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War Zone LIVE! Friday Wrap-Up 07-10-26 · Wayne Allyn Root’s WAR Zone Podcast

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  Speaker 8: right now, a Ph.D. research fellow, Thomas A. Rowe Institute
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  Speaker 8: at the Heritage Foundation, Alan Mendenhall. Alan, thank you for
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  Speaker 6: Hey, I appreciate the opportunity. Thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 8: All right, so we got chaos again, man, right? So
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  Speaker 8: oil popped back up today.
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  Speaker 7: Early this morning, I didn't get a.
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  Speaker 8: Chance to see it since about 10, 11 o'clock, but
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  Speaker 8: it was already up $ 7, $ 8. So I'm assuming that
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  Speaker 8: we can, if something doesn't drastically change here and we
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  Speaker 8: don't get some kind of deal, that the price of
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  Speaker 8: gasoline is going to go up, correct?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, probably so.
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  Speaker 2: Today, the price at the pump didn't really change, but
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  Speaker 2: the price of a barrel of oil is going up.
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  Speaker 2: I suspect we're going to go back to where we
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  Speaker 2: were when the straight wasn't open, assuming the straight closes.
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  Speaker 6: Hopefully, we can keep the straight open. We're still at.
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  Speaker 2: A point where we don't have nearly the amount of
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  Speaker 2: traffic that we had beforehand. I mean, We were getting 150,
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  Speaker 2: maybe on an incredible day, 200 ships through. Right now,
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  Speaker 2: on a good day, we're getting 50 ships through that straight.
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  Speaker 2: And when we're talking 20% of the world's oil supply
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  Speaker 2: going through that critical choke point, that's a big deal. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think I would not be surprised to see the
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  Speaker 2: gas prices go up. And this is just as they
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  Speaker 2: were starting to come down, too. They had creeped up.
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  Speaker 2: from February, March, and April. And then May, they peaked,
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  Speaker 2: and they were just coming back down. So disappointing, but
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  Speaker 2: not surprising at the same time.
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  Speaker 8: So everybody, you know, always asks this question, and I
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  Speaker 8: ask it of people, and it's always an unsatisfactory answer.
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  Speaker 8: And I don't expect you to give me a great,
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  Speaker 8: you know, a great, I'll come to Jesus moment for
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  Speaker 8: everybody listening. But, you know, everyone says that we're supposedly
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  Speaker 8: energy independent. And I know, you know, oil is a
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  Speaker 8: global market.
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  Speaker 7: But Why don't we just pump more? Why don't we
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  Speaker 7: pump more.
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  Speaker 8: Here and sort of limit the overall negative exposure we
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  Speaker 8: have to the world market?
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  Speaker 7: Can we do that, or is that just too hard
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  Speaker 7: and too difficult to lift?
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  Speaker 2: Well, part of it has to do with regulations, which
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  Speaker 2: have been eased in the current administration. And part of
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  Speaker 2: it has to do with if you're a private company
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  Speaker 2: and you think that this conflict is just going to
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  Speaker 2: be really short— you may not want to spend all
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  Speaker 2: the money it takes to start ramping up production if
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  Speaker 2: you think the conflict's just going to be short.
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  Speaker 6: We've been dipping into our oil reserves quite a bit.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, there's really nothing that stops these companies from
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  Speaker 2: pumping more, and they may have to.
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  Speaker 6: Look, they may have to.
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  Speaker 2: One interesting dynamic is Venezuela has the number one largest
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  Speaker 2: proven oil reserves in the world, But they have all
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  Speaker 2: this kind of crude stuff that isn't refined. And we
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  Speaker 2: have the ability to refine. So now that we have
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  Speaker 2: this new relationship with Venezuela, it'll be interesting.
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  Speaker 6: To see if we're able to tap into some of
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  Speaker 6: that oil.
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  Speaker 2: I know both Exxon and Chevron are starting to expand
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  Speaker 2: operations down there.
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  Speaker 6: So we'll see.
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  Speaker 2: There's just so much corruption and stuff like that that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, is inhibiting to the access.
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  Speaker 6: To oil there. But, you know, we'll see.
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  Speaker 8: But is there a way for, let's say, these United
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  Speaker 8: States companies, whether it's Exxon or Mobil or whoever, I mean,
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  Speaker 8: if they were to produce more, can they decide where
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  Speaker 8: they sell it or does it have to go on
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  Speaker 8: a global market?
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  Speaker 6: No, they could. I mean, they could decide where to
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  Speaker 6: sell it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, I think it's good for our oil companies
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  Speaker 6: to export.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we are, you know, we're like the number
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  Speaker 2: one producer of oil and we have been energy independent
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  Speaker 2: since 2019. Where we're really, really good is the liquefied
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  Speaker 2: natural gas, though, because we have these shale deposits in
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  Speaker 2: like New Mexico and Texas that just don't exist in
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  Speaker 2: other places. I mean, You can't just be a country
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  Speaker 2: that just says, oh, let's just try to like increase
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  Speaker 2: our liquefied natural gas because we're talking.
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  Speaker 6: About like millions and millions of.
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  Speaker 2: Years of sedimentary activity that just can't be replicated. China
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  Speaker 2: actually has more extensive shale deposits than we do, but
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  Speaker 2: they're in these really arid areas that are tough to
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  Speaker 2: get to. It's really hard to frack because the ground's
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  Speaker 2: really hard there. So even though they have more extensive
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  Speaker 2: shale deposits there, it's more difficult for them to get
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  Speaker 2: to them.
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  Speaker 6: So we're just lucky in that regard that we.
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  Speaker 2: Just have the topography, we have the geography, we have
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  Speaker 2: the history and the natural resources to be able to
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  Speaker 2: get that liquefied natural gas. And that's a really key
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  Speaker 2: thing because that's where we get our energy. The oil
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  Speaker 2: is for the travel and the transportation and jet fuel
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  Speaker 2: and putting it in our cars. But that That energy
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  Speaker 2: stuff is really important, especially now that we're growing in AI,
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  Speaker 2: because a lot of that AI is going to depend
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  Speaker 2: on that sort of that type of energy.
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  Speaker 7: Talk to me about the political ramifications. You mentioned Venezuela.
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  Speaker 8: Right.
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  Speaker 7: So there are some people who.
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  Speaker 8: Truly believe that Trump is playing this 3D game of
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  Speaker 8: chess while we're all playing marbles.
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  Speaker 7: Right.
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  Speaker 8: So he's we're all playing checkers and he's doing the
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  Speaker 8: 3D chess. And, you know, you get Venezuelan oil. OK,
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  Speaker 8: you have pseudo control over that. And if we were
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  Speaker 8: ever able to get the, you know, the Iranian oil
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  Speaker 8: or at least some control over how it's dispersed, we
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  Speaker 8: would then essentially have China almost at their knees.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, do you think that was part of this plan?
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  Speaker 8: And on the onset, I mean, some people think that's
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  Speaker 8: like a 50, 60 year plan that was put in place,
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  Speaker 8: you know, prior, right about the time of the Iranian revolution.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, is that something that you think is a possibility?
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  Speaker 6: I have a hard time imagining that it wasn't at
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  Speaker 6: least a factor.
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  Speaker 2: When you take into account that the number one importer
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  Speaker 2: of Venezuelan oil was China and the number one importer
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  Speaker 2: of Iranian oil was China, I find that hard to
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  Speaker 2: be a coincidence. Some other kind of geopolitical dynamics that
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  Speaker 2: are different now, in light of the Strait of Hormuz closing,
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  Speaker 2: you had UAE, as of May 1st, say, we're out
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  Speaker 2: of OPEC. We're tired of these quotas. We want to
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  Speaker 2: pump as much.
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  Speaker 4: Oil as we want.
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  Speaker 6: And, you know, we've got other OPEC countries that are
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  Speaker 6: cheating without consequence.
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  Speaker 2: And like, What do we get out of OPEC now? Like,
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  Speaker 2: we're not getting anything out of it. Let's get out,
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  Speaker 2: and now we can pump as much oil as we want.
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  Speaker 2: And so when the strait becomes fully open, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's open now, but it is.
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  Speaker 6: Not fully open.
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  Speaker 2: Like I said earlier, we're not getting 150 ships through
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  Speaker 2: every day.
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  Speaker 6: But when we do, and UAE is pumping oil, you know, that's.
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  Speaker 2: Going to be a big game changer, especially if you
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  Speaker 2: have other OPEC countries look at what UAE is doing
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  Speaker 2: and say, wait a second.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 6: They're going to do that. Let's do it too.
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  Speaker 8: Well, speaking to that, I mean, a lot of people
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  Speaker 8: don't know anything about the petrodollar. And we're talking with
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  Speaker 8: Alan Mendenhall from Heritage Foundation. A lot of folks think
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  Speaker 8: that maybe with the Iranians, India, I think, got together,
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  Speaker 8: China as well, wanted to flip, if you will, how
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  Speaker 8: Oil was bought and get it off the United States dollar.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: So is that part of this equation? How important is
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  Speaker 7: it for us to keep that petrodollar?
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  Speaker 6: Well, gosh, that's a tough question.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's important for sure whether that
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  Speaker 2: would actually happen.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I'm... crazier things are happening. There are things that I say,
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  Speaker 2: I don't see that being possible. Well, I've said that
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  Speaker 2: about like five or six things that happened over the
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  Speaker 2: last five or six years, so who knows? But the
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  Speaker 2: one thing that we really do need to do is
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  Speaker 2: get this situation in Iran figured out because It is
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  Speaker 2: contributing to inflation. I mean, headline inflation is at 4.2%.
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  Speaker 2: And the reason you can tell that the oil situation
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  Speaker 2: is contributing to that is because if you look at
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  Speaker 2: core inflation, it's still below 3%. Headline inflation, as measured
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  Speaker 2: by the CPI, includes energy costs... and food costs, but
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  Speaker 2: core inflation doesn't. So when you remove the energy and
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  Speaker 2: food costs and you see that core inflation is that
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  Speaker 2: much lower, you realize, oh yeah, it's definitely, this oil
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  Speaker 2: situation is definitely what's given us these inflationary problems. And so,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we've got to figure that out or else
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  Speaker 2: we're going to have to deal with that. We get
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  Speaker 2: a new CPI report next week, by the way. I'm
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  Speaker 2: looking forward to that to see, you know, At first,
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  Speaker 2: I was looking forward to see like, oh, how much
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  Speaker 2: better is it going to be now that gas prices
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  Speaker 2: have dropped?
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  Speaker 6: But now that we've got this.
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  Speaker 2: New change here in Iran, you know, over the last
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  Speaker 2: 24 hours, I might be looking at it and see
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  Speaker 2: what hasn't changed or what may have even gotten worse.
