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#1983 'Um' - The Conversational Spakfilla - Pete Shepherd · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: I'll get a team. Welcome to another installing the new project.
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  Speaker 1: Craig Anthony Harper here, just fucking bright as a button,
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  Speaker 1: like a little meerkat. Stick of my my head out
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  Speaker 1: of the typ hole, just to see who's in the
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  Speaker 1: room with me. It's Peter Jonathan Sheppard. It's Tiffany and
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  Speaker 1: Cook good a little buggers. How are you. Let's start
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  Speaker 1: with the lady in the room. That's you, tif Well.
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking at you in headphones, so I am real good.
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  Speaker 2: I'm real good, hearts.
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  Speaker 1: It's only taken you six years of badgering me like
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  Speaker 1: a fucking kid in a lolly shop, and here I
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  Speaker 1: am with headphones on like a grown up. And I
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  Speaker 1: got to say, you should try it. It's really good.
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  Speaker 1: You should know you should try it. It's much better.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm glad I thought of it. Go Harp. So
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't be proud of me, you know the way
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  Speaker 1: that I'm just an early adopter. You know, I just
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  Speaker 1: picked things like this up an old I'm not that
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  Speaker 1: old crusty bloke in the Muppets up in the stand
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  Speaker 1: next to the other krusty bloke. I'm not him at all.
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  Speaker 1: Run r Pat Shepherd. Welcome back to the show, son.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, mate.
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  Speaker 3: It's good to be in the company of a technology
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  Speaker 3: savant and of course.
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  Speaker 4: As well, I am.
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  Speaker 1: I was going to use a word off the back
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  Speaker 1: of technologically, I'm just going to go technologically challenged.
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  Speaker 4: That's the word.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, somewhat inept.
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  Speaker 4: I have Tiff.
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  Speaker 1: I have Tiff, so she bullies me, but with good intentions,
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  Speaker 1: and I think that's the main thing underneath the bullying
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  Speaker 1: is love, you know.
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  Speaker 2: And it took five years for the headphone, so that's.
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  Speaker 1: Good, I know, And I'm on board. I'm on board.
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  Speaker 1: What's the next thing you want? What's thanks? What's the
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  Speaker 1: next thing you want to boss me on?
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  Speaker 2: Let me go grab the list?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, hey Pete, what are you been up to?
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  Speaker 4: What are you been up to up.
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  Speaker 1: There in the bloody Sunshine State?
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  Speaker 3: Live in the dream mate, Just you know, chipping away.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like I'm on a plane every second week
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  Speaker 3: at the moment, trying to help trying to help leaders
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  Speaker 3: and teams be more effective as we try to. But
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  Speaker 3: outside that, I'm training for I'm doing the Nooser Triathlon
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  Speaker 3: in November, which is a bit of fun.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, I've got a two year old, so I feel
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  Speaker 3: like I'm constantly in a state of crawling around the floor,
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  Speaker 3: playing matchbox cars and hot wheels and running around parks
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  Speaker 3: chasing kids.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it says one thing your two meter body is
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  Speaker 1: built for. It's crawling around on the floor.
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  Speaker 4: You're telling me, You're telling.
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  Speaker 3: Nothing will make you feel older than trying to peel
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  Speaker 3: yourself off the floor after playing on the ground for
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  Speaker 3: two hours with a kid.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly exactly, it takes me a little longer to get up.
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  Speaker 1: And how is the little bugger? How is he going?
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  Speaker 3: He's good, he's full of beans. He's tipped over to now,
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  Speaker 3: probably since we last spoke, which, yes, which means he's
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  Speaker 3: It feels like he learns. I mean, it's such a
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  Speaker 3: fascinating thing seeing a human learn to speak and use
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  Speaker 3: words and associate shapes and colors with words and numbers,
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  Speaker 3: and the whole thing is it's wild. It's really cool.
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  Speaker 3: He's great, he's happy, he's healthy, he's keeping us on
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  Speaker 3: our toes.
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  Speaker 1: So all this and there'll never be a time in
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  Speaker 1: his life where he's learning quicker than now. Yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's going to keep going for a while, But that
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  Speaker 1: the rate of learning and understanding and comprehension and cognitive
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  Speaker 1: and emotional and physical development is called fucking through the roof,
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  Speaker 1: that's why. And then we get to like twenty and
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  Speaker 1: then we flat line n till we die.
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  Speaker 4: Totally still to.
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  Speaker 3: Think about, if I think about only a year ago
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  Speaker 3: when he was one, you know, the difference between now
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  Speaker 3: and then is like different different species.
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  Speaker 4: If I think about myself a.
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  Speaker 3: Year ago, I'm like, huh, pretty much the same person,
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  Speaker 3: the same grumpy, middle age thirty seven year old, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, But that is that is you know I did.
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  Speaker 1: I was joking when I said we hit twenty m
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  Speaker 1: flat line util we die. But some people we kind
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  Speaker 1: of do. God bless them, they kind of do.
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  Speaker 4: They.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the bloke that you knew at twenty, he's
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  Speaker 1: the same bloke, just more wrinkles and shit and still
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  Speaker 1: grumpy and still hates the world at fifty, still blame
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  Speaker 1: in everyone. Yeah, that's one of the challenges I think
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  Speaker 1: is to you know, not necessarily in a strategic or
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  Speaker 1: an academic or a formal way, but to be a
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  Speaker 1: lifelong learner, to be able to keep consciously progressing your
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  Speaker 1: mind and you're thinking and your brain and your cognitive
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  Speaker 1: function and having aware of having an awareness of that
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  Speaker 1: as you age, and consciously doing something to keep your
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  Speaker 1: brain in shape.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like it takes more effort each year. It
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  Speaker 3: feels like more intention, more physical and emotional labor to
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  Speaker 3: do that.
