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The Richardson Murders – Part 1 · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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Speaker 1: The hope is that falling in love will bring out
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Speaker 1: the best in us, but that's not always the case.
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Speaker 1: As twelve year old Jasmine Richardson fell in love with
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Speaker 1: her twenty three year old boyfriend Jeremy Steinke, they came
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Speaker 1: up with a plan so sinister it had the community
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Speaker 1: of Medicine Hat Alberta in complete shock, and a family
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Speaker 1: was permanently destroyed.
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Speaker 2: Good Morning.
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Speaker 1: The following podcast and graphic contentmentarial for a mature audience
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Speaker 1: listener discussion is a US, Hey, how's it going.
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Speaker 2: I'm Nicole, I'm Ben, and you are listening to Wicked
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Speaker 2: and Grim.
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Speaker 1: A true crime podcast. Clankety clink clankity clink clink.
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Speaker 2: We're being responsible and hydrating ourself with Good Old. It's
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Speaker 2: too old today, Well.
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Speaker 1: Because it's finally hot in our town, in our town,
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Speaker 1: third city, town, community, whatever.
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Speaker 2: It is, Good Old Canada.
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Speaker 1: Isn't it like thirty degrees or something?
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Speaker 2: Uh? Celsius should clarify that right now, because people in
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Speaker 2: Fahrenheit are probably like, oh, that's cold. Oh yeah, but yeah,
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Speaker 2: thirty degrees celsius right now, which is hot for us yet,
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Speaker 2: so we finally have summer right in time for fall.
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Speaker 2: To start kicking in pretty quick, so that's cool.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw a leaf on the ground already, really
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Speaker 1: I did, but I think it was just like the
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Speaker 1: tree was dying because there's no sure. Oh yeah it
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Speaker 1: has to be. It's too early. It's too early. That
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Speaker 1: shit won't happen for a while.
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Speaker 2: Gave me like a slight panic attack.
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Speaker 1: No, we're damn We're not there yet. Wow.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, in the meantime, we're going to hydrate ourselves
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Speaker 2: in this hot weather. Actually, fun fact. I don't know
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Speaker 2: if I've mentioned it many times before, but I am
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Speaker 2: a safety professional at work.
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Speaker 1: Right you are.
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Speaker 2: Today in my safety meeting at work, I gave a
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Speaker 2: good old talk on heat stress and staying hydrated was
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Speaker 2: a very important key on that. Oh that's good, So
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Speaker 2: I guess you can say I'm following my own advice.
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Speaker 1: Well done, Thank you. Well, I am the opposite of
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Speaker 1: a safety person and I had a very bad tumble
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Speaker 1: on the weekend and fucked myself.
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Speaker 2: Up mountain biking. Yeah, I extracurricular.
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Speaker 1: I well, I'm learning ish right, And I ended up
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Speaker 1: using my front break a little bit too heavily going
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Speaker 1: down a hill and I went right over my handlebars.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, a good old. In the mountain bike community, we
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Speaker 2: call it an OTB over the bars.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you said that to some of the other day.
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Speaker 1: I was like, what's that? And yeah, I have some massive,
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Speaker 1: massive bruises and scabs.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you look bad ass now, I do you
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Speaker 2: look like you just took someone the fuck out.
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Speaker 1: I was gonna wear dress actually what today, like a
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Speaker 1: really pretty dress and I was like, I just can't
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Speaker 1: right now because I don't.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I think anyone can sued anytime, but I mean,
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Speaker 2: if that's.
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Speaker 1: What you well some huge bruises. I was like, this
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Speaker 1: isn't fit.
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Speaker 2: Fair doesn't fit. Should we get onto Patreons? Yeah, Patreon,
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Speaker 2: Patreon and patrons. There we go.
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Speaker 1: And well the really exciting thing too about these lucky
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Speaker 1: Patreons is on Sunday, we'll be dropping our monthly extra episode.
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Speaker 2: Yea, the exclusive. Uh so the individuals we had sign
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Speaker 2: up for Patreon this week, so special shout out to
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Speaker 2: Melissa Harper, Angie Arms McDaniel, Lexi Roy, Amy, Rudy Edge,
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Speaker 2: and Jessica Meeks Rutledge Rutledge, Amy Ruttledge. I just I
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Speaker 2: read the l is an I for a moment there
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Speaker 2: so Amy Ruttledge, I just clued in, so and then yeah,
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Speaker 2: Jessica Meeks, awesome, awesome, awesome, Thank you so much for
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Speaker 2: supporting us over on Patreon. To those who can't support
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Speaker 2: us or don't want to, that's totally cool. There's no need.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no hard feelings whatsoever.
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Speaker 2: Just appreciate you being here. And to those who do
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Speaker 2: decide to go support on Patreon, we appreciate that too,
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Speaker 2: So thank you so much. And yeah, the patrons will
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Speaker 2: get that extra exclusive episode coming up at.
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Speaker 1: The end of the month, yeah, which is very soon.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we are a day late today.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I was just going to say that. So it's
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Speaker 1: all really because of my injury. Actually I could blame
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Speaker 1: it all that, but it's honestly like I started doing
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Speaker 1: this case and then there and it was like it
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Speaker 1: was all right. But then I saw the book on
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Speaker 1: it and I was like, holy, this has like insane amount.
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Speaker 1: And one day I read like one hundred pages of
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Speaker 1: this book and I was like, uh, yeah, I need
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Speaker 1: an extra day, and we're putting a bunch more shit
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Speaker 1: in there.
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Speaker 2: That's totally fair. Once in a while we take that
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Speaker 2: extra day and we do it just to make sure,
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Speaker 2: we get that extra information and we do case justice.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, so this is there's a lot of info.
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Speaker 1: This is part one. This is going to be a
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Speaker 1: two parter. Now, it was definitely not going to be
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Speaker 1: to begin with, but I did not stop it in
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Speaker 1: an asshole spot.
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Speaker 2: That's good.
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Speaker 1: So you could very much listen to this and then
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Speaker 1: very much to listen to the next one and not
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Speaker 1: think I'm a giant jerk. So fair, there you go.
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Speaker 2: Can I touch on some true crime news that occurred today, yes,
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Speaker 2: before we get into the episodes, you do. So we
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Speaker 2: had two crazy things get announced today in the world
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Speaker 2: of true crime.
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Speaker 1: You okay, Well I heard about the one, the John
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Speaker 1: Bene Yes.
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Speaker 2: So the headline from Fox News says this regarding job
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Speaker 2: and a John Bine Ramsey crime scene, DNA could be
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Speaker 2: id'd in hours, Cold case researchers says, as family pushes
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Speaker 2: for answers, so really quick elevator pitch of this article,
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Speaker 2: which we will put in the links maybe this episode
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Speaker 2: as well, and of course social media elevator pitch. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: there is some uh, some DNA that the family pushing
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Speaker 2: to get idd it could potentially get turned away, but
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Speaker 2: they're really pushing idd and it could help in solving
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Speaker 2: the case. So that is really cool.
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Speaker 1: Well yeah, because I'm just looking here. So that was
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Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety six that she passed away. Okay, So gosh, man,
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Speaker 1: that'd be incredible if they were able to solve that, Ah,
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Speaker 1: it would be that'd be amazing.
