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Will Ohio State Add A Quarterback In The Transfer Portal? · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to buck Eyes tomorrow morning for Sunday, December fifteenth.
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  Speaker 1: I'm your host, Tom Moore. The Tennessee game is in
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  Speaker 1: six days, the game against Michigan in three hundred and
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  Speaker 1: forty nine days. We're going to be talking about that
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  Speaker 1: Tennessee game a bunch this week. Tony Gerdaman and I
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  Speaker 1: already did a couple listener question shows will be dropping
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  Speaker 1: over the next day or two. We already did a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of rewatch shows, rewatching Tennessee's games over the course
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  Speaker 1: of the season, so plenty of Tennessee talk already. Now
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about something completely different. And now
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  Speaker 1: for something completely different, as they say, we're talking a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of transfer portal and we're not talking about
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  Speaker 1: specific players. We've done a couple of shows on that
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  Speaker 1: as well. This one's a little bit more of a
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  Speaker 1: theoretical exercise about maybe the most important position on the field,
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  Speaker 1: the quarterback position. And Ohio State's in a really interesting spot.
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  Speaker 1: They had five scholarship quarterbacks on the team this year.
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  Speaker 1: We know Will Howard's gone, we know Devin Brown has
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  Speaker 1: already said he's given me in the portal. So now
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  Speaker 1: you're down to three. You know you've got tav and
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  Speaker 1: Saint Clair coming in. Are more guys get be headed
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  Speaker 1: to the portal? We don't know so, but we know
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  Speaker 1: Ryan Day does like it have four guys on scholarship
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  Speaker 1: at the quarterback position. So it's going to be interesting
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  Speaker 1: to figure out how Ohio State approaches the quarterback position
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  Speaker 1: this portal season. We're talking about that today with Tony
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  Speaker 1: Gerdermann at bucke Huddle dot Com. Tony, we know that
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  Speaker 1: Ryan Day wants four guys, as I just said, on scholarship,
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  Speaker 1: and we know they currently have four guys. So really
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  Speaker 1: a lot of this conversation to me starts with, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: we know they're losing Howard, we know they're losing Brown.
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  Speaker 1: What are the odds that someone else from that room
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  Speaker 1: leaves between now and the start of the twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: five college football season.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it comes down to the fact that you've got
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  Speaker 2: Julian saying, Aaron Nolan and Lincoln Keyenholts, who are all
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  Speaker 2: roughly the same age. Lincoln Keenolts a year older than
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  Speaker 2: those two guys. And we don't like pushing players into
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  Speaker 2: the portal or talking about prospective portal guys. But This
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  Speaker 2: is the age we live in now, especially at quarterback,
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  Speaker 2: where coaches recruit a guy a year knowing that, gosh,
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  Speaker 2: should be nice if we stuck around a fifth two
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  Speaker 2: of them. Those four guys over a four year period
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  Speaker 2: stuck around for at least seventy five percent of their time.
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  Speaker 2: The math gets wonky, Tom, But you can't expect everybody
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  Speaker 2: to stick around for more than a couple of years.
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  Speaker 2: And really, when I say everybody, I mean anybody, like
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  Speaker 2: any quarterback that you sign, if you can get two
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  Speaker 2: years out of them, then guess what's the average anymore.
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  Speaker 2: That's probably another study that needs to happen, because it's
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  Speaker 2: not a it's worse than the NFL running back, which
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  Speaker 2: is like, you know, three and a half years or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Certainly not that good. But when you look at the
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  Speaker 2: fact that you have the one of the young guys
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  Speaker 2: Julian saying, is probably projected to start this year, this
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  Speaker 2: next year. That's mainly the reason, one of the reasons
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  Speaker 2: Devin Brown has left. And so when he is a
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  Speaker 2: Recher freshman is projected to start and there's a Recher
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  Speaker 2: sophomore behind him. When we talk about the blueprint for transfers,
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  Speaker 2: it's usually the older guys who get passed by the
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  Speaker 2: younger guys, and there's one of those, and then also
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  Speaker 2: a younger guy who is being blocked by the guy
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  Speaker 2: at the same age. So like, these are all formulas
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  Speaker 2: that would fit in terms of transferring. Now I'm not
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  Speaker 2: pushing anybody out. I'm just telling you this is what
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  Speaker 2: those numbers look like.