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  Speaker 8: You know, anybody who does the food shopping in their
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  Speaker 8: family knows that inflation is still it's a heavy burden
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  Speaker 8: on every household.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: You go to buy the most basic foods now, and
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  Speaker 8: you're looking twice. You're looking three times. Families are making
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  Speaker 8: a decision. I'm making a decision whether or not to
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  Speaker 8: put back that box of cereal. I always talk about that.
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  Speaker 8: I looked yesterday, as a matter of fact, as I
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  Speaker 8: was walking through, and they had this special on a
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  Speaker 8: box of Cheerios.
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  Speaker 7: It was a big box, but it was like six bucks.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, six bucks is a special price? That's crazy.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, what world am I living in?
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  Speaker 8: So, yeah, I think hopefully... that the gas prices can
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  Speaker 8: come down because, you know, as well as everybody, the
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  Speaker 8: idea that the midterms are right around the corner. And,
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  Speaker 8: you know, the last thing we want to do is
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  Speaker 8: lose the House and potentially the Senate because nobody can
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  Speaker 8: afford their regular bills every single month.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you're exactly right. And that's the only thing
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  Speaker 2: that really the Democrats can latch on to is Iran
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  Speaker 2: and this inflation. But it is important to keep it
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  Speaker 2: in context. I mean, yeah, we've got 4.2 percent, but
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  Speaker 2: it was 9.1 percent under Biden with gas prices over
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  Speaker 2: five dollars.
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  Speaker 6: So we have short term memories and we forget that.
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  Speaker 2: It's important to bear that in mind, just to contextualize things.
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  Speaker 2: The other thing is, we've gotten pretty good jobs reports.
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  Speaker 2: This latest one was beneath expectations, but it was still
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  Speaker 2: not bad. Our only really bad month was February, where
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  Speaker 2: we had some declines. The other thing is, the stock
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  Speaker 2: markets are are going gangbusters. I guess not everybody has
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  Speaker 2: access to capital markets and can invest, but those who
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  Speaker 2: do are seeing records. The Dow Jones has hit 21
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  Speaker 2: records in 2026 alone, and that's not even counting the
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  Speaker 2: records that the S & P 500 and the NASDAQ
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  Speaker 2: have hit.
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  Speaker 6: We're seeing rallies that are unbelievable. Obviously, today wasn't a
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  Speaker 6: great day for the markets, but it's one day. It's
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  Speaker 6: a one-off.
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  Speaker 2: Um, so people are seeing those 401ks as the president
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  Speaker 2: continues to remind us, uh, making, um, astronomical gains.
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  Speaker 6: And, you know, maybe this is a good thing with
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  Speaker 6: the Trump.
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  Speaker 2: Accounts to get these young kids invested early on with, uh,
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  Speaker 2: looking at, you know, looking at capital markets, learning how
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  Speaker 2: to invest, getting financial literacy.
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  Speaker 6: So I see a lot of positives.
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  Speaker 2: Um, you know, the gas is the most negative, but again,
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  Speaker 2: to contextualize it, it's not nearly what it was under Biden.
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  Speaker 8: So give us a little bit more detail on the
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  Speaker 8: latest BLS job report. What insight can you tell us
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  Speaker 8: moving forward from that, from the latest report?
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  Speaker 7: I think it came out yesterday, today, yesterday?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I guess the positive is that we did
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  Speaker 2: gain jobs. So it wasn't what we were expecting, but
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  Speaker 2: we did gain jobs. Unemployment stays about the same. It
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  Speaker 2: shows that the economy is kind of stable.
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  Speaker 6: It's resilient.
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  Speaker 2: But one interesting thing is where we were gaining jobs–
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  Speaker 2: I know earlier in the year, people would say, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we had a good jobs report, but it was just
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  Speaker 2: all health care, as if that were just a totally
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  Speaker 2: bad thing. But this time, we saw gains in the
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  Speaker 2: category of professional and business services. And so that's like,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you're professionals, engineers, lawyers, accountants, whatever, scientists, and that.
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  Speaker 6: Type of stuff, which is interesting to me.
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  Speaker 2: That suggests, I think, a very positive sign that some
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  Speaker 2: career-oriented sectors are growing. And I guess we're also seeing,
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  Speaker 2: I guess, hiring in some ways. Yeah, wages are still growing.
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  Speaker 2: Hiring is cooling. I mean, the only positive you may
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  Speaker 2: take from that is that It signals that we might
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  Speaker 2: have Fed Reserve cutting rates later in the year.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know. On the dot plot.
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  Speaker 2: We have suggestions that the Fed's going to maintain rates
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  Speaker 2: or maybe even raise interest rates. I personally don't like
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  Speaker 2: anything that the Federal Reserve does whatsoever. But I wish
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  Speaker 2: the thing didn't exist. But if you're trying to take
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  Speaker 2: it from the president's perspective, he's been calling for a
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  Speaker 2: reduction in interest rates. And if you're on board with
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  Speaker 2: that— that would be a positive. I get nervous about
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  Speaker 2: the Federal Reserve lowering interest rates to artificial rates, because
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  Speaker 2: that's also how you get inflation. If you just put
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  Speaker 2: too much circulation into the money supply, too much money
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  Speaker 2: in circulation, and you risk stimulating the economy based on
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  Speaker 2: artificial numbers, that's.
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  Speaker 6: Always a bad thing.
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  Speaker 2: So that stuff makes me nervous. But But yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: think the jobs report is for the most part, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it was below expectations, but is it bad news?
• 16:45
  Speaker 6: No, it's not bad news. It's just news.
• 16:47
  Speaker 7: We're talking with Alan Mendenhall.
• 16:49
  Speaker 8: I got one more for you before we run out
• 16:50
  Speaker 8: of time, but this is sort of a 30,000 foot
• 16:52
  Speaker 8: view question. I'm sure you get it all the time.
• 16:55
  Speaker 8: But you mentioned artificial intelligence. So I know with the
• 17:00
  Speaker 8: birth of the internet, jobs were created because of the internet.
• 17:05
  Speaker 8: This feels different to me, right? It feels like artificial
• 17:08
  Speaker 8: intelligence for how amazing it is.
• 17:11
  Speaker 7: And it is, it's going.
• 17:13
  Speaker 8: To be incredibly destructive to jobs that, you know, you
• 17:16
  Speaker 8: may farm out to somebody else.
• 17:18
  Speaker 7: Like you, you don't need graphic designers anymore. You're not
• 17:21
  Speaker 7: going to.
• 17:21
  Speaker 8: Need anybody to, you know, do these tasks that even
• 17:27
  Speaker 8: creative tasks that, you know, the middle rung folks do.
• 17:30
  Speaker 8: would do down the road. You don't need anybody to
• 17:32
  Speaker 8: talk to you about real estate. I mean, you know,
• 17:36
  Speaker 8: the number of jobs that are going to be replaced or.
• 17:38
  Speaker 7: Eliminated, I mean, it's almost endless. Where do you see that?
• 17:42
  Speaker 8: Do you see a lot of new jobs or equal
• 17:44
  Speaker 8: jobs being birthed from AI, or do you see a
• 17:47
  Speaker 8: massive loss there.
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: In the end?
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: Well, I share the anxiety, but I try to keep
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: a historical perspective in mind and look back over the
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: course of centuries. I mean, we panicked when the printing
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: press came out. You know, we panicked when we had cars.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, there are a lot of jobs.
• 18:03
  Speaker 6: That we don't have anymore.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, there was a huge demand for train conductors
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: at one point, and we don't do train. There was
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: a huge demand for switchboard operators.
• 18:12
  Speaker 7: Horse and buggy drivers, right?
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: So, yeah.
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah, a lot of things like that.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: And so I try to bear in mind that there
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: are things that will come out of AI that are
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: just unforeseeable.
• 18:23
  Speaker 6: We don't know what they're going to be. That's the
• 18:24
  Speaker 6: whole notion.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Of Schumpeter's theory of creative destruction is that, yeah, you
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: get some really disruptive technology that comes in and it
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: does eliminate jobs in different sectors, but it creates new
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: jobs that.
• 18:35
  Speaker 6: Are totally unanticipated.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: And it's because they're unanticipated that I can't say what
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: they're going to be, you know? So I just have
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: to be hopeful that AI follows the historical pattern of
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: other innovations and other technologies that came about and that
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: we'll find new things and new forms of jobs. But yeah,
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: I do share the anxiety because I don't have a
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: crystal ball.
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: I can't see the future. So I share that anxiety.
• 18:59
  Speaker 8: Alan Mendel, tell everybody where they can find you and,
• 19:01
  Speaker 8: you know, the pieces that you've written and And what
• 19:04
  Speaker 8: you got going on over at the Heritage Foundation?
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah, well, thanks.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: My website is www.alanmendenhall.com. I say that because it rolls
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: off the tongue. I had this one host make fun
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: of me because I throw the www.
• 19:14
  Speaker 6: He's like, you know you don't have to say that anymore.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's just my name, alanmendenhall.com. And then, of course,
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: you can always go to the free enterprise initiative at
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: the Heritage Foundation and look at what we're doing there.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: We're doing a lot of cool corporate engagement where we're
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: filing shareholder proposals with companies that are doing some bad things.
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: So that's fun work.
• 19:31
  Speaker 7: Outstanding.
• 19:31
  Speaker 8: Listen, I appreciate it. It was great talking to you.
• 19:34
  Speaker 8: Let's do it again real soon, but I thank you,
• 19:36
  Speaker 8: and I'll talk down the road.
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: Sounds good. Thanks for having me.
• 19:38
  Speaker 7: All right, brother. You got it. All right, we'll take
• 19:40
  Speaker 7: a short break.
• 19:41
  Speaker 8: Don't forget, you can watch what's going on, thegatewaypundit.com, Wayne's Rumble,
• 19:44
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• 19:48
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• 19:50
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• 19:52
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• 23:20
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• 23:30
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• 23:34
  Speaker 9: How are you?
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  Speaker 6: I'm wonderful, Wayne.
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  Speaker 5: Good to see you, my friend.
• 23:36
  Speaker 10: I hope you brushed up on your your your lawyer
• 23:39
  Speaker 10: ness for tomorrow.
