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SMNTY Classics: Sex and the City and SMNTY · Stuff Mom Never Told You

• 0:05
  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha.
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  Speaker 2: I'm welcome to stuff. I never told you are protection
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  Speaker 2: if I heared you and today I thought I would
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  Speaker 2: bring back this is an oldie kind of uh on
• 0:25
  Speaker 2: when we first talked about Sex and City on this
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  Speaker 2: show before we'd like started our journey watching it, which,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, we started in November twenty twenty one.
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  Speaker 1: We're only in season three, aren't we.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, slow rowing, but we're moving along.
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  Speaker 3: Is this our ode to the fact that and just
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  Speaker 3: like that just got canceled?
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  Speaker 4: Annie?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, well I don't know if it was canceled, but
• 0:52
  Speaker 2: it's over. I don't know the specific details. Sure, yes, yes,
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  Speaker 2: but also we haven't been able to do our watch
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  Speaker 2: episodes of Sex in the City in a while, but
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  Speaker 2: rest shirt, we have not forgotten. It will come back.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to really have to rack my brains for
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  Speaker 2: when you ask me what happened.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to give you a huge heads up.
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  Speaker 4: Because I don't usually look it up, but I might
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  Speaker 4: have to. That could be funny. I'm not gonna.
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  Speaker 1: Remember either, because I can't remember what episode was.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 2: No, but yes, we will return to it, and it's
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  Speaker 2: always fun to hear from you all about this and
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  Speaker 2: about the impact it had on you what character you are,
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  Speaker 2: and this was kind of the beginning of that.
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  Speaker 4: So please enjoy this classic episode.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. How come to stuff
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  Speaker 2: I've never told you? Production of iHeartRadio. So today I'm
• 2:05
  Speaker 2: very excited about what we're talking about. We are talking
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  Speaker 2: about Sex and the City because, as a lot of
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  Speaker 2: you probably heard, it is getting an HBO mini series
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  Speaker 2: reboot seventeen years after it ended. Also, as you've probably heard,
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  Speaker 2: Kim Cattrall's not going to be in it, but we
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  Speaker 2: thought we would take a look at the show. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm very excited about this for a lot of reasons.
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  Speaker 2: But one of them is Samantha and I are coming
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  Speaker 2: from very different places. So I have very little experience
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  Speaker 2: with this, and you, Samantha, you have a lot. And
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to ask as the question for the day,
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  Speaker 2: like when did you get into Sex and the City,
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  Speaker 2: Like how did it get on your radar?
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  Speaker 4: That whole thing.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so just go ahead and preface this. This is
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  Speaker 3: where our age difference is very obvious. Our interest for sure,
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  Speaker 3: we've kind of known that we have different interests, but
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  Speaker 3: our age difference.
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  Speaker 1: I think it really highlights this.
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  Speaker 3: Specifically through this because of course it came out in
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  Speaker 3: ninety five, which I was fifteen at that point in time,
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  Speaker 3: and of course I lived in the boonies of LJ, Georgia,
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  Speaker 3: did not have cable, barely even had internet because I
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  Speaker 3: had to travel in high school to my friends' homes
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  Speaker 3: so I could write papers and research because I did
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  Speaker 3: not have internet at home. So I say this and
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  Speaker 3: that it took me five to six years to discover
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  Speaker 3: the show, and because it was being replayed on things
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  Speaker 3: like what is now CW, so they would have the
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  Speaker 3: edited versions in syndicate and replayed, And I think I
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  Speaker 3: did get into it before the movie actually came out.
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  Speaker 3: Everything about this process seems to have some kind of
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  Speaker 3: drama because of the Sex and the City movie didn't
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  Speaker 3: actually happen until years later after it ended, after the
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  Speaker 3: show ended, so I definitely got caught up in it
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  Speaker 3: watching the series, and it wasn't until I think after
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  Speaker 3: or the middle of college that I really started watching
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  Speaker 3: it and really started getting obsessed with it. I got
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  Speaker 3: obsessed with it enough that I bought all the DVDs.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm going to say tour the finale timeframe, so
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  Speaker 3: probably a couple of years after it actually ended, maybe
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  Speaker 3: a year after it ended. I really got into it
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  Speaker 3: and I was like, oh, I need to see all
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  Speaker 3: of these I love everything about this.
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  Speaker 1: Why can't this be my life?
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  Speaker 3: And again sheltered Samantha, who's very religious through college, So
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  Speaker 3: definitely it was very inward and isolated when it came
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  Speaker 3: to the real world. I'll put this in quotes because
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  Speaker 3: we all know this is not the real world, but
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  Speaker 3: in my head, sure it was. You know, so I
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  Speaker 3: definitely fell for this around that point in time.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, I actually, in honor.
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  Speaker 3: Of this episode, started rewatching the entire series and ong
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  Speaker 3: we're just gonna leave it there. I will say I
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  Speaker 3: never did make it to the second movie because the
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  Speaker 3: first movie was uh yeah, oh yeah.
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  Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about that a little bit. And I
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  Speaker 2: say that I act as if I've seen it. I
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  Speaker 2: have not, so yeah, and Samantha was she was even
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  Speaker 2: workshopping a show where you're gonna rewatch all the episodes
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  Speaker 2: and comments on them.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Well, one of the reason was because I was with
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  Speaker 3: a group of friends who happens to be for women
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  Speaker 3: in our early thirties, late twenties. This is when this
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  Speaker 3: was in my head and we were talking about sex,
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  Speaker 3: and it was like for a couple of the women
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  Speaker 3: that was there, it was brand new for them to
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  Speaker 3: talk about their own personal sex life because it's not
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  Speaker 3: something that happens. So when we were sitting there talking,
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  Speaker 3: I started thinking about the fact that this feels like
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  Speaker 3: an episode.
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  Speaker 1: Of sex and this City. What the hell? But because it.
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  Speaker 3: Is such a ridiculous show looking back, what I really
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  Speaker 3: wanted to do was having an old host, Caroline, who
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  Speaker 3: was so cynical and so funny and so sardonic as
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  Speaker 3: I am, I to sit there because she's never seen
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  Speaker 3: these either, I believe, so that we would sit there
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  Speaker 3: and watch them and just have I guess YouTube about
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  Speaker 3: reactions and commentary, because I think it'd be hilarious. It
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  Speaker 3: is so ridiculous, and caroline reaction and my reactions to
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  Speaker 3: things are so over the top, and then having you,
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  Speaker 3: who would be like blushing half the time would be
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  Speaker 3: hilarious to me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I did watch the first episode last night for
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  Speaker 2: this and I was blushing.
