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FOP Pres Ken Kober - Low bond for nightclub shooters · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: O six fifty five kars DE talk Station Bright Thomas
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  Speaker 1: I love having on the fifty five KRC Morning Show.
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  Speaker 1: Timing is everything. That's why we have Ken Cober, the
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  Speaker 1: FOP president representing the SININNT Police Department Union, back on
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  Speaker 1: the program because apparently we have something called the revolving
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  Speaker 1: door of justice in Hamilton County. Ken Kober, welcome back.
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  Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of that?
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  Speaker 2: Than good morning Brian, yet thanks for really No, I've
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  Speaker 2: heard of that. I've witnessed it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you have. And sort of joking as
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  Speaker 1: a start, but let's review what we're talking about here.
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  Speaker 1: We got the shooting issue that happened at Riverfront Live,
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  Speaker 1: which is a music venue. Frannique Cobb, who's twenty four,
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  Speaker 1: and Derek Long twenty nine, apparently had a beef with
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  Speaker 1: each other and thought it was appropriate in a crowded
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  Speaker 1: room filled with between five hundred and nine hundred people.
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  Speaker 1: The numbers vary from wherever you read about it. They
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  Speaker 1: just decided to open fire. Nine people got shot. This
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  Speaker 1: made national headlines, and of course there's charges in Hamilton County.
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  Speaker 1: But apparently these people don't represent much of a threat
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  Speaker 1: to society because when they were in front of a judge,
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  Speaker 1: at least the one that was in front of a
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  Speaker 1: jubb Fernique Cobb, who is known to law enforcement and
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  Speaker 1: carrying a firearm and shooting with it, he was under
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  Speaker 1: a disability, which means he's had prior involvement in the
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  Speaker 1: justice system with a crime that probably was a felony.
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  Speaker 1: He wasn't allowed lawfully to even carry a firearm. He
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  Speaker 1: ignored that he broke the law. So but being in
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  Speaker 1: front of a judge in Hamilton County, the judge issued
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  Speaker 1: a fifty thousand dollars bond. Fifty thousand dollars bond. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the prosecutors asked for high bond. They could have requested
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  Speaker 1: no bond, in other words, I'm sorry, he represents a
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  Speaker 1: danger to society. You can't let him out. But for
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  Speaker 1: whatever reason, they asked for high bond, and the judge said, nah,
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  Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars. Even Mayor aftab Paraval has now come
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  Speaker 1: out saying he's appalled at that ken he found criminal
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  Speaker 1: justice aftab Pervall. I thought he was all woke, revolving
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  Speaker 1: door justice in Hamilton County. Let's what's your take on
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  Speaker 1: all this?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I could say, first of all, these two guys,
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  Speaker 2: neither one of them have any part of being in society.
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  Speaker 2: To do something like this is just absolutely unthinkable. Like
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  Speaker 2: Freney Cobb, he just got out of prison in December
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  Speaker 2: on a gun charge. Here we are two months later.
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  Speaker 2: We need more laws, Yeah, exactly what. We need more
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  Speaker 2: laws or we need laws to be enforced. And think
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  Speaker 2: thankfully we had the ATF and you know the Southern
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  Speaker 2: Ohio District Attorney Dominic Jerrasi that stepped in and said,
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  Speaker 2: we know what's going to happen here in Hamilton County.
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  Speaker 2: So before they were able to make a bond, they
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  Speaker 2: signed federal charges on him. Those federal charges are going
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  Speaker 2: to stick, and both of these guys are going to
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  Speaker 2: end up in the federal prison system for a very
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  Speaker 2: long time, where we know that they would get you know,
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  Speaker 2: probation in a book report if they were here in
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  Speaker 2: local charges.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what I wanted to ask you about
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  Speaker 1: because they have been charged with illegally possessing a firearm
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  Speaker 1: or ammunition as a convicted felon, which is like possessing
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  Speaker 1: weapons with the disability that in and of itself is
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  Speaker 1: a crime. And from what I understand, each charge allows
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  Speaker 1: them to face up to fifteen years in prison. So
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  Speaker 1: this is big boy time here. But let me ask
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  Speaker 1: you this, how unusual it is in a case, if
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  Speaker 1: there was a comparable case. How unusual it is it
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  Speaker 1: for the federal for federal involvement, for the Southern District
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  Speaker 1: of Ohio Attorney US attorney to get involved and have
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  Speaker 1: federal charges filed against someone.
