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Historical Record of U.S. Government Involvement with UAP | Ryan Gable · Ryder Lee

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Welcome back to Raised by a Giant's Discussion. Welcome everyone in the chat.
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the show thus far. Really appreciate you guys. So this evening we have
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with us author, veteran radio personality and producer of the show The Secret Teachings
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at ground zero dot Radio, Ryan Gable. Welcome back, my friend.
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How are you doing good writer? Thank you for having me back as always,
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Yes, sir, we have a lot to dig into today. Ero
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just released a new historical record report that we actually covered how long ago was
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it? Like? A couple of months ago? And doctor Sean Kerpatrick in
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that one of his last things from Arrow was to do a historical record report
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and present that. But before we dive into that, let people know what
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you got going on. Ryan, You've been doing a lot of work and
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you recently just finished up a new book, so let the audience know all
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about that. Yeah, over fourteen years of radio, I've accumulated all of
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my occult knowledge into a single book. It's about six hundred plus pages.
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Seven and a half by nine point two I believe is the size, so
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it's bigger than a standard six by nine, and it is hundreds and hundreds
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of pages, hundreds and hundreds of photos of everything occult and everything esoteric,
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reconciling both the white and baneful or black magic and the things that go along
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with those. I mean everything from sigils and talismans to something such as looking
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at the origins of armageddon and the apocalypse and what that means across cultures.
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It's a really good combination of a lot of things. I think people would
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have really enjoyed. It's called a cult Arcana. It's available on my website,
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the Secret Teachings dot info. And it did take me in a month
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to rewrite the entire thing a lot of stress. Yeah, you've been super
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busy with that. Does the book cover ascension at all? Because ascension is
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like this weird freaking thing that the New Age community always talks about and always,
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you know, believe that ascension was like after deth ascension. It's yeah,
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they're advocating for a rapture. That's exactly what it is. Yeah,
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you're right, You're one hundred percent right. I actually mentioned that I don't
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do anything political or opinionated in the book. Everything is referenced with ancient texts,
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et cetera. But you're totally right. The New Age movement or whatever
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you choose to call it, they do believe in a rapture and that is
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their ascension. And it's interesting I do talk about ascension in the book as
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a matter of fact, because the Great Pyramid of Giza or Cufu was actually
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called the temple or the place of ascension on the Plateau. But by ascension,
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they meant when someone would go into the mystery schools, they would go
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into seclusion within the temple, they'd go through the trials that would represent the
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ups and downs of life. So crawling through tight spaces, swimming through dark
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water, maybe there's crocodiles in it, things like that, and then you'd
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be in the tomb for three days and then resurrected with the grip of the
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lions Paul like Christ Jesus raises Lazarus from the dead. But then you would
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ascend the earthly plane and you would greet the rising sun in the east.
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It's why a lot of temples are oriented east west because of the sun,
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including the Mormon Temple in Salt Lake City. So you're you're you're, you're
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right. It's funny, but that that term ascension, which actually comes from
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the ancient world representing the man's attempt to overcome is best style nature like mythrist
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laying the bull or the killing of the Minotaur, et cetera. That's what
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it actually means, to overcome beastile desires and your be style nature. And
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I don't know what it's turned into, day Rider, It's turned into some
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kind of cult of physical ascension in UFOs. But yeah, that's what is
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what. You don't want to ascend into the fifth dimension? Bro, come
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on, not all well, no, I was looking for the sixth dimension.
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I was gonna go one up. Yeah, you gotta skip some levels.
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You gotta skip right into the fifth into the sixth. We got that
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game Shark. That dude, I'm I used to hack Pokemon back in the
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day, like Hardcore used to have the Steam Shark, and I would just
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whip everyone's ass like a Pokemon that I would play with all the time.
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They were like, how how are these Pokemons so strong? I was like,
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I'll never tell you. I got those rare candies, going, yeah,
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a couple hundred candies. Well, there was this cheat code where if
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you just went out and beat one Pokemon in the wild, it would automatically
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level up your Pokemon to level one hundred. Oh my god, I didn't
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know that cheat code. Yeah, unbelievable. It was a really rare cheat
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code. Okay, so you probably wouldn't have had access to it. You
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had to been in it. You had to have been in the sixth dimension.
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Yeah, you access to that cheat code. Now. Just recently watch
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June too, and I thought that the symbolism within June two was really spot
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on, like the religious symbolism of what actually could and quite possibly have happened
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to Christ. It's it's kind of like Paul is like this Christ figure and
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he takes this uh a lickxir, which they what do they call it in
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the movie, It's called the water of life? The water of life?
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And then he like presumably dies and then he's resurrected. Is that what you've
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kind of found researching and looking through history, that that's more than likely what
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it was, because there's been several people that's done a lot of research into
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the Bible and they think that this is very similar to what happened to Christ,
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like he took this elixir, died for three days, and then he
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was resurrected. Yeah, you find that same motif. I mean, if
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you've read Joseph Campbell. I've actually never not read a lot of Carl Jung.
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I've only read his UFO work. I've not read a lot of Carl
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Young. But people tell me you got to read Young, you got to
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read Young. So I do like Carl Jung. I just need to read
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more of his stuff. But Joseph Campbell is one of my favorites, and
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he talks a lot about this kind of stuff. But I didn't discover that
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through Joseph Campbell or Carl Jung. I actually discovered it more so through mainly
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P Hall and a couple of other i'd say more obscure writers and authors and
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books, but it's a motif that you find if you just read standard mythology.
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It's the dying God myth. It's the death and resurrection of Bacchus Dionysus,
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which is the Greek and Roman. It's the death and resurrection of Balder.
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The death and resurrection of Christ is found in virtually every single culture.
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In some cultures, it's actually a female. In Japan, it's a female
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Ama Terasu, who I might have mentioned on the show before, one of
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my favorite goddesses, one of my favorite personal favorite stories. But you find
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that story everywhere. Basically, it's the dark Knight of the soul. It's
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a psychological transformation, but it's also a physical drama that has played out in
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the mystery schools of antiquity, whether that's in Greece or Egypt. Of course
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in Rome as well, the cult of Mithras. They would go into sacred
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caves and they would perform rituals and have resurrections, and so yeah, if
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you read the Bible and the story of Jesus raising Lazarus from the dead,
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it's actually what the same terminology was used by the priests in Egypt. They
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would go into the coffin room, the sarcophagus room, and they would raise
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an initiate from the dead after three days by saying, whatever your name was,
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writer, come forth. That's the exact same term that Jesus uses Lazarus,
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come forth. And there's actually a couple of a couple of interesting theories
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about Jesus in regard to what you're asking, is that Jesus was certainly a
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real person and certainly hated by the Roman establishment, largely because what he was
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teaching people, metaphorically speaking, was the mystery schools, which, especially at
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that time two thousand years ago, it was punishable by death if you revealed
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the secrets. Now maybe not so much today. People talk about freemasonry and
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how you know there's a death pact, and there actually is. There used
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to be in the secret societies, and they would kill you if you revealed
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their secrets. But in the case of Jesus two thousand years ago, he's
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going around teaching people these things, teaching that the state is not God,
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that God is internal. The Bible even says that right the Kingdom of Heaven
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is within you, says that in the Bible. So you don't need the
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state to dictate your life. You don't need the state to help you obtain
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some sort of spiritual realization. You can do all those things yourself, and
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someone who is aware of that can heal the sick people that are sick with
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the pollution of let's say, the pollution of oppression and animal desires and things
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of that nature. You can heal the lame and the death, and the
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blind people that don't see the truth, people that don't hear the truth.
