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Talks to Dave Rennie, Daniel Knight & Lucy McCaul about their choice of The Enemy of the World (3/6) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  I have to say though, that his mobility scooter advert is
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  absolutely the stuff of nightmares.
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  Oh, don't. Where's that?
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  I've not seen that. Have you not seen?
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  No, I'll put all those. I'll find it on YouTube and send
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  it to you. It's really, really.
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  It's so strange. I mean, there's nothing he does
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  that I don't. Think it's blissful?
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  Yeah, it's just, it's it's just so because he's doing the voice
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  over as if he's narrating a historical documentary.
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  So there is Paul Darrow on a mobility scooter.
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  No reason why he shouldn't be, except it's Paul Darrow so of
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  course he shouldn't be on a mobility.
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  Trouble is now every time because I'm a first aider at
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  work, so every. Time there's a medical verge
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  deal or an incident, I just go, you know?
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  Someone call the police. Why are you talking?
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  Like that, as long as you don't say your wife has been murdered,
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  you'll be fine. I did get to say the other day I
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  was strictly come hamster. Some people depart strictly come
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  hamster with a scream, right? Who's going to intro free then?
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  Dave, Are you happy to do it? Yeah, if you want.
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  Yeah, you. Remember what you got to say,
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  right? Yes, and should be starting this
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  with hello, welcome to a kettle and a piece of string.
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  OK. I want a bit more.
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  Oh no, cool, actually do it. We're sending.
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  You the Paul Darrow. Fuse the.
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  Hell out of people. Oh, OK, hang on, let's have a
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  quick look before we go in. Is it on the I'm?
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  Just putting. It in Oh yeah, I got it.
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  I got it, Yeah. Oh no, Already it looks a bit
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  crazy. It's just fabulous.
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  So it's just more important that.
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  Those who aren't quite as mobile as they once were should enjoy
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  the freedom and independence when they want, when they want.
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  It's just like a cheese dream, it's really.
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  Active and their range of easy to drive mobility.
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  Visuals. There's never been a better time
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  to buy with Forever Active's Amazing 2.
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  For one. Offer.
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  With this enterprise market. You'll get this extra.
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  It's so. Sinister mini shuttle absolutely
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  free. It's easy to.
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  Think he's selling the shoes? It just sounds.
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  So like he's. Taking the piss, he's.
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  So sinister though. Isn't it just I saw I was
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  watching a game recently the Tom Baker outtake it's on him
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  YouTube when he's he was doing the voice over for Symphony 08.
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  1085 Eighty 545. 8080 Five 85. 40.
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  For a free home demonstration of him, no thank you.
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  Hamster with a blunt. Pen knife for doing quicker
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  quicker. Welcome back to Hamster with a
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  blunt pen Knife, The Doctor Who Commentary podcast.
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  Not commentaries. Fraser, Sorry.
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  And we're here. I'm here.
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  I'm Dave with King Hamster Joe Force.
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  Hello, Joe. Hello there.
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  I'm here. I'm having a wonderful time.
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  Thank you. And Lucy Mccall's here as well.
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  Say hello, Lucy. Hello.
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  And the dishing Daniel Knight. Fishing.
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  What am I dishing? Out.
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  Hello. Yes, sorry, yes, sorry.
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  I'm trying to find a clip of Paul de Arrow.
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  He. Don't know what to do with a.
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  Compliment. All right, Lucy, Can I?
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  Say I'll tell you what, you deliver your opinion with so
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  much passion, and yet whenever you say hello at the start of an
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  episode, you sound so mousy. What can I?
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  Say, I think you lull us all into your false sense of
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  security. And then when our defences are
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  down, Wham. I just get carried away.
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  That's wonderful. Never stop.
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  Absolutely, yeah. Oh, sorry.
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  Come on, back to you. Oh, that.
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  Carry on. Yeah, come on.
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  This is yours. Podcast Joe.
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  Yeah. I can't be obvious, if I'm
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  honest. Go on, off you go.
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  Oh well, between episodes we've been talking about Paul Darrow
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  and his wonderful performances, but unfortunately the story
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  we're watching at the moment hasn't got Paul Darrow in it
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  now. Well, you just.
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  Do the line. Though very very quickly.
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  Go on. Do the line.
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  What D Paul Darrow in? No, the one from the advert, the
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  one from the crime program. My wife has been murdered.
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  Someone called the police. But we're watching Enemy of the
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  World, we're up to Episode V and we're very much enjoying
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  ourselves. And we're going to see a certain
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  cook and some cut, cuddly, culinary, can't even see it
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  cooking sort of scenes in this one.