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Speaker 2: And second piece of incredible news that came out today,
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Speaker 2: the infamous Somerton Man mystery may have been solved as
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Speaker 2: DNA points to the man's identity. Professor claims that is
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Speaker 2: the title of the article on CNN. So basically, a
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Speaker 2: professor who has dedicated decades to solving one of Australia's
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Speaker 2: most like enduring mysteries claims he's discovered the identity of
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Speaker 2: this mysterious Somerton Man. Apparently. He says that the body
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Speaker 2: of the man who identified as a Somerton Man was
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Speaker 2: one of a man called Carl Charles Webb, an electrical engineer,
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Speaker 2: and that's who he claims the mysterious man is in
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Speaker 2: this case is from nineteen forty.
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Speaker 1: Eight to so, and so this man was just never identified.
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Speaker 2: Correct.
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Speaker 1: I'm not familiar with this to be honest.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a crazy case, okay, And maybe you have
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Speaker 2: to cover that. Oh I planned on it one day
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Speaker 2: and maybe maybe now have too, sooner than later. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: but his findings have been yet to be verified. So
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Speaker 2: both the job and a case and this Somerton Man
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Speaker 2: case are currently still in the limbo mystery stage, but
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Speaker 2: both very well could be solved very soon.
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Speaker 1: Well that's so good like that they just don't give
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Speaker 1: up because and that's the thing. People think they get
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Speaker 1: away with shit, but you just might not.
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Speaker 2: And the biggest thing is conversations us on this podcast.
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Speaker 2: We probably will never solve a case. I mean, that'd
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Speaker 2: be absolutely insane if we did. But we probably will
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Speaker 2: never solve the case, let's be honest. However, us having
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Speaker 2: the conversation can get you guys out there having the conversation,
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Speaker 2: and it could get someone's name to someone who might
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Speaker 2: know something or might end up researching and passing that
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Speaker 2: information on and it accumulates and snowballs and years down
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Speaker 2: the road, someone might figure it out because someone somewhere
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Speaker 2: heard it on our podcast.
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Speaker 1: Well yeah, it's just saying that these people are not
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Speaker 1: they've never gotten forgotten right exactly, Which is it's awesome
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Speaker 1: And like true crime, is this a popular thing, right,
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Speaker 1: So it's great that these things are still talked about
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Speaker 1: and still researched and.
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Speaker 2: It is and exploring it through conversation like it's the
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Speaker 2: best thing you can can do. Like you say, it's
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Speaker 2: never been forgotten about and that sums it up beautifully.
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Speaker 2: So all done on that.
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Speaker 1: I five, Oh, thank you, smack smack.
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Speaker 2: Okay, we took up like almost eight minutes of an
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Speaker 2: intro here, so let's get into this epic stuff.
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Speaker 1: But let's go okay, okay, this is wild. Okay. I
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Speaker 1: do want to say the book, too, is unbelievable because
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Speaker 1: they've kind of skimmed and read some other true crime
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Speaker 1: books and I'm like, eh, it's kind of boring, but
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Speaker 1: this one no. So it's called The Runaway Devil, How
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Speaker 1: Forbidden Love drove a twelve year old to murder her
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Speaker 1: family And it is by Robert Remington. So I honestly
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Speaker 1: suggest reading this you listen to our podcast first and
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Speaker 1: then read it. And it is wild, wild.
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Speaker 2: Story, roller coaster.
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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Yeah, like unbelievable because I can't fit
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Speaker 1: everything in the podcast. I wish I could, but there's
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Speaker 1: just so much. Okay. So it was April twenty third,
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Speaker 1: two thousand and six in Medicine hat Alberta, Canada, a
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Speaker 1: city of roughly sixty thousand people. Gareth Jacob Richardson's next
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Speaker 1: door neighbor and best friend Race next door, after arriving
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Speaker 1: home from a morning out to see Jacob. The two
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Speaker 1: boys were supposed to have a sleepover at the Richardson's
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Speaker 1: house the previous night, but Gareth ended up going to
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Speaker 1: a hockey game with his grandma. Good old hockey game
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Speaker 1: in Canada, it's pretty typical.
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Speaker 2: A hello out there, we're on here. It's hockey night tonight.
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Speaker 1: As he peered through the window, he made a haunting
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Speaker 1: discovery and raced back to his mum and he said, Mummy,
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Speaker 1: there's bodies at Jacob's with blood all over them. I
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Speaker 1: saw them through the basement window.
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Speaker 2: Oh that's disturbing in itself, especially for a little boy
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Speaker 2: to be saying that. Holy shit.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think he was only like five or
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Speaker 1: six or something like he and then honestly too, like
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Speaker 1: his mom, I would be like, huh.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would assume she probably didn't believe him at first.
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Speaker 1: Well no, so Gareth's mom, Sarah looked at him in disrelief,
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Speaker 1: but followed Gareth across the driveway. They shared a driveway
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Speaker 1: with the Richardsons, and she warned Gareth though that he'd
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Speaker 1: better not be lying, that this is not something to
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Speaker 1: joke about fair. As Gareth pressed his hands and face
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Speaker 1: to a ground floor window, his mom did the same,
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Speaker 1: and she saw the body of a man laying face
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Speaker 1: up on the floor in his black boxer sorts. His
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Speaker 1: legs and face were coated in blood, so much so
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Speaker 1: Sarah couldn't even tell if it was Jacob's dad, Mark
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Speaker 1: Richardson or not. He appeared to be reaching out with
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Speaker 1: his arms in emotion, but he wasn't moving. She then
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Speaker 1: saw Jacob's mom, Deborah Richardson, behind the couch. She was
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Speaker 1: also lying on the floor, almost on her back in
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Speaker 1: an oddly bent angle, with her legs also coated in blood.
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Speaker 1: Sarah took her son, fearing the attacker could still be
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Speaker 1: in the area or maybe even in their house, called
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Speaker 1: her mom N nine one one while she waited in
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Speaker 1: her car on the street for them to arrive.
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Speaker 2: Holy shit, way to jump in head first.
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Speaker 1: Wow, Yeah, it's a lot egg.
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Speaker 2: That is a lot to absorb in a short amount
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Speaker 2: of time. Okay, yeah, that's page one. Wow, I don't
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Speaker 2: even know how to digest that at this point. Okay, yeah, okay,
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Speaker 2: keep going. I'm just trying to process this.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll buckle up here.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: So when Inspector Brent Sickendyke arrived at the scene and
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Speaker 1: looked into a basement window, he saw a body on
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Speaker 1: the floor covered in blood and called for backup. Really
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Speaker 1: not sure what he was dealing with here, he grabbed
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Speaker 1: his protective tactical shield from his cruiser, pulled his gun,
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Speaker 1: and waited for the backup to arrive. At one pm,
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Speaker 1: four policemen would enter the Richardson home and here is
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Speaker 1: what they would witness. This is just too much Already,
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Speaker 1: blood smears on the wall leading to the upstairs and basement.
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Speaker 1: Oh shit, more blood smears in the kitchen near the
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Speaker 1: handle of the back door. As they followed the trail
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Speaker 1: of smeared blood down to the basement. At the base
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Speaker 1: of the stairs, they came across Deborah's body. She was
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Speaker 1: lying on the floor in an unnatural position, partly on
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Speaker 1: her side and back, her face or sorry, her head
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Speaker 1: slightly propped on the back of the coach, where her
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Speaker 1: light brown hair was over her face. Her blue nightgown
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Speaker 1: was hiked up, showing her naked from the waist down.
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Speaker 1: She had a large blood stain around her body on
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Speaker 1: the carpet and blood smears all over her legs. A
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Speaker 1: little black dog was at her side, barking and whining.
