, so you basically,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm sure the location scouted, if even there
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  Speaker 4: is one, it's basically probably just them just showing, you know,
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  Speaker 4: taking a photo with their cell phone. You probably somebody
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  Speaker 4: from like you know, an entourage or you know, an
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  Speaker 4: assistant probably taking a photo, right, and then you probably
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  Speaker 4: just that's probably all you get, if even that correct?
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  Speaker 5: Am I correct?
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  Speaker 6: Not? You? Yeah, I mean, yeah, absolutely one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 6: Scouting locations is fantastic, and it's a wonderful Uh it's
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  Speaker 6: a wonderful thing to have if you can get it.
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  Speaker 5: But yeah, you're not.
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  Speaker 6: It's usually the lowest common denominator that's being sent out there,
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  Speaker 6: you know, So it's kind of one of those things
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  Speaker 6: that in the after thought. So a lot of the
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  Speaker 6: times I'll do the research myself and you know, kind
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  Speaker 6: of walking into situations where I'll have to just be ready,
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  Speaker 6: you know, and and uh, you know, kind of rigging
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  Speaker 6: up things and having things set up easy enough where
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  Speaker 6: I can. A lot of times I don't have a
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  Speaker 6: director and I'm producing out there and direc directing myself.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, knowing every element and how to over you know,
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  Speaker 6: to compensate and to use certain things to my advantages.
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  Speaker 5: You know, if you've got you know, we're shooting two
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  Speaker 5: hundred and forty frames.
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  Speaker 6: I've got a guy who's fighting twenty pounds in a
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  Speaker 6: day and a half.
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  Speaker 5: He's not gonna want to sit there.
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  Speaker 6: And work out for me for two hours so and
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  Speaker 6: and be patients while I set up lights. So I've
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  Speaker 6: really got to kind of be ahead of the game
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  Speaker 6: and h and be ready to go and be patient
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  Speaker 6: with these guys.
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  Speaker 5: You know, the number one thing I'll say I think
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  Speaker 5: I have going for.
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  Speaker 6: Me is you know, what I try to tell people
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  Speaker 6: is that you've got to be a really good people person.
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  Speaker 5: Especially interacting with people, and.
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  Speaker 6: You know, showing that you're not stressed, even though you
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  Speaker 6: may be, you'll get the better for the data on things.
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  Speaker 6: And that's what's true. I think with any kind of
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  Speaker 6: on location shoot.
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  Speaker 4: You mentioned not having a director on some of these shoots.
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  Speaker 4: So when you go into you know, to to some
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  Speaker 4: of these shoots, then is basically you just have that
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  Speaker 4: shot list that you want to get and I'm guessing
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  Speaker 4: you know, you're basically that that basically is becoming you know,
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  Speaker 4: you're you're the director then with just a shot list.
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  Speaker 4: Am I correcting that? Yeah?
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  Speaker 6: A lot of the time.
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  Speaker 5: We're working with a certain story elements, you know, so
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  Speaker 5: if if.
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  Speaker 6: You know, we have certain backstory that's provided by you know, uh,
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  Speaker 6: different producers or different pre interviews, so I'll be provided
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  Speaker 6: a lot of that information, so you know, we'll get
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  Speaker 6: certain I'll get certain shots instead of certain things that
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  Speaker 6: will kind of kind of help out and kind of
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  Speaker 6: captivate the story that we're trying to tell. So because
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  Speaker 6: if you know, for shooting, for instance, somebody who's uh,
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  Speaker 6: you know, tried to you know, try to escape Cuba
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  Speaker 6: or something like that, we don't have any footage of
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  Speaker 6: him trying to drive, you know, get on a boat
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  Speaker 6: and come over from Cuba and come to the United States.
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  Speaker 6: And and you know what, we also want to use
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  Speaker 6: original footage as opposed to trying to dive into stock footage,
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  Speaker 6: so you know, trying to recreate kind of emotional elements
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  Speaker 6: that kind of tie in with the story.
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  Speaker 5: It's always you know, not only an obstacle, but it's
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  Speaker 5: it's kind of a.