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  Speaker 4: I was embarrassed. I was alone and blushing at this show.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I've only seen parts of two episodes. I
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  Speaker 2: remember them very well though, because there was one where
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  Speaker 2: Samantha is at like a birthday party and Carrie needs
• 6:14
  Speaker 2: her helped getting out her diaphragm.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I was.
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  Speaker 3: A kid, and I was like, whoa, those are two
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  Speaker 3: different episodes.
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  Speaker 2: But yes, oh really yes, Well then I don't know
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  Speaker 2: what I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 1: No, but you're correct.
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  Speaker 3: So Samantha at the birthday party is a birthday party
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  Speaker 3: for Miranda's son Brady, his first birthday party, and she
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  Speaker 3: uh dies for bush.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, and she does warn into the clown here. That's
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  Speaker 4: what I yes.
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  Speaker 1: And then they call her Boso the Bush.
• 6:40
  Speaker 3: Oh wow, call it Boso the bush actually because it
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  Speaker 3: turns orange.
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  Speaker 1: And then the carry episode was in season two, I.
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  Speaker 3: Believe because she's hiding the fact that she's back with
• 6:49
  Speaker 3: mister Big.
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  Speaker 2: Oh see, I love this. I love when we do
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  Speaker 2: an episode where one of us is like way more
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  Speaker 2: of an expert.
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  Speaker 3: Ridiculous one. I'm really sad that this is my expertise.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you. Oh I'm bad about it.
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  Speaker 2: And then I remember one where like Charlotte is trying
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  Speaker 2: to get out there, like carrying her out of some
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  Speaker 2: kind of like self help talk. Oh, yeah, and Carrie's like,
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  Speaker 2: she's out there. Trust me, if she's out there, I
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  Speaker 2: remember that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the whole like self fulfillment.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, because she's trying to find a.
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  Speaker 1: Man, her husband.
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  Speaker 2: And then I do remember some kind of sex class
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  Speaker 2: one with old people.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I just watched that last night.
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  Speaker 4: Oh so that's early on. I huh.
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  Speaker 3: So the diaphim one and the sex class is in
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  Speaker 3: seasons one through two. The Samantha one is obviously later
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  Speaker 3: because the kid is involved. And then Charlotte this is
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  Speaker 3: after her divorce.
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  Speaker 1: So this was also like mid like probably season three
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  Speaker 1: or four or five.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I got this is awesome.
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  Speaker 2: So well, I can't figure out how I saw them
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  Speaker 2: because I also didn't have cable and I didn't really
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  Speaker 2: have TV either, But somehow, some way, I remember I
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  Speaker 2: told you this story, Samantha that in my high school,
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  Speaker 2: we had a Civics teacher, Nicks. She was like a
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  Speaker 2: sweet older lady and she loved sex and the city
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  Speaker 2: and she wasn't shy about letting people know, and it
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  Speaker 2: was kind of the source of gossip around the school
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  Speaker 2: that she liked sex in the city.
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  Speaker 4: And when I was in Australia.
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  Speaker 2: I have a really funny memory of I managed to
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  Speaker 2: convince half the group I was with so that they
• 8:18
  Speaker 2: were like kind of us to see the movie the
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  Speaker 2: m Night Shyamalan film The Happening, which many of you
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  Speaker 2: probably remember was awful, and the other half went to
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  Speaker 2: see the Sex and the City movie. And afterwards everyone
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  Speaker 2: but me, even the people who didn't see the Sex
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  Speaker 2: and the City movie, agreed that the Sex and the
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  Speaker 2: City movie was the better choice, and I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: maybe was shorter. I'm sure it was more fun even
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  Speaker 2: if it was bad.
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  Speaker 1: You know, for what it was.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't awful, Like it really wasn't, but there was definitely,
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  Speaker 3: just like in the show, a lot of problematic things
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  Speaker 3: in this one as well, including the fat shaming for
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  Speaker 3: Samantha because she gained half a pound, like she barely
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  Speaker 3: had a pudge that you it was obvious that they
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  Speaker 3: had to do a dress that was a cy smaller
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  Speaker 3: than what she wore to push out her stomach and
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  Speaker 3: you can see her stomach and they all make fun
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  Speaker 3: of our It's kind of like I remember looking at
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  Speaker 3: that and like, she that's gating weight because Dan, we
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  Speaker 3: couldn't be friends.
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  Speaker 2: I've noticed that because I've been rewatching Seinfeld lately, which
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  Speaker 2: is where I learned a lot about sex. And it's
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  Speaker 2: funny to me, like in the nineties, I feel like
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  Speaker 2: there was this like super thin women being fat shamed.
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  Speaker 4: You're like, what right? So Sex and the City was.
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  Speaker 2: It was huge, and it was in part behind several
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  Speaker 2: trends that I've talked about on the other show I
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  Speaker 2: do saver the Cosmopolitan, the drink. Yeah, Sex and the
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  Speaker 2: City popularized that the cupcake boom.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Sex and the City and brunch in part.
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  Speaker 2: And some critics actually give this show the credit for
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  Speaker 2: kickstarting HBO's rise.
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  Speaker 3: Wait, but wasn't the Wire on before that? And the Sopranos,
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  Speaker 3: And both of those are.
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  Speaker 2: HBO, So I feel like Sopranos came around the same time.
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  Speaker 2: And actually that leads to my next point, which is
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  Speaker 2: critics a lot of times they point out the how
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  Speaker 2: Sex and the City got kind of treated as this frivolous,
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  Speaker 2: guilty pleasure that you should be ashamed of, whereas the
• 10:05
  Speaker 2: Sopranos got all this critical acclaim and people have pointed
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  Speaker 2: out like, well, one of them is masculine and violent
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  Speaker 2: and aggressive, and the others like feminine and funny and
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  Speaker 2: comedic and romantic and which one do we give more
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  Speaker 2: gravitas to or think is worth awards? And yeah, Sex
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  Speaker 2: and the City was very very feminine. It was like
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  Speaker 2: brashly feminine. So there's a lot of interesting discourse around that.
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  Speaker 2: And then some people suggest that Carrie Bradshaw was one
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  Speaker 2: of the first popular female anti heroes on TV, but.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it took a long time for her to
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  Speaker 3: get Yeah, originally everybody wanted to be her, but then
• 10:43
  Speaker 3: it became, oh god, she's seriously annoying.
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: Why won't she stop talking?
