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  Speaker 1: Podcast check it out. But Joe Logan Experience, Train My Day,
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  Speaker 1: Joe Rogan podcast, by Night, All Day. Hey, Mike Maxwell,
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  Speaker 1: Rogan Man, good to see you. It's good to be here.
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  Speaker 1: For anybody doesn't know, Mike Maxwell is an amazing artist
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  Speaker 1: and did not just that painting with Quentin Tarantino in
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  Speaker 1: front of it, which is pretty fucking cool, but also
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  Speaker 1: the j Are logo.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then yeah that was funny.
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  Speaker 1: How many years ago was that, like fifteen years ago? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it has to be.
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  Speaker 2: I think you were like on episode ten maybe.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah and super fucking random too, Like I get the
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  Speaker 2: question all the time, like how the fuck did you
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  Speaker 2: do that? You know, And for me, like my whole
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  Speaker 2: like art experience has just been like make the work
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  Speaker 2: and whatever the fuck happens afterwards is just all bonus.
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  Speaker 1: You know. Well, if the work is great, that works,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's like yeah, yeah, I got it. Have
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  Speaker 1: to be discovered, someone has to find you. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: ultimately it's about.
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  Speaker 2: Talent, yeah, and you know hard work too, yes, yes, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean because that talent really doesn't like artists so
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  Speaker 2: often or like people are like ah, I like I
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  Speaker 2: wish I could draw like you're so lucky, like god
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  Speaker 2: given talent. I'm like, bitch, I had to fucking work
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  Speaker 2: every day and have been grinding at this for twenty
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  Speaker 2: five twenty six years.
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  Speaker 1: There's no god given talent with art. There's some people
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  Speaker 1: have an openness or maybe an ability to see things
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  Speaker 1: differently than others. But when it comes to the actual
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  Speaker 1: technique and developing that fine hand eye coordination and the
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  Speaker 1: ability to draw exact or paint exactly what you're looking for, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's work. That's work.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and nothing came easy. Like I feel like there's
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  Speaker 2: some artists and like some creative people who they have
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  Speaker 2: some like inert talent that's in there somewhere, or it's
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  Speaker 2: like we have the right brain chemistry to like get started.
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  Speaker 2: But like I'm still improving twenty five twenty six years in,
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  Speaker 2: I'm still recognizing improvements.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I thought that that particular one that we just
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  Speaker 1: posted a picture of that was like one of your
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  Speaker 1: best ones. That is fucking amazing.
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  Speaker 2: Like I probably put more time and effort into that
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  Speaker 2: piece than anything i'd made previously.
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  Speaker 1: Look at that thing that is so sick, that is
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  Speaker 1: so sick, and it's like that is this show.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, And what's funny, Like that piece was really
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  Speaker 2: like all the components were just separate drawings that I
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  Speaker 2: had been like compiling. Oh wow, and then it like
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  Speaker 2: eventually just kind of formed itself. Like sometimes I just
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  Speaker 2: let the work do do what it needs to do.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes it's almost like I feel disconnected from it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and I had like there gets to a point after
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  Speaker 2: like all the like prep work, where it's like the
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  Speaker 2: painting starts to pay itself, like it tells me what
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  Speaker 2: it wants.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very strange, Like.
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  Speaker 2: There'll be a moment where it's like I could feel
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  Speaker 2: something's not right, and then like I can't consciously think
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  Speaker 2: of Okay, well I need to do A B and C.
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  Speaker 2: But it's kind of like I sit and wait and
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  Speaker 2: something tells me.
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  Speaker 1: It's so crazy that you say it that way, because
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  Speaker 1: so many people, including authors in particular, they talk about
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  Speaker 1: the exact same kind of process. It's like something just
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  Speaker 1: comes to you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I've I've done a little bit of writing,
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  Speaker 2: and I've recognized that in writing too, where like I'm
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  Speaker 2: telling a story and then all of a sudden, it's
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  Speaker 2: like the characters come to life and they start to
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  Speaker 2: dictate what's actually going to happen, Like it writes itself eventually,
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  Speaker 2: but you have to do all that beginning work, like
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  Speaker 2: the prep work, Like you have to get the idea going,
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  Speaker 2: and then once you're a certain like path in like
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  Speaker 2: it starts to it starts to communicate with you.
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  Speaker 1: I always wondered why that's Maybe that's why Stephen King
• 4:02
  Speaker 1: wrote his best work when he was coked up and
• 4:04
  Speaker 1: drunk because he was out of his head. Yeah, I help,
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  Speaker 1: he could get away from his own head.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I know that sounds ridiculous, especially to sober people, but
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  Speaker 1: don't you know what I mean, Like they don't want
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  Speaker 1: to admit that there's there's that's there's a net positive
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  Speaker 1: effect of some people with drugs and writing. Hunter S.
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  Speaker 1: Thompson is a giant example. Yeah, he's one of my
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  Speaker 1: favorite authors, and it's a giant example. The guy was
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  Speaker 1: an inveterate drug user. Yeah, he was a fucking complete maniac.
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  Speaker 1: He was always drunk and he wrote some shit that
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  Speaker 1: just to this day cuts to the core of our society. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like he was.
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  Speaker 2: He's one of my all time heroes. Like I started
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  Speaker 2: reading him when I was in high school. I've read
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  Speaker 2: almost everything. I think I even liked the Hey Rube stuff. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: like a lot of people are like like he was
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  Speaker 2: in his decline, but I remember when that was coming
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  Speaker 2: at like pretty early internet, right, like no social media,
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  Speaker 2: but those little articles would pop up, and I still
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  Speaker 2: enjoyed it, like I love everything that he made.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he at the end was gone, he was really gone.
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  Speaker 1: And McCumber so, David McCumber, who is his editor, who
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  Speaker 1: also co wrote a book with my friend Tony Andegoni
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  Speaker 1: that's one of the great pool books. It's called Playing
• 5:21
  Speaker 1: Off the Rail. It's a really and for anybody who's
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  Speaker 1: a fan of pool the game. It's an amazing book
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  Speaker 1: about a guy whose name is Tony Anegoni, who was
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  Speaker 1: a world class player who went on the road with
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  Speaker 1: a journalist and just gambled across the country and did
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  Speaker 1: it like a real pool hustler would, in the most dangerous,
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  Speaker 1: dingiest places, playing against high level guys for you know,
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  Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars sets in twenty four hour joints in
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  Speaker 1: New York City. It's an amazing book. Well, McCumber was
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  Speaker 1: Hunter's editor too at one point in time, and McCumber
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  Speaker 1: got him towards the end, like there's video of seeming
• 6:02
  Speaker 1: to find video of Hunter Thompson and David McCumber having
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  Speaker 1: a conversation because must have been a nightmare. Nightmare never
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  Speaker 1: never got his stuff in on time. He famously would
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  Speaker 1: destroyed the fax machine because he did because he was
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  Speaker 1: supposed to fax his pages to Rolling Stone.
• 6:21
  Speaker 2: MAXs love that video when he's in the Rolling Stones
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  Speaker 2: office and uh Yan Winter is like like, looks like
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  Speaker 2: the whole building's gonna fucking burn down.
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  Speaker 1: Just panic, I mean, just try to imagine controlling a
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  Speaker 1: guy like that. You can't and he can't control himself.
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  Speaker 1: But out of that sometimes something that no one else's
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  Speaker 1: capable writing comes through, and it was much less so
• 6:44
  Speaker 1: at the end, and it got away from him at
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  Speaker 1: the end, which it's going to do that cocaine and alcohol,
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  Speaker 1: you're not gonna that's.
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  Speaker 2: Unsustainable at that level for that long.
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  Speaker 1: It's not sustainable. Everybody I know that has done a
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  Speaker 1: lot of coke at the end, they're a mess. It's
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  Speaker 1: neurological conditions, all sorts of weird. It happens yea fry
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  Speaker 1: and these guys were fry.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's like it's the deficiency afterwards. Right, so you've
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  Speaker 2: used up all the available dopamine that you have in
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  Speaker 2: your brain, and it's just like, well, fuck it.
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  Speaker 1: I had a friend who was a crack addict who
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  Speaker 1: was also friends with my friend who ran a pool
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  Speaker 1: haul but also was involved in recovery and was involved
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  Speaker 1: in helping people with recovery. He was so he was
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  Speaker 1: after the fact, well he was helping people that were
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  Speaker 1: getting sober, and he wasn't trying to help my friend Johnny.
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  Speaker 1: My friend john didn't want to help, was like, fuck
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  Speaker 1: your help. I'm smoking crack. And he was explaining to
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  Speaker 1: me the whole dopamine thing, the dopamine and serotonin receptors
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  Speaker 1: just get cooked and then you're so depressed that you
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  Speaker 1: need it just to feel normal.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're you're always at the below baseline, right, you know.
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  Speaker 2: I kind of feel like I fall into that little
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  Speaker 2: category a little bit to where it's like I'm just
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  Speaker 2: below baseline normal and like a couple like like I
• 8:03
  Speaker 2: don't get super excited for shit, but it'll be like
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  Speaker 2: something something that I'm looking forward to will kind of
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  Speaker 2: just get me to baseline, like right around normal. And
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  Speaker 2: I sometimes wondered, like I used to do a lot
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  Speaker 2: of LSD when I was a teenager, and I wonder,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we had we had one summer that me
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  Speaker 2: and my boys it was like every two days, like
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  Speaker 2: you know, twice a week, sixteen. Yeah, but also at
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  Speaker 2: you know, at the same time, maybe that has had
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  Speaker 2: some power in the sort of creative aspect too, right,
• 8:41
  Speaker 2: even if it's just like looking at the world differently,
• 8:45
  Speaker 2: which is just so common with psychedelics, right, just kind
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  Speaker 2: of gives you some perspective that's so far removed from
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  Speaker 2: our normal day to day reality. Right, So it's like you,
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  Speaker 2: I think for me, it's like what more am I
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  Speaker 2: not seeing? You know, like like what am I? What
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  Speaker 2: am I missing in my normal reality? That maybe exists,
• 9:09
  Speaker 2: but it could be total bull shit, Like I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: it might not have done anything for my creativity, but
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  Speaker 2: you know, it.
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  Speaker 1: Seems to have a profound effect on a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people that have experiences and just they'll talk about like
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  Speaker 1: this one like didn't Steve Jobs talk about it one
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  Speaker 1: else LSD experience and just kind of shifted the way
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  Speaker 1: he thought about things.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, here it is with those tiny shorts on.
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  Speaker 1: This is a document the crazy never walk around with
• 9:38
  Speaker 1: a gun. I can't even understand them. People screw the
• 9:43
  Speaker 1: golf course at night? What were things I'm playing with
• 9:46
  Speaker 1: Jeeves one of these things in the coomach turning a person.
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  Speaker 3: Will What did I do?
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  Speaker 1: I was behind the sense I couldn't I mentioned again,
• 9:58
  Speaker 1: we've got that we're trying to.
• 9:59
  Speaker 2: Get seriously, Yeah, okay, you was calling me everything Sea
• 10:04
  Speaker 2: bulls in her name, you dirty son, you dirty, stupid bestude.
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  Speaker 2: I had a hole of this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well well we were. We're an hour away from
• 10:17
  Speaker 1: that traditions. Well not to mention the first edition.
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  Speaker 4: I don't uh okay, I guess us good, we'll.
• 10:29
  Speaker 2: Probably better favorite computer.
• 10:31
  Speaker 1: Look at their computer. I wonder what year this was.
• 10:36
  Speaker 3: This came out in eighty eight, so probably like eighty seven.
• 10:38
  Speaker 1: When did people first start having computers? When did you
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: have your first computer when you were younger?
• 10:46
  Speaker 3: I was later than that, though, I had like Windows,
• 10:49
  Speaker 3: I think was our first one?
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: What year ninety five?
• 10:52
  Speaker 3: No, we have to whatever Windows was before that.
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  Speaker 1: Three point eight or whatever it was, went one.
• 10:56
  Speaker 3: What was that was when Windows ninety five came out?
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  Speaker 3: That's big day.
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  Speaker 1: It was a big day. Yeah, I remember I do
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  Speaker 1: stuff I got. I got an Apple computer. From CompUSA
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  Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety four.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I was right around like ninety seven,
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  Speaker 2: big ass fucking thing too.
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  Speaker 1: But my friend Robbie knew what to buy. My friend
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  Speaker 1: Robbie either he worked in computers or his brother worked
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  Speaker 1: in computers, so he took me to CompUSA. I had
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  Speaker 1: no idea. I'm like, what is this.
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  Speaker 2: My mom she worked in a computer lab at the
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  Speaker 2: Community College in San Diego, and she was like one
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  Speaker 2: of the first to start using Apple products, Like everything
• 11:35
  Speaker 2: was PC in the spot and she knew like something
• 11:40
  Speaker 2: was like getting ready to pop off. And she was
• 11:42
  Speaker 2: like like she had the first iPhone like early, like
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  Speaker 2: those fucking apples that you know, it looked like a
• 11:50
  Speaker 2: TV from the eighties. Yeah, just weighed six hundred pounds.
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  Speaker 2: And actually like got into graphic design early. And that's
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  Speaker 2: kind of how I started doing some because I made
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  Speaker 2: art my whole life, but started doing some design, like
• 12:04
  Speaker 2: learning how to actually use the fucking computer.
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  Speaker 1: And now, like I learned how programs were available back then.
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  Speaker 2: Photoshop and Illustrator were out, but it was like one
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  Speaker 2: and two wow. Yeah, And she was in there and
• 12:16
  Speaker 2: taught me how to do it. And then like I
• 12:18
  Speaker 2: still like do graphic design, but it's like it's from
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  Speaker 2: like I still use the techniques from like nineteen ninety
• 12:24
  Speaker 2: nine Wall.
• 12:25
  Speaker 1: It kind of shows you that there's a lot of
• 12:28
  Speaker 1: like untapped comedic talent in the tech industry because memes
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: were one of the first forms of new comedy. Yeah,
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: that hit the Internet, and it had to be by
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: someone who knew how to work the old school photoshops. Yeah,
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: so you had to have some technical understanding of the programs.
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: You had a few. It was probably people that were
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: using them already. You know, there were graphic artists and
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: they were like, fuck this guy, let's make a funny meme.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I mean before before that you had to
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  Speaker 2: do everything by hand. It was a lot of like
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  Speaker 2: cut and paste and like yeah and like different techniques.
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  Speaker 2: It was everything was by hand.
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  Speaker 1: When did memes, like really funny memes first start appearing.
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  Speaker 2: I had I feel like it has to be like
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  Speaker 2: two thousand, ninety nine, two thousand the Internet meme.
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  Speaker 3: Oh Dawkins concept nineteen seventy two, Right, Internet, That.
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: Was that book that he had, right, the selfish gene.
• 13:25
  Speaker 3: Wasn't it in that that Dancing baby was coming up?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I feel like that's the earliest.
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  Speaker 1: The dancing baby was the first from like a TV show.
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, a terrible animated dancing baby. What year was that, bro?
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  Speaker 1: That's just stuff nightmares. If you're in the woods you
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: see a dancing baby, it looks like that, the Uncanny
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: Valley dancing baby with those fuck that would be so scary.
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  Speaker 1: Imagine you would have to punt it.
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: You would have to punt it, so you'd.
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  Speaker 1: Have to run. If you kick it, it grabs a
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  Speaker 1: hold of you and bite you.
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  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, but what if it runs like fucking one
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  Speaker 2: hundred miles an hour.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, you're gonna find out. At least you find out. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: if you run, it's worse because then you're tired, and
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  Speaker 1: it's probably right there watch you. You're just trying to
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  Speaker 1: catch your breath. Yeah you see. No, no, no, it
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  Speaker 1: stays just far enough from you that you think you
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  Speaker 1: have to run. If it's really trying trying to scare you,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't want to jump on you. And once it
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: gets really close for a long time, for a long time,
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  Speaker 1: so wears everything out. You want to wear it out,
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  Speaker 1: Like that's how you do it. If you're chasing a person,
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  Speaker 1: you don't just run up on them.
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  Speaker 2: That just spoils all the fun, isn't that like the
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: old school hunters too, just like chasing a packageer.
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: For Oh yeah, that's why humans can run so long.
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  Speaker 1: But that's a different thing. They're overheating them. It's that's
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  Speaker 1: called it's called persistence hunting. Yeah, that's why there's so
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: many amazing marathon runners come from that part of the world,
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: because like, these guys have a history of literally running
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  Speaker 1: animals to their death. Fucking who had to figure that out? Too? Well?
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: I got five miles in me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, let me just ship I need. Let me just
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  Speaker 1: keep running until this deer stops running. Like, how would
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: you ever think that a deer you would eventually catch it,
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  Speaker 1: especially if they're so fucking fast. They're so fucking fast, Like,
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  Speaker 1: how would you think that one day that antelope was
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  Speaker 1: gonna get tired? Like how would you even have that
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  Speaker 1: in your head that it couldn't just take a break.
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be three hundred yards ahead of you, like
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: that cat breath. They didn't even know that. It's the
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: issue is the animals don't have sweat glands, so they overheat. Shit. Yeah,
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: so we have sweat clans.
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  Speaker 2: And of course they weren't biologists, so they also didn't
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  Speaker 2: know that either.
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: Well, that's why we're so weird. We're such a weird animal,
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: and that our bodies really can kind of adapt to
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: different climates and they self cool and regulate. Like some animals,
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: if they're outside of their climate range, they're fucked like
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: they're in deep shit, you know, like marshal over here,
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: so always right here, right beside me. We have to
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: you know, if we're going to exercise in Texas, we
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: have to do it in the morning, right or we
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: have to jump in the pool because you know, his
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: body is adapted for cold. He's got this crazy wool
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  Speaker 1: coat that he wears everywhere he goes. Yah. It sucks.
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  Speaker 1: But for us, man, we can we sweat. And they
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  Speaker 1: figured out, I guess a long time ago that these animals,
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  Speaker 1: if you just keep running after them, eventually they just
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: can't do it anymore. And then they lay down and
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: then you fucking stab them. Yeah wild, but it made
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  Speaker 1: insane runners. Yeah running. The only way you got to
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: feed your children is if you run after that deer, bro,
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna become a fucking runner.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: And now the evolutionary process is like you go to
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  Speaker 2: the Olympics.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they have you like this on the cover
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  Speaker 1: of wais it is?