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  Speaker 6: Fun part because you know, it's a challenge and create
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  Speaker 6: something that's still visually enticing and but also ties into
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  Speaker 6: the story.
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  Speaker 4: You know, very true. You know, you know I've done
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  Speaker 4: some you know, interview segments, not nothing of that caliber
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  Speaker 4: what you're doing, and you know, usually you have that
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  Speaker 4: you're the same question you know, the same questions that
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  Speaker 4: you have to ask the subject and uh, you know,
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  Speaker 4: like like for instance, I put together like an educational
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  Speaker 4: real educational package excuse me for for a couple of universities,
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  Speaker 4: and you know, you have to ask the same questions.
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  Speaker 4: And one of the things that I found was was
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  Speaker 4: that basically, you know, they they want you to. It
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  Speaker 4: starts off, you know, small, like you're just being the videographer,
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  Speaker 4: and then suddenly you know there's so many people having
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  Speaker 4: different say you know, a different saying things that you've
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  Speaker 4: got to you know, sort of please like you know,
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  Speaker 4: five six, seven or eight different people, you know, do
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  Speaker 4: you do you find that is the instance in some
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  Speaker 4: of these cases.
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  Speaker 5: One hundred percent. And you're always trying to please other people,
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  Speaker 5: and not only.
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  Speaker 6: That, you know, you know, uh, some of the things
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  Speaker 6: that I shoot get used on a million different things.
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  Speaker 6: I might be you know, say, hey, this is supposed
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  Speaker 6: to be used in this location, but at any given
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  Speaker 6: point it could be used during the live show, could
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  Speaker 6: be thrown in with promotional stuff. So you're you know,
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  Speaker 6: and then you always get the hey, why didn't you
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  Speaker 6: do this for us? Well, I had no idea it
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  Speaker 6: was going to be used, and that that's not why
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  Speaker 6: I shot it that way. Yeah, I mean you're always
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  Speaker 6: trying to kind of be ahead of the game please people.
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  Speaker 6: Communication you know, is always cue. So yeah, you're always
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  Speaker 6: trying to kind of communicate with what's what's going on.
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  Speaker 6: And then not to mention, you always wanted to make
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  Speaker 6: it look good and how you want to make it look,
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  Speaker 6: you know.
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  Speaker 5: Not just some generic, you know, flat shot of just coverage.
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  Speaker 5: You want it to make it look cool, make it
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  Speaker 5: look like.
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  Speaker 6: It's your own and kind of edgy, you know, and
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  Speaker 6: it look like you really put some production value into it.
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  Speaker 5: And you've got to do that within a budget.
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  Speaker 6: And so yeah, I mean the other thing is it's
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  Speaker 6: always great to have a bunch of hands on set,
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  Speaker 6: but it also can get too many hands and you
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  Speaker 6: got too many people put in their two cents. And
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  Speaker 6: you know, I feel comfortable enough where I can walk
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  Speaker 6: into a gym shoot with a fighter, you know, especially
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  Speaker 6: somebody that I know or account that I know, and
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  Speaker 6: it could be myself and you know a PA and
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  Speaker 6: in a shooter or big have to shoot and some
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  Speaker 6: them to do it.
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  Speaker 5: I'm completely confident that I can get when I need
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  Speaker 5: to get done.
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  Speaker 6: And communicate with the spider because I kind of it
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  Speaker 6: is also just like in anything else, there's kind of
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  Speaker 6: a unspoken rule book of what you're supposed to do
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  Speaker 6: within the gym or within a certain environment, and you
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  Speaker 6: want to kind of make it look like you've been
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  Speaker 6: there before. So once they get the feeling that they
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  Speaker 6: kind of know you or you kind of have that
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  Speaker 6: cred I think you're you know, credit for the doubt.
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  Speaker 6: You know, you'll get the extra twenty minutes to get
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  Speaker 6: some extra stuff. He may you know, that's that fighter
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  Speaker 6: that that you may be able to get some extra
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  Speaker 6: stuff where maybe the initial interview didn't.
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  Speaker 5: Wasn't able to get because he.