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: So that should be a lot of fun. I look
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: forward to that.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm kind of like I'm kind of like an
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: actor who doesn't read his lines before he walks out
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: on the set. I have no time. So I'm just
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: going to walk out and wing it. I haven't done
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: one thing, to be honest with you. But I could
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: make an argument in my sleep against illegal immigration. It's insanity.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: I opened the show today, Dean. with like 10 straight
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: stories about illegal aliens raping and murdering and trying to
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: murder cops and Democrats defending them and trying to make
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: sure they're not deported out of our country. Don't you
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: find that just insane? It's one thing to say, listen,
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: I want to deport all of them. I really do.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: If you break into our country, I want to get
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: rid of everyone. But I can at least understand the argument.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: If you're a nice person, you're naive, and you say,
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: that man has been here 20 years, and he's been
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: a good person, and he's worked hard. I don't want
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: you going after him. I'll have that debate with you,
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: but at least I can understand your side. But the
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: fact that Democrats defend people that are rapist murderers and
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: pedophiles who rape little children, and they seem to be
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: like it's the most important thing in the world to
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: not allow them to be deported. or to be sent
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: to jail is just beyond my ability to understand.
• 24:51
  Speaker 10: I can't explain it in any way, shape, or form.
• 24:54
  Speaker 10: It doesn't make any sense to me. Like any other
• 24:57
  Speaker 10: country on the planet, we have the right to enforce
• 25:00
  Speaker 10: our borders. And that's what ICE means, Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Now,
• 25:04
  Speaker 10: if someone breaks in here and said, that guy who's
• 25:06
  Speaker 10: been here 20, 30 years, They have had multiple opportunities
• 25:09
  Speaker 10: to make themselves legal, and they haven't taken that step.
• 25:14
  Speaker 10: So that's the problem right there. I mean, I've had
• 25:16
  Speaker 10: a home in Spain for 20-plus years. I follow their
• 25:19
  Speaker 10: immigration laws. Every time I travel or work in Canada—
• 25:23
  Speaker 10: or Mexico or Europe or anyplace else. I follow all
• 25:26
  Speaker 10: of their immigration laws. And it's an easy thing to do.
• 25:29
  Speaker 10: People here have just taken advantage of the system. The
• 25:32
  Speaker 10: Democrats want the voting base, and they want to give
• 25:34
  Speaker 10: them free things to.
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: Get their votes.
• 25:36
  Speaker 10: And they want to legalize everybody who's here illegally in
• 25:39
  Speaker 10: order to have a larger number of people for apportionment
• 25:43
  Speaker 10: for Congress. I mean, so it's real straightforward. But it's
• 25:46
  Speaker 10: not safe for the American people. It's against the law.
• 25:48
  Speaker 10: And if they don't like the way that the.
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: Laws are written— Change the law.
• 25:52
  Speaker 10: They didn't change the law for congressmen and women.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: Change the law. But you have no right to break it.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: You have no right to break it. And not only
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: do illegals, Dean, not have a right to break it,
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: but no politicians. See, here's Trump's failing. I love Trump,
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: but I don't understand why he's not arresting people like
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: Mondami and Karen Bass. When a mayor says, I will
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: not allow ICE in my city. And if they come
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: in my city, I will warn ICE they're coming and
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: I will actively defend. You don't need to comply with
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: federal immigration law. Really? That makes you a criminal. I
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: don't understand that.
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: You're a criminal.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: You're aiding and abetting criminal actions and you're refusing. That's
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: an insurrection. Refusing the laws of the federal government of
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: the United States. So we should be arresting those politicians
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: to set an example.
• 26:36
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I don't know what the DOJ's take is on that.
• 26:40
  Speaker 10: I recently sat down with our acting attorney general, hopefully
• 26:44
  Speaker 10: be soon the full attorney general, Todd Blanch. I would
• 26:48
  Speaker 10: like to ask him that question. I guess I should
• 26:50
  Speaker 10: have talked to you before I sat down with him,
• 26:52
  Speaker 10: because I don't know the answer. I don't understand that.
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: It doesn't make sense. Here's federal law.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: We have.
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: the supremacy clause.
• 26:58
  Speaker 10: Of course, you know, whether it's a constitutional question, whether
• 27:01
  Speaker 10: the states' rights allow them.
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: To do that, I don't know the answer. But it
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: seems insane.
• 27:05
  Speaker 10: And it's against the security, the national security of the
• 27:09
  Speaker 10: United States of America.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: You would have made a good lawyer as well. You're
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: a good talker, but you're probably like me, right? I
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: went to school and I got straight A's, but never studied,
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: never cracked a book. I'm just not the type, right?
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: I didn't want to spend three years in law school.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: I went to Columbia University and I said, I can't
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: wait to get out. And I canceled my idea of
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: going to law school because I just couldn't even stomach
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: another minute in a classroom with these boring professors. Oh,
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: my God. It was like getting your teeth pulled sitting
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: in a classroom at Columbia for a guy like me.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: Other kids loved it. But for me, I was like
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: calling my bookmaker instead of going to class. It's just
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: I wasn't cut out to be a student, a studier,
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: you know, because you could have been a lawyer. You're
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: a smart guy. I bet you didn't like classrooms either, right?
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: Didn't love it. I'm a Princeton guy. I graduated from Princeton.
• 27:55
  Speaker 10: But I didn't– when I got there, I was actually–
• 27:58
  Speaker 10: I was shocked at how sort of behind I was.
• 28:01
  Speaker 10: But by the time I was a senior, I was cruising,
• 28:03
  Speaker 10: cruising through.
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: So it was a little.
• 28:05
  Speaker 10: More difficult for me coming from a public high school
• 28:08
  Speaker 10: in Santa Monica. I was the first kid from the
• 28:14
  Speaker 10: football team that ever went to the Ivy League.
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: We had some other guys that could have done it,
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: but I'm the first one to have done so. But
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: I didn't love.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: Class, man.
• 28:20
  Speaker 10: I was so happy to get out of college and
• 28:21
  Speaker 10: be done with that and get out in the world
• 28:24
  Speaker 10: and sort of find my way, which I'm still finding
• 28:27
  Speaker 10: at the ripe old age of YouTube.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: I have a feeling that you had a very similar
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: college career to mine. I was going out every night
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: to Studio 54. That was my Columbia time. I was
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: calling bookmakers during the day, betting on football games, and
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: I was going to Studio 54 and Xenon at night,
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: and I'm sure your career was not much different at Princeton.
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: It has not worked out for either one of us.
• 28:50
  Speaker 7: Terrible.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: But here's the deal. I believe, if I'm not mistaken,
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: you're going to be very proud of me that I
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: know this, I believe you're the all-time leader in interceptions
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: in a season that in the history of Princeton, the
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: Ivy leagues. And, and I think you're like tied for
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: the all time number in the history of the NCAA
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: or something like that.
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 29:07
  Speaker 10: Well, actually, yeah. For Princeton and the Ivy League, for sure.
• 29:10
  Speaker 10: And for a long time, for 13 years, I held
• 29:12
  Speaker 10: the interception record in a single season for a player,
• 29:15
  Speaker 10: which was 12 in my senior year. But I did
• 29:18
  Speaker 10: it in 10 games. So what I do have, I
• 29:20
  Speaker 10: still hold two NCAA records, which are per game of averages.
• 29:25
  Speaker 10: Per game average for a season, 1.2. And per game
• 29:28
  Speaker 10: average for a career, I had 22 in 30 games.
• 29:33
  Speaker 10: So I liked it, but I like to pick off
• 29:35
  Speaker 10: passes and I let our team in tackles. And so
• 29:38
  Speaker 10: I was, I was a very active free safety. That's
• 29:40
  Speaker 10: why I got my shot to go play for these guys,
• 29:42
  Speaker 10: the Buffalo bills.
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: And unfortunately that ended a little bit too early, like early, early.
• 29:47
  Speaker 10: Like I could have had, if we talk for 10
• 29:49
  Speaker 10: more minutes on this call on this, on this interview here,
• 29:52
  Speaker 10: I'll that's about how much time I got to spend
• 29:54
  Speaker 10: in Buffalo.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: Did you get hurt, by the way, when you were
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: with the Buffalo Bills? The injury ended your career? Is
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: that what happened?
• 29:59
  Speaker 7: It was a knee.
• 30:00
  Speaker 10: And I didn't think that was the end. I thought
• 30:01
  Speaker 10: I was coming back. And my rookie year, we lost
• 30:04
  Speaker 10: the AFC Championship. I was a rookie with Thurman Thomas.
• 30:08
  Speaker 10: And so we had, you know, Jim Kelly, Bruce Smith,
• 30:11
  Speaker 10: Daryl Talley. You know, we had all these great, unbelievable players.
• 30:15
  Speaker 10: And Andre Reid. And that was the time. So if
• 30:19
  Speaker 10: I'd have played for five years, I would have seen
• 30:20
  Speaker 10: four Super Bowls. And I love to believe.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: You would have won a couple of them with you?
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I made the squad.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: There you go. I'm a big Dallas Cowboy fan, by
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: the way. I've been for, you know, since I'm five
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: years old. So I've been a Dallas Cowboy fan for
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: over half a century. And we beat the Bills in
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: two of those four Super Bowls pretty badly. Yeah, thank you.
• 30:40
  Speaker 10: Thank you.
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: I'm glad you weren't on the Bills. Yeah, that would
• 30:45
  Speaker 6: have hurt.
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: But Jason Garrett is one of my real close friends.
• 30:48
  Speaker 10: He was my quarterback in college, and he ended up
• 30:51
  Speaker 10: playing for the Cowboys for a long time.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: I missed that name.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Who was it?
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: Jason Garrett.
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: Oh, Jason Garrett.
• 30:58
  Speaker 7: Oh, yeah, that's right.
• 30:59
  Speaker 9: Princeton.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 31:01
  Speaker 10: He was my quarterback.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: He was a great act, too.
• 31:03
  Speaker 7: Smart guy. Very good.
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: Smart guy.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: Great guy. Because I'm a Cowboy fan my whole life,
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: I remember the few times he came in, and he
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: did fantastic every time as a backup when there was
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: an injury. And I believe one of those was a
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: big National Thanksgiving game, and he had a great game
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: through a winning touchdown, I think, against someone, probably the Redskins,
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: if I know correctly. And well, now they're the commanders.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: But in those days, they were the Redskins.
• 31:23
  Speaker 7: They should be the Redskins.
• 31:23
  Speaker 10: They're always the Redskins, Wayne.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: So you served as an honorary ICE officer. How did
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: that come about? And what was that experience like?
• 31:32
  Speaker 10: Well, I'm a sworn deputy sheriff and have been for
• 31:35
  Speaker 10: close to a decade now in Frederick County, Virginia.
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: I'm a reserve police officer in Pocatello, Idaho.
• 31:40
  Speaker 10: I joined those forces because it was during the, you know,
• 31:44
  Speaker 10: defund the police time and people are always picking on
• 31:47
  Speaker 10: the police.
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: And I'm like, the police are heroes. These— you know, are
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: there bad instances? Yeah, there are.
• 31:52
  Speaker 10: Can there be bad contact with police officers?
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: Sure.