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It's metaphoric, right. So the bottom line, and to answer your question
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very directly, yes, what Paul takes in the movie The Water of Life
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is actually almost identical, especially with the desert on Oracus, and everything is
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kind of if you watch the movie, they kind of make it. It's
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it's kind of Egyptian icnography. And so if you watch Paul, he goes
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into this suspended state of animation where they can't detect his vitals, and then
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he's resurrected and brought back to life and he becomes the Messiah, which is
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precisely what we find all throughout the ancient world in Egypt. As a matter
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of fact, they use something called the blue water lily or the blue lotus,
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which is identical to the Blue Water of Life in the movie. In
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other places they called it, they might have called it peyote. In the
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American Southwest, ayahuasca and South America poppy and Greece poppy was very popular.
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But probably the most famous of all outside of ayahuasca is ergot, which is
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what the Greeks used, and that was a purplish, bluish fungus that grew
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on still does. It grows on certain crops and they would take that and
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they would prepare it, and then they would give it to an initiate and
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they'd have this out of body type ayahuasca type experience. So yes, that
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is all. Frank Herbert wrote those books. He pulled on and drew from
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all that mythology, all those archetypes, and he did that way before George
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Lucas ever wrote Star Wars, which is even more incredible when you think about
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it, Isn't it said that ergo poisoning was somehow responsible for some of the
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Salem witch trial stuff. You know what, I've heard that I don't know
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anything about personally, but I've heard that before. You I mean, I
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think a lot of that was hysteria, you know, public hysteria. I
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don't think it had anything to do with drugs, but there is a direct
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connection in terms of like witchcraft in general throughout Europe and the use of certain
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herbs and plants to induce states of hallucination, where women in particular, but
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men too thought that they were literally communing with the devil at a black mass.
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Although if you study the Black Mass, which I actually wrote about this
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in that book too, I just wrote a call Tarcana, most of the
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things we think about the Black Mass of everything from communing with the actual devil
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to big orgies and big feasts and things like that, it was all really
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the creation of the church. It really wasn't something that witches were literally engaged.
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And in fact, if anything, it would have been the ideas that
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the church put forward were actually things that maybe later witches actually decided in rebellion,
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let's actually do these things because this is what the church doesn't want.
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So the church actually created the Black Mass ultimately, but that's another story.
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Yeah, them thinking that they're already doing it, so they're like, oh,
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screw, let's just go ahead and do it. Even though we're not
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doing it. Yeah, and they used to come in the middle of the
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night to grab these women out of their beds, claiming that they were witches,
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which is ironic because they would say that the women would go to the
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Black Mass at night. They'd call these midnight dames or the night rides,
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so the women would go to the mass. But it was actually the church
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coming to take women in the middle of the night to trial or to to
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lock them up for witchcraft. Kind of ironic. Well, isn't it kind
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of posturize that witches were sort of like they didn't really have like magical powers
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or like they weren't really practicing witchcraft. It was that they had a psychedelic
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substance and they would give it to men unknowingly. And that's true. Yeah,
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yeah, go ahead, go ahead. No, No, it was
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just the that's why they say stay away from the witches. Don't go out
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into the forest and get near the witches or go into their house because they're
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going to poison you. But it's not really poison it's like a psychedelic experience.
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I mean, I'm sure some people would think that they were dying if
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they unknowingly took hallucinogenics like Sidney Gottlieb freaking gave LSD to some of his CIA
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people unknowingly put it in their drinks and one of them went crazy and they
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ended up killing themselves. That's how the Arab assassins were manipulated into killing people.
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You ever hear those stories or read about those stories, Oh, you'd
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find this fascinating. I did not have this in my book. I should
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have put this in my book actually, now that I think about it.
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But the assassins would be manipulated. They'd be given psychedelics and other sorts of
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substances that would make them hallucinate as if they had gone to heaven or paradise
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or something to that effect, and then they would be told that you can
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return to the beautiful place if you go and do our work for us.
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Go and kill the people that we need you to kill, and then we'll
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give you this this paradise back. You can go to this heavenly paradise again.
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So they were actually manipulated using psychedelics and hallucinogens to go out and commit
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those murders. Wow, that's really interesting. It kind of reminds me of
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Repo man. Did you see the remake of no I thought, well,
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it's basically that's sort of same thing. But you find out like halfway well
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at the end of the movie that he actually died and he was in like
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some weird alternate. He was in like a coma, and then they had
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this thing like hooked up to his brain making them believe that he's in like
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paradise. Oh. Interesting, that's kind of like the it is. I
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guess it is like Repo man. Then it kind of reminds me of that
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X Files episode with the big mushrooms where they're in the underground molder and scullar
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and like an underground cave or something, and there's that slime over top of
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them and it's making them hallucinate and see things that's not there. Yes,
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very interesting stuff. And you know, in relation to UFOs writer to bring
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this to UFOs, if you think about little green men, those little green
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men are the little green plant spirits. Those little plant spirits are the things
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that communicated with our ancestors, or we did through them through the plants,
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that gave us knowledge of medicine, gave us knowledge of maybe how to brew
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beer, you know, because it comes from crops, right, And so
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those are things that ancient alien proponents suggest the aliens came down and gave us
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this knowledge of medicine and gave us this knowledge of how to make beer famously
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in Sumeria. But if you think about it from the context of these types
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of substances like an ergat ayahuasca, et cetera, it's really the little tiny
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spirits that inhabit the plants, or the green men, the little green men,
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sometimes little green women, little fairies that impart to us knowledge. And
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that usually happens when we're in a secluded place. We get abducted by these
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spirits. They take us into their world. We return and have this knowledge
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that we get from the plant realm. And that is the UFO story.
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It's the Shaman's journey. Yes, yes, there is a huge connection between
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fairies and goblin lore and psychedelic use. I mean, I've said since the
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beginning that majority of these alien contact people are on some form of psychedelic They're
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taking LSD, mushrooms, aahuasca, and they're leaving that detail out right.
