Latest / Outspoken the Podcast / Sophie Guidolin's C-Section Scare

Transcript

Sophie Guidolin's C-Section Scare · Outspoken the Podcast

• 0:03
  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
• 0:06
  Speaker 1: hottest influencer.
• 0:07
  Speaker 2: And pop culture news twice a week.
• 0:09
  Speaker 1: I'm Kate Torber and coming up on today's show, Rebecca
• 0:12
  Speaker 1: Little calls out the behaviour of a fellow influencer at
• 0:15
  Speaker 1: the Wicked premiere. Tammy Hembrough admits she struggled to cope
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: following her public divorce and Sophie Guedelin's C-section scar. But first,
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: Matt Paul's fiancee, Annalise Oatway, has been caught out selling
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: a sofa bed she advertised just.
• 0:31
  Speaker 2: Two days earlier. So as part of a paid.
• 0:35
  Speaker 1: Partnership with ACOSA, the nurse created a reel of her
• 0:38
  Speaker 1: and her Ironman fiancee putting the bed together. And it
• 0:41
  Speaker 1: was pretty funny because Annalise kept making all these jokes
• 0:44
  Speaker 1: that this room was a bit of a refresh, going
• 0:46
  Speaker 1: to be a second lounge room for her kids, but
• 0:49
  Speaker 1: also the doghouse for Matt when he played too much golf,
• 0:52
  Speaker 1: which I thought was quite funny because Recently, we've had
• 0:54
  Speaker 1: a lot of followers messaging us saying, oh my God,
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: poor Annalise. She's always stuck at home with the kids
• 0:59
  Speaker 1: while Matt's out golfing. So obviously it's a bit of
• 1:02
  Speaker 1: a contentious topic. I like when influencers actually play off
• 1:05
  Speaker 1: that though, because it's a great way to create engagement,
• 1:08
  Speaker 1: get people commenting and DMing this on. Well, it appears
• 1:12
  Speaker 1: like Matt won't have a luxury place to recline next
• 1:14
  Speaker 1: time he actually goes and plays golf because the king
• 1:17
  Speaker 1: sofa bed that they advertised was up for sale on
• 1:20
  Speaker 1: Marketplace two days later. Now, the sofa bed in question
• 1:24
  Speaker 1: is called the Sydney Sofa Bed and retails for $ 2, 350.
• 1:27
  Speaker 1: It's actually currently on sale as part of Black Friday
• 1:33
  Speaker 1: for $.
• 1:33
  Speaker 3: 1, 645.
• 1:34
  Speaker 1: If you do want it, Annalise has listed it as
• 1:36
  Speaker 1: $ 45 cheaper, so $ 1, 600. I like it. She's trying to
• 1:40
  Speaker 1: be a bit competitive with the pricing there. I want
• 1:42
  Speaker 1: to know, was this gifted to her in exchange for
• 1:47
  Speaker 1: the post or Was it gifted to her as well
• 1:50
  Speaker 1: as her being paid to put up the post? Well,
• 1:52
  Speaker 1: I think that makes a big difference because I was thinking, well,
• 1:54
  Speaker 1: is it okay for an influencer to sell items that
• 1:56
  Speaker 1: they gifted as part of.
• 1:57
  Speaker 2: A paid partnership?
• 1:58
  Speaker 1: Personally, I think I would like to know the finer
• 2:01
  Speaker 1: details about the partnership before I make my decision on
• 2:03
  Speaker 1: this one, because if it was a contra deal where
• 2:06
  Speaker 1: they were given the couch to promote it, I think
• 2:09
  Speaker 1: it's okay to sell it because that has been how
• 2:12
  Speaker 1: you've been paid. Yeah, that was the incentive for doing
• 2:15
  Speaker 1: it because you wanted the item. And it doesn't make
• 2:17
  Speaker 1: sense as to why you'd sell it.
• 2:18
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 2:18
  Speaker 1: So I think in this situation it seems like they
• 2:21
  Speaker 1: were paid to make the reel and on top of
• 2:23
  Speaker 1: that they were given the couch so that they could
• 2:25
  Speaker 1: actually create the video from it. See, that to me
• 2:29
  Speaker 1: gives more reason to give it away because you were
• 2:31
  Speaker 1: just doing the post because of the partnership in place. Yeah,
• 2:34
  Speaker 1: but then should the content have been different? Rather than
• 2:36
  Speaker 1: saying I'm actually– renovating my second lounge room and this
• 2:40
  Speaker 1: is going to be a key part of it. And,
• 2:42
  Speaker 1: you know, putting your personal spin on it, that Matt's
• 2:44
  Speaker 1: going to be sleeping on it in the doghouse. Yeah, because,
• 2:47
  Speaker 1: but she's trying to make it not as much of
• 2:48
  Speaker 1: a sell. She's trying to make it engaging for her audience.
• 2:50
  Speaker 1: It's a real catch 22, isn't it?