• 31:54
  Speaker 10: And that's the outlier, and it happens, and there's a
• 31:56
  Speaker 10: way to rectify that. But calling these people, you know,
• 31:59
  Speaker 10: Nazis and Gestapo and things of that nature and going.
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: Against the police at the time, I thought that was insane.
• 32:05
  Speaker 10: So— excuse me. So I joined the police. I became a
• 32:10
  Speaker 10: deputy sheriff. I became a reserve police officer. And then
• 32:13
  Speaker 10: all of a sudden, this thing came up with ICE,
• 32:15
  Speaker 10: where everybody was going after ICE and saying how awful
• 32:17
  Speaker 10: and terrible, and they're Nazi, and they're Gestapo. And I
• 32:19
  Speaker 10: was like, this is insane. So I joined as an
• 32:23
  Speaker 10: honorary ICE officer. I went through a lot of the training.
• 32:25
  Speaker 10: I haven't finished my training. Todd Lyons, director of Lyons,
• 32:30
  Speaker 10: who was the— The head of ICE retired at the
• 32:33
  Speaker 10: end of July.
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: And end of June, maybe May.
• 32:38
  Speaker 10: I don't know what it was.
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: Maybe May, the end of May. And so I need
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: to finish.
• 32:41
  Speaker 10: I want to finish up all of my training and
• 32:43
  Speaker 10: I want to become a full fledged ICE agent.
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: And I think that's important.
• 32:47
  Speaker 10: I think it's important to stand with these men and
• 32:48
  Speaker 10: women who protect us every single day and enforce the law.
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: And calling ICE agents, Gestapo, I want to put a–
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: I'm not a Nazi. I don't wish ill will on anybody.
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: I'm a nice person.
• 33:00
  Speaker 10: I root for people to do well.
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: I would help you. you know, get out of your
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: car or get up or any of those things.
• 33:06
  Speaker 10: But if there's a bad person there and they've broken
• 33:09
  Speaker 10: the law, I'm going to be one of those people
• 33:12
  Speaker 10: who try to enforce the law. These people are heroes.
• 33:14
  Speaker 10: I'm proud to stand shoulder to shoulder with them every
• 33:17
  Speaker 10: single day.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: All right, you and I are like carbon copies, my friend.
• 33:21
  Speaker 7: We're like the same person.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: And by the way, I spent 13 years in Malibu.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: I lived right above, it was in the Trankas area,
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: and at the very top of Trankas is the Maharaji
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: of India's home.
• 33:33
  Speaker 8: Maharaji, yeah.
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: His mansion, right?
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: And I was right next to him. My home overlooked
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: him when his helicopter pad, the only legal residential helicopter
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: pad in all of Los Angeles County... I was allowed
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: to take off and write like maybe two, three times
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: a week. I'd hear this wild noise. My whole house
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: would shake. It was the Maharaji's helicopter taking off right
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: next to my house. And it was the most majestic thing.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: It was amazing. But I spent a lot of time
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: in Malibu and and I'm glad I left because Dean
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: in the in the 24 years I've been gone, I've
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: been in Vegas 24 years. Both houses I lived in
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: in Malibu have since burned to the ground. So it's
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: lucky I didn't stay because my house would be gone
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: and my life would be dramatically changed.
• 34:12
  Speaker 10: Well, you'd have a lot less money too because all
• 34:14
  Speaker 10: of your money would be paid in taxes.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: And the other thing you and I have in common
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: is you moved to Vegas from Malibu and that's what
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: I did all those years ago.
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: I did it three years ago, and it was the
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: smartest move I ever made.
• 34:23
  Speaker 10: I wish we were talking about this 20 years ago.
• 34:25
  Speaker 10: I might have zipped out earlier. But I'm happy being
• 34:30
  Speaker 10: in Vegas, love Nevada's laws and what's going on here.
• 34:33
  Speaker 10: So I'm extremely happy to be here with you, my friend.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: Think of all the money I saved in 24 years
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: of that ridiculous taxes in California. And, Dean, tell them all,
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: where do those high taxes go? Why do you need
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: such high taxes in California? Because of all the illegal aliens.
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: A hundred percent.
• 34:52
  Speaker 10: And all the, you know, homelessness there is, and the
• 34:55
  Speaker 10: NGOs that do things there, homelessness, you know, welfare state,
• 35:00
  Speaker 10: all those things, Medicare.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: Climate change.
• 35:03
  Speaker 10: Everybody.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: Climate change.
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: It's just drifters.
• 35:06
  Speaker 10: And guys like Gavin Newsom are absolutely reaching in everybody's pockets.
• 35:10
  Speaker 10: And putting everything through a non-governmental organization, whether or not it's,
• 35:15
  Speaker 10: you know, attached to his wife's, you know, new NGO
• 35:19
  Speaker 10: or whatever it is. I mean, they're just fleecing the
• 35:20
  Speaker 10: American people. There's no reason for all that madness out there.
• 35:23
  Speaker 10: Half of the United States homeless population, I think, is
• 35:26
  Speaker 10: in America. is in California, which is because they encourage it.
• 35:29
  Speaker 10: Pay people to be there. They pay them to give
• 35:33
  Speaker 10: them money, our money, our tax money. And they pay them.
• 35:36
  Speaker 10: There's a reason that California went from a $ 95 billion
• 35:39
  Speaker 10: surplus or.
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: Something like that to absolutely huge deficit.
• 35:43
  Speaker 10: And there's a reason that Gavin Newsom is doing just fine.
• 35:48
  Speaker 10: And his wife is doing just fine. It's a terrible thing.
• 35:52
  Speaker 10: Please do not California our United States. I'll do anything
• 35:55
  Speaker 10: I can to stop that from happening.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: And don't California Kate Nevada. And the guy running for
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: governor is my buddy, Governor Joe Lombardo. He is the
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: president governor running for reelection. He's great. Who's running against them?
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: I think he pronounced it A-Ron, Aaron Ford, A-Ron Ford.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: He gets mad when you call him Aaron. A-Ron Ford.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: And this guy is such a commie loser that I
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: heard today Newsom is in Vegas endorsing A-Ron Ford. And
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: so Governor Newsom is here trying to California-cate Nevada. He's
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: not happy he's ruined California enough. Him and his wife
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: together are under a federal investigation, and I'm sure there's
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: a good reason for it because I'm sure they stole
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: a lot of NGO money. But again, it's an opinion show,
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: just my opinion. Last but not least, what do you
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: think of the job that President Trump has done?
• 36:45
  Speaker 10: I would give him an A +. I love what
• 36:48
  Speaker 10: he has done. And I was on a show yesterday
• 36:51
  Speaker 10: where somebody was picking on me and going after everything.
• 36:54
  Speaker 10: Is he a convicted sexual liable?
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: Blah, blah, blah.
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: All this crazy stuff.
• 36:57
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: And has he turned around the economy? Has he done
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: all this?
• 37:00
  Speaker 10: Has he done no new wars, blah, blah, blah? I
• 37:03
  Speaker 10: believe President Trump is— I love this country. And if you
• 37:08
  Speaker 10: cut me open, I'd bleed red, white, and blue. The
• 37:10
  Speaker 10: same as Secretary Hegseth and the same as President Trump.
• 37:13
  Speaker 10: President Trump is a patriot. He loves this country like
• 37:17
  Speaker 10: very few. And I think when you have a tanker,
• 37:21
  Speaker 10: which is the United States— moving down a waterway, it
• 37:25
  Speaker 10: takes a minute.
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: To turn it around. I think we were in big,
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: big trouble under the.
• 37:31
  Speaker 10: Prior administration. Biden's administration is the worst I've ever seen ever.
• 37:36
  Speaker 10: And I think we were in huge trouble. It's going
• 37:38
  Speaker 10: to take a minute to turn that tanker around. And
• 37:40
  Speaker 10: President Trump is having a fight with Congress. fight with
• 37:42
  Speaker 10: some of his own rhinos and things like that to
• 37:45
  Speaker 10: get things done. But I truly believe he's been playing
• 37:48
  Speaker 10: 3D chess. I love what he's doing in Iran. Clean
• 37:51
  Speaker 10: it out. Finish the job, please. And maybe there'll be
• 37:55
  Speaker 10: peace in the Middle East. And I'd love to see
• 37:58
  Speaker 10: the midterms go towards the Republicans, because if he has
• 38:01
  Speaker 10: that happen, we will be in the golden age of the.
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: United States of America.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: So when I was, again, you and I are like
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: two peas in a pod. When I was younger, I
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: was in my 20s, I was a big time potential
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: game show host in Los Angeles. And I was picked
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: by ABC and Merrill Heater, who was the biggest game
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: show producer in the city, to be the new host
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: of Gambit. And they found out that I was a
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: Republican because I held a fundraiser at my Malibu home
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: for the Republican National Congressional Committee. And it made the
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: front pages, I think, of the Malibu paper. And I
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: think it also made the LA Times. And all of
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: a sudden, my agent dropped me And ABC did not
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: pick up the pilot. And Meryl Heder never called me again.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: And I lost my entire career.
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: So I want to know.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: How it works out with you because Hollywood's worse now
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: than it ever was then. How do you keep a
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: career going, Dean, in Hollywood while being a conservative MAGA
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: guy who's pro-ICE and pro-Trump?
• 39:00
  Speaker 10: It doesn't make me popular with some of the producers
• 39:02
  Speaker 10: out there, but I think, again, times are changing because
• 39:04
  Speaker 10: all this woke garbage that Hollywood's been putting out is
• 39:07
  Speaker 10: dying on the vine, and it's costing them hundreds of
• 39:10
  Speaker 10: millions of dollars. And I think that at the end
• 39:12
  Speaker 10: of the day, it's a business, and people are going
• 39:13
  Speaker 10: to go, no, I don't like this. David Ellison will
• 39:16
  Speaker 10: be taking over Paramount.
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: I love that. And maybe even Warner Brothers.
• 39:19
  Speaker 10: I'd like to see some of this woke slop stop
• 39:22
  Speaker 10: getting made. I'd love to see more films, big blockbusters
• 39:27
  Speaker 10: like Top Gun Maverick, things like that. I'd love to
• 39:30
  Speaker 10: see that happen. For me, Hollywood doesn't tell you to
• 39:34
  Speaker 10: your face that I won't hire you because I think
• 39:35
  Speaker 10: you're conservative and you know, support the police, which is
• 39:38
  Speaker 10: crazy because every third show is a cop show. Right.
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: You know, they won't say that to your face.
• 39:44
  Speaker 10: They'll stab you in the back. Although my agent recently
• 39:46
  Speaker 10: did just.
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: Tell me, you know, that there was something there I
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: was up for. And they were like that.