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  Speaker 1: And I've gone back and looked at some of the
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  Speaker 1: previous quarterback classes and sort of top ten quarterbacks and
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  Speaker 1: top two hundred in the class kind of quarterbacks, and
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  Speaker 1: generally about half of them end up transferring before their
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  Speaker 1: college careers are over. That's just sort of the norm
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  Speaker 1: in college football. And that was even before you could
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  Speaker 1: do you know, auto everyone just had an automatic free
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  Speaker 1: transfer and everyone you know, multiple transfers and all that
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  Speaker 1: kind of stuff. That that is, you know, only those
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  Speaker 1: numbers are only going to continue to go up because
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  Speaker 1: it's a spot where these guys are all elite, elite players,
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  Speaker 1: and they're not used to having to sit, and they're
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  Speaker 1: not used to having to wait, having to wait, and
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  Speaker 1: so it is a difficult you know, and it's also
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  Speaker 1: a position where you see a lot of development and
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  Speaker 1: some guys developed a little more than other guys, So
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  Speaker 1: you know, there are a lot of different factors that
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  Speaker 1: go into that high transfer rate for the quarterback position.
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  Speaker 1: This is eight and Ohio State quarterback room where the
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  Speaker 1: four guys who as of right now are continued, you know,
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  Speaker 1: are on track to return for next year, three five
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  Speaker 1: star guys and a four star guy in Lincoln Keenhols,
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  Speaker 1: who is a top one fifty player in the class
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  Speaker 1: who they were very very high on when they got
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  Speaker 1: him and they thought he really had a ton of potential.
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  Speaker 1: So this is a very very talented room where you know,
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  Speaker 1: if you know, if you know, only one of these
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  Speaker 1: guys can start at Ohio State, but probably all of
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  Speaker 1: them could start somewhere, and it's just a matter of
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  Speaker 1: who wants to, you know, who wants to you know,
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  Speaker 1: sort of stay and fight it out, and who wants
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  Speaker 1: to potentially go try and get a job somewhere else.
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  Speaker 1: The really interesting question here is, you know, I think
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  Speaker 1: obviously if they lose someone, you're going to try and
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  Speaker 1: replace them. You want to get to four that that
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  Speaker 1: feels like that's a pretty straightforward question. You know, when
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  Speaker 1: do when do those transfers happen. Are they after spring?
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  Speaker 1: If someone decides to leave, is it after this season?
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  Speaker 1: This year? We'll sort of see how that goes. That
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  Speaker 1: to me is pretty straightforward. If someone leaves, you're going
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  Speaker 1: to want to fill that spot. What's a more interesting
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  Speaker 1: question is I saw quin yours discussed as you know,
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  Speaker 1: a Big ten team has offered him four million dollars
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  Speaker 1: and you know he's probably going to go to the
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  Speaker 1: NFL Draft, but he has this option from a Big
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  Speaker 1: ten team. Now, I have no reason to believe that
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  Speaker 1: the Big Ten team is Ohio State. There's been lots
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  Speaker 1: of scuttle butt that that Big Ten team is Michigan State.
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  Speaker 1: But this is more of a thought exercise. You have
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  Speaker 1: someone like Quinn you Rs who's out there, who is
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  Speaker 1: you know, was ranked as the number one player in
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  Speaker 1: the class and the best prospect ever and all that
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  Speaker 1: kind of stuff has been a multi year starter for Texas,
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  Speaker 1: has gotten them to the College Football Playoff a couple
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  Speaker 1: of years in a row. And they of course have
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  Speaker 1: an immensely talented backup quarterback by the name of Arch
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  Speaker 1: Manning who checks all the boxes in terms of name,
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  Speaker 1: in terms of literally is the backup quarterback who is
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  Speaker 1: the most popular player on campus on every school basically,
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  Speaker 1: so you know he you have an opportunity for Quin
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  Speaker 1: youewers if he decides not to go pro to enter
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  Speaker 1: the portal and go to another school and present a experienced,
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  Speaker 1: veteran talented quarterback to whatever school he goes to. So
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  Speaker 1: I think the interesting thought exercise here, and this is
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  Speaker 1: just a thought exercise. This is not us saying, guess
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  Speaker 1: who's coming to Ohio State. The interesting thought exercise here
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  Speaker 1: is if you have talented young quarterbacks like a Julian saying,
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  Speaker 1: like a you know all the names we just said,
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  Speaker 1: Lincoln King, hols Er Noland, Javan, Saint Clair, do you
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  Speaker 1: risk chasing some or potentially all of those guys off
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  Speaker 1: to bring in a veteran guy like a Quinn yours,
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  Speaker 1: who you sort of know what you're getting and you're
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  Speaker 1: coming in with experience and you're not going to necessarily
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  Speaker 1: have the learning curve you will with a younger guy.