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  Speaker 1: I reckon the key is just walk through a new door. Though.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, if I spend the next year trying to
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  Speaker 1: learn more about the brain and the mind, I'm like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: not that I'm elite, but like I've spent the last
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  Speaker 1: six years formerly doing that, right, So next year, when
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  Speaker 1: I finished what I'm currently doing, I would like to
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  Speaker 1: just go And it doesn't have to be anything strategic.
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  Speaker 1: It could be do a fucking Barista course, but just
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  Speaker 1: something that I know nothing about I've got no skill in,
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  Speaker 1: you know, just to do something totally different where I'm
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  Speaker 1: in inverted comma is the dumbest one in the room,
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  Speaker 1: because then then my my, uh, you know, level of
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  Speaker 1: learning is high, you know, and there's that that that
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  Speaker 1: gradient is kind of quite steep, versus me doing more
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  Speaker 1: of essentially the same for another year.
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  Speaker 4: Not a whole you know.
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  Speaker 1: Of course I'm going to keep learning, but yeah, to
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  Speaker 1: consciously do something different. I've toyed with doing a second language,
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  Speaker 1: which I can only speak obviously English, but it's to
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  Speaker 1: try and get really fluent in something that I'm interested in,
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  Speaker 1: just for the sake of doing it for my brain,
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  Speaker 1: but also i'd be cool to be able to speak
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  Speaker 1: whatever Italian or Ye. So yeah, what about It's.
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  Speaker 3: Funny you say that because I in the last twelve
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  Speaker 3: months I've had a few requests from clients about self
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  Speaker 3: paced workshops and courses and it's one particularly one of
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  Speaker 3: the biggest companies in Australia, which I've been running around
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  Speaker 3: doing a bunch of work for, and they said, look,
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  Speaker 3: we've got like thousands of leaders that we can't afford
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  Speaker 3: to always show up to all these sessions that we're running,
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  Speaker 3: and we'd love to give them something. Could you do
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  Speaker 3: like a self paced, kind of modulized series of workshops?
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  Speaker 3: I thought, yeah, I could, And so rather than sit
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  Speaker 3: here and record it on my iPhone, I thought it
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  Speaker 3: would be cool to call our mutual friend Josh Jansen,
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  Speaker 3: who runs a video production company, and say, if you
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  Speaker 3: were tasked with helping me build a little studio at
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  Speaker 3: home so that I could sit in front of a
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  Speaker 3: camera and record higher quality videos with good sound that
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  Speaker 3: look better than like they were shot on my iPhone?
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  Speaker 4: What would that look like?
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  Speaker 3: And he sent me off down this rabbit hole of
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  Speaker 3: this other I don't know what you call him, educator course,
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  Speaker 3: content creator. And I did this online course essentially on
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  Speaker 3: how to build a home studio. And when I say
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  Speaker 3: I was feeling totally out of my depth where they're
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  Speaker 3: talking about apertures and cameras and lenses, I mean I
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  Speaker 3: was so out of my depth. And I would message
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  Speaker 3: and call Josh every now and then and be like,
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  Speaker 3: I just spent fucking half a day trying to get
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  Speaker 3: the lighting right.
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  Speaker 4: What a waste of time.
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  Speaker 3: And he was reminding me just like you kind of
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  Speaker 3: did a no, that's this is the fun part. This
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  Speaker 3: is the point you're learning about something that you know
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  Speaker 3: nothing about. As a result, you will have knowledge at
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  Speaker 3: the end of it that you will be able to
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  Speaker 3: have forever. And like you're just doing something you haven't
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  Speaker 3: done for a while, which is learn something from scratch.
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  Speaker 4: And the end product is like I have a pretty
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  Speaker 4: good grass one.
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  Speaker 3: How to set up my little office here as a
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  Speaker 3: home studio, get the light right, get the camera going,
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  Speaker 3: get the sound in and it looks pretty cool, and
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  Speaker 3: so it it's the most recent example I have I've had,
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  Speaker 3: apart from learning how to be your father, of like
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  Speaker 3: trying to learn something from scratch as a total newbie.
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  Speaker 4: It was totally really hard as well, I.
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  Speaker 1: Think apart from the obvious outcomes of whatever it is,
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  Speaker 1: better skills, better knowledge, better capacity to produce you know,
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  Speaker 1: whatever you want to produce. But yeah, just the just
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  Speaker 1: what happens to your brain and your mind and in
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  Speaker 1: the middle of all of that is awesome, you know.
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  Speaker 1: I remember when I started, So I finished my last
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  Speaker 1: degree in two thousand and three, two thousand and two,
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  Speaker 1: started my next one in twenty nineteen, and I remember
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  Speaker 1: having conversations with professort Yousell, who was the head of
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  Speaker 1: Brain Park, which is a neuroscience neuropsycho lab. It's been
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  Speaker 1: on the show once and one of the smartest people
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  Speaker 1: I've ever met. And even with my supervisor now Chris
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  Speaker 1: and I've got too lucy, But back then, when I
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  Speaker 1: was talking going tou Sell, I'm he would say something,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like November when I started, and we're having
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  Speaker 1: these conversations about what my research would look like and
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  Speaker 1: how to do this and how to do that right.
