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The Late Debate | 17 February · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Lately the general welcome late to play well, thanks for
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  Speaker 1: joining us.
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  Speaker 2: I'm James Macpherson with Caleb Bond and filling in for
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  Speaker 2: Listra Caroline Marcus. We've got a lot to get through tonight,
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  Speaker 2: including you know, there's a fair bit of animosity between
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  Speaker 2: the US and Canada at the moment after Donald Trump
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  Speaker 2: suggested that Canada should become the fifty first US state
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  Speaker 2: will they faced off in an ice hockey game at
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  Speaker 2: the weekend. There wasn't a lot of hockey. We'll show
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  Speaker 2: you what did happen a little later. Plus, when we
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  Speaker 2: look at the papers, concerns that Australian school students know
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  Speaker 2: almost nothing about our political system. It tends to show
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  Speaker 2: around voting time and fire departments issue fresh warnings about
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  Speaker 2: the dangers of e scooters. All of that when we
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  Speaker 2: get to the papers. Oh, there's also possibly a rate
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  Speaker 2: cut tomorrow, the papers doing that one as well.
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  Speaker 1: We'll look at that a bit later.
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  Speaker 2: But first, with the polls turning against him, Anthony Albinezi
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  Speaker 2: has sought help to revive his fortunes. So who do
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  Speaker 2: you think Anthony Albanesi is turning to for advice? Remember
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  Speaker 2: Anthony Albenese's never been particularly good at reading the room,
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  Speaker 2: which perhaps explains why Australia's I don't know dopious man
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  Speaker 2: has turned to Australia's most hated man for help, Daniel Andrews.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, Anthony Albanesi, in need of help, has decided
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  Speaker 2: to turn to the former Victorian Premier, Dan Andrews to
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  Speaker 2: help him prepare for debates with Peter Dutton. Now, I
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  Speaker 2: know most people regard Dan Andrews as having been the
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  Speaker 2: consummate political mastermind. He did win three elections, after all,
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  Speaker 2: but Caleb and Caroline that's mostly because he avoided tough
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  Speaker 2: interviews famously, he didn't go on three aw for years.
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  Speaker 2: And of course Anthony Alberenezi needs to bear in mind
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  Speaker 2: unlike Victoria, Australia isn't gripped by Stockholm syndrome.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Neil Mitchell, I'm told still takes sleeping pills to
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  Speaker 3: get over the fact that Daniel Andrews wouldn't talk to
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  Speaker 3: him for years and years and years. But you're right,
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  Speaker 3: I mean he is one of the best. Actually, I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to say he is the best politician this country.
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  Speaker 3: Daniel Andrews iman has seen in fifty years. When I
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  Speaker 3: say best, I don't mean that he did great things
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  Speaker 3: for Victoria, but that he was just an excellent politician.
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  Speaker 3: He understands how to gather and hoard power and to
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  Speaker 3: then use that over everyone else.
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  Speaker 4: That's why he.
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  Speaker 3: Was so successful as premier. Not because he was necessarily
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  Speaker 3: the greatest salesman to the public, but he understands power
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  Speaker 3: and how power works better than almost anyone else in
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  Speaker 3: this country. And he single handedly turned the Labor Party
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  Speaker 3: in Victoria from the Labor right to the socialist left.
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  Speaker 3: And by the end of his premiership he had ministers,
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  Speaker 3: including Tim Pallas who just recently departed as a treasurer
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  Speaker 3: and on the way out left a ten percent swing
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  Speaker 3: against his party in his seat of Werribee, coming from
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  Speaker 3: the Labor right to sign up to the socialist left
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  Speaker 3: so he can remain as treasurer. That is how Daniel
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  Speaker 3: Andrews operated. That is what Albanez he wants. He wants
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  Speaker 3: a bit of that big dog energy that Daniel Andrews had,
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  Speaker 3: because he is as limp as a piece of wet letters.
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  Speaker 3: To use the line, of course that another Labor leader,
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  Speaker 3: Paul Keating once used once upon a time, and it's
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  Speaker 3: no surprise that he would go to someone like Daniel
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  Speaker 3: Andrews for a bit of advice. The only problem I
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  Speaker 3: suspect is that it ain't going to do much for him.
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  Speaker 3: I mean at this point in the game, and if
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  Speaker 3: you look at the debate he had last time in
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  Speaker 3: when was it?
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  Speaker 4: When was the last leg?
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  Speaker 1: Twenty two Scott Morrison, I mean, it feels.
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  Speaker 3: Like yesterday anyway, it feels like a day. I still
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  Speaker 3: I remember sitting there on the night in the news.
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  Speaker 4: It feels like yesterday to me. But the debates they had.
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  Speaker 3: Last time were terrible, right, he was so out of form,
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  Speaker 3: so I'm not surprised that Albo would want to give
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  Speaker 3: it a better go this time. I don't think you
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  Speaker 3: could tell him anything though. He's just weak in front
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  Speaker 3: of a camera.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think that changes.
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  Speaker 1: What do you reckon? Carole?
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  Speaker 5: I disagree with Caleb. I think it's one thing to
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  Speaker 5: captivate a Victorian demographic. It's another thing altogether to win
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  Speaker 5: over the rest of the country. And if you put
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  Speaker 5: Dan Andrews almost anywhere else in the country, I don't
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  Speaker 5: think he would have performed as well as he did
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  Speaker 5: in Victoria, where Let's face it, a lot of the
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  Speaker 5: voters are not like anywhere else in Australia, and at
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  Speaker 5: the moment he's not even He's pretty on the nose
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  Speaker 5: himself within his own state, after what came out of
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  Speaker 5: the review into what happened with the car crash that
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  Speaker 5: he was involved in, after revelations that he's taken this
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  Speaker 5: very cushy consultancy job post politics. So I don't know
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  Speaker 5: that it would even help Anthony Albanezi win in places
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  Speaker 5: like Queensland, where the latest News poll shows that he's
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  Speaker 5: recorded the highest dissatisfaction ratings. That's the seats that those
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  Speaker 5: are the places he really needs to convince, not the
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  Speaker 5: people in Victoria who Daniel Andrews was speaking to in
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  Speaker 5: keeping his power. Those people are already on labor side.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe some of them might be thinking of going Greens,
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  Speaker 5: but those people are already one over. And I think
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  Speaker 5: there's probably this news looks terrible for the government that
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  Speaker 5: this has come out because among pretty much the rest
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  Speaker 5: of the country, if not as a point out Victoria itself,
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  Speaker 5: he is deeply unpopular. Daniel leaving in Victoria.
