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Titans x Browns: Game Preview - Cam Ward vs Shedeur Sanders - Cleveland Browns Podcast for 12/4/25 · The Dawgs - A Cleveland Browns Podcast

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the Dog's Podcast with your hosts, Lake Renaker, Justin Charles, and Josh All.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, what's up dog back?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess I'll look around this camera since I can't get my main camera to work but welcome back to a dog pack discord live here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thursday evening, starting just a few minutes early so we can jump into this preview for the Titans Browns game as I have dubbed it on social media.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is the suck poll three, suck poll one was Browns and Jets.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I really this could be suck poll four because we did have Browns and Dolphins.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and then browns and raiders.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I guess I'm kind of wrong.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is suckbow four.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm this one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's my bad guys.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I really do apologize.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I've been to two of them.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So yay for me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but like you said, you are so far this season and going to games.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're two and one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not many good.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I got to see some like convincing wins, too, which was great, not nail fighters till the end.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So for me, like a 20 point leader at 16 point lead, that's money.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's money for me.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm happy to see that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: no kidding.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Alright, so you got Josh, you got Kenny, we're gonna host this thing like normal today for you guys talking about the Titans, the Browns and everything else that's been going on this week.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So if you guys have things you want to talk about questions, whatever's on your mind, get your hands up in the audience, we'll bring you up throughout the show just like we always do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if you want to be a part of these dog pack discord episodes in the future, make sure you guys go to join the dogs dot com become an official dog pack member on the patreon page think up at the private discord get in here hang out with everybody in the dog pack it's a great time great place to be and of course you get to do these episodes with us which like I keep telling you guys we will be doing into the off season so we'll be doing discord live episodes talking about
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[SPEAKER_02]: draft prospects and maybe a head coaching search and free agency and God knows what else.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Kenny before we dive into things with the Titans game on Sunday.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I guess I should remind everybody real quick at the top here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We will be doing a live stream for that game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we're going to do a live watch party starting at 1245 PM Eastern here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Before the game do a little pre game, Justin Charles will be with us in studio.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know it's hard to believe, hard to believe, but
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[SPEAKER_05]: Justin, baby.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I appreciate if anybody reached out to Justin last week when we put that PSA out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I, that's awesome.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He, he touched base.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He is alive and well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that is good to know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he will be with us in the flesh.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So kind of hard to believe, but we haven't even been in studio for like three months.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's been a while.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's crazy, man.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's a nice studio.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Life kids, jobs, you know, it's just got to work around everything, but this has been working out very well for us in the interim.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, is there anything before we talk about the actual game, though, can you like from this past week that you want to discuss, do we want to get into any of this, like the Sean Watson news and all that kind of stuff?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Shot of Watson to me as I mean, they can activate his practice window anytime they want.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Doesn't mean that he's going to come out of it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: They could possibly put him on the PUP.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Overall, like we've been talking about the insurance and what it means to the Browns and that does it count against the cap.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We were talking about that earlier in the week.
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[SPEAKER_05]: As far as he assures this concern, I don't think it actually counts against the cap.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Any kind of money that the owner can recoup.
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[SPEAKER_05]: There is a policy on.
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[SPEAKER_05]: to show on himself.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, probably be in the owner's best interest if he doesn't play and put some on the PUP, but I mean, from a standpoint of just with the media and the overall outlook for Brown's fan, putting him back in the game just for one game even, I don't know if that's a wise decision, you got money on the line, pretty much like the money that they're asking for for this new
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[SPEAKER_05]: the PSL numbers are going to like what triple double or whatever it is that they have to buy that stuff.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I don't see much into that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And I guess I'm sick of him, but the whole quarterback situation has been a rough go.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I don't even know if I want to see anybody anymore on this team and just start fresh, but kind of being a little bit facetious there.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I do like what I see in Sanders,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so if I'm sure everybody's heard and seen it by now, but in case you haven't, that's the first time you're hearing about it, the Browns did open to Sean Watson's 21 day practice window, which means he is able to take the practice field.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And wow, he's because he's coming off of IR.
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[SPEAKER_02]: During this 21 day period, he does not have to be part of the active roster, so he doesn't have to count against the active rosters of the Browns have the next three weeks, 21 days, to decide if they're going to put him on the active roster, if those 21 days go by and they don't activate him on the active roster, then he must go back on what season ending IR, I think is the is the deal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: pup, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's all kinds of different either way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's out for the rest of season, which there's only five game four weeks after this week.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And anyway, so not much time left in the season.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I doubt he plays in a game for us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I really don't see any reason for that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The Browns like you said, there is cap relief.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm trying to look it up real quick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I did have the numbers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: before.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But it does actually help them on the cap I do believe next year if he doesn't play.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's let's see.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The contract allows for 58.176 million to be recovered by the browns.
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[SPEAKER_02]: for an injury that occurs between the start of 2024 and 2025.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that was the Achilles tears and all that kind of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll keep trying to look that up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you guys in the audience actually have the exact numbers available, that'd be great, but I do know there is a benefit for them not to not to blame this year.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, absolutely, I mean, just for the money itself to the organization, but I just think it's a bad look, just to have him back on the team, just to where he performed and just everything that's gone on in all the draft capital that we lost, just nobody wants to see that based on the way that the quarterback situations have been this year, just be more bad icing on the cake, let's say.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, Jimmy Hazeln, the Brown's owner has come out multiple times in the last, what, six months and called the Deshawn Watson move a failed trade, a failed move, the swing of this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, all this kind of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's, you know, we are in Shador Sanders territory right now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is time to see what he can do over these last five games.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's had a couple games so far.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll talk more about him as the show goes on, but I feel like I've seen
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[SPEAKER_02]: not drastic improvements, of course.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's a rookie with limited practice up until this point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I've seen the things I've wanted to see each week.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like I've seen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How about you?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, you know what, it really left the bad taste in my mouth, just that preseason game that he played.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He just looked awful.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And ultimately, you know, we heard a lot about people saying all the Browns sabotage them.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's a whole bunch of who he and you got to know football.
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[SPEAKER_05]: If you play the fourth quarter of the third preseason game, you are going to get probably the offensive linemen that are not going to make the team.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And pretty much you're going to throw check downs.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know what he was thinking or what he was doing or what he was told to do but that did not happen in that game and that kind of looked like what we got against the Ravens.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Same thing, crippling sacks, didn't know where to go, pushing the ball too far down the field.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Then he actually got a full week of practice and he did what he needed to do specifically not turn the ball over much.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He had one of their reception against the Raiders and he looked great and we were expecting that against.
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[SPEAKER_05]: the 49ers and he looked okay against the 49ers.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Maybe not near the end, but that the game was out of reach by that point.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But what I really like about him is, other than the two sacks, he seems to be reading the defense and getting the ball where it needs to go.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I know there's a couple over throws.
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[SPEAKER_05]: There was some maybe drop passes, but ultimately I like where he's reading.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And the main thing is, is through what Dylan has been doing.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But Shidorah's been doing, he's got more attempt yards down the field.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And that's the only way that this offense is going to go.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And I know what I'd like to see in this game against a Titans defense, which is kind of mid-range, is I would like to see the same game plan.
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[SPEAKER_05]: against, which we did against the Raiders, but like to hit a little bit more intermediate stuff.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, push the ball down the field with some heavy slants.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I want to see some bootlegs, bootleg play action, and some of maybe, let's see what he did in a university and an NCAA ball, and maybe translate that over a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He did a lot of RPO, pass.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So let's see that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: uh, easy to read for the Titans defense and get Sanders in that rhythm because he's rhythm passer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, now you're talking about one of the most uncreative offenses in the league, suddenly being creative.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I didn't want to happen, but I didn't want to mention, so I looked at the numbers between Dylan Gabriel's first two starts and Shidorah Sanders first two starts because
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, there's a large, you know, faction of people out there that just hate should or stand.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just throw whatever reason.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Probably not Browns fans are not football.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They just don't like him and they want him to fail and, you know, he throws an incompletion and it's all he's a boss.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's a garbage quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you got to take a lot of this stuff, especially on social media with a grain of salt.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's just people that hate him and I, whatever, but if you look between the two, Dylan Gabriel and his first two starts was 48 of 85.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He threw 85 passes in his first two starts as a rookie, 56.5% completion, 411 yards, two touchdowns, no interceptions, and he took eight sacks for 54 yards lost.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so now should or Sanders in two starts.