• 2:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:52
  Speaker 1: But the thing is people are going to notice the
• 2:54
  Speaker 1: couch isn't there when she films in that room again,
• 2:56
  Speaker 1: if she does. I mean, she's not someone that vlogs
• 2:58
  Speaker 1: her daily life, but.
• 3:00
  Speaker 2: You can get caught out. And I mean, she's been
• 3:02
  Speaker 2: caught out. It's very embarrassing.
• 3:03
  Speaker 1: It's quite damaging for her moving forward with brand deals.
• 3:06
  Speaker 1: I'm just of the opinion that an influencer does have
• 3:09
  Speaker 1: the right to get rid of said item if it
• 3:12
  Speaker 1: no longer serves them. However, I think you need to
• 3:15
  Speaker 1: wait a little bit longer than two days.
• 3:17
  Speaker 2: I think that's what the issue is.
• 3:19
  Speaker 1: Perhaps wait a couple of months when everyone's forgotten about
• 3:22
  Speaker 1: the deal that you've just done and then offload the
• 3:25
  Speaker 1: item or I think the issue was also someone making
• 3:28
  Speaker 1: money off it. So maybe give the item away to
• 3:31
  Speaker 1: a charity or a family member.
• 3:33
  Speaker 2: But, I mean, if you want.
• 3:34
  Speaker 1: Don't make money off it. If you do sneakily want
• 3:36
  Speaker 1: to make cash out of it, put it on someone
• 3:39
  Speaker 1: else's Facebook.
• 3:39
  Speaker 2: Don't do it on your own.
• 3:40
  Speaker 1: No, but you know what? I was going to say
• 3:41
  Speaker 1: have a fake account, but Facebook Marketplace are really cracking
• 3:44
  Speaker 1: down on accounts. You have to have your phone number
• 3:47
  Speaker 1: attached to it. I mean, but that being said, Matt
• 3:49
  Speaker 1: Paul's more famous than her.
• 3:50
  Speaker 2: So I feel like he.
• 3:51
  Speaker 1: Would get caught out too if he was sharing it.
• 3:53
  Speaker 1: But it's bad because it's the deal that she did. No,
• 3:55
  Speaker 1: but don't get Matt to do it. Get a friend
• 3:57
  Speaker 1: or your family member or something. Like just someone, not
• 4:00
  Speaker 1: your own account. It just looks bad. It does look
• 4:02
  Speaker 1: like they have a relatively small place though. So, I mean,
• 4:05
  Speaker 1: if this bed, you didn't really need it and it
• 4:07
  Speaker 1: was taking up a lot of room.
• 4:08
  Speaker 2: It's a sofa bed though. It folds up. Yeah, I know,
• 4:10
  Speaker 2: but you might.
• 4:10
  Speaker 1: Not want it in your house. I mean, I didn't
• 4:12
  Speaker 1: actually see it.
• 4:13
  Speaker 2: Was it not particularly nice looking? No, it was really nice.
• 4:15
  Speaker 2: It looked really comfy. I don't know why they got
• 4:17
  Speaker 2: rid of it.
• 4:17
  Speaker 1: Well, they've got a wedding to pay for, so perhaps
• 4:19
  Speaker 1: they need the extra cash.
• 4:21
  Speaker 2: I trust the process and I trust him.
• 4:23
  Speaker 1: I think it would be a bit hard if I
• 4:25
  Speaker 1: didn't trust him. Sophie Guedelin has left her followers puzzled
• 4:29
  Speaker 1: after she spoke about the location of her C-section scar.
• 4:34
  Speaker 1: During an Instagram Q & A, the controversial fitness influencer
• 4:37
  Speaker 1: was asked why her C-section scar isn't visible in her
• 4:41
  Speaker 1: bikini photos.
• 4:42
  Speaker 2: Kate, can you tell us more?
• 4:43
  Speaker 1: Well, as someone who has fairly recently had a cesarean,
• 4:46
  Speaker 1: Sophie's answer had me floored. So she responded to the
• 4:49
  Speaker 1: followers question writing, it was on my vulva, like the
• 4:52
  Speaker 1: top of where.
• 4:53
  Speaker 2: My labia joints.
• 4:55
  Speaker 1: She then went on to share that a naturopath had
• 4:57
  Speaker 1: performed deep trauma healing on her scar and now it's
• 5:00
  Speaker 1: completely gone. Now, unfortunately for those who want to book
• 5:04
  Speaker 1: in the same treatment, Sophie revealed that her naturopath no
• 5:07
  Speaker 1: longer practices anymore as her practice was sadly destroyed in
• 5:11
  Speaker 1: a cyclone. Now, as you can imagine, it didn't take
• 5:14
  Speaker 1: long for Sophie's inbox to be flooded with confused people.
• 5:18
  Speaker 1: She ended up sharing a screenshot of a message that
• 5:21
  Speaker 1: she received from a medical practitioner who wrote, I'm sorry,
• 5:24
  Speaker 1: but anatomically speaking, this is impossible. A C-section occurs in
• 5:28
  Speaker 1: your lower abdomen, not your vulva or where your labia joins.