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  Speaker 6: Was nervous that you know, he didn't want to relate
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  Speaker 6: that to anybody. But because if you that relationship, now
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  Speaker 6: you've gained some information that hey, this would be a
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  Speaker 6: great storyline to kind of add into the piece.
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  Speaker 5: So and then at the end of the day, you
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  Speaker 5: have a job to do.
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  Speaker 6: It's as a producer that uh you know DP, So
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  Speaker 6: you really got to kind of the guy is just
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  Speaker 6: kind of sitting there.
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  Speaker 5: He's cutting twenty pounds, for instance, and he's just kind
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  Speaker 5: of a lump. You gotta you gotta say, hey, let's
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  Speaker 5: let's get this done. Let's try to sell this fight
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  Speaker 5: and give me, give me all you can.
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  Speaker 6: Give me for you know, fifteen minutes and we'll get
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  Speaker 6: you back to what you do.
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  Speaker 5: Get yourself ready to this fight. Well, let's get people
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  Speaker 5: the watch, you know. So it's a lot of give
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  Speaker 5: and take and.
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  Speaker 6: Uh, you know, at the end of the day, I'm
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  Speaker 6: just trying to make them look good. You know, that's
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  Speaker 6: one thing I try to really do. So it's the talent.
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  Speaker 6: I want him to look good. Then they will be
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  Speaker 6: the ones to say, hey, I want to work with
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  Speaker 6: this guy. He understands me and it makes me look good.
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  Speaker 4: So you know, you know you mentioned being a people
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  Speaker 4: person and how you know important that is. Uh, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I think that is a great point to make because
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  Speaker 4: you know, I've been on set sometimes where you know,
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  Speaker 4: even the director's cinematography or even the director has just
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  Speaker 4: been a complete jerk to everybody, and you know they're yelling,
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  Speaker 4: you know, every everything is yelling at everybody. So you know,
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  Speaker 4: by the end of the day, they're just based gatuning
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  Speaker 4: that guy out.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, it's it's like I said, if things
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  Speaker 6: are gonna go wrong, dude, So if you know I've
• 17:33
  Speaker 6: had fighter, what our notorious or I'm the same fighter,
• 17:38
  Speaker 6: That's what I'm working on right now.
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: But it doesn't matter regardless.
• 17:41
  Speaker 6: Of you're working with, You've got things are gonna go wrong.
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: If some getting a point technically for getting missed, all
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: that kind of stuff.
• 17:51
  Speaker 6: But if they you know, you developed the rapport, maybe
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: not that guy but maybe his buddy or something like that,
• 17:59
  Speaker 6: you you're gonna get the benefit of the doubt. If
• 18:01
  Speaker 6: your tiptoe around him and make him feel awkward, I
• 18:05
  Speaker 6: think it's kind of create an environment that that's not
• 18:10
  Speaker 6: conduced to not only to get your help you out
• 18:13
  Speaker 6: but I think it just creates something like a like
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: a trust a mistrust situation where you just want to
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: create like a really kind of relaxed you want them
• 18:21
  Speaker 6: to be themselves. You know, hey, help me out. I
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: promise I'll make you look good. You want to give
• 18:28
  Speaker 6: them the confidence that you're not there to make him
• 18:31
  Speaker 6: look bad. Ultimately, it's black and white as that sounds,
• 18:35
  Speaker 6: that's really you know, these especially if you're working with
• 18:38
  Speaker 6: somebody who's you know, if you're working with an Albert Poohole,
• 18:43
  Speaker 6: so you're working with the hoist Gracie, you're working with
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: somebody who's always he's got a camera in their face
• 18:48
  Speaker 6: all the time. You want them to kind of develop
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: a trust with you so you know they're Otherwise they're not,
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: they're just gonna be like, Okay, yeah, I'm just gonna
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: give you the same answer I will give everybody else.
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: You want the new answer, you want the new look, you.
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: Want the the thing that somebody else is going to get,
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: you know, and and it comes with you know, I
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: think confidence, knowing what you're doing, being ready, but also
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: kind of developing that personal relationship.