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[SPEAKER_02]: 27 of 45 for 60% completion, 358 yards, two touchdowns, one interception, four sacks for 37 yards loss.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he's only taken four sacks in two stars, Dylan Gabriel took eight, but all I hear about is this sack taking stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, I, I'm not as concerned about it yet because I have not seen him take crippling
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[SPEAKER_02]: game time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Since he's been the starter, now the Ravens game, whatever, I'm not that worried about the Ravens game just because of what it was and no practice and all that kind of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But Raiders, and then the first two and a half quarters against the 49ers, I thought he thought he did pretty well for what he's been allotted to this point.
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[SPEAKER_05]: yeah exactly and i mean you have to take a look at what he has to work with if you are going to compare him to somebody like just in her bird i mean that guy had keen and alan he had uh... austin accler like he had uh... mike Williams i mean all those are all better prospects at
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[SPEAKER_05]: the skill positions and we have right now.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Jerry Judy is, I mean, considered an elite separator, but we haven't seen much from him this year.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And if he does something, it's a fumble or it's a stupid peddleier.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Just things haven't worked out for him.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Isaiah Bond still learning.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He didn't had no preseason.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He had no training camp.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So that was tough on
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[SPEAKER_05]: Isaiah Bond.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And then after that, I mean, who knows what's happened to said till, I mean, did you have an even a target?
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[SPEAKER_05]: I think, yeah, one target last week.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So he doesn't have much to work with, other than Kushan Chunkins and our two tight ends.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I haven't seen much of David Nijoku lately either.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So, I mean, it's it's hard to compare him.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I think he's doing the best that he can with a subpar offensive line and a meta set of receivers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We already got some hands flying up here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we'll get Brad up your first Jeff year on deck.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So just hang tight.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll get you up here next.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Brad, how you doing this week, man.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, the window is open, boys.
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[SPEAKER_07]: They open the window.
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[SPEAKER_07]: There's a breeze in here and I, did you feel the breeze?
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[SPEAKER_07]: It's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like the Wizard of Oz.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And it helps me.
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[SPEAKER_07]: It's yes.
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[SPEAKER_07]: The sense from the massage parlour have come in.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, you know, it was just enjoying my day that day.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And of course, I had to be the first one to see the post.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And, you know, I had to share it with all of you, lovely people.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And the response is what I expected, you know?
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[SPEAKER_07]: It's, you know, we're, we're into the best of the season where it's like, man, can we get worse?
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[SPEAKER_07]: Yes, we're the Cleveland Browns.
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[SPEAKER_07]: It can get worse.
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[SPEAKER_07]: It always can get worse.
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[SPEAKER_07]: But, you know, you know, and then I got the media saying, oh, well, otherwise Sean's back, he'll start next year.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Dude, I got that dude gone worse than anybody else in the group.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Like as soon as he, we could cut him, I want that dude gone.
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[SPEAKER_07]: He has done nothing, but destroy this franchise.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Since he's been here with this contract, put this off the field nonsense, he hasn't even played a full season for us.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's just been one eye sore after another and, you know, I'm on the, I was like, you can't write a script to make it, you can't write a script to make it any worse than it was like you could not imagine how bad that trade was and if you could imagine it was 10 times worse.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, this is like, it's like, oh, so you're really the br- like, what's just, what's the theoretical here?
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[SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Say, say we win Sunday, you know, be it a close game maybe, say we win Sunday.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_07]: So we have the bears after that, right?
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[SPEAKER_07]: Say, the Shidorah looks terrible.
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[SPEAKER_07]: The shans ready and he comes out on the field.
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[SPEAKER_07]: You know how, like,
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[SPEAKER_07]: Like soul sucking to all the fans that would be you to see the Sean back out there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Are you talking about against the titans or the bears?
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[SPEAKER_02]: The bears.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that one's in Chicago, isn't it?
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[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, but I'm gonna say you're saying to bring rocks on the game back at home Yeah, I don't think there'd be many people left Yeah, I think they would all We don't need to be to the idea Yeah, so
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[SPEAKER_07]: be that as it may, uh, you know, I am hopeful for Shidorah this Sunday, um, you know, apples, apples, these are the two top guys going in the draft before Shidorah fell to the fifth round, right?
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[SPEAKER_07]: Um, obviously the Titans have not been good.
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[SPEAKER_07]: They fired their coach mid
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[SPEAKER_07]: Cam Ward's been very up and down all season, but also he doesn't really have a head coach.
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[SPEAKER_07]: But it's hard to say now with this team that like, oh, well, the tanger just as bad as the Raiders and say, oh, we got this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This team is so hard to trust man, you know, so it's, yeah, we're going into our preview here for this Titan's game, but I will tell you guys right now and I know I was a lot higher on the Browns at home last weekend's the 49ers and maybe I should have been I was getting for a little bit, but at the same time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a 10 to 8 game halfway through the third quarter until we started making bone-headed coaching decisions and Stoop more stupid special teams errors and things like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So really the game didn't kind of go how I felt like it would For over half of the game and then think spiral out of control the titans are not the same as the 49ers If we don't come out of this thing with a win everybody should be fired on a carrot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's only four weeks left And this is ridiculous.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're terrible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're so bad.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, if you know, there's no way that you can say we got to do better.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You can't.
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[SPEAKER_05]: They were the worst team.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You're not doing better.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You're not him.
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[SPEAKER_07]: He like.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Like a few of us have been in here, but I've, I'm still at the end of the season team fire.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Kevin's to fanski.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I know some people are like, well, maybe another week year.
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[SPEAKER_07]: What?
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[SPEAKER_07]: done with them.
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[SPEAKER_07]: He has no accountability for his coordinators.
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[SPEAKER_07]: None.
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[SPEAKER_07]: He has to be forced to fire his coordinators when they're doing terrible right in front of your face.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, he's just ridiculous.
17:52
[SPEAKER_02]: You're right.
17:52
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I know, I don't know how you guys, if you watched Bubba Ventron's press conference today, but I felt like the dude was just making excuses after excuses about what's happening on special teams talking about, well, we had guys get injured back in training camp.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, dude, training camp was like four months ago.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You tell him you haven't been able to coach these guys that you have on special teams to this point that were 12 weeks into the season and they still are making these mistakes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You have a returner who doesn't know
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[SPEAKER_02]: To let a ball go out of bounds, I did not like what I heard from Bubba Ventrone today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm losing massive amounts of respect for that guy.
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[SPEAKER_07]: It, it almost sounded like he was trying to throw and your barrier under the bus with some of his statements.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, a little bit like, yeah, literally.
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[SPEAKER_07]: But like he was like, oh, I'm kind of working with what I have.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Well, maybe you shouldn't say something in your general manager.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Hey, we kind of need like a gunner of dude.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Some people here.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So, so does everybody else.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Everybody else is missing people this late in the season two.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Everybody's injured.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How did you like to say, everywhere?
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[SPEAKER_02]: How would you feel if you were gauge
18:56
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they would what I didn't even hear the question exactly, but you know, is gauge larver day and going to retain his punt return duties, and he was like, well, based on the guys on the roster, yeah, I'd say he's our best option.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, how old shitty is that to be like, man, our team is so bad.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We have no talent.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this guy, I mean, here you know, nobody better than that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, Ouch, man.
19:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's bad.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You need to get a dude.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so Brad jumped off Jeff said in the chat that he accidentally hit the invite to speak, so we'll get Andrew up here next.