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  Speaker 2: It's not terribly unusual. It doesn't happen a ton, But
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  Speaker 2: I can tell you right now it's going to happen
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  Speaker 2: more and more and more. You know, Dominic, when he
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  Speaker 2: got a pointed to this position, he made it very
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  Speaker 2: clear that if the local courts and a local prosecutor's office,
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  Speaker 2: local judges don't want to do their job to protect
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  Speaker 2: Hamilton County, then he and his team will step in
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  Speaker 2: and they will do it. And he's showing exactly that,
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  Speaker 2: And I'd venture to guess that you're going to see
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  Speaker 2: a lot more of this in the future, especially with
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  Speaker 2: those that have long criminal histories involving violence and guns.
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  Speaker 2: The easiest way is to just take them federal and
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  Speaker 2: be done with it, because we know that the federal
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  Speaker 2: court doesn't mess around, nor do the prosecutors the judges,
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  Speaker 2: and unfortunately we just don't have that in Hamilton County.
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  Speaker 2: So thankfully we have some Feds that are willing to
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  Speaker 2: step up and do it well.
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  Speaker 1: Signal ninety nine, who I know you're familiar with, has
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  Speaker 1: the inside scoop and skinny on a lot. She wrote
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  Speaker 1: at length about the reality of these two men, their
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  Speaker 1: involvement with the court system, and she went through their
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  Speaker 1: records in glorious detail. These are not great guys at all.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, both of them were prohibited from carrying and
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  Speaker 1: owning a firearm and have tab purval had. Today it
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  Speaker 1: was made aware that bond has been issued for one
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  Speaker 1: of the two suspects arrested in connection to Sunday morning's
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  Speaker 1: mass casualty shooting. Here's the sailing part. The decision to
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  Speaker 1: allow for the release of the accused is problematic and
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  Speaker 1: extremely concerning, and I stand in opposition. This is a
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  Speaker 1: community safety issue. The accused after such a horrific event
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  Speaker 1: involving so many victims, should not be on the streets
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  Speaker 1: during the court process. Fine, that sounds like something you
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  Speaker 1: or I might say. But according to Signal ninety nine,
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  Speaker 1: before he became mayor, while serving as the Hamilton County
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  Speaker 1: Clerk of Courts, he had a meeting with Democratic judges
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  Speaker 1: and had something to say to them, embrace the low
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  Speaker 1: bail slash no bail and soft sentencing philosophy, or face
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  Speaker 1: being primaried. Signal ninety nine said, at the time, one
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  Speaker 1: judge stood up and said, hey, then primary me, because
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  Speaker 1: no one's going to tell me how to run my courtrooms.
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  Speaker 1: This is something that the mayor actually wanted, this soft
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  Speaker 1: on crime, low bond, no bond nonsense.
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  Speaker 2: Ken, Well, we've seen it time after time. I've asked
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  Speaker 2: the Mayor myself, you know, every time something like this happens,
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  Speaker 2: when are you going to come out and speak about
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  Speaker 2: these judges that are endangering Hamilton County? Until yesterday, he's
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  Speaker 2: just refused to do it. So I don't know. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: maybe there's a change of heart. I doubt it, but
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  Speaker 2: we'll see. It. Certainly was a step in the right
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  Speaker 2: direction to see the mayor of the city actually come
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  Speaker 2: out and say something. Whether it was it was you know,
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  Speaker 2: completely from the hard or not it was it was
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  Speaker 2: nice to actually see a city leader come out and
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  Speaker 2: recognize that the court system is the problem. Situation.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it clearly is, and the question is whether the
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  Speaker 1: judges will heed his seemingly changed attitude. I guess he's
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  Speaker 1: gonna have to get Iris Rowley's consent to actually move
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  Speaker 1: forward with a new way.
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  Speaker 2: Ken, Yeah, I don't know. Maybe maybe he got it already.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know's I'm sure that was a closed door meeting,
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  Speaker 2: probably done in an.
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  Speaker 1: Executive session perhaps so well. Glad to see the FEDS
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  Speaker 1: are involved, and I guess that's maybe a warning shot
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  Speaker 1: over the battle the Hamlet County Prosecutor's office. But we'll
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  Speaker 1: wait to see on that. Ken Coober, do you have
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  Speaker 1: any new information about Police Chief Thiji? This this is
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  Speaker 1: truly bizarre, the whole idea behind Police Chief Thiji being
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  Speaker 1: placed on administrative leave. And you know, my listeners can
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  Speaker 1: say what they want about Thiji, but at the time
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  Speaker 1: they placed her on administrative leave, they didn't articulate a
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  Speaker 1: single syllable of reason why she needed to be placed
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  Speaker 1: on administrative leave. They didn't point specific, you know, a
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  Speaker 1: misconduct or dereliction of duty whatever, And we know there's
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  Speaker 1: probably gonna be a lawsuit on that one, so they
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  Speaker 1: hired a law firm to investigate it, I guess retroactively,
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  Speaker 1: so we penal and then we hire a law firm
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  Speaker 1: to find something to hang our hat on to justify that.