• 39:49
  Speaker 10: Dean Cain, no way that guy's, you know, the crazy
• 39:52
  Speaker 10: mega right. wing insane person.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 39:56
  Speaker 10: What is insane about loving the United States, supporting our
• 39:59
  Speaker 10: law enforcement? I root for everybody. I want everybody to
• 40:02
  Speaker 10: do well. And I gave a speech yesterday at Freedom
• 40:05
  Speaker 10: Fest about what I think the American way is and
• 40:08
  Speaker 10: put it out there pretty straightforwardly. And I think that
• 40:10
  Speaker 10: that's true. I think America is the best country ever.
• 40:13
  Speaker 10: We have the most freedom. We're the most giving. We're
• 40:15
  Speaker 10: the strongest nation.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: We have.
• 40:17
  Speaker 10: that, that, that frontiersman rugged, never say die attitude. And
• 40:22
  Speaker 10: we also think that we're going to win because we
• 40:25
  Speaker 10: believe in what we're doing. I do believe that there's
• 40:27
  Speaker 10: a lot of providence from God that protects the people
• 40:30
  Speaker 10: here and allows us our freedoms. When you look at,
• 40:33
  Speaker 10: and when you travel outside of the United States, that's,
• 40:35
  Speaker 10: that's one of the biggest ways you can try to
• 40:37
  Speaker 10: do business outside the United States. You start to understand
• 40:40
  Speaker 10: how we are the great, we're not perfect, but but
• 40:42
  Speaker 10: we are the greatest nation on earth and we're always
• 40:44
  Speaker 10: striving for a more perfect union. And part of that
• 40:47
  Speaker 10: is having these conversations with people we disagree with and
• 40:50
  Speaker 10: they don't do that enough. And then I put out
• 40:52
  Speaker 10: my content. I do a lot of Christian faith-based movies.
• 40:55
  Speaker 10: I just directed two this last year, produced, directed, wrote,
• 40:58
  Speaker 10: starred in them. They're going to be coming out this year.
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: I'm just finishing up those projects now. Just shot another
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: movie in Texas.
• 41:05
  Speaker 10: I keep working despite the blacklist, despite all this happening.
• 41:09
  Speaker 10: And I think I'll be able to beat this this
• 41:11
  Speaker 10: term when people don't ask you about your politics when
• 41:14
  Speaker 10: they're trying to hire you for a film. They just
• 41:16
  Speaker 10: look at you and look at your talent and say,
• 41:18
  Speaker 10: maybe are they the right person or the wrong person?
• 41:20
  Speaker 10: Or I'll create it myself, my friend.
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: You know who you remind me of? A very good
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: friend of mine, Kevin Sorbo. And he's very much politically
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: like you and does his own movies. Can't get movies
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: in Hollywood anymore, but he makes his own and he's
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: doing very well. Their movies are doing fantastic. They're mostly
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: Christian themed.
• 41:36
  Speaker 10: Kevin and his.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: Wife, Sam, really good friends of mine. And he's a
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: regular guest on my show, just as you are. So, uh, Kevin,
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: do you know Kevin?
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: Are you friends?
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: So one of the films I just finished was called
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: Holy One.
• 41:47
  Speaker 10: It's about a guy who was going down the wrong path,
• 41:49
  Speaker 10: completely gambling, drinking, womanizing. And then he has to he
• 41:53
  Speaker 10: tries to kill himself in sort of it's a wonderful
• 41:55
  Speaker 10: life kind of a way.
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: And then he gets a.
• 41:58
  Speaker 10: Little help and becomes this guy who's quoting scripture and
• 42:01
  Speaker 10: playing golf. And Kevin Sorbo stars in it. And Sam Sorbo,
• 42:04
  Speaker 10: she plays his wife in it. And it's a beautiful,
• 42:07
  Speaker 10: fun film called Holy One that I'll be finishing probably
• 42:10
  Speaker 10: in the next 30 days.
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 42:12
  Speaker 6: So you guys are friends now.
• 42:13
  Speaker 10: Very good.
• 42:14
  Speaker 6: You guys are friends now.
• 42:16
  Speaker 8: Oh, yeah.
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: We have been forever.
• 42:17
  Speaker 10: In fact, when we came out of Superman, there was
• 42:19
  Speaker 10: two of us left. The final two people, myself and
• 42:21
  Speaker 10: Kevin Sorbo. So I went on to play Superman. He
• 42:24
  Speaker 10: went off to play Hercules.
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: Hercules, right.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: Hercules and Superman. I love it.
• 42:29
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: I will see you tomorrow at Freedom Fest. You're my
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: star witness. Remind me when I see you because my
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: birthday is coming up and I got a big party.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: And guess who sent a letter to be read out
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: loud to the crowd at my party yesterday? President Donald J.
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: Trump.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: It's the most beautiful letter. Remind me to show you
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: the letter. You're going to get a kick out of it.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: And he hand wrote some of it at the bottom.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: He is just an unbelievable guy. And I agree with you.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: A plus, A plus. He's doing a great job.
• 42:54
  Speaker 10: Thank you, Kevin.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Kevin. See, Kevin Sorbo's on my mind now.
• 42:57
  Speaker 10: Thank you, Dean.
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Dean Cain. Superman, I'll see you tomorrow at
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: the trial at Freedom Fest.
• 43:03
  Speaker 10: Thank you, Wayne. God bless.
• 43:05
  Speaker 8: See you tomorrow. Bye-bye.
• 43:06
  Speaker 10: God bless. All right.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: One more segment to go.
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: We'll be right back.
• 43:12
  Speaker 10: Thank you.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: All right, way down the road, Dan Montano is with me.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: He's the CEO of Zichogenesis Medicine, a biotech company developing
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: medicines to treat Parkinson's, type 2 diabetes, and even heart disease.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: And now Zicha has a new breakthrough, exciting to potentially
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: reverse chronic pain. Dan, tell us about your breakthrough that
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: could lessen or eliminate the pain for people suffering from neuropathy,
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: back pain, or migraine headaches.
• 43:42
  Speaker 9: Very simple. As we've been dosing people for those other indications,
• 43:46
  Speaker 9: they keep reporting to us the pain in their feet
• 43:48
  Speaker 9: is gone. The pain in their back is gone. Their
• 43:50
  Speaker 9: migraines have stopped. So as we started digging into it
• 43:54
  Speaker 9: more over the last couple of months, we've discovered that
• 43:56
  Speaker 9: nerve regeneration is something our molecule can treat. And we're
• 44:00
  Speaker 9: starting to see people that we dose on Monday and Thursday,
• 44:04
  Speaker 9: their back pain's gone. Their migraines have stopped. So we're
• 44:07
  Speaker 9: now taking that to a medical research study here in
• 44:09
  Speaker 9: Las Vegas.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: A big one for me would be neuropathy foot pain,
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: because I have several friends who have lived wonderful lives, successful,
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: they're CEOs, and they could barely walk anymore because of neuropathy.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: What have you done for that?
• 44:23
  Speaker 9: Well, the people we've dosed for their diabetes have reported
• 44:26
  Speaker 9: after a week or two that they don't have the
• 44:28
  Speaker 9: pain anymore. So we're going to run with that and
• 44:31
  Speaker 9: find out how much of that is true and how
• 44:33
  Speaker 9: much of that we can repeat.
• 44:35
  Speaker 10: Amazing.
• 44:36
  Speaker 6: What are your next steps?
• 44:37
  Speaker 9: Well, we're going to be getting a clearance here in
• 44:39
  Speaker 9: Las Vegas to do a medical research study. We'll be
• 44:42
  Speaker 9: doing it primarily for back pain, neuropathy, and headaches, migraine
• 44:46
  Speaker 9: headaches primarily. We'll have that approval probably in 30 to
• 44:49
  Speaker 9: 60 days. And start dosing people here in Vegas.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: And you're looking for test patients and investors, correct?
• 44:58
  Speaker 9: Same as with the type 2 diabetes. As you know, Wayne,
• 45:01
  Speaker 9: you guys generate a lot of subjects for us to test.
• 45:05
  Speaker 9: and you also produce a lot of investors for it.
• 45:07
  Speaker 9: So we're looking for the same. Chronic back pain is everywhere.
• 45:10
  Speaker 9: People have got it, it's serious, and we've been able
• 45:13
  Speaker 9: to alleviate it.
• 45:14
  Speaker 10: I'm excited.
• 45:14
  Speaker 9: This could be the biggest thing around.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: Dan, why is your approach to treating pain different?
• 45:21
  Speaker 9: Well, first of all, we don't treat the, we don't treat,
• 45:24
  Speaker 9: we don't camouflage the pain. We treat the nerve that
• 45:27
  Speaker 9: is sick. We heal the nerves. With this white paper,
• 45:30
  Speaker 9: which is on the website, cure war.com is phenomenal everybody
• 45:36
  Speaker 9: should be downloading that and reading this like a science
• 45:38
  Speaker 9: fiction novel on how your nerves regenerate that's how we
• 45:42
  Speaker 9: do it.
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: On the nerves dan montano is the ceo of zcha
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: genesis medicine the website cure-war.com looking for test subjects and
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: investors cure-war.com All right.
• 46:36
  Speaker 7: Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. It's the war zone.
• 46:38
  Speaker 8: And of course, you can watch on the Gateway Pundit,
• 46:41
  Speaker 8: Wayne's Rumble, Wayne's X, Get a Root for America, all
• 46:43
  Speaker 8: those great places. I think Wayne will be back on
• 46:46
  Speaker 8: maybe Thursday, I think, Thursday or Friday. I know the
• 46:49
  Speaker 8: one thing I do know that Wayne, Wayne, Wayne, Wayne,
• 46:53
  Speaker 8: this is going to be fun. Freedom Fest, the World's
• 46:55
  Speaker 8: Fair of Liberty, is coming fast, July 8th.
• 46:59
  Speaker 7: It's here, man. What's today? It's tomorrow, right? Oh, well,
• 47:03
  Speaker 7: that's where Wayne's going to be tomorrow. The World's Fair
• 47:06
  Speaker 7: of Liberty. So you've got to go to this.
• 47:08
  Speaker 8: The most popular event at Freedom Fest every year is
• 47:11
  Speaker 8: the mock trial in this year's Ice itself will be
• 47:14
  Speaker 8: put on trial, and Wayne Allen Root will be the
• 47:17
  Speaker 8: defense attorney for Ice. Star witness for the defense will
• 47:20
  Speaker 8: be that Superman actor Dean Cain and veteran Border Patrol
• 47:24
  Speaker 8: agent J.J.
• 47:25
  Speaker 6: Carell.
• 47:25
  Speaker 7: Twelve jurors will be selected from the audience, and.
• 47:28
  Speaker 8: As I've been telling you, you could be one of them.
• 47:30
  Speaker 8: That'd be kind of cool, get up there on stage.