19:29
[SPEAKER_02]: You guys, I see in the chat you're having a conversation about the Sean Watts and how soon we can get rid of him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just want to address that real quick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I know originally and I've said it on the show in the past post, June 1st, 2026, would be the soon as we can get rid of him, but that was before they did the contractor structure, this past offseason.
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[SPEAKER_02]: As soon as they did that, if you follow Jack Duffin from the OBR on Twitter, he's like my main go-to for contract stuff.
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21:08
[SPEAKER_02]: Andrew, what's up buddy?
21:10
[SPEAKER_06]: I was going on guys.
21:11
[SPEAKER_05]: How you done cold brother.
21:13
[SPEAKER_05]: How you doing man.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, yeah, I'm doing good, but Mission two also.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Hey, thank you.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Congratulations for hitting your goal for Moe Vimber.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Appreciate that.
21:23
[SPEAKER_06]: Appreciate you.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I appreciate you.
21:25
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, I don't know what Brad's over here to complain about.
21:28
[SPEAKER_06]: I
21:28
[SPEAKER_06]: I can't wait to get burned back on the field like this.
21:32
[SPEAKER_06]: Do it tomorrow like this.
21:33
[SPEAKER_06]: Let's just fall send the absolute Parable don't let's just brace to the bottom fall send it I mean Like we said in the military embrace and suck and just fall send it.
21:46
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I think it's fine
21:48
[SPEAKER_06]: As no one wants to shine on the field, I mean, I get that known does, but I mean, we might as well do it.
21:53
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, it's the most brown thing we can do.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Besides, besides getting blown out on Sunday, I mean, that could possibly up there with the two worst options possible.
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[SPEAKER_06]: But this, I don't know, guys.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I think it's I think we're in
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[SPEAKER_06]: We should just focus in the terribleness and just like listen's hope for the weird like just make it fun like we know we're not going to win probably another game outside of maybe this Sunday Let's just let's just have fun with it like this is see how off the wall we can get and hopefully and hopefully Be far some coaches along the way because that would be cool
22:34
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, get a little hype into it.
22:36
[SPEAKER_06]: Wanted to let season, but I don't know, guys.
22:39
[SPEAKER_02]: So I get I hear what you're saying and I agree that would be the most Browns thing ever to be playing to Sean Watson here at the end of this season.
22:47
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, oh, are you kidding me?
22:48
[SPEAKER_02]: But for me, I like, I don't know where you are Andrew.
22:51
[SPEAKER_02]: I still like, I what I see from Shador on the field.
22:55
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, let's just keep giving him a chance because
22:58
[SPEAKER_02]: If we can avoid using another draft pick, because thank you, Andrew Barrett, for using two of them, and really three of them, on two quarterbacks this year, we're going to use another one next year, a first round pick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Whenever we need all these other things, I would much rather stock up on receivers, line-men build the offense, because I can't watch another season like this, where you got a rookie quarterback out there struggling because there's nothing around him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if you think you bring Fernando Mendoza into this offense, without any first round receivers or line-men or anything,
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[SPEAKER_02]: What do you think is gonna look like?
23:29
[SPEAKER_02]: It's gonna look the same.
23:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Especially Kevin's looking the same.
23:33
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, look, look at last year versus this year.
23:36
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, it's the same as the same stuff.
23:38
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, we thought maybe there's that band-aid of the new online coach, nothing changed.
23:43
[SPEAKER_05]: He was a disciple of what's his name there.
23:48
[SPEAKER_05]: He didn't do anything.
23:51
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, I mean, it's the same stuff over and over.
23:54
[SPEAKER_05]: And I agree with Josh.
23:56
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, just set up the offense for someone to come into it.
24:00
[SPEAKER_05]: And you got to have receivers that can separate.
24:03
[SPEAKER_05]: The whole receiver room has to be just redone, right?
24:07
[SPEAKER_05]: We need two new tackles.
24:09
[SPEAKER_05]: And at least we have running backs and tight ends.
24:11
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, if we signed a joke, again, I don't know.
24:16
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I don't know.
24:18
[SPEAKER_06]: As you guys know, not the biggest shooter war guy at all.
24:23
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I didn't like him in college.
24:24
[SPEAKER_06]: I thought he was a bear.
24:25
[SPEAKER_06]: That's the overrated hit.
24:27
[SPEAKER_06]: You changed his last name to Jones or whatever.
24:29
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, he has zero hype.
24:32
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, he's just was above average college quarterback.
24:37
[SPEAKER_06]: But at the same time, like, I hope I grow.
24:41
[SPEAKER_06]: And I hope I have to eat all the negative and all the words that I've said.
24:46
[SPEAKER_06]: Because I hope he is that guy, because that way you're right, we don't have to spend the first round when they first from take some quarterback.
24:54
[SPEAKER_06]: We can build the team up.
24:56
[SPEAKER_06]: That would accelerate the time and that would hope it's so much.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I hope that's the case.
25:01
[SPEAKER_06]: Now I don't think it is.
25:03
[SPEAKER_06]: Unfortunately, I think it's, here we are, we're gonna be taking top five, ish, and we're gonna be trying to move in for a quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I really hope he is that guy, just for the simple fact of, I rather win, I don't care, I really don't care who's back there, I don't care if it's a Sean, can you pick it, Dylan Gabriel, I don't care who's back there as long as we win, but unfortunately none of those options are good enough to get this to win, here we are.
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[SPEAKER_02]: true and then I mean the offensive line the receiving core like everything in that offense that's what we have we have two players on we we probably have the defensive player the year and the defensive rookie of the year on our team and we've won three games like our defense is top of the league and like everything you could want it to be and we're three wind team.
25:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Like that's how bad the offense is.
25:59
[SPEAKER_02]: So we could talk real quick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You guys, I'm sure saw the mock draft from Dane Brugler from the athletic the other day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he has the Browns finishing the season picking five and twenty six with the Jaguars pick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he has the Browns using both of those picks to trade up to one with the Titans to take Fernando Mendoza, number one overall, plus he has the Browns also throwing in a day two pick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't say it was a second round or third round, but a day two pick for next year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So for another quarterback, can you did you see that mock trade?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, it's it's early speculation and it's it's something to get people to read.
26:36
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I think if you're a Browns fan, you'd lose your mind after winning all these years to get your picks back or to pick a get and we didn't get picks back.
26:45
[SPEAKER_05]: And just to not have them to get this guy that we have no support for.
26:50
[SPEAKER_05]: It just seems like a recipe for disaster.
26:53
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, look at this here.
26:54
[SPEAKER_05]: We have, again, I'll have to get back into it.
26:56
[SPEAKER_05]: We have no online, we have no receivers.
26:58
[SPEAKER_05]: We're not doing these quarterbacks, and we can't really develop them.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We're doing them no favors.
27:03
[SPEAKER_05]: And it's going to be the same thing with this.
27:05
[SPEAKER_05]: Can you just go break them?
27:06
[SPEAKER_05]: And that's what they said that happened to Trevor Lawrence.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And we don't want that again.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So put us something in place.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm sure Shagawar can
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[SPEAKER_05]: run something, or you can find, I don't know, Mac Jones or somebody, you know, anything, you know, but have some weapons, because you can't do anything without this.
27:28
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, it's always been said, the NFL is an arms race, and those guys that have the better weapons, those guys go to the Super Bowl.
27:35
[SPEAKER_05]: Defenses nice, but you need to put points on the board.
27:38
[SPEAKER_05]: That drives defenses.
27:41
[SPEAKER_05]: They're playing for something then.
27:43
[SPEAKER_05]: Because the guys that we have right now, they're not playing for much.
27:46
[SPEAKER_05]: And I know Josh said that, hey, these guys lead everything.
27:50
[SPEAKER_05]: The one that where they don't lead is third down efficiency, like they're not good on third down.
27:56
[SPEAKER_05]: They're actually give up 40% which is a big number.
27:59
[SPEAKER_05]: But if you had points on the board, I think that would drive you just a little bit more.
28:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: For sure.
28:04
[SPEAKER_02]: I know Andrew in the chat says, uh, Brugler's article, the mock draft.