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Speaker 2: Oh no, why did we have to bring animals into this?
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Speaker 2: That just fucking breaks my heart even more. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: To the left, a burly, dark haired man in his
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Speaker 1: boxer shorts laid face up on the floor in a
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Speaker 1: dark pool of blood. His legs, too, were smeared in blood.
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Speaker 1: The man's hands were clunched upright as if ready to fight.
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Speaker 1: His right eye socket was a gaping red wound, and
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Speaker 1: he had multiple slices, punctures, and cuts all over his
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Speaker 1: face and body. On the floor next to him was
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Speaker 1: a screwed that he used in an attempt to defend himself.
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Speaker 1: Blood was literally splattered all throughout the basement, on the
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Speaker 1: exercise equipment, TV and ceiling. Wow, like it would have
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Speaker 1: been a scene from Hell.
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Speaker 2: No kidding, that is more than a murder scene. That
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Speaker 2: is that sounds like a massacre. Holy shit, that's not cool, and.
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Speaker 1: It gets worse As they continued their search, Following this
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Speaker 1: smeared blood to the upstairs bedrooms. They would come across
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Speaker 1: a girl's pink bedroom. The bed was unmade, but there
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Speaker 1: appeared to be no signs of violence within the room.
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Speaker 1: The scene in the next bedroom was unfortunately drastically more gruesome.
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Speaker 1: It was a little boy's room, and on the bed
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Speaker 1: lay the body of Jacob in his underwear with a
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Speaker 1: large gash in his throat. There was blood on the bed, floor, walls,
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Speaker 1: and all over the toys that surrounded him, including his
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Speaker 1: Pokemon cards, wrestling figurines, and Star Wars lightsaber. And this
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Speaker 1: is the most gut wrenching part here, Like I freaking
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Speaker 1: solved when I read this. It was suspected that Jacob
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Speaker 1: grabbed his lightsaber at one point during the attack and
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Speaker 1: tried to use it to defend himself, giving all the
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Speaker 1: blood that was on the surface of the lightsaber.
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I can't shit.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I bawled my face off. That is just
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Speaker 1: like a lot.
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Speaker 2: Oh, my stomach is in fucking notts. Holy shit, that
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Speaker 2: is one of the saddest things I think we have
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Speaker 2: ever even come close to saying on this podcast.
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Speaker 1: Wow, I know I'm like spreading I almost left it out,
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Speaker 1: but it's just it's gut wrenching to like say the.
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Speaker 2: Least, and it honestly, I mean, I don't know the case,
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Speaker 2: but I'm sure it's very important to understand, like what happened,
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Speaker 2: what this end of it, ju ole did And if
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Speaker 2: I may say, can Jacob be or badass of the
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Speaker 2: day for trying to fight back with his lightsaber?
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Speaker 1: Well the dad too, Like I mean, we'll get into
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Speaker 1: that at some point, but the dad fought, like hell
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Speaker 1: okay to like protect and save his family as well.
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Speaker 2: Wow.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So three out of the four members of the
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Speaker 1: Richardson family just gone. Jacob was eight years old, Deborah
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Speaker 1: was forty eight, and Mark was forty two. Jasmine Richardson was, however,
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Speaker 1: missing from the scene. They searched the house numerous times
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Speaker 1: for her, but she was not to be found, which
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Speaker 1: the police were thankful for. Maybe she had spent the
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Speaker 1: night at a friend's house, But they also feared the worse,
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Speaker 1: did the person responsible for this scene also abduct Jasmine?
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Speaker 1: Was she the ultimate target in this gruesome crime? So
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Speaker 1: the police released statement that said they were searching for
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Speaker 1: the Richardson's daughter regarding a serious family matter. And sent
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Speaker 1: out an amber alert. Jasmine was twelve years old, but
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Speaker 1: as the events started being pieced together, they were in
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Speaker 1: for a shock of a lifetime. You see, Jasmine wasn't abducted,
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Speaker 1: her life was not miraculously spared, nor was she heartbroken
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Speaker 1: over the loss of her family, because the deaths of
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Speaker 1: her two parents and her little brother were at the
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Speaker 1: hands of herself and her twenty three year old boyfriend.
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Speaker 2: Kate, can you repeat that, please?
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Speaker 1: The deaths of her two parents and her little brother
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Speaker 1: were at the hands of herself and her twenty three
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Speaker 1: year old boyfriend.
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Speaker 2: There is a whole shit ton too unpack in that
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Speaker 2: sentence right there.
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Speaker 1: This is a brutal one.
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Speaker 2: It's brutal first and foremost, before we get into age.
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Speaker 2: You have this individual who slaughtered their family, their little
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Speaker 2: brother at the age of twelve, twelve, twelve years old,
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Speaker 2: with the help of their boyfriend in their years older. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: holy shit, Yes, it's wild. It's a wild case.
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Speaker 1: Wow, devastating. So I'm gonna jump back and give some
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Speaker 1: backstory on the Richardsons.
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Speaker 2: Please do because everyone's everywhere like what.
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Speaker 1: Okay? So, Mark and Deborah, who both suffered from addiction
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Speaker 1: previously before meeting, would marry in nineteen ninety one in
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Speaker 1: Ontario and vow to change their lives forever. They would
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Speaker 1: have their first child in October of nineteen ninety three, Jasmine,
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Speaker 1: and shortly before having their second child three years later, Jacob.
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Speaker 1: They would they would move to Aukentalks, Alberta. And I've
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Speaker 1: never even heard of this town. It's parents say it's
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Speaker 1: like eighteen kilometers south of Calgary, so it's very close.
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Speaker 2: I probably would have driven through it.
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Speaker 1: Then. I think that's how you say.
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Speaker 2: That sounds fun to say, oktos.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like an Alberta town. And I don't
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Speaker 1: mean that rudely at all.
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Speaker 2: Just it sounds like an amber alert town.
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Speaker 1: Alberta town.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm pretty sure you said it sounds like an
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Speaker 2: amber alert town.
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Speaker 1: And the amber alert happened.
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Speaker 2: Due no, but I thought you were meaning like, if
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Speaker 2: anywhere an amber alert is going to happen, it sounds
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Speaker 2: like this place. I was God, no, yeah, I was like, holy,
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Speaker 2: way to judge. Wow, but okay, thankfully you didn't say
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Speaker 2: that that was my assumption.
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Speaker 1: Well you assumed wrong.
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Speaker 2: Thank God. For a moment I thought you might be
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Speaker 2: a monster.
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Speaker 1: It's like Wow, I'm not a monster.
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Speaker 2: I was gonna do it, but I'm not going to
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Speaker 2: do it. Okay, I'm gonna do it. You're monster. There
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Speaker 2: we go.
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Speaker 1: Sorry, Okay. Times weren't always easy for the family. Deborah
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Speaker 1: would have to get food from the food bank at times,
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Speaker 1: but she was always stretching a dollar and making good
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Speaker 1: meals for the kids. Mark and Deborah also devoted their
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Speaker 1: lives to helping people get off drugs and alcohol, with
20:20
Speaker 1: Deborah a mentor and sponsor at Narcotics Anonymous. I think
20:25
Speaker 1: it's freaking awesome, no kidding, Like really shows what kind
20:28
Speaker 1: of people they are.
20:29
Speaker 2: Yeah.