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  Speaker 2: It really is interesting because like that's before I started
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: doing jiu jitsu, Like that was what I was doing.
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  Speaker 2: I was running like and but it just got fucking boring. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we got boring. And that that's when I was like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I got to find something else, because.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what most people that probably have with the
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: gym and jiu jitsu is the opposite of boring. Jiu
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  Speaker 1: jitsu is it's one of the most rewarding things in
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: life because it's super hard to do. It's really good
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  Speaker 1: for your head. Like jiu jitsu people in general, like
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: you get dickheads in all walks of life. Sure, and
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: female dickheads too, but for lack of a better word,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: but you you get the nicest people, like for the
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: most part, you get people of character because you have
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: to have character to stick it out to be doing
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: jiu jit If you're you've been doing jiu jitsu eight years,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: I can ninety nine. Sure I can hang out with you,
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: Like you're a dude who's got a shit together.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: It's almost like we're with like distant family members or something.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: It's like you recognize you've been through this thing, you know.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: I started doing jiu jitsu in ninety six, So ninety
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: six I was at Carlston Girl replace I was, you know,
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: twenty nine. Yeah, see, I started at thirty Yeah, yeah,
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: around the same time. And I started right after. It
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: was kind of like a year or two after I
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: first saw the UFC, you know, it's right around that time. Yeah,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: And so I started at Carlson Gracie's place in LA
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: that was right down the street from the comedy stores,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: real close to the comedy store. And that was when
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: Vitor Belfourt was. He had just fought John Hesse in
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Hawaii and he was about to enter the UFC.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: And that that was that first crew in California.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: From Brazil to exactly yeah, yeah, Marilla bous Demonte. You know,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: there was a whole ton of these guys that came
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: from Brazil.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: I think Maderios was there too, Mario.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Sperry was there. I got to train with Mario Sperry
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: dude when I was a white belt, and he didn't
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: have no idea who the fuck I was, because I
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: wasn't anybody I wasn't famous at all.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he was the.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Fucking nicest guy in the world. Man. Yeah, you know,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: he explained Mario Sperry explaining to us how he got
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: his triangle really good. He would make his girl friend
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: sit in his guard and he would just try and
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: she would complain, like stop, stop, just let.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: Me do this.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Let me use your body to practice triangles.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, because that's what it takes. It's like, it's
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: kind of hard to do by yourself.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: I have a dummy, but I don't use it one
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: of them. I used to have a Gracie dummy back
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: home in l A.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, every gym has one that just sits in the
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: corner and nobody.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: You really want to do it with people. Yeah, it's
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: just you know, the difference between the rolling and the drilling.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: It's like the people that get really good, they put
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: the shitty work in, you know, the long drilling sessions,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: that boring ass. Ship.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to. I have because I teach now,
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: and like, what do you know, I'm a black belt.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Oh when I met you, what were you? I was
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: probably a purple belt. How did we meet? Ship? I
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: don't even remember how we met because it was so
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: long ago.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, like I get I get the question. Answer
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: to that question, well, I so my sister worked at
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: the comedy store in La Joya as a waitress. She's
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: she's a nurse now. And you were doing a show
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: at somewhere downtown at the Balboa Theater probably maybe, and
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: it was sold out, and I just hit her up
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: and was like, hey, do you think you can give
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: me tickets?
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: Uh?
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Because she knew everybody from the store in La Hooya,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: and Ari ended up getting a pair of tickets for me,
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: And so I went to the show whatever my sister
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: was friends Atari, Oh yeah, I didn't know anybody yet,
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: and uh, maybe two weeks later she hits me up
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: It's like, hey, can you do a poster for our
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: marquee for it was Ari Tony Hinchcliff and it was
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: supposed to be Duncan Trussell, but maybe it was Duncan
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: but regardless, and from what I remember, you must have
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: seen that poster at some point.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: That makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: And then we did the we did the Atlanta four
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: twenty show.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so that was probably.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: I feel like I met you before because I popped
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: in on one of those uh those ice House chronicles
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: from back in the day.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, those were fun. Look at that one, man, what
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: a great one.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the four twenty show. So that was
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: twenty twelve.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: God damn time flies.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so that ended up becoming the graphic for
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: the logo we had the microphone. It's perfect Duncan with
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: the little hit acid on his tongue.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: It's the perfect logo. I mean, you fucking nailed it. Now.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: It's everywhere. That's gotta be weird.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really. It's fucking strange. It's like almost like
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: disconnected from it. Yeah, like like of course it's grown,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: it's like it's its own thing. But every time I
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: see it, like I know, like I drew that by hand,
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: like I have the ink drawings.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Still, that's crazy.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty fucking wild. I you know, I put
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: stuff out into the world all the time. I have
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: thousands of paintings, thousands of different fucking places. But I
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: mean more people see this image than guaranteed all the
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: other ones.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Well, more people see that image than anything else I've
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: ever done. Yeah, that image is everywhere.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty wild.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: What a fucking weird trip, right, I mean you.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: I went to the show on Tuesday and you were
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: doing the like Q and A at the end, and
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: somebody had asked you about, like what your goals are, yeah,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: and you were like, I don't have any. And I'm
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: kind of in that same routine where like what I
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: was saying, like I do the work zero expectations, like
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: what happens will happen, and I'm just along for the ride.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Well that's I think, as long as you put the
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: actual energy into the work, I think, at least for
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: me and you, that's the way to do it. I
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: don't have like people there's a lot of people out
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: there with vision boards, those talking STUDI the other day.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: He's got this vision board, he's got all these goals
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: he wants for his company, and goals all he wants
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: for his life and this and that, and like, I
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: get it. That probably works too, that probably works too.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: But for me, I just only I feel like I
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: only want to think about the process. I want to
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: put all my energy into thinking about the process.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Because that's the rewarding part for a creator, right like
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: me in the studio, by myself painting, I get that
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: clear mind where it's like I feel like I fucking
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: meditate six hours a day, you know, just from work,
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: every day, just from work, because at some point in
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: the painting process, like the paint brush turns into a
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: mantra almost to where like everything in my mind, just
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: like in jiu jitsu, like everything shuts off because we're
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: in a hyper focused like mode of accomplishing a task
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: right right right. And that's for me painting. All the
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: reward is that. Yeah, it's those moments, those even when
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: I fucking hate it, because there's plenty of times where
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: I'm like, this motherfucker painting, Like I can't get it,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Like I know where I wanted to go, but it's
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: it's like, well, first you're gonna have to take thirty
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: five fucking steps before you can get there, right, And
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: my you know, like I know that, like the finishing
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: of painting is a little bit like a drug. I
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: don't know if you ever experienced this, maybe like after
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: getting off stage or something, but it's like there's a
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: little like dopamine reward when it's done, When it's complete
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: and done.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: You're like, oh, look at that.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like catching your breath.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I used to feel like I don't know, sketches.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: I used to feel like that with drawings, Yeah, but
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: on a smaller scale. Obviously. I think it's the same
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: thing with martial arts, because you know what, people always
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: talk about martial arts being a moving meditation. Yeah, you know,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: I think. I think and if you thought about martial arts,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: like if you if you were a white belt and
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: you thought about all the time that it's going to
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: take before you become a black belt, you're like, oh
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: my god, yeah, I can't do this. But if you
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: just think about the process, the process will get you there. Yeah,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: you just have to just only be thinking about this idea,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: this process of improvement, of dialing it in. There's and
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: people oftentimes refer to martial arts as a moving meditation
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: because to do it right, you're kind of out of
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: your own way. Yeah, did you have to do any
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Did you do much striking? I did a year muay Thai.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: I got punched in the face a lot. I actually
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: I found my brain not functioning quite the same way
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: and I hit Yeah, and I even found myself like
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: getting frustrated, which was stupid. Like yeah, well, like in
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: the process of muay Thai, like I had a coach
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: and this was forever Ago, who was kind of a
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: prick and just he had eight morning students who knew
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: fucking dick and we were terrible.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: You know. Oh he wanted to be coaching pros, right,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: That's what.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: It seemed like, like very very distant in like like
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: phoning it in. And I recognized myself kind of getting
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: frustrated with it. But when I was in jiu jitsu class,
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: if somebody caught me in something, I found myself laughing
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: interesting where I was like wow that Like I never
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: got frustrated. I never got like down on myself because
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: I mean my whole first year, I don't think I
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: tapped a single person my first year, and I like
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: I was in a tough gym. You know, it was
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: a Nogara gym, and so like the whole first year
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: of them being open, it was just like the MMA
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: guys were in there. It was like pros training for
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: you know, a year or six months and then they
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: opened it up to the public.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Which is okay, I got.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: And it was just it was just ass whoopings every day.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: I remember my first class like it was yesterday, Like
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: I got when we got to sparring, it was like
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: I got paid. Like I just looked at another white
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: belt and was like, okay, let's try. And neither of
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: us knew what the fuck we were doing. And the
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: coach was like hey, and like grabbed this purple belt
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: who's now he owns del mar Jiu Jitsu in San Diego.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: He he came over as a purple belt, just this
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: fucking like vanilla gorilla and hip tossed me. Oh no,
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: And I was like, what the fuck was that? Like
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: I had no idea what had happened. I was on
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: my back, you know, trying to catch my breath, like
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: holy shit, what was that? And at that moment, like
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: I knew I like I thought I was tough. I
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: thought I had a little bit of toughness in me,
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: and I was like just a complete humbling experience, but
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: also like encouraging, Like I feel like it was that
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: singular hip toss like led me to be a black belt.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Interesting, So because it was so overwhelming, you were like
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: I need to learn.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: That, yeah, yeah, yeah, And I was that kind of
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: like a weird phase. So that was probably like around
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: around two thousand and eight, when shit seemed to be
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: It was like a little moment of like everything's going
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: to shit, and like I had this weird feeling.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: This is so like the financial crisis.
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: This was when the banks yeah, and everybody's money was
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: weird in a mortgage yeah, And I felt like if
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: shit hits the fan, like maybe I should know how
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: to do something which is such a weird yeah.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: And it's it's fairly abstract like to me. It wasn't
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: like I was like super concerned or like really serious
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: about it. But I had the thought of like if
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: I need to defend myself or if I need And
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: that's why I was running too. It's like if I
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: need to fucking chase down a deer and you know,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: until it overheats, right, And it ended up just being
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: a little bit of a motivation and then I just
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: found the join in it. I always said if I
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: ever opened the jiu jitsu gym, I would call it
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: fun jiu jitsu. That just because I mean, I was
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: talking to Zach, your security guard at the comedy club,
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: and like for me, I don't get into street fights.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: I haven't been in a street fights since I was
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: a teenager. You know, like I've broken up fights more
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: often than I've got into them.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: And you know what thing I do find that's really
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: disconcerting when fights break out. I don't get nervous.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: That's how beautiful is that I've had that, because I
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: remember when fights a breakout, your anxiety shoots up your
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: heart rate.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: I get weird if like someone close to me is
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: with me and I'm worried about their danger. Yeah yeah, yeah,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: But the fact that two people are fighting, I'm so
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: used to it, it's weird.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: I stopped a bar fight a couple of years ago
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: where a group of guys attacked this dude. One of
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: them got a hold of him and he's sunk in
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: a guillotine. The guy got taken down right away, a
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: deep guillotine.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Like all the way up over the shoulder, you know,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: like was not letting him tap, was not letting him out. No, no,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: no no.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: And I saw it all sort of kind of unfolding,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: and I ran up there and I just whispered in
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: his ear. If you do jiu jitsu, you should probably
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: let go right now. That calm. He like looked at me,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: let go. Dude was out cold. I actually grabbed the
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: guy who was out cold and picked his feet up.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: That's a great way to handle it the way you
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: talk to him.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and immediately looked at me like, Okay, yeah, I
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: hear what you're saying.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Also, like this could be the difference between nothing happens
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: to you, you're just defending yourself and you're going to
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: jail for a long time because this guy's dead. Yeah,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: especially if the guy's out, you're still holding onto it.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and it was quick, it was tight. He
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: might not have known he was out, but I mean.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: He's probably so jumped up with adrenaline.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he had a girlfriend with him, and.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, street fights are stupid, so dumb, and if
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: I see them, I just get the fuck away. But
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: what just weird that I'm I've seen so many people
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: beat people up. I have seen like firsthand. There's probably
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: a tiny percentage of people on Earth that have seen
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: more fistfights in person than me. Yeah.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine, especially at that close range.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: A close range with world class fighters, because it's.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: A when you're in at a usc event, like those
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: fights feel so much more intense and so much more like, dude,
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: you got you're there.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: You got to come with me to the Apex. The
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Apex is the place to see fights the Apex Center
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: is the UFC's private little auditorium. It's tiny. It only
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: seats like one hundred people.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Is that where they were doing the fights during COVID?
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, dude. I saw Francis and Gan versus steep
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: a mio chick in a small cage with no audience.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: It was whose sounds are sounds you don't hear?
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Bro It was wild.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: It was so different because Francis's punches and kicks without
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: all the cheering. Yeah, to hear that sound, it's a
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: different thing, man, because you're you're experiencing what that fighter
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: is experiencing. Not you're not getting the pain, but the thud,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: the force that you feel it different. Yeah, you feel
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: like through the arena, you feel that small little room.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: You feel it. And I remember concussion in the air
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: when he collapsed, when he hit him on the left
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: hock and dropped him and then punched him when he
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: was down. I was like, oh my god. It was
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: so different than seeing it in an arena. It was
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: so intimate. It's like I always say that it's like
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: the difference between going to see an acoustic concert and
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: going to see a concert in a gigantic arena. You know,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: you go see someone in a club doing an acoustic set,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: like Gary Clark Junior did an acoustic set, it's different, Like, ah,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: this is intimate.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: That's That's why I always liked the prelim fights for
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: the few fights that I've gone to, And it's interesting.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: I noticed myself getting nervous for the fighter walking especially
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: that first fight, Like first prelim.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Like, I feel like ten people in the room. Yeah,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: it's weird.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that walkout moment is so peculiar, yes, like,
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: and I don't know if everybody else feels it, but
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: it's like I can almost feel their anxiety, oh as
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: they're walking out, And some.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Guys you don't feel that at all. You just feel
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: this confidence, this crazy confidence. That's fascinating too. The guys
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: can get so good and work themselves into a headspace
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: where they they Ilio Taporia. He walks in there like
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: he's already won. He celebrates the night before, He has
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: a celebration dinner with all his friends and family. The
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: night before the fight, he walks out that he is
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: not a doubt in the world, no doubt.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: I wonder how much of that comes from everything that
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: he's done so far, like just a supreme confidence.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's definitely from that, but I but maybe it
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: was there before. I think he's touched by the universe.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: I think there's there's certain people that have a talent.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Obviously hard work, obviously, discipline, obviously intelligence, obviously great trainers,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: all those things are. Yeah, you can't get past the
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: technique that he has, but there's an understanding of what
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: to do and how to do it, when do it,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: and an ability that's above and beyond.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: And I see this all the time where it's like
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: two people who seem like they would be equal in
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: skills or even just in knowledge, right, but one of
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: them out can completely outshine the other.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Learned early on in martial arts that it's it's all
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: hard work, but there's certain dudes that have physical attributes
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: that are just freakish. Yeah, they're freakers. Like the first
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: thing that I ever my first introduction to real like
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: high level martial arts was this guy named John Lee.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: And John Lee was the national light heavyweight champion in
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: taekwondo at the time, and he was training for the
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: World Cup and I was leaving with my friend Jimmy.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: We were coming home from a baseball game. We were
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: coming home from Fenway Park and we just passed by
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: this taekwondo school and I was like, let's go up.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: We're waiting for the tea. The tea takes forever. It
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: is a train, it's always packed. Everybody's leaving the baseball
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: game at the same time. It's gonna be a mob scene.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Let it die down for a little bit. Let's go
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: check out this taekwondo class. And as we're walking up
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: the stairs, I hear kut chunk, kut chunk, like this
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: crazy noise, like a thump and then a rattle of chains.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: That's what I was hearing. And it was this dude
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: practicing a spinning back kick on the back in his prime,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: big long dude who had fucking ferocious power. He was
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: just bending this bag in half. Yeah, and I was fourteen,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: and I was like, holy shit, I think I was fifteen.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: I was like, it was a summer of my fifteenth birthday.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: But I changed my life. I was like, I need
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: to learn how to do that, Like that's crazy. But
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: then after a while I realized, like, not everybody can
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: do that, Like there's guys that are like high level guys.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: They can't do it. That guy could do. That guy
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: had some weird gift. He had a weird power gift.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Even sometimes just biology, like how your body is shaped.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: It's one hundred percent biology. When it comes to power.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: There's like, if you have tiny hands and slope shoulders
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: and girl hips, good luck, you're not gonna You're there's
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: no way you gonna generate John Lee type power.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's kind of like I can't punch to
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: save my life, but I got these long, skinny ass arms,
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Like I'll darse the fuck out of it.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, they're perfect for jiu jitsu. Yeah, long arms and
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: thin arms are perfect for jiu jitsu because it's all leverage. Man.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: I think one of the best things, the most inspirational
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: things that can happen to you if you can handle
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: it in jiu jitsu is getting mauled by a smaller person. Yeah,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: a person like quite a bit. It's thirty pounds lighter
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: than you and just runs through you and you're like wow,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Like Okay, it's not about strength at all. It's about skill, knowledge.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Technique, timing, Iming is fucking everything.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Timing is a lot, but you have to know what
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: to do with the timing. Yeah, and you have to
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: have technique. But you have to have technique. Your technique
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: has to be sure because there's some guys, like some
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: guys they'll wrap something up and it's like nine out
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: of ten, like you're gonna squeeze it, maybe get the tap.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: But there's other guys that locks something and you're like, oh,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: there's no way out of this.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is death.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: This is death. Yeah, this is ten out of ten. Yeah,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: like an Eddie Bravo triangle and get locked and Eddie
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: provos trying to like, I'm not getting out of this.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: This is tap time.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: That's I've been wondering. So I play Lockdown a lot
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: and maybe getting too technical is probably fucking boring.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: That's okay.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: I have an extra muscle in my calf, right, I
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: have the same muscle in my left calf, but my
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: right one is twice the size. Just a little strand
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: from making that little hook on the shin. Oh you're
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: just from trump playing lockdown.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Wow, you know you could exercise that. You know, there's
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: a thing called a tibbar. Do you know what that is?