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  Speaker 2: I mean he can't join a golf club. Kenny in
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  Speaker 2: his own state. They don't want him as a member.
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  Speaker 2: You mentioned Newspaul. Let's have a quick look at some
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  Speaker 2: of the latest results from Newspaul out over the weekend.
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  Speaker 2: The two party preferred vote sees Labor on forty nine
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  Speaker 2: percent training the Coalition on fifty one percent. Anthony Alberinezi
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  Speaker 2: is still regarded as the better prime minister.
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  Speaker 1: He leads Peter Dutton by five points.
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  Speaker 2: And when it comes to whether Labour should be given
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  Speaker 2: a second term, well that's good news for Albanzi. Only
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  Speaker 2: thirty four percent of voters say yes he deserves another
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  Speaker 2: go in the lodge, fifty three percent saying no, he
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  Speaker 2: does not, thirteen percent still unsure.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, their.
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  Speaker 2: Primary vote at the moment is just thirty one percent.
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  Speaker 2: That's the lowest ever, and bear in mind it's lowest
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  Speaker 2: still than at the last election when it was thirty
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  Speaker 2: two point six percent. What Dan Andrews is going to
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  Speaker 2: do specifically for Peter for Anthe Albanesi hang on. I
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  Speaker 2: was about to say Peter Dutton, but I'll tell you why,
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  Speaker 2: because Albaneze will have to debate Dutton, and Albanzi is
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  Speaker 2: a terrible debater.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he's terrible with detail.
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  Speaker 2: Remember prior to the last election, he was quizzed on
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  Speaker 2: some pretty basic economic information and he couldn't come up
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  Speaker 2: with the cash rate, for instance. So he's going to
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  Speaker 2: be rehearsing debates and Dan Andrews is going to stand
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  Speaker 2: in and pretend to be Peter Dutton in these mock debates,
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  Speaker 2: preparing him for the real thing.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe Andrews will help because he'll run rings around Albanese
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  Speaker 2: as a debate exactly.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean he'll be.
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  Speaker 2: Teaching Albanezer to say things like I don't recall, that's
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  Speaker 2: not how I remember it.
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  Speaker 1: I have no recollection of that. We're doing good things.
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  Speaker 2: I mean that's pretty much what he said for nine
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  Speaker 2: years as the premiere.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, well, if Elbow starts saying, look, we're just following
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  Speaker 3: your health advice, and I will defer to brit Sutton
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  Speaker 3: on this, or perhaps Shane Patton, who of course has
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  Speaker 3: just lost his job as police commissioner in Victoria, we
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  Speaker 3: should be a bit worried.
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  Speaker 4: But the polling you mentioned there with news POLM, there was.
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  Speaker 3: Quite a few poles out over the weekend, and I
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  Speaker 3: know Paul was going into detail on some of them.
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  Speaker 4: Just an hour ago.
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  Speaker 3: But it's interesting if you look at the Ugov pole
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  Speaker 3: which came out yesterday and the ABC was running, which
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  Speaker 3: went down into sort of a seat by seat breakdown.
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  Speaker 3: What we're talking about here is two interesting things. One
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  Speaker 3: is that none of the TL seats, according to this pole,
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  Speaker 3: would go back to the Libs, which to me indicates
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  Speaker 3: that the Libs need to forget about the inner city
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  Speaker 3: and they need to folks on the outer suburbs. Because
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  Speaker 3: the other thing this pole found was that outer suburban
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  Speaker 3: Melbourne and outer suburban Sydney were the two places where
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  Speaker 3: they had found the biggest swings towards the Liberal Party.
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  Speaker 4: Keep in mind these are areas with large migrant.
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  Speaker 3: Populations as well, and that on that pole, Labor would
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  Speaker 3: lose three seats in the Hunter, which is coal Marning
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  Speaker 3: territory that has always been labor heartland. So what we're
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  Speaker 3: looking at here is a major turnaround in the stocks
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  Speaker 3: of who votes for the Labor Party and who votes
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  Speaker 3: for the Liberal Party, which in politics in the last
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  Speaker 3: four or five decades is almost unprecedented.
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  Speaker 2: Basically, the other interesting thing, Caroline, is that these polls
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  Speaker 2: found very little difference in men and women when asked
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  Speaker 2: do we need a change of government? I think it
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  Speaker 2: was fifty three percent of men said yes and fifty
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  Speaker 2: two percent of women. So maybe the Liberals don't need
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  Speaker 2: to worry too much about their perceived women problem either.
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  Speaker 2: Just get on with good policies rather than quotas and
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  Speaker 2: all that kind of not Just remember they famously ditched
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  Speaker 2: Warren Mundine as a pre selected candidate because they felt
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  Speaker 2: they needed a woman in that seat.
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  Speaker 5: Look, I mean, as our colleague Peter Kretlin put it
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  Speaker 5: so well the other week, women vote on the same
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  Speaker 5: issues as men. They're also concerned with cost of living
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  Speaker 5: for their families. They're also concerned with immigration levels, housing, affordability, crime.
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  Speaker 5: Of course, there's some separate concerns that women have that
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  Speaker 5: perhaps men don't. But these are not issues that generally
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  Speaker 5: speaking drive people at elections, and it's certainly not for
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  Speaker 5: a lot of women. How many women give me the
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  Speaker 5: percentage breakdown they are in a party? I mean, I
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  Speaker 5: think a lot of women would feel the way I
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  Speaker 5: do and despise that kind of tokenism. Don't want to
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  Speaker 5: see women being put in a certain position simply because
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  Speaker 5: of their gender. It's offensive. So look, I'm not surprised
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  Speaker 5: to see that results and I think it just validates
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  Speaker 5: what so many of us have been saying for so long.
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  Speaker 5: But look, speaking of Anthony Albanisi, who would have thought it.
