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Lessons From Lion's Star Lachie Neale · Dr Justin Coulson's Happy Families

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  Speaker 1: The news just coming through is that Lockie Neal's tribunal
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  Speaker 1: has broken and the one week ban has been upheld.
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  Speaker 1: As we speak, Lockie Neal. Hello, this is Dr. Justin Coulson.
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  Speaker 1: Just before we press play on today's episode, a quick
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  Speaker 1: heads up. You're going to hear us talking about Lockie
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  Speaker 1: Neal not being allowed to play in the grand final.
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  Speaker 2: Why?
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  Speaker 1: Because when we recorded this episode, the tribunal had just
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  Speaker 1: decided that he was not going to be allowed to
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  Speaker 1: play in the grand final. As it turns out, there
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  Speaker 1: was an appeal and now he is playing. But that
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  Speaker 1: appeal came through late Thursday afternoon. when we thought, there's
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  Speaker 1: no way he's in. You might be wondering what this
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  Speaker 1: has got to do with parenting and the Happy Families podcast. Well,
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  Speaker 1: stay listening, find out more in just a sec. But
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  Speaker 1: if you're wondering why the pod sounds like it's not
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  Speaker 1: quite right, that will be why. Anyway, I've got to
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  Speaker 1: get out of this person's driveway and walk my dog.
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  Speaker 1: So enjoy the pod, and we can't wait to talk
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  Speaker 1: to you again on Monday. Hello, this is the Happy
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  Speaker 1: Families podcast. Today on the pod, something very topical that, well,
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  Speaker 1: you don't even have to like AFL to know that
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  Speaker 1: Lockie Neal doesn't look like he's going to play in
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  Speaker 1: the grand final for the Brisbane Lions as they chase
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  Speaker 1: their third consecutive title. Hang on a sec.
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  Speaker 3: Who's Lockie Neal?
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  Speaker 1: Lockie Neal is one of the players of his generation.
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  Speaker 1: Literally one of the greatest players.
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  Speaker 3: Well, in case you're wondering, I don't follow AFL and
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  Speaker 3: I don't know who he is.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So today on the podcast, we're going to talk about
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  Speaker 1: who he is, what he did, and why we need
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  Speaker 1: to talk about it. Because I think if your kids
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  Speaker 1: know anything about AFL, they are talking about it. And
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  Speaker 1: this is a conversation, Bain, that is rich for mining
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  Speaker 1: and can help us to teach our kids, especially our sons,
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  Speaker 1: about healthy masculinity, about responsibility, and about making the right choices.
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  Speaker 1: Stay with us. Hello, welcome to the Happy Families podcast,
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  Speaker 1: where you get real parenting solutions every single day. This
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  Speaker 1: is Australia's most downloaded parenting podcast, where Justin and Kylie Coulson,
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  Speaker 1: the parents of six daughters, and we don't normally care
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  Speaker 1: about the AFL. Fair call?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I didn't even know you followed AFL.
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  Speaker 1: I don't really, but once we get to final season,
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  Speaker 1: I do notice some stuff. Last week, we were in Melbourne.
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  Speaker 1: We went down for the John Farnham tribute concert. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know exactly what it was called, but That was
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  Speaker 1: a fun night. But did you notice that when we
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  Speaker 1: left the hotel, there were some people walking past us
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  Speaker 1: wearing Hawthorne Hawks scarves and I gave them a hard
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  Speaker 1: time and told them the Lions would win?
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  Speaker 3: I did not notice.
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  Speaker 1: You didn't even notice.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So I followed enough to know a little bit about
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  Speaker 1: what's going on. But there is massive news this week.
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  Speaker 2: They're the September specialist of this century. Brisbane again making
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  Speaker 2: the trip to Melbourne in grand final week. As it
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  Speaker 2: stands now, Lockie Neal will miss Saturday's grand final. The tribunal,
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  Speaker 2: after an epic four and a half hour hearing, failing
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  Speaker 2: to overturn his one match ban for the gut punch
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  Speaker 2: to Jack Gidevan.
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  Speaker 3: If I was curious, I'd ask you what the facts are.