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  Speaker 1: And that's that's how I understand the scenario right now.
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  Speaker 1: And they extended that law firm's investigation now twice because
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  Speaker 1: I guess they couldn't find anything. Do you know anything
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  Speaker 1: else that's going on behind the scenes on that or
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  Speaker 1: do I have it? Is my understanding of the facts
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  Speaker 1: on that, correct sir, No, you're right, and.
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  Speaker 2: They keep on extending it because there's nothing there. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you look at this woman's impeccable service record, and there's
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  Speaker 2: nothing there. You know. The one thing that just stands
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  Speaker 2: out is the last press conference she did before she
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  Speaker 2: was put on administrative leave, and like the last couple
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  Speaker 2: sentences where she talked about how cops are going to
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  Speaker 2: go out, They're going to go and enforce low level
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  Speaker 2: nuisance crimes, quality of life crimes, because we've got to
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  Speaker 2: protect this community, and all of a sudden was the
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  Speaker 2: two days later, she's being told to come home from
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  Speaker 2: out west because she's going to be put on administrative leave.
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  Speaker 2: And like I said, this whole last but four or
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  Speaker 2: five months. You know, they've been investigating and we're going
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  Speaker 2: to extend this further. We're gonna it could because there's
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  Speaker 2: absolutely nothing there. And I think city council and the
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  Speaker 2: mayor and city manager all scratching their head, going, well,
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  Speaker 2: we hired these people, there's nothing here. If we fire
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  Speaker 2: or she's gonna sue us and we're gonna risk millions
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  Speaker 2: and millions again. So what do we do? What do
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  Speaker 2: we do? Well, you know, we're just gonna punt. We'll
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  Speaker 2: just keep on kicking this can down the road. You know,
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  Speaker 2: the longer it goes on, maybe the public will forget
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  Speaker 2: about it. I tell you, the public's not going to
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  Speaker 2: forget about it, nor is the Fraternal Order of Police
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  Speaker 2: Ken Coober.
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  Speaker 1: We made national headlines with this incident. I guess Mayor
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  Speaker 1: Feldy had to stand up and say something, recognized that
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  Speaker 1: the whole country's focus might be on him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's that's the reality of this is it's
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  Speaker 2: just nonsense. And it's not going to go It's not
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  Speaker 2: gonna bode well for the city. However, this comes to
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  Speaker 2: a conclusion.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and you know, it's interesting the mayor now has
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  Speaker 1: apparently come around to Police Chiefdiji's this pronouncement on bond hearing,
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  Speaker 1: apparently before she was placed on administrative leave at least
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  Speaker 1: camera nighter with The Enquirer's reporting that she had called
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  Speaker 1: a sense she did call the justice systems of revolving
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  Speaker 1: door before being placed on administrative leave. Obviously has a
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  Speaker 1: problem with the administration of justice, the low bonds and
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  Speaker 1: maybe the actions of prosecutors, you know, offering plea deals
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  Speaker 1: for pretty horrific crimes in order to not have to
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  Speaker 1: try cases. That's a problem too, isn't it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been a problem for years, you know, and
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  Speaker 2: it just keeps on building up and building up, and
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  Speaker 2: then now, you know, you have a mass shooting and
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  Speaker 2: now all of a sudden, everybody wants to act like
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  Speaker 2: they're appalled, like, oh my gosh, how do we get here.
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  Speaker 2: We know exactly how we got here. This county got
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  Speaker 2: here by electing these judges that are sold on bail,
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  Speaker 2: soft on crime, and we continue to see it to happen.
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  Speaker 2: Watch this next election cycle that you're likely going to
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  Speaker 2: see more of the same until these voters decide that
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  Speaker 2: they're sick of it and they're going to actually start
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  Speaker 2: voting and being you know, knowledgeable about who these candidates
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  Speaker 2: are and knowing the ones that stand for law and
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  Speaker 2: order and the ones that don't. Until that happens, we're
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  Speaker 2: gonna we're going to continue to talk about this. You
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  Speaker 2: could put hit me on your show every week, and
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  Speaker 2: we're going to continue to talk about this nonsense.