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  And we'll see what happens next. My mother was right what she
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  wanted me to be a dustman. Isn't that what he says?
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  I love him so much. Well, someone count us in, OK?
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  After you, Lucy. OK, so in 5432?
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  1. Go.
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  Is it just an excuse to give Victoria something to do,
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  getting her in that kitchen? Possibly.
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  I mean, it does she, she, what would she be doing otherwise?
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  Hanging around with Giles Kent? That's not ideal and and she
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  wouldn't be running around with Astrid doing action stuff.
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  But it also it gives her a chance to sort of grow a bit as
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  a character too. Because it kind of first of all,
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  it exposes the fact that she comes from a privileged
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  background. Again, in case we'd forgotten,
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  because she doesn't really know anything about cooking, she just
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  knows about eating, you know, So when they ask her for a recipe,
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  it's like always, I think it had this in it and I think, you
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  know, we had this lovely pudding that would.
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  You just sort of. Whoosh it all out together.
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  Yeah, yeah. So she doesn't really know.
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  It's so she isn't, she clearly isn't who she says she is in
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  that in working in the kitchen. But sorry, I was distracted by
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  the zips. Am I, am I saying that Jamie's
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  appeared in this The wet suit between the episodes?
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  We don't vote with song, go in it.
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  He's changed. He's changed.
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  Yeah, since we. Yeah, he hasn't changed.
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  Doesn't he? Yeah, I wonder if the the
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  dissatisfaction with this episode when the other 5 didn't
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  exist was there. There's no reap, reprise or
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  reprise depending on how you pronounce it to episode 2.
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  It just goes straight in to to the first scene.
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  There's no yeah. So we don't get anything from
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  episode 2, which is sort of sometimes that's sort of like a
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  little bit of a bonus or we get a little bit of episode 2 at the
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  end of at the beginning of the first episode.
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  And I it's, but it's straight into, you know, Dennis being
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  arrested. That is the cheapest and least
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  well concealed wall safe I've ever seen in my life.
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  Look at it, you can tell it's there.
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  I don't think he closes it properly.
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  I seem to remember my parents, this is back in the 70s, had
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  bathroom tiles like that wallpaper.
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  It was the absolutely the worst thing to look at if you were
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  feeling ill. 60s and 70s had a lot to answer for.
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  Oh, the 70s, when everything that wasn't brown was orange and
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  everything that wasn't orange was brown.
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  You know what, Rob? We moved my uncle out of his
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  flat that he's had since 71, right about 3 years ago, and the
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  wallpaper was still these enormous brown and orange floral
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  prints. I was like, how have you put up
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  with that for 40 years? After a while it just.
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  It's just what it is. It's just there.
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  If it was new you'd notice it, but.
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  That's true. It was hideous though.
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  Garish was probably the worst I. Remember Deb and I, when we,
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  when we moved to where we are now, we were looking at various
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  houses. There was one house which the,
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  the, the kitchen was sort of very, sort of old fashioned
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  woods panelling with brown. And it was was like stepping
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  into, you know, Delia Smith's kitchen from 1975.
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  Oh, just what's your Jamie, Your, your, your guard has just
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  turned up. Oh.
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  Yanish. Yes, you.
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  Know Yes. Do you know which episode of
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  Blake 7 he wrote? Wrote you wrote.
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  Yeah. Did he?
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  It's telling Bill Lyons is the actor's name was.
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  It a banger. It depends on your point of
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  view. Well, which episode was it?
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  I know you've got to guess. Come on, there's only thing.
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  Oh, I. Never wrote the worst one.
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  Volcano He. Didn't write.
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  He didn't write the worst one. No.
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  No in season D. Oh, I like a lot.
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  Not star drive. No, that was James.
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  No, no, it's not star Drive. No, not animals.
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  Not animals, no, that's. True, it's not Albee because
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  that's Robert Holmes. Is it the second to last one?
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  No. Oh, it's gone.
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  Tell me I've not headhunter. No.
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  Oh. My God, no, I've I'm out of.
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  Options think Oh I was going to say this.
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  The episode features location used in Doctor Who a couple of
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  times and also in Andor the the new the recent Star Wars series.
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  No, I'm none the wiser. I don't think.
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  What do you think? This is the quiz of Russell on.
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  Look and the chef's arrived. And.
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  We just take Jamie. We just.
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  Take Jamie telling Bruce that he had better things to do than
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  answer his questions as well. Which was?