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Then they wonder why whenever they do all these courses, you know, teaching
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people, you know, how to contact the aliens and the Galactic Federation and
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all that, and all the people are wondering, well, why haven't I
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been contacted by extraterrestrial as well? They left out the most important part was
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that they were on LSD or mushrooms or some sort of psychedelic drug. Before
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the aliens contact you. You have to contact your local drug dealer. Then
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the aliens will make contact. You know, it's funny you say that because
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I see you ever see that meme on social media about all these different flying
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saucers and it says, all these flying saucers at this date eighteen hundreds,
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nineteen hundreds, we're seen through this powerful telescope and it's like a it's like
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a it's like weed or something. It's like some marijuana. But I see
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that, and I think, Okay, you know, that's funny. But
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at the same time, it's it's also like you're still seeing something, You're
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still having an experience. So just because someone's on a substance like that doesn't
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mean that because they're hallucinating, what they're seeing is not real per se,
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Like it's still real to the mind, and you're still having an experience that
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can transform you. That doesn't mean I think people should go do it,
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But it doesn't mean that I think because a lot of these people are taking
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some of those kinds of substances, that we should totally dismiss what they're seeing
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because what they're seeing has shaped all of human history and probably is the basis
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for all world religions. I mean, if you Revelation Saint John was on
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some mushrooms, because that is a very, very wild story, and Saint
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John is absolutely hallucinating through that whole thing when he goes up into heaven and
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sees the heavenly hosts. He's on something. Is the Saint John that always
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carries her on an ax like a cross, Like a cross is like an
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ax. You're thinking of, well, the Keys of Saint Peter. Maybe
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it might have been Peter. It might have been Saint Peter. I went
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to Cincinnati Art Museum whenever I was on my travels, and I can't remember
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if it was Saint Peter or Saint John. It might it probably was Saint
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Peter. But they had like a lot of art and they were like,
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yeah, one of the saints is always depicted carrying like an axe like a
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cross. That's like in an AX. Usually usually I mean if you turn
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any cross to the side, it becomes an X, right, but usually
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it's I'm thinking Saint Saint Peter, because he has the gold and silver key.
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One is the key of Heaven, the gold key, and one is
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the key of Earth, the silver key, and he's the guardian of those
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keys. Yeah. I didn't really know the significance because they don't really tell
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you in art museums. They just give you a little description of some primitive
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person painted this, even though it's highly sophisticated. Yeah, yeah, it's
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really incredible. But I think that people should just be if that's the case
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and they are taking these psychedelics to have these experiences, they should just be
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forthcoming about it, right. They should be like, oh, hey,
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listen, I just took a bunch of psychedelics and this is my experience.
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But you know what, I think that they think that it's going to discredit
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their entire thing, which I guess it depends on who you're talking to if
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it really does or not, you know, so, but I think that
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they should just be straightforward about what they did and how they came in contact
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with these beings, because then you're not because whenever you don't disclose that information,
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it's almost like you're deceiving people. Well, I don't think it's almost
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like it is deceiving people. Yeah, you're definitely deceiving people. But also
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when you look at I don't know what the percentages of the population, it's
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been estimated in some studies to be like two percent, maybe one percent,
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two percent, So you know a handful of people in the United States and
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around the world. I'm sure if you took the same studies, there's the
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same surveys. You know, people do produce excess DMT plus when you consume
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animals. I don't know for sure, but I've read studies where you can
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actually absorb the DMT from the animals depending on what part of the animal you're
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eating. And I've even heard that about plants. So whether you're vegetarian,
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vegan, or meat, regardless you're eating something like that, can I guess
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increase and contribute to the DMT that your body has produced already. And if
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you get too much of that, you might not have to actively search for
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those substances. You can just actively see and hear things that otherwise maybe people
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can't see here, So maybe that's maybe that genuinely is happening to somethple.
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They feel like they've been abducted and they're not on drugs, but they in
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a sense they would be like if you did actively take DMT, except your
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body's just producing more of it and you're having this experience. So I guess
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that's also possible. But then so is the you know, I had a
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guy tell me at that conference in Vegas, I went to the one where
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the security assaulted me at the behest of Jimmy Church, I had a guy
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tell me that Corey Good, even though he made up all the stories,
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he didn't make them up because he really believed them. So the fact that
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he believed them means that he didn't make them up. They're really true to
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him. And I mean, that's well, that's delusional. But based on
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that argument, some people really truly believe it so strongly that it does become
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their reality and you cannot convince them consciously otherwise too. That's right, that's
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the a gregoric reality. Then, yes, you've done many shows on that.
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I've talked about I think we even did a shit together on it.
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Came on Ground zero zero and talked about it. I mean that woman did
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not like your comments on Stephen Greer. She said he had all the proof.
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She didn't even let me get a word in edgewise. I was like,
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well, you didn't give me time to say what I was going to
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say. She just hung up the hung up the call. Yeah, one
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of us asked her. I said, well, if he has all the
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evidence, what evidence does he have? Give me a piece of evidence that
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he has. Well, that's not the point. Oh, it is the
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point, because that's what you that's the point you brought up. So what
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evidence does he have? She couldn't answer that question. She hung up.
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Yeah, it's wild. The ideologies and the agrigoric type of reality that's been
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created surrounding this kind of phenomenon is unbelievable, and it's cemented into everyone's consciousness,
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you know. And like what I've been looking into is like the different
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words and the multiple meanings of different words. Now, you know, like
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you have like aology, well not so much etymology, but like the like
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whenever. You know, people use these buzzwords all the time within the community.
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You know, they use that crash retrieval, they use uh, you
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know, fake alien invasion or invasion or you know, a national security threat
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and stuff like that, when really all of those have like double meanings like
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but the problem is is that the public that is listening to it has the
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perception that it means what they mean in the context of the community, so
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that it means aliens when it probably means like down Soviet planes or satellites.
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That's a really good point. You're right about that crash retrieval. It can
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be anything. It can be an air force vessel, it could be a
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missing airplane. Uh, you know, aliens could be something completely different.
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You just had a word in front of aliens and it becomes something completely different.
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You know, just had illegal in front of it, and then it
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turns into a completely different meaning. You know, then you got national security
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threat, which I believe national security threat means something completely different than what the
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community has taken it to mean. National security threat is and it's not because
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aliens are in our airspace or that extraterrestrials are invading us are going to attack
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us. Is that it's our technology and if another country finds out that it's
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our technology, they were exposed. You know, that's the national security threat.
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It's not national security threat because they're invading our airspace or they're going to
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attack us sometime in the future. So all these different kind of buzzwords aren't
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necessarily I mean, it's a deception in a few different ways, but they
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aren't necessarily meaning what people think that they actually mean. I've noticed that about
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so many different subjects over my fourteen years of radio. I've noticed that in
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the health field. I've noticed that in eupology and everything in between. You're
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very, very right about that, writer, especially because when I first started
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reading about you know, aliens, you listen, we're UFOs. You listen,
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and you read the stuff of the experts, the classical names on the
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subject, and some really good researchers and some that are kind of I think
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con artists now that I've learned. But you do read those kinds of words.