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  Speaker 1: It's very very well, it's not very much. It's completely
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  Speaker 1: self directed learning, right. So you've got to design your
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  Speaker 1: own studies, run your own studies, get the venue, get
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  Speaker 1: the people, get ethical approval. There are no semesters, no
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  Speaker 1: one standing over your shoulder to help. There's no one
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  Speaker 1: to go talk to. You need to make appointments with
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  Speaker 1: your supervisors and you can't just walk into someone's room
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  Speaker 1: and go, hey, I wanted to know. You can't do
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  Speaker 1: that right. It's all well for me anyway, and they're
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  Speaker 1: all very busy and they'll have multiple students that they
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  Speaker 1: take care of in that PhD supervisory role. And I
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  Speaker 1: remember him talking to me and I'd go wait, wait, wait,
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  Speaker 1: and he's like what. I go, I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: that means. He's like what he'd be saying something. I'd go, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's cool. I don't know what it means though, and
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  Speaker 1: I go, I'm fifty five, I'm dumb, and you're one
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  Speaker 1: of the smartest motherfuckers in Australia. So I did say, motherfucker,
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  Speaker 1: I'm mad. It might have.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And just like even learning the language, even learning
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  Speaker 1: like what is a thesis. I don't know what a
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  Speaker 1: thesis is? What is that?
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 1: You know?
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  Speaker 4: What is a dissertation?
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  Speaker 1: What is you know? How do I design a study?
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  Speaker 1: What's ethical approval mean? Like? What is that? You know?
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  Speaker 4: What is Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Like when you're starting from almost behind the starting line,
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  Speaker 1: like a lot of obviously the majority of half my
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  Speaker 1: age of the students, which good, well less than half
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  Speaker 1: my age, right, some of them, and then they come
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  Speaker 1: in fresh off the back of you know, study, like
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  Speaker 1: they finished four months ago. Now they're doing their PhD.
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  Speaker 1: I finished when just after Jesus passed away, right, So
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  Speaker 1: it's like so long between I didn't know anything. I
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  Speaker 1: was so dumb. But anyway, you get you get good,
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  Speaker 1: you get better, you know, I still want to rate
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  Speaker 1: myself highly. But I have a language now that I
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  Speaker 1: didn't have.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, And it's it's the discomfort that you have
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  Speaker 3: to go through to get to that sort of learning though,
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  Speaker 3: that I think we we call myself out. We avoid
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  Speaker 3: probably almost unconsciously, because we like comfort. I mean, you
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  Speaker 3: know this better than anyone having studied it. Yeah, we
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  Speaker 3: like to do things that are comfortable. And putting myself
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  Speaker 3: intentionally in a position where I know nothing about a topic.
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  Speaker 3: Is a is a pretty good way to make myself feeluncomfortable,
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  Speaker 3: but it's trying to remember the benefit of doing that.
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  Speaker 1: I've probably had ten times over the last seven years
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  Speaker 1: or eight years of the show where I've been talking
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  Speaker 1: to somebody and I literally have this feeling in the
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  Speaker 1: middle of this idea, I'm too fucking stupid to talk
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  Speaker 1: to this person. I like, I don't even know of
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  Speaker 1: the middle of that's it.
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  Speaker 4: That's it.
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  Speaker 1: Like they're talking about something and I'm I understand twenty
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  Speaker 1: percent of what they're saying, Like I don't fully understand
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  Speaker 1: what they're saying. So I'm going, oh God. And I
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  Speaker 1: interviewed this old dude who's just a sweet art called
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  Speaker 1: Professor Ahmi Goswami, who is an academic but also like
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  Speaker 1: a spiritual guru and just this giant brain and this
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  Speaker 1: beautiful nature and this giant heart right just the I've
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  Speaker 1: never met him, I've only met him online. And I
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  Speaker 1: spoke to him for an hour and he was just
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  Speaker 1: going down rabbit holes and explaining things, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: you want to ask a relevant, informed question off the
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  Speaker 1: back of that for the listeners, you know, because you're
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  Speaker 1: kind of the conduit between you know, some really really
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  Speaker 1: smart people and you kind of almost just trying to
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  Speaker 1: keep the lines of information relevant and understand and you know,
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  Speaker 1: so you go, so do you mean by that? ABC? Right?
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  Speaker 1: I didn't even know, and I just stopped and he finished,
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  Speaker 1: and I said, Professor, can I admit something? And he goes,
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  Speaker 1: of course, of course, and I go, I think I'm
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  Speaker 1: too stupid to interview you, and he laughed.
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  Speaker 4: He laughed.
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  Speaker 1: I said, I literally don't know what to ask you.
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  Speaker 1: I said, oh, you know, it's like I've just been
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  Speaker 1: thrown into a game of ice hockey with in the NHL,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm wearing all the shit, but I can't play,
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  Speaker 1: you know. I'm like, oh my god. And he's anyway,
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  Speaker 1: he was amazing and it made me feel better on
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  Speaker 1: my own show about my inadequacy.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, professor, can you please give me a question
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  Speaker 3: to ask you? Because I don't know what.
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  Speaker 4: You just said?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, could you send me a few questions so I
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  Speaker 1: sound smart and I can regain some of my lost
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  Speaker 1: self worth. Yeah, I wanted to ask you about And
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: by the way, did you not t just getting on
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  Speaker 1: stage a bit these days? And I don't mean dancing
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  Speaker 1: and singing.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like I heard rumors last time we were
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  Speaker 3: chatting with that, well a little bit on it.
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  Speaker 1: She's climbing the ladder and she's got a gig coming up.
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  Speaker 4: Nice.
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  Speaker 1: Tell tell Pete at l what you're up to in October.
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  Speaker 4: TIV very excited, Pete.
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  Speaker 2: I've been doing a course in speaking, which has been
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  Speaker 2: well out of my comfort zone, learning lots of new stuff,
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  Speaker 2: well out of my comfort zone. And seven of there's
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  Speaker 2: an event at the end of October, so there'll be
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  Speaker 2: eight of us speaking and we had to put in
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  Speaker 2: a pitch to an external panel, so we had to
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  Speaker 2: go through the whole process and I got I got
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  Speaker 2: a spot, So I'm really excited.
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  Speaker 4: Congrats. Let's just don't eat me clapping, but I'm clapping.