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: This would be really good for jiu jitsu, for especially
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: for people who really love butterfly guard and it's just
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: good for overall knee stability. I learned about it through
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: the Knees over Toes guy on Instagram. Have you ever
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: done anything?
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: No, but I need to start looking into it.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Look into yesterday. Really good for knee health and strengthening
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: the knees and a lot of amazing exercises. But one
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: of the things that he has that he recommends as
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: a tibbar, and so what it is is it's like
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: a thing that attaches to your shoe and you lift
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: weights by lifting your foot upward by lifting your toes
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: towards your knee, which is an extra as you very
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: rarely get. But it's really good.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really good.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: And for buttery similar that would be it, man, because
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: you could get that motherfucker strong as shit with not
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: just doing butterfly guard, but lifting lifting for that you
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: would for sure. I always thought like leg extensions too,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: that would help in a big way, right, Yeah, you
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: know for the same kind of muscles, the forcing like
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: the extending the leg.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's what it feels awkward at first to
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: try to elevate from that position. Yeah, right, Like, especially
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: if your knees are fucked. I'm kind of I'm sixteen
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: years in now, and I'm like, I'm avoiding the heavyweight
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: rolls right, like the super tough, like I just have
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: to like protect myself and still like I never want
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: to stop either, so like I want to be able
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: to get in there and fuck around as much as possible.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: But yeah, you got to pick who you roll with,
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: for sure, that's important, especially as you get older. Are
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: you doing TRT or anything like that? No, I wish
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Why don't you do it? Oh? You son of a bitch?
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: What does that mean? What does that mean?
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: What does that mean?
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: I just haven't had a chance.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: I suppose while you're in town, I'm gonna hook you
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: up with waste? Well how many more days you here?
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: I leave tonight?
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: Oh shit? Yeah, what time tonight? Nine? Oh yeah, we
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: could do that. We can make it happen. We'll make
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: it happen. I'll make a call as soon as we
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: get out of here, and I'll have you go over
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: there right right before you take off.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because shit has gone gone pretty south.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: You should get blood at the very least, if you
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: don't do anything, you should get blood work. Get blood work,
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: find out where your hormone levels are at Yeah, how
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: is your diet?
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: It's not bad? Like I eat pretty good. Actually cut
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: out sugar this year, like big impact, humongous is crazy.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: You're poisoning yourself.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's just like like what I was saying,
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: like being that like slightly lower than baseline, like sugar
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: gives you that little dopamine like fix that is like
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: okayl R and so like I had a little though
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: a habit, which I mean there could be fucking worse things,
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: but maybe not.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Though you know, like.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: Sugar is pretty bad for you. Well I lost I
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: lost fifteen pounds like like.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: That like that crazy.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so stupid.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: It's so crazy. How many people are just down in
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: that stuff all day.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Long, all day long. Yeah, and it's just eating you
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: from the inside.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: But you could see it in their body. You can
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: see it in their body people. I'm sorry, buddy, I'm sorry.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: I put my foot on Marshall. I forgot he was there.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, you see it with kids.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, oh, it's terrible for kids. It's so bad.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: It's so bad for everything, you know, but in moderation
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: it's okay. But the problem is human beings are really
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: bad with moderation of things that are literally designed to
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: be addictive.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. And I'm a creature of
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: habit to where it's like I build a routine and
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: then I stick to that fucking routine.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: And if that includes you know, sugary drinks, sugary.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Drinks and a fucking ice cream at night, whatever, like
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: it's going to be there, I know.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: And especially if you're put in the work, if you're
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: working hard and you're working out, You're like, I deserve it.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: I deserve toison myself.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, be like it's balance.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: This Time's like I'll come home from the comedy club
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: and it's late and everyone's asleep, and I'm like, fuck it,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: I'm eating cereal every now and then, and I always
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: feel terrible after I do it. I'm like, why did
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: you do that?
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah? All those ideas, it sounds so great, and you
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: just build up a beautiful idea and then you get
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: done and you're like, what the fuck.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: The only time I feel good is if I come
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: home and I'll cook a steak. I do. I do
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: like that, Like I'm gonna actual take a whole hour
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: to make myself a meal, even though it's eleven thirty
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: at night and I'm tired. Might take a whole hour
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: and make myself a meal and have the discipline to
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: not eat any garbage before that, because when you're tired,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: you make the worst dietary decisions. Yes, there's a part
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: of you when you're tired. I forget what it's called.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: I forget what the there's actually like a thing that
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: happens where you are impulsively going to go towards things
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: that are bad for you. You're impulsively going to go
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: towards potato chips and ice cream and candy and bullshit
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: because you're.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: Fatigued and there's convenience, right, Like, it's not just that.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: If there was a fucking home cooked meal like massed potatoes,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: green beans, a beautiful like half chicken that was cooked
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: on a grill, or ice cream, you might take the
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: ice cream if no one was around, Yeah, you know
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: you might. You might grab a kitcat bar, you know,
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: for sure, if there was a bowl of chips, just
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: an inviting bowl of like ruffles sitting there, like I'm
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: a grab a couple of ruffles.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: And that's that weird dopamine thing our brain rewards us somehow,
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: and then it fucks with us later.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: You know what the thing is, the reward is not
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: worth it. It's not a good reward. Like it's not
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: like an orgasm. It's not like the completion of a project.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: It's not like the accomplishment of some great goal. The
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: amount of whatever rush in your brain that you get
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: from eating a shitty potato, it's not that much.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for what it does to you.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: But if I eat a bag of ruffles, I feel
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: like shit for five hours.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: I started.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: It came from a time place where I was really poor,
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: and I tried to figure out, like, what's the least
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: amount of food I could eat in a day and
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: still survive, right, boy? And what I started to do
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: was like do little fastings during the day, so like
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: I'd wake up, get a coffee and not eat until
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: like five. But then I started realizing that I felt
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: good doing that, you know, like like my body started
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: feeling better. And now I pretty much do it regularly now,
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: even though like I have money to get food, I
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: would just just wait, just wait, And I found myself
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: actually getting pleasure from the pain of starvation. Like I
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: started to I started to like the feeling of being hungry. Yeah,
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: at at a certain point.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: But how long we are we talking about this is
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: like a twenty four hours in or how many hours in?
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: No, It's like, so I would I would basically eat
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: one meal at like five thirty, okay, so no food
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: all day except you know, i'd have some coffee with
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: a little bit of half and half in it's some
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: fat and drinking water of course, or maybe like eat
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: like a fucking banana or something. And I like, my
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: body just felt great to where like before, you know,
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: I was probably eating something shitty in the morning, feeling shitty, yeah,
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: until noon, eat some other fucking shitty thing. You know,
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: as a young person, you just do whatever the.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Fuck well, your body will get adapted. I mean that's
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: why that whole intermittent fasting thing is interesting, right, because
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: you're making your body digest food all day long. Like
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: if you're eating all day long, your body digesting system
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: never gets break. Well.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: I started thinking like even like you know, back to
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: chasing the fucking deer, like our bodies you used to
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: have to go hunt, oh yeah, to get something to eat.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: So this idea of like waiting you know, eight hours
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: six hours before eating anything from waking up like it
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: all started to feel natural for me.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: Well, it is natural as long as you're eating natural food. Yeah,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: that's the thing.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: So if you're eating processed foods and a lot of
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: bread and a lot of pasta, and a lot of
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: stuff that human beings have made, especially like our American bread,
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: your body's accustomed to a lot of sugar. Your body's
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: accustomed to those complex carbohydrates just pouring into your system
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: all day long, and you're using those as a fuel source.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: If you were subsisting off of fat and protein and
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: meat and like avocados, and you're getting healthy food, your
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: body is working off a lot of keytones. Your body
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: is it's making its own glucose through gluconeogenesis from the meat,
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: and it's also running off of ketones from the fat.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: It's a way more efficient way of doing it. And
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: when you do that, you don't get nearly as hungry.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: It's you don't have that feeling, that awful feeling when
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: I was eating a lot of carbs, and if I
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: would go like four or five hours without eating, I
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: would start getting fucking famished. You don't get famished when
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: you eat only meat. It stops that you get hungry,
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: but it's totally manageable. Just that alone. I love that,
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: the the the not requiring food, Like I can go
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: sometimes I won't eat breakfast. Sometimes I'll work out, i
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: won't eat breakfast. I'll come here, I'll be here all
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: day and the first meal I have is dinner. Yeah,
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: and I'm fine. Yeah, I'm literally fine, Like it's not
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: bothering me. And it's only because my body's adapted to
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: not eat process shit.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's different if you feel like you're gonna
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: throw up or pass out because you haven't eaten.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: And that's people that eat a lot of fucking glucose,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: people that are eating a lot of carbohydrates, a lot
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: of bullshit. Body needs fuel. You get low blood sugar
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: and you start feeling like shit, yeah, and like you
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: got to get something in you.
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: Well.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: I noticed as soon as I started doing that, like
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: the stored fat like in my like little love handles
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: or whatever, like immediately just it was like the body's like, okay,
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: I got to use this shit now, yeah and burn
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: it up. This complete body change and like and mentally
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: I felt so much better.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, people that fast and I have never fasted for
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: more than twenty four hours. But people that fast for
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: like three days, they all talk about how great they
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: feel at the end. You feel euphoric and incredible and
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: we give so much energy, and like that sounds nuts.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: It sounds like you'd be fucking done.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I mean I do get miserable sometimes of like, yeah,
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: like I could just eat a fucking steak.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: I hold it off. I hold off the idea of
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: fasting because like I make all these excuses for myself, like, oh,
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: I've got to do my show, I got to I'm supporting,
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: I can't be out of it.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's for me. I don't have any like
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: stringent routine of like I'm not allowed to fucking eat something.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: It's just the routine that I've got into now to
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: where it's like I just sit down and work. But
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: that kind of probably helps a little bit too, because
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: of that mind state of like I don't really if
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: when I'm in the mode of painting, like I don't
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: have to go to the bathroom, I'm not hungry.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Do you drink coffee or anything while you doing that?
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I drink espresso during the day, or like
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: I'll get a quad espresso and then it just kind
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: of lasts most of the day, you know, to like
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: noon or whatever. And that, I mean, that keeps me
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: kind of on the level I suppose because there is
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: some fat in there, and like the caffeine obviously helps.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a little it's a little something. Yeah, yeah,
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: caffeine helps hunger. But I think that what you're saying,
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: the focus is probably the big thing that you're just
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: so locked into what you're doing that you're not even Yeah,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: it's like.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: I'm not even in my body anymore, Like the body
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: is separated from the mind in some way.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: That thing that you were talking about earlier. That is
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: such a weird thing, the where it feels like the
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: whatever you're working on just sort of takes over to me.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: It's something subconscious because like the way I look at
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: jiu jitsu or painting or any real art form as
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: creative problem solving. So for me, all of those things,
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: like it tickles the same part of my brain to
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: where the like I'll ask myself questions like it intends
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: to be, like you have to ask yourself the right
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: questions Like I've had like I don't know how to
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: use how to fix a car to save my life.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: But I've had to fix some shit to where I'm like, hmm,
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: what should I do here? Or like, uh, you know,
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: you'll just try something. But it's almost like a subconscious
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: voice like I was saying, how the painting will kind
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: of tell me how to how to like where to
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: go next to where I'm I don't know an answer,
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: but somehow I come up with it right, just by
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: kind of asking my brain, you know, what what should
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: we do here? And it's it's it's always like fascinated
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: me that I'll it's like my brain comes up with
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: solutions to these problems by you know, run some computation
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: of like well, if we did this, this will happen.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: If we did that, this will happen. And I'll come
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: up with ideas that are like I don't have that
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: aren't conscious ideas or thoughts that seep in from some
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: depth in my brain that it's like it's not my control.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: It's not like a like a brag. It's like some
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: way of thinking that I can get solutions to problems
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: that I don't know the solution to, right, and you.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: Don't feel like those solutions are yours? No, Yeah, that's yeah.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it comes from somewhere else. It Maybe I'd like
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: to think of it as like some part of my
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: subconscious or some part of the brain that I'm not
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: accessing in conscious reality that is coming up with answers.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: But I'm amazed by it all the time. Like if
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: you've ever had like like a light that wasn't working
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: in your house, right, but if you like flip the
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: switch three times and then like turn the fucking heat on,
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: somehow the light comes on, you know what I mean?
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: Like you figure out these ways to accomplish a task
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: or figuring out a solution to a problem, And for me,
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: I feel like with painting and jiu jitsu or now anything,
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: Like I remember I pinched a nerve in my neck
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: like bad, to where it's like I couldn't even sit up,
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: and I was like, how the fuck am I going
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: to get out of bed? And just ended up like
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: picking my leg up, hooking my arm behind my leg
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: and doing like a jiu jitsu thing to like sit
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: myself up because I couldn't like actually set myself up,
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: And I was like, I've never done that before. That's
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: so fucking strange. But like like my brain just told
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: me to do that.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: Well that makes sense though. You know how to use
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: your body from jiu jitsu, and this would be right
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: using your abs.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, But there's all kind of like fixing the
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: fucking car, Like I don't know what I'm doing, but
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: this seems to be like my brain telling maybe try this,
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: you know. And with with all of these processes of
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: you know, martial arts and painting, just some creative problem
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: solving aspect of the brain that's almost separated from.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: Him and gets nurtured with use.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it builds like it gets strong.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: Well, this is what Pressfield talks about when he talks
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: about summoning the muse. You know when he did You
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: ever read the book The War of Art?
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: I haven't.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: I've got a copy. I'll give you a copy of it.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: He gave me a box of them because I used
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: to have a box of them on the desk in
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: the old studio that I hand out to people. But
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: it's a short read, but it's an amazing read on
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: this concept of the muse and that like treating this
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: thing like you're a professional. You're going to show up
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: at this time and you're going to summon the meuse.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: And you're gonna do it with sincerity. And if you
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: do that and you show up every day at work, yeah,
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: and it really does. That's what I do.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: That's exactly I mean. I live that like I get up,
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: get coffee, I go to the studio and I'm there
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: until it's time to leave. Then I go teach at night,
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: and then I repeat the whole process and it's joy Like.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: There isn't a lot like I probably have a bit
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: of a short attention span to where like things can
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: get fucking.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: Boring but obviously not painting. No.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: I leave after a long day and I feel myself
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: feeling guilty that I'm not still there.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: Well, you see, that's why I have a problem when
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: people use that term ADHD, because I think about myself
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: as a boy, and I'm like, I know they would
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: have fucking diagnosed me if I had the wrong parents.
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: I know they would have diagnosed me, and they would
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: have brought me to a doctor who would have put
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: me on some fucking medication and it would have ruined
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: whatever weird quality that I have that lets me focus
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: on things intensely. You know, they want to pretend that
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: everybody has to be the same thing like, everybody can't
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: be the same thing. We're all wired different. I'm not
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: wired normal, I'm wired like if what you're saying is boring,
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: God, yeah, how I get.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: I know some people that are gonna whoa, So what
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: are you gonna do about that? Fred? They can have
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: the boringest fucking conversations all day. I literally feel physical
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: pain when I'm being bored. But if I find something
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: that's really interesting, like really interesting, I can lock on.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: And when I lock onto that I have no problem
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: paying attention.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: And that's a superpower.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: I think so. And I think they're fucking kids up, man.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: And I think there's a lot of lazy parents that
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: don't want to deal with this extraordinary child that has
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: this weird thing that you haven't harnessed, and you're putting
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: that kid on fucking speed. They're putting them on riddling shit.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: That's they were going to try to give me REDI
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: when I was a kid, You know, I wasn't aspas
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: a kid. I wasn't it just I was bored as
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: fuck by what like whatever they were trying to do
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: in school.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: You're an artist, but no one can recognize that. It's
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: almost like they want to pretend that that is not
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: a real option for a human. But why are there
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: so many artists? I know, what are you saying? How
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: is that possible that you want everybody to fit into
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: this fucking square peg. How is it possible that you're
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: teaching and a kid comes along and he's bouncing off
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: the wall. But that motherfucker could play video games like
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: an assassin. I go, Okay, Clearly there's something going on
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: with the video games that you're not providing him in
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: the real world, and his ability to excel at video
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: games shows he's extraordinary. It's just about focusing that. If
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: you take some little girl who just wants to talk
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: to her friends and joke around class, and you fucking
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: medicate her, she could have probably been an amazing artist.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: She maybe she would have found a subject that she
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: just look like, some kind of a science subject she
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: locks onto and now all of a sudden that thing
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: doesn't exist anymore. It's not like she scattered all. No,
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: she's just bored. What you're doing is boring. Your class
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: is fucking boring. You have uninspired teachers who are underpaid,
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: no one gives a fuck about them. They're basically babysitters
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: and you're bored, and because the teacher doesn't want to
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: deal with you being bored, they tell the principle. The
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: principal tells the doctor, the doctor wreck Men's another doctor,
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: and then little Billy's sitting there in this fucking doctor's
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: office and then they pop them full of riddle. And
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: I had Henry Rollins on the podcast once and he's
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: telling me they put him on riddling when he was
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: a little kid. Yeah, he said he was just fucking
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: like all day long. My god, damn man, it's so nuts. Yeah.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: I remember seeing those kids too. Yeah, just like fucking
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: spun out, spun out.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: And now they're all on adderall man.