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You hear it all the time. The reason the government can't disclose this
25:27
is because it's a national security threat if they do disclose it, and that
25:30
must mean that the oil companies don't want us to find out about the UFOs
25:33
and the unlimited energy and it's it's maybe a theory that somebody had at one
25:38
point, like someone like a Stanton Freeman's Friedman said something and I didn't dislike
25:45
him. But he says something, or Von Danakin says something, or maybe
25:48
Jim Mars wrote something, and even if they're sincere about it, it's like
25:52
a theory or a one idea that was mentioned on the Art Bell Show thirty
25:57
years ago, you know where it was something that was in a book twenty
26:00
years ago, and then it becomes the hallmark, this cornerstone of the entire
26:07
community, and people build these houses on top of this sand, which is
26:11
just a theory that someone proposed on a late night radio show in nineteen ninety
26:15
three. That's usually what happens, as far as I can see. So
26:19
that's a good point. I've never talked much about that, but I like
26:22
that point. Yes, yeah, that's what I've really just discovered because I
26:26
had. I was talking to Rickdodi about it as well, and I was
26:30
like, hey man, this stuff doesn't mean what people think that it means,
26:36
like it either has an ulterior meaning a different kind of meaning, or
26:41
it doesn't mean why people think that it means at all. It's something completely
26:45
different and context matters. Yeah, so let's jump into this historical arrow record
26:52
report that just came out. Hold on, I'm going to pull it up
26:55
on the screen here in just a second, okay, Because this was really
27:00
the last thing that doctor Sean Kapatrick's from ARROW. This was his last thing
27:07
to do before he left the Arrow Department of the Defense Intelligence Agency. So
27:14
this was published on March sixth, twenty twenty four, this year. It
27:18
is the Department of Defense All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office Report on the Historical Record
27:25
of the United States Government involvement with Unidentified anomaloust Phenomenon UAP, Volume one.
27:32
So this is just volume one. I'm guessing that there's going to be a
27:36
second volume that's going to come out in the near future. This is all
27:41
the contents. We're not going to read all this. I just want to
27:42
get to some of it here. So Section one introduction. This report represents
27:48
Volume one of the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Offices ARROW Historical Record Report, which
27:53
reviews the record of the United States Government pertaining to Unidentified Anomalous Phenomenon UAP.
28:00
In completing this report, AERO reviewed all official USG investig efforts since nineteen forty
28:07
five research classified and unclassified archives, conducted approximately thirty interviews and partnered with Controlled
28:15
and Special Access Program Oversight. Representatively, ARROW will publish Volume two in accordance
28:22
with the data established in Section sixty eighth two of the National Defense Authorization Act
28:27
for the year of twenty twenty three. Volume two will provide analysis of information
28:32
acquired by ARROW after the data publication of Volume one. So this gets into
28:41
they start here with this because this is really kind of in response to Dave
28:48
Grush and his congressional testimony because a lot of things that he talked about in
28:52
the congressional testimony, his big complaint to Congress was that there wasn't any oversight
29:00
to a lot of these reverse engineered technology. There wasn't any congressional oversight.
29:07
And the first point that they make in this document is the uh, this
29:12
is the first bullet point. It says UAP Non Disclosure Agreements NDA. AERO
29:18
has found no evidence of any authentic UAP related NDA or any other evidence threatening
29:25
death or violence for disclosing. Oh interesting UAP information. That's interesting, and
29:32
that's kind of reminds me of the of that Sean ka Patrick article that we
29:34
talked about on the show about what a month and a half two months ago,
29:38
where he talked about how they opened up the doors for anybody to come
29:44
in and present evidence. I'm not saying I trust the government as a collective
29:48
entity or as individual agencies or groups at all, but in opening the door
29:53
for people to come forward, I mean even people like Jeremy Corbell who keeps
29:56
saying he has all this evidence, all this evidence, all this evidence,
30:00
and he never comes forward and presents anything either. And it's just like a
30:03
I mean, it's all. I did a show one time called the UFO
30:07
Carrot and Stick, and it was instead of a carrot on a stick and
30:10
a string, it was a UFO and just leading somebody along with a UFO.
30:14
That's what this all sounds like to me. And I don't necessarily trust
30:19
what the government tells me, but I do not see evidence that I kind
30:26
of agree with that first line of this report because I just don't see any
30:29
evidence to the contrary either. If there was, you would feel like it
30:32
would be very obvious and you wouldn't have to jump through hoops and to code
30:36
messages to find it. Yeah, that's right, that's exactly right. So
30:40
the second point here, second bulletin is a CIA official legendly managed UAP experimentation.
30:49
The name former CIA official was not involved in the movement of extraterrestrial technology.
30:56
The same former CIA officer signed a memo rejecting to claim made by the
31:00
interviewees that he managed a movement of the experimentation of off world technology. Now
31:07
not sure here, but this sounds like somebody within the community. It doesn't
31:15
give the name of this person, so I can't really say who it is
31:22
because I don't want to, you know, get it wrong. But just
31:27
read between the lines. I mean, who are some of the biggest proponents
31:30
of disclosure and a part of the UFO movement. Do you remember do you
31:37
remember what I think it was? Bob Lazar said, I mentioned this to
31:41
you one time. I found it. It was in Alien Agenda by Jim
31:45
Mars, and he had a section he's talking about Bob Lazar's experience or supposed
31:48
experiences. And I think it was Bob Lazar who was even quoted saying that
31:53
he wasn't sure what he had seen because he believed he thought that maybe the
31:57
people in charge wherever he was supposedly working, that they were actually trying to
32:05
get people like him to see things that they wanted him to see so that
32:09
he would spread this false or this fake message. And I think he had
32:14
said he wasn't even sure at one point of what he had, which is
32:16
almost identical to the term they said gospel, the term they used they said
32:22
spread the gospel in that nineteen fifty three Robertson panel report. They need to
32:27
infiltrate groups and get people that are interested in this involved so they can go
32:31
out and quote spread the gospel of the UFO message. But that was an
32:36
intelligence and military concept to get this information spread to confuse people. Anyway,
32:45
I just wanted to mention that about bob Leazark because I thought that's important because
32:46
I think at one point he even said that he wasn't sure what he saw
32:49
and he thought they might be messing with him. Yeah. I agree with
32:52
that. It's possible that boble Zar was showing some kind of technology and then
32:57
they just let him run with the myth. Yeah. Yeah, and that,
33:00
Yeah, that's probably what it was. Go ahead. Yeah. Third
33:04
one is alleged UAP Intelligence Community document. I'm not sure if this is the
33:08
Wilson document or a different document. Is Again, there's not telling you what
33:15
these things are an alleged nineteen sixty one special National intelligence estimate that was leaked
33:22
to online sources and suggests the extraterrestrial nature of UFOs is anauthentic. I mean,
33:30
there's been a lot of fake documents that's run around supposedly claiming that the
33:36
Extra Trustrials are involved with the government. I mean, Paul Beinwitz wrote a
33:40
letter to Harrison Schmidt saying that Extra Trustrials signed a contract with the military to
33:49
create this base in New Mexico. So there's a bunch of fake documents running
33:53
around in the Eisenhower story. Classic Yeah that eyes now were signed a contract
34:00
with the extraterrestrials for technology. Yeah. Can I ask you one question.