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  Speaker 1: Listen, that's fine with me. I'm going to get the
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  Speaker 1: word out. And as I stare at the election map
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  Speaker 1: from last November, in all of those areas, the vast
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  Speaker 1: majority of downtown Cincinnati the city limits voted eighty five
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  Speaker 1: to one hundred percent for a have to have Purvall
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  Speaker 1: and the current council members, which of course meant they
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  Speaker 1: voted also for Cheryl Long to remain in place, and
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  Speaker 1: the presence of IRIS rolling under contract that was known
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  Speaker 1: to the people before the vote. So I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe people don't care. And to that end, Kenkober, when
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  Speaker 1: you talk to your officers who are actually out on
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  Speaker 1: the street in all of these various neighborhoods. Do you
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  Speaker 1: get the sense from the community members people that you're
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  Speaker 1: protecting and serving, that they like you being there, that
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  Speaker 1: you're not an evil force to be reckoned with, that
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  Speaker 1: you they want you there to help try to eliminate
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  Speaker 1: or or at least prevent crime in their neighborhoods. Or
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  Speaker 1: is this philosophy that police are bad well kind of
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  Speaker 1: a problem generally speaking, that you confront that component every day.
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  Speaker 2: Now, the good people of this city are tired of
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  Speaker 2: this nonsense.
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  Speaker 1: I would figure the question becomes.
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  Speaker 2: What are they going to do to become informed voters?
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  Speaker 2: Because that's ultimately what has to happen. I mean, you look,
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  Speaker 2: I looked at some of these social media posts about this,
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  Speaker 2: and the people of this city that are absolutely appalled
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  Speaker 2: that a bond was even issued. I mean, this is
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  Speaker 2: something where normally, you know, normally it's a kind of
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  Speaker 2: fifty to fifty, you know, whatever, you know, but I
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  Speaker 2: mean this case, it's like ninety nine percent of the
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  Speaker 2: people are appalled that they would allow somebody a judge
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  Speaker 2: would allow somebody that comes into a busy nightclub with
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  Speaker 2: they said five hundred, six hundred and seven hundred people
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  Speaker 2: pull out a gun and start shooting, and that they
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  Speaker 2: would actually get a bond. If that is not a
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  Speaker 2: danger to society, I don't know what is. And if,
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  Speaker 2: of course, we remember the law that was passed by
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  Speaker 2: the voters of Ohio says that judges have to consider
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  Speaker 2: public safety when issuing bonds, and that clearly wasn't done
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  Speaker 2: in this case.
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  Speaker 1: No question about it. It this, and you know, I
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  Speaker 1: guess the reason that I don't have any idea, and
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  Speaker 1: it's been the questions are swirling around the prosecutor who
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  Speaker 1: didn't ask for no bond in this case as opposed
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  Speaker 1: to just asking for high bond. Judges clearly have a
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  Speaker 1: lot of discretion, but in this particular case, I think
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  Speaker 1: she the judge, completely ignored the public. This guy has
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  Speaker 1: a record. He was carrying a firearm when he was
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  Speaker 1: not lawfully entitled to carry one. He started firing indiscriminately
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  Speaker 1: into a crowd of people. If that doesn't represent a
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  Speaker 1: threat to the community, what does ken No?
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  Speaker 2: I agree, like I said, and you look at his record.
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  Speaker 2: He just got out of prison right.
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  Speaker 1: Before Christmas, a recidivus.
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  Speaker 2: He couldn't even make it the springtime without picking up
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  Speaker 2: a gun and trying to shoot somebody.
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  Speaker 1: Ken Kober, FOP President on behalf of my entire listening
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  Speaker 1: audience and the fifty five care Say Morning Show and
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  Speaker 1: me personally, I appreciate each and every each and every
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  Speaker 1: one of the insane police officers may disagree on some levels,
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  Speaker 1: but we thank you for your commitment to the community,
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  Speaker 1: willingness to go out into this environment and protect and
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  Speaker 1: serve in spite of the reality that you're dealing with
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  Speaker 1: a revolving door. And you know, maybe Police Chief Jiji
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  Speaker 1: was right. She told the truth that it is a
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  Speaker 1: revolving door and the police aren't gonna bother with serious
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  Speaker 1: crimes because they don't feel it's worth their while. And
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  Speaker 1: for that you get kicked out. Crazy. Ken, keep up
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  Speaker 1: the great work. You always have a spot here on
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  Speaker 1: the fifty five Carsee Morning Show. Thanks for having me, Brian,
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate it anytime. Brother eight nineteen right now in
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  Speaker 1: fifty five cars the talk station. Jason Louise got a
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  Speaker 1: moment or two. Maybe take a call before we get
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  Speaker 1: to judge in on Apolitano