• 10:47
  Speaker 3: And it could be very well the case that it
• 10:51
  Speaker 3: kind of latched onto who Sarah Jessica Parker was, and
• 10:54
  Speaker 3: she started getting rumored as being not difficult necessarily because
• 10:57
  Speaker 3: people love her, but she demanded her do like she
• 11:02
  Speaker 3: asked for higher pay, she wanted the credit. She carried
• 11:05
  Speaker 3: the show essentially for the long while. And that's kind
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  Speaker 3: of that whole thing is not only did that personality
• 11:12
  Speaker 3: start kind of getting annoying because there's only so much
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  Speaker 3: that you want to hear someone complain about themselves, and
• 11:19
  Speaker 3: she kind of did, like towards the end, remind me
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  Speaker 3: of friends that only came to talk to me about
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  Speaker 3: their love life. You know, you people have friends like that,
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  Speaker 3: but she's better than that. But it does start grading
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  Speaker 3: on you.
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  Speaker 1: But I think it also.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of seeps in in that people had all of
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  Speaker 3: these rumor mills to hate Sarah Esca Parker at that
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  Speaker 3: point in time, and it was interesting to see.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and even now, actually, I.
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  Speaker 3: Guess, so let's go ahead and jump into what it is.
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  Speaker 1: I'm very excited about this, y'all.
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  Speaker 3: So Sex and the City premiered in nineteen ninety eight
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  Speaker 3: on HP, which I thought was ninety five, so I'm
• 12:02
  Speaker 3: way off. I guess I was leaving high school when
• 12:04
  Speaker 3: this came home and then ran until two thousand and four.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, all of these were syndicated on regular cable network,
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  Speaker 3: so very heavily edited.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, really odd.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure, hilariously strange.
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  Speaker 3: And by the way, most of these episodes only last
• 12:18
  Speaker 3: twenty five minutes anyway, less than thirty minutes, so I
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  Speaker 3: guess it was like eighteen minutes with tons of commercials.
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  Speaker 3: So interesting, and overall the course of its run, there
• 12:27
  Speaker 3: was like ninety four episodes for over six seasons. Of course,
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  Speaker 3: the first in this last season, I think we're a
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  Speaker 3: little lesser. No, the last season was pretty long.
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  Speaker 4: They had fewer episodes.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the first season had very few episodes, like since
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  Speaker 3: it was the pilot season. And of course two movies,
• 12:42
  Speaker 3: one in two thousand and eight, which yeah, four years
• 12:44
  Speaker 3: after the finale, and then the other in twenty ten,
• 12:48
  Speaker 3: a CW prequel series called The Carry Diaries, so which
• 12:51
  Speaker 3: I don't think lasted very long only yeah right, yeah, see,
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  Speaker 3: it lasted from twenty thirteen to twenty fourteen. And now
• 12:57
  Speaker 3: we're talking about the new limited series which is going
• 12:59
  Speaker 3: to be and just like that, which is how she
• 13:02
  Speaker 3: kind of agan ended her movie stuff, I think. And
• 13:04
  Speaker 3: so it's an interesting take. And of course that's going
• 13:07
  Speaker 3: to be without Kim Katrol And if you've seen all
• 13:10
  Speaker 3: the memes about who they want to replace her, it's
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  Speaker 3: quite fun.
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  Speaker 4: I have not, but I am eager to look that up.
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  Speaker 2: The show was created by Darren Starr, who's an openly
• 13:19
  Speaker 2: gay man, an executive produced by Michael Patrick King, who's
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  Speaker 2: also an openly gay man, and written largely by white women,
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  Speaker 2: who was in part adapted from Candace Bushnell's columns from
• 13:29
  Speaker 2: The New York Server. So Candace Bushnell, Carrie Bradshaw, who
• 13:32
  Speaker 2: was a self described sexual anthropologist who published a compilation
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  Speaker 2: of these columns in her nineteen ninety seven book titled
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  Speaker 2: Sex and the City. The show garnered fifty four IMMI
• 13:41
  Speaker 2: nominations maybe fifty five somewhere in there, and twenty four
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  Speaker 2: Golden Globe nominations and numerous other awards, and has been
• 13:47
  Speaker 2: named by more than one critic as one of the
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: best television series of all time. For two years, it
• 13:53
  Speaker 2: was the highest rated comedy on cable television and time.
• 13:56
  Speaker 2: At one point, I had the four leading characters on the
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  Speaker 2: cover with the headline who needs a husband?
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 3: Which is really funny because the whole show is pretty
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  Speaker 3: much based on men, huh, but also not needing men,
• 14:11
  Speaker 3: like not having men, being without men. It's the whole thing.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, So, speaking of which, the plot, so it
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  Speaker 3: follows three women in their thirties, which is Carrie, Miranda,
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  Speaker 3: and Charlotte, and one in her forties but she doesn't
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  Speaker 3: ever tell really as they navigate their relationships and sex
• 14:28
  Speaker 3: of course in New York City. Yeah, man, I definitely
• 14:32
  Speaker 3: wanted to be in New York City. I thought that
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: was the life, right, yeah. When the show first begins,
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: only Charlotte is interested in marriage. Of course, she is
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: the for lack of better words, debutante of New York,
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  Speaker 3: the sweet wasp that really desperately wants to have a family.
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  Speaker 3: But they all have jobs that they enjoy, which is
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: really incredible, right, yeah, in itself, and friendships they find meaningful.
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  Speaker 3: And I do appreciate that the friendships between the four
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: main character are at the part of the show, so
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: they were generally supportive.
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  Speaker 1: And kind to each other.
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  Speaker 3: They made each other laugh, It is amazing, and they
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: have a great time. As book ended yes with Carrie's
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: narration of her sex column as a way to frame
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: the episodes. Her first question, what if women had sex
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: like men? Ooh, which is what I was like. Okay,
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: you have to watch the first episode because it lays
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: out kind of the whole frame of the show. And
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: she writes recreationally and selfishly, with no need for emotional connection,
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  Speaker 3: zero expectations of commitment, and little regard for the.
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  Speaker 1: Feelings of their partners.
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  Speaker 3: And of course she gives that example by hooking up
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: with an ex that she was madly in love with, apparently,
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: and then just walking away from him.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, when the show debuted, it was new in
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: a lot of ways, especially when it came to depictions
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  Speaker 2: of women and sex. It was one of the first
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: shows to have female characters in it that were over
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  Speaker 2: thirty and weren't in this big rush to get married.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: It was for the most part very anti settling. That
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: kind of changed, it progressed, but and it highlighted other
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: ways women could find fulfillment, whether it was a job
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: or a friend. It was one of their first shows
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  Speaker 2: to focus on female friendship. Relationships and sex often do
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: come up as topics of conversation in this, but so
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: did things like infertility, motherhood, cancer, and career struggles, particularly
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: as women of a quote certain age, and women really
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: identified with these characters since the I'm Miranda or I'm
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: a carry.