28:08
[SPEAKER_02]: It's clickbait.
28:09
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and then Kevin says I'm indefinitely no on that trade.
28:12
[SPEAKER_02]: But the thing to remember is these are the kind of conversations we're going to be having when the offseason hits because we're not going to be picking one two or three.
28:19
[SPEAKER_02]: We're not going to be in position to take one of the top quarterbacks with our own pick.
28:23
[SPEAKER_02]: So if we want that guy or one of those guys, it's going to have to be via trade, it could be using both of the, like, those are the conversations, these conversations are just now starting.
28:33
[SPEAKER_02]: This is not anywhere close to being done.
28:35
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to be talking about this stuff a lot.
28:38
[SPEAKER_02]: I did want to say before we, you know, transition over to the Titans game and everything, the rest of this season.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know the brown suck and I know they're not even worth watching.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Really,
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[SPEAKER_02]: worth watching and paying attention to with this team.
28:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Number one, of course, is Shidorah Sanders.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Can he continue to develop and show that he can be the guy at least to have an opportunity in 2026 rather than using a pick on a quarterback?
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[SPEAKER_02]: The other thing, one of the other things, Miles Garrett.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is huge.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's having a season.
29:08
[SPEAKER_02]: I said this one to show the other day I did.
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[SPEAKER_02]: that we will look back on in 20 years and tell our kids and our grandkids, I remember watching Miles Garrett that year.
29:18
[SPEAKER_02]: I remember the year he set that sack record because he's as long as he doesn't get hurt, he's going to obliterate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to, it's going to be crazy.
29:26
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is one of those seasons that you highlight during a whole of fame.
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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, induction and all that kind of stuff.
29:33
[SPEAKER_02]: And the third thing, Quinceon Judkins, he is a washer pull it up.
29:37
[SPEAKER_02]: He's got 758 yards this year, and let me see if I can find those numbers real quick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He needs 242 yards.
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[SPEAKER_02]: to reach a thousand.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay?
29:48
[SPEAKER_02]: That's it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: 202 yards, five games left.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Can he do it because if he does, he will become just the second Browns rookie ever to rush for a thousand yards his rookie season.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the only person to have done it before was Kevin Mac with 114 yards back in 1985.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's some things to watch for.
30:10
[SPEAKER_05]: And I remember that, and that's a long time ago.
30:15
[SPEAKER_05]: Not me, I want to get that thing around you.
30:16
[SPEAKER_05]: You're not to say shout out to Carson Swesinger, man.
30:20
[SPEAKER_05]: I figure it's defensive rookie of the year.
30:22
[SPEAKER_05]: That's another thing that's driving me to go to these games this year.
30:26
[SPEAKER_05]: I was telling Josh before I wanted to hit four games this year, because I turned 50, and that's my little present to myself.
30:32
[SPEAKER_05]: Two and one at the games.
30:33
[SPEAKER_05]: We got to see miles have some fantastic games.
30:36
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't think I've ever been to a game before.
30:40
[SPEAKER_05]: the Raiders game was the wildest thing I've ever seen.
30:44
[SPEAKER_05]: Every time I looked up at the scoreboard, the Raiders always seemed to be third-nineteen, which I'm used to as a Browns fan, so that was nice to see on the other end for once.
30:53
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so, you know, the offense is a bismal, but even on the offense there's something to watch with Judkins and then on defense, we've got some, we've got some dudes, obviously, to be one of the better defenses in the league, so at least the Browns have a
31:08
[SPEAKER_02]: So let's kick it over here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you guys again, if you want to come up here, talk, ask questions or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Get your hands up.
31:14
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to dive into this matchup between the Titans and the Browns.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So the 1 and 11 Tennessee Titans, coming to Cleveland, take on the not too much better three and nine Cleveland Browns, who are actually four and a half point favorites in this game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This game has a 33.5 over under that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Might be the lowest over under of any game this season.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure somebody, if you want to vet that, vet that, but I can't imagine many, if any games have actually been lower than 33.5 point total.
31:45
[SPEAKER_02]: that's crazy.
31:46
[SPEAKER_02]: The Titans are plus 170 to win the game.
31:48
[SPEAKER_02]: The overunder is like this because this game features the worst scoring team in the league against the fourth worst scoring team in the league.
31:56
[SPEAKER_02]: The Titans are averaging just 14.2 points a game and the Browns are two points better at 16.2.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So
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[SPEAKER_02]: In terms of yards per game, these are the bottom two teams in the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Both of the league's worst offense is together on one field for one afternoon only.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be a magical time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Some make sure you guys tune into our live stream because we'll be there for the old shabang.
32:22
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I'm looking for Shidorah, like I said, the capitalized on the secondary of the Titans.
32:29
[SPEAKER_05]: I think he can push the ball on them a bit.
32:31
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I don't want to take anything for granted and I'm not taking that defense for granted.
32:35
[SPEAKER_05]: The Browns are going to have to eat this out.
32:37
[SPEAKER_05]: It's probably going to be a tight game.
32:38
[SPEAKER_05]: Probably going to be like a 1710 game or something like that.
32:42
[SPEAKER_05]: But I mean, we'd have to expect from Tommy Reese.
32:44
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, he's much, very much like Kevin's to Fansky.
32:47
[SPEAKER_05]: He runs it on first down.
32:48
[SPEAKER_05]: What does he do the next time?
32:49
[SPEAKER_05]: He's going to run it on second down.
32:51
[SPEAKER_05]: Everybody knows it.
32:52
[SPEAKER_05]: With our offensive line, it's kind of in a little bit of a state of disarray with the injuries.
33:00
[SPEAKER_05]: The getting that 68 yards a game or whatever he needs, it might be a little bit tough.
33:04
[SPEAKER_05]: But if they stick to it, play action game, and really let's hit some hard slants, especially to Cedric Tillman.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He's a big-bodied receiver.
33:12
[SPEAKER_05]: Let's get him going.
33:13
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, ultimately with 3 and 9 record, I mean, you're taking a look at the tape that you don't put forth because it's everybody's audition now because the playoffs aren't coming.
33:23
[SPEAKER_05]: So get Judy going, get Tillman going, nice catch the ball.
33:28
[SPEAKER_05]: But the main thing is
33:30
[SPEAKER_05]: don't lose a game because of special teams.
33:33
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't want to see that, like the special teams have trove me nuts this year.
33:37
[SPEAKER_05]: And what have we lost, like, four games because of the special teams overall, like you could say the jets, you can say the Bengals game for sure, two missed field goals, two part returns for touchdowns.
33:48
[SPEAKER_05]: And I'm sure there's others that I can't think of, but I'm thinking there was four specifically.
33:52
[SPEAKER_05]: That could have been us being,
33:54
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, a better team than what we are, a better record than we were, but I mean, just special team just be average.
34:01
[SPEAKER_05]: Just let's kick some field goals.
34:03
[SPEAKER_05]: That'd be great.
34:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that would be great.
34:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I got on my notes here.
34:07
[SPEAKER_02]: The only real difference in this game between the two teams are the defenses.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Cleveland's got the second best defense right now in the league holding teams of just 271 yards, which is actually 30 more yards on average than what the Titans even gain on average.
34:21
[SPEAKER_02]: on offense anyway.
34:21
[SPEAKER_02]: So think about that.
34:23
[SPEAKER_02]: Tennessee on the other hand, they are bottom 10 with 345 yards per game allowed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So there is opportunity this week.
34:31
[SPEAKER_02]: We checked the weather before the show.
34:33
[SPEAKER_02]: It's calling for like maybe some snow flories here and there.
34:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Nothing crazy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No crazy wind or anything.
34:38
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be cold.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like a typical December game in Cleveland.
34:41
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't think the weather's going to be too much of a factor in this one as far as like wind and being all wet and that kind of stuff.
34:47
[SPEAKER_02]: But the tightens they got 218 on average through through the air 127 rushing so they're not especially good and either avenue.
34:55
[SPEAKER_02]: So oh, I'm sorry, that's what they allow on defense.