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  Speaker 1: And so the whole thing's filmed, right, and yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I've got a thousand questions.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I want to know from Tiff, like.
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  Speaker 3: You know, as someone who's I've probably drowned in corporate
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  Speaker 3: the last eighteen years, what's what's like? What's it like
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  Speaker 3: from a beginner's mind perspective? What are your learnings or
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  Speaker 3: quirk that you notice amongst corporate audiences as you're learning
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  Speaker 3: this and getting better at this, undoubtedly very good at
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  Speaker 3: the skill.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of the learning has been around how to
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  Speaker 2: structure information and how to structure the talk. And that's
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  Speaker 2: not my jam. I like to be very harpified, a
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  Speaker 2: very freestyle and very just engaged with the audience. And
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  Speaker 2: I think you from previous talks you might be very similar.
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  Speaker 2: So there's been but there has been a lot of
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  Speaker 2: great insights into how to make things land and how
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  Speaker 2: to not overwhelm audiences with too much. I think I'm
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  Speaker 2: probably as guilty as I can be of that, wanting
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  Speaker 2: to kind of give all of all of the gold,
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  Speaker 2: all of the things. Yeah, and I think it's made
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  Speaker 2: me So, it's made me here and see speakers differently.
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  Speaker 2: So and notice what about speakers engages me or what
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  Speaker 2: lands and what I'm left with? Which is the most
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  Speaker 2: important part, isn't it? Because we can all like people,
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  Speaker 2: but it's what we are impacted by that stays with
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  Speaker 2: us and makes us change things that actually really matters.
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  Speaker 4: H love that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, what's the what's the one thing, if anything, that
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  Speaker 1: you've kind of changed your mind about or you've done
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of a one eighty on in terms
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  Speaker 1: of how you do this thing, like from two or
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  Speaker 1: three years ago when you were opening the door and
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  Speaker 1: getting some momentum to now where you've got more momentum,
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  Speaker 1: what have you what have you learned or what have
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  Speaker 1: you unlearned and changed?
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  Speaker 2: I reckon I'm still in the middle of that because
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  Speaker 2: one of the reasons I'm really excited to have been
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  Speaker 2: gotten an opportunity to have this particular event is because
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  Speaker 2: I don't believe that I would see through all of
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: the learnings left to my own devices. So this is
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: the opportunity to be coached and I like to say forced,
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: but that sounds negative, but yeah, forced to deliver exactly
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: everything that we're being taught in terms of how scripted
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: and how curated the content is, which is going to
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: give me a lot more of a lot more control
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: over timing, which will be important in doing more corporate stuff,
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: Like I can't just wing it and go, oh, well,
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: I'll talk about this, this and this and then we'll
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: I'll just do Q and A if I need to
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: fill it in, Like I've always landed well with timing,
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: but I think that is not always a great thing
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: to have f lining by the ceedy of pants m.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: En years. For you, what's maybe two big things that
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: you have learned that may or may not be relevant
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: to but they are for you that you either it
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: was a light bulb for you and it made things
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: better for you, or you did like I said with
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Tiffer one ad on changed in mind about you know
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: two things that were significant over that eight a year journey.
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: I think.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: The two that comes to mind immediately I both learned
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: from the same person, which was Seth Goden, who I've
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: mentioned in our previous chats.
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: I've been lucky enough to spend a.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: Bunch of time with working on projects for and also
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: just becoming a friend of a mentor. But the two
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: things that I think about the most. The first is
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: he wrote a book called Purple Cow.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: I knew you were going to say that, I love that.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: You no better. I love that. It's like he and
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: I went Purple Cow.
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: But great book.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: No great book.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: It's a great book. And I mean the premise is
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: you don't need to read the book to get the premise.
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: The premise is.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: You walk past the field of cows, and one hundred
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: percent of the time the cows are a combination of
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: the same color. They're black or they're brown, or they're white,
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: or they're white, or they're black or they're brown. All
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: the cows essentially look the same. And can you imagine
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: what would happen if you walk past the field of
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: cows and all of a sudden there was this bright
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: purple cow in the middle of it. You would stop,
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: you would take a photo, you would call your friend,
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: you would pass it on, you would tell a story
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: later that day.
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: I can't believe I saw this purple cow. You won't
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: believe it. Let me show you. Let me show you.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: And the point of his metaphor is, if you're going
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: to go to the effort of creating something, create something
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: worth remarking at, create something that has a little bit
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: of purple in it. And so I think a lot
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: about if I'm doing a talk or a workshop or
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: getting on a stage, what is my purple cow?
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: I think about that a lot.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: The second one I also learned from him, which is
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: a I think perhaps the number one thing that makes me.
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: Perhaps sound smarter.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: Than I am, and that is to not say and
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: so Seth, I think you wrote a blog post about it.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: But I had a conversation with him about it one day,
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: where he was saying, what happens when I'm speaking is
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: where our brain is trying to think of what to
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: say next, but it's also speaking what we're saying now.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: And if we go too fast, what ends up happening
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: is our brain doesn't have the ability to do both things. Now,
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: this is probably a little bit of bro science, so
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: feel free to forgive me all of your science listeners,
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: and you, Craig. And so what happens if we're going
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: too fast is we stop saying the thing we want
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: to say, and in order for our brain to think
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: about the thing it has to say next, there's this
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: gap and we fill the gap with because most of
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: us feel uncomfortable filling it with nothing. Yes, that said
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: to me. The fix is so simple. You just instead
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: of saying ah, just say nothing.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, just.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: Just sit in silence and wait. And by the way,
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: if you slow down, you'll find that you actually have
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: to say it or use that even less. And so
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: through having a podcast, doing a bunch of speaking, and
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: working my tail off at it, I can pretty comfortably
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: go weeks without using the word or a phrase. And
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: that involves talking on stages, doing live Q and a
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: coaching one on one without script. And I've had people.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: I've had people ask me at the end of a workshop,
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: how did you how did you not say ARM once today?