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's hilarious because it definitely seeped into
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: pop culture to use that as a term, and people
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: knew what that was like it said it in thirty Rock.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: They made sure to.
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: Make fun of them as a whole episode and women
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: coming together and being feminine, girlly and giggly.
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really funny because at the end we're going
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: to go over like our test results or own quizes,
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: and I got like.
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: Not at all what I would have said. I would
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: have got it for me.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: It was yeah, I knew this for you.
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: I was like, wait what, Yeah, no, I was. I
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: was shocked. I was like, really, this is news to me.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: So each episode usually has four plots, one for each character,
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: two of them superficial, one of those sexulated, then too deeper,
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: and Carrie's almost always one of these two deeper storylines.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: And all of these storylines are intertwined with Carrie's voiceover.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: And I wanted to shout out Emily Nussbaum at The
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: New Yorker for a great breakdown. I used a lot
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: of what she wrote throughout this, So here's a quote
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: from her article. The Ford Friends operated as nearer allegorical
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: figures peg to contemporary debates about women's lives, mapped along
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: three overlapping continuums. The first was emotional. Carrie and Charlotte
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: were romantics, Miranda and Samantha were cynics. The second was ideological.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: Brandon and Carrie were second wave feminists who believed in egalitarianism.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: Charlotte and Samantha were third wave feminists focused on exploiting
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: the power of femininity from opposing angles. The third concern
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: sex itself. At first, Miranda and Charlotte were pruds, while
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: Samantha and Carrie were libertines. Unsettlingly, as the show progressed,
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: Carrie began to glide toward caution away from freedom out
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: of fear.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that was one of the biggest conversations.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: Is she slowly changed from let's explore this to no,
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: I can't. And it seemed like maybe it's normal, that's
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: kind of like the growth, maturity whatever whatnot. But she
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: was the only one out of the three that seemed
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: like it was a thing. Maybe I overstate that as well.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's talk about the characters. Let's talk about
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: Carrie Bradshaw Lade by Sarah Jessica Parker, the show's protagonist, and,
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: not too surprisingly, towards the end of the series, she
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: was the least liked, probably of all the women. She
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: was supposed to be a sexpert, but her constant inability
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: to communicate without playing the perfect mystery girl caused a
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: lot of issues in most of, if not all, of
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: her relationships. Though she was successful and a somewhat well
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: known writer, her constant shopping habit kept her in seemingly
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: lots of debt. Definitely did make sense with her nice apartment,
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: though it was rent controlled for a long while.
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: I've seen a lot of articles about how much that department.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Would cost and constant going out and spending, and her
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: column seemed ridiculously short and they were weekly, so.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: Question, I know a lot of those. I was like
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: willing suspension of disbelief. At the same time, I was like,
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: this is unrealistic and really irritating as an adult because
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: how did she make way?
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: Yes, how do you get that money?
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: Especially as a social worker who was like, I want
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: to be these women, What the hell?
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: How are you doing this right?
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: According to a recent screen Rant article, Miranda, who was
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: played by Cynthia X and Miranda Hobbs, is the most
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: relatable of all the women, and honestly, I would agree
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: as all of the quizzes I take would actually tell
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: you so yeah, if you that's a head hint. She
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: is the strong willed, pessimistic but realistic friend of the bunch.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: She loves her job as a lawyer, gets tired of
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: talking about men all the time, and what's very realistic
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: pessimistic about her relationships and even her being a mom.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: So it's kind of refreshing during this time of like
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: trying to have it all, that she really didn't want
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: it all and she was kind of tired of it
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: except for these specific things. Also irritating she got it
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: all somehow, she didn't want it whatever.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Even in the movies, one of.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: Her best scenes is her unkempt bush scene.
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and the reality that she doesn't have time. She
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: doesn't have time for this maintenance. And we'll talk about
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: it a little bit later, but she talks about her
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: struggles with her marriage, and some of the women imply
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: that maybe because of this, her unwillingness to keep up
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: herself is the downfall of her marriage, so a whole
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: other thing, and the reality is that she doesn't have
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: that time.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: She is a full.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: Time partner in a law firm, you know, and a
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: mother and trying to do all these things. Interestingly, though
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: in the early seasons she was the least light like,
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: she came off as the most abrasive and makes be
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: the man hating one from the bunch, always talking about
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: how men are awful, which, you know, whatever. But as
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: we said, like that actually changed in the more recent
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: times I guess.
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: And then there's Charlotte Yorke played by Kristin Davis, who
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: is the art curator. It's her dream to be a
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: wife and then a She's the feminine romantic of the
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: bunch who hoards and devours every.
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: How to get a man in New York Book.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: She is definitely a cautionary tale of getting what she
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: want rushing in as her marriage to Trey, those seems
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: picturesque at first ends up being a tale of failure
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: and of course horrible mother in law's. Though she does
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: finally find her man, it's not ideal. Her difficulty in
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: conceiving seemed to be the most relatable storyline in the
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: sense of her struggles and her different ventures and trying,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: though like everything else, she still gets her happy ending
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: in the movie.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: Right, just to put that in there, But yeah, I
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: think it was really interesting to see them portray that struggle.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: So it was really not heartwarming, It was interesting to
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: watch Kristin Davis really turn on that dramatic portion of
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: who she was going from being I want everything to
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: be perfect and I can't have it, and what does
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: this look like?
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: In her struggles and I.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: Thought it was fairly realistic, as during this time frame
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: I had friends who are struggling to and it was
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: kind of like, yeah, that's that's kind of how it looked, yeah,
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: from the outside. So going on Samantha Jones played by
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: Kim Cattrall, I think she's probably the most l liked
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: by a lot of the viewers. Samantha is a no nonsense,
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: straight to the point, gets what she wants type of woman, which.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: According to Carrie, makes her have the same self.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: Delusion that give men quote like Russ Perrot the confidence
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: to run for president. And I know that's kind of
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: a dated reference, but yeah, he was quite a caricature
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: way back when. But I thought it was an interesting
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: way of her describing Samantha. They do give her some
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: depth with her relationship with Smith Jarrett and trying to
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: find herself as so well as her storyline of being
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: a breast cancer survivor and what that looks like. But
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: it's her brashness and just overall love sex that make
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: her the character people slash women love for sure, right, Yeah,
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: a lot of sex puns, I hear, yes, so many,
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: so many funs.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I wanted to read this quote because it
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: cracked me up. I will not be judged by you
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: or society. I will wear whatever I want and blow
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: whomever I want as long as I can breathe a
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: new That's Samantha Jones quote, and I saw him up
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: in a lot of things.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: Well, this actually begins to like when we were talking
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: about Carrie becoming a little more not prudish necessarily, but
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: more conservative.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: She walks it on Samantha giving a package.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: Man a blow job, and the reaction they have is
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: a whole storyline between Samantha feeling judged by her so
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: I thought it was interesting as well. But yes, that
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: is one of the best lines. I think there are
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: so many good lines that Samantha says in these things.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: But we also wanted to kind of revisit a couple
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: of the episodes, because every time we talked about doing this,
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: I would bring up an episode and I really wanted
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: you to watch specific episodes, but it was too late.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: By this point. And again, there's so many, so many episodes.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: You're like, uh, I know you're watching and writing and
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: reading other things, so I wouldn't put that on you.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: But I thought some of the episodes that are very
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: telling of the show is like the farting episode, which
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: is called the drought because each women are going through
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: a where they're not having sex, so they're talking about
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: what they're doing and how they're not.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Having sex or whatnot.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: And the beginning catalyst for Carrie is that she and
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: Big are together. Everything's sweet and nice. Is she farts
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: because she gets too comfortable, and that begins to be Oh,
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: he doesn't see me as a romantic. He sees me
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: as one of the boys. We're not gonna have sex.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: We didn't have sex for three days in a row.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: Oh my god.