• 47:32
  Speaker 8: It'll take place Friday, oh, Friday, July 10th, 5 o'clock.
• 47:35
  Speaker 8: So Wayne has arranged for a special one-day pass for
• 47:38
  Speaker 8: his fans to attend Freedom Fest that day to watch
• 47:42
  Speaker 8: the mock trial And War fans, they get $ 50.
• 47:46
  Speaker 7: Off registration free. Get your tickets right now.
• 47:48
  Speaker 8: Go to freedomfest.com and use the promo code WAR50 for
• 47:53
  Speaker 8: a $ 50 sort of credit off of the price, which
• 47:56
  Speaker 8: is great. This is Friday, this Friday, July 10th, a
• 47:59
  Speaker 8: special one-day ticket to watch Wayne defend Ice in a
• 48:03
  Speaker 8: mock trial. Go to freedomfest.com, promo code WAR50.
• 48:06
  Speaker 7: And get $ 50 off. I don't know how Wayne does it, man.
• 48:10
  Speaker 6: I'm serious.
• 48:10
  Speaker 8: He's all over the place. He's 1,000 miles an hour.
• 48:13
  Speaker 8: I had to take a nap today.
• 48:14
  Speaker 7: I took a nap. I'm a grown man. Napped. I
• 48:17
  Speaker 7: didn't really get a good nap, though.
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: It was only 20 minutes.
• 48:20
  Speaker 7: But I needed it.
• 48:21
  Speaker 8: But this guy, I mean, he's doing 15 shows. He
• 48:24
  Speaker 8: is running around like a lunatic. And now he's defending ice,
• 48:29
  Speaker 8: which I think would be a lot of fun. I
• 48:30
  Speaker 8: kind of would like to. I wish I could have
• 48:32
  Speaker 8: gone to that. It seems like that would be a
• 48:34
  Speaker 8: lot of fun to check that out.
• 48:36
  Speaker 9: Oh, okay.
• 48:37
  Speaker 8: All right, so one of our favorite people in the
• 48:39
  Speaker 8: entire world to talk to, and hopefully we can keep
• 48:42
  Speaker 8: him a little bit, and that's Michael Harrison from Talkers.
• 48:45
  Speaker 7: And, you know, Michael has.
• 48:47
  Speaker 8: Been doing this amazing, I think it's a gift to
• 48:52
  Speaker 8: media personalities, in particular talk media personalities, I think since the, well.
• 48:58
  Speaker 7: The 80s. Mike, is it the 80s you've had this
• 49:00
  Speaker 7: magazine that long, right?
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: Almost the 80s. We launched it in July of 1990.
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: So it's 36 years old. Amazing.
• 49:10
  Speaker 7: It is amazing.
• 49:11
  Speaker 8: And it is the Bible, if you will, for talk radio.
• 49:14
  Speaker 8: And I thank you for coming on. I know you're
• 49:16
  Speaker 8: super busy and you've probably got a million people tugging
• 49:19
  Speaker 8: at you all the time.
• 49:20
  Speaker 7: But I wanted to.
• 49:21
  Speaker 8: Talk to you about a few things. We'll start with
• 49:24
  Speaker 8: the media and then we'll, if you don't mind, morph
• 49:26
  Speaker 8: into the world of politics. But you coined the term
• 49:29
  Speaker 8: media station back in the 90s. How accurately did the
• 49:34
  Speaker 8: vision predict where.
• 49:35
  Speaker 7: Radio is today?
• 49:36
  Speaker 8: Because radio is a part now of this giant mechanism
• 49:41
  Speaker 8: of the media, right? You can't do a radio show
• 49:43
  Speaker 8: really anymore without having a video component, right?
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and also you have to be able to write.
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: You have to put out some type of a text component.
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: You have to be able to post pictures, you know, graphics.
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: There's no isolated media the way there was back in
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: the 20th century when a newspaper was a newsprint and
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: that was it. And the local television station did the news.
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: And they presented news programs on a video screen, which
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: was your TV set. And radios came out of a
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: radio device and appliance or a radio set. We used
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: to use the word set a lot. And if you
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: went to the movies, you would get to see something
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: that you couldn't really see on TV that easily unless
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: it was around for a couple of years. And then
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: it would be the ABC movie of the week. And
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: it was some old movie that you saw years ago.
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: But now it's on television. It was all separate. And
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: here— As we begin, I believe, the second quarter of
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: the 21st century, do you believe how far in the
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: future we are? My goodness. Everything blends into everything else.
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: So I consider any outlet, if you're primarily a news organization,
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: if you're primarily a film company or primarily a television
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: station— or primarily a radio station or a radio show
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: or a podcast or whatever you are. You are a
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: media station, because you're only limiting yourself to that one dimension,
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: which is a throwback to the 20th century, by calling yourself,
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: we're a radio station or we're a news organization or newspaper.
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: The newspaper could be doing the evening news on video.
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: The radio station could be putting out a news service.
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: There's no balance. natural boundary anymore between these platforms. And
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: that's what I meant by the emergence of the media station.
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: It's kind of a mentality at this point of just
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: which direction and what venues you want to pursue as
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: a media person or a media company.
• 51:43
  Speaker 8: If you were a media company and you were buying
• 51:47
  Speaker 8: or creating a media outlet, let's say you had radio aspirations.
• 51:52
  Speaker 7: I mean, you would have to build.
• 51:54
  Speaker 8: almost a set now, even if you had, you know,
• 51:57
  Speaker 8: even like an ABC in New York or even some
• 52:00
  Speaker 8: of the smaller stations across the country, if you were
• 52:02
  Speaker 8: just starting out, if I were doing it, I would build.
• 52:05
  Speaker 8: I would build a set almost so that my talk
• 52:10
  Speaker 8: show host could, with a flip of a switch, could
• 52:12
  Speaker 8: go on all of these platforms and make.
• 52:15
  Speaker 7: It a lot easier.
• 52:15
  Speaker 8: Because I tell you, it could get a little complicated
• 52:18
  Speaker 8: trying to upload all this stuff. And, you know, you're
• 52:21
  Speaker 8: working on a million different media platforms, whether it's X
• 52:24
  Speaker 8: or Instagram or Getter or whatever.
• 52:27
  Speaker 7: And I don't know.
• 52:29
  Speaker 8: I'm of the old, I guess, cloth, Michael, is that
• 52:32
  Speaker 8: it's not that it's too much, but I enjoyed the
• 52:35
  Speaker 8: appointment listening. I liked it when the radio station was
• 52:39
  Speaker 8: the only outlet for it. I know those days are
• 52:41
  Speaker 8: long gone, but maybe I'm a dinosaur, but I don't know.
• 52:44
  Speaker 7: What do you think? Is that part of this equation now?
• 52:47
  Speaker 7: You have to be all-encompassing, right?
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: I don't think you have to be anything. I think
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: you could be what you want to be as long
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: as you're really good at it. And in ratio to
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: how good you are at it will be determining how
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: successful you are at it. So if you're just mediocre
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: and not that great, well, yeah, be everywhere so more
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: people might– You know, who happen to like what you
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: do will check you out. But if you're really, really good,
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: people will seek that special or here's a word, the specificity.
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: I wasn't sure I'd be able to say it. The
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: specificity of your platform. What do you mean, Lee? What
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: do you mean when you say build a set? What
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: do you what do you have in mind when you're
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: talking about those terms to build a.
• 53:31
  Speaker 8: I appreciate you asking me that. So our engineer was
• 53:34
  Speaker 8: in here the other day, and the owner was in
• 53:36
  Speaker 8: here the other day. And the setup here I have
• 53:38
  Speaker 8: in the studio, we've got all the modern stuff, but
• 53:41
  Speaker 8: it's really not conducive to the video angle of.
• 53:44
  Speaker 7: It, right?
• 53:44
  Speaker 8: So we were talking about how to build out the best,
• 53:49
  Speaker 8: let's say, format for a camera to be in front,
• 53:52
  Speaker 8: a camera for my guests, the microphone in the right spot,
• 53:55
  Speaker 8: the backdrop to be in the right spot, all of that.
• 53:58
  Speaker 8: And I think, you know, it doesn't take a tremendous
• 54:00
  Speaker 8: amount of money necessarily to do it, but.
• 54:02
  Speaker 7: I think you have to think it out and plan
• 54:04
  Speaker 7: it out.
• 54:04
  Speaker 8: Where, you know, the old days, it was a radio studio.
• 54:07
  Speaker 8: It was, you know, you were behind a microphone, behind
• 54:10
  Speaker 8: a console, and that was it. But You know, it's
• 54:12
  Speaker 8: got I think it's just got to be a little different.
• 54:14
  Speaker 8: If I were starting a media outlet and a radio station,
• 54:17
  Speaker 8: that's how I would do it, because you've got to
• 54:19
  Speaker 8: you've got to hit all the avenues. I know you
• 54:21
  Speaker 8: say if you've got talent, you don't necessarily have to.
• 54:23
  Speaker 8: And I think you're right. But I mean, people in particular,
• 54:27
  Speaker 8: younger people are searching it out on all of these
• 54:29
  Speaker 8: different Internet platforms.
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: That's true. And I'm thinking, as you're saying that, that
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: we're at a time now where. You don't have to
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: build a set. You don't have to like I'm in
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: a real studio here. I have a picture over there.
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: Left and right gets crazy when you see screens of Rembrandt,
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: one of my favorite artists. We have the talkers logo.
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: We have some keyboards we have over on under Rembrandt.
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: You may see a couple of headphones and stuff. I
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: don't know how much is on your screen. But to
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: behind me in that direction is a classic poster from
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: the Fillmore East poster. back in the days of album rock.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: And we changed things around a lot. But those are
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: real things. I'm in a real physical place. But if
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: you're really up to speed with the technology today, you
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: don't have to have that. I could just have a
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: blue screen behind me. That's true. And with AI and with...
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: computer-generated graphics. I could be on water skis. I could
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: be being chased by dinosaurs. Any possible thing you could imagine.
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: I think that we went through the paradigm shift, Lee,
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: back during COVID, when suddenly everybody was broadcasting from their homes.
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: And this This was even happening in places like CNN
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: and Fox.
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: They would never let.
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: Anybody go on a cell phone, an iPhone, from their home.
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: They'd send a limousine to you and drive through a
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: blizzard for six minutes on screen in those days. But
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: then when COVID came, people started broadcasting from home. So
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: what did most of them do? Because I was tracking
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: all of this. I saw this as a major paradigm shift.
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: Most of them would find their bookshelf and you still
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: see it today and people will sit in front of
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: their bookcase. It makes you look like your studio, like
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: like like a law office where they have the legal library.
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: None of them use it anymore. It's there for show.
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: Am I right?
• 56:26
  Speaker 7: No, you're right. You're 100 percent right.