34:05
I understand it might can be considered for some people suspicious if the president in
34:08
the middle of the night has to go get a root canal. I think
34:12
that's what he said. They said that he had to go get but I
34:15
don't know how, and maybe it was suspicious. Maybe they had to move
34:17
him for some undisclosed reason. They wouldn't tell the public that anyway, there
34:21
might have been some threat to his life, who knows. But why that
34:24
becomes aliens is a pretty big jump. Even for me. I don't get
34:30
it, like they could have moved him for any reason in the middle of
34:32
the night. But I don't know how well he had to get an emergency
34:37
dental surgery that means he went to meet with aliens. I don't see how
34:39
you make that jump. But well, that really got regurgitated from Paul Bennowitz
34:45
by Bill Cooper. Bill Cooper was one of the original people that started that
34:52
entire theory, and he got the tidbit of information from Paul Bennowitz that was
34:57
getting all the information from NSA agents that he thought were extraterrestrials, pumping his
35:04
computer full of the UFO myth. Yeah, and then he went on and
35:08
spread all that missing disinformation to everyone in the community. And then Bill Cooper
35:15
jumped on that bandwagon. And then he just changed us slightly. He was
35:20
like, oh, well, wow, now it's not just a military to
35:23
sign a contract. I'm going to add in that it was Dwight Eisenhower to
35:29
sign the contract. It just changed changed it up just a little bit.
35:34
Aliens present present Aliens present. During a d O D technology test, Errow
35:42
reviewed information related to an account of an interviewee overhearing a conversation about a technology
35:49
test that a military base were alien aliens allegedly were observing, and Arrow judges
35:54
that the interviewe misunderstood the conversation. See a lot of this stuff just surrounds
36:00
military basis military technology, like common says, tells you that it is the
36:07
military, Like, I don't understand what's going on here. What gets me
36:12
there is that? So it's another person. It's like UFO thrift shopping again,
36:17
it's another person who's getting second or third hand accounts. In this case,
36:22
it's not even necessarily a second or third hand account. You're overhearing a
36:24
conversation that someone else is having and you don't know anything about that, but
36:30
you interpret it as it must have been aliens from another planet or dimension watching
36:35
some military test. I mean, maybe they were doing a test on the
36:38
border and there were illegal aliens there watching, and it could have been something
36:42
as simple as that too. Yeah, this I don't discount the alien narrative
36:46
or the UFO narrative in the sense that there are bizarre phenomenon that we don't
36:51
know, and it might be plasma, it might be a lot of things.
36:53
It probably is a lot of different things, and some things might be
36:57
interdimensional. We don't know. Neither is the government officially, But that kind
37:00
of a piece of evidence is not really evidence to me. That's you overhearing
37:04
a conversation that someone else is having. You know, you could walk into
37:08
any conversation even if you knew what they were talking about, and walking at
37:12
the wrong moment, and you have no context, you know, for what's
37:15
happening. It's like if you're a kid watching a movie and there's a sex
37:17
scene and that's when your parents walk in. They think you're watching porn.
37:21
It's like, no, it's a it's a Titanic, you know. It's
37:24
kind of like that, there's no con there's gonna be context for the conversation.
37:29
And I don't know, man, did someone just they're just walking by
37:31
and they hear someone said aliens, and like they must be talking about aliens
37:35
watching a secret military program and they just run with that. You can't get
37:39
more evidence or something. I don't I don't know. It kind of sounds
37:43
to be that way, which is an incredible coincidence that all these people are
37:49
just That's what a lot of it seems like it is, is like overhearing
37:52
other military people talking about it that aren't directly a part of the conversation.
38:00
Yes, And I would think that if that information were really classified and wasn't
38:06
known to a lot of people, including let's say, the like in the
38:09
X files, even the commander of Area fifty one ask Malder if aliens are
38:14
real, because he didn't even know. Nobody knew even at Area fifty one.
38:16
If it really was that classified need to know, I would doubt that
38:21
there would be random people hanging out on a military base on lunch just having
38:24
a conversation about these aliens. That seems like itself a breach of national security,
38:30
But what do I know. Next one is a claim that a military
38:35
officer touched in off world craft, which this again I'm not for sure.
38:39
We can only speculate on what these cases are. It sounds like the Rendelsham
38:45
Forest incident. Yeah, if they touched the object. Yeah, yeah,
38:51
that's what it sounds like. An interviewee, they claimed that a named former
38:54
military officer explained in detail how he physically touched an extraterrestrial spacecraft is inaccurate.
39:01
The claim was denied on the record by the named former officer, who recounted
39:07
the story of when he touched the F one seventeen Nighthawk stealth fighter that could
39:15
have been miscinstrewed by the interviewee through the named former officer does not recall having
39:22
this conversation with the interviewee. I'm not sure if that's a Rendals Forest incident
39:28
or not, but it's pretty similar similar to it. Yeah, test of
39:34
off roll technology and interviewee claim that he witnessed what he believed to be the
39:37
testing of an extraterrestrial technology at USG facility almost certainly was an observation of an
39:45
authentic, non UAP related technology test that strongly correlated in time, location,
39:52
and description provided by the interviewee's account, which that one there just really summarizes
40:00
almost everything, summarizes the entire phenomenon. People are seeing authentic but not related
40:09
to UAPs or extraterrestrial technology that the military are testing that they're misidentifying and mistakingly
40:20
calling UFOs. I want to tell you something about that real quick. I
40:23
was at the gym about a month ago before I went started working on this
40:28
new book, and there was a guy from the military base here in Tucson.
40:35
Uh, we have raytheon here as well, but it was Matham Davis,
40:37
and he was talking to some guy in the in the in the locker
40:40
room about how he was stationed temporarily out at Nellis, and I had,
40:47
oh, I was so close to just kind of asking him. I was
40:51
joking around, like, hey, so what do they tell you about aliens
40:53
out there at Nellis? But I was thinking. But as I was thinking
40:58
that, I thought, you know, in all seriousness, I think a
41:00
lot of people in the UFO community feel like, well, if you were
41:04
if you're a soldier and you were stationed at Nellis or any military base for
41:07
that matter, you would know about the aliens. And it's like they don't
41:13
even tell other people who are high level. Sometimes depending on the program,
41:19
is what tests they're flying, like what planes. I think the guy that
41:23
flew the SR seventy one, they didn't even tell him what it was.