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  Speaker 3: I'm really not curious, and I don't actually understand why
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  Speaker 3: we're talking about this today, but I'm going to go
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  Speaker 3: with it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I'll tell you why we're talking about it in
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  Speaker 1: a sec, but let's just establish the facts. You've just
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  Speaker 1: heard the grab from the news. Basically, Lockie Neal has
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  Speaker 1: struck an opponent, a Hawks player, in the belly in
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  Speaker 1: the preliminary final. You're not allowed to do that. That
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  Speaker 1: is known as a medium impact strike. It used to
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  Speaker 1: be known as a low impact strike and you'd get
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  Speaker 1: a fine for it. And he's been fined for doing
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  Speaker 1: this three previous times in his 320 games.
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  Speaker 3: So he's a repeat offender?
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah. He's done it three times previously, 320 games.
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  Speaker 3: So did they change the rules because of him?
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  Speaker 1: No, they didn't.
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  Speaker 3: It sounds like they might have changed the rules because
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  Speaker 3: of him.
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  Speaker 1: But now it's become a medium-impact strike, and therefore, instead
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  Speaker 1: of getting a fine, you do get suspended for one
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  Speaker 1: game for doing it. So he's done this when he's
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  Speaker 1: miles off the ball– He's appealed at the tribunal. That
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  Speaker 1: happened on Tuesday night.
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  Speaker 3: What did he appeal?
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  Speaker 1: Well, he said, you're treating me unfairly and it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: really a medium strike and it was this and it
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  Speaker 1: was that. And apart from that, I've been a really
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  Speaker 1: good boy. I've played 320 games and won two Brown
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  Speaker 1: Lows and I'm a really good boy. So therefore, you
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  Speaker 1: need to let me off because it's the grand final
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  Speaker 1: on Sunday. You need to let me off on Saturday.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Did he know it was the grand final the following
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  Speaker 3: week after?
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  Speaker 1: No, he knew.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So- So that's kind of also almost answering the
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  Speaker 1: question as to why we need to talk about it
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  Speaker 1: because our kids do this as well, right? Like they
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  Speaker 1: do the wrong thing. They know what the rules are.
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  Speaker 1: They do the wrong thing anyway, thinking no one's going
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  Speaker 1: to catch them. Then they get caught. Then they argue
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  Speaker 1: that we don't know what we're talking about or we
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  Speaker 1: should change the rules or there's some exceptional circumstances which
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  Speaker 1: mean that they shouldn't have to be held responsible for
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  Speaker 1: their actions. And that is what our kids do all
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  Speaker 1: the time. So that's why I wanted to talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: I just think there's a pattern here, right? He told
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  Speaker 1: the tribunal that his three prior striking charges were all retaliation.
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  Speaker 1: This was the fourth one. He's just such a highly
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  Speaker 1: decorated player. And I think this really matters, right? Because
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  Speaker 1: the rules are the rules, regardless of who you are.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but the problem is society.
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  Speaker 1: makes exceptions for greatness.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And they actually reward people for bad behavior because of
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  Speaker 3: their name or because of their standing. I don't understand
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  Speaker 3: why this is even a big story. He did the
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  Speaker 3: wrong thing. A call has been made. And regardless of
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  Speaker 3: whether that impacts other people, that's actually on him. It's
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  Speaker 3: not on the tribunal. It's not on his fans. That's
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  Speaker 3: totally on him.
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  Speaker 1: I think that if you have a rule, but you're
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  Speaker 1: going to suspend the rule for your best people, then
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  Speaker 1: the rule is not actually a rule.
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  Speaker 3: That's exactly right.
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  Speaker 1: But for me, one of the biggest points is he's arguing, oh,
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  Speaker 1: it's the grand final. It's the grand final.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but he knew that.
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  Speaker 1: And therefore, I should get an exemption.
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  Speaker 3: So he should have been on his best behavior.
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  Speaker 1: Totally agree. Totally agree. The consequence for the act is
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  Speaker 1: the consequence for the act, regardless of whether it's a
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  Speaker 1: regular round game or whether it's a grand final game.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't really matter. Lockie Neal is saying this was
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  Speaker 1: a bump. He's suggesting that his opponent dived onto the
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  Speaker 1: ground to make it worse than it actually was. The
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  Speaker 1: tribunals watched the tape.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't sound like he's taking someone else's perspective very well,
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  Speaker 3: does it?
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  Speaker 1: No, no, it doesn't. But that's my point, right? Like
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  Speaker 1: you're in the car and you hear the kids go,
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  Speaker 1: I barely touched him.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't really want to talk about Lockie Neal.