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  Speaker 5: But the ABC has been inundated with complaints for being
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  Speaker 5: too pro coalition after the Prime Minister gave a testy
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  Speaker 5: interview with the public broadcasters Alice Springs Breakfast Show. Stuart
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  Speaker 5: Brash conducted an interview with mister Albanzi on February seven
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  Speaker 5: when he visited the Northern Territory and the Ompartsman revealed
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  Speaker 5: a report revealed twenty one complaints were made to the
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  Speaker 5: ABC about that interview. Apparently, complainants were concerned the interview
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  Speaker 5: lacked in partiality because the interviewer asked questions that demonstrated
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  Speaker 5: a pro coalition bias and repeatedly interrupted the Prime minister.
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  Speaker 1: We've got a little bit of that interview.
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  Speaker 2: Let's have a listen and then we'll talk about whether
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  Speaker 2: or not the ABC gave the Prime minister two difficult
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  Speaker 2: a time.
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  Speaker 1: Here's what happened.
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  Speaker 4: Interesting, I thought you're going to go with me for verbaling.
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  Speaker 4: You ever being on the nose with.
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  Speaker 1: The electorc as opposed to being an underdog.
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  Speaker 3: But that's okay, Can I ask you one last thing?
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  Speaker 2: Beat whatever, there's enough people joined in, there's a bit
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  Speaker 2: of a media and the ABC joined in on it sometimes.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I've got to say.
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  Speaker 2: I've got to say twenty one complaints. That must have
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  Speaker 2: been everyone who was listening to that radio program rang
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  Speaker 2: in to complain. But what was more revealing I felt
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  Speaker 2: than the interviewers probing of Anthony Albanezi. And I mean,
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  Speaker 2: he is on the nose with the electorate. Their primary
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  Speaker 2: vote is as low as it's ever been. It was
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  Speaker 2: a fair enough question, but Elberinizi then complained about the
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  Speaker 2: ABC interviewer giving him a tough time, saying we've got
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  Speaker 2: enough media outlets doing that without the ABC, which sort
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  Speaker 2: of is saying the quiet part out loud that the
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  Speaker 2: Prime Minister actually expects to be given easy run by
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  Speaker 2: the National Broadcast, which is what we've always said, and
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  Speaker 2: the Prime Minister clearly thinks, yes, they ought to.
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  Speaker 3: Well, when he gives them payol or of a billion
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  Speaker 3: dollars a year, he might expect something in return. Indeed,
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  Speaker 3: and this goes back to the point we're making before
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  Speaker 3: about why he's got Daniel andrews In.
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  Speaker 4: He has a tendency to do this.
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  Speaker 3: He gets really testy with interviewers when they go places
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  Speaker 3: he doesn't like. We've seen him do it with our
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  Speaker 3: own Pete Stefanovic when he's tried to question him on
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  Speaker 3: comments he's made before. He's done the same thing over
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  Speaker 3: on the Today Show. When you get into territory, particularly
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  Speaker 3: previously he's been talking about the RBA and comments that
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  Speaker 3: have been made about whether or not government money contributes
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  Speaker 3: to inflation.
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  Speaker 4: He goes, oh, no, the RBA has never said that.
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  Speaker 4: You're making that up.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's all on the public record. And his response
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  Speaker 3: to things he doesn't like is not to go look,
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  Speaker 3: I disagree with you on that.
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  Speaker 4: One.
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  Speaker 3: Next question, he actually gets angry, and I think that
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  Speaker 3: says a lot about where the Prime Minister's head is at.
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  Speaker 3: He is supposedly saying behind closed doors that he thinks
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  Speaker 3: he can win the next election with an increased majority, right.
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  Speaker 3: I think in his head though, he knows he's in
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  Speaker 3: a bit of trouble and that's how he gets into
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  Speaker 3: a position like this. As for the twenty one people
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  Speaker 3: seemed in a complaint, I mean, come on, imagine having
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  Speaker 3: that much time in your day and loving the Prime
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  Speaker 3: Minister so much that you would actually write into the
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  Speaker 3: ABC to say that I think there's a great bastion
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  Speaker 3: of left wing broadcasting is somehow biased against.
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  Speaker 5: The Prime mist It actually doesn't surprise me, because if
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  Speaker 5: you look at the amount of complaints that the ABC
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  Speaker 5: had over its coverage of the Guars at War, for instance,
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  Speaker 5: the majority of them have accused the ABC of being
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  Speaker 5: too pro Israel. Its audience is just so starved of
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  Speaker 5: any balance that when there's any semblance of some even
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  Speaker 5: just the faintest whiff of it, as there has been
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  Speaker 5: with the Guys and Conflicts coverage, then there's accusations of bias.
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  Speaker 5: In this example, it seemed pretty straightforward to me. This
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  Speaker 5: was a stock standard political interview. It's how it should
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  Speaker 5: be conducted. You have to ask tough questions of people
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  Speaker 5: and power, hold them to account, ask for clarification. Sometimes
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  Speaker 5: that requires interruption, which the host seemed to do fairly,
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  Speaker 5: and that's normal. But the ABC listeners and viewers have
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  Speaker 5: just come to expect that the broadcaster is a mouthpiece
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  Speaker 5: for the government.
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  Speaker 2: We should give some credit to the ABC radio host
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  Speaker 2: Stuart Brash for taking on the Prime Minister brash by
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  Speaker 2: nature exactly.
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  Speaker 4: That was the problem.
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  Speaker 3: It was a little too brash for the gint listens
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  Speaker 3: of the abbey s. But have you seen the drips
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  Speaker 3: on x or Twitter as it used to be, who
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  Speaker 3: complain had nauseum that Insiders on a Sunday Morning has
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  Speaker 3: turned into some sort of liberal party mouthpiece. There are
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  Speaker 3: actually ABC viewers out there who watched the ABC and
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  Speaker 3: even the ABC is not left wing enough for them.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, that's the sort of crazies we're talking about here.
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  Speaker 3: Caroline mentioned Gaza before. You will remember, of course, the
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  Speaker 3: shocking case last week of two nurses in New South
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  Speaker 3: Wales who were working at Bankstown Hospital who were caught
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  Speaker 3: on film saying that they would kill Israeli patients and
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  Speaker 3: they would refuse to treat them, etc. The New South
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  Speaker 3: Wales government turned around straight away and said they will
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  Speaker 3: never work in a New South Wales hospital again, thank.