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  Speaker 1: Is that worth a conversation or is that just a
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  Speaker 1: complete non starter because you've got all this other talent
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  Speaker 1: in the room and you might lose all of them
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  Speaker 1: if you bring in someone new.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and the conversation alone might be enough to anger
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  Speaker 2: somebody to the point where they head to the portal,
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  Speaker 2: and I can hear fans saying, you know who cares.
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  Speaker 2: If they're upset, then go we don't want you here.
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  Speaker 2: You know you want you want guys that want to
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  Speaker 2: be here, and you want the best that you can have.
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  Speaker 2: That's fine. But when you're talking about a one year
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  Speaker 2: rental and missing out on two years of somebody that
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  Speaker 2: you feel is going to be very, very good, and
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  Speaker 2: say Julian Sander and Aaron Nolan, then these are the
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  Speaker 2: equations that you have to go over and decide. I
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  Speaker 2: think another aspect to this is clearly, if Kyle mccordy
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  Speaker 2: returns last year, do they go get Will Howard? Do
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  Speaker 2: they do they continue to look into the portal, and
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  Speaker 2: that tells you how they felt about Devin Brown. If
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  Speaker 2: they don't, if they're not looking into the portal now
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  Speaker 2: and we've heard no names and there are plenty of
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  Speaker 2: quarterbacks out there, they're if you were going to look
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  Speaker 2: for a quarterback, you'd look for one now while there's
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  Speaker 2: a thousand of them in there. They know Devin Brown's gone,
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  Speaker 2: but they also know who at least some of the
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  Speaker 2: people are who are returning, and they feel pretty good
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  Speaker 2: about that. That's that's the message that I am getting.
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  Speaker 2: And so should they go get somebody? If they did,
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  Speaker 2: it sounds like they probably there's a chance that they
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  Speaker 2: could lose the guy that they feel is good enough
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  Speaker 2: to lead them next year. Who is the guy out
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  Speaker 2: there that is worth doing that for? I don't think
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  Speaker 2: you could say that about Quinn yours, but there are
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  Speaker 2: plenty of people who tell you he's not the best
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  Speaker 2: quarterback on his team and as and make some plays,
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  Speaker 2: but will also give some plays up. There's no there's
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  Speaker 2: no Dylan Gabriel out there. I don't believe. So, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the even like some of the highest ranked guys like
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  Speaker 2: Luke Chromanoak from Florida State, what has he done? He's
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  Speaker 2: he's the same age as Julian Sanin and Aaron Nolan,
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  Speaker 2: So like you know, Malik Murphy a name like that.
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  Speaker 2: Like I just at this point, I feel like they
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  Speaker 2: they are where they are, They want to stick where
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  Speaker 2: they are. But does something happen in the spring, because
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  Speaker 2: they're going to know a whole lot more in the
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  Speaker 2: spring than they do right now. In terms of oh boy,
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  Speaker 2: maybe we were wrong about what we thought, and the
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  Speaker 2: spring will provide another opportunity to go grab somebody if
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  Speaker 2: you need to. But yeah, I think they like what
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  Speaker 2: they have, And if you like what you have, is
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  Speaker 2: there somebody out there that you'd love and will you
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  Speaker 2: be able to love them long enough to get over
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  Speaker 2: the guy that you'd like and are falling in love with?
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  Speaker 2: Or is this just a one year stand?