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: Oh no.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And so is this whole thing.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: At one point, when she tells each of the girls
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: and she does it separately, this is where it is
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: irritating you hear her story three different times because she
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: tells every one of the women these issues, except she
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: couldn't do it with Charlie because Charlotte would quote unquote
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: have a heart attack. She didn't want to make her
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: head explode, essentially, but she talks to each one of them.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: At one point, Samantha's like, no, no, no, no, no,
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: You've made.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: A huge mistake.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: When men don't want to know that women fart or
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: poop or douche, which.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: By the way, don't please don't.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: But yeah, like this whole thing is like wow, this
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: narrative really and healthy. They don't change it at all
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: in the end, Like, of course it's a bigger issue
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: because Miranda to the rescue says, oh my god, it's
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: not about the part she actually said that, and like
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: comes to the reality of like women do things, They're
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: gonna have to get over it, and she you know,
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: talks about what really is the issue. But I thought
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: that was interesting that in these episodes, as open as
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: they were, that they are still talking about this as
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: if it's a real thing. They're like, uh, that's really problematic.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: Maybe you should not teach women, right, but this is
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: a thing. As well as the fact they had a
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: whole episode where they had a wild girl settle meaning
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: and getting married and having a baby and kind of
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: like the woman regretting having a baby and wanting to
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: be a partier. It was a whole different thing, and
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: it felt very problematic in putting women against each other
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: those who do want to be you know, like it
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: was too weird, Like huh, I don't know how I
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: stol about this. And of course we're gonna talk a
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: little bit more about it. But the episode with this
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: girl boy girl boy, which is the whole bisexual episode,
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: and it's very problematic and really sad to see that.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: We I think we fell into it, and because they
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: were making jokes of it, right and we're gonna talk
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: more about it, we were just like, okay, yeah, absolutely,
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: choose one. Pick one, which are you And we're not realizing, hey,
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: you're causing a problem. We need to readdress some of
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: these things. But yeah, those were some of the episodes
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: that really brought into oh yeah, as much as I
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: love these oh cringe.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And we're definitely gonna dig into those problematic troops.
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: And we do have some stats for you.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: But first let's pause for a quick break for our sponsors,
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: and we're back.
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: Thank you sponsors.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, we did want to go briefly over some
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: statistics because I thought it was interesting.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: It is so according to articles from sources like BuzzFeed,
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: which by the way, a chunk of our quizzes come from,
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: and The New York Times, over the course of ninety
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: four episodes, the four friends had somewhere between ninety five
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: or maybe ninety four and one woman to one hundred
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: and seven partners. That sounds exhausting. I'm just gonna say
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: that it breaks down roughly like that. So Carrie and
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: Charlotte have eighteen partners, Marinda had seventeen, and Samantha on.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: The show had forty one.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: But she definitely has an episode where they talk about
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: getting tested for HIV where she starts counting and can't
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: find the numbers. There are somewhere around ninety six sex
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: scenes in these series, and by the way, all of
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: them are ridiculously caricatures of what sex looks like it
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: is if you're a young child, which you talked about.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: This is really bad. I really hope this didn't influence
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: how you thought sex was.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I'm gonna get into that line.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: And a lot of these partners are artists or bankers
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: or lawyers, are very successful that you that wasn't were
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: either younger boys who may have been bartenders, and that
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: seems to be you know, the lesser I guess, yeah,
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: I do not think it is pretty much except for Steve,
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: who is the adult who has a bar, who later.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Owns a bar.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Huh.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: Starts off as a bartender, and then it also becomes
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: a point of contention between her and him and Miranda
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: because of her job and making money. But then the
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: rest of them, I think are younger bartenders and the
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: bigger players are really wealthy.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can find a chart of how many artists
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: did they date Hominy Bank.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: It exists and they're all successful artists.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Beddoes, yes, of course, so just before I the average
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: American has nine sexual partners throughout their lifetime, but according
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: to some surveys, the average New Yorker has twice as much.
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: Sex as all national average.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: And people who know about this, I think it has
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: to do with a lessoned stigma around being a single
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: woman in York and larger social circles.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: There's more people to choose from, which makes sense to me. Right.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: There is a chart that tracks the main character's profanity too,
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: and not surprisingly, samanthas on.
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: Top, but Carrie Miranda pretty close, pretty close.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: I would have thought Miranda would be behind Samantha.
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, they're pretty close.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: There's also a chart that tracks the brand dimensions when
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: it comes to fashion, which is a big part of
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: the show and used to paint pictures of these characters like,
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: who are these characters just by looking at the fashion
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: you can kind of get a sense.
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: Apparently only one brand was used.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: Twice, but Manolo Blanix, I have no idea.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: But let's talk about some of these problematic tropes as
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: we promised, starting with the white feminism of the show.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: Gets a lot of critique of that, and racism right
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: as a part of that.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So we couldn't talk about this without addressing for
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: people who haven't seen the show, the elephant in the
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: room in regards to race, and that yes, it is
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: based on all white women's perspective and for the most part,
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: a very heteronormative, misogynistic perspective.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: And we say misogynistic because the viewpoint is literally based
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: on how would this man look at me?