34:57
[SPEAKER_02]: So take your pick.
34:58
[SPEAKER_02]: I say a quench on judgekins in the run game.
35:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it's not like the Browns like to stick to the run game, especially when it's working.
35:04
[SPEAKER_02]: So who knows?
35:06
[SPEAKER_02]: And then Shador Sanders in the past game.
35:08
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure, drop passes miscommunications.
35:10
[SPEAKER_02]: That's likely going to lead to more controversy on the sideline.
35:13
[SPEAKER_02]: I got a love it when you're unproductive in crappy wide receivers are yelling at rookie quarterbacks.
35:18
[SPEAKER_02]: Super helpful stuff over there.
35:20
[SPEAKER_02]: But Tennessee, they're allowing 27.3 points for game.
35:23
[SPEAKER_02]: Unfortunately, I don't see the Brown's offense generating.
35:26
[SPEAKER_02]: that many points maybe 20 like can you say maybe like a 17 to 10 game type thing so if it's going to turn into a Miami score where we're past 30 against them it's going to we're going to need like a pick six or you know a formal return something to take the ball down to like the two where we can punch it in to help us get over that hump but it's kind of my breakdown of this game it's just it's
35:48
[SPEAKER_02]: the team suck both these teams suck it's not going to be a fun game as far as that goes but like I said we do have a lot of things to be watching for from the Browns fan perspective but does anybody down there I'm going to let Kenny talk for a second oh Andrew Jackson's got his hand up Kenny you want to mention or comment on anything there
36:08
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I mean, it's, they basically, it's like we say every week.
36:13
[SPEAKER_05]: We gotta have a clean game, special teams can have a turnover, hit your kicks, like, it's the same stuff it's stuff we don't do.
36:19
[SPEAKER_05]: It's like the basics, like we just gotta do that.
36:22
[SPEAKER_05]: We should be able to win the game.
36:24
[SPEAKER_05]: It's our defense.
36:25
[SPEAKER_05]: The defense is gonna be the catalyst to this win.
36:28
[SPEAKER_05]: And I, I forgot one thing.
36:31
[SPEAKER_05]: We're alpha dogs, we're two and oh, without the doggy of forms.
36:34
[SPEAKER_05]: We're definitely, we're sick, we're with no big deal.
36:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
36:38
[SPEAKER_02]: No big deal.
36:38
[SPEAKER_02]: You got something here.
36:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Four nine, baby.
36:41
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, Andrew.
36:41
[SPEAKER_02]: What's up, man?
36:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
36:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Brad, I did see your hand.
36:43
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
36:44
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll get you up here.
36:45
[SPEAKER_06]: All right, so I just got to think about this for new guys who are talking about, especially at the defense and different things like that.
36:52
[SPEAKER_06]: So just fast forward 10, 15 years from now.
36:56
[SPEAKER_06]: Are we gonna look back at this season, this team, and what this defense is doing with Carson being a rookie and doing what he's doing, what miles is,
37:09
[SPEAKER_06]: currently doing and which probably should end up doing with a sack record and everything like that, are you going to look back at, and there's going to be like a footnote in a fell history of like one of the best defenses, not only in Brown's history, but one of the better defenses in an fell history that never done anything.
37:30
[SPEAKER_06]: Do you think this is going to be like one of those like,
37:33
[SPEAKER_06]: In 15 years now, you don't look at this team and you're going to get so mad and so angry because like all the people on this team, you're going to be like, they should have been better than what they were, I do think that you think that's for how that you don't look at this season or I did this team currently.
37:50
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it kind of depends on the same, yeah, go ahead, okay, yeah, it's tough to say because if you don't win everybody forgets, right?
37:57
[SPEAKER_05]: You can have, like, look at the Super Bowl, like you could have had the best defense in the world, but if you don't win, then the next year everybody just remembers the person who won as Brown's fans.
38:08
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it could stick in our Crawford a bit because, you know, we're so invested into the team and it seems like we're wasting a bit, especially for
38:17
[SPEAKER_05]: you know, it doesn't seem like anybody wants to win the AFC North right now.
38:20
[SPEAKER_05]: So, I mean, for us, us and this group probably, but overall probably not.
38:25
[SPEAKER_02]: I think there'll be some Joe Thomas Esk memories there.
38:28
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, wow, we had a first ballot Hall of Fame left tackle for all these years, and we couldn't win a game.
38:34
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's going to be the same with like Miles Garrett, but you're kind of onto something here a little bit Andrew, because with Joe Thomas, it was Joe Thomas.
38:41
[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, we had some other good players on that offensive line with him.
38:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but not like this defense because you got Miles Garrett and we are going to look back and say, wow, we had Denzo Ward, we had Grant Delpit.
38:50
[SPEAKER_02]: We had, you say Carson's question, you're depending on how Mason Grant, like we had Mason Graham, we had all these guys on that defense and couldn't do anything.
39:00
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's, it's hard to build a defense like this, you know, and it's, it's a real shame that we couldn't have been just a little bit better on offense.
39:11
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I'm forgetting like in the fact that, I mean, you would say Carson, you would say miles, like they're all in tension for certain awards.
39:20
[SPEAKER_05]: They were able to get those awards like the sack record, defensive player of the year, and rookie of the year.
39:26
[SPEAKER_05]: Then,
39:27
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, that will go down with a lot of because those, those are recognition pieces.
39:32
[SPEAKER_05]: And those recognition pieces would be brought up by media outside of Cleveland.
39:37
[SPEAKER_05]: So if, if that's the case, then yeah, it would probably be like, man, you, you lost out big by not getting anything done on offense or talking yourself into the pieces that you had that were going to work because it's pretty futile right now with what they have on offense.
39:56
[SPEAKER_06]: I just feel like this is almost like a trivia question.
39:59
[SPEAKER_06]: I said 10, 15 years down around like, what was the best, you know, who had the best individual seasons, for the brand, you know, and then I felt like, you know, statistically wise for rookie and for miles and all this and I feel like it's gonna be one of those things, like you're right, I think I mean, because I mean, everyone in the numbers of winning, no one remembers the losing.
40:22
[SPEAKER_06]: But I feel like it's gonna be one of those things down the road that people are gonna be like,
40:26
[SPEAKER_06]: I can't believe we did that, you know, or didn't do that because we had such great players and we had such a great, you know, scheme and you know, everything like that, you know, do you know what's this played well?
40:40
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I mean, I mean, they really have, I mean, grand, you can't yell at them for giving up points, late games, the situations when I've been on the field for 80% of the game, you know, 90% of the game, you can't yell at them.
40:53
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, it's, it's not, unfortunately, it's not their fault.
40:56
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, we do have an office of geniuses at coach.
41:00
[SPEAKER_06]: So, or do we?
41:01
[SPEAKER_06]: I wouldn't want to, I wouldn't want to blame him.
41:04
[SPEAKER_06]: But I'm just saying, maybe someone should go look at me.
41:08
[SPEAKER_05]: You've got a fan hire, bro.
41:10
[SPEAKER_06]: You've got a fan hire, look up, try, I've tried.
41:13
[SPEAKER_06]: I've tried, and, and I think this week, after seeing the Sean Watson window thing open that you know, I know it's probably going to be nothing.
41:22
[SPEAKER_06]: I said earlier, I guess the most brown thing we're going to play him like we're going to do we're going to do all this stuff like so we might as well just embrace the socket and just full send into the abyss and see what happens.
41:33
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean enjoy the misery.
41:35
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean what you're talking to me.
41:38
[SPEAKER_02]: We're talking about this like defense and everything.
41:43
[SPEAKER_02]: This is what bothers me about Andrew Barry.
41:45
[SPEAKER_02]: And I know everybody wants to talk.
41:47
[SPEAKER_02]: He's had to get the great draft class in 2025.
41:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so far it's looking like we've got some pretty good players coming out of this draft class.
41:53
[SPEAKER_02]: The five before this, we're not all that great.
41:56
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's the one.