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, that's an excellent point. You know, I
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: always find if you're going to interview somebody basically not
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: if you could, if you can talk to them even
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: through email beforehand, that's a huge bonus. But if you
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: have to meet them the day of which you know,
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: I've been in that situation too, you know, I find that,
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: you know, just talking with them for five to ten minutes,
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: shaking the hand is important, sort of getting that like
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: a physical contact, you know what I mean. They know
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: you're not going to be you know, pretty but basically
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: a jerk, you know. And you know, one thing that
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: I've I've learned is whenever I'm going to interview with
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: a subject, so if whenever I see they're nervous, I
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: usually just roll the camera and and I begin talking
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: to them. And I said, you know, okay, you know,
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: we'll begin, you know, whenever you're.
• 20:01
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• 20:07
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• 20:10
  Speaker 4: So basically I'm just rolling because you know, we're all
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: shooting digital now, so there's no film to be wasting.
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: So you know, I usually roll and just say, you know,
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: whatever you feel comfortable, you know, you can introduce yourself
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: and start talking basically sort of it makes them feel
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: that they're in control of the situation, which some degree
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: they are, but they aren't.
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: If you know what I mean, yeah you wanna yeah,
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: if you if you, if you're you want to make
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: them feel like you're ready, but.
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: You're you know, not necessarily waiting on.
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: Them, but yeah, you want to feel like I mean,
• 20:41
  Speaker 6: I think it's creating an environment where they feel relaxed.
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: If you know, there's there's this sense of anxiety whether
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: they want, may they or not. So if you can
• 20:49
  Speaker 6: kind of nip that in the butt right away, like hey, listen,
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna get out of your way, you know, and
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: and we're gonna get you.
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: We're gonna make you look good. Everything's taking care of,
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: everything's ord and I you know whatever, let's chill.
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: You know, maybe you crack a joke something to kind
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: of humanize yourself because they don't want you think you're
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: a robot and kind of yeah, it's at the end
• 21:12
  Speaker 6: of the day, I feel like I've always been able
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: to get the you know, because you're always gonna get
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: the oh, we need to get that or oh, by
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: the way, So if you develop a personal relationship, you know,
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: you can text or call these guys and just say hey, man,
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: I hate to bother you again, but you know this,
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: uh you know, I really need to grab it for
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: one extra thing. I can't get five more extra minutes
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: of your time, and I rarely have that, you know,
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: that time where the talent is unless unless they're really
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: doing something where they said no, you know you they're like, yeah, man,
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: no problem.
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: Give me, you know, give me an hour. Let's do
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: it right before dinner or something like that. So and
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: you know, like.
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: I said, that's kind of helped me in that avenue,
• 21:57
  Speaker 6: you know where I'm like, okay, yeah, no problem, man,
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: thank you forgiving me your extra time.
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: I'll work around you. You know, I'm in your environment.
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: You're not in my environment. You know that kind of thing.
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, they development never poor is very important.
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: I I agree one hundred percent. You know that that
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: is something that I found over the years as well,
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: you know, and you know, I know you also, you know,
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: as you mentioned before, you work on on films as well,
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: so you know sort of to transition to that. You know,
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: when you're on a film set, obviously you know there
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: is going to be a director, you know, hopefully hopefully
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: right Jared but uh. Yeah, but but if you know
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: you're as you're working on a film set, you know,
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: I I think you know, building that that teamwork and
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: building that trust is sort of key because you know,
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: I've been on film sets where you know, there is
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: no teamwork. Uh, sort of everybody is off on their
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: own little island, so to speak. Sure, and yeah, and
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: you really don't feel like everyone's kind of working together.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: You feel like everyone's working and doing their job, but
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: it's not to do the same goal, if you know
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: what I mean.
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I would say that whenever I have
• 23:06
  Speaker 6: an opportunity to put together guys, or I walk into
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: a situation where you know, whether I'm replacing somebody else
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: or you know, you're you cut everybody's crude already and you're.
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: Kind of brought into you kind of manage the team.
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: Uh you know, you you're you feel kind of like
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: you're walking in enemy territory or something like that.
• 23:31
  Speaker 6: Tell them once again, you know, I always try to
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: nip that in the butt, you know, And if you
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: can get along with everybody and kind of show them
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: that you don't have an agenda, I think that and
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: your agenda is just to do a good job.