41:27
They like blindfolded him and put him in the cockpit. And that's a very
41:30
human craft. I mean, maybe people say it was reverse engineer from alien
41:34
technology, Okay, whatever point is something humans definitely built. They don't even
41:37
tell the pilot what the hell he's flying, So I highly doubt that they're
41:42
going to tell average people at a military base, something about aliens. If
41:46
that really were the case, they don't even tell them what's going on with
41:51
military technology. That's very human. I think people really overlook that really important
41:55
critical detail. Writer they really do, And that just goes to show you
42:01
the compartmentalization of the military itself. I mean, there's things that are being
42:07
worked on that only people know bits and pieces of the information. And again
42:12
that goes back to the national security thread. That's done for a reason so
42:16
that no one person has all the information, so that they can't reveal it
42:22
to any other country, foreign or domestic. So it's fragmented. Yeah,
42:30
maybe that's why all the it's actually kind I never thought of that, But
42:32
that's kind of ironic then, or not even maybe not even ironic, that's
42:36
not the right word. Maybe it's just it's just a pattern. Then,
42:39
because if within the national security apparatus, if everything is fragmented naturally so,
42:46
because you don't want one person having all the information, including even the president
42:51
for that matter, for plausible deniability depending on what it is, like the
42:53
Manhattan Project, then maybe that's why the UFO stories are also so segmented and
43:00
so fragmented, because you're only getting bits and pieces, and it's not coming
43:04
from space or another dimension. It's coming from military programs that are fragmented to
43:08
keep the public from knowing or to keep other people in other countries from knowing
43:13
what's actually being developed and worked on and tested. Does that make sense?
43:16
I just I never thought of that. But maybe that's why UFOs are so
43:20
fragmented, because it's all coming from that national security border. That's exactly right,
43:28
And that's the whole buzzword of the national security threat. That's why they
43:34
call it a national security threat. Can I can I read to you a
43:37
very short sentence from Bob Blazar. Yes, I found it. I went
43:42
and pulled my Alien Agenda book by Jim Mars, and this is in the
43:49
you have a copy of this book. It's on page one eighty one.
43:52
So it says, and this is Jim Mars writing about Bob Blazar, and
43:55
he's, you know, he's basically documenting the mythology of everything in this book.
44:00
I think it's one of the better alien books. But he says that
44:04
Lazarre says this. Lazarre said he was walking and he was quote looking down
44:08
and talking to this guy that he saw was looking down and talking to something
44:12
small with long arms. Lazarre said he saw something small with long arms that
44:16
was talking to some human, and Lazarre noted, he said, I don't
44:22
know what it is, because, quote, they play so many mind games
44:24
there. Maybe they stuck a doll in front of these guys and made me
44:29
walk by it and look at it, just to see what my reaction would
44:30
be. But when we did turn around to do something and walk back,
44:35
it was gone, and the two guys were gone. So I don't know
44:37
what I saw. Just in one instance, here's Lazarre even saying they play
44:40
all these mind games. I don't know what I saw. They could have
44:45
put a doll there, not an alien. So that's Lazarre saying that.
44:49
Now, if I interviewed Lazarre, if I was Corbell, I'd be asking
44:52
him this question. Don't you think that most of your story couldn't be summarized
44:55
by this account? You've acknowledged that a lot of this stuff is possibly fake,
45:00
and they play mind games. What makes you think that anything else you
45:04
saw was real? I don't know. I think that's important if you ever
45:07
get to have bobblazar on ask him that question, because nobody else is no
45:13
one talks to Bobazar besides Joe Rogan, Jeremy Corbell and George Knapps, So
45:17
I don't think he'll ever He'll never be on the show. I learned.
45:22
I learned from that Boblazar documentary that Jeremy Corbel has Bob Blazar and George NAP's
45:25
phone number. That's all I learned from that documentary called him a bunch.
45:31
Let me FaceTime Bob Azar real quick. We'll bring him in real quick through
45:38
the Internet, and you guys can film the computer and we'll see him that
45:43
way. We don't have the budgets to actually fly Bobazar into the filming of
45:47
this, and plus you don't have special access like Jeremy Corbell does. So
45:52
yeah, only they can talk to the famous Bob Bazaar. But this next
45:58
one we have UAP discore. Study interviewees claimed that between two thousand and four
46:02
and two thousand and seven, the White House requested a research institute in Virginia
46:06
study the theoretical societal impacts of disclosing that UAP are extraterrestrial in origin. Aero
46:14
confirmed the study was conducted, but it was not requested by the White House.
46:21
The next one is named companies allegedly experimenting on alien technology. AEROW has
46:27
found no evidence that US companies ever possessed off world technology. The executive scientists
46:34
and chief technology officers of the companies named by interviewees met with the director of
46:38
ERROW and denied on record that they have ever recovered, possessed, or engaged
46:45
in reverse engineering of extraterrestrial technology, which they're doing like a little cover here
46:53
on this one, right. They're adding in extraterrestrial technology when some of the
47:00
stuff could have been retrieved from archaeological digs and they found it and then figured
47:07
out how it worked and then created their own technology based off of what they
47:10
found. That doesn't make it extraterrestrial. It just makes it really, really
47:15
old. Yes, And also I think that this has almost been lost in
47:21
uthology. Maybe it's because people like Jim Mars aren't alive anymore. But you
47:25
know, the Germans were working on extremely advanced technologies compared to what the rest
47:32
of the world had. It's really astounding that Germany lost the Second World War
47:37
when you think about it. I mean, they had programs that were higher
47:39
than the atomic bomb program, things that were way more classified, like the
47:45
famous Diglaca, which probably isn't what we've been told, but there's a lot
47:47
of theories on it. It was a very classified project. My point is,
47:51
though the Germans were developing in the thirties, they I mean they had
47:54
the first TV cameras, CCTV cameras, they had night vision, they were
48:00
deploying not widespread, but they had deployed drones on the battlefield, which were
48:05
relatively well new in all of human history. I mean, Tesla basically invented
48:09
the remote controlled drone in the late eighteen hundreds early nineteen hundreds. The Germans
48:14
were using that in the battlefield. In the late thirties early forties. They
48:17
were using magnetic tape like the first computers, magnetic tape to record things,
48:23
way ahead of the rest of the world. And they were there's no doubt
48:28
about it. They were developing advanced and sophisticated aircraft. I mean, we
48:30
get our jet engines from the Germans. The Measure Schmidt two six' two
48:36
was the first fighter jet that was German. Everybody else was using propellers.
48:40
The Germans invented a lot of stuff. So if they were and it seems
48:45
to be that they were based on based on records and stinematics that I've seen,
48:50
that they were working on some sort of advanced sophisticated flying craft that was
48:53
clearly beyond anything that we could imagine, and then something like that did crash.
49:00
It was recovered. It would have been a foreign you know, aircraft,
49:04
foreign technology or something that we got after the war. We tried to
49:07
fly it and it crashed. Maybe that was Kecksburg, you know, or
49:10
it could have been Roswell, whatever the case might be. Absolutely not extraterrestrial.
49:15
It's actually from the Fatherland. It's from Dutschland, not from state of
49:20
rearticulate. Well, I'm willing to contest that Germany did win the war.