20:30
Speaker 1: In the book regarding this case runaway Devil like, I
20:33
Speaker 1: mentioned a friend. A close friend said Deborah would sometimes
20:37
Speaker 1: call and say, don't need to call me back, just
20:39
Speaker 1: wanted to let you know that I love you until
20:41
Speaker 1: you love yourself. Her famous words were I love the
20:45
Speaker 1: bones and the skin you're in. Like that sounds so nice,
20:50
Speaker 1: no kidding. Another one that described the family would say
20:54
Speaker 1: they were a loving family and treated each other with respect.
20:58
Speaker 1: In September of two thousand and three, the family would
21:01
Speaker 1: get some good fortune when Mark, who had upgraded his
21:04
Speaker 1: courses in electrical engineering, was promoted in his career with
21:09
Speaker 1: Encana Corporation, which is a large Canadian oil and gas company.
21:14
Speaker 1: The company even paid for the family to move to
21:17
Speaker 1: Medicine Hat, which really excited them. It was about a
21:20
Speaker 1: three hour move away from where they were currently living.
21:24
Speaker 1: They had gone from relying on getting food from the
21:26
Speaker 1: food bank at one point in their lives to now
21:28
Speaker 1: having workers pack and move their belongings to their newly
21:31
Speaker 1: purchased family home in the suburban neighborhood of Rose Glenn.
21:36
Speaker 1: Their hard work showed, and they didn't seem to take
21:38
Speaker 1: it for granted either. Like does this family not sound amazing?
21:43
Speaker 2: They sound like they are picture perfect out of a
21:46
Speaker 2: Hallmark movie at this point. Yeah, Like I quite literally
21:51
Speaker 2: am like picturing their house with like fake snow on
21:53
Speaker 2: the front lawn, like Christmas lights and the dad's putting
21:56
Speaker 2: up a reindeer on the roof and rocking around the
21:58
Speaker 2: Christmas trees playing well, mom's taking cookies, Like holy.
22:01
Speaker 1: Shit, Yeah, I would honestly say, all that's probably true.
22:04
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay.
22:06
Speaker 1: Their son, Jacob was described as joyful and energetic. His
22:10
Speaker 1: teachers referred to him as the class clown in his
22:14
Speaker 1: kindergarten year book. He wrote that he wanted to be
22:16
Speaker 1: a policeman or a soldier when he grew up, Oh
22:19
Speaker 1: my god, and that the thing he liked best about
22:22
Speaker 1: himself was that he has a family and is very fast.
22:26
Speaker 2: Oh my god, can you please stop fucking pulling at
22:33
Speaker 2: my heart? Holy shit, I know, I know, Oh my
22:38
Speaker 2: fucking god. Okay.
22:40
Speaker 1: As for Jasmin, well, maybe she was pure and innocent
22:44
Speaker 1: at one time in her life, but she definitely took
22:47
Speaker 1: a very dark turn when the family moved to Medison
22:51
Speaker 1: Hat Jasmine was going into grade five, she decorated her
22:54
Speaker 1: room with treasures typical for an innocent preteen, stuffed animals,
23:00
Speaker 1: sheer white canopy over her single bed, collection of books,
23:04
Speaker 1: and the usual girlish clutter of scarfs, pens, body lotion,
23:08
Speaker 1: and a small wooden jewelry box with glass doors. Jasmine
23:12
Speaker 1: was described as happy and social who shared her mom's
23:16
Speaker 1: luminous smile. She attended a Catholic school and didn't seem
23:20
Speaker 1: to struggle making new friends. It would be in grade six, though,
23:25
Speaker 1: that Jasmine would start to change her Oh.
23:30
Speaker 2: To be fair, I think at grade six we all
23:32
Speaker 2: started to change.
23:33
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's a fucked up age.
23:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, you go through a whole lot of shit. There's hormones,
23:40
Speaker 2: there's you notice things, things are changing with things around
23:43
Speaker 2: you and with you.
23:43
Speaker 1: And in grade six or maybe more so like seven eight.
23:47
Speaker 2: Well, I mean once you start getting there, things start happening. Yeah,
23:50
Speaker 2: whether it's like immediate like a lot of shit. And
23:53
Speaker 2: I'm not necessarily just talking puberty, but personality changed too, right, well.
23:58
Speaker 1: When she was an early bloomer, which will get to
24:00
Speaker 1: which I think doesn't help with a lot of things.
24:02
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, So don't I don't want us to start
24:04
Speaker 2: judging her just because she started changing, because at that age,
24:07
Speaker 2: we all fucking know.
24:08
Speaker 1: That's totally fair. That's totally fair. So it was grade
24:12
Speaker 1: six though, oh I already said that jazz and search
24:14
Speaker 1: exchange bla blah. Her and some of her friends began
24:16
Speaker 1: to question the formal religion taught at their school, including
24:20
Speaker 1: the concept of hell. Jasmine seemed to absorb her mother's
24:25
Speaker 1: New Age interests, which included rey k Riky crystals and meditation.
24:31
Speaker 1: She also became interested in Wicca, which is a predominantly
24:36
Speaker 1: Western movement whose followers practice witchcraft and nature worship, and
24:41
Speaker 1: who see it as a religion based on pre Christian traditions.
24:45
Speaker 2: Which again Wicka has another bad ambience around it, sort
24:49
Speaker 2: of thing.
24:49
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily yeah, but it's not bad. It didn't
24:52
Speaker 1: seem all bad from what I read.
24:54
Speaker 2: No, it's not necessarily black magic. No, though some do
24:57
Speaker 2: correlate the two that way and do practice that, but
25:00
Speaker 2: that is not standard.
25:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, just because you have an interest in that, I
25:02
Speaker 1: don't think right away you'd be like, oh my gosh,
25:04
Speaker 1: that person's sketch, right, So you wouldn't.
25:07
Speaker 2: It's just like we have a true crime podcast, but
25:09
Speaker 2: we're not gonna go fucking murder someone. Some people think that.
25:13
Speaker 2: We've had people question that already, and it's we.
25:16
Speaker 1: Talked about that. Oh my gosh. So on her wall,
25:20
Speaker 1: out of black tape, she did she did up the
25:22
Speaker 1: pentagram symbol, which was like kind of an odd appearance
25:27
Speaker 1: in her like little girl room. You know, it was
25:29
Speaker 1: probably like a kind of a first sign ish, right.
25:33
Speaker 1: So she also started testing the limits of authority and
25:37
Speaker 1: at the Medicine hat Mall, she was drawn to the
25:40
Speaker 1: teens from the local goth crowd. Soon her and her
25:45
Speaker 1: friends would start adopting the goth look. Her wardrobe change
25:49
Speaker 1: to be more black, She started applying darker and more
25:53
Speaker 1: heavy makeup. She occasionally wore a choker and an oversized
25:57
Speaker 1: hoodie with the logo of a heavy metal band. One
26:00
Speaker 1: of her favorites at the time was the Misfits.
26:03
Speaker 2: Misfits are awesome.
26:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, they actually named a lot of bands, And I
26:07
Speaker 1: really would not have known if it wasn't for you.
26:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough. I have a feeling that a lot
26:13
Speaker 2: of her her musical interests would have lined up a
26:16
Speaker 2: lot with me, I think so.
26:18
Speaker 1: So she started being feared and avoided at school, with
26:21
Speaker 1: teachers often concerned over her appearance and how she acted.
26:26
Speaker 2: Feared and avoided. Oh, I guess this is like a
26:28
Speaker 2: religious a strict religious schoo Well, and I.
26:31
Speaker 1: Mean she was starting to like wear pretty dark makeup
26:34
Speaker 1: and dark clothes.