• 5:32
  Speaker 1: And Sophie captioned the screenshot, stop, I can't with the internet.
• 5:36
  Speaker 1: Ha ha, how on earth do people think they know
• 5:38
  Speaker 1: their body better than you?
• 5:39
  Speaker 2: Ha ha ha ha.
• 5:41
  Speaker 1: At one point, I was told if I didn't post
• 5:43
  Speaker 1: my scar, I must have used a surrogate. I have
• 5:45
  Speaker 1: to admit, after I had my C-section... I was pleasantly
• 5:48
  Speaker 1: surprised at how low the scar actually is. I thought
• 5:51
  Speaker 1: it would be higher. But in saying that, it's definitely
• 5:54
  Speaker 1: not as low as your vulva. I'm wondering whether her
• 5:56
  Speaker 1: scar is a little bit lower because she had twins.
• 5:59
  Speaker 1: Could there be something in that? But it's not actually
• 6:02
  Speaker 1: surgically possible to do a C-section incision in the vulva.
• 6:06
  Speaker 1: It's anatomically impossible and would cause catastrophic damage. Yeah, I
• 6:10
  Speaker 1: just think maybe it was a little bit lower than
• 6:11
  Speaker 1: the general C-section and she's maybe just worded it wrong. Well,
• 6:14
  Speaker 1: your vulva doesn't actually provide access to it.
• 6:17
  Speaker 2: To the uterus, which is where you need.
• 6:18
  Speaker 5: To be going.
• 6:18
  Speaker 2: I'm not questioning whether it does.
• 6:20
  Speaker 1: I just think perhaps a C-section scar is a little
• 6:22
  Speaker 1: lower than the average person's.
• 6:24
  Speaker 2: Well, for those who.
• 6:25
  Speaker 1: Haven't had a C-section or haven't seen a C-section scar,
• 6:28
  Speaker 1: the incision is normally made five to eight centimeters above
• 6:31
  Speaker 1: the pubic bone across the abdomen. Now, in terms of
• 6:35
  Speaker 1: the position of Sophie's C-section scar, she ended up responding
• 6:39
  Speaker 1: to the backlash on her Instagram story. And it turns
• 6:42
  Speaker 1: out she had actually blocked 20 people who accused her
• 6:46
  Speaker 1: of lying about her C-section.
• 6:48
  Speaker 2: So she posted a photo.
• 6:49
  Speaker 1: In a bikini and she drew a red line on
• 6:52
  Speaker 1: where her scar actually is and wrote, the red line
• 6:55
  Speaker 1: is how low my scar is. Factually, not potentially or impossible,
• 6:59
  Speaker 1: it is. And she went to say that she is
• 7:01
  Speaker 1: sick of there being so much misinformation out there about
• 7:03
  Speaker 1: C-sections and wrote, just because that is your experience, every
• 7:06
  Speaker 1: birth is different. Maybe you had an emergency, you were overweight,
• 7:10
  Speaker 1: had a keloid, a shitty doctor, But when you say
• 7:12
  Speaker 1: things like it's impossible, it's false, I am proof of that. Now,
• 7:16
  Speaker 1: based on this photo Sophie shared, it's clear she needs
• 7:19
  Speaker 1: an anatomy lesson because it is not on her vulva.
• 7:21
  Speaker 1: It's literally where a C-section scar is. Yeah, well, that's
• 7:24
  Speaker 1: what I was thinking. I was thinking it's probably just
• 7:26
  Speaker 1: a bit lower than maybe she initially thought it was
• 7:28
  Speaker 1: going to be. Where I do draw a line, though,
• 7:30
  Speaker 1: is people accusing her of having a surrogate and saying
• 7:33
  Speaker 1: you actually didn't have a C-section. I think that that
• 7:35
  Speaker 1: is a bit unfair.
• 7:36
  Speaker 2: But can you see why people are confused?
• 7:38
  Speaker 1: Because if you go through a C-section... You definitely know
• 7:40
  Speaker 1: the incision isn't in your vulva. And she described it
• 7:45
  Speaker 1: in such detail. Like, it's just bizarre. I just think
• 7:48
  Speaker 1: as well, if you don't want people questioning you about it,
• 7:50
  Speaker 1: just don't go into that much detail about it and
• 7:52
  Speaker 1: don't open up about it. I mean, she could have
• 7:54
  Speaker 1: just said, oh, you know, my scar has faded a
• 7:55
  Speaker 1: lot because I went to a naturopath. She didn't have
• 7:57
  Speaker 1: to go into the fact of where it was.
• 7:59
  Speaker 2: How's your day going? Because mine's great.
• 8:03
  Speaker 5: So, yeah.
• 8:04
  Speaker 2: Anyway, I should probably go finish the dress now.