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  Speaker 4: You very much.
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  Speaker 3: The rest of the country followed soon after that all
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  Speaker 3: the other states said they'll never work in our hospitals
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  Speaker 3: again either. Well, they finally found some supporters. Would you
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  Speaker 3: believe it amongst a bunch of Islamic groups, Now you
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  Speaker 3: would think this would be the easiest thing in the world.
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  Speaker 4: If you want to make the point that.
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  Speaker 3: We don't actually agree with going that far. We might
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  Speaker 3: have our disagreements over whose land it is, Israel or Palestine,
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  Speaker 3: but surely we can all agree that you don't kill
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  Speaker 3: Israeli patients.
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  Speaker 4: Apparently not.
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  Speaker 3: This is from the odds today, a United Community COMMUNICA
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  Speaker 3: put together by Stand for Palestine, which was a group
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  Speaker 3: established and largely run by long standing his book Terrera
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  Speaker 3: Operatives and his book Terrea is an extremist organization.
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  Speaker 4: We know that, but this has other groups on board
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  Speaker 4: with it.
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  Speaker 3: It should be noted that the Muslim Votes, Independent Mob etc.
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  Speaker 4: Saying they've slammed.
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  Speaker 3: What they call a coordinated outrage, claiming the response to
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  Speaker 3: the two nurses comments was manufactured to serve a political narrative.
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  Speaker 3: This is the quote from their communicay. The most revealing
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  Speaker 3: aspect of the reaction to the nurses video is not
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  Speaker 3: the footage itself, but the speed, intensity, and uniformity of
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  Speaker 3: response from certain political leaders and media outlets. It read,
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  Speaker 3: which was endorsed by more than fifty bodies or leaders
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  Speaker 3: rang small mosques to statewide or nationwide groups. Outrage is
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  Speaker 3: manufactured when it serves a political narrative with silence deployed
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  Speaker 3: when the truth might expose the complicity of those in power.
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  Speaker 3: Silence over what exactly and what sort of feigned outrage?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, what a strange idea that if you heard
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  Speaker 3: someone saying that they would kill patients on the basis
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  Speaker 3: of their nationality, that there would.
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  Speaker 4: Be national outrage.
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  Speaker 3: And oh, some media outlets, every media outlet in the country,
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  Speaker 3: every mainstream media outlet, treated that exactly as it should
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  Speaker 3: have been treated. Every right thinking person in the country
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  Speaker 3: treated that exactly how it should have been treated. And
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  Speaker 3: yet you have more than fifty Islamic bodies in this
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  Speaker 3: country saying, oh, well, they were treated too harshly. And
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  Speaker 3: this goes to the point I was making last week
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  Speaker 3: that when you import religions and cultures that are anathema
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  Speaker 3: to yours, there will eventually come a point.
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  Speaker 4: Where we start to see the results of that.
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  Speaker 3: And I think this last week was one of those
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: moments where we go, hang on it, we actually have
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: a problem here, and then they're backed in by all
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: their compatriots. It proves the point.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: This begs a question to me that I've been grappling
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: with for some time, What exactly is the difference between
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: moderates and extremists, because I would love someone to explain
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: it to me. When you've got the Australian Federation of
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: Islamic Councils, when you've got the Islamic Council of Victoria,
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: the Islamic Council of Western Australia, these are so called
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: moderate Islamic groups signing the same document as Wa Sinhadid,
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: who described Jews as the descendants of pigs and monkeys.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: When you've got shik Ibrahim Dadoun, who said he was
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: elated at the October seven attacks on this same communicay
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: represented alongside these supposed moderate organizations. If you're moderate, you
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: say no to these extremists having anything to do with
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: your statement.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: We've all been involved in.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Politics and community organizations long enough that when joint communicators
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: are put out, you're very specific about who is part
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: of it and who is not part of it.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: How can you be moderate.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: When you're allowing people who have said Jews are apes monkeys,
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: that October seven was a day of elation. When you
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: allow them to be part of your statement, you forfeit
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: the right to call yourself a moderate organization. You have
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: become as extreme as those who sign your document, and
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: I think we need to stop talking about extremists moderates.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: We've got a real problem here.
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: Show me who your friends are, and I will tell
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: you who you are.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: The fact that they have signed a document not only
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: with the sheikhs and the hate preachers who you mentioned,
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: but with his book Terrier, which is not banned in
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: Australia shamefully, it should be banned in many other countries,
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: including Arab countries, for being too extremist, tells you everything
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: you need to know about these groups. Not one of
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: them has come out and unequivocally condemned, not this incident
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: or any of the other anti Submitic incidents, and there
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: have been so many since October seven. There's always an
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: attempt of minimization, of what aboutism, of reversing the victims
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: somehow making these nurses who threatened to kill Israelis and
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: have claimed that they've killed Israelis the victims in this episode.
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: It's deeply concerning. And then we saw Fatima Payman, the
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: former labor and a senator in Western Australia now in independence,
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: speak out and this is what she had to say
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: about it.
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: These individuals have been fired, banned from ever working as
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: nurses again, raided by police, placed under the most intense
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: public scrutiny, and now the ones being hospitalized, they've apologized, they.
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: Have been punished.
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: What is the end goal here? What exactly are we
• 20:47
  Speaker 6: trying to achieve justice or just public humiliation? We never
• 20:52
  Speaker 6: see the same level of anger and vitriol when the
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: roles are reversed, and.
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: Of course the roles are never reversed. She got I
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: was on to mention a case that is before the
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: courts of a woman who is a diagnosed schizophrenic who
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: drove her car at an Islamic shake that was in
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: the papers as well, that was covered, that is before
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: the cause. That woman has actually been charged, unlike these nurses,
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: which by the way, why haven't they been charged? What
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: are police waiting for here? But you know, I just
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: it sickens me that these groups cannot call this out
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: for what it is, and I think that it tells
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: you everything about who they are.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: The other hypocrisy here is they say that all of
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: this outrage about the nurses who boasted of killing Israeli
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: patients and threatened to kill more Fatima Payment says, they
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: made some comments.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: They didn't make no comments.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: They boasted about committing murder and they threatened to do
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: it again.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: That's not just comments.