41:57
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't care if it was an organization or decision or not like he was that this is the regime that was involved in giving up all those picks for the Sean Watson didn't work out.
42:06
[SPEAKER_02]: So they got to be held accountable for that.
42:08
[SPEAKER_02]: They can't just use that as an excuse.
42:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, well, our mistake is the reason why we we can't it was your mistake years But with Andrew Barry we've talked about this like He's got a knack for filling and being able to like patch up a Deficiency on the team whether it's like okay the offensive line was bad last year and he'll fix the offensive line But then it's like all the defensive lines suck well, then he'll fix the defensive line well.
42:30
[SPEAKER_02]: We didn't have any receiver.
42:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, then he'll get a receiver Yeah, well, then our secondary was poor.
42:34
[SPEAKER_02]: So
42:35
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like now he's put all his eggs into this defense basket and the defense is great and the collected entirely on offense and this is what you get.
42:44
[SPEAKER_02]: So my fear is like okay, say he builds up and fixes the offense by then the defense is going to suck because he can't do it all at the same time I feel like.
42:55
[SPEAKER_05]: So that's what his track record is, I mean, I would say though during the course of his time here, he has picked defensive players and drafted, okay there.
43:05
[SPEAKER_05]: The offensive sign has just been awful, but I mean, he's mainly had to make trades to get an influx of any kind of talent like you brought Amari Cooper in.
43:16
[SPEAKER_05]: He had to do free agent signings for the offensive line, and then we've done nothing
43:24
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it does the draft class this year kind of buy him more time, probably does, but I mean, I don't know if you're Andrew Barry, if you're Kevin's to Fansky, if you're me, he hasn't.
43:36
[SPEAKER_05]: You just can't be happy looking at the product on the field right now.
43:40
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, if I was Kevin's to Fansky and got that offense that I got at the beginning of this year, I don't even know if I'd want to show up to be honest with you, you know what I mean?
43:53
[UNKNOWN]: Like,
43:53
[SPEAKER_05]: It'll be honestly, you know, it'll be surprising to see what they do this year.
44:00
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, you would think they keep Stephansky based on what you're hearing.
44:03
[SPEAKER_05]: But, I mean, to go, you know, multiple seasons with double digit losses, that's hard to come out of.
44:11
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because like we kind of have been saying here, Brad, you can come on up now.
44:15
[SPEAKER_02]: We probably got one win.
44:16
[SPEAKER_02]: It's probably Sunday and that's probably about it for the rest of the season.
44:19
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see how things shake out toward the end with injuries on these other opponents that we have coming up.
44:23
[SPEAKER_02]: But we're probably looking at seven and twenty seven over the last two years.
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45:39
[SPEAKER_07]: I know I posted on here the other night a people were about to be asleep.
45:45
[SPEAKER_07]: But I know some people like to compare different eras to this era.
45:51
[SPEAKER_07]: It's sometimes hard just you know wind loss kind of thing because of like how bad those teams were during that time or how good our team was at that time.
46:09
[SPEAKER_07]: We lose this game on Sunday.
46:11
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, you're going, I'm going to be real loud about firing Kevin Stephansky, not that I'm already not.
46:17
[SPEAKER_07]: But I want to be real.
46:19
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to be real.
46:20
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, it's definitely in the city of my friend.
46:23
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a good, it's a good point though, because this is a team that Tennessee Titans, they were the first team to fire their head coach this season.
46:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
46:31
[SPEAKER_02]: So we're coaching against the interim head coach.
46:33
[SPEAKER_02]: They've won one game all year.
46:34
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know who it was.
46:36
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't look up their schedule because I don't care They should be an easily beatable team with the defense that we have playing at home There's no reason there's no reason to lose this game in my opinion no reason
46:46
[SPEAKER_05]: We said the same thing about the Jets We like 14 points on the board with special teams exactly.
46:52
[SPEAKER_07]: You have to like there has to be some kind of buy in other than just we're wearing alpha dog uniforms and we're too And oh Speaking of that Kenny Yes, we've been undefeated alpha dog uniforms, but I was there for all those games too, and I won't be there
47:10
[SPEAKER_05]: So you're saying I go farming pages and it is what we need to get you at this game.
47:15
[SPEAKER_05]: Because you all want to see a win.
47:18
[SPEAKER_07]: I had to play some like a Christmas concert or I would be there.
47:26
[SPEAKER_07]: A Christmas concert.
47:29
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
47:29
[SPEAKER_07]: That's a Christmas fundraiser kind of thing for like mental health and stuff.
47:33
[SPEAKER_02]: That's cool.
47:34
[SPEAKER_07]: Where's that?
47:35
[SPEAKER_07]: You want to shout it out?
47:36
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
47:36
[SPEAKER_07]: It's something cool.
47:39
[SPEAKER_07]: I'd love to be the game with you guys with the suffering, you know.
47:45
[SPEAKER_07]: No, but my prediction is my old gets two stacks of this game may be two and a half.
48:02
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm going to say, Juckins gets 80 yards rushing, a touchdown, and should door throws for another one, maybe, and we win by a field goal, however that plays out.
48:18
[SPEAKER_07]: So yeah, basically 17 points.
48:21
[SPEAKER_07]: This is a game.
48:22
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, if you if you've watched the Titans at all, this year, and I haven't watched a ton, but just what I have seen.
48:29
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, I have a hard time seeing them score.
48:33
[SPEAKER_02]: I really do.
48:34
[SPEAKER_02]: If you look at Cam, more, he's got seven touchdowns.
48:36
[SPEAKER_02]: He started every game this year, 12 games, and he's thrown seven touchdowns.
48:40
[SPEAKER_02]: They can't run the ball very well.
48:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I don't know where their points come from, other than us doing something stupid, like special teams or just handing them points.
48:48
[SPEAKER_02]: But for them to actually go out and generate and earn points against our defense this week, I just, I don't know how they get more than 10, maybe?
48:56
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
48:56
[SPEAKER_02]: It could be a very low score game.
48:59
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I'd have to send to our defensive line as decimated for some reason and it's tough to lose Collins this week.
49:06
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
49:07
[SPEAKER_05]: And we're a little bit thin on the opposite side of miles.
49:11
[SPEAKER_05]: That being said, there's still enough horses in this stable to put pressure on this team and they're kind of mid on past block from what I can see on the PFF metrics.
49:21
[SPEAKER_05]: But, uh,
49:22
[SPEAKER_05]: our defensive line versus theirs and the way our linebackers are playing, the way that delpit's playing, even our first two set of corners, we should be able to lock them down unless again it's special team gaff after gaff and we fumble the ball on our own, you know, ten yard line, we're just hand in the points like last week.
49:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
49:44
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, all I'm going to say is if we let another special teams touch down, go, I'm just going to start just Aggying above a trod all over every social media age I can and is blasting them.
50:01
[SPEAKER_07]: Like, right, get in line.
50:07
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, my bro, man.
50:09
[SPEAKER_07]: like do.
50:11
[SPEAKER_07]: But yeah, I think we should win Sunday, but you know, if we lose, then it's going to be real loud for having not being here anymore.
50:23
[SPEAKER_07]: It's all going to say.
50:24
[SPEAKER_05]: Hey, we receivers got to show up.
50:26
[SPEAKER_05]: The receivers got to get separation.
50:28
[SPEAKER_05]: We got to do something.
50:29
[SPEAKER_05]: We got to do something other than pass to our backside of the backfield and our tight ends could do what they want.
50:36
[SPEAKER_05]: you know, they've been getting open down field, but the receivers got to do something and buy what you look at the stats.
50:43
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, he is targeting the Morris, so that's that's a good thing.
50:46
[SPEAKER_05]: But get Judy to earn some kind of money this week.
50:49
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's what I want to talk about, too, here real quick.
50:51
[SPEAKER_02]: And if anybody else wants to come up and talk before we wrap this thing up here in the next 10, 50 minutes, get your hands up, we'll bring up.