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  Speaker 1: I've gathered.
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  Speaker 3: But I would like to know how we can help
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  Speaker 3: parents utilize this particular story to as a beautiful teaching
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  Speaker 3: moment with their kids. What do we talk about with
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  Speaker 3: our kids?
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  Speaker 1: How do we help kids take responsibility for their actions?
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  Speaker 1: We talk all the time on this podcast about kids
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  Speaker 1: being in bed, blame, excuse, and denial. And guess what?
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  Speaker 1: That's exactly where, I know you don't want to talk
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  Speaker 1: about it, but that's exactly where Lockie Neal has been
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  Speaker 1: all week. He's been in blame, excuse, and denial. And
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  Speaker 1: what we are always talking about is instead of being
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  Speaker 1: in bed, let's use our OR, O-A-R, ownership, accountability, and responsibility.
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  Speaker 1: And this guy doesn't know how to do that. So
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  Speaker 1: after the break, we're going to talk about why Parenting
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  Speaker 1: Podcast is talking about football. Because what Lockie Neal did
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  Speaker 1: on Saturday night last week, or was it Sunday night?
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  Speaker 1: I can't remember which day it was. I'm saying Saturday.
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  Speaker 1: It might have been Sunday. Regardless, last week. Is what
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  Speaker 1: your son did in the backyard last week or what
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  Speaker 1: your daughter did in the group chat. And we need
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  Speaker 1: to talk about getting out of bed and using oars
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  Speaker 1: and and having the conversations with our kids that matter
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  Speaker 1: because it's precisely what hasn't happened in the national media
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  Speaker 1: this week. Stay with us. We're back. This is the
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  Speaker 1: Happy Families podcast.
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  Speaker 3: I find this whole conversation quite curious. You talk about
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  Speaker 3: the idea of healthy masculinity and the fact that A
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  Speaker 3: healthy man makes the people around him feel safer and stronger.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: If you've got someone who's unwilling to take responsibility or
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  Speaker 3: accountability for their actions, that leaves anybody in that space
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  Speaker 3: feeling particularly vulnerable.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so tempted to take this off the field and
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  Speaker 1: into his very public family breakup, but I'm not going
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  Speaker 1: to do that. I want to stay on the topic.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, go on. Go on. Sorry.
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  Speaker 3: Because there's volatility there.
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  Speaker 1: That whole definition that I talk about all the time,
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  Speaker 1: healthy men help the people around them feel safer and stronger.
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  Speaker 1: In this context, he's on the sporting field and he's
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  Speaker 1: just seen one of his teammates get roughed up a
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  Speaker 1: bit by an opposition player. And so what he's actually
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  Speaker 1: done is he's gone in to protect his teammate or
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  Speaker 1: he's gone in to make the opponent pay with some retribution, right?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's revenge.
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  Speaker 1: Well- It's revenge.
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  Speaker 3: It's revenge.
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  Speaker 1: I would say it differently. I would say that in
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  Speaker 1: the boy code man box orientation, this is loyalty that's
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  Speaker 1: pointed the wrong way. What do I mean by that?
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  Speaker 3: You hurt my friend, I'll hurt you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: In his mind, he's not being a thug. In his mind,
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  Speaker 1: he sees a teammate who's copying it and the man box,
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  Speaker 1: the boy code, whatever you want to call it, says,
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  Speaker 1: This needs to be answered back.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but since when did anyone ever believe that two
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  Speaker 3: wrongs make a right?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Someone does the wrong thing, so I'm going to do
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  Speaker 3: the wrong thing back to prove the point that they
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  Speaker 3: did the wrong thing. We do this as parents all
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  Speaker 3: the time, right? We get angry at our children because
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  Speaker 3: they're yelling, but we're yelling at them to tell them
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  Speaker 3: to stop yelling. It's the same kind of mindset. If
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  Speaker 3: we want somebody to act differently, then we actually have
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  Speaker 3: to show them a better way to act.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So there's an AFL player, Scott Pendlebury. He plays
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  Speaker 1: for Collingwood. And in 2024, he struck Lockie Neal. How's
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  Speaker 1: this for poetic? He whacks Lockie Neal and then he
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  Speaker 1: cops the fine because at that time it wasn't suspendable.