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: Like that was their takeaway.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: It was like they didn't even really hear anything I
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: said other than they noticed the delivery was this guy
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: didn't say uh. And I don't fest to have this superpower.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: I just fest to have learnt this skill from SETH
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: which is instead of saying just say nothing and just
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: give you a brain a chance to catch up.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: I feel like the twenty twenty five version of ARM
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: is like.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: Now that one I still have in my vernacular. So
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: that's my next one I need to work on.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: So we like like an ARM or in the one sentence, yeah,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: he was he was like really mad? Like well, was
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: he like really mad or it was actually really mad
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: or just like it? And what's the difference between like
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: really mad and really mad? That's true verbal?
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yes for me.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: When I and it's funny now that I have spent
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: so much time energy trying to get that out of myself.
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: Yes, I cannot help. But notice when there's.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: An hother on stage and it is great, you'll get
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: the most senior leaders of some of the biggest, most
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: important organizations or peak bodies on stage doing a Q
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: and A with whoever, and they are just arming everywhere.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: And I just have this theory that if you don't,
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: you can just sound smarter than you actually are.
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: At least that's been my experience.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: It could be the title of the show, arming everywhere.
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: I'm going to go all over the place.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: It's either going to be purple cows or umming everywhere.
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: There are the two that come to mind for me,
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: What about you? What are your two harps.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: For a so for a period of time, okay, two
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: things come to mind.
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: One is.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: I used to really stay in my comfort zone with
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: what I knew. I've spoken to Tiff about this because
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: I think TIF and I our development and how like
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: there was real similarity between you know, where I was
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: early days and where she was a year or so ago,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: and even recently I've said to her, which is where
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: I was, that like, you're really good in this space.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: You're really good, You're confident, but you need to get
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: into that space a bit because we can't only talk
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: about you know, physiology and training and sets and reps
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: and fucking micros and macros for the next thirty years,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: like we really need to, you know. And so for me,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: I had a real propensity to stay in my safe
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: space and I would talk about human performance and you know,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: self management and human optimization, but I wouldn't really open
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: the cognitive, emotional, human behavior, who am I?
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: Who are you?
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Connection rapport, like all these other kind of sociological and
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: psychological and emotional kind of factors that are really important
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: components of living and thinking and doing better. Because I
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: felt fraudulent, you know, and maybe that's even part of
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: what I did my PhD. Right. And one of my
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: friends actually said to me when I was about thirty,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: they heard me at a gig. It was a public
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: gig and it went quite well, but they said, you're
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: really good, and I loved it, but they had heard
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: me ten times. You need to learn more stuff, like
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: you stay in this little echo chamber of knowledge. And
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: I stayed where I was safe, and yeah I could.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: It's like I was a triathlete. I was awesome at
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: fucking running, but I couldn't ride or swim, yeah, you know,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: And I did all my training as a runner because
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: I was good at that and when I swam, I
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: was shit, and when I rode, I was shit. So
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: I focused on the thing I was good at. The
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: second thing for me was like a learn and then
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: unlearned was I did a gig years ago where somebody
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: from I can't remember which speaking agency, maybe ICMI or
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Saxton's like as you know who they are, but most
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: of our listeners might not. There like two of the
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: biggest speaking agencies in Australia. And it was back when
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: a lot of people got a lot of work through
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: speaking agencies. Now a lot of it's online and through
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: word of mouth. And you know, it's still they have
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: a place, but I don't think it's the same as
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: it was. And I'm still represented by eight or ten
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: different companies, right And anyway, this lady was coming to
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: assess me and I was doing I was actually doing
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: the opening keynote for what's it called TIF the Fitness
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Industry Firelex. I was doing the opening for FILEX, which
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: is a big was a big deal back then, and
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: heaps of people and I knew this lady was coming,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: so I thought I need to be good. So I
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: made all of I didn't somebody else did made all
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: of these powerpoints, so I'd be razzle dazzle, I would
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: look professional. I was, you know, so look at me.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: I'm slick, I'm organized, I've got a process, I'm a
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: speaking professional, and of course you know what I'm going
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: to tell you, right. So I got up there and
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: I just started banging on, and twenty minutes in I
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: forgot that I even had slides, So I went, oh,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: or maybe not twenty, maybe ten. I'd been talking for
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: ten and then I turned around and I'm like, oh,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: cover that, op, cover that. So everyone's now looking at
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: my back as I'm looking at the screen and I'm
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: sliding like a fucking wombat, and the lady, the ladies
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: in the front row over near the door, like twenty
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: feet away from me with a fucking clipboard writing notes.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Am I okay? Anyway? And then I did the best
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: thing I could have done, and I went, hey, everyone,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: can I be honest? And they're like yeah, I go, okay.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: See that lady over there, she's she's from a speaking
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: agency and she's assessing me right now to see whether
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: or not I could be part of the team on that,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: and I said so in order to impress her, I
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: told the story. I sat literally on the edge of
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: the stage, swing on my feet and talking. It was
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: a high stage, and I told the story and I said, so.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: I didn't say fuck, but essentially I said, so, are
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: you okay if I fuck off the slide show? And
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: they go, please, please fuck the slide show off, and
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: I went, yeah, I'm sorry. So I'm probably not going
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: to get a gig with that organization, but fuck it,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: let's go. And then so for the next forty or
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: fifty minutes it was just free range me doing my
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: thing right, and at the end I got the gig anyway.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: But the lady came up and went, oh, you definitely
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: shouldn't use that every again. She goes, not everyone needs
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: to do that. She goes, you definitely don't, and by
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: the way, you're terrible at it, so don't. I'm like
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: no to self. Yeah, So I thought I used to
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: think I needed to be more like other speakers. I
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: need to be more like them, because whenever I would
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: go to a conference, everyone but me had this great
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: slideshow and videos and graphs and charts and data, and
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't have that. I'm just a storyteller,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: and I just you know, I share thoughts and ideas
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: and messages mainly through metaphor and story.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: That's your purple.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's my purple. I guess, yeah, and I
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: thank you that is that is true. So yeah, and
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, but then over the years, you know, I've
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: kind of I've woven more science and more information and
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: data and research in, but it's still usually it's backed
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: up with a story or a metaphor or a real
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: life kind of explanation, and I keep the jargon out
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: of it. So so I mean, but I think also,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: you know, you you go in with an idea of
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: how things are going to go. And I told this
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: the other day on the show. So I apologize and
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: I mentioned to you before. But I did a gig
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: up in the bush the other day and they were
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: just amazing. And now imagine how much you could not
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: do this in the city. So all super laid back,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: all super laid back. They've never had a professional development day.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: It was a real estate company, Milduror, so this was
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: a new thing and they've got me all day. Now
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: that's a lot. You know, It's like when people don't
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: even when somebody's got a sit and be present and
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: pay attention to one hour of someone unless that someone's
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: pretty good. It's like ten minutes in everyone's checking their
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: watch or their phone or their you know. So they
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: were very gracious and also very grateful, which was nice.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: But we I could tell straight up, it was very informal.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: The I really relaxed and before we got gone, it's like,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: I'm going to get some going to get some coffees, Craig,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: do you want to do you want to coffee? Craig?