• 56:28
  Speaker 8: You would think like 80 percent of the backdrops that
• 56:31
  Speaker 8: you see.
• 56:32
  Speaker 7: Are books that people never read, right? So that's probably
• 56:34
  Speaker 7: the case.
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: One of the hobbies now is people checking out, let's
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: see what books he's reading.
• 56:40
  Speaker 8: No, I guess for my statement was born from the
• 56:45
  Speaker 8: fact that the studio that I'm in right now is
• 56:48
  Speaker 8: an old-fashioned radio studio that we're trying to retrofit to
• 56:52
  Speaker 8: add the video component. And there's just not enough space
• 56:55
  Speaker 8: for certain things. So I would think that if I
• 56:57
  Speaker 8: were starting from scratch, I would make it so that
• 57:01
  Speaker 8: it is.
• 57:02
  Speaker 7: You know, it is an easy to use kind of
• 57:04
  Speaker 7: a situation.
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: So that American flag is real flag flying outside your window?
• 57:10
  Speaker 7: It's a beautiful day behind me, Michael.
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: What do you mean you're in a regular radio studio?
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: It's beautiful.
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: Where did that flag come from?
• 57:19
  Speaker 7: Michael Harrison, talkers.
• 57:20
  Speaker 8: Whenever I get a chance to track him down and talk,
• 57:23
  Speaker 8: I love it because I am, you know, I'm an
• 57:25
  Speaker 8: old school radio junkie.
• 57:27
  Speaker 7: I just got into my veins when I was in
• 57:29
  Speaker 7: my mid-20s.
• 57:31
  Speaker 8: And here I am all these years later still wanting
• 57:33
  Speaker 8: to talk about it, still loving to talk about it
• 57:34
  Speaker 8: with somebody as influential and entertaining and smart as Michael Harrison.
• 57:40
  Speaker 7: I'll ask you one more media. Can you stick around
• 57:42
  Speaker 7: for a second break?
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: I can stick around, but I do want to. Well,
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: go ahead. Ask me the question.
• 57:47
  Speaker 7: No, go ahead. What would you have?
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, when you talk about being an old
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: school radio guy, you're touching upon the very issue that
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: radio is facing, the challenge it faces here at this point.
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: I call it in the future because we're sort of like.
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: immigrants from the 20th century. We all are. Most of
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: the people listening to this broadcast or viewing this broadcast
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: are people who came on this planet before the year 2000. Statistically,
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: that's true, or shortly thereafter. And radio faces the challenge
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: of maintaining its aesthetic, maintaining its magic, its specialness, which
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: is born of being on a radio station, a transmitter, live... local,
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: and spontaneous. All of that is what makes radio great.
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: The challenge is to maintain that aesthetic— we' ll call it an
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: aesthetic— here in the 21st century, when we have podcasting and
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: we have online broadcasting and we have screens as well
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: as the theater of the mind, and to do it
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: effectively so as not to fall behind, but in the
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: same process not to lose the that magic and not
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: become just another utilitarian source of records or source of,
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: you know, one talk show after another that have no
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: connection to each other and are not in real time.
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: So that's the real issue that we face in this
• 59:13
  Speaker 4: industry at this time. That is the challenge. to maintain
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: the magic of the 20th century, but the purpose and
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: the technology of the 21st century in radio particularly.
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: I agree.
• 59:25
  Speaker 8: But there was a romantic romanticness about radio that unfortunately
• 59:33
  Speaker 8: when video came in, it killed a certain aspect of
• 59:37
  Speaker 8: that romanticism because you didn't know what the guy looked
• 59:41
  Speaker 8: like who was talking to you. You didn't know what the,
• 59:43
  Speaker 8: Female DJ on the rock station looked like you might
• 59:46
  Speaker 8: get a glimpse of her at a remote if you
• 59:48
  Speaker 8: decided to go to that event or what have you.
• 59:51
  Speaker 8: But for the most part, it was all theater of
• 59:53
  Speaker 8: the mind. And I think that's what made radios of
• 59:57
  Speaker 8: super special, super intimate and very personable.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 7: I'm not saying that it's better or worse than than
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 7: it is now. I just think it's it's different.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: That mystery was a big deal. I know when I
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: was a kid and the local DJ would come to
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: the sock hop at the gymnasium. Most of the kids
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: were very disappointed when they saw that the guy was
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: a nerd as opposed to the cool, cool cat they
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: heard on the air. You know, hey, baby, welcome to
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: the cool cat show. And a cool cat shows up
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: and he's some goofball.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 7: Usually in need of a shower, too, right?
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: You know the joke, you have a face for radio.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: It comes from that. Yeah, they're the mystery. But now
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: it's not a mystery. Everybody knows what everybody looks like.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: Everybody has a show. The audience has an audience. That's
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: a part of the thing that for people who have
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: been through the years of being in broadcasting, this era
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: is remarkable in as much as the audience has an audience.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: And the whole interchangeable way in which it goes, the
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 4: two-way street that media has become, plays a role in
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 4: how it is ultimately perceived.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 7: And one other thing.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 8: I mean, I know there was a time in radio
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 8: where the size of the stick— That's a radio lingo.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 8: I'm not making any pornographic scenario. They're radio stick size.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 8: That meant everything, right?
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 7: I mean, you're a 50,000-watt flamethrower. That's the whole thing.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 8: But now, literally, with the internet, you can carry a
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 8: station from, if I'm living in Connecticut, from Seattle, if
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 8: you like it, you can listen to it.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 4: There are no small sticks in this world. I mean,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: you can go on the smallest website of the smallest
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: podcast and ruin your life in one slip of the tongue.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: Nothing is hidden from potentially being distributed everywhere in the world.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 4: That's a whole different paradigm as well. Think about it.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: Because it used to be, for the folks at home
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: who don't know what stick is, stick is a term
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: from the 20th century in broadcasting. to indicate the standard
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: radio station, the tower, the transmitter, the studio, and the license.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 4: And the tower gave rise to the word stick. So
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: if somebody's telling somebody else in the business, I got
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: a job on a really big stick.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: Oh, wow.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: What stick are you on? I'm on WABC. And we
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: still sometimes call it a stick. It's a dying phrase,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: but it's still— it' s a good phrase. I love the phrase.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 10: Stick.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: In fact, I wrote an article once called The Stick
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: and the Schtick. And the relationship between form and content,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: the radio station— as well as the programming. The programming
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 4: is the shtick, the technology, and the might of the
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: radio station, the stick. So you're talking my language, kid.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 7: Michael Harrison is with us, talkers.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 8: So, Michael, we've got to take a quick break here
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  Speaker 8: in a second, but I know you do a regular podcast,
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  Speaker 4: People can go to YouTube, and the show is called
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  Speaker 8: I got to admit, I was a little intimidated that day.
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  Speaker 8: All the heavies in the talker industry was in that room.
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  Speaker 8: And I was, uh-oh.
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  Speaker 4: You sell yourself short, my friend. You're a heavy, too.
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  Speaker 8: Well, listen, I appreciate that. Let me take a quick break.
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  Speaker 8: We've got Michael Harrison from Talkers. I'm going to hold
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  Speaker 8: want to ask you, Michael, about 250 America's birthday just
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  Speaker 8: came and, and when it was a great celebration, but,
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  Speaker 8: you know, I've been talking about this a lot and
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  Speaker 8: I get your opinion on this. So one of my
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  Speaker 8: favorite lines from the declaration is we pledge our, our lives,
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  Speaker 8: our fortune and our sacred honor.
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  Speaker 7: To this experiment, right?
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  Speaker 8: I mean, they didn't say it like that, but not
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  Speaker 8: to this experiment, but that's what they pledged. They pledged
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  Speaker 8: their lives, their fortune, their sacred honor. Many of them
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  Speaker 8: died broke. Many of them, you know, died with nothing.
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  Speaker 8: Many of them were killed by their enemies. And, but
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  Speaker 8: the thing that they all had was they had a
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  Speaker 8: sacred honor. And, you know, I feel like what, what's
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  Speaker 8: wrong with this country right now is born out of
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  Speaker 8: the idea that we have politicians who do not adhere
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  Speaker 8: to the sacred honor part of that. They, They don't
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  Speaker 8: put the country first. These men, they put the country first.
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  Speaker 7: They did. I mean, you know, they had their warts,
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  Speaker 7: but they believed in this experiment.
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  Speaker 8: They believed that these ragtag bunch of revolutionaries was going
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  Speaker 8: to beat the great, maybe, I don't know if they
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  Speaker 8: believed it, but they wanted to believe that they were
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  Speaker 8: going to beat the greatest military might on earth.
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  Speaker 7: And they did. And I think it's remarkable. I just
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 7: wanted to get your thoughts on that.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think you put it very well. You had
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  Speaker 4: said they eventually died, but none of them died by
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  Speaker 4: a rope hanging around their neck as a result of
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  Speaker 4: losing the revolution and facing uncertain death at the hands
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 4: of King George. Can you imagine, in today's world, politicians
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  Speaker 4: signing a document at which their life is at stake—
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  Speaker 4: based upon a ragtag amateur army in a country that
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 4: was very divided on whether the war was even popular.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 4: The Revolutionary War was very controversial here in the colonies.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 4: And signing their names to it, that if, in fact,
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  Speaker 4: they didn't win, they would certainly die. You talk about
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: sacred honor, you talk about courage, guts, commitment— and nobility.
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  Speaker 4: I can't think of anybody in this country today that
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  Speaker 4: would do that, certainly people in politics. You know, we
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  Speaker 4: have now men and women in politics. When you said before,
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  Speaker 4: you know, these men, I'm saying, yeah, they were all men, actually.
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  Speaker 4: So— That is a remarkable— and I use the word paradigm,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: I think, twice. I try not to use the same
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  Speaker 4: words too many times in one sitting. But that was
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  Speaker 4: a very different paradigm in terms of ethics and principles.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 4: We tend to think that our interpretation of good and
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 4: evil are quite clear-cut and very, very connected to the
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  Speaker 4: ethics of this period we live in. But there have
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 4: been other periods of time. And certainly, even within the
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 4: relatively short history of America, when you look back at
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 4: the whole course of the human condition, there have been
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  Speaker 4: times in America when people would run off to join
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  Speaker 4: the army because our nation is under attack. They didn't
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 4: talk about how it impacted the stock market or, well,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 4: how much will an egg cost us? It was a
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  Speaker 4: very different psychology of what it was to be free,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 4: what it was to engage in liberty, and what it
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 4: was to be an American. So I did a lot
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 4: of thinking, as I know you did, and many of
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  Speaker 4: our colleagues have, this 250th anniversary of the signing of
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  Speaker 4: the Declaration of Independence, as to what these things really mean. Now,
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  Speaker 4: you touched upon it very well in setting up the question.