• 8:05
  Speaker 1: I have a light up in the wand. Rebecca Little
• 8:09
  Speaker 1: has slammed the behavior of a group of fellow influencers
• 8:12
  Speaker 1: at the Wicked premiere in Melbourne. While the micro-influencer didn't
• 8:16
  Speaker 1: name names, she described their actions as unsettling and desperate.
• 8:20
  Speaker 1: So if it's really becoming a bit of a trend
• 8:22
  Speaker 1: for influencers to break down the fourth wall at influencer events.
• 8:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is. And I'm all here for it.
• 8:27
  Speaker 1: I think Isabel Clark was one of the first influencers
• 8:30
  Speaker 1: I really saw do that this year. In a candid TikTok,
• 8:34
  Speaker 1: she spoke about how clicky and uncomfortable influencer events can
• 8:38
  Speaker 1: be And also spoke about the egos that can come
• 8:41
  Speaker 1: out at them. I can't believe that story was this year.
• 8:44
  Speaker 2: I remember covering it. It seems like a lifetime ago.
• 8:46
  Speaker 1: It was in conjunction with Michaela Tester calling out Anna
• 8:49
  Speaker 1: Paul at the time.
• 8:50
  Speaker 2: And there was a story.
• 8:51
  Speaker 1: About how Anna Paul allegedly said that Isabel Clarke had
• 8:54
  Speaker 1: close set eyes. And it seems like this was a
• 8:56
  Speaker 1: bit of a hang up for Anna because apparently she
• 8:58
  Speaker 1: said that so many different influences had close set eyes.
• 9:01
  Speaker 2: It was also so for Dover.
• 9:02
  Speaker 3: Oh, I am.
• 9:03
  Speaker 1: Actually really looking forward to the end of the year,
• 9:05
  Speaker 1: going back through the top 10 stories because so much
• 9:08
  Speaker 1: has happened this year. Now back to Rebecca Little, instead
• 9:11
  Speaker 1: of creating a TikTok tell all video, like we've seen
• 9:14
  Speaker 1: in the past, Rebecca opted to air her grievances with
• 9:18
  Speaker 1: her 49,000 followers by writing down and sharing her thoughts
• 9:22
  Speaker 1: in an Instagram story tile, which was very millennial of her.
• 9:25
  Speaker 2: Well, I think it's still.
• 9:27
  Speaker 1: A good way to get information out there because you
• 9:29
  Speaker 1: can really choose your words carefully.
• 9:32
  Speaker 2: And people can't cut it up.
• 9:34
  Speaker 5: True.
• 9:35
  Speaker 1: Well, in the lengthy post, Rebecca explained that she was
• 9:37
  Speaker 1: invited to attend the Wicked premiere in Melbourne with her daughter.
• 9:41
  Speaker 1: She said they were both genuinely excited to see the movie.
• 9:44
  Speaker 1: In fact, it made her remember why she fell in
• 9:46
  Speaker 1: love with the cinema in the first place. However, it
• 9:49
  Speaker 1: was a run-in with a group of fellow influencers, which
• 9:52
  Speaker 1: appeared to derail her otherwise pleasant evening. So she wrote,
• 9:56
  Speaker 1: I watched people literally step over others. The desperation to
• 10:00
  Speaker 1: be seen rather than to actually see was unsettling. And
• 10:04
  Speaker 1: then of course came the cherry on top, the snide
• 10:06
  Speaker 1: performative little comments. I could almost admire the commitment to
• 10:10
  Speaker 1: the bit if it weren't aimed at slash near my child.
• 10:13
  Speaker 1: That's when something in me shifted. Say or post whatever
• 10:17
  Speaker 1: you want about me. But when that energy starts circling
• 10:19
  Speaker 1: my daughter, absolutely not. That's where the line is drawn.
• 10:23
  Speaker 1: The irony is I still love movies, always will. The
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: magic on the screen, untouchable. But the circus around it,
• 10:30
  Speaker 1: I'm out. I think I'm officially done with premieres. The
• 10:33
  Speaker 1: spotlight used to reveal art. Now it just exposes egos.
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: I don't think that it's news to any of us
• 10:39
  Speaker 1: that there would be people with egos at these.
• 10:41
  Speaker 2: Type of events.
• 10:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's why they're there, really, to promote it,
• 10:45
  Speaker 1: to show that they're going to this event, to create
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: some publicity around it. Yeah, also... I'm not surprised that
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: influencers would be focused on creating content at that event.
• 10:54
  Speaker 2: Well, that's what they're there to do.
• 10:55
  Speaker 1: A lot of the influencers took their costumes to the
• 10:58
  Speaker 1: next level and there was a lot of excitement around
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: creating TikTok videos. And I mean, that's what the PR
• 11:03
  Speaker 1: people want you to do as well. That being said,
• 11:06
  Speaker 1: I love the tea, particularly the swipe that Rebecca made
• 11:09
  Speaker 1: about the performative little comments that were aimed at her child,
• 11:12
  Speaker 1: because that really piqued my interest because that really makes
• 11:15
  Speaker 1: the behaviors at play sound terrible.