50:57
[SPEAKER_02]: But when I was going through looking stats for these two teams and everything, the Titans, we think we're bad and Blake talks about this all the time.
51:04
[SPEAKER_02]: Like our wide receiver course, bad, the only other team that could maybe have a worse one than like we're kind of fighting over, who's got the worst wide receiver course, the Titans.
51:11
[SPEAKER_02]: They got nobody.
51:12
[SPEAKER_02]: They got nobody.
51:13
[SPEAKER_02]: Fun fact, they're leading past catcher.
51:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Just like us, is also their tight end, Chagoconquo.
51:18
[SPEAKER_02]: He's got 39 receptions for 406 yards, but he has no touchdowns.
51:21
[SPEAKER_02]: We've got Harold Fannon Jr. 51 receptions for 505 and 3.
51:26
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's the most on her team in all of those categories.
51:29
[SPEAKER_02]: So our receiving department is a bizmoan for everybody complaining and moan in about Shidorah Sanders taking sacks, which I've already talked about.
51:38
[SPEAKER_02]: He really has not.
51:40
[SPEAKER_02]: in the in the starts that he's had.
51:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Cam Ward has started 11 games.
51:44
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure he's taken 48 sacks.
51:46
[SPEAKER_02]: 362 total yards lost this year on sacks.
51:50
[SPEAKER_02]: That's 4.3 a game.
51:52
[SPEAKER_02]: So Miles Garrett should definitely be adding to his sacked total Sunday.
51:57
[SPEAKER_02]: No doubt.
51:59
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, like I mean, you're talking about the receivers and I was just looking this up.
52:03
[SPEAKER_05]: So you have the you have the rookie you have e-lick a minor you have a chimera diek and you have D. K. Van Jefferson D. K. Sorry.
52:13
[SPEAKER_05]: Looks like I know.
52:14
[SPEAKER_05]: But anyways, you know what I mean, but in Van Jefferson we should be able to lock those guys down like Calvin Ridley's on IR and then in the back up we have our old returnman James Prochet the second wish we've had him back now You know I mean just to return some some points pen and but overall like we should be able to lock these guys down and they're running games okay with Polar and
52:44
[SPEAKER_05]: Spears spears.
52:46
[SPEAKER_05]: So you have to you have to shut that down.
52:49
[SPEAKER_05]: I thought we did we did an okay job against Christian McCaffrey.
52:52
[SPEAKER_05]: So we should we can't just let these guys be stars this week.
52:55
[SPEAKER_05]: You have to put them in their place and show them why they're a one and 14 team or whatever one on 11 and nobody on Tennessee has been a lot of
53:04
[SPEAKER_02]: This season for them on offense.
53:06
[SPEAKER_02]: So I can't start this week.
53:07
[SPEAKER_02]: You're right and I don't think it will.
53:09
[SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to mention real quick injuries Wyatt Teller already been ruled out for Sunday with a calf injury or maybe a calf injury Nobody really knows what's going on with him.
53:18
[SPEAKER_02]: His wife and mother do not seem to agree with the injury
53:22
[SPEAKER_02]: A label, Jack Conklin, concussion protocol, most likely he's not going to play.
53:27
[SPEAKER_02]: He hasn't practiced yet this week, and I don't see, you know, you don't ever play the week after you leave a game with a concussion anymore, just doesn't happen.
53:34
[SPEAKER_05]: It's like nine days.
53:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, nine days, I think, is the earliest you can come back.
53:38
[SPEAKER_02]: We got Devon Bush who's been a DNP with a foot injury the last two days.
53:43
[SPEAKER_02]: So his practice status tomorrow is going to be huge for his availability on Sunday.
53:48
[SPEAKER_02]: I hope he plays because Devon Bush has been having a hell of a season.
53:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, just kind of grown.
53:53
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for sure.
53:54
[SPEAKER_02]: And then, um, 8 in Huntington should be out again, quad injury DNP all week.
54:00
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, Isaiah McWire was a DNP yesterday, but he was limited today.
54:03
[SPEAKER_02]: And joke has been limited all week.
54:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Dylan Samson has not practiced yet this week.
54:08
[SPEAKER_02]: It's to fanski earlier this, you know, a long thing on Monday said he's like day to day.
54:12
[SPEAKER_02]: Not looking good for his availability and Alex Wright has been logging some limited practices with that quad injury.
54:18
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think we'll probably get him out there this week.
54:23
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it looks like Jerome Ford might get a bit more look this week.
54:27
[SPEAKER_05]: He is fast, maybe we can do something in the screen game with him.
54:31
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, I've been kind of bang in the table for Raheem Sanders, the rocket.
54:36
[SPEAKER_05]: Let's see if he can do anything like, I mean, ultimately, you want to wear down this team.
54:40
[SPEAKER_05]: He's a bigger guy and he doesn't mind going off tackler or up the middle, so let's wear them down a little bit with Johnkins and Sanders, Sanders, the running back that is.
54:51
[SPEAKER_02]: and hopefully that's something that we can accomplish this week and yeah yeah I definitely hope we can run the ball and then stick with it because that's going to be that's going to be the key for us okay so we got about 10 minutes or so anybody else want to come up get your hands up I did you know I just mentioned the thing oh we got Jeff are you sure this time last time it was a false alarm let's see if he wants to come up or not okay Jeff are you doing
55:17
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna try to use some sort of fix, the wife or as well as the old line.
55:21
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna try to use some sort of fix, the wife or as well as the old line.
55:23
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna try to use some sort of fix, the wife or as well as the old line.
55:25
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna try to use some sort of fix, the wife or as well as the old line.
55:29
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna try to use some sort of fix, the wife or as well as the old line.
55:32
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna try to use some sort of fix, the wife or as well as the old line.
55:34
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna try to use some sort of fix, the wife or as well as the old line.
55:38
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna try to use some sort of fix, the wife or as well as the old line.
55:44
[SPEAKER_03]: Do kind of understand, Brad is as well with Firecup, Kevin Span, I mean, point, but if they do fire him, he no coaches or one, they're going to waste our fix.
55:57
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to be one.
56:01
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
56:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Hang on second, Jeff.
56:02
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to cut you off real quick.
56:04
[SPEAKER_02]: Kenny, is he cutting up real bad for you?
56:07
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I'm having a hard time hearing what you're saying, but there's what we're going to do if I want to ask you to get rid of Stephanski, it'll be hard to get another coach in and so that's I'll raise that.
56:19
[SPEAKER_05]: He's got his hand back up.
56:20
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know if it's going to get better if he comes through.
56:22
[SPEAKER_02]: I invited him back up to speak.
56:24
[SPEAKER_02]: Just to see if maybe the connection needed.
56:26
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
56:27
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's all right.
56:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I raised that wish.
56:29
[SPEAKER_02]: So.
56:30
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a tough thing to say because you're not going to do it right now.
56:35
[SPEAKER_05]: It's like Blake says, I mean, you're just going to look like a bad organization.
56:40
[SPEAKER_05]: If you cut them now, and what's the difference between now and later?
56:44
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, if they lose out all the way, do we really maybe we end up winning in the end because we get a better pick, right?
56:49
[SPEAKER_05]: So it's tough to watch and we got a couple games left till January 6.
56:55
[SPEAKER_05]: So that's what happens, but let's see if Jeff's got his line back.
57:01
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, can you guys hear me now?
57:02
[SPEAKER_05]: Much better.
57:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Much better.
57:04
[SPEAKER_03]: That's way better.
57:05
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, sorry.
57:05
[SPEAKER_03]: It was the Bluetooth and my truck.
57:06
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm driving home from work.
57:08
[SPEAKER_02]: All good, man.
57:09
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no.
57:09
[SPEAKER_03]: No, long story short.
57:11
[SPEAKER_03]: When I was trying to say was, you know, based off your post earlier, regarding to Sean Watson, I agree with Brad, you know, Gavin's fancy definitely needs to be fired at the end of the season, but then again, it's going to stir our picks up all over again.
57:26
[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to be back to square one.