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: I think that that whether it takes time more time
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: than other times than not, uh, you know, it seems
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: to kind of work. That's kind of worked for me.
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: Is that, Hey, guys are just you know, not that
• 23:57
  Speaker 6: that's the situation. I understand. I don't know you guys.
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: I'm sure you guys are all talented. Let's do a
• 24:02
  Speaker 6: good job here. There's any confusion, I promise you. Or
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: something goes wrong, you know, I'll stick up for you.
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: We're not here to throw anybody under the bus, you know.
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: Let's just do a good job and get and and
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: make this look good and kind of go over what
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: we what you can and the alloted time because it's
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: never enough time, you know that.
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: So yeah, it's always time and money, right, Jared.
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: Oh are you kidding me?
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm learning more and more as I do things
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: to keep asking for even more time than I'm giving
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: because there's always the olde by the way, and there's
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: always the uh you know, I've changed my mind, you know.
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: So, And is as much as you want to get
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: aggravated and get angry, it's just but it doesn't really help,
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: you know.
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: You just want me to get on and and hope
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: the guys that are around you, I can can I
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: have the same mindset and a ready for it as well.
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I I I find that, you know,
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: the shooting schedules where you know you're working like sixteen
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: eighteen twenty hour days and you know you're trying to
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: mush all of this shooting schedule into a very short window.
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: I found that, you know, over the years that not
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: only I think is that, well, I just feel that
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: that's not the right way anymore. And I think more
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: more filmmakers, more indie filmmakers are coming to their to
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: their senses that you know, we don't have to emulate
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: the big guys and and shoot you know, an entire
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: script and you know this little tiny window if we can,
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: let's get a little more breathing room in here, and
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: you know, that way, we're not you know, burning ourselves
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: out within the first week. I mean, is that something
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: you're finding out as well?
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's you know, it's stretching. It just depends I
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: think where the lines are drawn as far as what
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: you are and aren't doing, you know, especially in regards
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: to budgeting and that kind of thing. You know, you've
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: got a lot if everything is laid out and everybody
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: and everything is very transparent and you kind of see
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: from beginning to end all the you know ab CD.
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: You know, everything's light out, pre production is done.
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: You should be pretty ready right on pace, and you're
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: not really kind of burning yourself out. But as you know, uh,
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: that never happened, so you you know, but that's cool,
• 26:24
  Speaker 6: and uh, you know, for the most part, that's kind
• 26:28
  Speaker 6: of what I was brought along in that hemisphere.
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: So it's it's not comfortable for me. It's not the
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: most ideal situation, but I.
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: Excel at it, and uh, you know, let's at the
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: end of the day, you know, I still still get
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: the job done. I get it the way I want
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: it to look, and I think that's which counts.
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: And so yeah, telling a good story, right, that's what
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: you're there to do. So yeah, exactly.
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: And you know that's actually one of my next questions
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: for you was, you know, you know, what advice would
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: you give to directors who who work with cinematographers. You know,
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: maybe there's something they do that you know, is grading
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: on cinematographers or some directors, or you know, maybe they're
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: they're sometimes they're not clear enough. So you know, if
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: you you know, what advice would you give to directors
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: when they're working with cinematographers.
• 27:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I think number one. You know, if
• 27:26
  Speaker 6: you bring in a cinematographer and where you do a
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: good job, you know, you look at their work you said, Wow,
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: this guy's good, and you brought them in to do something.
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: I think you just trust them with it, you know,
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: especially I turned on to carry an ego with me,
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: so I can't you know, I don't know if that's
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: a good or bad thing sometimes, but you know, go in,
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: just try to do a good job and and.
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: Once again develop orrapport with you're a director.
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: And see how he liked to you know, and get
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: on the same page with him, and and really do
• 28:04
  Speaker 6: as much pre production if humanly possible, so you when
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: you walk in it it's something that you're you're ready,
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: You're ready to go. You know exactly how you want
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: it to look that matches up with the end product,
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: and so that when they're going through daily they're looking
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: for it.
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: Hey, I think it shortened your days, you know.