• 11:17
  Speaker 2: How old is her child? Oh, I think she's about 11. Okay.
• 11:21
  Speaker 1: As soon as I saw Rebecca's post, I instantly started
• 11:24
  Speaker 1: racking my brain to remember which influencers attended the Melbourne
• 11:28
  Speaker 1: premiere because the only influencers who I could remember sharing
• 11:32
  Speaker 1: stories were Georgia Love and Matt Sikowsky. Now, Matt does
• 11:36
  Speaker 1: pride himself on being a bit of a movie buff, so-
• 11:39
  Speaker 1: It wasn't really surprising to see him at this event.
• 11:41
  Speaker 1: He seems to be branding himself as this movie reviewer.
• 11:44
  Speaker 1: Georgia Love also wasn't a surprise to see there. She
• 11:47
  Speaker 1: absolutely loves musical theatre and often travels overseas to see it.
• 11:51
  Speaker 2: So I was glad that she got an invite.
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And when I saw Rebecca's post pop up about
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: the bad behaviour of influencers at the event, I quickly
• 11:59
  Speaker 1: remembered this post that Matt shared where he did a
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: bit of a fit check.
• 12:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, not another one. Let's have a listen to what
• 12:05
  Speaker 2: he said. So I'm going to the Wicked premiere in
• 12:08
  Speaker 2: Melbourne and I've got my pink suit on.
• 12:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's pretty loud.
• 12:18
  Speaker 1: Now, I wanted to include Matt walking into the premiere
• 12:21
  Speaker 1: because I was like, is this the sort of behavior
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: that she's talking about, which is desperate, someone wanting to
• 12:25
  Speaker 1: be seen? I mean, that's just normal influencer behavior, isn't it?
• 12:28
  Speaker 1: That you do a fit check before an event. I
• 12:30
  Speaker 1: couldn't imagine Matt Sikowsky being rude to anyone.
• 12:32
  Speaker 5: No.
• 12:32
  Speaker 2: He kind of gives me Bambi.
• 12:33
  Speaker 1: Vibes at the moment.
• 12:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, it definitely wasn't him.
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: But this is how things can easily be misconstrued when
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: you don't actually identify who you're talking about.
• 12:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: And particularly because when you say an influencer, there were
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: only so many invited. So by not actually naming names,
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: she is basically defaming a whole bunch of them.
• 12:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 12:50
  Speaker 1: The thing is, her post felt a lot more loaded.
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: It felt as though she had some longstanding beef with
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: the individual or individuals involved. And that kind of highlights
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: who it potentially was about. So I decided to put
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: it out to our Facebook community. I put up a
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: post asking if anyone had an inkling about who Rebecca
• 13:07
  Speaker 1: was speaking about, and instantly listeners started writing in saying
• 13:11
  Speaker 1: they were convinced that she was talking about Olivia White,
• 13:15
  Speaker 1: otherwise known as House of White. Now, OG listeners will
• 13:18
  Speaker 1: remember the story we did back in 2020 about Olivia
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: White selling Alibaba glassware that she said was modeled off
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: her mother's body. This was actually one of my favorite
• 13:26
  Speaker 1: stories to date that we've covered.
• 13:28
  Speaker 2: I actually want to.
• 13:29
  Speaker 1: Put it out there as a bit of a Christmas special,
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: maybe cut.
• 13:31
  Speaker 2: Up some of our favorite stories of all time. That
• 13:32
  Speaker 2: would be quite hilarious.
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: Now, Olivia and Rebecca are both in the motherhood and
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: lifestyle space and have reportedly had a falling out. Now,
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: when I looked at Olivia's Instagram account, I was even
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: more convinced that Rebecca was directing this at her. Yeah,
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: because she attended the event alongside fellow influencer Nakia Joy. Now,
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: Nakia is a professional makeup artist who has over 233,000
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: followers on Instagram. 1.1 million on TikTok and over 900,000
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: on YouTube. Now, both Olivia and Nakia took their costumes
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: to the next level. Nakia ended up painting her whole
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: body green to come as Elphaba, whilst Olivia spent months
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: creating the ultimate Glinda gown. So she found a dress
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: in an op shop and she and her mom completely
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: customized it.
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: So they added a lot of beading. She dyed it brown.
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: She even used a 3D printer to make her own wand.
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: And Olivia White is known for sharing this type of content.
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: I remember a couple of years ago, she did this
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: really cool DIY Taylor Swift birthday party for her kids.
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: Like she takes things next level. Yeah, I find her
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: content now to be quite wholesome. I mean, there was
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: a bit of a hiccup there with the glasses, but
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: I quite enjoy her content now. And I think that
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: they seem to just really get into the spirit of
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: the event. They created a lot of TikTok videos of
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: themselves getting ready in a hotel room together, and it
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: was all just a bit of fun. Well, that's exactly
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: what the PR team that invited them want. They want
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: hype around this movie and excitement.