26:35
Speaker 2: And well, I mean that I wouldn't like, thinking back
26:38
Speaker 2: to high school. I know people who were like that
26:41
Speaker 2: in high school, and it's like teachers and stuff weren't
26:44
Speaker 2: fearful of them, you know. But I could see it
26:47
Speaker 2: maybe being a little more predominant in a say, for example,
26:51
Speaker 2: a heavily Catholic school. Yeah, because I mean that is
26:54
Speaker 2: going to more correlate to you know, satanic worship and stuff,
26:57
Speaker 2: whereas general public it's not. It's just all that person's goth,
27:01
Speaker 2: which is just like clothes.
27:04
Speaker 1: Yeah you know, yeah, in like a public school, it
27:07
Speaker 1: might not be as noticed kind of thing.
27:11
Speaker 2: Yeah I think so.
27:12
Speaker 1: Yeah.
27:13
Speaker 2: So.
27:13
Speaker 1: By the summer of two thousand and five, between grades
27:16
Speaker 1: six and seven, Jasmine was physically more mature than most
27:19
Speaker 1: of her friends. She was only eleven, but looked much
27:23
Speaker 1: older and could easily pass for fifteen or sixteen, Like way,
27:28
Speaker 1: looked way.
27:28
Speaker 2: Older, to be fair, to be fair, some people, some
27:34
Speaker 2: people might get that reference anyways. To be fair, I'm
27:38
Speaker 2: pretty sure that most kids nowadays who are like fucking
27:40
Speaker 2: ten twelve do look like they're sixteen anyways.
27:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh nowadays. Yeah, but this was back in like
27:46
Speaker 1: oh five or six.
27:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough.
27:48
Speaker 1: Like, sh shouldn't she be wearing like fucking butterfly clips
27:51
Speaker 1: and shit? Am I around that?
27:55
Speaker 2: Just because that's what you for doesn't mean that's what
27:57
Speaker 2: everyone else bought.
27:59
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I'm still probably wearing those in the
28:01
Speaker 1: grade eleven.
28:02
Speaker 2: Shit, I'm pretty sure you still have butterfly hair.
28:05
Speaker 1: I don't know you sure I still have like my
28:07
Speaker 1: polly pockets and stuff. Though, point proven they as are.
28:11
Speaker 1: I'm keeping those for life. Man, those are sweet. Not
28:14
Speaker 1: that I like play with them. They're keepsake ban.
28:16
Speaker 2: Okay, they're collectibles. Yeah, it's not a toy. It's an
28:18
Speaker 2: action figure, right, I.
28:21
Speaker 1: Know, my keepsake being probably some weird shit there.
28:23
Speaker 2: I've got action figures and they're displayed on our shelf
28:26
Speaker 2: right now. So I can't judge.
28:27
Speaker 1: You can't judge at all. Definitely not okay, So this
28:30
Speaker 1: is interesting. In the book I read, it mentioned research
28:34
Speaker 1: has shown that girls who reach early puberty are at
28:37
Speaker 1: risk for delinquency and aggressive behavior, and are also more
28:44
Speaker 1: likely to be depressed socially withdrawn, moody, and sexually active,
28:49
Speaker 1: which kind of all makes sense a little bit.
28:52
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, doesn't that all just come with hormones
28:54
Speaker 2: and puberty.
28:55
Speaker 1: Anyways, it does a little bit. But like I think
28:58
Speaker 1: they're probably feeling a bit like uncomfortable in their body
29:02
Speaker 1: when like other people in their age aren't where they're at,
29:06
Speaker 1: and so then they act out or they even like
29:08
Speaker 1: they are getting bullied about it. Yeah, like I could
29:11
Speaker 1: see developing early being not easy.
29:14
Speaker 2: I can see it too. I just question the fact
29:16
Speaker 2: that it took a scientific team to come up with that.
29:18
Speaker 1: You know, well, doesn't it take a scientific team to
29:20
Speaker 1: come up with everything?
29:22
Speaker 2: Fair enough?
29:23
Speaker 1: I mean that nicely, do you? Okay? So in August
29:27
Speaker 1: of two thousand and five, still eleven, Jasmine started dabbling
29:32
Speaker 1: on online social networking sites, which I feel like was
29:36
Speaker 1: not a good decision at what age eleven?
29:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's a little early. I guess.
29:44
Speaker 1: I don't know.
29:45
Speaker 2: I mean, I was on MSN and all that stuff
29:47
Speaker 2: back in the day.
29:48
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, it's just like she could go selth like.
29:50
Speaker 1: I just don't think I could have a kid. I'd
29:51
Speaker 1: just lock them up like they're they're not allowed to
29:54
Speaker 1: go anywhere.
29:55
Speaker 2: I just want to sum this up because I've been
29:56
Speaker 2: kind of cutting in a lot here, But to sum
29:58
Speaker 2: it up, I just I don't see a major problem
30:02
Speaker 2: with her actions yet. No, I know what it does
30:06
Speaker 2: later clearly have a problem with that.
30:08
Speaker 1: You'll they'll start getting a little bit more sketch.
30:10
Speaker 2: As for now, it just seems like your typical teenager
30:13
Speaker 2: going through.
30:14
Speaker 1: Something a little young though, Like I gosh, I'm just
30:16
Speaker 1: trying to remember what the hell I was doing at eleven.
30:18
Speaker 1: I don't even know what grade is that that's like
30:22
Speaker 1: grade five. Okay, I definitely was not on the fucking computer.
30:26
Speaker 1: I was probably still making my advice and.
30:27
Speaker 2: Shit grade five, oh shit really? Oh yeah, I was
30:31
Speaker 2: playing Pokemon, yeah, a game boy.
30:34
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think i'd be showing because
30:36
Speaker 1: I said it. Where was it? Okay? No? Grade six? No?
30:42
Speaker 1: I yeah, I just think I would be still like
30:44
Speaker 1: pretty innocent at that age. But I mean, everyone develops differently, fair.
30:48
Speaker 1: So she started with mind whiz dot Com, listing her
30:52
Speaker 1: orientation as bisexual and describing herself as single with a dog,
30:57
Speaker 1: and like, I'm sorry, but at that age, I don't
30:59
Speaker 1: even know if I necessarily have known what bisexual was.
31:02
Speaker 1: Her profile picture consisted of her holding a realistic looking
31:06
Speaker 1: replica handgun in her right hand and pointing it towards
31:10
Speaker 1: the ceiling.
31:11
Speaker 2: I do want to touch on the bisexual thing. I mean, like,
31:13
Speaker 2: things have evolved a lot since the early two thousands.
31:18
Speaker 2: It wasn't much of a topic for us when we
31:19
Speaker 2: were that age. Yeah, so yeah, it would be a
31:22
Speaker 2: little bit more rare for someone to have that conversation. Yeah,
31:26
Speaker 2: but if they felt that way, I mean I'm sure
31:28
Speaker 2: that they would know inherently you're right.
31:30
Speaker 1: Nowadays, that probably wouldn't be abnormal to know that.
31:32
Speaker 2: Definitely not. No, I think that's a good thing.
31:34
Speaker 1: Honestly, it is a good thing. Actually, yeah, so I'll
31:37
Speaker 1: actually post a photo of I think that's the photo,
31:41
Speaker 1: a post of her holding the replica handgun, because it
31:44
Speaker 1: is literally mind blowing that in that fucking photo she's eleven. Like,
31:48
Speaker 1: there's just no way, There's just no way. I don't know. Okay.