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  Speaker 1: It was only a finable offense. And he said this,
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  Speaker 1: he said, I need to deal with this. I did
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  Speaker 1: the wrong thing. And he quoted his mum, the retaliator
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  Speaker 1: always gets caught. So we're talking about literally almost exactly
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  Speaker 1: the same crime, if you will, the same action. But
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  Speaker 1: you've got Pendlebury who's saying, retaliator always gets caught. My
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  Speaker 1: mom taught me that and I just shouldn't have done it.
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  Speaker 1: Or you've got Lockie Neal who's saying, oh yeah, but
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  Speaker 1: he deserved it. He hit my teammate first. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: hit him that hard. He was acting, which just, it
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  Speaker 1: ticks me off. It really upsets me. And this is
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  Speaker 1: a conversation that we can have with our children about
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  Speaker 1: getting out of bed and using their all. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'm giving everyone an insight to the background behind
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  Speaker 3: the scenes of what's going on. But in our show notes,
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  Speaker 3: you've written that Something about his father, and I didn't
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  Speaker 3: actually ask you what any of that meant.
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  Speaker 1: You're saying that I haven't set you up to ask
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  Speaker 1: the right question here. I'm so sorry. All right. His
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  Speaker 1: father's name is Robbie, Robbie Neal.
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  Speaker 3: Should I know who Robbie Neal is?
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's Lockie Neal's father. He says his son's punishment
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  Speaker 1: is just plain wrong. He's just come out and said, no,
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  Speaker 1: they've done the wrong thing. And I think the reason
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  Speaker 1: that I wanted to raise that is if you– saw
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  Speaker 1: your son missing out on the grand final because of
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  Speaker 1: this act. What's your first instinct, right? When your child
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  Speaker 1: faces a consequence, what is your first instinct as a parent?
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  Speaker 1: I speak to school principals and wellbeing officers and heads
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  Speaker 1: of school and heads of house and that kind of
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  Speaker 1: thing in schools on a daily basis. And they consistently
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  Speaker 1: tell me that when there is a consequence for a child,
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  Speaker 1: the parents do exactly what Robbie Neal has done, and said, well,
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  Speaker 1: the punishment's wrong. They haven't understood what's going on. They've
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  Speaker 1: got it wrong. And I just think that this is
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  Speaker 1: poor parenting. I think Robbie Neal should actually be allowing
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  Speaker 1: the rules to be the rules. What's our first instinct
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  Speaker 1: as parents? Is it to fight or to just be
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  Speaker 1: supportive and help our kids to carry the consequences, the
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  Speaker 1: repercussions of their actions?
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  Speaker 3: I think that there's two things going on here for parents,
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  Speaker 3: generally speaking. I think the first one is we actually
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  Speaker 3: feel like people will attribute our children's bad decisions to
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  Speaker 3: our poor parenting. And there is this need to kind
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  Speaker 3: of protect ourselves because if our children are wrong, then
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  Speaker 3: at some point we've clearly not done a good job
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  Speaker 3: as a parent. I think that that plays a part often.
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  Speaker 3: And especially in this situation where it's so public. But secondly,
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  Speaker 3: I think that as a parent in general, it's really
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  Speaker 3: hard to watch your kids suffer.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, of course it is.
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  Speaker 3: It's really hard to watch them suffer. And everything feels
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  Speaker 3: unfair when you've got no control over the outcome.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And so I guess coming from a place of compassion,
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  Speaker 3: it's easy to see how parents fall into, I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to say trap, fall into the trap of wanting to
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  Speaker 3: rescue their children from really challenging situations. often that they've
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  Speaker 3: put themselves into. But nevertheless, it's hard. It's hard watching
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  Speaker 3: them do that. And we think that a good parent
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  Speaker 3: will rescue their child. That's what we actually think a
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  Speaker 3: good parent needs to do. But we actually need to
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  Speaker 3: just be willing to sit in that place of uncomfortability
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  Speaker 3: with them, whatever that looks like. And it might feel
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  Speaker 3: unfair and it might feel unkind and it might feel
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  Speaker 3: all those awful ugly things. But at the end of
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  Speaker 3: the day, this is the decision that's been made. And
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  Speaker 3: I'll sit here with you as long as you need to. Yes.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm not here to rescue you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I care, but I can't carry you. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And this guy's a grown man. He knew the rules,
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  Speaker 1: like you said. There are a couple of points that
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  Speaker 1: I want to wrap up with, Kylie. Our time is
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  Speaker 1: well and truly gone. If you're a Lions fan, or
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  Speaker 1: if your kids are Lions fans, I should say, they're
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  Speaker 1: going to be pretty heartbroken if Lockie Neal can't play
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  Speaker 1: in the grand final. And it may end up costing
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  Speaker 1: them the grand final as well, because he's such an
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  Speaker 1: important player for them. But I reckon a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people are going to be furious at the tribunal and
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  Speaker 1: not at Neil. They're going to be really upset in
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  Speaker 1: that direction. I don't know that we need to make
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  Speaker 1: an argument one way or the other right now, but
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  Speaker 1: it's a really fascinating conversation with the kids. Who's at
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  Speaker 1: fault here, Lockie Neil or the tribunal? Have an honest
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  Speaker 1: conversation about it. Lockie Neil's the one that broke the rules.