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Do you you know, like really laid back, and I said,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: before we start swearing or not, and this is at
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: the start, and about six of them go fuck yeah
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: of course, and then the rest laughed and kind of
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: pumped the air. I'm like, okay, this is this is
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: my natural habitat. And I said to them, you know
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: what this is? Like they go what? I go nine
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: eighty five?
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: I go, this is this is the best.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Like they're like, what's political correctness? What's HR? You know,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: and like just nobody chos nobody chose to. I mean,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: we need HR. I get it. I get we need
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: political correctness. I get it, But sometimes it's that far
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: over the line. I'm like, fuck, it does my head
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: in and it was just a fun day and I
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: really enjoyed it. But the thing is the way that
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: I spoke with them that day, and the way that
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: we interacted and the stories that were told, and the
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: level that we went to by the way we would
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: have had I reckon. Three to five people on the
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: day come up to me and cry and just because
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: we pushed a button, you know. And then the boss
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: who I'm going to throw him under the bus because
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: he's a good man. His name's Joe. There's two bosses.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: He's one of the bosses. He comes up to the
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: front and we just finished for the lunch break and
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: he's standing next to me and he's talking about what
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: we've been going through, and what we've been going through.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Had pushed some buttons for him and soding up the front.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: He just started to he couldn't speak for a moment,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: and he was getting emotional and then he shed a
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: little tear up there, and I just walked over and
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: gave him a hug. I just like, I don't care
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: if he doesn't want it. He's fucking getting one, right,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: So I just gave him a big hug and I
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: just whispered in his ear mate, you're great, you're doing great.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Gave him a hug. He was good, everyone was respectful,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: and you know, so it's nice to have this. I
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: don't know this pendulum between you know, here's some funniness,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: here's a bit of whatever, here's a couple of stories.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: But by the way, we can talk about how you're feeling.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: We can talk about depression and anxiety and mental health.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: We can talk about why you're sad right now. And
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to make fun of that, and I'm
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: not going to tell a dick joke. I'm just going
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: to be here listening to you and giving you a
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: hug if you need that, you know so, I think
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: that for me, I need that flexibility to be able
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: to re read the room and respond accordingly. And because
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: I'm terrible with a script, terrible, I'm not even good
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: with just a plan that alone a script. But you know,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: we get through it all by the end of the day.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: What about yourself, Where do you sit in these scripted
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: versus freestyle like which I mean it's a scale, right, yeah,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: I think one's pretty much a soliloquy. The other ones,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: you know, you're running around with your undies on your
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: head punching the air.
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: I'm probably closer closer to the undies. I think.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: That's good though, right, maybe not all that way, But
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: I go in. So the questions I want to get
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: super clear and before I go in is who's it for?
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: Who's in the room, who's the audience are they? Are
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: they the country? Are they the country? Folks from a
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: small town and a real estate agency where they've never
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: done any professional development. Well, if I know that, that's
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: probably going to change how I approach it. So I
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: want to know who's in the room or are they
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: you know the bankers A's ed in Melbourne on Collin
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: Street and they just want it. You know, there are
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: a different audience, So I want to know who's in
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: the room. I want to know what a success look
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: like for them in this session. If success is we
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: want three new ideas on how we could you know,
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: have our leaders thinking about AI or we want to
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: have four questions that we can ask to coach each
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: other next time we're in a T meeting, whatever it is.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: So tell me what success is, tell me.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: Who's in the room, and then I'll I'll concoct on
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: a on a whiteboard or I'm holding up like a
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: yellow legal pad, literally a scrap at a paper, a rough
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: idea of how I think we can get there.
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: You got the same one.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to show you it at won't show up, yep.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: Go on, and I'll have an idea of how I
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: want to deliver success based on who's in the room.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: And then I give myself permission a bit like you,
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: but nowhere near to the to the to the skill
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: set probably or the undies on my head that you
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: might embrace.