31:51
Speaker 1: Then she was on MySpace, where she had the username
31:55
Speaker 1: x Underscore Madness Underscore x and listed her age as sixteen,
32:01
Speaker 1: listing her interests as hatchets, serial killers, criminal psychology, blood moonlight,
32:09
Speaker 1: human anonymy, and kinky shit and kinky shit, also listing
32:14
Speaker 1: the serial killer and cannibal Jeffrey Dalmer as a hero
32:19
Speaker 1: along with Chris Angel and a few heavy metal artists.
32:23
Speaker 2: Chris Angel we can barely consider him a heavy metal artist.
32:26
Speaker 1: No, he no, along with Chris Angel, and oh well
32:31
Speaker 1: he was he was.
32:32
Speaker 2: He he's a musician as well.
32:34
Speaker 1: Oh I thought he was just a magician.
32:37
Speaker 2: He was a magician and a musician. You know that
32:39
Speaker 2: song I am a mind for he sold mine for?
32:41
Speaker 1: Oh that was him? It Okay, because yeah, he was
32:44
Speaker 1: like you'd consider him probably goth right, little goth.
32:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, his style, I would say, is goth.
32:50
Speaker 1: Yah, yeah, which I mean, okay, all, that's pretty much fine.
32:54
Speaker 1: The kinky shit's okay. No, Actually, no, being interests of
32:57
Speaker 1: serial killers, well, I guess that. Fuck. I don't even
33:00
Speaker 1: know if I can say, because with that be one
33:02
Speaker 1: of my interests, there's a line. Shit, and like having
33:07
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Dahmer is a hero, Yes, that's fuck.
33:10
Speaker 2: That's where it kind of gets into it. If you
33:12
Speaker 2: have an interest in serial killers, I think there is
33:15
Speaker 2: a problem in my opinion, and I could be wrong,
33:18
Speaker 2: and it may not be one hundred percent of the time.
33:19
Speaker 1: But it would be an interest in like true crime.
33:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an interest in the stories. It's an interest
33:24
Speaker 2: in what happened. It's an interest in understanding all the dynamics.
33:30
Speaker 2: But saying I like the serial killers that I think
33:34
Speaker 2: is not cool because I love true crime. I fucking
33:38
Speaker 2: hate Cereal kills.
33:39
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they're assholes, They're nasty. What do you say?
33:42
Speaker 1: Douche canoes?
33:43
Speaker 2: Douche canoes to the nines.
33:45
Speaker 1: So when she started grade seven that fall, the change
33:48
Speaker 1: in Jasmine was very noticeable and dramatic as for the
33:52
Speaker 1: school counselor short skirts, chains, fishnet stockings, spiked callers, blackmeshed
34:00
Speaker 1: and heavy eye makeup with eye accents of teardrops and
34:05
Speaker 1: stars drawn in black eyeliner, which all was very much
34:09
Speaker 1: so breaking the school's dress code. As you could imagine,
34:15
Speaker 1: Shortly after Jasmine's twelve birthday, she would be introduced to
34:19
Speaker 1: Jeremy Stanky in the mall and she was very much
34:24
Speaker 1: so drawn to him. He was hyper and the center
34:27
Speaker 1: of attention. People really loved him. Around this time, Jasmine
34:32
Speaker 1: would also start getting into arguments with her parents. They
34:35
Speaker 1: did not approve of her older male friends, and rightfully so,
34:41
Speaker 1: along with Raven who was nineteen and trench Coat, who
34:45
Speaker 1: was in his early twenties. Trench Coat, yep, these are
34:49
Speaker 1: two people's names.
34:50
Speaker 2: You know you're a winner if your nickname is trench Coat,
34:52
Speaker 2: if that's what people go by, good old trench Coat.
34:55
Speaker 1: So those were two of her friends that were just
34:58
Speaker 1: like friends. There was Jeremy who was twenty seven years old,
35:02
Speaker 1: that's eleven years older than Jasmine. Now, Jeremy was a
35:06
Speaker 1: high school dropout with a history of violence. To say,
35:10
Speaker 1: his upbringing wasn't great would be an understatement. His mother
35:14
Speaker 1: was an alcoholic and she had terrible partners over the
35:17
Speaker 1: years that abused him like very much, so abused him.
35:21
Speaker 1: He also started down a path of drugs and alcohol
35:24
Speaker 1: in his early teen years, including pot, ecstasy, acid, and mushrooms.
35:31
Speaker 1: His mom said he suffered from ADHD and at one
35:33
Speaker 1: point tried to hang himself, saying he wished he was
35:36
Speaker 1: never born. He was also a cutter.
35:40
Speaker 2: Damn.
35:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if I need to elaborate on
35:43
Speaker 1: what a cutter is.
35:44
Speaker 2: No, And I mean that's super unfortunate. Honestly, I know
35:47
Speaker 2: some people in real life who did that in their
35:49
Speaker 2: early years and stuff. And it's not not something to
35:53
Speaker 2: joke about. No, it's very unfortunate.
35:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was actually a stat Oh my gosh, I
35:59
Speaker 1: don't know if I could find really quickly in here
36:03
Speaker 1: about how this many people actually do this, Like it
36:07
Speaker 1: was like, whoa.
36:08
Speaker 2: It's actually quite prevalent.
36:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I feel like it said it was, oh,
36:12
Speaker 1: my Internet's not going to be nice to me, like
36:15
Speaker 1: twenty percent or wow or something. Okay, So I found
36:20
Speaker 1: this just distict and what it says is that one
36:24
Speaker 1: in every two hundred adolescent girls between the age of
36:27
Speaker 1: thirteen and nineteen regularly cut themselves.
36:31
Speaker 2: Okay, that's still high, but it's definitely lower than twenty.
36:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is lower, but I that is like a
36:36
Speaker 1: lot higher than I anticipated it to be.
36:38
Speaker 2: That is still significant.
36:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I was like, holy, Okay. So it wasn't
36:43
Speaker 1: until the summer of two thousand and five that Jeremy
36:45
Speaker 1: started to go goth. He was looking for a new
36:49
Speaker 1: crowd and they were very accepting of him, which I
36:53
Speaker 1: have heard that of people who are goth, right, like
36:57
Speaker 1: they're very accepting.
36:58
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, like I've been kind of not goth, but
37:02
Speaker 2: like punk. I've been kind of part of that scene
37:05
Speaker 2: throughout my life, and people in that sort of genre
37:10
Speaker 2: they're generally outcast themselves. So if you feel like you're
37:13
Speaker 2: fitting in with them, they accept that. They're not going
37:16
Speaker 2: to fight back because they know what it feels like.
37:18
Speaker 2: So they're usually open arms in those sort of crowds.
37:21
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, so, and Jeremy enjoyed hanging out with
37:26
Speaker 1: a younger crowd. Though his mom never admitted to drinking
37:29
Speaker 1: during her pregnancy, it was speculated that Jeremy had fetal
37:33
Speaker 1: alcohol spectrum disorder, and apparently the desire to hang out
37:38
Speaker 1: with a younger crowd is common among people with this disorder.
37:42
Speaker 1: Their developmental problems often include scented growth and lower mental
37:47
Speaker 1: and emotional capabilities than others in their age group. So
37:52
Speaker 1: though they have a desire to have friends, they can
37:55
Speaker 1: often be rejected by their peers because of their social immaturity.