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  Speaker 4: So I just say, yeah, it's pretty amazing, isn't it,
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  Speaker 4: how— many options we have as human beings in terms
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  Speaker 4: of building our own personal and collective principles.
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  Speaker 7: I'm glad you brought up running off to war.
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  Speaker 8: So on Friday of last week, on the eve of
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 8: the 4th of July, Thursday midnight into Friday, I did
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 8: 17 hours and 76 continuous minutes of radio. I did
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 8: it for, we went on at midnight and we signed
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  Speaker 8: off at 6.16 p.m. And I brought out a bunch
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 8: of guests, and some of the guests told stories about
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 8: either their grandparents or their dying. They had still people
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 8: in their family still alive, couldn't get to the studio, but.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 7: Still alive that served in World War II.
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  Speaker 8: And as you just so amazingly pointed out, these men,
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  Speaker 8: they lied about how old they were so that.
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  Speaker 7: They could sign up. I mean, think about that. They lied.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. They lied so that they could get in.
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  Speaker 4: Some of them were 15, 16 years old. History is
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  Speaker 4: full of stories like that, where the soldiers on the
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  Speaker 4: battlefield were children. And even if they're 18 or 19, frankly,
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  Speaker 4: they're still children.
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  Speaker 7: I agree.
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  Speaker 4: So, yeah, gosh, you know, Lee, it's so important for
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  Speaker 4: people to have an understanding of history, to really be
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 4: able to engage in intelligent voting, to be able to
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 4: engage in running a complicated entity, a democracy and a republic.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 4: That is the United States of America here in 2026.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 4: I think ignorance and idiocy and downright stupidity are far
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 4: more dangerous than many of the boogeymen that we talk
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 4: about today, no matter whether you're on the left or
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 4: the right, about what's ruining our country. I think the
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 4: biggest danger to our freedom and to our progress and
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: to our standing in the world and to humanity standing
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 4: in the universe is stupidity. Ignorance and agency. That's what
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 4: I think.
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  Speaker 8: But if we could tap in just to a fraction
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  Speaker 8: of what the founders possessed, that idea of putting the
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 8: country first, self last. And that that mindset is what
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 8: birthed this great experiment. And if we even could just
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 8: get a little bit of that, put those folks in
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 8: some places where you could out of just sheer leadership
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 8: and show that that that is a way that can
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 8: change the everything because we talk about now how do
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 8: we change it how do we you know fix the
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 8: ultra poor as compared to the ultra rich and how
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 8: do we talk about the partisanship and the divide and
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 8: the anger and the hatred towards this group and that
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 8: group i think it's it's all born out of the
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 8: fact that people are are self so self-interested now and
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 8: so self-centered in their own in their own advancement that
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 8: they forget in in particular when they get into politics
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 8: they forget why they They're supposed to get into politics.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 8: They're supposed to get into politics to be leaders, civic leaders,
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 8: and make the community a better place.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 4: It's a vicious cycle, the media and the politicians. And
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 4: this happens on both sides. Folks, I try to remain nonpartisan.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 4: I'm very partisan when it comes to supporting the First Amendment.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 4: And that's as far as it goes. I'm all for
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 4: the free marketplace of ideas. But a lot of what
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 4: you're talking about, Lee, comes from the tendency these days
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 4: of politicians and media— the media is supposed to be the
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 4: protector of the people from the politicians and from the
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 4: government— the politicians and the media tend to play specifically to
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 4: the selfish concerns of the population. And that's why they
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 4: tear us apart. That's why people live in echo chambers.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 4: And that's why we have the kind of tension and
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 4: violence that we're experiencing today.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 8: Don't you think some of these big media outlets have
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 8: failed the public grotesquely?
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 7: I do. I think you look at, like you said,
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 7: they cater to their listeners. I get it. There's a
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 7: certain sense of it. You've got to make money. Otherwise,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 7: you can't stay on the air.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 8: But when you're not telling the entire truth and you
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 8: are sort of parsing it out in a way that
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 8: makes your listeners or your viewers happy, I think that's
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 8: a huge disservice. That's not why the media folks signed up.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 7: And, you know.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 8: I do my best never to do that, Michael, but
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 8: I know that there are people out there that do,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 8: and I don't like it.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 4: If making money is the primary criteria for serving the public,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 4: that you only serve the public, whether you're a government,
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 4: whether you're a business, whether you're an individual, based upon
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 4: how good a business it is, then that is a very,
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 4: very terrible rebuke of capitalism and free enterprise. It means
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 4: that they don't work. So I worry about that all
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: the time. Free enterprise and capitalism without social responsibility is
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 4: just as deadly as all these other forms of government
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 4: that we supposedly are so fearful of. We become the
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 4: very thing we're afraid of.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 9: I know.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 8: What would you tell your— let' s say you're advising somebody who's,
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 8: you know, in this business and struggling.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 7: They have to cover politics. Maybe they're a talk show
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 7: host or what.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 8: And you have to try to advise them on how
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 8: not to alienate half their audience.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 7: What would you tell them?
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 4: Well, if I were doing it the way it's being done,
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 4: it's being told you must alienate half your audience. The
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 4: whole game is based on alienating half your audience. There
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 4: was once a time when people didn't, you know, never
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 4: talk politics, religion or sports. I didn't do it in
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 4: the right order. I think it was don't talk politics,
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 4: don't talk sports and don't talk religion. I don't know.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 4: But you get the you get the point. I believe
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 4: that you've got to do business and you've got to
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 4: protect yourself. You've got to create income. You've got to
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 4: be able to face reality. But I think that, as
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 4: I said before, I would advise anybody that being good— that' s
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 4: a nice generalization. Being good is one of the tenets
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 4: of successful business. That if you try to a certain degree,
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 4: to be honest, and you try to a certain degree
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 4: to make your customer, your audience, your target participant better off,
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 4: that actually will make you money.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 10: I agree.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 4: I think people overlook that. I've tried to I tried
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 4: to run my business and businesses with that principle. I
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 4: can't say whether I'm succeeding. I leave it to guys
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 4: like you to tell me. But the fact is, I
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 4: think that doing a good job for the people that
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 4: consume your product is a way to make money.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 7: That's what I agree.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 8: That I think people are desperately thirsty for offense, authenticity, right?
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 8: Somebody who's a genuine and, you know, comes behind a
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 8: microphone every day and tells you what they're thinking and
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 8: what they're feeling. And I think people gravitate towards that.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 8: I think personally, I think those are The most successful folks.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 8: And you had a lot of those up on the stage,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 8: you know, a month or so ago who have created,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 8: you know, a very special place in the world of
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 8: talk media and media in general now because they're authentic.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 7: Right. I think that's true.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 4: But but I do think going back to the conversation
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 4: we had a few minutes ago about the founding fathers
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 4: and the principles of America. And, you know, we hold
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 4: these truths to be self-evident and sacred honor. I do
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 4: believe that the American experiment— another word that you brought up— the
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 4: American experiment is based on the fact that we're not perfect.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 4: We do not claim to be perfect. What we claim
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 4: to do is to strive toward improvement. We claim to
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 4: strive toward, ultimately, like a North Star— perfection. People don't
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 4: get that, and I think that that's something that should
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 4: be driven into everybody's head. No, we're not perfect. We're
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 4: hardly perfect, but we want to be. The arc of
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 4: history hopefully leads, I think Martin Luther King said that,
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 4: to a good place.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 8: Michael Harrison is his name. Talkers magazine is his baby.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 8: He's had it since, as he said, early 90s. And
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 8: he's reshaped the industry in an incredible way. Any general
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 8: thoughts on what we're I know this is a very
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 8: political questions, a basic, boring political question. But, you know,
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 8: any thoughts on what we're going to witness in the
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 8: midterms here?
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 7: We're going to see a flip floppy or what do
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 7: you think's happening?
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 4: I think there's a good chance that we're going to
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 4: see a flip-flop. That's sort of historic anyway. And the
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 4: nature of the combatants, if you will, kind of if
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 4: you step back and don't buy into the bubble of
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 4: whatever side you're on, there's a good chance that there'll
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 4: be a flip-flop. But then again, you never know. I
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 4: think it's going to be very interesting, exciting, and it's
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 4: going to be very meaningful.
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  Speaker 8: I got three more ships were attacked today. And, you know,
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  Speaker 8: Trump's hate to say it, but it feels like we're
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  Speaker 8: in a weird quagmire.
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  Speaker 7: And I don't know.
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  Speaker 8: You know, we had at least a couple of days
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  Speaker 8: where things looked great. And now all of a sudden
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  Speaker 8: things don't look so great. And, you know, I don't
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  Speaker 8: know what his next move is going to be.
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  Speaker 4: I hope he has an idea of what his next
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  Speaker 4: move is going to be.
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  Speaker 7: That would be nice, wouldn't it?
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  Speaker 4: That would be very reassuring.
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  Speaker 8: All right. Michael Harrison, Talkers, I thank you for sticking
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  Speaker 8: around a little extra.
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  Speaker 7: I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 8: I could talk to you about the business all day long.
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  Speaker 8: But one more time, if you don't mind, just tell
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  Speaker 8: everybody where to find all the things that you do
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  Speaker 8: because you do such great work.
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  Speaker 7: Where do they go?
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  Speaker 4: Check out Talkers.com. It's free. It's basically an industry trade publication.
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  Speaker 4: But I think the people consuming this broadcast are interested
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 4: in it enough to see what's going on behind the scenes. Talkers.com.
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  Speaker 7: I appreciate you, brother. I really do.
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  Speaker 8: I thank you very much, and we'll talk again very,
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  Speaker 8: very soon. Michael Harrison from Talkers.
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  Speaker 7: So here's the deal.
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  Speaker 8: I'll be back again tomorrow night for Wayne Allen Root.
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  Speaker 8: One more day, then he's back in action, I guess.
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  Speaker 8: He must be out in Vegas.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know where he is right now.
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  Speaker 8: But the Gateway Pundit, you can watch there. Wayne's Rumble,
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  Speaker 8: Wayne's X Getter, and Root for America. I want to
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  Speaker 8: thank the boys from Minnesota. Without them, you'd get nothing
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  Speaker 8: but static.
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  Speaker 7: It would be like maybe that. That's all you'd get.
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  Speaker 7: That might be better sometimes than me. Static is slightly.
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  Speaker 8: I think if you ranked static, it's like two levels
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  Speaker 8: on the top ten above me. I'm seven and static
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  Speaker 8: is five. Anyway, enjoy the rest of your day slash
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  Speaker 8: night wherever you might be listening and watching us. I'll
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 8: be back tomorrow for Wayne Allen Root. The show is
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 8: called The War Zone.
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  Speaker 7: See you.