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  Speaker 1: This is more of a Valentine's Day conversation than a
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  Speaker 1: Christmas conversation. But the you know, the portal's not open then, Tony,
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  Speaker 1: So that doesn't that doesn't really fit. The last, the
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  Speaker 1: last possible spin on this is, Okay, we have seen
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  Speaker 1: Ohio State go and bring in the guy who's not
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  Speaker 1: expecting to be a starter. You know, when they brought
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  Speaker 1: in Will Howard, it was pretty clear, guess what Will
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  Speaker 1: Howard's going to be starting quarterback for Ohio State. We
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  Speaker 1: have Justin Field. The same thing. When Justin Fields came in,
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  Speaker 1: the quarterback competition was open. All okay, yeah, okay this.
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  Speaker 1: We've also seen them bring in Chris Chugganoff from West Virginia.
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  Speaker 1: You've seen them bringing Gunner Hoak from Kentucky you've seen
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  Speaker 1: them bring interest in Jebia from Oregon State. Guys who
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  Speaker 1: had played a little bit at their previous spots started
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  Speaker 1: in some cases in their previous spots. But we're coming
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  Speaker 1: to Ohio State pretty clearly with the goal of be
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  Speaker 1: a backup, be a veteran guy in that room. If
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  Speaker 1: you know, if you're losing Devin Bryn, you're losing, You're
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  Speaker 1: losing Will Howard. So the only person who would have
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  Speaker 1: more than one year in the room is Lincoln Keenhols,
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  Speaker 1: and he arrived in the summer, so he really would
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  Speaker 1: have had about eighteen months in the room by the
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  Speaker 1: time this season is all said and done. So, you know,
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  Speaker 1: is their value in potentially finding someone who is not
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  Speaker 1: expecting to come in and compete for the starting job,
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  Speaker 1: but who might be able to provide another another body
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  Speaker 1: for practice a little more you know, a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more of an experienced uh you know, experienced eye, someone
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  Speaker 1: who's watched watched a little more film over the years.
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  Speaker 1: Is that something that you could see them potentially looking.
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  Speaker 2: At and again, if they were, you know, you'd think
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  Speaker 2: they would have done it by now or we would
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  Speaker 2: have heard something. But I don't think that's outrageous to
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  Speaker 2: want a veteran quarterback that has at least seen some things.
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  Speaker 2: And when you look at the guys that are out there,
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  Speaker 2: if I tell you daykon Finn's back into portal, like,
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  Speaker 2: are people going to be like, oh, that's you know,
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  Speaker 2: that's interesting. That's a former starting quarterback but didn't do much,
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  Speaker 2: you know, But that's not somebody who's going to come
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  Speaker 2: to Ohio State to be a backup. Like the names
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  Speaker 2: that you're talking about. I don't even know Braden Locke
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  Speaker 2: from Wisconsin. You know that has started and done okay
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  Speaker 2: but not great. Here's the name for you, Tom Caid McNamara.
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  Speaker 2: But again, this is a guy that wants to start,
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  Speaker 2: and good luck finding somebody that. You know what, I
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  Speaker 2: just want to get into coaching or I want to
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  Speaker 2: I want to do this or do that. I'm a legacy.
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  Speaker 2: That's the kind of thing. I'm an Ohio kid. I
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  Speaker 2: want to come back home. That's the kind of perfect
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  Speaker 2: storm you're looking for. And I don't know that there
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  Speaker 2: are any out there. But you also have to be
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  Speaker 2: completely upfront with the players that are already on the roster, like, look,
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  Speaker 2: this is just a veteran thing. We're bringing in the
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  Speaker 2: veteran But yeah, but then the backups are going to
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  Speaker 2: be like so basically, you're giving them my job, that's
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  Speaker 2: what that is what you don't trust me, So you're
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  Speaker 2: bringing in somebody to keep me further from the field,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I'll Sionara.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, So there's a lot of a lot of
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  Speaker 1: interesting interpersonal dynamics there. The only thing certain out of
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  Speaker 1: everything Tony has Tony said there is Kate McNamara has
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  Speaker 1: the opportunity to do the funniest possible thing. So listen,
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  Speaker 1: will he do it? I don't know, we'll see it.
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