38:00
Speaker 2: So just kind of like what I said, we have
38:02
Speaker 2: two people who are trying to fit in right, and
38:05
Speaker 2: once they find someone else like them, they're going to
38:08
Speaker 2: be open arms. Yeah, so we kind of almost have
38:11
Speaker 2: a perfect storm between these two. One who's not fitting
38:13
Speaker 2: with their peers because they're outgrown them, for lack of
38:16
Speaker 2: better words, and one who is not fitting with their
38:18
Speaker 2: peers because their peers are outgrowing them, for lack of
38:21
Speaker 2: better terms.
38:21
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, and this is the other thing I really
38:24
Speaker 1: wanted to know. Jeremy was also described as hyperactive. His
38:28
Speaker 1: mom described him as ADHD, and it's common to suffer
38:32
Speaker 1: from both. So people with fetal alcohol effects and ADHD
38:36
Speaker 1: can be impulsive and can put themselves in dangerous situations
38:41
Speaker 1: without thinking about the consequences, which I think really needs
38:46
Speaker 1: to be mentioned in this case. More commonly, what you
38:51
Speaker 1: might hear about Jeremy though, is that he like this
38:55
Speaker 1: is like all this other stuff that I said was
38:57
Speaker 1: in the book, But when you read like news stories,
39:00
Speaker 1: it's often that he wore a vile of blood around
39:04
Speaker 1: his neck, claiming he liked the taste of blood. He
39:08
Speaker 1: was a self proclaimed three hundred year old werewolf and
39:12
Speaker 1: a soul eater. Wow, that would be like kind of
39:16
Speaker 1: how the media described him. Jasmine and Jeremy would start
39:21
Speaker 1: casually seeing each other in December of two thousand and five,
39:24
Speaker 1: and around February of two thousand and six, Jeremy sent
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Speaker 1: Jasmine an email asking her to be his girlfriend, to
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Speaker 1: which she said yes. And you could say the pair
39:37
Speaker 1: might not have been the best influence on each other.
39:40
Speaker 1: One thing I should note too, is like Jeremy didn't
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Speaker 1: realize how old Jasmine was exactly. Like I think he
39:46
Speaker 1: thought that she was like fifteen or something, which is
39:49
Speaker 1: still way too young that is, but I mean her
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Speaker 1: profile online did say she was sixteen years old. Yeah,
39:57
Speaker 1: and she didn't realize some of the stuff I read
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Speaker 1: how old exactly he was, So I don't know, I
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Speaker 1: don't know. The two of them communicated through VampireFreaks dot Com,
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Speaker 1: which is currently an online clothing store, but up until
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty was a social networking site. And Next how
40:17
Speaker 1: do you say that.
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Speaker 2: Nextopia, Nextopia or Nextopia?
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Speaker 1: Yeah so pa and which is a Canadian networking website.
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Speaker 1: Jeremy went By Soul Eater and Jasmine Runaway Devil. They
40:30
Speaker 1: confess their love to each other over Messenger at the
40:33
Speaker 1: beginning of March, so like, that's very soon. They pretty
40:37
Speaker 1: much were official and like around Valentine's Day and then
40:42
Speaker 1: beginning of March they're like telling each other they love
40:44
Speaker 1: each other.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no kidding, but.
40:46
Speaker 1: I mean lots of times at young ages.
40:48
Speaker 2: Yea, Yeah, things go really fast. It's lust and you
40:51
Speaker 2: don't quite understand it and.
40:53
Speaker 1: It could have been like first love kind of thing.
40:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 1: So a few days after, Jeremy wrote Jasmine song titled
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Speaker 1: Till death do We Part and I'll bless your ears
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Speaker 1: with it.
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Speaker 2: Let's hear it.
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Speaker 1: You're the blood that flows through my veins. You're the
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Speaker 1: sun breaking through the clouds when it rains. My love
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Speaker 1: is for you forever as we die here together, We'll
41:18
Speaker 1: be together forever till death do we part. And then
41:24
Speaker 1: he signed it off, hope you enjoy, love you tons later,
41:28
Speaker 1: cuddle Bunny, and he went later as like I had
41:32
Speaker 1: to look this up because like, yeah, I was like
41:36
Speaker 1: what does that mean? And I just like I should
41:38
Speaker 1: have known, but it's been a wall. It's been a wall.
41:41
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's how he spelled later.
41:43
Speaker 2: Wow.
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Speaker 1: Jasmine's relationship with her parents, as you could imagine, was
41:49
Speaker 1: steadily declining. Yeah, I would assume so after leaving her brother. Okay,
41:55
Speaker 1: this is so. At one point she left her brother
41:57
Speaker 1: alone while she was supposed to be baby sitting him
42:01
Speaker 1: and they were at like a work function, and so
42:04
Speaker 1: they grounded her indefinitely because he got scared. I mean
42:07
Speaker 1: he was like eight and called and was like I'm
42:09
Speaker 1: home alone when she was supposed to be babysitting, Like
42:11
Speaker 1: what the fuck. They also started monitoring her computer pages,
42:18
Speaker 1: eventually deciding to box up their computer altogether so she
42:21
Speaker 1: could no longer use it. This soever didn't stop Jasmine.
42:25
Speaker 1: I mean, I think a lot of things parents do,
42:27
Speaker 1: it's like they just find a way, right.
42:29
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, kids will always find a way. The best thing.
42:32
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm no parents, I don't know, but from
42:35
Speaker 2: my experience, what my parents did with me. The best
42:38
Speaker 2: thing to do is be involved, be involved with it. Yeah,
42:43
Speaker 2: because I was starting to get to the age where
42:45
Speaker 2: I was going to go out and you know, have
42:46
Speaker 2: some drinks with friends and party when I was under age.
42:50
Speaker 2: Not to you know, criminalize my parents here with this,
42:53
Speaker 2: but they would bootleg for me. They would go buy
42:56
Speaker 2: me alcohol, and they would tell me, Okay, as long
42:58
Speaker 2: as you have the money, we'll buy it for you.
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Speaker 2: Drink responsibly, tell us where you are, tell us when
43:03
Speaker 2: you need to be picked up, doesn't matter the time, whatever,
43:06
Speaker 2: we will be there. We will get you. And that
43:09
Speaker 2: honesty kept a lot open.
43:11
Speaker 1: You would have found a way to get that alcohol.
43:13
Speaker 1: Regardless of that.
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Speaker 2: One hundred percent.
43:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, my parents were pretty involved too, So like if
43:20
Speaker 1: I wanted alcohol as well, I would be able to
43:22
Speaker 1: just get it from them.
43:23
Speaker 2: Yeah. Not to say you should go buy your underage
43:25
Speaker 2: kids alcohol. That's not what I'm saying.
43:27
Speaker 1: No, But like, yeah, the involvement and stuff, I don't know. Yeah,
43:32
Speaker 1: but honestly, sometimes I think you could probably just do
43:36
Speaker 1: anything and it's not going to work either.
43:38
Speaker 2: That's true, But work with them, not against them, you
43:41
Speaker 2: know what I mean.
43:42
Speaker 1: So she would just go about using the computers at
43:44
Speaker 1: the public library, like done right, and she would go
43:48
Speaker 1: about imagining her life what her life would be like
43:51
Speaker 1: without parents. After completing some successful family counseling sessions, Mark
43:58
Speaker 1: and Debra decided to let jazz and go to one
44:00
Speaker 1: of the punk shows to see her friends, with the
44:03
Speaker 1: stipulation that they attended with her. I mean, she's twelve, right.
44:08
Speaker 1: I don't feel like that's that bad.