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's fucking bro.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: There's a ton of young kids out there in the
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: world that do not have a problem, and they're on
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: adderall because it helps them concentrate, it helps their scores
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: for college. Yeah, I care run tea it. There are
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: kids out there in high school right now that are
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: popping adderall all the time so that they could do
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: better on tests, so they could do better in college.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: And then they're taking Xanax to come down off the
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: fucking adderall like so terrible, so fucking terrible.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: It's fucking terrible. And you know these pharmaceutical drug companies
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: are just vambis. Yeah, this is what you need.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: This is what you need, Mike, seeing the fucking commercials
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: like you show.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: Don't you want to be happy? Don't you want to
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: dance in a wheat field with your child? Don't you
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: want to go to the barbecue? Actually, look everyone's at
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: the barbecue. They're happy. Everybody's not happy. Yeah, don't you
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: want to go to the barbecue?
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: YEA third thing, finding the thing that is actually going
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: to bring you joy.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. My friend of Sano Mad has a great bit
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: about it. I don't want to give it up, but
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: it's a great bit if you ever seen it. At
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: the mother Ship, did you see him?
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: I caught the very tail end of his set when
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: I got there.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: He's got a great bit about great guy farm. He's great,
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: He's got He's a funny dude too. He's been my
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: friend since he was a door guy at the comedy store.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: So it's so interesting to see him like from a
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: very raw beginner. Yeah, you know to where he is now.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: I mean you get you've gotten to see a lot of.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: That, right, Yeah, Yeah, and Joey and yeah Duncan all
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: those guys. Yeah, pretty wild.
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: But you seeing how the comedy scene has kind of
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: started to flourish here and kind of like build it
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: like that little Sixth Street uh way there is pretty wild.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: Oh dude, there's five full time comedy clubs. Yeah right there.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: I hung out with my buddy Roy yesterday and I
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: feel like I met like four or five comics just
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: like standing around figuring out what we're gonna do.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: It's the hub and it's also this is the most
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: important thing. It's the hub for development of young people.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: It gives young people a real pathway, a real possibility,
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: and we set it up that way on purpose, like
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: this is the idea. So like you cannot have a
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: sustainable comedy community without new members.
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I find a little emmy in that. Like
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: that's a little tougher in the like visual arts world
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: is because we're so fucking isolated. We're not like hanging
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: out at the same spots all the time. And it's
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: like that's how things used to be, like back in
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: the day, like the artists would all go to the
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: same bar after they were done working for the day.
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: Have an artist neighborhood. Yeah, and like had a bunch
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: of neighborhoods where a lot of artists live together.
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean LA is a little bit different from
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: besides New York than the rest of the art world.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: It's like if you're not in one of those two
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: or three hubs, like you're you're kind of isolated, like
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: outside of that realm, and we don't have that opportunity.
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: I really like enjoy that aspect of the comedy community
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: to where it's like you see everybody meeting up, like
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: they see each other every day. They hug, they talk
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: over shit, they can like kind of workshop stuff with
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: each other. Like having that ability is or like that
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: community in that aspect.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: It's so nice. It's so nice. And so when you
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: were there, it's like a perfect setup. Like Shane Gillis
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: was there, Ron White was there. I got the top
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: of Ron for a while. He's the best. Yeah, he's
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: the best. He's such a fucking character. Yes, Tony was there.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: It's so we have this beautiful community. But it's also
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: like the young people, young people coming up, they're good, man,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: they're good and they're hungry and they're focused and they
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: realize that there's a real pathway. So because we set
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: it up so we have two nights of open mic nights,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: which is really important. Yeah, Like you have to have
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: chances for people to get on stage for the first
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: time and and just chances to just develop. You just
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: got a few minutes, You go up there, you tell
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: a couple of jokes. Try it again next week, try
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: it down the street, try it over here, try it
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: over there, And if you want to do it, if
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: you really want to do it, there's a bunch of
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: people that are also doing it here. So there's like
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: a great community and it's pretty fucking positive. Man, it's
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: pretty Instead of being cutthroat and backstabby, everybody's real supportive.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: Big difference from LA, right, Like I noticed just the
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: sort of like every interaction I had while I was
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: here for just three days just felt so genuine, like
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: not like somebody's trying to get something from you.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: The regular folks out here.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: Everybody just seemed so laid back and chill and the
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: focus regular humans.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: What we were dealing with in Los Angeles was some
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: amazing people. I mean, there's a lot of amazing people
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: in LA but the overall vibe of the city was
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: a vibe of you were trying to stand out from
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: everybody else and get famous.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you could feel it. You could feel it because
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: I mean growing up in San Diego, like, I spent
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: a lot of time in La Like I could sense
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: the feeling of like everybody, Like it felt like everybody
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: was trying to do something. Yes, like every single person
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: you saw on the street was up to something.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: And then it got real weird when reality TV came along,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: because you didn't have to have any talent. So it
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: used to be you wanted to be an actor, and
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: people that didn't have any act talent in acting, you
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: couldn't convince them. Otherwise they thought they could do it.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: Everybody thought they could act because acting is essentially just talking.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: It's just pretending to talk when you know, like you know,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: people do it so badly, so bad, but they don't
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: think they do right. Thing that you can't discern. In
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: a way, it's a little bit like comedy, Like you
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: see a guy like Ron White tell a story on
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: stage and it's so effortless and hilarious that you think, oh,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: he's not even trying. I can do that. I tell
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: stories My stories a go too, and you think you
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: could go do it because you don't understand what's actually happening.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: It's just confusing you. It's tricking you.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: Well, that whole routine, like the idea of like like
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: writing a monologue, seems so obscure to me. Like I
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: feel like I can be funny in a scenario where
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: it's like people are talking and you have something to
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: bounce off of. Yeah, But to get up there and
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: do a monologue by yourself like that, it feels so
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: alien to me.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: To you because you're smart, but to a dumb dude
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: who sees that, he's like, I could do comedy. And
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: so there was all these people that were just looking
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: at comedy and also looking at acting as a pathway
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: to getting attention. And then it really got fucked with
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: social media. So when I was leaving, but like a
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: year or two before I left, I was thinking about leaving,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: I was like, I got to get out of here.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: And then I remember I was at a steakhouse and
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: these people were there and people were taking pictures of them.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: I'm like, what is this And someone said, I don't
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: even think it was a TikTok influencer. I think it
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: was a vine influencer, Like this is a vine influencer.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: I was like, what does that mean, Like what do
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: they do? And it's like, oh, they dance, they dance
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: around and like people are here. I'm like, what are
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: you talking about? Like this is nuts. So it became
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: another way that you could get famous. You could just
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: get famous by doing pranks or being obnoxious or you know,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: taking your clothes off and yelling in traffic, like and
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: so everybody was just trying to get famous. When you
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: get out of there, you come to a place like Austin,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: there's this relaxation because they're just people. All that's gone.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: No one here is trying to get famous. It's very
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: rare that someone's trying to get famous. And then if
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: you can insert a comedy community there that really values
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: the process and the results of the art, that's what
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: we're really all about. We're really all about killing all
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: that other stuff comes. The reason why Shane Gillis is
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: the number one comic in the world is because he
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: works hard and he's really fucking funny, and the process
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: yields an amazing result and amazing so sincere, super sincere.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: But the point is, like he doesn't give a fuck
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: about fame, Like he's not trying to get famous. Yeah,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: I know him, Like, it's just not something that happened
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: when we were joking, right, bro, Fame sucks like the
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: cream room the other night talking about how much fame
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: sucks in some ways, I'm like, you can handle it.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: You'll be fine. You're gonna handle it.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: It's such a different experience, like as a as a painter,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: like nobody really knows what you look like, not much, luckily,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: but there's some sense of stress to that. I mean,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: I've even experienced a little bit with like hanging out
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: with you a couple of times of like people coming
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: up like, fuck, this is so weird, Like why like
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: why do people.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: Act like this act they get weird. Well, that's the
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: thing also that people like about being famous. They want
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: people to be uncomfortable around them. They want to be
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: extraordinary without even trying. You know, it's a it's a
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: weird thing, man. It's a weird thing that has existed
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: with royalty, you know, it's kind of the same thing.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: It's like this desire that people have to be exceptional
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: and stand above everyone else for almost no reason. And
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: the fame thing in Hollywood was the thing that was
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: holding the art form of comedy back too, because there
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: was this velvet prison that existed that if you were
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: a good boy or a good girl and you drew
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: between the lines and you didn't say anything too crazy,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: you could get a sitcom or you could get a
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: TV show.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: You could see that, right show where people just like
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: people who want to be actors take that comedy route.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah they do, but also really good comics tone their
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: shit down. They don't say what they act actually think
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: it's funny anymore. Yeah, they say what they think they
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: can get away with and still get a TV show.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: Well, that's something that I noticed at the show of
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: like having everybody's phones in the Faraday bags or whatever
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: those are, like allows people to be a little bit
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: more honest and it doesn't direct or like really say
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: what they want to say.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: And more importantly, it allows the audience to totally lock in. Yeah,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: because for a lot of these people it's the only
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: two hours of their whole life where they're not going
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: to be on their phone other than sleeping. You know,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: when you're when you're locked in and you're a live show,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: it's so fun, it's so good, it's the correct move
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: for everybody. It's a correct move because of course everyone
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: is working on new material and you don't want to
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: get released before it's done because new material takes forever. Yeah,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: it's like it'll take months for a bit to and
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: sometimes it sucks at first or it's offensive, like something's
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: wrong with that. I gotta figure out a way that
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: people are not mad, because that's not what I'm trying
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: to say. Yeah, and you could figure it out, but
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: it just takes a bunch of different iterations. And if
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: someone fucking videotapes it and puts it up, it's like
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: they did with Louis c k when he first came back.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: It screws up the whole process. It's like you're ruining
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: that for literally millions of people because it's eventually going
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: to get on Netflix and people are going to see it,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: but it's going to take time. It's not a simple process,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: and we have to do it in front of people.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: That's the interesting thing about that art form too, Like
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: you got to work shit out and in front of humans. Yeah,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: it's not it's I'm sure what, Like the writing process
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: in your head feels so much different.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of processes. This is the on
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: stage writing process, there's the writing process in your head,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: and there's the idea process, which is the trickiest one
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: because the most difficult thing with comedy really is coming
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: up with a subject that's actually interesting to you. Yeah,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: where you really find humor in it. And if those
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: are the ones when I can really find humor in
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: something like, that's the ones that I dig into the
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: most because I'm enjoying the shit out of the whole
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: process of like uncovering all the ridiculousness.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: But it has to be something where I'm like, what, well,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: that's how it is a painting too, Like I'm entertaining
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: myself first, sure, and then hopefully that connects with people somewhere.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's all together. I think tattooists are
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: like that. I think musicians are like that. I think
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: it's the mea Malt Almostsashi quote. Once you understand the
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: way broadly, you see it in all things.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's beautiful.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: It is beautiful because I think you probably see it
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: in the other things that you do. You see it
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: in your art, you see it in jiu jitsu, and
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: there's people out there that they're seeing it in writing,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: they're seeing it in sculpture. Whatever. There's a thing, whatever
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: it is that allows you to get really good at
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: the thing that you love. That thing takes over while
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: you're doing it, and you're almost not there anymore. You're
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: almost like a passenger. Yeah.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's when you know you hit the good spot.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: Like if I'm a big Bukowski fan, and on his
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: gravestone it says, don't try, like that's the insignia. And
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: then it's like a pair of boxing gloves.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: Another guy famous drunk.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: All of my favorite writers are self destructive. I don't
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: know why, but they are. Oh.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: I found this the other day about Hemingway. Hemingway always
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: thought that the FBI was trying to get him, and
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: apparently apparently they actually were. Really, yeah, they actually were.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: He thought that he was here. I'll send this to you, Jamie.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: You saw it the day. Oh, here goes. The FBI
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: investigated Ernest Hemingway for decades, with surveillance beginning the nineteen
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: forties due to concerns about his activities in Cuba and
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: his associations with individuals suspected of Communist ties. Will initially
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: dismissed his paranoia. It was later revealed that Hemingway's fears
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: were grounded in reality, and the FBI did monitor him,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: even tapping his phones and intercepting his mail. The surveillance
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: continued throughout his later years, including his time in the hospital,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: and may have contributed to his mental anguish and suicide.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: Damn you you can't fucking what about booze depression? Severe
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: depression forty two to seventy four? They studied them. What'd
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: you learn? That's wild? That's that thing.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: There's that like there's a meme or like somebody saying that,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: Like you have to beware of the artists because they
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: associate with everybody, you know, like they're not just locked
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: into like an upper class society. Like they're like even
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: like where I was staying, Like I made friends with
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: like three or four homeless guys just out on the
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: street that I just kept seeing around town from being
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: around you know, like like we associate with everybody. There's
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: no like hierarchy of class.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: Well, I think if you really want to be open,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: like really open, you have to encounter a lot of
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: different kinds of humans. Yeah, you know, if you really
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: like if you especially if you're a comic because you
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: want to or a writer, if you want to understand people,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: you have to interact with them.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because especially as a writer, like you only have
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: your own experience. If you just write your own experience,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: it's just gonna come off as like every character as
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: you exactly like to put yourself in the head of
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: somebody else.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like you have to be open.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to be and have like a certain
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: form of empathy right to even understand how somebody else feels.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: Well, that's why there's the contradiction of the star comedian.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: Like that's where things get weird, like the star comedian,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: because if you're a star and everybody's you, like, oh,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: Jerry Sein found you. Yeah, take the pictures like you're
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: walking the red carpet, You're like, you gotta be down
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: with the people. You got to be in the nitty gritty.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: You gotta find some trenches.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: You better figure out the trenches because if you don't.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: And I think if you think about like my favorite comedians,
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: they were all self destructive too, Yeah, all of them.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: Richard Pryor s Hoover lit himself on fire. Like that's
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: about a self destructive game. Yeah, Kennison cocaine and alcohol, Hicks,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: lots of drugs and then cigarettes. Still he got pancreatic cancer.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: They were all at least some way fighting some fucking
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: thing inside their head. Yeah.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: It makes me wonder, like how much of it is,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: Like maybe that empathy is too much, maybe that maybe
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: you feel too much, you know, and you gotta you
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: gotta kind of So.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: There's the there's just the stress of the job itself.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: Like especially when you find success, right, because you got
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: to keep that.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: You gotta also still be putting out new stuff. So
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: you got a chance to see me. I'm this is
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: all new stuff, right, this is the stuff that didn't
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: It wasn't on my Netflix special. So it's all in development.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: It's all like and that process is it's fun. I
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: love it, don't get me wrong. But like before I
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: go on stage, I'm amped up, I'm pacing, I'm moving around,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: I'm listening to NOAs, I got some music playing, I'm
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: getting my dance on, I'm having an espresso. I'm fucking breathing. Huh.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: I want to get ready.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: That's why I always feel a little awkward in the
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: green rooms, Like I don't want to be too, Like
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: I'd be like, Hi, okay.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: Listen, you're cool in the green room. You know how
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: to handle some dudes that are a real problem. Yeah,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: some dudes would start telling really terrible stories in the
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: green room and you're like, oh my god, this is
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: so boring. We gotta get them mine. But the green
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: room is supposed to be just for comics, you know,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: and sometimes people will bring in people that are not
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: supposed to be in the green room.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: And like, I was actually telling a story about that
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: yesterday when we were all at the American Comedy Co
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: in San Diego, when Doug was doing that Doug Benson
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: was doing the.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: Chronic Con documentary. Do you remember that?
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: Not really fucking long ass time ago. But some guy
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: came in who I don't know, like a fucking investor,
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: like somebody she's coked up, right, I don't know. He
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: grabbed a bud Light bottle as though it was a bomb.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: He was like, where's the weed, and like like he
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: was gonna like smoke a bong load out of this
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: bud Light beer bottle. Up the bottle, broke it everywhere,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: like made a fucking scene.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: Everyone's like, the fuck is this guy? Like what is
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: going on?
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: Like just the like way that people wackt so fucking
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: strange when they feel almost like they have to perform
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: but their performance is horrible.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't think it's that. I think they just
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: that guy was on drugs. I think man. Also, I
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: think they get in their documentary, they get anxious, right, Yeah,
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: people just get weird. They don't know what to do. Yeah,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: we're fucking strange. There's a fucking people that are barely
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: keeping it together out there. Dude.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: Sometimes I think that's me, but just just barely hanging on.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: You know, No, you're fine, Yeah, you're fine. But I
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: think every artist feels like that. Yeah, every artist feels
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: like it's one thing that they could do one day
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: that's going to ruin their fucking life. They're always like
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: that close to just like it's all just like this
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: keeping it together thing that you have in your mind,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: you know, and you have to have you have to
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: have some process that you do that keeps you on
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: the work and not on the self destructive path. Because
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: if you're a person that like maybe has a drug
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: issue and you're fighting that off and as long as
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: you work all the time, like you're cool, like you.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: But then if you wake up late that one day
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: and you're like, there's a fucking one hit, I'd be
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: good for just one little fuck it? Whoa just a
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: little tipsy. I could stop in the beginning, I was
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: only doing it every now and then you know, I
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: can just go back to just like moderation. I think
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: it's good. You know, it really gives me a little
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: pep up when I need it. And you yang addiction,
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: maybe a doctor gives you a little adderall like the
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: adderall is good, but two pills is better. Three pills
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: is really I get so productive. I think I can
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: get my company off the ground if I could just
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: really concentrate with these three pills. Yeah, and then then
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: then you're fucked. Then you're fucked. So it's like it's
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: this balance that we all have. And it's not just artists,
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: it's just people in life.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: It's like dealing with insecurities. Whatever the insecurity is, you
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: could fucking mask it with you know, some drug or
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: alcohol or whatever, or you could lean into it and
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: be like, okay, I feel this way by by accept that,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: what can I do?