49:25
They lost it in public perception, but on paper they want and the Nazi
49:30
ideology won. Yet. Yeah, yeah, that's it. That's kind of
49:35
what happened when you look at you know, Project paper Clip and basically just
49:39
the regrouping of Germany into the United States. I feel like that was an
49:45
official agreement that was made by the Germans during World War Two in the United
49:52
States. It wasn't a they came in and subverted. They they created a
49:59
back door and there like, oh, well, what if this is a
50:01
better way to win. What if we just infiltrate the United States instead of
50:08
taking the United States over. We can just pick up all of our operations
50:14
from Germany during World War Two and then we can transplant them into the United
50:17
States guarantee. That's what I mean. Yeah, the Soviet Union, they
50:23
got more Germans in the United States did. If you look at the way
50:29
our economic system works, it's not capitalist. It's very fascistic. It's a
50:34
merger of corporations in state. And that's precisely what fascism is. That's what
50:37
Mussolini defined it as. It's the companies merging with the state. And that's
50:43
exactly what we have here in the United States. We do not have a
50:45
capitalist, free market society. I mean, even the President of the United
50:50
States right right now has been talking about price controls for things because all inflation,
50:53
so we have to have price controls. Usually doesn't work out too well
50:57
for everybody when we have price controls. But who cares about history and how
51:01
things actually work. Anyway, back to the point of what you're saying,
51:06
So we got experimentation on alleged extraterrestrial spacecraft sample. Arrow has concluded that a
51:14
sample from an alleged crashed off world spacecraft that arrow acquired from a private UAP
51:21
investigating organization and the US Army in a manufactured territory alloy and does not represent
51:30
an offerall technology or possesses any exceptional qualities. The sample is primarily composed of
51:36
magnesium and zinc. This sounds like the Murray Island see and does I say
51:45
bismuth with other trace elements such as lead. So what you're telling me is
51:50
it didn't bend and then bend back to its normal shape. It wasn't magic
51:54
metal. No, it wasn't magic metal. Oh my god, I have
51:58
to ask you based on that statement in the report, we're going to be
52:01
going to Contact in the desert this year. Yeah, and we know what
52:07
we should do. And this is not a joke. I'm sure you've met
52:09
or had people come up to you or you've seen it at a conference like
52:13
Contact where they have evidence of UFOs and they've got like a piece of metal
52:17
or a rock from their backyard. You ever seen those people. They carried
52:22
it around in like a cloth case and like, I've got real proof of
52:23
aliens and they might actually believe it. We should bring something like that we
52:28
should bring some scrap metal and some little pieces of rock or concrete, and
52:31
we could sell it and make a lot of money. What do you think
52:36
about that? I think that's a good plan. I mean, we'll just
52:38
get some weird laminated newspapers and then we'll sell that as a crashed alien technology.
52:47
That's what the whole Murray Island incident was. But it was just freaking
52:52
leaflets that the military was trying to get rid of in the ocean. Why
52:57
don't we take like some aluminum foil that's like a done nine or roll and
53:00
we'll just you know, take rolls out, you know, like that big
53:04
laminate them and then we'll just we'll sell them five six seven dollars a pop.
53:09
This is real alien metal, well bend, and then it'll just go
53:15
back because it's laminating. Dude, I'm gonna totally do that. I'm gonna
53:20
go get some laminate and some aluminum foil for contact. Come see the magic
53:25
metal. Unbelievable. It's it's wild that people, even people do that stuff
53:32
and people fall for it. It's unbelievable. And I'm getting in the launch
53:36
here inside the sun Reflector this year. Oh yeah, the med bed med
53:40
bed technology. Yeah, yeah, dude. Actually, I was thinking of
53:45
you the other day because I watched Prometheus while I was working on an edit
53:50
of my book and she gets in the medpod at the end. They only
53:52
made twelve medpods in this in the Whalen Corporation. I was thinking, Oh
53:55
my god, the med bed. Someone watched this movie and then just went
54:00
right to YouTube and made a video. Matt Bed's a real day disclosed it.
54:07
In the Prometheus movie. I actually really liked Prometheus. Supposedly there's a
54:14
new guy that was going to be creating a new alien movie. It's not
54:20
Ridley Scott anymore. I wish Ridley Scott would have made Prometheus too, but
54:24
he has so much crap for Prometheus. But I feel like then he made
54:29
Alien Covenant. I thought, yeah, I was bad. I was like,
54:32
dude, why didn't you just make Prometheus too. I thought the concept
54:36
and the idea of Prometheus was amazing because I again had a lot of that
54:42
religious yeah throughout it. Yeah, the whole thing and from the from from
54:49
Prometheus stealing fire from the gods and helping mankind to the black Goo. But
54:54
yeah, Covenant was pretty awful. Michael Fassbender is that guy, and that
55:01
the robot in Alien Covenant was just horrible, horrible. But I'm getting ready
55:07
to wrap up here. So we got this was what was in volume one,
55:13
and if people want to read all this, I'll leave the link in
55:16
the description of this video so that you can read through all of it.
55:21
It gets into way more details and other things that you can look at.
55:25
But this volume one contains arrows findings from nineteen forty five to the thirty first
55:35
of October twenty twenty three based on the requirements, and Volume two will include
55:39
any findings resulting from interviews and research completed from the first of November twenty twenty
55:46
three to the fifteenth of April twenty twenty four. So this document was basically
55:53
that's really wild though, Like they covered all of the site and reports and
56:00
all the investigations from nineteen forty five to twenty twenty three, and the next
56:07
one is just going to be reports and observations and sightings from twenty twenty three
56:10
to twenty twenty four. Maybe it's because maybe just because the year, since
56:17
the year's not up yet, they're going to wait for the whole year and
56:20
then accumulate that data they have up until twenty twenty three. Maybe, but
56:23
it just shows you how much more popular and agurgoric type of sightings that people
56:31
have had just in the past two to three years. You know, there's
56:37
a very tiny portion of people and now everyone's seeing it. I mean everyone's
56:42
seeing seeing a UFO or being abducted or something to that effect. I wonder
56:49
if this report will get any mention whatsoever at Contact this year. Probably not,
56:54
but I'll bring it up, dude, Send it to me. I'm
56:58
going to print it out and bring it. Then you can bring it up
57:00
with the aluminum foil. We have this top secret classified document wrapped in the
57:07
alien craft for protection. Yeah, the aliens brought you this, wild dude,
57:15
But yeah, that's the that's the report. And you know they're people
57:21
are just attacking Arrow and saying, oh, they've lost all credibility. I
57:24
don't know what they're talking about. There are many people of auth these experiences.
57:30
So so basically what you're saying is when AIR was first formed, everybody
57:35
was excited, and then when they tell you we don't find anything in our
57:38
reports, everybody's Oh, now they're compromised. Now that you can't trust them
57:44
because they didn't confirm a bias. Now if they know, on the contrary,
57:50
if they had said, oh, we did find proof of something alien
57:52
or otherwise, then there would have been a segment of uphology that would have
57:57
said, you can't trust them. They're trying to they're trying to, uh
58:00
what would the word be. They're trying to give credibility to something that's not
58:07
true, and they're ignoring other reports. There's always going to be someone that's
58:10
going to complain about the validity of a report like this. So that's why
58:15
I mean, from the beginning I said, I don't really trust any of
58:17
this stuff. And I mean it's not that I don't agree with this particular
58:22
report, because I do in part mostly from what you read, but I
58:24
just don't trust any of it. I don't trust ufologists to give me information.