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  Quite a moment I'm. Sorry, that's.
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  The same know. What episode it was?
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  Games. Games.
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  Oh no, Oh no, That's quite a good one.
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  Yeah. What did you have for jobs?
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  And also the guy who plays the president in Caves Vandrossani.
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  Yeah, there's fabulous scenes with Jacqueline Pearce and that
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  other lady in the quarry watching all the games.
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  Is that right? Was that assassin?
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  No, that's assassin. That's that's.
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  Amazing. Do you remember?
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  Cancel the assassin. Oh, she's hilarious.
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  She's she's terrible. She died brilliant.
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  Oh, sorry, I've only. Talked a couple of months ago
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  and. I'm talking about it.
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  We we always said about how wonderful the chef is, and we're
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  talking about Blake 7 while he's on it.
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  Could be worse. We could have rats gnawing the
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  gas pump. We'll write out the menus.
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  Sorry, I'm doing a Matthew Walls house and quoting the the lines
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  on the commentary. Do you guys want to do something
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  useful? We'll sit down and write.
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  Out those menus now. Then cause affected by
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  earthquakes. This is too.
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  I'm going for a walk. It'll probably rain.
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  But it does give everyone a bit of comedy as well.
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  He's only in this episode, isn't he?
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  Yeah, First course interrupted by bomb explosion.
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  Second course affected by earthquakes.
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  Oh this is great with Faria telling to Victoria.
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  Just get out of here. Yeah.
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  Don't get stuck here like I am. And they all think that Jamie's
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  Victoria's boyfriend come for a bit of nookie on his break.
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  Yes, that's it, she's saying. Don't.
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  But I suppose they've been said in Hamlet to find out whether
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  Salamander is as evil as they're all saying is, and they're
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  convinced. So then they'll go back and tell
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  the doctor and then he'll get involved.
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  But it's so weird to not have Doctor involved.
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  In other it would be the other way around.
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  The Doctor goes to investigate and the companions are left
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  waiting. But here, yeah, it's the other
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  way around. Through.
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  Sort of casting necessity. But.
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  Also potentially if you're going to make it sort of a plot point,
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  if he doesn't trust, I think he trusts Astrid more or less, but
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  he certainly doesn't trust Charles Kent.
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  Would he want to leave Victoria and Jamie with him?
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  I I know it's because of the the nature of the plot and them
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  having to play the same character, but if you're going
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  to make it into sort of dramatically sound.
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  Although is this a better option leaving her in Salamander's
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  lair? Well, I don't know.
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  Yeah. All they're watching.
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  Is the footage again? Oh yeah, yeah, now.
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  Jamie's explaining what's what's going to happen and he's right
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  on it. He's he knows this is how, this
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  is how it works with power struggles.
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  He's explaining precisely. This is the pre titles of every
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  single episode of Inferno. In Season 7 that you, you
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  replace a, you replace a stronger man with a weaker 1 and
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  then use him. And so he, he knows, he knows
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  how it works, he knows what's happening.
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  And we just missed the the book about travel as well.
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  Yeah, that's that's what passed out, but.
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  Yeah. And also Bruce starting to turn
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  a little bit and saying that he wants that he thinks he should
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  be treated with the the prisoner should be treated with dignity
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  and not held in the corridor. So he's he's starting to kick a
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  little bit as well. Be an exhibit of his big moment
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  in a minute where he's comes in with the garden, acts like he
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  owns the place. Oh really?
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  From the old days? The picture.
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  Why has he got a picture of yourself on the wall?
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  Where's? He goes.
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  There isn't much. From myself, from, you know,
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  when I got my degree. It's probably vanity.
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  Sorry. To to be fair, I'm just looking
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  at my own house and thinking I've got a couple of.
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  You know what, given how many fucking selfies I'll post
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  online, there's got a single. Picture of me anywhere.
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  No, I haven't got. I haven't got any up.
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  I've got Jodie Whisker on the wall.
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  I've beat the beat. That well.
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  Yeah, a sort of gentle and Hyde character, perhaps, are Mr.
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  Salamander. And he has to go into a box.
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  I was made out to be the criminal, but so he's all the
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  time the the doctor is thinking about.
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  He's not thinking about Salamander, he's thinking about
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  Kent. And.
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  What does he gain from this? And who is this man and what's
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  going? What's really going on?
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  I agree with the doctor here as well.
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  I hate seeing all this crockery being smashed up.
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  Yes, senseless waste. There's plenty of air in here.