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and apparently their.
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: Costumes were so epic that on the way to the premiere,
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: they kept being stopped by kids for photos on the streets.
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: It seemed to be very sweet.
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: And people think that this is the reason why Rebecca
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: is taking a swipe at Olivia due to the fact
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: that they put so much effort into the costumes because
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: she spoke about this desperation to be seen rather than
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: to actually see the movie. It seems like Rebecca has
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: rocked up to this event and seen Olivia White's costume
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: and gone, fuck, she beat me.
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: Her costume is better.
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: The thing is I kind of think that they put
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: in a lot of effort because they are actually genuinely
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: fans of the movie, not because, they necessarily want to
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: be seen. I mean, yes, of course it is a
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: great opportunity to create content, but I don't think you
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: put in that much effort if you weren't a fan.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: I think the Ears Tour has actually triggered this new
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: phenomenon where the main character, of course, has always been
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: the person on the stage.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: That used to be Taylor Swift at the Ears Tour.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: However, now that we have TikTok, you become the main
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: character in an event like that. So you show yourself
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: getting ready to go to the event, you show yourself
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: getting dressed up, you show your reaction to when the
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: person goes on stage.
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: And it's all very inward now.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: I think it's also this phenomenon of girlhood where it's
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: this excuse for adults to revert back to childhood and
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: find wonder and enjoyment in wholesome things like this. You know,
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: it's an excuse to catch up with your friends and,
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: you know, plan your outfit and get creative.
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: I really enjoy it.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And it made me feel a little bit sad
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: for Olivia that this was seemingly targeted at her because
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: She obviously had a lot of fun going to this event,
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: put a lot of effort into it. Yeah, the thing
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: that also made me feel for Olivia was that it
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: was quite clear that she felt a bit anxious in
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: the lead up to the event because she ended up
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: sharing a post shouting out all of the incredible people
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: in her life who helped make the event so magical.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: So she thanked her mom for helping her make the
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: dress and her husband for helping her ideas come to life.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: She wrote, those are my close friends would know the
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: self-doubt and fear I had this week because sometimes when
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: you put yourself out there, especially as a neurodivergent woman,
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: you tell yourself it won't be perfect.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: What if people laugh at you or that people.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: Will not understand your excitement and passion and will label
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: you as too much attention seeking and over the top.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: But I'm glad I pushed through and I'm so incredibly
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: humbled by how kind everyone has been. And of course,
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: my ADHD brain is already deep on the next project.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: So did she share that after Rebecca Little came out
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: with her statement?
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: Because it seems like a dig back at her. Yes,
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: she did share it a little bit after.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: So you can imagine how those negative comments have clearly
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: affected her. And it was quite awkward because both women
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: gave two very different overviews of the event. So while
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: Rebecca said that the actions of some invited guests was unsettling,
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: Olivia gushed about what a safe space the event felt like,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: so she praised the host, Ruben Kay, writing, I need
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: to ask, does anyone know what Rebecca Little wore to
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: the event?
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: She wore.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: A black gown.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: So it definitely wasn't an out there costume. I mean,
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: it wasn't a costume at all. No, I mean, yeah,
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: she had sort of dramatic makeup on, which was sort
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: of in the vibe of Wicked, but obviously she didn't
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: go to the same level as a lot of the
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: other influencers there. I mean, it wasn't required for you
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: to wear a costume there. Yeah, but it's giving vibes
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: that she kind of regretted not going fully out there.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: So then wanted to kind of ridicule the ones that did. Yeah. Well,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: on Friday, Rebecca decided to share more details about the
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: alleged incident that took place at the event. So she
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: shared a photo of her and her daughter on the
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: red carpet and explained that it had taken her a
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: few days to process the incident and said she never
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: realised a movie premiere could teach her so much in
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: one night. It's all very dramatic, isn't it, what she's
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: been writing?
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: What happened?
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: Like, I don't get it.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: So she continued on with the Wicked theme, writing, Wicked
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: for good hit me harder than I expected. It reminded
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: me that being called Wicked was often means you're brave
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: enough to be yourself in a world that wants you smaller,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: that it's better to go your own way than stay
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: grounded just to get approval, and that being good doesn't
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: mean staying quiet. It means speaking your truth, even if
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: it makes people uncomfortable. She continued saying, now I see
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: it in my daughter. She's learning that kindness isn't weakness,
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: that strength and softness can live in the same heart,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: and that she doesn't have to accept cruelty, disrespect, or intimidation,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: or anyone trying to dim her light. Now, this is
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: where the post went up a notch. Rebecca then went
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: on to accuse an adult at the event of purposely
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: stepping on her daughter's belongings, which were tucked away in
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: a corner. She also said disgusting jokes were made from
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: the same individual about a staple gun being in their bag.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: And she said that her daughter needs to know she
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: can walk away from bullies, set boundaries and shine. What's
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: the staple gun? Do you mean that there was sort
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: of a violent threat or something? I'm confused.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: By that as well.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, does it imply that someone was using a
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: staple gun for an out there costume?