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: I will.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: I will give myself permission to get there. However, we
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: need to get there based on what's happening in the room.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: So if someone asked a question two minutes in and
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: I'm like, huh, it feels like something we should spend
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: some time, I'll spend some time on that question. I
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: will not think I've got a whole script here, and
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: I want to get through this script.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think it's really important to acknowledge that
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: I've seen you speak multiple times and I'm not pissing
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: in your pocket. You're amazing. You're an amazing speaker. And
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: if people said to me, we want you to go
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: in there and do what Pete does. I couldn't. I
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: couldn't because I'm not you. And it's not trying to
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: compare the quality of what you do or TIF does
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: or I do, but it's like you're great at what
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: you do, but you're not me. There are similarities, I think,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: and I'm not you. We're not better or worse. I
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: think we're both somewhat competent at what we do with
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: room for improvement. And you know, I think that realizing
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: that there are a myriad of different coaches and teachers
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: and speak and for want of a better term, you know,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: subject matter experts that will all approach this, you know,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: what looks to be the same thing a different way,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: and all produced pretty good outcomes, even though they're they're
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: unique in the way that they deliver whatever it is
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: they're delivering.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I mean that's what to me why
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: I go back to, not to like redversise it one
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: hundred times, back to the idea of purple, because what's
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: purple for you is different to what's purple for me,
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: and what's purple for Tiff is different to what's purple
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: for both of us.
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: It's like tips.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Holding up a purple stress ball and you missed it.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: It's a blue apple, and it's it's Jacqueline's version in
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: this course, and that's what we started by buying our
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: blue apple before we did anything else.
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no way, I wondered, I thought you had I
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: thought you had.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: A massage ball and you were like working your lower
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: back while we were recording.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: Like I was looking for it when I disappeared under
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: the desk, where's that blue apple?
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: So that's that's so she talks about that in the same.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: Kind of Yeah, it's the very first thing we work out,
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: because it's because there's no new concepts, there's nothing that
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: hasn't been talked about before, So you've got to make
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: sure that you've got something that's worth hearing.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. That's great in terms of wisdom, and
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: you know, of course knowledge is always developing, but in
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: terms of human behavior, there's not a whole lot that
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: hasn't been spoken about or the mind or the brain
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: or you know, communication or connection or happiness or joy
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: or sadness or Yeah, yeah, that is that is true.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: You're always trying to figure out how can I essentially
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: share the same stuff in a way that's more resonant
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: or you know, like I feel an anecdote, Yeah, I
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: feel did something just happened? If?
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it came back.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Though, I feel like I'm like I'm the singer, not
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: the message, you know, the conduit to the wisdom, not
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: the wisdom all that philosophical shit. But I truly feel
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: like that, like I'm the conduit to that which is
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: great and truthful and empowering. You know, I didn't create
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: any of this. I didn't invent any of this. All
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: I do is try to figure out how I can
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: you know, share it and sell it for one of
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: a better word, you know, and you know, download it
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: in a way that's digestible and maybe inspiring for people.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I totally agree with that. I think
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: about it as creating the conditions for learning. Like my
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: role is to try and create the conditions for learning
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: to happen, to try and create the conditions for someone
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: to have an aharm moment, or for a light bulb
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: to go off, or for them to open a door
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: and turn on a light that they couldn't see. Otherwise,
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: it's not for me to be the guru, the chosen
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: one that has to have all the answers and has
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: to be the one speaking the entire time. Actually, what
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: I'm here to do is create the conditions.
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: For us to learn.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I think very.
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: Often doesn't come from me.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: It might come from the conversation you had with the
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: person next to you in the breakout.
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: If it was a workshop with a breakout, you know, and.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: It's like, oh that thing Craig said, who I'd never
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: met before on my table really helped me unlock this thing.
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: I'm like, cool, it doesn't have to come from me.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Have you ever gone in with a
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: bit of a plan or an idea of what you're
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: going to do and realized maybe not that it was
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: not landing, or maybe you did realize that, or maybe
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: you realized, oh, this is not the group, this is
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: not the vibe that I thought, This is not what
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: I thought it was going to be. So we're going
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: to do a slight left turn here. Have you done that?
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, probably too many times to count, right right.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: The what I think about a lot is when I
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: was briefed on this commercial, big commercial team of one
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: hundred commercial directors of this big organization, and the briefing was,
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: you know, they're commercial, so they're very confident, they're very outspoken,
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: they will be not backwards in coming forward. So I'm okay,
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: so we're going to have a super enthusiastic group. So
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: five minutes se and I'm going to ask the audience
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: a question and just see based on what they say,
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: which story I might tell next, you know, slight, a
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: slight version of choose your own adventure with a pretty
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: clear idea where I want to go anyway. And so
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: I said to them, like, I don't know what's the
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: current challenge you have right now and your roles leader
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: something like that.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: And when I say there were crickets, I mean one
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: hundred people just sat in total silence, including the event organizer,
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: who knew I was going to ask this question.
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, at least you could ask me. Come on, Yes, yes,
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: I have this out.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: Of body experience, which is I think you're bombing right now.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: I think this is bombing. You have totally misread this
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: entire situation. And ironically, the topic was to communicate more
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: effectively as a leader, So there was like this out
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: of body better experience of I'm trying to help them
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: be better communicators. Clearly I'm not nailing it because they're
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: not even responding to what I'm saying.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Did you go by the way, don't do this, by
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: the way, avoid this.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: I made some poor joke about I don't know, maybe
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: they just had lunch or something, and I made some
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: joke about, you know, everyone's still digesting the tuna sandwiches
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: or something. And so about five minutes later, I was like,
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: I'm I'm going to try something different, and I said,
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: now this time, I want you to turn to the
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: person next to you and say, this is something I'm
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: grappling with in my communication as a leader.
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: And all of a sudden, they lit up and they
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: couldn't stop talking.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: And I got that experience of they're they're so confident
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: and over enthusiastic because they're commercial directors. And it was
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: the change in who you have to speak in front of,
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: and that there was a more specific audience rather than
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: yell out in front of one hundred of your peers,
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: by the way, ninety nine of whom you might not
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: even know.