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: I think at the end of the time, at the
• 28:25
  Speaker 6: end of the day too, keeps them on budget. Because
• 28:28
  Speaker 6: you're not sitting there sweaking with things consistently or doing
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: pickups and that kind of thing.
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: And uh yeah, I mean number one thing, it's just trusting.
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 28:37
  Speaker 6: Really, if you bring in somebody to do a job
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: and you see and you or or you know, you've
• 28:43
  Speaker 6: worked with them in the past, it's just trusting their
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: their eye and and that they're going to be there
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: and do.
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: What you, uh I want them to do. Actually, they've
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: got a director here calling me. Now you line, do
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: you take it? I can call him back here in
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: a moment. Are we almost wrapping up here?
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: Uh yeah, probably like three minutes a couple, is that?
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: Uh so, you know, uh you know, is there any
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: advice then you have for first time cinematographers.
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: I mean, uh yeah, I would say, you know, you know,
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: developed develop relationships with with.
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: With people in the business. You know, networking is always great.
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: You know. I think doing.
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: Things the right way the first time and getting off
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: on that that foot in regards to you know, showing
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: what you can do but not stepping on people's toes
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: kind of give you because you're going to develop a
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: reputation one way or another, so it might as well
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: be a good reputation.
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: You know, and you know, making things look scratch, you know,
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: scratch that itch man.
• 29:52
  Speaker 6: You know, that's the one thing I started doing was
• 29:54
  Speaker 6: I was like, man, this looks so great.
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: How do I do this? And how can I do this?
• 30:00
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• 30:06
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• 30:09
  Speaker 5: Uh, with what I have? You know, how can I
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: attain this look? With what what I have to use?
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: And you know, trying to recreate certain looks and certain
• 30:22
  Speaker 6: ways of shooting and always trying to.
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: You know, change things up, so it's not always the repeat.
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: You know, it's not not everything you do is the same,
• 30:33
  Speaker 6: you know, because I think everybody who's picking up a
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: camera and is trying to be a TP is really
• 30:38
  Speaker 6: just uh, you know, it's really just uh, it's an
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: outlet for creativity, you know.
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: So that outlet of creativity.
• 30:45
  Speaker 6: You're trying to always come up with new looks. You
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: may not be the first person to do that, but
• 30:52
  Speaker 6: it's always a I think it's self satisfying when you
• 30:56
  Speaker 6: are able to accomplish something that you know, you pull
• 31:01
  Speaker 6: off a look that you're like, man, I I.
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: Wanted to look this way. I've got my mind's eyes
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: got it.
• 31:08
  Speaker 6: And when you when it's in the can and everything
• 31:11
  Speaker 6: looks just the way you want it to be and
• 31:14
  Speaker 6: the delivery was right there, you know, you get that
• 31:17
  Speaker 6: that self joy and if you're able to do it
• 31:20
  Speaker 6: the right way without stepping on his and hurst toes
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: and you know, pissing off this guy and that guy.
• 31:27
  Speaker 6: You know, I think that that's really it's really cool,
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: really cool moment that I have. It's like, hey, Victor
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: was happy, the producer is happy that, you know, the
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: talent loves working with me.
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: You know, the PA was happy just to be there.
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: You know that kind of thing when everybody just like
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: I love being there and you kind of helped be
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: a part of it. And then you.
• 31:55
  Speaker 6: Also get that that end project that looks fantastic.
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: It's really gratifying.
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, I concur you know, it really
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: is great when everyone sort of uh you know, comes together.
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: You know, I just to I know, you have to go,
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: so just just to sort of close this out, you know,
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: I recently was on a I was working with m
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: Night Shamlan's producer Okay, and we got to go to
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: this post production house and it was a beautiful theater,
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: and the guy who works there was saying, you know
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: that the track lighting that they use on the floor
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: there those floor lights, he said. As soon as they
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: started screening footage of another movie, the director's cinematography was like,
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: wait a minute, he goes, this color is off down
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: in the bottom left here, What the hell is going on?
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: And then he turned off the lights and now it's
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: like pitch black except for the screen. And the director
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: photography was like, okay, now this is now, this looks good.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: I remember this looking like this now, and you know,
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: and everyone's sort of you know, uh, you know obviously
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: you know, some people I probably wouldn't even notice that,
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: but obviously you know he did, because you know he
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: has that I.