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: I'm confused by it.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: This is the issue when people go public and talk
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: in riddles because you can draw your own conclusions that
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: are very wrong. And particularly when you are accusing an
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: adult of like trotting on a child's belongings. I mean,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: surely this is not about Olivia White. I want to
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: believe that there's some wires that are crossed. I can't
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: see a mum doing this to another child. And from
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: watching Olivia's content, I also don't think that she has
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: it in her. She seems genuinely like a nice person
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: who just has been excited about this event. I mean, obviously,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: if these events that Rebecca Little has outlined are true,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: then it's not a very nice thing to do. But
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: I think it is worse to come out and make
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: these allegations with no proof and to essentially defame all
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: of the influencers were there at the event, particularly the
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: one that she has beef with.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's fair.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Well, it's quite telling because the post has subsequently been deleted.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: So, well, that says a lot, doesn't it?
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: I would just say, like, girl, I know you love
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: so hard and you have so much love to give,
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: but just.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Give that love to yourself first.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: In her most.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Candid interview to date, Tammy Hembrough has admitted she struggled
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: to cope following her public divorce from Matt Zukowski. The
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Gold Coast influencer broke down on her sister Emily Hembrough's podcast,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: saying she should have noticed the red flags that appeared
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: early on. Now, Kate, you called part one of Emily's
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: chat with Tammy and also their sister Amy a bit
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: of a snore fest. But this episode definitely delivered.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it definitely made up for part one.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: But from a production sense, I probably would have aired
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: it first just to get the hype around the launch
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: of her podcast. Now, this is the first time we've
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: really heard Tammy open up about her divorce on a podcast.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, in recent weeks, she has been doing a
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: bit of a publicity tour for her supplement brand, Selfish,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: where she's been popping up on a number of influencer-led podcasts.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: She was coming on Outspoken, but that got cancelled last minute.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Not that we're dirty on it or anything. No, that
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: being said, she didn't really give... much away during those interviews.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: She spoke very generally and with not much emotion. So
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: my guess is that she was waiting to give her
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: sister Emily the exclusive to help bolster her new podcast.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, it also makes sense because obviously if she's
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: talking to her sister, she's going to be in a.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Safe space to open up.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: If I was Emily, though, I would have got my
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: episode out first because now that Tammy's been on quite
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: a number of podcasts, I think the interest is dwindling.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: They kind of interrupted her a bit too. Like she
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: was about to divulge a bit more and then as
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: sisters do, they all spoke over each other and you're
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: kind of like, hold on, let her speak.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Because they know the.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Full story so they're not as interested to hear it.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Whereas if it was on a podcast like Outspoken, you know,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: we would have shut up and listened.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Now, Tammy lifted the lid on how she's really been
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: coping with the divorce behind the scenes. Let's take a
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: listen to some of what she said.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, dealing with like my divorce and everything so publicly
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: is really difficult because.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: It's just like there's so many different emotions. Like it's humiliating.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: It's heartbreaking. It's just I feel yeah, you guys saw,
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: have seen firsthand, like what I've sort of been going
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: through with it. Like I, I honestly haven't coped like
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: in the beginning, I like really was not coping well
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: with it. And, um, I feel like it's definitely changed
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: my perspective on a lot of things, especially like future relationships.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Um, I mean, while this is the first time we've
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: heard Tammy speak in depth about the breakup on a podcast,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: she has given us tidbits on her TikTok and on
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: her YouTube before trying to paint a picture of how
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: upset she is. Because I think in order to win
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: a breakup when you actually haven't said the reason behind it,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: if you are deemed as the one that's more upset,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: you win.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you're the victim in it.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: And I think because she appeared to move on very
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: quickly and go on that date with Bailey Smith, people
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: assumed that she wasn't upset about it. But She went
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: on to say that shortly after the divorce, she struggled
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: to even function. She said that she was very anxious
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: and she could barely walk from her car to the
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: front door without being in hysterics. She even went as
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: far as saying that she felt like she wasn't showing
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: up as a mom. So she said that there would
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: be times when she'd go and hide in her shower
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: and lie on the shower.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: Floor to cry.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Because she didn't want her kids coming in and seeing
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: how upset that she was. That would be so hard
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: going through a breakup having kids because, I mean, I
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: think back to the breakups that I went through in
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: my 20s. I mean, I couldn't function. You have to
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: go to work and put on a brave face. I
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: suppose that's what it would be like in front of kids.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: But you're having to do that at work and then
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: at home. You need some time to decompress. Well, she
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: said that her kids were actually a big part of
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: her healing. So she said that while she didn't feel
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: like she was showing up for them, they were showing
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: up for her and they were a good distraction. Now,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: during Tammy and Matt's relationship, there were persistent rumours that
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Matt was tuning girls behind her back. That seemed to
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: be the narrative. And this was really exacerbated by the