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: It's a very male gayzy still.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, So in one of the early episodes.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: In season three, we are really badly written episode of
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: Samantha dating a very attractive black man. And when I
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: say badly written, I mean it's obvious that a white
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: person decided they could write for African American vernacular for
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: them like it is bad and with all of their
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: bad judgment, the dialogue is cringey. Everything from having Samantha
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: say something like, I've got to give me some of that.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, And when it is addressed by Charlotte, you
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: can't say that.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Don't say that.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: The response is, oh, stop with your liberal knee jerk reaction.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: So you're like, okay, immediately all right to the male character,
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: which they do hook up, by the way, Samantha, this
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: is her being open minded, I think to him screaming when.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: She starts fighting with his sister, who is a black woman,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: let's all be chill. Let's just be chilled, chill, and
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: it's just like so bad. Then you're like, oh, what
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: is that? Why are they doing this?
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: And I knew this in the early two thousands, so sorry,
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: And can we also go ahead and address this ever
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: annoying trope of reverse racism, which is what they put
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: in here in this episode the Finleyville plot line that
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: his sister won't let him date Samantha because she's white,
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: and as the sister explains, it's the black thing you
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: wouldn't understand. So not only do they put that in there,
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: that's the reason it is just such an awful way
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: to address this issue. And as in fact, I read
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: an article from the actress that portrayed this character, saying
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: this was her first job and she took it because
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: she was so excited.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: First of all, she needed a job.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: Secondly, sex in the city was huge at that time,
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: and thirdly, she wanted to be dressed in part of
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: that culture. And though she had really good interactions behind
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: the scenes, like apparently kin Control was really kind and
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: kept telling her how amazing she was doing.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: She read the plodge, she read the lines.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: She was like, oh, well, okay, I guess, And it
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: kind of addresses back at that point in time when
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: people of color would take on these characters just because
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: they had to. Yeah, and they would have to shrug
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: it off and be like, all right, well, this is
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: what they want. They have to get paid, you know.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: It was an interesting conversation. She's like, I really wish
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: and I knew then that this was really bad, but
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: it didn't matter because I wanted to try to be
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: an actor.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: So yeah, that episode, yeah, yeah, I read about that
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: one too, and like the Angry Black Woman, And not
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: only that, but even the depiction of Robert, who is
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: one of Miranda's love interests ends up being an angry
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: black man, which is, yeah, not good.
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: It's not a good look.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: At first you're like, oh, how sweet, and then it
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: ends with him being the angry black man that just
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: storms off, and it's just kind of like, oh why.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's really not any good representation in this,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: even the depiction of Asian women. In one episode, they
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: talk of class systems still existing and how it matters
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: in relationships, and as an example, they not towards the
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: women who are giving all of the manicures, meaning they
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: were lesser. Also, within the same episode, we have the
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: fetishized Asian woman who is a servant to a white man.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: And they call her a servant, so it's kind of like, ah,
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: and she also has this very traditional Asian clothes while
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: she's serving them, so it's kind of like wow, y'all.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah wow.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: Also, just to put it out there, Kim Gatrall did
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: say that if they did have a remake, they should
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: actually make one of the characters a black character because
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: there was so little representation and it was so blaringly
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: obvious how little there was.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we also wanted to talk about queer depictions in
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: the show, starting with transphobia.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: So one of the things about it was a specific episode,
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: which is Samantha versus the trans prostitutes that work behind
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: her area in the meatpacking district of New York, and
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: just the language used within these episodes, yeah, I have
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: to turn it off. And that way they are just
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: fairly disrespectful of the whole thing and the way they
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: depict these women, it's really sad because it makes them
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: again a caricature. And of course all of them but
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: one are fans women of color, so it's kind of like,
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: really all had to do this, and of course it
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: has to be for us versus them. But in the end,
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: like they all get together and all are happy and
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: united and they watch Carrie twirl.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know, Okay, everybody loves to see a twirl.
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: I guess, I guess.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: And we want to talk about some other homophobic things,
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: like the gay best friend trope is in this a lot. Yeah,
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: but you've got Stanford and Anthony who definitely fit into
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: this trope, and we do see the development of Stanford's
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: character and that gives a little leeway of how Carrie
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: just continues to use her friends and talk about herself constantly.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: So like I read it described as like an accessory
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: to her. Yeah, like even if he has growth, he
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: still sort of exists for her to complain too.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's definitely interesting because again it is written
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: by and created by two very openly gay men. But
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: the way they portrayed Standford at the beginning when the
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: first episode is he was so over the top Kitchie
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: to where he ended up it, it was kind of
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: a relief to see him finally being like the adorable,
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: sweet guy and kind. But yes, he's definitely just an
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: accessory to this whole conversation.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I actually read a lot of articles about that.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Maybe we'll come back to that later of like kind
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: of that tension between gay creators and like something like this.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: So, also bisexual erasure, which we've mentioned before. So Carrie
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: doesn't believe bisexual men are legit. And when Samantha dated
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: a woman, the idea that Samantha might actually be bisexual
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: or curious is really dismissed. It was like, no, she's
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: just bored, or she's looking for attention, or it's a
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: phase that thing that we've talked about before in previous episodes.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: Right, And we talked about the episode called girl Boy,
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: Girl Boy in the Cold Conversation, which takes place of
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: course over Brunt is problematic between Miranda calling bisexuals greedy
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: because they sample from all sides to Charlotte saying she
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: needs labels either your gay or straight, pick a lane.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: The entire show is an issue.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: The overall fear mongering towards bisexuality is insulting overall, literally
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: the entirety of the show. Carrie is so neurotic. She's
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: sure that he's looking her interest who has said that
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: he just falls in love with love essentially that she
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: just for sure he's checking every.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Single person out. Oh yeah, that's the entirely thing.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: And by the way, Elena's more said is in this
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: episode she can't carry kiss.
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: Oh there you go.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: There's a small tidbit.
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: Good, a tidbit okay.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: And we wanted to talk about some sexist elements in here,
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: I guess, and like feminism, not feminism.
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: What's going on?
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: And while this show is lauded in many ways for
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: the strides it made in depictions of women and sex,
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: and it should be a lot of fans shaped at
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: the ending of the first movie and the show feeling
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: it wasn't true to this message of independent women who
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: weren't rushing to get married and I want to quote
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: Nasbaum again because she actually defended the ending of the show.
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: Quote.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: While a mob film ends in murder, we all know
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: where a romantic comedy ends.
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: I'll defend until my dying day.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: The sixteenth in plot in which Carrie seeks respite with
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: a celebrity like her, the Russian artist Alexander played by
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Mikhail Borushnikoff, a chiley genius she doesn't love, but who
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: offers her a dream like fairy tale, the one she's
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: always longed for, Paris, safety, money, pleasure.
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: It felt ugly and sad in a realistic way. Yeah.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: I think it was interesting because there's a lot of
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: conflict between her and Miranda because she is choosing all
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: of these things. So I mean, sure, I guess she
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: gives up everything to go with this guy, and yes,
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: guess a happy ending. But to be fair, she also
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: wrote a book, so there's that.