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  Yes, yes. Yes, there's a perfect view of
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  the research centre from here. A relic from the old days.
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  Oh, don't you love our camp? He is when he goes.
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  What's it? Well, there's not much point in
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  you staying here now, is there? That's enough.
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  Don't know even. Does he smash the plate?
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  The guard even then puts the body's gun down just to keep it
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  in tiny little bits. Just to really emphasize.
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  Yeah, I can do that. There's definitely a difference
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  between sort of funny camp and sinister camp, isn't there?
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  Yes, and he manages to tread that line.
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  So he's funny, but he's also really scary.
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  Yeah, he's nasty. He's Yeah, he's really nasty
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  under the surface. And also when Bruce was talking
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  to him about Salamander. I've just spoken to Salamander.
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  He wasn't sure, was he? He was, yeah.
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  But what? What was this?
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  I should know about this. Nobody told me.
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  All just in the eyes in that moment.
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  He's got. The hands on the hips as well,
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  just. Yeah, and more important, I've
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  got the hands on the hips. Yeah.
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  Put your left foot in, your left foot out.
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  What's his collar about? Oh man, he can pull it off.
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  Proofs. Has got, they've all got sort of
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  collars. It's sort of like a design.
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  There's shiny collar, just make some.
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  It's the the the future. The future in shiny collars.
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  After all, guys, nobody will believe you, will they?
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  OK, please stop, Nacho, you're creeping.
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  Yeah. Sorry, sorry.
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  He wants to destroy the world. This kid, why don't you believe
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  me? Because.
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  I am, at this this point, going doctor.
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  Ketchup. He's going unpleasant, yes, but
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  not necessarily evil. Oh.
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  For God's sakes. Get on with it man.
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  I have to say, I mean bilker, I've only ever seen him really
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  in or heard him in Hancock's half hour.
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  And this is a this is performance is a performance.
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  There's nothing like that. So again, Barry Lex is getting
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  some really strong performances out of these really good actors.
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  And again, it's like they're getting a comedy, an actor known
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  for comedy in to do Doctor Who. They still give a very good
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  performance. This is our dart again.
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  The doctors are talking. About people having nice things
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  and other people break them and you're not sure who he's talking
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  about there. You like wine?
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  We drink wine together tonight. Charm.
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  What doesn't it? Be like somebody I work with.
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  Hey does. Yeah.
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  Where is it you work exactly? You got his number, Daniel.
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  He's not available. Oh.
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  Damn, fair enough. Look at.
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  Look at. Denish cocktishly reading his
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  book. This the same main guard that
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  she's given the notes to that he only appeared Julie This he only
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  appeared in this episode as well I.
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  Think so. Yeah.
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  I mean, it is a placeholder reference.
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  Is this all filler? I think it does move the plot
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  along a bit because you've got rising tension between
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  Salamander's people and Kent. You've got Kent still trying,
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  you've got the doctor apparently not convinced, you've got an
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  escape attempt, which won't work, but you know, nice try.
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  And you've got further proof of Astrid being really brave as
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  well, because she's and also you've got Victoria being told
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  to get out of there. I think if this is filler, it's
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  just stuff full of great character moments, so I don't
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  care, you know? And I like these characters.
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  He's back, the cook. Now we're a travel agency.
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  I've met you. Before What's wrong?
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  It's about to be something serious.
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  Was it taste like terrible, terrible.
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  I'm going to get the sack tonight.
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  I am. I love it.
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  What is it? It says you don't cook like you.
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  I hope. Good.
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  It's Jamie's back in his civvies again, for he's adding.
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  Up with the uniform, his serviette stuck in it, or
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  napkins stuck in his, like a little kid.
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  Yeah, of course. Maybe they'll shoot me so I
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  won't have to worry anymore. It's great.
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  Come all I say, how's the food? Terrible.
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  Terrible. I mean, I do know people.
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  They're cynical and they're a bit annoying, but on the TV it's
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  very funny. Yeah.
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  No, the firing squad would piss me.
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  It's ready, such as it is. Oh this is great where Faria
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  loses her shit. She just a little explodes,
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  doesn't she? Yeah.
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  But she's got like a warmth with Griff, hasn't she?
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  Yes, yeah. I think as she knows how to get
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  the best out of him, she's still there's.
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  There's obviously a good relationship there that she
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  knows how to calm him down and how to keep him sort of under
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  control. It's quite, it's quite a grown
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  up sort of relationship in a, in a way that it's you have people,
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  you know, it's like Katie Manning used to be able to, to
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  deflate John Perk with his temper with everybody.