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: And one of them was found with morphine in his locker.
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: They yeah a colleague to help clear out before the
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: police could find and as our colleague share remarks and
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: exposed earlier tonight, these were just the tip of the iceberg.
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: Correct healthcare industry is absolutely infiltrated with this type of
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: anti semitism.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: So then Fatima Payment says, this is all just a
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: political narrative, and that's what the Communica by fifty Islamic
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: organizations also said. But the hypocrisy here is that Fatima
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Payment is trying to create a political narrative because of
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: course she's running again, but now as an independent, she's
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: trying to gather together the Muslim community. Most of these
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Islamic organizations that signed them communicay are all about the
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Muslim voice.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: So if anyone is trying to create a political narrative
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: out of this, it's the Islamic community.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: And by the way, they say these outrageous things that oh,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: this is a political narrative, it's a coordinated manufactured outrage
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: and we all think, how.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: The heck can they say that? But they're not talking
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: to us.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: They're talking to a specific audience of Islamic communities, particularly
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: in Western Sydney, that they are trying to gather together
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: to create political power. That's what's really going on.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: And that was because you know, on the face of it,
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: you'd say, how brain did would you have to be
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: to say what Patterman Fatima Payment said just then? But
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: it's not that she's brain did. It's that Aien, she
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: is playing to a certain audience of a certain religion.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: How scary is that?
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: Right? And that is what she is talking about.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: She is not talking from a place of Okay, I
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: can look at this objectively as a human being and
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: recognize that any nurse saying that they would kill anyone
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: of any nationality should never work in a hospital.
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: Again, no, no, no, no no.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: We complicated with the issue of religion, and suddenly there's
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: an explanation for why you might say that. There is
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: never an explanation for why you would say that, And
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: anyone who thinks that there is an explanation for why
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: you should say that should be forcibly put on a
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: plane and said elsewhere as far as I'm concerned, now,
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: I know we can't do that, but this is a
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: problem of our own creation.
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: That we have for years and years and years allowed.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: This to festa in Australia and only now we're really
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: seeing the consequences of that. But this is something we've
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: done to ourselves. I think that's the saddest part about.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: But what does it say about the base of those
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: who will become part of Muslim votes or Muslim what's
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: it called Muslim voices or.
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: There's two, there's Muslim votes and Muslim voices.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Right, So what does it say about their base that
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Fatima Payment believes talking like that is going to appeal
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: to the sort of people who will form her key
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: constituency and it's just rank tribalism.
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: Well, you see it in some of the statements that
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: have been made by the candidates that are running out
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: of the independent candidates that are running against Tony Burke
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: and other labor Labor members in their seats that they
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: have come out within most horrendous offensive statements about October seven.
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: So it's not really surprising, but the base is filled
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: and absolutely trenched with this jew hatred.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: I should note that The Australian Tomorrow is reporting that
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Anti Albanzi and Tony Burke were approached to comment on
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: this communicate put out by Muslim organizations. Remember some of
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: these Muslim organizations deal with government agencies, and neither the
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Prime Minister nor the Immigration Minister were willing to comment
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: about it. So Anti Albanzi, for all his talk about
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: social cohesion and you know there's no tolerance, no place
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: for anti Semitism, you'd think this would be an issue
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: that he would nip in the bud speak about immediately.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Maybe he'll talk about it tomorrow, Maybe you'll get around
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: to it in three days.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know when's the Australian open.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: Maybe after that politicians out of office. But because that's
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: the thing is, he's got seats in Western Sydney with
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: large Muslim populations. Now do I have a story for you.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: This is news you've probably never heard before.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: Drum roll please. People think they pay too much tax?
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: Now, I know it doesn't sound that extraordinary. Who he
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: does we pay too many every other thinks they pay
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: too much tax.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: But there is actually an organization called Per Capita.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: They're a left wing think take that's been doing polling
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: on this for a decade now, and what they've found
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: is previously, people who earn more than two hundred thousand
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: dollars a year feel like they pay more tax. The
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: majority of them in this pole have always said they
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: pay too much tax. And that's because if you're earning
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: that amount of money, you're paying beyond all the other thresholds,
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: you've gone through basically fifty cents in the dollar to
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: the government. And of course at that point you'd feel like,
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: what the hell am I doing this? For fifty cents
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: of every dollar I earn goes to the government. But
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: what the latest poll is exposed is that for the
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: first time ever, people earning eighty grand to one hundred
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: grand a year, which is quite a lot of people,
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: they now for the first time, feel like they are
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: paying too much tax.
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: This is from an exclusive report in the Age Today.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: It is among those earning between eighty one hundred k,
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: fifty five percent said they paid too much tax, a
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: six percentage point increase on the proportion recorded in twenty
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: twenty three. Less than forty percent said they pay about
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: the right amount. It was the second highest proportion of
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: any income group behind only those on more than two
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: hundred k year, sixty three percent of whom said they
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: were over tax now. They did this polling five months
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: after Labor fiddled with the Stage three tax cuts, which
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: of course were meant to deliver more tax to people
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: or you know that you pay less tax, a bigger
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: tax cut to more Australians, particularly those who are in
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: that eighty k to one hundred k tax bracket, and
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: even after that, they still feel like they're paying more
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: tax than they should. The median income in Australia is
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: seventy two grand six hundred bucks a year, right, so
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: eighty grand to one hundred is very much in that
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: middle range, and for the first time ever they feel
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: like they're paying too much because they can see what
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: the rest of us can see, which is that the
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: cost of living has gone through the roof and if
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: you look at the tax books, the income tax take
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: in the last decade has gone like that. It has
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: shot up exponentially, thanks of course to wage growth, but
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: also bracket creep. And this is what the government failed
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: to address in their fiddled with Stage three tax cut
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: is that bracket creep is the biggest problem our tax
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: system faces at the moment where your wages naturally go up,
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: and they've gone up significantly potentially because of inflation in
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: the last three or four years, but the tax bracket
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: hasn't moved with it. So the EIGHTYK that you're earning now,
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: which was back sixty five K three or four years ago,
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: you're going, hang on a minute, why am I paying
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: so much tax? Because government put inflation through the roof
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: and then at the end of it decided you should
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: give the more of your income.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: So bracket creep is one thing, a cost of living
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: is the other. I mean, everything has gone through the roof.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: And the other one.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: And I give Donald Trump a little bit of credit
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: for this is we've all suddenly become or where because
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: of dose of government waste. And I mean, we've done
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: dozens and dozens of stories on this program about taxpayer
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: money being used for ridiculous things, whether it's our First
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Nations Ambassador, our Climate ambassador, or Kevin Rudd doing drag
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: show parties of his Washington Ambassadorial house or whatever. And
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: people are hyper aware that they're paying all these taxes
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: and they're not getting a lot of service for it.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: We've got all sorts of problems with our hospital systems,
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: with our schools, but we always seem to have enough
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: money for politicians to waste on silly ideas. And I
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: should point out this survey comes five months after Anthony
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Albaneze's Stage three tax cuts, So if Elbow was help
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: hoping that those tax cuts were going to sort of
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: soften people's attitudes towards his government, this poll would appear
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: to show that has not worked.