44:09
Speaker 2: That's not outrage I don't even.
44:11
Speaker 1: Like a lot of parents probably wouldn't even let them
44:13
Speaker 1: go at twelve, right, that's like really young, that is young.
44:17
Speaker 1: But that proved to be a disaster because at one
44:19
Speaker 1: point she wandered off and was later found in the
44:23
Speaker 1: back alley making out with Jeremy. That's when the real
44:28
Speaker 1: punishment started. She was grounded for a month, no phone
44:32
Speaker 1: or computer privileges, not allowed to listen to music. They
44:35
Speaker 1: took away her eyeliner and hair straightener, and she was
44:39
Speaker 1: to go directly to school and home afterwards. All friends
44:42
Speaker 1: were turned away at the door. So boom, they're like
44:45
Speaker 1: putting their foot down here.
44:47
Speaker 2: Fair enough, I mean, rightfully?
44:49
Speaker 1: So yeah. So Jasmine, though, felt like she was a
44:54
Speaker 1: prisoner in her own home and grew increasingly angry, angry
44:58
Speaker 1: about her lack of freedom and privacy. On March twentieth,
45:02
Speaker 1: she wrote to Jeremy Rarr, I hate them, so I
45:07
Speaker 1: have this plan. It begins with me killing them and
45:11
Speaker 1: ends with me living with you. So we are set.
45:14
Speaker 1: I'm going to try and call you, but I really
45:16
Speaker 1: don't know if I'll be able to. They are treating
45:19
Speaker 1: me like shit. I hate them so much, but I
45:23
Speaker 1: hope this won't bring us apart. I hope to talk
45:26
Speaker 1: to you soon, and I love you with all my
45:29
Speaker 1: heart love.
45:31
Speaker 2: Wow, there's a lot of emotion in that. Yeah.
45:35
Speaker 1: So the next day Jeremy wrote back and said, well,
45:40
Speaker 1: I love your plan, but we need to get a
45:43
Speaker 1: little more creative with like details and stuff. I wish
45:48
Speaker 1: they wouldn't treat you that way, Gurr. It angers me
45:52
Speaker 1: to hear that I dislike them very much. Don't worry.
45:56
Speaker 1: I love you too, my sexy beast.
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Speaker 2: Okay that was a bit much.
46:02
Speaker 1: Okay your eye rolls, I just can see and go up.
46:05
Speaker 1: I hope to hear from you soon. To take care
46:09
Speaker 1: of my love. You have the key to my heart,
46:12
Speaker 1: and soon enough you shall have my heart if I
46:15
Speaker 1: die anyway, because if I give it to you now,
46:18
Speaker 1: I'll die then and you won't be able to hear
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Speaker 1: me say how much I love you love xoxo.
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Speaker 2: Xo xox So that's very gossip Girl of him. Wow, Okay,
46:30
Speaker 2: I'm ashamed that I know that. Oh my god.
46:33
Speaker 1: Well no, he went XO xoxo in gossip Girl. I
46:35
Speaker 1: think it's just xoxo gossip Girl. Still, anyway, he's like
46:40
Speaker 1: a bit much.
46:41
Speaker 2: He's a bit much for sure, Like it's.
46:43
Speaker 1: A bit much. I'm a little done with that. Well,
46:46
Speaker 1: the amount of shit emails I read.
46:49
Speaker 2: I'm not going I think it's a bit much, but
46:51
Speaker 2: I'm not going to judge him on that. I mean,
46:54
Speaker 2: young love and with the potential alcohol feed al alcohol
47:00
Speaker 2: syndrome was.
47:00
Speaker 1: It, yes, fetal alcohol syndrome disorder and ADHD. I know, Okay,
47:07
Speaker 1: I know, but the yeah, and he's showing his affection
47:09
Speaker 1: and stuff, but it's like it's a bit over the top.
47:12
Speaker 2: It's a bit over the top for me. But that's
47:15
Speaker 2: not to say anyone can be like.
47:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, what the fuck, I've never received any love notes
47:19
Speaker 1: like that.
47:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you get a go fuck yourself instead.
47:25
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, bring maybe I need to find a Jeremy. Okay,
47:29
Speaker 1: So on March twenty fourth, Jeremy posted a poem on
47:33
Speaker 1: his next Opia how do you say that shit nextopia
47:37
Speaker 1: or next Opia page that read my and like this
47:41
Speaker 1: shit's public. This is the thing that's just like, it's
47:43
Speaker 1: just not very smart. So my girlfriend's family are totally unfair.
47:49
Speaker 1: They say that they really care, They don't know what
47:52
Speaker 1: is going on. They just assume. As their greed continues
47:56
Speaker 1: to consume, she is slowly going insane. She continues to
48:01
Speaker 1: think that I came into her life to help her
48:03
Speaker 1: out and to stop what they keep trying to shout.
48:07
Speaker 1: It's all total bullshit their throats. I want to slit.
48:11
Speaker 1: They will regret the shit they have done, especially when
48:14
Speaker 1: I see to it that they are gone. They pay
48:17
Speaker 1: for their insolence. Finally they shall be silence. Their blood
48:23
Speaker 1: shall be payment.
48:25
Speaker 2: Wow, that's that's incriminating. If there's anything I've ever heard
48:29
Speaker 2: that is incriminating.
48:30
Speaker 1: Yep, And right there, we're stopping the episode.
48:34
Speaker 2: Oh shit, of course you are, so next episode. I
48:37
Speaker 2: thought you said you weren't leaving us on a cliffhanger.
48:39
Speaker 1: That's alanger. I've given so many details.
48:43
Speaker 2: Still we are at the point where we know he
48:46
Speaker 2: is about to converse about committing this.
48:49
Speaker 1: I felt it was a very kind spot. So next
48:52
Speaker 1: episode we'll be talking about the final days leading up
48:55
Speaker 1: to the murders, Jeremy's final words to Jasmine's dad, and
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Speaker 1: the aftermath that entailed, including how they spent their time
49:04
Speaker 1: before being caught, which is just disgusting, and the punishments
49:08
Speaker 1: they received or the lack thereof.
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Speaker 2: Wow, So tune in next time.
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Speaker 1: Tune in next time to Wicked and Grim.
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Speaker 2: Wow.
49:17
Speaker 1: That's good.
49:18
Speaker 2: You need to get more announcing about it.
49:20
Speaker 1: I could do it really well.
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Speaker 2: Okay, do it, do it? Let's hear it. Okay, well,
49:23
Speaker 2: we'll both do our best announcer voice. Let's do you.
49:27
Speaker 1: Tune in next time to Wicked and Graham. That was
49:30
Speaker 1: actually pretty shitty.
49:33
Speaker 2: Really like this. You gotta get like authority. Authority.
49:40
Speaker 1: Oh, I see how you're setting yourself up.
49:41
Speaker 2: I'm gonna lose shoulders math right, So you go tune
49:45
Speaker 2: in next time to Wicked and Grim like that.
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Speaker 1: Okay, that's how you can finish all of our episode.
49:52
Speaker 1: From here on out, Ben will become an announcer at
49:55
Speaker 1: the very end of every podcast.
49:58
Speaker 2: How I'll do our outro a whole like Patreon social
50:02
Speaker 2: media speel like this. Okay, le's that I can do this.
50:05
Speaker 1: Let's do it.
50:05
Speaker 2: For the record, this is completely improv so I don't
50:09
Speaker 2: have scriptures.
50:09
Speaker 1: I can tell this is fucking improv.
50:12
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50:16
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