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  You know, he'd be able to, she'd be able to calm him down and.
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  Yes, and now she's telling them why and what she's not telling
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  them because she cuts off at that bit.
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  But she's like, well, why do you go with him?
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  Sometimes we have to do what we don't want to do.
• 21:14
  Salamone such a. Bullshitter, isn't it?
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  I warned him about the earthquakes.
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  He could have saved those people.
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  Whatever. Yeah, yeah.
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  I mean, we're supposed to loathe them.
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  Aren't. We.
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  Oh yeah, absolutely. And he's a, he's a, he's a, it's
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  protection money. It's like that's what it is,
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  isn't it? Oh nice country be shamed if
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  something happened to it kind of thing.
• 21:36
  But I, I think that's where the Bond villain thing comes from,
• 21:38
  isn't it? In the fact that he's causing
• 21:40
  natural disasters, You know, he's doing it on such a scale,
• 21:43
  yes. He is like a Bond villain.
• 21:45
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But.
• 21:47
  That wasn't that he's a cock fed in it.
• 21:50
  That's all here. What's great about it is then we
• 21:53
  get to go underground and see what is causing the earthquakes.
• 21:57
  Yes, I think he uses the extra episodes well.
• 22:02
  That's fabulous. Episode 4 of us about 5 minutes
• 22:04
  is just seen trout and going from a room and then down a big
• 22:08
  giant. With really spooky stop music.
• 22:14
  Oh no, no, Victoria, don't, don't go and get the salt.
• 22:17
  So there, he just nicked it. The Weasel.
• 22:21
  Yeah, I think that my head is I'm I've never got the the gun
• 22:24
  digging, no. He's he's poisoning the Federer.
• 22:27
  He's now poisoning poisoning the.
• 22:31
  So he's thinking of, he's thinking of, Yeah, he's
• 22:33
  contemplating it, isn't he? I don't even know.
• 22:37
  There's not all action. There's sort of plots and double
• 22:39
  plots figuring things out, you know?
• 22:42
  Yes, and now Astrid. Astrid's cover is being blown
• 22:47
  because the guard remembered seeing her in the park with
• 22:50
  Jamie and Victoria. Victoria's great in a minute as
• 22:53
  well. When the shit is the fat.
• 22:55
  She grabs that trolley, doesn't she?
• 22:56
  And shoves it. Into the girls.
• 22:58
  Yeah, she is. She's really, she's starting to
• 23:00
  show sort of ingenuity. But it's brutal as well because
• 23:04
  he gets shot in the back, Dennis.
• 23:07
  It's a very quick death. Yeah, for a character that's
• 23:11
  been in it for 2 1/2 episodes. It's a long time since I had my
• 23:16
  food cut up for me. How?
• 23:20
  Am I supposed to eat steak with a spoon?
• 23:23
  He's crying. I mean, it's the.
• 23:25
  Smallest best steak I've ever seen in my life is.
• 23:28
  That. What they call a la carte.
• 23:33
  I believe they are quite small portions.
• 23:37
  Nouvelle cuisine, I think it's. One of those restaurants where
• 23:40
  the prices are big and the menu and the portions are small.
• 23:46
  See, look at that. She gets she has to just say
• 23:48
  yes, Sir, right? And she could just say she goes
• 23:51
  yes and she goes after like sake defiant.
• 23:56
  She's got so much personality. Such a shame we lose her.
• 24:00
  I'll be glad of your company, but if you're glad, forgive me.
• 24:02
  I'm really glad of her. Yeah, sorry Griff, that meal
• 24:08
  looks miserable. Oh, this is great.
• 24:11
  Further than, you know, just crumbling and saying I couldn't
• 24:16
  do it, this powder, I couldn't kill someone, that he just goes,
• 24:20
  you know, don't worry about it. One chance, my friend, I said
• 24:24
  one. Chance.
• 24:24
  It's sort of like a very sinister smile.
• 24:29
  Yeah. And he was testing him to see if
• 24:31
  he could. But.
• 24:32
  Now he knows that he's unreliable as well.
• 24:36
  Doesn't fire this guy up so then he just poises him.
• 24:44
  You're up, we find another way. Of course you did.
• 24:49
  I love it. So crazy.
• 24:52
  And he's def as very swift. Yes.
• 24:58
  Wow, yeah. He's been weighed in the balance
• 25:01
  and found wanting to come from somewhere else.
• 25:04
  I never know that Alaska did wine.
• 25:07
  They do now in 2018. Give it a couple more years.