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: I think the problem is the term insecurity, because like,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: good lord, everything is insecure, like the secure things. A
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: lot of secure things are really boring. I mean these
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: secure things that are awesome, you.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: Know, Yeah, but there's a lot of that.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: That's it's that's not what it is. It's uncertainty. Uncertainty
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: is what freaks you out. The options that are possible,
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: the things that the possible results, the variables, all the
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: different things.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's going to handcuff play.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: But you got to learn how to handle that, you know.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: I used to when I was teaching. When I was
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: teaching martial arts, I taught a lot of kids and
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: I had a lot of kids compete in tournaments. I
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: really loved doing that. I really loved it when they
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: really got into it and they got better and I
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: could see them improving and then winning tournaments. It was amazing.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: But I remember I would some kids would really struggle
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: with competition, and I would tell them that's because you're smart.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: And I go, you see these people that are not
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: worried about this. They don't know what can happen to them.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: They're delusional. They think they're gonna be okay no matter what.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: But you're smart, you know that this is dangerous. That's good.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: You just have. You got to use that. You got
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: to just hang on to it, use it, and then
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: get in there and you'll be fine. Once the fight starts,
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: You're not gonna be scared anymore, which is weird. When
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: the fight starts, then hey, it's just happening. It's just happening,
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: and it's all automatic, and it's all your You know,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: you have instincts and you have an understanding of the game,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: but you also have just just dialed in technique. That's
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: all it is. It's all about the execution of all
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: the things you've practiced, and it all just happens. But
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: the lead up is so bad, the anxiety before when
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: you sit in the locker room waiting for your time,
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: and I would just tell them, I would go just
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: you got to understand this sucks, but this is just
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: something if you just can accept that this is here,
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: except that it's here, and recognize that this is a gift,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: and this is here because you're smart. And the reason
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: why you're worried about all these possibilities is because you're
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: intelligent enough to recognize that that's the thing.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're looking for the outcomes and then figuring out
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: way that's kind of what I was talking about before,
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: like predicting outcomes and figuring out solutions to problems that
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: have yet to occur. Yeah, like when you're thinking that
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: far ahead, like that's it's a different chess game.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And you and the dull minded nitwitz out there
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: that don't have any fear, there's a reason they don't
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: have any fear, because they don't have the capacity to
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: comprehend all the possibilities. Yeah. So if some guys like
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: doesn't know how to fight at all. You've seen this
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: one hundred times on videos online and he gets in
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: someone's face and that guy's like panck, just crack something
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: like that dull minded shithead, he is not the fearful one.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: The he's not the intelligent one. The intelligent people are fearful.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: You should be fearful. It's good. It helps you, especially
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: if you're about to do something difficult, and you should
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: do difficult shit, because it teaches you about yourself. And
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: if you don't learn about yourself, you're always gonna wonder.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: And that's the problem with like a lot of men
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: in the world, a lot of chest puffy, a lot
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: of like fucking really arrogant, aggressive people like it's because
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: they don't know themselves, so they're trying to impose a
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: version of themselves on other people to be respected.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you find this.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: In these fucking like business CEOs and execs who are
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: like really aggressive and the weigh eighty pounds, Like this
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: is what this is. It's like they're they're finding a
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: way to try to figure out who the fuck they are.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: They don't even know themselves.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: And that's one of the things I like, I fucking
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: know myself, Like spend so much time with myself in
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: like a clear sort of frame of thought, knowing my limitation,
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: knowing what I've accomplished when I was even more limited.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: Like if anything, that's I think this whole process is.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: That's the difference process between an artist and like say,
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: someone who wants to be famous, or somebody who wants
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: to be worshiped, someone who wants to be the head
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: of a company or the president of the United States,
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: or somebody wants to be beyond reproach.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: Nobody who wants to be president should ever be president.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: One hundred percent, Yeah, yeah, it should be. But then again, yeah,
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: you know, if you got like some some truly benevolent
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: dictator that we're all waiting for. We're waiting for, like
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: the benevolent leader. It was just going to take control
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: of it, but do it for the people, you know,
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: Marcus Aurelius, someone who just really really does have the
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: people's best wishes in mind.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: Human greed is too fucking strong.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: It's too strong, and anybody that's willing to go through
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: that process, that brutal process, you know, like all the
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: stuff that's in the news today, I mean there's still
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: there's possible legal ramifications of things that happened in the
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: twenty sixteen election that we're hearing about today. It's like
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: these people are gross, like you whole thing. It's it's
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: the opposite of the Austin comedy community. So like, if
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: we had to choose a president of the Austin comedy community,
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: it wouldn't be that hard. Like whoever wins is great.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: You know, if Shane wins, great, if Duncan wins great,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: who are you gonna elect who cares? Everyone's cool, But
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: the presidential world is like no, no, no, no, no no.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: You have the backings of enormous, enormous military industrial complex corporations,
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: enormous amounts of money. Pentagon budgets beyond comprehension. It's going
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: to be a trillion dollars this year.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: What does that even fucking mean?
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: What does this mean? So like the ability to be
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: at the helm of that, Like there's gonna be no
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: cooperation with the left and the right. And you're seeing
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: what happens when one group gets into power. What's the
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: first thing they did? Like what they do when they
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: got into power. They immediately went after Trump. They hit
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: them with a ton of different fucking legal charges. Most
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: of them didn't make any sense. The fuck. All the
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: crazy shit about overestimating is property and Mara lago, like
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: that is the way they we're using the law is like,
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: oh my god, people are gross. Yeah, on both sides,
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: on both fucking sides.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: That's the whole system is so fucking corrupted And it's
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: so obvious. Like we're at a stage where like we
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: have enough information to see like that how much greed
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: and money just corrupts the system.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: But we I don't think we really got to see
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: it until Trump ran. I think you got to see
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: it unveiled in a way when Trump ran that you
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: never got to see before. Because also you got the
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: rise of independent journalism that happens at the same time,
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: people that report just on the facts, not like this
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: CNN fucking lean or the Fox News lean, but just
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: like just reports on exactly what's happening and how it happened.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: That just didn't exist before. So you get an understand
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: if you're paying attention and you follow those people, and
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: a lot more people are than ever before, you get
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: a way different understanding of how gross this game is.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: And because the guy was so polarizing, and because he
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: was such an easy guy to turn into a Nazi
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: like you, like you pointed to him, You're like, this
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: is this is our fuck him. Look out of the
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: way he talks. He's going to ruin the world. There's
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: a threat to democracy. We could do anything we can
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: to stop him. So what do they do. They stop
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: all the primaries. They don't have real primaries anymore. They
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: haven't had a real primary since twenty twelve. They rig them.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: They rig it with Bernie Sanders, they rig it with
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: RFK Junior. You know, they're just the whole business is gross.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: It's gres ghos.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: I wish us as humans were all like together enough
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: to just self govern.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: You would need you would need people to enter into
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: politics at the highest level that didn't need the money
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: and really were good people that really wanted to just
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: change the tone of how everything is governed. And that's
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: gonna be so hard to do because the money is
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: so nuts. And then I think, do you see the
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi thing, the new one?
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: She was being interviewed, and then it was like, I
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: didn't want to talk about that.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: Put that on Anna Zeguber. He sneaks it in. She's like,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: I came in here, you could talk about the anniversary
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: of Medicaid, like she cares about Medicaid. She's worth an
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: estimated four hundred million dollars.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: Now, how what's the salary seventy year, seventy grand a year,
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: something like that, two hundred grand a year maybe, you know.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: But watching the panic in her face realizing that Trump
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: is now president and they're they're talking about literally going
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: after her for insider trading and the under deniable evidence
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: that they have had better results on the stock market
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: than literally anyone ever and they have access to information
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: about laws are going to be passed. If that's not
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: entire trading, what the fuck is?
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: And that's what I mean the greed. The level of
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: greed is so strong that.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: You got that video.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: She might even have good intentions getting off.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: Shut the fuck up, Shut the fuck up anybody any
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: shut your fee system, demons that corrupts. Yes, the minute
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: you get in, I think so. I think if you
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: want to succeed like what happens, maybe you have these idealistic,
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: you know, perspectives on how politics works or what you
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: can do in your contribution, and then you get in
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: and you're like, oh Jesus, yeah, it doesn't work. Have
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: to survive, you know. Like I've had candid conversations with
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: Tulsa Gabbart about what it was like. And she's a
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: person she tries to be friends with everybody, tries to
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: reach across the aisles. She's got that whole a looha spirit.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: And she was like, it's crazy, like the just the
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: amount of backstabbing that's going on. Like when she got
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: into office, like first of all, you realize like you're
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: not really in control of everything, because there's another person
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: who's in control of each individual department, and they'll stop
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: whatever you're trying to do every step of the way.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: They get in the way of everything, And what are
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: you going to be going to replace everybody, and how
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: you gonna find qualified people to take those jobs. This
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: guy's been at that fucking he's been the cizar of
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: this commission for twenty five years, so he knows like
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: all the ties and all the financial agreements. Here, let's
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: watch this because it's so funny. Let me just read
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: what he said.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry that we had some sort of techniclistion Nancy
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 3: Pelosiho became right.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 5: I might have to read that we were to talk
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 5: about the sixtieth anniversary of Medicaid. That's what I agreed
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 5: to come to talk. Yeah, but I wanted that means
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 5: in the election.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: I wanted to give you a chances to respond. He
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: accused you of insider trading. What's your response to that?
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 5: It's very ridiculous. In fact, I very much support this
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 5: stop the training of members of Congress, not that I
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 5: think anybody's doing anything wrong. If they are, they are
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 5: prosecuted and they go to jail. But because of the
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 5: competency it stills in the American people don't worry about this.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 5: But I have no concern about the obvious investments that
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 5: had been made over time. I'm not into it. My
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 5: husband is, but it isn't anything to do with anything
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 5: inside her. But the president has his own exposure, so
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 5: he's always projecting. He's always projecting, and let's not give
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 5: him any more time on that. Please move going forward here.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 5: And I'm very proud of my family. And while he
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 5: might make fun of us, while somebody inspired by him
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 5: breaks into our home and hits mysband in a deadly fashion,
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 5: hits my husband over the head, and he thinks that's
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 5: a riot, I'd rather not go into some of my
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 5: other complaints about him right now, rather to talk about
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 5: the sixtieth anniversary of medical.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: First of all, what crazy projection. She immediately turned herself
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: into a victim. She immediately like went from Jake Taber's like,
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: what's your response? This is ridiculous. Another thing was insider
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: and I think we have four hundred million dollars whatever, whatever.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: What's really important is Trump inspired a man who broke
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: First of all, how do you know that guy was
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: a literal crazy person that broke into that house. Yeah,
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: that was a weird sophrenic. He had a hammer, he
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: smashed the back window, he broke into the house. Paul
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: thought that he could talk the guy down. It looked
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: like Paul had a drink in his hands, so he's
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: probably a little lit. Yeah, probably a little more calm
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: than he should have been. And then the cops are
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: at the door and the dude hits him in the
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: head with a hammer. That guy was a crazy person.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: You're blaming Donald Trump for that? No, that's so nuts
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: that you have gone from you made an insane amount
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: of money. A lot of people say, you're inside of trading.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: What's your response to, my husband got to hit the
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: hand of the hair? Funny? You know it's because they
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: it's all because the president has a lot of exposure.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: Because it's funny, Trump does the same shit with her
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: if he's on the hot seat, Nancy Pelosi, you know
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: it's a They all have that like natural deflection.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: Man, it's like and it's like we all fucking accept
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: it somehow, like we might make fun of it or
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: like be like, because my bullshit meter goes off all
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: the time, Like you're fucking lying to me right now.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: You can see it.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: There's a reason why that whole ability to trade stocks
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: is still in position, and it's because they want it there.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: They make a shit ton of money did you have.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: They have to figure out at what point in time
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: is just too dangerous And who's willing to like make
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: this a law, who's willing to change this? And are
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: the what politicians are going to sign on board for that,
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: because they're actually voting against their own self interests, right
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: if they all decide like it's like they're playing chicken,
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: like as long as they don't do it. As long
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: as they don't do it, then they could still make
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: a ton of money. But if you look at the numbers,
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: like if you look at like who's making money on
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: the stock market, it is not all Nancy Pelosi. It
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: is red blue, red blue, red blue. It's pretty much
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: down the middle.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, as long as you could skirt the legalities,
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: why would you not take information that you have gained
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: and tried to utilize it to your improvement?
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: And you're hanging out with Harry the senator from fucking
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: South Dakota or whatever, and Harry's got a yacht, Like,
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: how did you get a yacht, Harry? Like, you know,
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: the Bobby's got his own private jet? How'd you get
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: your own jet? Bob? You're a congressman, Like, what are
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: you doing, and those people that are able to generate
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: that kind of wealth, and I think she's like the
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: poster girl for it, unfortunately, but it's not her, Like
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: who's made the most? Yeah, let's find that out an
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: article here.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: I don't know if this is officially the most, but
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 3: there's people that have made more than her.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure they have. Where does it say though memory? Okay,
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: more than twenty members made almost double the S and
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: P five hundred average gain, which is crazy.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you told me it's like twenty five percent
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: more of a percentage more.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: David Rowser, Republican North Carolina. Debbie Wasserman Schultz Democrat Florida.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: Ron Wyden, Democrat Oregon. Roger Williams, Republican Texas. That's the point.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: It's like, it's not blue, it's not red. It's just
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: corruption across the board. They're all doing it. If you're
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: making more than fifty percent, that's bananas. That's bananas. Yeah,
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: Like what is their hold on? Scroll the back down?
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: Scroll down? Okay, look at this. The Pelosi one and
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: almost cult like following for her financial disclosures saw the
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: value of her household's portfolio rise by seventy one percent
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: in recent years, Like that kind of trading is super unusual. Yeah,
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: to make more than double the average gain of twenty
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: four point nine, so make more than fifty percent. That's crazy.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: Nobody does that.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: No, and how do you explain that?
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: And how do you explain those supervisious Yeah, when you
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: look at the decisions, like she dumps stock and then
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: three months later, some big bill comes down the line
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: that fucks that company, she buys stock, and then three
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: months later some big bill that comes down that you know,
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: they're they're funding for this new project. It's crazy. More
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: than a dozen US officials sold stocks before Trump's tariff
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: sent the market plunging. Of course they did.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: How about when Trump tweets out to buy remember that,
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: Oh that's crazy. Yeah, it's like, hey, don't do that.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: And it's crazy that he's in his own money too,
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: how about And yet's.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: Still like poor people are sitting here arguing about who's
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: the better person, Like it's fucking wild, Like they're all
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: corrupt and they're all fucking.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: Us, some less than others, some are, some are allowing
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: a certain you know.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: And that's I think that's when you see like the
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: south Park episode with Trump, Like, I know, we're not
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: saying we're not in a fascist state yet, you know
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: what I mean, Yes, we're still Okay exactly, we're still
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: as as south Park.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: Exists, real, okay, yeah, yeah, I mean, look, it's all weird, man,
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: because this system is completely fucked. It's completely fucked, and
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: we don't want it to be and they want it
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: to stay the way it is. And so there's this
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: weird thing where they have to get elected. So to
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: get elected, they have to say the things that we
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: want them to say. And so then when we believe
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: it every year, like fucking Charlie Brown going to kick
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: that football, Lucy pulls it away. Cut.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: But what's the weirdest thing to me is that we're
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: in this complete shifting of the polls where the Republicans
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: now are in favor of free speech. The Republicans want
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: to end the wars, they want to stop contributing to
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: foreign countries. They you know, they're they want comedy to
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: be comedy again. They don't want restrictions on people's behavior
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: and thinking. Yeah, and the Democrats have developed this sort
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: of like cult like idea of what everyone should accept
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: and what's normal and what's not normal, and what needs
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: to be what needs to be elevated in our population,
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: and what needs to be ignored. And it's just like,
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: god damn, you guys are you're ruining it for everybody
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: that thinks in a left way, like anybody who's reasonable,
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: like a reasonable left thinking person, which is most artists,
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: by the way.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: And then you get to this point where you're like, no,
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: I can't go along with you on all these things. Yeah,
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: you guys are, You're You're just a bunch of fucking
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: assholes who are using these subjects as a way where
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: you can behave incredibly shitty, incredibly uncharitable, like vicious, mean,
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: ostracizing people from soci I don't want any part of you,
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: and I'm any part of the way you guys think
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: and behave. And you to pretend that you're doing it
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: for good, you're doing it for you're gluing yourself to
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: the wall for climate change. The fuck you are. You're
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: just a nut. You're just a crazy, entitled nut, and
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: you're fucking up society. This is not the way that
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: people should be behaving. And I can't believe it makes
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: people go to the other. And the Republicans are smarter
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: about it now in this day and age, because they're like, hey,
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: we'll take in. Hey, it's fine, come over to us.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: You could say whatever you want. Comedy's back.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: It's a big ebb and flow. To me, it's like
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: it's like some weird natural balance of like things shift
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: a little bit to the left, you shift.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: A little bit to the right, but we got to
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: hold the center.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: If we motherfuckers could just figure out, like we're so,
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: we have so much in common people just generally who
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: would be considered more left or more right, and it's
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: just a few things that really are the basis of
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: our our contention.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: Well, the real problem is the team aspect of it.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: That's the it's fucking retarded.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, yeah you could say it. Why don't I'm
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: you're joking. Thank god, you're joking. Some people panic, Please
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: edit that out. No retards back. It's just you know,
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: I think it's gonna take time, but I think we're
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: gonna eventually get to a place where we work it out.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: And my best hopes of AI is my best hopes
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: because it could just ruin the whole world and take
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: over everything, and we could become slaves. But my best
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: hopes are it gets to a point of efficiency and
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: intelligence where corruption like that is impossible, and it figures
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: out a way to organize government spending in a way
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: that actually helps.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: Us, because that's what we want. The left and the
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: right both want, like our tax dollars to be used
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: to benefit the like everyone, Yes, unless.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: You're running a business and you can get an advantage.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: And that's where it gets gross because those people can
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: tell me so much. And I think AI is probably
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: gonna recognize that. It's gonna say, listen, you want to
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: really fix this, you have to stop this competitive advantage.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: Well, it's our ape genes, right, we're just fucking more
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 2: advanced apes, that's it. And we still have, you know,
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: a tribal mentality that's encoded in our fucking DNA, and
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: we have to we have to elevate above that.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: And that just takes like avoiding greed, which also it's like.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: What you do when you paint, is you focus on
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: creating this thing, like this is what you're focused on.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: What they're focused on is numbers in a bank account,
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: and they're focused on getting those numbers in there, and
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: they're fucking obsessed with getting those numbers in there. So
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: all those other steps that they do, like you're trying
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: to figure out your painting, you're trying to like brush
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: techniques and different things, and you're trying on different angles,
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: maybe shadowing it differently. What they're doing is trying to
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: figure out how to push this and push that and
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: get this politician to make this legal and that way
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: they can make more money. And then Nancy Pelosi's like,
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: we're going to pass it. Paul, put in the in
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: the wager because it's basically wagering, right, you know, put
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: it in this to buy the stocks. It's gonna roll.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: But if you have all the cards marked.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah it is, and it's it's fucking it's a real
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: unfortunate thing. And how do you avoid that? Because you
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: really you want corporations. You want them to make Apple
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: fucking laptops and shit, you want a Samsung TV. You
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: want these things, right, So how do you how do
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: you motivate how do you get people that are motivated
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: to make the best products in the world and every
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: year make them better and not have them think only
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: about making money to the point where they're willing to
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: bribe politicians so that they can pollute a river in India.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's what's so different about artists.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: It's like we.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: I always I would make paintings my whole life. Nobody
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: bought them, nobody gave a shit about them. I would
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: still make them and would give them away or put
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: them in a fucking closet somewhere like we. For me,
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: I saw like art as a way that maybe I
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: could get out of the area that I was in,
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: like I could grow a little bit. But at the
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: same time, like doing the work was what was important,
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: and what came with that was secondary. It was all
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: just added bonus. Right, So like if I worked, if
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: I was selling fucking wheels or car tires, like I
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: would only be thinking about them. How much money can
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: I make?