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: He tells her, all is something that you're you're especially
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: you know you're looking now. It's even more difficult, I think,
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: because you have.
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: You know, everybody is shooting.
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: You're shooting constantly because it's cheap, and you don't have
• 33:15
  Speaker 6: your money's not quitting Charantino, so i't have yet the
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: ability to.
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: Shoot on film.
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: So uh, you're just constantly shooting because it's cheap. You
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: can just take another director maybe watching them this monitor,
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: you know, so if they're not calibrated correctly, who knows
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: what they're seeing? You know, who knows what they're Maybe
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: they're looking at as the raw without a lut dropped
• 33:39
  Speaker 6: in and you're just you know, you're looking at nonsense essentially.
• 33:42
  Speaker 6: So yeah, there's it's it's it's an interesting thing where
• 33:49
  Speaker 6: you never know who's going to be looking at it
• 33:51
  Speaker 6: and where they're going to be looking at it, and
• 33:54
  Speaker 6: uh and what lightings you know set up.
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: Are they sitting there a dark room, they sit in
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: a light room with it looking at a been monitor.
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: Are they looking at its twenty four K monitor? They're
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: looking at it oled you know.
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: So it's that's another thing I would say, especially with
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: the old thing, that's that's dp's best friend, is an
• 34:14
  Speaker 6: no lead monitor if you can have one on set
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: at all times. That was just doing that because then
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: you know exactly what you're seeing and at.
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: The end of the day.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that that post production house recommended that as well,
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: because they actually had their workflow recommendation and that was
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: on there the monitor.
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, yeah.
• 34:36
  Speaker 6: An O lead monitor is it's especially for running gun stuff.
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: You're walking into floors and you're woke it into uh
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: you know.
• 34:46
  Speaker 6: Jeff who knows you and you're trying to set up
• 34:50
  Speaker 6: you want to make sure that you've got one of
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: those on on site because there's a couple of them
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: out there. The Odify now has one where you can
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: uh drop on a lot and match it up, so
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: it's pretty close to what your editor is going to
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: be looking at, or your colors is going to be
• 35:11
  Speaker 6: kind of looking at, so uh, you know, correct your
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: blacks and and those kind of things, which is just,
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: I mean, just incredible to have on site. You're not
• 35:22
  Speaker 6: guessing and hoping that the guy you know, the colors
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: decides to go this way.
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: Or that way.
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: It's it's just I mean, I can't tell you how
• 35:31
  Speaker 6: much that saved me and saved my probably my careers.
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: You're having one of those on on site at all times.
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: You know, it.
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: Is not as the able to see you close to
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: end product on especially low budget type stuff.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: So yeah, that's you know again, like one of the
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: things they were saying was, you know again like these cinematographers,
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: they always tell them how important that the the that
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: particular monitor is. So listening to this, I'll make sure
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: to link to it in the show notes. The monitor
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: we're talking about, Jared. You know, I know you have
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: to go, so you know in closing, you know where
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: you'll find you out online.
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: You can check out jared as video dot com. I
• 36:14
  Speaker 6: also do I'm doing the new show with for Bellator
• 36:18
  Speaker 6: for the upcoming fight of February nineteenth with Gracie and Shamrock,
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: so you can check out my work there.
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: The show will be released the leak prior. Yeah, and
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: I'm actually doing some stuff this week for ESPN Soil.
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: We're doing a couple of bowl Gang type stuff. So yeah,
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: I'm all over the place.
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: I haven't Yeah, I would stop working since the tenth
• 36:41
  Speaker 6: So so you're on Twitter as well, right, Yeah, Twitter
• 36:45
  Speaker 6: Jared hat Dero six and Instagram is Jared's zero six
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: as well, but it's usually just basis of my son, so.
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: I will link all that in the show notes. Everybody, Jared,
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: I want to say thank you very much for coming on.
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: Hey, thanks thanks for having me man, good talking.
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: Good talking to you too, buddy, Take care are YouTube.
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: Bye.
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