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not looking good, and I agree. I think
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: it's also on top of the other fact as we mentioned,
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: where the taxes are going, it seems wasteful. People don't
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: agree with where it's going. We talked about some of
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: those hate preachers and the people who signed this letter,
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: I mean some of them receive The guy who said
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: he was elated over October seven, he got a government grant.
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: Another one got two million dollars to promote youth programs.
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: The secretary of the Lebanese Muslim Association who signed this,
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: I mean the coalition is asking for those sorts of
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: taxpayer grants to now be reviewed in light of these statements.
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: And we've seen so many examples of extremism and anti
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: Australian values being pushed by people who get millions and
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: millions of dollars in grants. So is it fair that
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: hard working Australian Australians are putting so much of their
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: income towards taxes. They're not seeing it reflected in our
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: healthcare services, in our public transport, schools, everything else, but
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: they are seeing it go to people who are entirely
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: undeserving of receiving a portion of their money their wages.
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: So I'm not surprised at all by this. The only
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: thing that surprises me is it's taken some people this
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: long to realize that they're paying.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: This much tax and the role, and that forty percent
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: of people apparently think, no, I'm paying about the right, about.
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: Serious not paying any tax, who are just getting benefits
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: the role.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you people in South Australia might be
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: a little bit upset about how their money is being
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: used because in trying to slow traffic down, they've decided
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: to paint the roads. Now I'll show you in a
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: moment what they're doing, but I'm going to point out
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: there have been numerous studies done around the world that
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: have demonstrated the more road traffic signs you have, the
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: more dangerous the roads and the more likely there are
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: to be accidents. I guess because drivers either become distracted
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: or drivers figure I don't really need to drive. If
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: there's a sharp bend, there'll be a sign telling me
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: there's a sharp bend, and so I can just sort
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: of auto pilot and count on signage to advise me
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: if I need to pay attention. There was one study
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: done in the US that the American Authority has decided
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: to put on digital signs the number of traffic fatalities
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: in certain areas, and they actually found that within ten
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: kilometers of a sign pointing out how many traffic fatalities
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: there had been, traffic fatalities went up four point five percent.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: So they're actually causing more deaths by alerting people to
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: how many deaths there had been. Now in Adelaide, they're
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: trying to slow people down to forty kilometers an hour.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: So to trick drivers into slowing down, they've created an
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: optical illusion on the road. You can see them there.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: They're three D optical illusion triangles painted on the road.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: They become increasingly smaller and closer together as you drive,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: giving the illusion that you are going faster so that
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: you will slow down though you're not actually going faster.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: It's all an optical illusion, but it's designed to slow
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: you down. I'm not sure how well it's working because
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: some people thought it was an art installation and part
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: of the two down Under advertising, which is a big
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: cycling event in South Australia, and surely that is a
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: waste of money. Just put up a sign saying forty
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: kilometers an hour and let people drive rather than creating
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: these three D optical illusions all over the road.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: I will say though, as someone who's driven on quite
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: a lot of South Australian roads as an adelaide boy,
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: it's better.
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: Than what they've got at the moment.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: Because in New South Wales actually paint the speed limit
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: on the road, so when the speed limit changes, if
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: the sign is obscured by a tree or something, it's
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: actually printed on the road for you to see.
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: They don't do that in South Australia.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: So anything to give you an indication that the speed
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: limit is changing I think is probably good because I
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: think too often you don't know that a speed has
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: necessarily changed on a road and goes from sixty to
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: fifty to forty to fifty to sixty in all this
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: sort of stuff, and of course they put a speed
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: camera in the middle of it so they can catch
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: you out and make lots of money. Anything they can
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: do to alert you to the fact that the speed
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: is changing, I think is a good thing.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: I was driving in Brisbane a couple of weeks ago
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: and they actually had some digital signs and you get
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: a green smiley face. Oh and you get a red
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: unhappy face if you're going.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: Too quick, which I thought was a little bit being
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: treated like a child.
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: I feel, well, this is as well, because you're almost
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: trying to trick someone into well it is. It's trickery.
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: You're trying to trick them into going slower. And I
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: just think it would be distracting. I found the concept
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: of it confusing enough even to read an article trying
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: to explain the idea behind it. Let alone, if I
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: saw it on the road, what would I be thinking
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: I have to do? I think I'd spent too much
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: time trying to interpret this weird visual art than actually
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: doing the right thing in my car. So it feels
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: like one of those ink blot tests.
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: But what does this look like.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: I just I don't think you know what's been done
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: in reverse before to make people go faster.
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: They've done it in the Burnley tanneling.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Likeness, and we're in Sydney to me and actually works.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: They found it works because the problem with the Burnley
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: Tunnel is you go down a decline and then you've
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: got to come up an incline, and.