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: That's the problem, especially if it's not if you're not
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: like a wheel and car tire enthusiasts. One thing, I
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: love it. Yeah, Like I know dudes who work on cars,
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: and they fucking love it, especially builders like my friend
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: Steve Strope who's been on the podcast before, who made
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: my Nova. That guy loves working on cars. He loves it.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: I mean that is his art. But he makes custom
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: made cars, And it's like, to him, is just like
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: making a song, It's just like making a painting. But
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: when you're only thinking about money, man, those are the
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: people that are the hardest to hang out with. Like
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: you ever hang out with financial people? Like you ever
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: get stuck at a party in New York with a
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: coked up financial guy?
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: Have you seen this fucking uh Derek Muney bird fella?
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: Oh? Is he the jiu jitsu guy? Yeah?
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: I got his black belt in three and a half years.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: Right, but he is? Is he legit? Because he's with
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: legit people? So I can't imagine.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: Shields is a savage like all the respects Jake says
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: he's legit. I think Jake gave him his black belt.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: Well, then he's legit. There's no way I know Jake.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: There's no way Jake is his jiu jitsu is top
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: of the food chain. Yeah, and I know Gordon is
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: trained with him. I know all these other people trained.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: Uh do is over there with him.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: I haven't heard anybody say anything negative. So here's the thing.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: Someone who is like super rich, which apparentially this guy is,
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: who trains with the best trainers in the world and
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: actually puts the time in every day. It's super easy
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: to dismiss someone because they're rich, Super easy. Yea. Zuckerberg
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: is a primary example the right. I know for a
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: fact Zuckerberg trains really fucking hard, and he goes with
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: real guys, and he brings in people like Dave Camerrio
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: trains with him. He's trained with a ton of people,
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: so he takes it very seriously, has access to incredible trainers,
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: and he's an obsessive. He's a very competitive, obsessive person. Sure,
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: so you could say, oh, he's got two hundred billion dollars,
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: he can't kick my ass, fuck you up. That nerdy
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: dude will fuck you up. And it's because he's actually
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: put in the time. Now, he doesn't have the time
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: that this Derek money Burke guy has. If this guy's got,
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: if he's putting in like hours and hours every single day,
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: which is what I heard that he was like literally
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: training multiple hours a day every fucking day at jiu jitsu,
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: you can get to black belt level. I don't know
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: if he is, you know, but I know that if
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: those guys say he is, I believe them.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: I told somebody was like, let me just see him
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: do an arm bar from clothes guard. Let me just
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: see how sloppy that.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: Is, and then I'll know for sure or not sloppy
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: at all.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, then exactly right.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: Why doesn't he just like show some drill, That's all
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: it would take. You don't even have to show me
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: you rolling. Let me see some tight drills, that's all. Yeah,
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: let me see you go through. But you know he
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: doesn't have to. But then again, you kind of do
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: have to if you project the fact that you're doing that.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: If you take some sort of like braggadocious sort of
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: like three years, seven months, got my black belt.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: Right, you should probably show something like hey, let me
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: show you guys.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah you know, because I mean because when I started,
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: I was doing fucking to a day to morning class,
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: night class, and yeah, you know, none of that came
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: fucking fast for me.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: But you might not have been the most naturally athletic guy. True, yeah, true,
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: But night classes and day classes are great, but one
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: on one is the ultimate. If you're a guy like him,
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: and you can get John Donnaher to coach you, you
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: can get Gordon Ryan to coach you, you can get
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: all those Jake Shields Allan I've seen photos and videos
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: of him from training sessions with the best guys in
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: the world. If you can get and you're hiring them.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it could be a cheat code or cheat Codeyeah,
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 2: it's if you do it, you actually do the work.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: It's one cheat. But that's the that's the thing, Like
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: you have to actually be training like really hard. It's
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: not as simple as you know those guys. You talk
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: to those guys, they give you the fucking secret handshake,
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: and now you're good at jiu jitsu. Right. The only
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: way to get good at jiu jitsu is hard work.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: That's it. Yeah.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: And I could never see somebody like Jake Shields like
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 2: fucking giving out a belt that wasn't deserved.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: No, no, no. It's like when you hear guy Ritchie
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: is a black belt, you go really and then he
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: hears a Henzo Gracie black belt, you go, oh oh, yeah, okay,
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: yeah he's legit. Yeah he's legit. Yeah. But there's not
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: a lot of fake jiu jitsu black belts out there. Man.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: I feel like we used to see more of them
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: back in the day. There'd be like those funny videos
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: of like somebody just.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: Oh Eddie caught a couple of those. Yeah, there's a
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: bunch of those videos where guy shows up at a
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: school and he's got a black belt on and then
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: he rolls the people and he gets torture.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah that was like before YouTube existed or any social
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: media existed. You kind of get away with it.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I think people they they're crazy. There's certain
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: people that are just completely schizophrenic and they just they
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: get it in their head and they.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 2: Just they're not even trying to like con people. It's
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 2: just they really truly believe in what their their mind
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: is telling them.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: Well, that might be possible, but I think there's also
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: a bunch of people that their whole life is a con.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: It's like a series of lies from the beginning to
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: the end. It's just they never live in the truth,
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: and so for them to put on a black belt,
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: it's just the latest of Yes, I was reading about
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: this guy that like said he was a doctor and
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: like did surgery on people for years. Yeah, there's people
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: that are nuts. Man. There's one out of three pilots
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: in I think it's Pakistan doesn't have a license. They
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: have fake licenses. See that's true. I know I saved
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: the article, but I don't feel like going into my
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: phone again now. But it was like Jesus Christ, Like,
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: imagine you're on a plane and the guy doesn't really know.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: How to fly, Like, yeah, it's fucking horrifying.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: Who's he?
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: How does he figure out how to land that fucking thing?
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, would pull out the amount of intelligence to
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: pull that off? Like you probably could have got your
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: fucking pilot's license.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: Well after a few successful flights. You would think that
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: the guy would just go ahead and get the license.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: You're already doing the thing.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: That's like I see artists in art school.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: I'm like, you're already making art, you know.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 3: How is a story from five years ago, So I
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 3: don't know if it's changed.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: Almost one in three pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses,
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: didn't take the test or oh my god, two hundred
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: and sixty two pilots in the country did not take
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: the exam themselves and that paid someone else to sit
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: in on their behalf. They don't have flying experience, he said.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: Pakistan has eight hundred and sixty active pilots serving in
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: its domestic airlines, including the country's Pakistan International Airlines flagship,
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: as well as the number of foreign carriers.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, how many crashes are they having?
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, if they're keeping them in the air, ambitious dudes.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes sometimes you don't need a diploma.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: Found that out because of a crash, all right, Jesus Christ,
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's so crazy. People are so nuts, man,
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: If you let them be nuts, they will be nuts.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: I think Actually, you gotta like people don't want any regulations.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: You want anarchy, Like shut your mouth, shut up.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: I have this idea of like an altruistic anarchism where
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 2: it's like everybody just treats everybody kindly and the way
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 2: that you would want to be treated.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: That would be great.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's so it's our fucking ape mind is
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 2: there's too many of us that are fucking nuts, yeah,
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: and greedy and like just out for self And I
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: get it, Like it makes sense, like there's a lot
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 2: of self preservation that comes with that. But if we
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: could all just kind of pull pull.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: Shit together, self preservation makes sense when you're surrounded by
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: a bunch of people that are also selfish, Right, That's
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: part of the problem, is like if you if you
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: get lucky and you find a good crew like early
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: on in your life of people who are down with you.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: They're your friends and they love you no matter what.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: Life is way easier. It's way easier. And there's people
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: out there that, man, they don't fucking have that they
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: don't they have a bunch of people around them that suck.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: Just in a form of competition at all times.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a lucky person. I'm a very lucky person,
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: but I think the biggest luck that I have is
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: the people that I've met, my friends. Yeah, because it
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: makes your life so much better.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean it shows like how much you support
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: your friends too, like the idea that if we can
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: all get lifted up together versus I'm gonna step on
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: your shoulders and work my way to the fucking top.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: Right. But not only that, but it also shows that
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: this my way works. You don't. It doesn't hurt you
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: to make other people successful, or to help other people
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: get more successful, or to just to tell people they're
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: awesome and give them there as the kids call their flowers.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: As the kids, I strugg I struggle with that one.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: The young hip hop kids like to say that give
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: them their flowers. But you know, it used to be
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: given their props. But it's like that if you really
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: love that person, that's good for everybody. That's good for
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: you too. Like the people that want to step on
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: that person to elevate themselves, like you're just ruining your
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: own life. You're missing the big picture. And it's not necessary.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: It's not necessary even in a competitive environment, even in
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: something you're competing like your friends. These people that you're
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: competing with, they help you, they really did.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: It's almost a necessity.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: I think it's a necessity with comedy for sure.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: No, I always say this, and no great comedy exists
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: in a vacuum. I mean, there's people that have talent
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: that are in the middle of nowhere and some real
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: small local scene and they could become a great comic
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: one day, but they're not going to on their own.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: They have to be around great comics. They can't just
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: see them on YouTube. They got to see like Davitel live.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: You know, you got to see something like that where
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: you're like whoa. You know, you got to see Colin
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: Quinn live. You got to see these people that are
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: masters and see the thing that they do and get
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: inspired by it so.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 2: To start to learn it. Like understand the process. Like
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: that's the same thing for me. Like I thought I
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 2: was going to be like like do the Sunday comics
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 2: in the newspaper. Like as a kid, like I didn't know.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 2: I didn't know what people did to make money making art.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: Were you into comic books at all?
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: Not really, but I like I was more leaning towards
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 2: that kind of aspect of like this is how you
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 2: can survive, like actually pay your bills and make art.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: But you just wanted to make art.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 2: Wanted to make art, and it took I became an
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: assistant for a really well known artist who you know,
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 2: ran a design firm, did fine art, did like ran
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 2: that like was just like like at the top of
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 2: his game. And I didn't go to art school, but
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 2: I saw what he was doing and a couple other
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: artists like in the same same area of like Okay,
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: you're you're making paintings, You're you're working with these companies
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 2: to do some design. That design money is going back
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 2: into your art practice. Like it was just being able
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 2: to see how something exists and then knowing like okay,
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 2: I could do that, right, We're we're already doing the
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 2: same process. But here's the sort of market of it.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: Here's how, here's how you survive, and here's how you continue.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: To grow and thrive, and how you become a professional.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 2: How you become a professional. But yeah, I mean, for
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 2: if you're you know, in fucking Wyoming somewhere, you might
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 2: not have these people that you see. You might you're
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 2: so disconnected from a community, you might not know. And
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: then you're like, well, I got to give this this
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 2: art thing up and you know, get a job because
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: I got to pay bills. Because you just don't actually
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: have the awareness that there is a pathway.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: And this is the failure of the school system because
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: it never teaches kids that are artists or people that
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: have alternative ways of existing in society that there's ways
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: to make a career.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 2: I got kicked out of the only art class I
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 2: ever took in this uh this motherfucker. We had to
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 2: draw a shoe or something and I turned mine into
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 2: like a robot because I didn't like how the shoe
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: was turning out. And he said, you have to draw
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 2: a shoe or I'm failing you. I'm going to kick
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 2: you out of the class. You have to draw a shoe,
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 2: and I'm just kicked me out then, and I knew,
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 2: like you know, at fifteen sixteen that like art is,
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 2: what I decided is that nobody else can say what
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 2: the fucking rules are, like this is for me to do.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 2: And now I forget his fucking I wish I knew
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 2: I remembered his name and tell him to fuck off.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of those guys that turn people off.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: I had a high school art teacher turned me off
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: to art too. He was just a dick. And then
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: I found out that the most talented guy in the
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: class is kid John DeVore, who I still contact every
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: now and then. We talk on email. He was the
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: most talented guy. He gave that guy an f and
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: I go, no. So it's like I hadn't communicated with
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: John since I left art class. But we did a
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: bunch of stuff together. We did a bunch of drawings together.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: And when do you ever draw out? No, not really, No.
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: I do sometimes with my daughter. One of my daughters
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: is really talented. I draw sometimes with her, but for
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: the most part, no, It's interesting. I did a little
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: drawing on vacation. We were drawing stuff together. It was fun.
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: But you know, I just don't have the time to
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: get obsessed with it. Right now, I'm obsessed with too
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: many things and I manage my I'm.
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 2: Still to start golfing. No no, no, no, no, putting
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 2: his pool on undulated, warped table.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, I understand.
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 2: I get great at it.
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: Listen. I know everybody that I know that I love
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: who's into it is obsessed. And that's part of the problem. Yeah,
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: it's like, I know what's coming, and I know it's
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: like a fucking multiple hour thing. You gotta dress like
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: an asshole or stupid shoes.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 2: You have to dress like an asshole.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: And then I see all these fucking fights where people
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: are fighting on the golf courses. Do you see that
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: drunken guy that got in a with a with a
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: hockey enforcer. First of all, the size of that guy,
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: the fact that you're squaring up and you're just bluffing
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: and you're squaring up with this fucking.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 2: That's one of those spots where people think they're way
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 2: fucking tougher. Is they got a bag full of clubs
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 2: than they actually are. People get out of control on it.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: It's just dudes, it's so dumb, and it's drinking too.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: The guy was clearly hammered, and I think he made
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: a video afterwards apologizing, yeah good because he was just drunk.
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: He's just drunk and he got stupid, but he got
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: stupid with That's what I always tell people, like, don't
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: get in fights. One day. You're gonna get in fight
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: with a guy who knows what he's doing, and you're
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: gonna get fucked up.
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 2: Imagine that fucking fear. Like when he got grabbed by
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 2: that fucking hockey player.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: He got his jacket, he's just fucking hair right hand.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: What a nightmare.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 2: But I hope he was like, wow, I really made
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 2: a poor till now.
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: At that time, he was just drunk as fuck and
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: probably thinking I'm gonna get him back. I'm gonna get
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: him back.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 2: Because I know what that fear feels like when somebody
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 2: really fucking like you know, in a gym scenario, somebody
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 2: really grabs you and you're like, oh fuck, there's nothing
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 2: I could.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: Do right now.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 2: Like I tapped to Big Nog's side control he squeezed
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 2: me so fucking hard it felt like my ribs were
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 2: gonna come out of my mouth. Oh god, And you know,
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 2: I was like a blue belt and maybe he's still
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 2: a white belt, and I tapped to side control. That's crazy,
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: and I started thinking, what if he was fucking punching
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 2: me too.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: Well, Also, he's way bigger.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 2: He was fucking massive.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's way bigger than you. The amount of pressure
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: if you're a really big person you put down on
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: a small person, it's really kind of unbearable.
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 2: But even somebody who's like my same same weight or
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 2: whatever like that, when you really like I'm fucking wrapped
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 2: up and like if this person and wanted to, they
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 2: could end me right now.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah. That was always the most eye opening to
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: me when I would roll with guys who are thirty
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: forty pounds slider than me and they just fucked me up.
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 2: And immediately I was like, I never want to act
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 2: tough in public again ever, like that fear of like, yeah,
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 2: there was somebody I got into. There was a guy
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 2: who was I was in like a time period where
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 2: I was partying a lot. This guy was just being
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 2: a dick to a bunch of people, said something shitty
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 2: to my friend and I'm trying to walk away, and
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 2: it just like my brain was just like say something,
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 2: and I was just like, why are you being a
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: fucking dick, like you know, and he puffed up and
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 2: started coming at me and like he like swiped something
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 2: out of my hand, and immediately my instincts kicked into
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 2: jiu jitsu. I grabbed he had like a like a
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 2: like a flannel on. I grabbed his collar like a lapel,
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 2: and I grabbed his wrist and just getting like immediately
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 2: I was just gonna throw him. And then like the
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 2: other voice in my head is like the guy had
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 2: a dog actually who wasn't on lee And I was like,
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 2: if I throw this guy on his head right now
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 2: and his dog runs in the street, I'm gonna feel
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 2: a little guilty. But I sensed in him that you
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: know when a grappler like grabs your wrists, like you
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 2: feel it, it feels different than somebody else, if.
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: Someone knows what they're doing.
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like immediately grab both and like put the squeeze
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 2: on him. That I could read in his eyes like
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 2: oh that wasn't normal. And then I was like no, no, no,
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 2: like let go. And then he like walked away talking shit.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: And that's glad.
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, perfect, And you know that's really rare
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 2: for me. But it was like he had said something
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 2: shitty to somebody. But to have somebody grab you like
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 2: that and the fear that can come with that, yeah,
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 2: I would never want to experience that in real life.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: No, like.
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 2: Fucking horrified.