57:28
[SPEAKER_03]: I think personally, I think the Sean should or and they'll need to be our quarterback's next season as well, those picks for our old line, personal teams aren't, you know, our main.
57:40
[SPEAKER_03]: Because if we do fire, Kevin, I feel like it's going to be back to square one all over again.
57:44
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, we're going to have a quarterback or the trade up, do all these and our wider sea records, still going to be trash, our old line still going to be dog shit.
57:52
[SPEAKER_03]: So I feel like if we do any sort of those things, we're kind of going to have the same crappy season next season as well.
57:59
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I think a lot of it will also depend on what happens with the front office because if you get rid of Kevin.
58:05
[SPEAKER_02]: but Andrew Barry and everybody in the front office sticks around.
58:08
[SPEAKER_02]: Remember, they're the ones who invested in Shador Sanders.
58:11
[SPEAKER_02]: So they might have a little bit more pull with a new coaching staff saying, hey, listen, we would really like to use these picks to build up the offense and give Shador a season here to see what he can do.
58:22
[SPEAKER_02]: We've still got obviously to Sean Watson and all the money tied up in him.
58:25
[SPEAKER_02]: So this is what you're working with for your first year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And now that might deter
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[SPEAKER_02]: candidates.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They might not like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, but I think as long as Andrew Barry still here, I would, if they fire everybody, like just clean house than I'm with you, definitely with you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think then whoever's on the team this year is that jeopardy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because basically the Sean is going to be here until 2007 anyway.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, might as well make it worth the
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I have a whole new coach comes one thing I've always wanted is just like The stop the band ate work like we draft the quarterback and it's it's not really by a certain regime like look at Baker Baker was drafted by you But I don't even know if you really wanted them then we get many questions in here.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Then we get then we get Kevin's a fan ski to fix it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I would like at some point just we get
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[SPEAKER_05]: Jimmy the coach to come in pick his guy and go from it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We haven't done that since Tim Coach was here when we had our original coach back in our reboot of 99, right?
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[SPEAKER_05]: And then again, it was which Davis came in, tried to revive him, but like Kelly Holcomb better and it's just this non
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[SPEAKER_05]: ever ending cycle of not matching the right coach with the right quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So in one phase, I would think, oh man, that would be fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But if we invest in Chador, I mean, we don't know what it really is yet.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Let's see what he gets to by the end of this season and go from there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, I agree.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's definitely progressing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, as of now, it's not like he's stagnant like Dylan Gabriel.
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[SPEAKER_03]: feel like it keeps progressing and be better off just the more else.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, I talked about the two, you know, the first two stars between Dylan and Shador and how Shador, I mean, like I think his numbers are in more indicative of, you know, better performances than what Dylan was giving us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, in the chat, then Andrew Jackson said, like, think about who they played.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm not so concerned about who they played, because remember, Dylan played the Steelers and the Steelers aren't like this big tough team this year, or anything like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, Shador got to play the Raiders.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he also, it's been offset by how little practice and experience that he's gotten compared to Dylan all the way through like that stuff matters.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know some people will try to like just, you know, discard that and say it doesn't matter, but I even posted like the first two starts for Kim Ward and he was named the starter right away.
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[SPEAKER_02]: His numbers were worse than Shouldors, and if you go back last year, look at Caleb Williams first two career NFL starts.
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[SPEAKER_02]: His numbers were worse than Shouldors.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Go back and look at Bo Nix's first two starts last year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: His numbers were worse than Shouldors.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's why I'm like, hey, it's been two starts.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's see what he can do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Agreed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Colton says Dylan played the damn jazz.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's true.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, that's not included in the stats for the first two starts, but that is a very fair point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Jeff, is there anything else because actually Colton wants to get up here quick.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, sir.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I appreciate you guys.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Appreciate hearing from you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Have a great weekend.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Colton will get you up here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You'll probably be our last one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then we'll wrap it up.
1:01:38
[SPEAKER_02]: What's going on, man?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Not too much.
1:01:41
[SPEAKER_04]: I'd like to think that you save the best for last, but that will not be the case with me
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[SPEAKER_04]: Hey, real quick, what's your prediction, Saturday night Josh and Kenny, well, you guys think it.
1:01:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, geez.
1:01:55
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, there's no way that I think Indiana can be Ohio State.
1:01:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, I could be wrong.
1:01:59
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, but I just, I've watched Ohio State play all season.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They are a juggernaut.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody's on their level.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think what's the spread?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Isn't it like four and a half or something?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Something close.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Last I checked, I believe it was right around there.
1:02:13
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, yeah, I think it's gonna be more than that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think Ohio State makes a statement and we're gonna kick off the playoff stretch here and you know, where the statement went over, what's really cool is this is one verse two.
1:02:25
[SPEAKER_02]: And back in the day, one verse two is always, that was the National Championship game, you know?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we kind of get like an old-school National Championship game here just for the big 10 championship.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's gonna be fun.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I can't wait for that game.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I was going to say, I think it's going to be like 28 to 17, something like that.
1:02:45
[SPEAKER_05]: Like I don't the only thing that I haven't watched any Indiana ball, so I just don't know what their defense of backs are like.
1:02:53
[SPEAKER_05]: Like if our receivers have a day against their defensive backs, maybe it could get out of hand, but I just don't know what the Indiana defense is like, because all I hear is about
1:03:09
[SPEAKER_05]: And he'll be able to put 17 points on the board.
1:03:13
[SPEAKER_05]: But I think with our receiver core, we should at least get four touchdowns.
1:03:17
[SPEAKER_05]: Just between a running game, play action, you know, get that ball down the field too, the playmakers.
1:03:24
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I feel like we're peeking right now.
1:03:26
[SPEAKER_04]: It's such a good time going to play off that we're going to be a jargon off for anybody to match up against.
1:03:31
[SPEAKER_04]: So just kind of want to hear your thoughts on that.
1:03:33
[SPEAKER_04]: But hey, in a world where Kevin gets inspired, what do you think about Jim Schwartz being the next man up?
1:03:41
[SPEAKER_02]: I've always kind of not so big on shorts as the head coach and he would I remember him when he was coaching the lions and just it wasn't good, you know, just didn't and I don't know all the details of that situation and everything I had to go back and look it up, but I don't know.
1:03:56
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just I'm not as big on it, Kenny.
1:04:00
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know what is in game management's like to be honest with you, I would have to see maybe his defense give a little bit better on third down efficiency.
1:04:10
[SPEAKER_05]: But if he was the coach, then he would be leaving it up to an offensive guy to make all the decisions.
1:04:17
[SPEAKER_05]: So while he would be the head coach,
1:04:19
[SPEAKER_05]: and oversee the operation the offensive guy would be the assistant head coach and the the main playmaker like with him not really making too much say into the actual offensive part of the game so like as far as like an established um...
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[SPEAKER_05]: Office coordinator can't think we're not off the top of my head, but that's ultimately what I want to see, and it have to be something that would be conducive to, you know, keeping Shidorah, and he would probably, you know, how defensive coaches are, they want to run the ball a lot.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So it's not much would change, I don't think, based on the way that Tommy Reese runs the offense.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I just, I don't see it, but I mean, maybe he, he gets someone in here, like, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I can't think of an awesome offensive coordinator right now, but that guy just runs his offense and he has no staying in it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the name that was coming to mind for me, like if he was to come get a no see was possibly a call him former Tennessee and coach just got fired.
1:05:33
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but that's that's something that that's exactly what I was looking for like a guy that can call it on his own Guess it worked with his dad again.
1:05:40
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, we believe in that system as far as what his dad can get going without wide-zone scheme So yeah, that's exactly what I was looking for.
1:05:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I wouldn't actually Yeah, I wouldn't be so upset about having Brian Callahan and Bill Callahan back on the staff especially since they both understand and have been in and have had success in the AFC North
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[SPEAKER_04]: very great points, but yeah, just, you know how the Browns week goes, you're not going to wait to be, but we're going to be a root for whether it's draft new coaching staff, so I always appreciate your input.
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