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: DM scandal at the Grand Prix and also his ex, Genevieve,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: claiming that there was a crossover between her and Tammy. Now,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: while they didn't confirm this during the interview, the sisters
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: seemed to hint that there was bad behaviour from Matt.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Well, you obviously wanted it to work.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: Like even when there was situation after situation after situation
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: and I'm not sure about you, Amy, but I was
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: like enough is enough. Like you are just trying so
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: hard to make it work that you are just letting everything,
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: you know, all these situations where it's not okay.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: And looking back now, I'm like it's crazy to me.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: But like I was so just swept up in it
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: that I was willing to overlook so many things and
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: I was so like.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: They're obviously putting a lot of blame on Matt. And
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: it's no surprise because Emily and Amy are not his
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: biggest fans. Like we have spoken in length about the
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: podcast episode that they appeared on, on Where's Your Head At,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: when they essentially gave it to Matt on his own podcast.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, I just want to know what were the scenarios? Like,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: tell us, we want to know. And I think that
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: the reason they are putting this out there is because
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Matt has been trying to sell a different story on
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: his podcast. And if anything, he has been receiving a
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: lot of sympathy and he's sort of been playing off
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: that it was Tammy's fault for the divorce. I mean,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: even on his podcast last week, he was talking about
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: how much it's been affecting him seeing TikToks of Lapland,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: which is where he and Tammy went for their honeymoon
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: and about how he's going to be alone this Christmas.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: And Again, you would get the vibe that she was
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: the one who was responsible for the split and who
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: cut things off.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Matt's story isn't that consistent because he makes it sound
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: like he was the one that was dumped, but then
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: he's spoken about the fact that he was the one that.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Decided to leave the marriage.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: I think they've got to stop talking in these constant
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: riddles because it is getting very confusing. I mean, Tammy
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: spoke about having rose colored glasses on at the start
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: of their relationship, which was quite interesting. And she warned
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: her listeners that early red flags are going to be
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: 10 times worse later on.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: So that is quite telling.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Can you believe that this Sunday would have been their
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: first wedding anniversary?
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: That blows my mind.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: I remember when the pap photos of the pink dress
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: came out. The drone images. It does not seem that
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: long ago at all. Yeah, it's pretty wild. I mean,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: it's going to be an emotional time for both of them.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: I'm predicting that they'll both put something up. Well, I mean,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: surely that's a weekend where you want to keep busy,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: maybe go on a trip, take your mind off things.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Tammy did touch on the wedding, describing it as an
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: expensive learning experience. Are we assuming she paid for it all? Oh,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: you get that vibe. It's clear that she has done
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: quite a lot of self-reflection. And also a lot of
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: therapy since the divorce because she admitted that she had
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: been naive entering into the relationship. Her sisters were probably like, yes, yes,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: you were. Let's take a listen to what she said.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: I feel like I genuinely like have learnt though now
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: that I can't be so, you know, like naive when
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: it comes to just like feelings.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Fall in love.
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: And that's something that you had to learn on your
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: own as much as we could try and give you advice.
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: And it hurts me so much to see. It's just
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: a shame that I had to go.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Through like a whole wedding to learn that lesson.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: And publicly. Like at the time, obviously, I didn't think
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: I was going to be getting a divorce.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: Obviously. You thought it was forever. So you're grieving now.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: uh future that you saw as well.
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah like but hindsight's 2020 like it's so crazy to
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: me now like looking back I see so many things
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: that I didn't like notice at the time that people
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: around me were telling me and I just.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Feel like why they say like love is blind blinding.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: I I was definitely blind at the time I think
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: I just like I think I just wanted like you
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: know the fairy tales.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: But This would be very validating for Amy and Emily
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: because they were probably the loudest voices in Tammy's life
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: telling her that, you know, there are a lot of
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: red flags.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Don't marry this guy.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: I would say that one of the early red flags
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: that we know about is when Matt attended Tammy's New
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Year's Eve party. So it was hosted at her place.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: And according to Emily and Amy, he kept referring to
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: it as our house. So they mentioned that on his
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: podcast during.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: That infamous interview.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: And he's like, I don't recall that. And they're like,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: you definitely did. Isn't that just such an ick when
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: someone puts claim to something that is not theirs, that
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: is the result of someone else's hard work? Yeah. I mean,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: it did give a bit of clout chasing vibes there
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: and it did lead obviously her family to question whether
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: he was interested in her money.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, they did end up signing a prenup.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: So It'd be interesting to actually see what happens with
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: the divorce, whether he will get any money.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Well, that is where we're going to leave things today.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: But if you want to hear more from us, we
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: drop a subscriber-only episode every Thursday. All the details to
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: subscriber in our show notes. This podcast was recorded on
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: the traditional land of the Kaurna people of the Adelaide Plains.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: We pay respect to elders past and present.