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: Well, oh, street fights are stupid, They're terrible, and the
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: people that know how to fight don't do them. They
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: don't want anything to do with it. You should just
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 1: go to a gym. Should go to a gym if
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: you have this desire. Did you see this video recently?
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 3: So yesterday? You guys make me think of it.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 1: What happened this guy on top?
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 3: They're saying, the guy in the bombs of white belt,
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 3: he gets choked out without the use of arms. It's
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 3: all legs here, get.
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: To put the arm. Oh, this is so rude. Why
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 1: is he doing this to a white belt? That's why.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, they're training, I guess I know, but it's rude.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 3: That's for the But go to you guys being experts.
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, Eddie can do that very rude. Well, it's
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 1: kind of rude. It's also that guy is just training.
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: He's just using that guy as a practice dummy. Yeah, triangles,
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: it's kind of rude. But I mean, what do you
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: want to happen if you roll with a white belt.
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: Do you want him to win? Do you want to
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: let him win? No? Like, what do you do? You
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: tap them? You tell them what to do along the way,
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 1: Like you got to protect this arm, this arms in
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 1: a bat spot. Don't reach back like that because you
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 1: open yourself up for the arm triangle. You got to
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: tell them, t rex, keep your arms in tight.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 2: That's how I coach. Yeah, you know, when I'm training
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 2: with somebody, like I'm talking them through it, and I'll
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 2: even I'll do the thing where I tell them when
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 2: I gonna do before I do it, so that they
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 2: can start to work out their defenses and like get
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 2: an idea. That's good because there's a black belt like
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 2: you can beat everybody up. Like that kind of loses
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 2: some of its shine after a while.
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: I think that guy was using that dude as just
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: a training dummy. He was like, yeah, I could just
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: work just working on his legs. Yeah, yeah, because if
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: you can sinch up a triangle, even on a white
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 1: belt with no legs, at least you're getting reps in no. Yeah,
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: and it probably makes it like somewhat more difficult. Better
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 1: than that dummy. I have collecting dust in my gym. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: Dummy back at all, just like you know what I
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: do use though, I'd use that Bubba dummy. You know
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: that thing, the punching dummy. It's like the rubber oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 1: with the big wood. There's something good for that, just
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: target practice. It's good. You can't kick it too hard
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 1: because it falls over. But if you can kick the face,
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 1: you could slap the face.
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's something about those that just you want
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 2: to kind of give them a little bit of the business.
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, fuck you, Bob.
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 2: We have one sitting right next to our boxing ring
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 2: in the gym, and I always post up.
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: And it's really good for practicing certain kicks. It's really
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 1: good for question mark kicks because there's a shoulder element
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: and you're with a question mark kick, you're really trying
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: to go over the shoulder. Yeah, like the Globe Photosa,
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 1: the Futosa one Globe Potosa Fittosa had the absolute best
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 1: question mark kick of all time, and his question mark
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 1: kick would come down on you. It would go over
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 1: the shoulders and just chop down and like that, Bob
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 1: dummy is great for practicing that. It's like the best
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: thing for practicing because the bag is so straight, you know,
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: the bag kicking down like that. It's like it's you
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 1: don't have a real target you do with that bob dummy,
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 1: because you're really trying to get the neck. You're really
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: trying to go over the top and get that neck.
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 2: Just yeah, such a strange looking kick too.
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it works though, man, Yeah, that fucker works.
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 1: That works a lot because like you're worried about that
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: front kick to the guts, so you'll do this, you know,
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 1: or you think a low kick is coming, and then
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 1: it comes over the top and by the time it's
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 1: you don't react to you can you can't react in time.
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like you're already planning to get kicked in the
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 2: leg and by the time you figure it out, it's
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 2: in your ear exactly.
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 1: And the guys that are good with like Luke Rockhold
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 1: has a nasty one. Yeah, guys that are good with
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: it like woof oof, it's just so sneaky over the top.
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 2: Wow, that's another thing. Imagine just running into some tie
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 2: guy who do you think you can throw around? Just
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 2: fucking blast you with the fucking knee.
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 1: Not only that, the trips, they're so good at tying
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 1: up in the clinching and dumping people. Have you ever
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 1: trained with like a guy who's are really good at
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 1: tripping you? Yeah, as soon as you tie up, whoops,
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 1: your leg is up and you're like, motherfuck are you?
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 2: That's what I always want to throw, like flying like
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 2: ankle ducks.
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 1: Well that's the difference between like muy thai and jiu jitsu,
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 1: because in jiu jitsu, okay, you threw me to the
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 1: ground now where it's just started. Yeah, and now I
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 1: have a hold of your leg. Then the referee is
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 1: not gonna stand this up. I'm gonna break your knee. Yeah,
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 1: like you dumb ass, you threw me down with an
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 1: inside control. I have an inside hook. It's like a
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 1: fucking superpower. Too many.
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 2: I'm so glad I found it. Like I owe a
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 2: lot to you. I think, like the way you spoke
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 2: of it, like back then, to like even just to
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 2: get into the gym, because that's the fucking hardest part,
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 2: like like crossing that door path and getting on the mat,
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 2: Like there's so many days where you're gonna be like
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 2: I don't want to do that, Like I don't feel
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 2: like it. But as soon as you get there, it's
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 2: like so worthwhile and so valuable.
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just got to force yourself to do it.
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 1: And that's something I really owe to Eddie. Eddie is crazy,
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 1: you know, like creative and yeah, abstracts as he is.
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 1: He's super disciplined when it comes to his training. He
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 1: was always like super super disciplined.
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 2: But you would see it like my game is is
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 2: very similar to like to Eddie's and like Lucas letch
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 2: like that, just wherever you can get a hold of
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 2: the leg, like I pull. I like to pull the
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 2: quarter guard, you know what I mean, Like I like
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 2: to play from there. And like I'm curious. I want
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 2: to know how many people have the lockdown muscle in
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 2: their fucking calf. No, there has to be there, yeah,
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 2: but I've never seen one. And get that tid bar, dog,
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 2: get that thing.
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 1: Get that thing you put like a little plate on
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 1: it and you lift you lift with your foot. Yeah, legit, man.
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 1: You could do tid bar raises where you just stand
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 1: on your heels and lean against the wall and just
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 1: lift your foot up over and over and over again.
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 1: That does it too, But the tidbar thing, you could
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 1: do it with weight that's it right there. Look at
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 1: that sucker.
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I have that.
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 1: I use that fucker every day. I have both of them.
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 2: I have one of my butterfly.
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Man does this will have a big impact on it.
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 1: And you could also use it to do a leg extension.
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 1: So you could do a leg extension and then you
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 1: could lift the foot at the top if you wanted to,
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 1: so you could actually emulate that you actually do it
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 1: from your back. Now that I'm thinking about it, you
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 1: could put one of those in on each leg and
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 1: you could lie down on your back and you could
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 1: specific yeah, and specifically work butterfly guard. Just some cool
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 1: ways to work out now.
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 1: There's so many amazing people that have like figured out
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 1: ways to protect your knees and protect your back and
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 1: you know, and help your shoulder stability, and just they
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 1: give it away. They give it away online, Like it's
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 1: we have such an amazing resource available now for training.
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 1: I think about, like if you're a young guy, like
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 1: there's these guys that are coming up that have only
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 1: been doing jiu jitsu for like Joseph Chen, I've only
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 1: been doing jiu jitsu for a short amount of time,
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 1: you know, like less than seven years, I think, and dominating.
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 1: Also why because he's obsessed and because he has all
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 1: this information online. Yeah, you can watch so many instructionals.
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 1: There's so many videos of guys pulling things off. You
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 1: can rewind it, watch it again, rewind it, watch again.
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 1: Get together with your friend, okay, put your put your
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 1: hand on the left knee, okay, and then when I push,
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 1: you pull and then what's that? Like? Oh shit, that works?
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 2: And that takes so long if you're just doing it
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 2: like in an organic like training way, but the beauty
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 2: like I like I came up with what a technique
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 2: that I haven't seen or haven't done before that, like
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 2: it can everything continues to evolve even as much as
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 2: we've all trained the same shit for so long, like
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 2: there's still new avenues to or if there's still room
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 2: to be creative.
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 1: Always Like that's one of the cool things that Eddie
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 1: will do. Someone someone pulls something off and they have
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 1: a thing. Eddie will go show me that, show me
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 1: that everybody checked this out, and they'll have the whole
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 1: class gather around and then like, tell me what you're doing,
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 1: talk me through the thing. All I have to do
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 1: is I like to get mission control and then I
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 1: shovel this arm through and then I grip it like
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 1: this and like, okay, try that, and everybody tries it,
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 1: and then Eddie will go do it on me. They're like, huh,
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 1: let me try to do it on you. Huh. Do
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 1: somebody try to get out of this? And then they'll
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 1: try to like workshop it, like would it be better
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 1: with this? Would it be better with that? Like how
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 1: did you get to this spot? Like why did did you?
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 1: Do you have a pathway that you take to get
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 1: to this Do you get to this spot all the time? Huh?
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 2: And that's so similar to your comm and sort of
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 2: community too, like we have that option.
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 1: Well, I think that's why I brought that to the
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 1: comedy community because that was always the way it was
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 1: in gems, like in jiu jitsu and in kickboxing and
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 1: taekwondo and muay Thai, Like people teach you how to
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 1: do stuff.
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 2: And it's so good for us as a like a
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 2: culture too, like the way to interact with people who
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 2: you may never interact with in your day to day
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 2: life ever, like to have that sort of community aspect,
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 2: Like I feel like that draws a lot of people
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 2: in outside of all the other benefits.
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 1: Yes, there's a lot of community to it, and it's
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 1: and it's.
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 2: Such a like vast array of different types of people
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 2: from every culture, from every sort of class level, and
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 2: we all find a common equality, of course, with a
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 2: hierarchy of of experience, but we're all in the same
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 2: boat together.
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 1: Well that's the same with yoga. It's the same with
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 1: a lot of things. Yeah, you know, it's just like
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 1: you find a group of people that have also found
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 1: this very productive, very beneficial thing. Where you going, Marshy, puppy,
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 1: Marshall just woke up.
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 2: I saw your new puppy.
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 1: Oh he's adorable. Jesus Christ. He's Marshall's new buddy. They're
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 1: really fun together. Is it a Cocker Spaniel? No, it's
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 1: a King Charles Spaniel, Marsha Kill me, buddy, marsh show. Everybody,
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 1: come stay hide, everybody come here, come cut. He's tired.
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 2: Long day, you guys go running today today.
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 1: He just just came here to hang out. He's the best.
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 1: Golden Retrievers are the absolute best dogs. They're just all love.
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 1: They just they just want to cuddle with you and
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 1: out with you, and they want to play. But the
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 1: whole thing is just like be with you. Yeah, and
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 1: he's sweet to everybody.
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 2: I wish they lived like one hundred and fifty years.
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 1: They live if you're lucky. Well, he's on a really
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 1: good diet. We're putting him on a farmer's dog. Now
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 1: I'm changing his food. He was on the mave stuff,
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 1: which is great, but he's on a raw food. Yeah,
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 1: to ask you do the raw made a giant yeah,
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 1: giant difference. And the way he looks, the way his
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 1: coat is a giant differences in his energy levels. Yeah,
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 1: you know. Dolls. Well, it's also it's like they're just
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 1: like people. Man, if you have a person and you
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 1: feed them nothing but processed food, they're gonna be sick.
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah day Yeah.
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 1: I mean that stuff just sits on a counter forever,
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 1: it sits on a shelf. You go to the pet
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 1: food store, those bags are just sitting there, like any
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 1: real food shouldn't be just sitting there like that. It's
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 1: gonna rot. So that means that food is nothing live
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 1: in it.
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 2: You know, you got you got to give him the raw. Well,
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 2: like I said, cut it with the with the drive.
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 1: You don't need to this the way they have these
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 1: like with Farmer's dog and with the stuff that he's
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 1: been eating, mave it comes with it's like frozen like
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 1: green beans and blueberries and potatoes and meat. It's fat
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 1: but food, and it just changes everything. Man, they don't
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 1: fart as much like it's it's so much better for them.
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 1: They have way more energy. It's like they're her whole
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 1: his whole body composition changed.
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 2: I love it when people like actually fucking care, like
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 2: their pet isn't just like a fucking decoration.
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 1: Dogs are the best. They're your Your life will be
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 1: more loving if you have dogs. They're just always around,
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 1: They're always cool, They're so consistent, and they they have
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 1: simple needs. Yeah, they just want to be unconditioned.
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 2: They're unconditionally loving all the time.
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 1: Unless you get a working dog. And there's a lot
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 1: of dummies out there that go and get a Belgian
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 1: Malamoo and not understand like, Okay, yeah they're great dogs,
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 1: but you have you have a responsibility now because you
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 1: don't have a regular dog. You have a super athlete.
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 1: You're living with like a canine race car. Yeah, that's
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 1: really what that is. Like. You you can't just leave
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 1: that in the yards.
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 2: You see those people that train those dogs doing the
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 2: little walk in between their legs as they're walking, like.
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, my friend Anthony just got one. He just got one,
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 1: and he's sending me videos of the puppy and I'm like,
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 1: oh my god, this thing is like bro, when they
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 1: jumped the wall. Yeah, they fly, They've gone right up walls.
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's one of those fuckers chasing you.
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hell. There are meat missiles, there's this is
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 1: I'll send this to you. I sent it to I
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 1: sent it. I'll send it to Jamie because I sent
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 1: it to Brian Cowen because me and Brian Collen are
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 1: both retarded and we talk about dogs all day long.
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 1: We talked about like what's the coolest animal. But this
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 1: video shows the difference between how a shepherd, a German shepherd,
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 1: which is also a great dog, approaches something to the
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 1: difference between a Belgian malamoan does. Because have you seen
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 1: it across the chairs and ship. Yeah, I sent it
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 1: to you. It's great. It's nuts. Like the the shepherd
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 1: runs around, He's like, I'm gonna find a way to
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 1: get to that guy. I'm gonna go around this, like
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 1: the malamoan runs over the chair. Here's the shepherd. So
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 1: the shepherd he's going around, he's got to find the guy,
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 1: and he gets to him, he bites him. Watch the
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 1: malam wah. Now, let's do look at the malma over
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 1: the top, over every chair. It's like just so driven.
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 1: They're so driven and so athletic. Man. And it's not
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 1: that a German shepherd is not athletic, yeah right, but
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 1: like in comparison, look at what this fucker does. Man,
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 1: he just runs over these chairs. The run ros insane.
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 1: They're so athletic, so like a dog like that is
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 1: not like Marshall, Like Marshall is cool, just hanging here, chill.
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 1: You got a Belgian malmoa That motherfucker needs tasks. He's
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 1: just like it's basically like me, Like, you gotta work
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 1: him out. He's gonna do things. You can just have
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 1: him sitting in the house. He'll go fucking crazy.
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 2: Otherwise he's gonna be smoking crack back in the alleyway.
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 1: He is eighty HD in dog form. That's what a
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 1: Belgian Malama is. Like. You can't put him on riddling.
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 1: You gotta exercise that little guy. Yeah, you gotta work
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 1: that shit out, yeah, man, he needs. It's like, if
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 1: you have the time to do that, they are incredible dogs.
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 1: But it's like you got to know what you're getting.
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 1: You know, if you want a dog, they just chills.
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 1: Get yourself a Golden Retriever, you want a family dog, kids, yourself,
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 1: a goal or a lab. They're the best. They're just chill.
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 2: I had a Boston Terrier for a long time. Oh
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 2: the sweet I haven't been able to get another dog
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 2: since since he died. Like it was like too draining,
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 2: too emotionally draining.
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 1: Like it's hard.
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like a family member.
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 1: You know, it's hard, man, it's hard. I still get
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 1: sad thinking about my dogs. Yeah, that have died. But
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 1: you know, there's loss and there's life, and you just
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 1: gotta appreciate them while they're here. And yeah, I always
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 1: love new ones too. I love everybody's dogs. I love Carl.
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 1: Carl's here today. He seems like a little commer with
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 1: Marshall today. Growing boy, he's growing together. Right. He's also
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 1: listening when you tell him stop now, he's listening.
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 2: The bulldogs are a special breed, especially the English ones,
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 2: like they're just stubborn little pricks, like they're gonna do
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 2: what they want. I was watching a lady try to
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 2: walk her to like young English bulldogs this morning. They
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 2: were walking her like and they'll put that little you'll
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 2: actually get it with the French bulldog when they put
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 2: the brakes on and they're like, we normally walk this way,
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 2: but right now I'm going going that way, bitch exactly.
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 1: I'm the boss. Yeah, especially male dogs with their balls,
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 1: they'll test you. He's never tested me once, not once,
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 1: never growled never. He's the best.
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 2: He he you know what.
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 1: He barks at snowmen in my neighborhood. In my neighborhood,
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 1: this guy had one of them inflatable snowman and I'm
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 1: taking him for a walk and he sees like he's like,
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 1: what it's not a guy? Like he was the form
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 1: of it whatever it was, and it was one of
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 1: them flatable ones. So it's kind of like moving around,
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 1: he's like, Yo, what the fuck is that? Is that?
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 1: A bear? Like? Yeah, I would love.
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 2: To jump into dog's brain when they have those moments, right, like.
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 1: A snowman freak out.
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, probably looks like a fucking monster.
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 1: Bro. It's so funny because you know, because I'm relaxed
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 1: and he's barking. I'm like, bro, trust me, I would
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 1: he's thanking you if that was he's looking back at
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 1: you like, are we gonna fight this thing? This that's
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 1: a fucking guy. Like no, it's just it's just an
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 1: inflatable thing.
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 1: But other than that, he never barks. He'll bark if
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 1: he wants to be let in. That's it. He goes
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 1: to the door and just let out a little bark. Yeah,
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 1: just let you know.
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 2: Hey, that's Jamie and I were talking before, Like it's
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 2: very interesting how you start to communicate through dogs and
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 2: you start to understand what they need, and like, over
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 2: the enough time, you'd like you have a silent communication
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 2: which is very very peculiar.