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: Also Miranda being blamed for infidelity in the movie. We
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: see that, and we talked about earlier.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: We see the.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: Steve who says that he has had an affair after
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: having sex one night, and all this culmination into her
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: being busy, her having to do all these things, her
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: being tired and pretty much lays the blame, saying that
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: she is the reason that he says he's sorry, but
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: it's because we've not been touching each other. You haven't
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: even made time for me, essentially, as well as the
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: fact that during her time with Carrie, Carrie is so
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: angry about a small bit of information which I still
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: can't understand, that she tells Miranda that it's her fault
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: and she should forgive Steve, like it's a whole return,
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: as well as the fact that during their counseling session
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: the therapist kind of puts it on her as well.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: So it's kind of the whole way of like, yes, yes,
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: there is a leading there's always a bigger story and
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: infidelity for sure, but to put blame like that instead
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: of having a conversation or even say, hey, I have
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: this problem, or hey let's have counseling before I have
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: an affair.
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: Mm hmm. Maybe seems.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: And I think it was really infuriating for me again
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: because like the whole bush scene where she was not
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: having wax things and all these they kind of put
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: that on her and saying like, well, no, wonder your
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: relationship fell apart.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: You like let yourself go.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I saw a lot of angry reactions to that,
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: and also Carrie's storyline in that movie.
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: In the first movie ends with her being won over after.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: Her rich on again, off again dude Big, mister Big
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: building her a wardship with expensive clothes, which feels very
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: materialistic and separately not what the show was about, because
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: I do think materialism was a big part of this. Yeah,
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: Cynthia Nixon said about this quote, it seemed to me
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: that the show was so much about female empowerment and
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: about women making their own choices and women standing up
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: for what they wanted and supporting themselves. So to me,
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: to have the scene be a climax of the film,
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: that's your very wealthy husband built you a nice closet
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: for your clothes, I thought, Wow, that it's not really
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: what you love about the show, is it, Because that's
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: not what we were making it for a lot of
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: people weren't happy with Carrie's relationship with Big in general,
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: claiming he was toxic. I read somebody describe him as
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: like a walking red flag. Carrie consistently worries that it's
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: turning her into a fake this relationship. At one point
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: she says, I'm not like me. I'm like together Carrie.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: I wear little outfits, sexy, carey and casual carries. Sometimes
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: I catch myself actually posing. It's just it's exhausting, right.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: I think that's the back and forth because everybody has
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: an opinion who's seen the show about what man is
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: the best man, which man is the best man of
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: the group. But I think it's interesting because, as I said,
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: Carrie's constant need to switch her personality. It happens throughout
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: the entire show. It's not just Big, as with Alexander,
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: is with Aiden, Like she becomes these different people, which
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: happens a lot. Yeah, we all have like relationship goals
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: where you try to find common interest or try to
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: compromise for that. But yeah, it's definitely a theme for
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: Carrie to constantly beat this. Even though I do think
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: Big is definitely toxic, I don't think it's not just him,
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: it's not yeah, yeah, yeah, But people again also weren't
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: happy with how Stamford was with the only other gay
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: male in this series. Yeah, Anthony, Like at first when
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: they meet each other, Anthony says to Charlotte, he could
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: do better, like he can be better as in fact,
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: they kind of hate each other because he also outs
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: Stanford's boyfriend later on in the show as being I
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: don't know if he's a prostitute, a call boy, but
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: he having an advertisement in a magazine, in a gay
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: magazine to be an escort essentially. So it's really interesting
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: how they hate each other, and then at the end,
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: because they are the only two gay people, I guess
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: they end up getting together.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know. And they, by the way, do remain the.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: Two strongest gay characters, the only gay characters I guess
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: in the whole series.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean, it's certainly of like regular appearances.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: And a lot of folks have pointed out that as
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: revolutionary as all of this was, in a lot of ways,
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: the main characters still did pretty much stick to traditional
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: gender roles, and on top of that, there was a
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: classist and superficial element with a focus on glamour, fashion
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: and looks. And the debate rages on about where this
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: show falls in terms of feminism. In a twenty eleven
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: article for The Daily Telegraph called Sorry, Sisters, but I
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: hate Sex in the City, Donya Gold wrote, Sex and
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: the City is to feminism what sugar is to dental care.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: The first clue is in the opening credits of the
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: television show. Carrie is standing in a New York street
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: in a ballet skirt, the sort that toddlers wear. She
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: is dressed unmistakably as a child because she is a
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: sex columnist on a newspaper. A bus wearing a huge
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: photo of her in a tiny dress trundles pass. Carrie
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Bradshaw knows good Sex has the bus, and there before
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: any dialogue hits your ears, you have two woeful female
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: archetypes that Sex and the City loves woman as sex
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: object and woman as child. In another episode, Carrie realizes
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: she is homeless because she has spent forty thousand dollars
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: on shoes and does not have a deposit for an apartment.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: In this crisis, she cries and barrows the money for
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: the deposit. What child do anything else? Also in twenty eleven,
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Ashley Dikes wrote in her research piece and I started
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: wondering voiceover and conversation and Sex and the City quote.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: The fear that men will no longer find a woman
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: attractive as she reveals her true self is in contrast
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: to the relationships among the four main characters, but plenty
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: of argued that the show did a lot for feminism,
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: or maybe not that it did a lot for feminism,
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: but was feminists or did at the very least invite
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: feminist conversations or conversations about women and sex and in
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: a lot of different spaces about women that we hadn't
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: really discussed openly as a society before.
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: It like made them popular.