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: Everyone was slowing down on the incline.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: So they put these lights in it that apparently make
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: drivers try to chase the light, so it actually makes
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: them drive faster.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: I'd put that everywhere, the thing about the road markings
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: in South Australia. Once you know what's happening, so it
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: makes you feel like you're driving slower. So once you
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: know that, I mean, my mentality is just the foot
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: to compensate for the optical illusion and overcome it. So
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure how well it's going to work. Before
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: we go, We've got to mention jd Vance, who went
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: to Munich to make a speech. It was supposed to
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: be about the war in Ukraine, but he ended up
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: talking to political leaders in Europe about what he believes
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: is the greatest problem facing Europe.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Here's some of what he had to say.
• 35:52
  Speaker 7: The threat that I worry the most about visav Europe
• 35:55
  Speaker 7: is not Russia, it's not China, it's not any other
• 35:59
  Speaker 7: external actor. And what I worry about is the threat
• 36:02
  Speaker 7: from within, the retreat of Europe from some of its
• 36:07
  Speaker 7: most fundamental values, values shared with the United States of
• 36:11
  Speaker 7: America and Britain and across Europe. Free speech, I fear
• 36:16
  Speaker 7: is in retreat now.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Political leaders were very upset about that. How dare he
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: criticize them? And there's no problem with free speech in Europe.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: But have a look at CBS sixty minutes report on
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Germany and how police are criminalizing gossip, fake quotes, lies.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Have a listen. Is it a crime to insult somebody
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: in public? Yes, yes, and it's a crime to insult
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: them online as well.
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: Yes. How do people.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: React when you take their phones from them? They are shocked.
• 36:48
  Speaker 6: It's a kind of punishment if you lose your smartphone,
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: it's even worse than the find you have to pick use.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Your whole life is typically on your phone.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Now, that's a group of government prosecutors that were being
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: into and I'm amazed at how they laugh about people's
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: phones being confiscated because they posted some gossip online. They've
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: got sixteen police units across the country investigating online speech crimes.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: In Germany. JD. Vance was onto something.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: G I'm glad I'm not in Germany because I'd be
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: up on sixteen charges at least of pointing out your hairline, wouldn't.
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: I James public insult can't do that. I mean, he
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: is absolutely right.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: And if you watch that full speech, Vance is so impressive.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: He just builds the idea that if he's not the
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: next Republican candidate for president, then they've got rocks in me.
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: Indeed, you know, we have a problem in Australia with
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: us too. I mean we laugh and joke about it.
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: We're not that far off. We have any Safety Commissioner
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: scrubs videos online, we have the toughest defamation laws in
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: the world. You can already can't offend people using a
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: carriage service, so we're not that far off. Maybe JD.
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: Van should come here and speak to.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Us, if only that'd be good. We're going to go
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: to a break.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: When we come back, look at what's making news tomorrow,
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: including consternation about tomorrow's RBA meeting. Will there be a
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: rate cut or not all of that and a bit
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: more in just a moment.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Well, welcome back.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Let's take a look at what's making news in tomorrow's papers.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: We'll start with a Daily Telegraph and of course the
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: news everyone will be sweating on tomorrow will there be
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: a rate cut? The headline reads rate expectations, Ossie sweat
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: on relief as PM praise for pre election gift. Anthony
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: Abenezi is praying he'll be able to bask in the
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: afterglow of an interest rate cut by this afternoon. Of course,
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: this is tomorrow's paper, and thousands of Australian households are
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: willing the Reserve Bank to give them relief at last.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Expectations are mounting. Mister Albanezi will call the federal elections
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: soon after the rates decision. It's a pretty important one
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: for Anthony Albanzi. Though I'm not sure a rate cut
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: is really going to change many people's opinions. I read
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: one commentator who described a rate cut as like throwing
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: a glass.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Of water on a bush fire.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: If you expect it's going to provide much relief, but
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: I mean things are difficult. The Australian is reporting seven
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: hundred and twenty six businesses failed in the month of January,
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: and that's the highest ever business rate failure in this
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: country for that month. And since labor came to power,
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: twenty eight thousand businesses have gone into bankruptcy. So Anthony
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Albanezi certainly needs it, the country needs it, but will
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: the Reserve Bank give it? Inflation is still a problem,
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: the job market is still hot, and if they give
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: a rate cut, is it seen as an economically wise
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: decision or is it seen as appeasing a government that
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: Let's face it, Jim Charmers and other labor MPs came
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: out today really piling on the pressure for Michelle Bullet to.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Make this decision to cut rates.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: I suspect they will have a cut, but I think
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: it'll be the only one for quite some time. I
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: think it's the have a mind to give it a
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: go and see what happens, and then on the they
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: want to monitor the effects of that before they make
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: any further decisions. So I wouldn't be hopeful of having
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: multiple cuts this year. Maybe you get another one or
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: two after that, but I think they'll probably have a cut,
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: see what happens and monitor the situation. But any political
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: benefit I think that the government could get out of
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: a cut.
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: Is long gone. Now.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: If we were talking about a rate cut before the
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: end of last year, and then potentially another one or
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: two before an election, maybe you could make an argument
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: that it was something the government could say, Look, you know,
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: we're back on track now, we're going in the right direction.
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: We need you to support us to finish the job.
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: With one rate cut potentially under their belt. I don't
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: think they're able to set up as well.
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: I still see why a lot of people are putting
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: the money on the fact that the government will call
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: an election soon because it's the first potential bit of
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: good news in a long time. So even though it
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: might not change things magnificantly, what else can we expect
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: to see? This is the time nothing they have to
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: go so I can see, you know, this weekend next weekend.
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: If there is a right cut, then the election good will.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: But of course if they don't go, then they're going
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: to have to deliver a budget they do not.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: Why would you want to do that. Let's go to
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: the Australian to borrow where it says set to schools compo.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: When former Victorian C if emmy you boss. John Secker,
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: who spent decades working for the Militant Construction Union, has
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: won limited acceptance of his workers' compensation claim, alleging he
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: is suffering from post traumatic stress disorder and will have
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: his medical expenses paid.
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: The article also goes on to say that he.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: Will be awarded weekly payments totaling three thousand, six hundred
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: and thirty six dollars for the period of November twenty
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: to December seventeen last year, but he won't get anything
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: after December seventeen because they've decided that he wasn't incapacitated
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: to work after that.