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  Speaker 1: The tribunal's the one that upheld the rules.
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  Speaker 3: And what does it mean to be a part of
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  Speaker 3: a team? Yes.
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  Speaker 1: This is actually bigger. The tribunal hasn't ruined the lion's
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  Speaker 1: grand final hopes. Lockie Neal has ruined the grand final hopes.
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  Speaker 1: And he's let the team down because of a selfish
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  Speaker 1: act that he thought was a selfless act because he
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  Speaker 1: was supporting his teammate, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I love this.
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  Speaker 3: If our actions are motivated by anger, we're never going
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  Speaker 3: to make good choices.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Anger costs. My mom used to say that to me
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  Speaker 1: all the time as I keep growing up. Anger costs.
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  Speaker 1: I just think You want to know something about somebody,
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  Speaker 1: watch what happens in terms of the way that they
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  Speaker 1: react after their mistakes. And at the moment, what we're
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  Speaker 1: seeing is Lockie Neal in bed, blame, excuse, denial, rather
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  Speaker 1: than using his own ownership, accountability, and responsibility. To me,
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  Speaker 1: that's the conversation to have with the kids. There's a
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  Speaker 1: couple of other fun conversations that you can have in
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  Speaker 1: the car.
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  Speaker 3: And here's the crazy thing. I just want to cut
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  Speaker 3: you off for a second because I think this is
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  Speaker 3: really important. The conversation we're having about Lockie Neal is
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  Speaker 3: a very different one today because of the decision he
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  Speaker 3: made not in the moment, after the moment. Because if
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  Speaker 3: we go back to his teammate who did the wrong
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  Speaker 3: thing by him all those years ago, think about how
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  Speaker 3: he was speaking about him. He owned it. And so
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  Speaker 3: we can acknowledge that in the moment we make a
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: bad choice, but the fact that he's been able to
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: step away from it and go, you know what? That
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: was me. I did that and I need to pay
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: the consequences is a very different conversation. And it reflects
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: differently on who that man is. I don't even know him.
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: I don't even know his name. But I already like
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: him a lot better because I know that if we
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: were in a situation where he did something wrong, he'd
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: at least take it on. He'd own it.
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: His name was Scott Penderbury. His name is not Lockie Neal.
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: If you're not an AFL fan and you've stayed with
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: us this long, thank you. Here are three final questions
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  Speaker 1: that I reckon would be really interesting to play around
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: with with your kids in light of what's going on here.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: Number one, what would you do if you saw a
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: friend getting shoved? especially the ASTV boys. Fascinating, fascinating insight.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: Question number two, should the best player in the comp
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: get different rules? And question number three, what's the difference
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: between sticking up for someone and getting even? Really important questions. Kylie,
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: the AFL Grand Final is tomorrow and Lockie Neal is
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: going to be there. But unless some miracle occurs for him,
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: He won't be taking to the field in the Brisbane
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: Lions uniform. Instead, he'll be on the sidelines wearing a suit.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: And everybody's going to know why. I think that's the
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: whole lesson. Nobody has to say a word. Enjoy the
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: grand final. I want to say go Lions. I'm not
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: sure how they'll do. It could be a free-o, free
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: for all. A finale fitting Fremantle? You never know. Thanks
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: so much for listening to the Happy Families podcast. We're
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: back on Monday with more of the Happy Families podcast,
• 17:21
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• 17:25
  Speaker 1: from Bridge Media and our additional support from Mim Hammonds.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: More info about making your family happier is available at happyfamilies.com.au.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: Have a great weekend and thanks for listening.