58:29
I don't trust the government to give me information. I don't know.
58:32
I see it more from a symbolic and psychological point of view, especially when
58:37
you go back to the original flying disc, which was Ra's sunboat in Egypt
58:40
or ashore in Samaria, Mesopotamia. That's the original flying saucer. It was
58:45
literally called the flying disc. So this stuff is very very ancient. Yep.
58:52
And people are you know, all got their pennies all up in a
58:57
bunch because they're not being told what they want to hear, and it doesn't
59:00
confirm their bias and their preconceived notions of what they think is actually going on,
59:07
which what they're seeing in this document is what they've always said. There's
59:13
no change, there's no different they've always said. But what about David.
59:17
It has nothing to do with extra treastrials. They've always said that. Yeah,
59:24
So it's like, I don't understand why people thought were expecting, I
59:30
don't know, to meet a gray face to face. I guess, yeah,
59:36
but we all have the technology. Let's get an extra treastural ship on
59:38
the next congressional hearing. Yeah, there's a weird well, I don't know
59:43
what it is. By the way, we mentioned you mentioned assension earlier.
59:45
What's the connection between ascension? And there's like a blurry line between the New
59:50
Age groups and the UFO groups. It's like a very blurry line. I
59:55
can't tell where one starts in one one ends. Well, it's a some
1:00:01
people think that it's going to be an ascension from extraterrestrial craft. Landing and
1:00:07
taking them aboard the craft and then they're going to go into They're going to
1:00:12
be taken off into another planet. Yeah, cookbook, don't get on the
1:00:15
craft. It's a cookbook. Go ahead, that's right. We don't ever
1:00:21
get on the craft. And there's another agenda behind it. But that's where
1:00:27
a lot of the intersection in between extraterrestrials and ascension is because even these some
1:00:32
of the earliest UFO cults, starting with the Secrets called in nineteen fifty three,
1:00:37
that was like the prediction that the Brotherhood of Light was going to show
1:00:44
up and rapture up all of these all the people that were involved in this
1:00:50
cult, and that they were going to go to their planet because there was
1:00:53
a giant natural disaster happening. We've heard that in all of the euphology's history
1:01:00
about the disasters and needing of genetic material. And then it gets more extreme
1:01:06
with you know, people like the Heaven's Gate called where they were like,
1:01:10
yeah, and a group of extraterrestrial ships are going to come and abduct everyone
1:01:15
and then they're going to be transformed into an extraterrestrial and the next evolutionary level
1:01:21
above human. But I never understood that, because, well, that's an
1:01:27
important part. That's the eternal, eternal life that Christ promises you another version
1:01:32
like the rapture. But if you're going to be turned into an extraterrestrial and
1:01:37
you're going to live in another dimension, another planet, wouldn't they just make
1:01:40
you a terrestrial. It would make you an extraterrestrial. It's only from a
1:01:45
human perspective. I don't see that. That's another thing about extraterrestrial. The
1:01:49
word, I think, in regard to what you were saying earlier about national
1:01:52
security and other words that have these different meanings, extraterrestrial to a lot of
1:01:55
people, I think it's almost like it's a different species in the sense that
1:02:00
you know, I'm going to become an elephant, I'm going to become an
1:02:04
extraterrestrial. It's like that's just a term that refers to something that's not from
1:02:07
here. It doesn't refer to it like the Hollywood alien. So I think
1:02:13
there's another term you can add to the mix, extrara I'm going to turn
1:02:15
I'm going to be turned into extraterrestrial. What does that mean? You're going
1:02:19
to you want to be a reptoid, an insect? I don't know what
1:02:22
that means. Man, it really blows my mind. It means that they're
1:02:27
going to give up their citizenship and go to a different country. And that's
1:02:30
what an extraterrestrial means. Extra trustal just means extra territory. And guess what's
1:02:37
outside of our borders? Yeah, extra territory, extra land. What's to
1:02:42
the south of us? Right, what's to the north of us? It's
1:02:45
land outside of our land. That's all extraterrestrial means. You know what that
1:02:50
actually, now that you put it that way there. I wrote this in
1:02:52
my cult Arcana book too. I talked about the land to the west of
1:02:58
Egypt, the land to the there's a lot of cultures to the west of
1:03:04
whatever ocean. It could have been the Mediterranean, it could have been the
1:03:07
Sea of Japan, it could have been anywhere in the world. And like
1:03:10
usually, it was to the west the land of the dead, which because
1:03:13
that's where the you know, the sun goes down, So where the sun
1:03:16
goes down in the west, that's the land of the dead. There's always
1:03:17
some mystical land west of whatever the land mass was, and that mystical land
1:03:24
was the land of the gods, where the gods would take you and you
1:03:29
would be able to live in that other extraterrestrial world. So, I mean
1:03:34
even I'd never thought about that, even, you know, based on that
1:03:37
mythos, the Ufon narrative is stripped right out of the old ideas of the
1:03:43
underworld, which is I guess where shamanism comes from anyway, but it's stripped
1:03:45
to the old ideas of the underworld being taken to a mystical land far away
1:03:49
that nobody can see unless they have the eyes to see, and they're taken
1:03:52
there, usually usually on a boat, a giant flying ship otherwise known as
1:03:59
Sharon's Sharon's boat or ros boat or whatever the case is. There there's another
1:04:02
part of the myth thos. That's what's going on, and I hope people,
1:04:10
I hope people get it, and I hope people realize it, because
1:04:13
that's that's all that it means. That's what extra trestrial is, that's what
1:04:16
extra transtrial means. Whenever the crash retrieval theme over the reverse engineering, the
1:04:23
reverse engineering could just mean reverse engineering of some ancient technology or something that they
1:04:30
discovered from a really long time ago, hundreds of years ago, or from
1:04:34
a different country. You know, national security threat is if other countries figure
1:04:38
out that it's our technology and it's not this extraterrestrial technology that has been this
1:04:43
alien technology that people think that it is, and then that exposes us because
1:04:47
there's nothing that you can do about alien technology. There's nothing you can do
1:04:50
about visitors from off world because there's so much more advanced than us, right,
1:04:55
But there is something that you can do about humans and human craft.
1:04:59
That's why they don't want to let the count out of the bag. That's
1:05:00
why this mythos in, this extraterrestrial mythology has taken root because it serves as
1:05:09
the best cover story for real military advanced programs and more than likely drones,
1:05:16
drone operated technology and that is not manned but is probably by now weaponized well
1:05:26
for modern accounts especially right. Yeah, there was a cult, the Cult
1:05:30
of Universal Medicine, with this guy, serge Ben Haynes. He came up
1:05:40
with the entire ideology of his cult while taking a dump. Are you serious?
1:05:45
That's real? Real? Maybe that's where the Maybe that's what Chris Carter
1:05:50
wrote that why he wrote that in the X Files that one episode. Yep,
1:05:55
that's funny. Unbelievable. Well, Ryan, thanks so much for coming
1:05:59
on. Brother. I really appreci s your time to see you. And
1:06:00
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