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: I find it rather amusing.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: That's, you know, such a thug as John Secker, who
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: ran the union in the way he did, ran roughshod
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: over everyone, went in and took over the South Australian branch,
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: et cetera. Was then suffering PTSD after everything that he did.
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: Obviously, that's what has been found.
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: The people that he bullied and all the thugs who
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: worked under him, who bullied people out of jobs, and
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: just the most horrendous abuse that people faced on job
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: sites under this bloke, and how he treated his enemies,
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: his political enemies. It's just I wonder if they'll be
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: entitled to compensation how they all feel reading this news
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: in the.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Morning, would have thought anyone dealing with the CFMU should
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: be exactly you've got The.
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: Herald see the Herald Son has a story about two
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: thirds of Year ten and more than half of Year's
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: six students in Victoria lack basic political knowledge. Now this
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: is according to a national rapport The Australian so I
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: was carrying the story on the front page. Experts are
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: wanting over crisis in political and civics education as the
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: proportion of students meeting standards has plunged to twenty year lows.
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: And they also found that many students were concerned about diversity,
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: indigenous issues, pollution, climate change and racism. I wonder why
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: that might be nothing to do with ideology among the
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: teachers or in the curriculums.
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: Funny about that, isn't it.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: The first column I ever had published in a newspaper
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: January the seventh, twenty fifteen, just over ten years ago, when.
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: I was fifteen years old, was on this topic.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: Was about the fact that young people don't understand politics.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: Because there was a discussion going on at the time,
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: I think being led by the Greens about a reducing
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: booting age to sixteen.
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: And I've made the point you.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: Could potentially talk about that at a later date, but
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: you can't do that when we haven't actually equipped people
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: to understand how the political system works.
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: And you know, when I was at school, it was no.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: Secret I was a bit of a political nerd and
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: I would be asked questions by other students like who's
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: the president of Australia.
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: I mean, this is basic staff, but it's not.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Taught, yep.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: But climate change, indigenous issues, all of that, our kids
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: are right across. Let's go to the Gold Coast Bulletin
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: the front page story, there alarm over silent killer in
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: homes and if you guess the silent killer is e scooters,
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: you'd be right. The head of the Queensland Fire Department's
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: investigation unit has issued a warning over residents charging scooters
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: inside their homes, calling it a recipe for disaster. He
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: said that fire crews were responding to lithium ion battery
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: fires multiple times a week. I've lost count of how many.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: It blows my mind, he said. And of course the
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: problem with lithium batteries. Is even if you managed to
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: put the fire out, they can spontaneously reignite again after that.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: And so they're warning people if you're going to charge
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: your scooter, don't do it while you're asleep, don't do
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: it while you're out, don't put the scooter in the
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: in front of an exit where you're going to be
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: unable to escape if it catches fire.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: So you're better off just walking. Caleb.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, if it catches on fire, I think you
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: should be charged with a salt and battery. I just
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: want to note as well, on the front of that
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: Gold Coast bulletin page, if we can get it there,
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: there's a thing down the bottom and says time to
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: go nude. I'm not sure who called for that or
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: why they called for that, but there you go.
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: That's what goes on on the Gold Coast.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: And very quickly before we go to a break, another
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: extraordinary front page on the Newcastle Herald, Jawsome fishermen have
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: captured spectacular pictures of a five meter great white shark
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: they encountered during an annual game fishing competition off the
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: coast of Port Stevens that is possibly one of the
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: scariest things.
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: You could ever say.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, imagine you just reel it in a fish
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: and this big, great white comes at you. I'd have
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: to go and buy a whole new set of underpants. Right.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: I'm amazed he got the photo rather than and took off.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: Good work by whoever it was that took that photograph.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: We're going to go to a break when we come back.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: The USA take on Canada in the ice hockey, but
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: not much ice hockey was played.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: We'll show you why in just a second.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Well, the rivalry between the United States and Canada was
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: already well known, but it was made worse when Donald
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: Trump threatened to put tariffs on Canada and then suggested
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: that Canada should become the fifty first state.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: Of the US.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: He then started referring to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau as
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Governor Trudeau.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: So tensions were already high.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: When the USA took on Canada in an ice hockey
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: game over the weekend. When the American anthem was played,
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: the crowd in Montreal booed. When the American players were introduced,
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: the crowd in Montreal booed.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: And then the game started.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: Well, actually the game didn't really start is what actually happened.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Ka Chuck Brothers around the ace, King Jack eckl Jo.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Run away Kutchuck, Brendon Hoog right off for help.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: There were three fights in the first nine seconds of
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: that game, and canab this is why we love ice hockey.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: Well, I didn't know, but apparently this is like a
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: traditional thing in American ice hockey that they all just
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: punch on. I mean, we've got to bring back the
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: a fil that once upon a time, that's how things went.
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: The VFL said sanitized the.
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: Afl UFC on frozen water.
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: Look.
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: Speaking of the US and Trump's Trump's controversial statements, Well,
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: he did a lap recently of the Daytona five hundred.
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: This is the NASCAR big car racing event, I'm told,
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: apparently not knowing much about car racing myself, and he
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: did a lap of it in his big car, the Beast,
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: and he made a few comments to the drivers as
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: he did.
• 48:04
  Speaker 6: So this is your favorite president.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: A BIF fan, I am a really big fan of.
• 48:12
  Speaker 6: I don't know, but I just want.
• 48:13
  Speaker 7: You to be cheap now.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: The people are a great people in Americans.
• 48:18
  Speaker 6: Have a good day, you have a lot of fun,
• 48:20
  Speaker 6: and I'll be later.
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: I mean, when we first saw this, we thought, is
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: this parody? We had to check, but it is. It's
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: Trump speaking to the driver.
• 48:29
  Speaker 6: I know.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: It's just like a lot of things with Trump, you'd
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: think it's parody, right, just like the fact that he's
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: put up his mug shot at the entrance to the
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: Oval Office. If you go to visit the President, that
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: is what you are met with. I mean, this is
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: why we love the guy, right, apart from the fact
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: that he's actually reforming America, he's brought entertainment back to politics,
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: and thank heavens for that.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: He certainly has.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: Speaking of entertainment, don't go anywhere because coming up in
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: just a moment is to read a penny show.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: Good Night,