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: Right, And I think I would agree that I think
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: it gave permission for so many to be able to
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: openly talk about their sexual experiences and even learn from
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: that conversations. Is like talking about oral sex and being
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: able to enjoy it seemed so taboo. But when the
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: show came in understanding that women do enjoy sex and
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: do bond over talking about it. I remember you and
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: I were actually having a whole conversation about what this
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: show would look like, and we talked about when women
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: enjoy sex, when women don't enjoy sex, and why that's
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: okay in either way.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: And honestly, part of my conversation came from this.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: And that idea of I grew up in such a
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: very isolated and closed minded home when it came to sex,
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: that when I came to college, I was like, this
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: is what this is for, this is how this is.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: And don't get me wrong, and there's nothing wrong with
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: intimacy and saving whatever you have for marriage whatever. If
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: you really feel like that's something that you want, that's great.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: But that's partly in my mind. I don't think it
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: was until I watched shows like this that I realized, oh,
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: women actually do like sex.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: This is not just me. I'm not thirty, okay, and
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: it did.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: I think it opened up a whole big conversation and
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: allowing the fact that you could ask other women for advice.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: You don't have to do this alone, Like if you're
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: confused about something, if you like these are things that
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: needs to happen, and allow it for it.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: I'm also it technically does pass the Bechdel test. Yeah,
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: or I will say that it's not too much aur prise.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: But something that I loved any you've yearned for now,
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: especially with us still being in lockdown, is having brunch
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: with my girls and just releasing whatever is on our minds,
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: enjoying a drink, d complaining about work, living situations so yes,
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: even talking about our partners and seeing friendships that would
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: grow together. I think it was something beautiful, even though
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: there were so many problematic things within them, and they
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: fed into this narrative of white feminism, white relationships, white
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: girl privilege, all these things for.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Sure, But the fact that they grew together and after college.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: I really really wanted that.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: And missed that. And though the whole series does seem
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: to be a lot about finding your mate, yeah, the
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: fact that they lean on each other and as much
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: as they do, they continue to grow together, and it
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: was really refreshing to see that as an ending. Happy
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: ending wasn't necessarily the man. Happy ending was that they
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: were going out together. Like she comes back home from
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: France and the first thing she does is find them
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: and make sure they all have brunch. In the end,
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: when she gets married, he says, I know your true
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: loves and it's the women.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: And I think that's beautiful.
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I agree, I agree, and I liked what
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: I saw.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Maybe I'll, if I can find it anywhere, launch a
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: gas journey Okay, perfect, perfect, And I do want.
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: To say DVD's for days for me.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: I do think it would be really interesting if there's
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: a study out there on how this show influenced people's
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: thoughts on sex because for me, even though I didn't
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: see it growing up, it's still like permeated and it
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: still influenced me and my thoughts on sex, just the
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: little things I saw, or even just like images I
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: saw from it.
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: When I was in middle.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: School, I asked my mom if that's how people meet
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: at bars and they date for like a week, and
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: then they have sex and then they break up. That
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: was also influenced by other TV, not just Next to
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: the City. But my mom was a gas and she
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, I didn't have the talk
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: with you. And I remember even then being really confused
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: about the fashion money, and I was like, is.
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: It New York really expensive?
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: How could I ever afford? I was like, I can't
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: afford this lifestyle. This is out of my reach.
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: The entirety of like not having roommates as a single
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: woman in New York made no sense, no sense because
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: I had to have roommates in Atlanta, and we know
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: the cost of living is much cheaper here.
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, well, this has been a really fun one.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: We wanted to run really quickly through our quiz answers
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: of who we would be, but first we have one
• 47:21
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• 47:36
  Speaker 4: And we're back.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Thank you sponsored. So yeah, we did get a lot
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: of these from BuzzFeed.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, of course Busfeed is going to be
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: the number one quiz, especially for things like sex and
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: the City. I was like, there, they are ten thousand
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: of them, so I do need to know because I
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: sent you several. There are several different ones, and I'll
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: try to make a variation.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: So which one are you? Are you a Carrie, Samantha,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: Charlotte or Miranda?
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: According to this first BuzzFeed you sent me, I got
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: quote you wish you were a Carrie, but alas.
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: You are a Miranda, which I was like, that does
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: not need to be insulting.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: Why is that?
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: I was actually carry on this one. I kind of
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: was surprised and insulted. I was like, I don't want
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: to be carried What is this? What are you saying
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: about me? I didn't like it?
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, and then you sent me another.
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: One, right, and I needed one more because I was like, okay,
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: let's just see who this personality type was. So what
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: was this other one that you would have been?
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: Which character?
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: It was also from BuzzFeed and I got Samantha Jones.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: You're one wild person. You love to date, have fun,
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: but getting serious is really not your style. You much
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: prefer one steady group of friends over one man forever.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: You're great at giving advice because you're so carefree. I
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: agree with that, minus the sex.
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: Still is sex personality, but definitely a group of friends.
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: For sure, I've got Mariana on this one because I
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: am obviously a very strong willed and all those things.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I definitely said that. And I had to
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: know who was the man.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: I got Robert Leeds, which now I don't know how
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: to feel about it.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: Oh, but he's such a good guy.
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: So that's the things Like I got Robert Leeds too,
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: and I loved him as a boyfriend.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: He's probably one of.
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: The best, Like he is so sweet, so caring love
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: because this is after she has the baby and she
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: he loves the kids and so kind.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: She just ended up dumping him because she realized she's.
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: Still step Okay, Okay, I feel better about it.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: Who of course they have a good relationship. Yeah, so
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: he's a good guy. It wasn't until they broke up
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: that they made him a bad guy. It was just
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: really irritating. They didn't need it in him like that.
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: And then I had to send you this house Stuff
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: works quiz because I was like, oh, she's not gonna
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: do well. I'm gonna beat her on this one for sure.
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: How well do you know Sex and the City?
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: What was your rating?
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: I got sixty three percent?
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I got ninety three.
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: Oh, she's still not one hundred percent because there's two
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: I forgot about, like what, Oh, sorry, sad about that one.
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: And then the very last one. We had to find
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: the combination, Yes, the combo of which characters are you?
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: I got Samantha and Carrie. So I'm all over the
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: board here.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: It seems like, yeah, I guess you are.
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: But why? But why?
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: It says you're super confident like Samantha. You're creative like
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: Carrie too. You always know exactly what you want and
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: you're not afraid to work hard to get it. Sometimes
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: other people are intimidated by your success, but generally they
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: admire you.
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: Oh oh yeah, So I'm the combination of Carrie and Miranda.
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: You're a very creative person like Carrie, but you're also ambitious, loyal,
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: and hard working like Miranda. You're incredibly loyal and you
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: always put your friends first. Everyone relies on you to
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: tear them up when they're filling down, and you wouldn't
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: have it any other way.
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: I agree with that, I can see you.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: The fact that I got to be uh, obviously Miranda
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: makes me happy.
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: Well.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: It's funny because, again, having never seen but like three
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: stympers of the show, I thought i'd get Charlotte.
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: I don't know why I thought that a naivety, I agree, probably,
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: but I didn't get her once me either.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: That's not surprising for me though.
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: Well.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: That brings us to the end of this episode on
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: Sex and the City. It's been so fun. We would
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: love to hear from you listeners your experience with the show,
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: the movies. What are your looking forward to or worried
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: about in the upcoming reboot? Are you a Carrie, Samantha, Miranda,
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: Charlotte Let us know. You can email us at Stuff Media,
• 51:08
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• 51:11
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• 51:12
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• 51:14
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• 51:15
  Speaker 2: Super producer, Christina, and thanks to you for listening. Steffan
• 51:20
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