• 25:13
  A sort of super villain. Poison as immediate effects.
• 25:16
  Yes, some do. Yeah.
• 25:19
  I hope you would appreciate this wine, yeah.
• 25:24
  Don't you go Oh. Yeah, what a pity.
• 25:25
  Suicide, of course. Yeah.
• 25:30
  He's a terror, isn't he? Yeah.
• 25:35
  I swear he goes under the eye. He's under the table now with
• 25:38
  the cook. I keep forgetting his name.
• 25:41
  Griff Griffith. Yeah.
• 25:43
  Is it about the end to a perfect day?
• 25:45
  I know the food's bad, but you don't have to go that far back.
• 25:56
  Back All right, how about your own way?
• 25:57
  Yeah, wake up. But it also shows that that
• 26:02
  there are people who work for Salamander, sort of
• 26:06
  tangentially, who are just people.
• 26:10
  Yeah, they're all affected by. And they they are.
• 26:13
  Yes, he's working for a terrible, terrible man as a
• 26:15
  cook. That's a bit sort of clumsily
• 26:19
  edited. You go straight from Victoria,
• 26:23
  pushing the trolley against the the guards, and then suddenly
• 26:26
  they're in the It's sort of like a.
• 26:28
  Yeah. I did like Astrid.
• 26:34
  Saying sorry Yanos as she knocks him out though, yeah.
• 26:37
  One of those unconvincing Doctor Who sort of and and Blake 7 as
• 26:41
  well sort of karate chops. Oh, this is one of the best ever
• 26:45
  soap opera cliffhangers. It was you.
• 26:49
  Or Someone Like You. Hang on.
• 26:52
  It was you. Or Someone Like You.
• 26:59
  It's like in the close up as well.
• 27:00
  It's like the end of the Sons and Daughters episode or
• 27:03
  something. You know, like crickets in the
• 27:04
  background as well. So yeah.
• 27:07
  It's like a scene in Neighbours now with Terese doing her
• 27:10
  incredible eye acting that she does, you know?
• 27:19
  But I do think we have got to go underground or something new has
• 27:22
  to happen after this. We couldn't just keep doing.
• 27:25
  This because because it's not that people what people were I'm
• 27:28
  sure saying this is much like Doctor Who where's the.
• 27:31
  Where's the doctor? Why?
• 27:33
  Isn't the Doctor? And yes, we know that there,
• 27:35
  that there is something fishy going on with the natural
• 27:38
  disasters. So either Salamander has a way
• 27:41
  of predicting them or he has a way of controlling them.
• 27:44
  But we haven't seen what that is yet.
• 27:46
  And actually it turns out to be more science fiction than it
• 27:50
  might have been. So it's not just that there's a
• 27:53
  research base above ground with people pushing buttons.
• 27:55
  It's a whole other level of conspiracy and delusion going on
• 27:59
  under the ground. I'm sorry, it's just been Joe
• 28:02
  put my head when he said it was you.
• 28:07
  It's so funny. There we go, the end of the year
• 28:14
  3. How are you finding it so far?
• 28:17
  Obviously we're only doing. Half the recording so.
• 28:20
  How's anybody in the world faring for you each, Lucy?
• 28:24
  Great so far, Yeah. Definitely enjoying.
• 28:27
  Daniel. I think we're enjoying it far
• 28:30
  too much, no? No.
• 28:33
  It's it's really good, Yeah. And I think it's, yeah, it's,
• 28:37
  it's not for nothing, but it's caches increased now that we can
• 28:42
  see it all over the last 10 years or so.
• 28:45
  Did you see how much it climbed that pole in the latest DWM
• 28:48
  pole? It was up about 12 places.
• 28:51
  Yeah. And Dave?
• 28:54
  I'm gripped. I want to see what Salamander's
• 28:57
  got BC what's he doing? What have you.
• 28:59
  Gripped. I'm so I'm so.
• 29:02
  Sorry. Oh yeah, sorry.
• 29:09
  You know what? I'll cut it there on a laugh.
• 29:12
  It's always good to render the laugh.
• 29:14
  I'll, I'll, I'll quickly have a listen to the tracks.
• 29:16
  Don't you worry, I won't be naming and.
• 29:17
  Shaming. I'll just be.
• 29:18
  Editing. OK, but you know, it's you, all
• 29:21
  right? I'm pointing at all of you.
• 29:22
  It's you and me. Or someone liking.
• 29:26
  You. This podcast has been murdered.
• 29:33
  Someone call the police.