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 1: And he knows the difference between going for a hike
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 1: and then coming to the studio. He knows the difference. Yeah,
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 1: Like he like you know when he if we go
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 1: somewhere and he's gonna go run, he's all amped up
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 1: and he gets the car, he gets here and he's like, hey,
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 1: everybody's cool, what's up? An He's ready to lie in
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 1: his back and get pet you know. It's like he's
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 1: he's the best.
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, dogs are fucking amazing. We almost don't deserve them.
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 1: Well, it's just such a weird thing that we've done
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 1: because they used to be wolves, and you can't train wolves.
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 1: There's a reason why wolves aren't in the circus. Think
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 1: about that. Think about that. You've got monkeys, bears, and
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 1: tigers that you can train to do circus shows in
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 1: front of everybody. You can't train a wolf. They won't listen.
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 1: But yet somehow turn a wolf into a dog that
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 1: like literally listens to everything I say. That Guy'll say,
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 1: you say down, buddy, relaxed, and I'll just say, you
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 1: know all, are you ready to go? He's like, I'm
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 1: ready and he just gets up and goes like It's like,
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 1: how did that happen?
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 2: And the fact that they have that like fucking super
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 2: gene that they they could transform into so many different
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 2: variations right of the same thing through selection.
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what's weird. Like selective breeding where you could
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 1: turn a dog into carl. Like you have enough time,
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 1: you can turn a mastiff into this tiny little thing. Yeah,
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 1: you just need enough time and enough different select genes.
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 1: And finally, this female's a little smaller. It was breeder
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 1: with a smaller male, and this one has this shorter snout, Like,
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 1: how are they even? How what'd you do?
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 2: How'd you get a chihuahua right from a wolf?
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 1: A wolf? You know, they didn't even they weren't even
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 1: sure of that until like, I don't know, fucking twenty
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 1: years ago. Really they didn't know. They thought they came
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 1: from wild dogs and shit. It's when they started sequencing
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 1: the genome. They're like, what, Yeah, it's exactly the same.
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 1: These are all wolves. Like they kind of thought probably
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 1: a lot of them came from wolves like huskies and
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 1: shit like that. Yeah, they're like, no, all of them.
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 2: That sort of symbiosis is really interesting too, like how plants,
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 2: Like we have that symbiosis with plants and like like
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 2: certain plants who have followed our evolutionary line down the way,
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 2: or you know, like we get connected to these I
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 2: think sometimes we forget that we're still a natural part
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 2: of the environment.
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 1: How weird? Does the plants literally put their seeds in
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 1: the middle of delicious fruit so that we will ship
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 1: it out and that shit will act as a fertilizer
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 1: and help it grow wild crazy. Not only that, but
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 1: if you eat the seeds, they're bad for you, but
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 1: if you swallow cyanide in it, So it's like evolutionary design,
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 1: evolutionarily designed for you to just pass it through a
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 1: digestive tract hole just swallow them.
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 2: Or even the fact that it's the certain color that
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 2: reminds us of a flavor that, like, a certain color
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 2: looks delicious.
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all it's doing.
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 2: Is tricking us into eating it, to ship it somewhere
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 2: and allow itself.
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 1: To reap a certain color that looks poisonous, right, so
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 1: you're scared of it? Yeah, you know. I was watching
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 1: this video the other day of a spider that makes
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 1: a decoy spider and puts it in How it's building
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 1: a sculpture, right, and it looks like a fucking spider,
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 1: which is really crazy. So how does a spider even
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 1: know what a spider looks like? And how did it? Right,
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 1: how did it develop this ability to make a sculpture
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 1: out of its own webbing? Like, look at this? That's crazy, man,
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 1: I mean that's really crazy. It's making a decoy.
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, like those caterpillars that look like they have
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 2: a snake the tail or whatever, yeah, or mantises you
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 2: ever see mantis that make it look like their their
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 2: arms or giant teeth.
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 1: They put their their arms together and they make it
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 1: they have a giant mouth. Such like wow, that's that's
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 1: the wild thing about evolutions, Like how what is the
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 1: entire process that allows some thing to develop where when
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 1: the moth opens its wings it looks like eyeballs? Yeah,
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 1: like what is that?
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Fucking just life is really good at reproducing itself.
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 1: How do you get a venus fly trap where a
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 1: plant tricks you into coming into the center of this
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 1: trap and then sam and then eats flies nuts the
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 1: whole thing.
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's why you got to like find some
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 2: joy in it, find like find a little you know, entertainment.
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 2: And how fucking bizarre everything is. We get so wrapped
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 2: up in our day to day and our just give by,
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 2: like just having the moment to be Like.
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 1: Wasn't that a part of a problem with working really
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 1: hard to like you know, you don't see the forest
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 1: for the trees. Yeah, and you can get caught up
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 1: in whatever the fuck you're doing and like forget Like, God,
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 1: the world is pretty amazing.
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the whole thing is so fucking bizarre. Yeah, And
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 2: you know, we try so hard to act like we
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 2: fucking know it all too to leave some room for
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 2: some some mystery.
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 1: Ye, so important. Well, people are weird, man, and there's
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 1: no real good working manual of how to live life.
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's no right way. There's no right way.
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 2: Like any advice anybody tries to give you, they're only
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 2: working on their own experience.
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 1: Especially when you're trying to pick a weird career. Yeah,
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 1: like an artist like good luck or comedian or an
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 1: MMA fighter or anything like you want to do that,
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 1: It's like, who are you gonna even ask?
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 2: You've got to find what you love and literally just
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 2: fucking go for it. Like and I I I know
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 2: there's a sort of like Okay, you got kids, you
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 2: got a fucking mortgage, I get it, you know, Like
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 2: I'm I've hustled all kinds of different ways to make
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 2: sure I continue on the process, you know, on the path.
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 1: But like, yeah, it's very different if you have people
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 1: that you take and care of and those responsibilities are paramount, and.
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 2: Then sometimes maybe that that reward system that you would
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 2: get from something else maybe comes from that.
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 1: But what we're saying is that like, as you are
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 1: listening to this, if you're going on your journey into life,
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 1: and you think you might be going in a safe
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 1: direction that it's gonna make money, versus the direction that
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 1: you really want to go to. Ask yourself how bad
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 1: you really want it? Like, what do you want to
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 1: do with your life? Do you want your life to
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 1: be really fun? Do you want your life to be
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 1: really rewarding where you wake up and you're excited about
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 1: what you do? Or do you want every day to
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 1: be a grind? Do you want every day to be
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 1: like you can't wait to get off so you can
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 1: get a cocktail so you can fucking calm down. You
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 1: hate everybody in the office, and everybody treats everybody like shit,
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 1: and the boss is a dick, and you just get home.
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 1: You just want to drink and watch Netflix, like you
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 1: gotta decide. You gotta decide, and you gonna you're gonna
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 1: have to take some drastic steps, and you're probably gonna
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 1: have a lot of doubt, especially if you're doing something weird,
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 1: like if you want to be an artist or you
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 1: want to be a comedian, Like it's a long road.
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 2: Doubt fuels. It can handcuff you and make you stop,
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 2: but it can also push you to go further.
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 1: Well, that's where doing something else that's difficult, so you
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 1: know that you can do difficult things really comes in handy.
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 1: And that's what I always preach about jiu jitsu. I
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 1: think jiu jitsu, above all of them, is the one
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 1: that you can do the most and you get the
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 1: most out of it. And you can get hurt, for sure.
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 1: And I've been hurt a bunch of times, don't get
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 1: me wrong, But it's a different kind of hurt than sparring.
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 1: The hurt that you get from kickboxing, and you know
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 1: that you were talking about from muay Thai. It's different.
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 1: You can't do that every day. You can't. You can't
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 1: spar every day. You get hurt. Yeah, you get your
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 1: brain gets beaten up, your fucking your nose gets fucked up,
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 1: or you can't breathe out of it anymore. It's just
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 1: you don't want that kind of hurt. It's too debilitate
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 1: and it could fuck with you for the rest of
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 1: your life. In terms of like the just literally the
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 1: way you think, which was always the scariest thing for me.
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 1: I remember when I was thinking about stopping fighting, it
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 1: was like, because I was lying in bed at night
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 1: with headaches from sparring days, and I was like, what
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 1: am I doing to my brain? Like, this is the
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 1: only thing that I have that's going to help me
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 1: decide how to get through life, the only thing that
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 1: I have. And once you start meeting people that you
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 1: know are compromised, meeting people that you know have brain damage, like.
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 2: The starting to see it. Man, Like, I think people
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 2: who have been fighters their whole life, you know, starting
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 2: to see a lot of that.
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 1: Like go to the CTE or.
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 2: Whatever the football players were dealing with, and like how
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 2: big of an effect? I mean, head trauma is so
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 2: so fucking damaging yep. Like, and the way that it
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 2: could show itself in so many different ways.
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 1: Like gambling, addictions, yeahs, depressions, even like mania.
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 2: It's like like like hallucinations, you know, I feel like
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 2: it almost transforms people into like uh like waking nightmares
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 2: sometimes for some people to where it's like that feeling
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 2: of like you know, like you see somebody, but there's
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 2: somebody else exactly right. Like there there's so many like
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 2: aspects that like just end up destroying your your normal
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 2: day to day life.
• 2:23:29
  Speaker 1: It's yeah, fucks up their hormones. It sucks up everything,
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 1: and you know, yet it makes for this insanely attractive
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 1: sport to watch.
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they love it.
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 1: Right to get out, you got to know when to
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 1: get out. And that's what's hard, And really the hardest
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 1: thing is that they don't have anything else, because in
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 1: order to be really good at something like fighting, you
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 1: have to dedicate your entire life to it. It has
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 1: to be everything about your waking moment. And when it's
• 2:23:55
  Speaker 1: not and it's just a job, that's when it gets
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 1: fucking dangerous because those guys get really fucked up a
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 1: lot of the time.
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when you have to get the next fight to
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 2: to keep the fucking train rolling.
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you have a family and and like
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 1: you realize, like you don't have any savings. Yeah, and
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 1: so then to quit, Like what are you gonna do?
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 1: How are you going to generate? You know, if you're
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 1: fighting and you're making two hundred and fifty three hundred
• 2:24:17
  Speaker 1: thousand dollars a year fighting three or four times a year, Like,
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 1: how are you going to replace that with like a
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 1: regular job. Yeah, you're not. You don't have any skills,
• 2:24:25
  Speaker 1: Like all of your skills are in how to fuck
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 1: people up. Yeah, So what are you gonna do. You're
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 1: gonna teach. You can teach, maybe, especially if you're real technical, Yeah.
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 2: But that's not going to give you the same quality
• 2:24:34
  Speaker 2: of life or like the.
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 1: You know, you could eventually. I mean there's some guys
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 1: that make a lot of money off of teaching.
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 2: Sure, you know, it's kind of rare though, I mean
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 2: we have to be really good.
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you have to be really good because.
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 2: There's like be franchising.
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of demand. You know, like you could
• 2:24:48
  Speaker 1: if you're an Eddie Bravo, you can teach seminars and
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 1: you have a bunch of affiliates and a bunch of schools.
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 2: But he's in the top, you know, five percent.
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 1: Exactly, you know, exactly. For most people, it's grind. Yeah,
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 1: I mean I teach.
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 2: I was telling Zach, like to me, jiu jitsu is
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 2: like a parasite and it got in me, and now
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 2: it's trying to find other hosts. Like I literally am
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 2: just trying to share. But it's like it's it's like
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 2: jiu Jitsu's forcing me to share it, regurgitating it into
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 2: some other hosts so that it can regurgitate itself and else.
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 1: But it's a beneficial parasite. Don't you think that teaching
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 1: helps your jiu jitsu though?
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 2: A million percent? Like I show all of my students
• 2:25:27
  Speaker 2: all of my tricks, so that when I try to
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 2: use my tricks on them, it stops working, and then
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 2: I have to evolve the tricks or like create other
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 2: little smoke screens and diversions to get to the spot
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 2: that I need to get because they know and I
• 2:25:41
  Speaker 2: like to, I'll show stuff that I don't normally do.
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 2: But a majority of my curriculum is stuff that I
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 2: do that I know works, that I know all the
• 2:25:51
  Speaker 2: ins and outs of I know every little detail of
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 2: how you get to the spot, like what you do,
• 2:25:56
  Speaker 2: what you do if they do a B or C.
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 2: And that's what I share. And as I do that,
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 2: like I noticed little techniques not working anymore?
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 1: Well, don't you think it's also as you explain the
• 2:26:09
  Speaker 1: techniques to people, it tightens up your own understanding of
• 2:26:12
  Speaker 1: the techniques and it makes.
• 2:26:13
  Speaker 2: You better one thousand percent because you have to think
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 2: of it, and it like a lot of times, our
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 2: movements are muscle memory, right. We don't really consciously think
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 2: too much about it because we've done it a thousand
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 2: times where it's like I do this, then I do this,
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 2: then I do that, and you don't think about it.
• 2:26:29
  Speaker 2: But when you have to show somebody, you have to
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 2: think about all those things that you never think about.
• 2:26:34
  Speaker 2: Help explain it to somebody who doesn't know what the
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 2: fuck you're talking about, and get them to grasp it.
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 1: I've seen that time and time again in jiu jitsu,
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 1: where a guy's pretty good and he starts teaching, like
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 1: coaching like beginners, one on one, private lessons and stuff
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 1: to make some extra money, and next thing you know,
• 2:26:51
  Speaker 1: he's a killer. It's like wow, it's I think that's
• 2:26:55
  Speaker 1: a missing part of the key to development is teaching.
• 2:26:59
  Speaker 2: I think I I'm honestly surprised when others don't want
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 2: to do the same, Like I never like I never
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 2: gate keep techniques, like I if I see something that
• 2:27:09
  Speaker 2: I think will work, like I I honestly think I'm
• 2:27:12
  Speaker 2: a much better coach than I am a jiu jitsu practitioner,
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 2: Like I'm horrible at competing. Like just sometimes I just
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 2: be like, Okay, I'm just gonna stay here until I
• 2:27:24
  Speaker 2: kind of have a room to get out and I
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 2: don't have to try too fucking hard, but I can
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 2: see the game much better in my students, And like,
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 2: we're my gym. Stealing MMA is a little bit of
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 2: like a ragtag sort of like bad News Bears kind
• 2:27:39
  Speaker 2: of gym because there's so many high level competitive gyms
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 2: in San Diego, but we go to all the local
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 2: tournaments and we.
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 1: Get on the fucking on the podium. Yeah, and we're
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 1: di is a tough place for jiu jitsu.
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 2: Dogshit.
• 2:27:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you got fucking Jocko's place down there. Barretty Sheet
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 1: is down there, people, isn't it was? Hoiler had a
• 2:28:01
  Speaker 1: school down there. Hoiler still in San San Diego.
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 2: He actually gave the guy who was the purple belt
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 2: who threw me on my head that I was talking
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 2: about earlier. He got his black belt from Hoyler. Attos
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 2: is there.
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's right, that's right. What a hotbed of
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 1: jiu jitsu.
• 2:28:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like little fucking Brazil.
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 1: Isn't that funny? Like California, especially like during the UFC's
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 1: growing period, became one of the biggest hotbeds of jiu
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 1: jitsu in the world.
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they all went there.
• 2:28:28
  Speaker 1: They all went there because they could serve. Yeah, you
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 1: could serve.
• 2:28:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like probably like climate wise fairly similar.
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 1: Fairly similar, and then a ton of population to draw
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 1: from to get students.
• 2:28:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, especially in that La area where it's like
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 2: people were already kind of like into Bruce Lee and
• 2:28:45
  Speaker 2: Chuck Norris and shit, right, and then you know you
• 2:28:49
  Speaker 2: see Hoyce just fucking freak everybody out.
• 2:28:52
  Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
• 2:28:52
  Speaker 2: We I mean I watched all those early fights as
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 2: a kid. I had a friend's dad who like would
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 2: always fucking get the pay per view.
• 2:28:59
  Speaker 1: That's another thing about Austin. We have so many jiu
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 1: jitsu gyms here now, you know, Gordon has this place, now,
• 2:29:05
  Speaker 1: the team has their place. You've got Gracie Bajas here,
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 1: You've got Shanji Ribero's here, everybody's here. There's like so
• 2:29:13
  Speaker 1: many different gyms here. There's multiple tenth planets here. You know,
• 2:29:17
  Speaker 1: there's there's a Gabe just opened up a tenth planet
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 1: in bass Drop. There's a tenth planet right down in
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 1: this area, there's a tenth planet. There's like three or
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 1: four tenth planets. Yeah, I think there's at least three.
• 2:29:33
  Speaker 2: And they're all packed right packed.
• 2:29:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's like there's so many people that are
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 1: interested in it because you know it really does work.
• 2:29:41
  Speaker 1: It really helps you, and not just works like as
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 1: a martial art to learn how to defend yourself. It's
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 1: a vehicle for understanding yourself better. It helps you in
• 2:29:50
  Speaker 1: everything you do, as long as you just do it
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 1: smart and don't get hurt. Exactly.
• 2:29:53
  Speaker 2: That's like me trying to get up when I fucking
• 2:29:55
  Speaker 2: my neck was pinched, like that was jiu jitsu, Like
• 2:29:58
  Speaker 2: I use it in so many aspects of my life,
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 2: like it's such a such a beautiful, weird little sport.
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 1: Yes, sir, lifestyle, My Maxwell, I'm glad you came in.
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 2: Joe Rogan, thank you for having on my brother.
• 2:30:10
  Speaker 1: Tell everybody where they can find you online.
• 2:30:13
  Speaker 2: Mike Maxwell Art dot com and all the social media's
• 2:30:15
  Speaker 2: are at Mike Maxwell Art. My gallery in Santa Monica's
• 2:30:20
  Speaker 2: BG Gallery, and I got a gallery out in New Orleans,
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 2: Mortal Machine. You can find my out there, and.
• 2:30:26
  Speaker 1: Is it all on Mike Maxwell Art.
• 2:30:27
  Speaker 2: You can find you can find all that.
• 2:30:29
  Speaker 1: Okay, beautiful, all right, brother, thank you, thank you.
• 2:30:31
  Speaker 2: I appreciate my man.
• 2:30:32
  Speaker 1: All right, bye, everybody,