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: Yes, So it was like.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: There's one hundred people that are confident, but actually maybe
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: they don't know each other, and so they're not going
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: to yell out in front of a hundred people, but
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: if you give them the task of talking to the
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: person next to them. And so I think I salvaged
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: it a little bit. But there was a moment there
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: where I was like, what I've misread the room here.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: This is is not going well.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's oh, I mean yeah, I've had a version
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: of that. But it's funny. You often see people who
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: are new to the stage and they'll walk up and.
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: Haw's everyone going, people just like a fucking it's like
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: a library, great morning hah.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: And people are like, oh god, I'm like, oh, don't
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: don't because no one, especially if you're right, especially if
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: it's say a conference where it's like an industry conference
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: where there are a bunch of strangers who don't all
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: work together in the room. So you've got thirty different companies,
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: you might have three people from each company, and you've
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: got one hundred people or so, and yeah, you just
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: ask these questions that don't really demand an answer. So
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: that is, yeah, like my go to if I'm stuck,
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: which I've shared ten times, free to use it, everyone is,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: I might say, because we're going to talk about the
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: mind and thinking in human behavior, and you know, blah,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah, and I won't even go I'm Craig.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: This has a bit of my backstory. I don't do anything.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: I go, all right, put up your hand if you're
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: an overthinker. And everyone goes, oh fuck, I'm an overthinker,
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: and all the handscarp. I go, how's that working? How's
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: that going for you? And they all laugh, how's that
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: working out?
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: That's good? That's good.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: I go, that has the mayhem in your scom going?
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: What is that about? And then I'll walk up someone.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: I go, all right, be brave and bold. What do
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: you overthink and are? Usually? You know it'd be everything. Okay,
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: give me one thing on the everything list. I go
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: and they'll go, you know, like being embarrassed or failing
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: or whatever it is right, and I go, anyone else,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: anyone else in that group in me? I don't want
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: to fail. I don't want to look silly. I don't
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: want to be embarrassed. I don't put you know, I go,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: all right, well that's a very big club. So you
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: know you're not a weirder. In fact, you're more common
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: than weird, you know. And then then we've got a
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: conversation then we've got interaction. Then we've got participation. Now
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: I'm not on a Now I'm not a bloke on
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: a stage talking to one hundred trees in a room. Yeah,
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: you know it's that that can I What can I
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: ask that almost is impossible to not participate in? Yeah?
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: How do I create connection? It's like connection over content.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: It's not that I need to get up and deliver
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: all this content to you. It's I'm going to get
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: up and connect with you immediately, and that is going
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: to be the thing that we all remember in the
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: experience that makes us feel something rather than jeeze.
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: I had some good content, yes, And.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Also like and I've had lots of resistance from news
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: speakers that I've helped that are very smart, very knowledgeable,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: and in their area, way more knowledgeable than me. And
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: when I say you need to be more of an
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: edutainer than an educator, they're like what, And I go,
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: if you are boring, if they do not en or you,
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: if you can't tell a story, if you can't be
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: a little bit amusing. You don't need to be hilarious
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: or a stand up comic. But if your information and
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: your data and your research is brilliant, but they are
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: not engaged, they are not enjoying it. They don't enjoy you.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: They won't enjoy the experience. You're not getting any more work.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: So how well can you build connection and rapport and
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: trust and respect, also sharing your ideas and your information
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: and your knowledge. Do that, but also realize more important
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: than your content is your capacity to engage a room
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: of humans and read the room of humans in real
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: time and then respond accordingly. Which sounds overwhelming, but you
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: know you build on that because you go, oh, I
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: did this last time. It didn't work. Well, I'm not
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: fucking doing that again. When I ask that, it's like
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: generally you know that gets a response.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they'll feel fine. You'll find the thing, the tool
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: that you have that you get really good responses from,
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: like your one, you know, like how many people are overthinkers.
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: You'll find your version of that. Yes, and you can
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: use that, you know, repeatedly. Just because you don't have
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: a script doesn't mean you know, in my context, I
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: don't always have a scripture doesn't mean I don't tell
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: the same stories or use the same ideas. Yes, I
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: mean they don't come out the same every time. Because
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: it's not scripted, but the punchline should still be the same.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when I start to introduce the idea of metaperception,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: you know, my research, which is understanding what it's like
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: being around you. You know, you can go through this
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: whole cognitive kind of explanation of you know, metacognition and
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: theory of mind and metaperception and all of these constructs
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: that live in the world of psychological research and analysis. Right,
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: but it's boring, Like it's boring, and I can exp
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: to in that context it's boring, but I will go
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: rather than saying, hey, everybody, I've just spent six years
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: researching this thing called meta let me unpack it with you.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: So get out your note pad and switch on and
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: eyes to me, you know, like everyone's like, ah, fuck off, right,
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: So I go, all right, put wrap your hand. If
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: you've ever heard your voice on audio, like audio recording,
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: And people go, oh, fah, that's the worst, and they
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: and they all put up their hand reluctantly, and I go, now,
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: put up your hand if you think you sound shit,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: that's good. I love that. And everyone laughs because to them,
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: when they hear themselves, you know, on audio recording, they
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: sound rubbish, so you know, and I go, well, here's
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: the bad news. That's what you sound like for the
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: rest of us all the time. You know, that whiny
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: nasally thing that you got going on, that's all we hear.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: So when you hear yourself and you go, I don't
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: sound anything like that. You sound exactly like that all
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: of the time. All of the people who fucking hear you,
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: So that what you've got going on in your head,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: we do not live in there. And I go, and
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: then I unpack it. So this is the opening of
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: the door to trying to understand what you are like
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: for me, not in a good way or a bad
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: way or a critical way, but just in an awareness way.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: You know, we go oh oh, and I go, this
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: is why this stuff matters. You know, Like what if
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: you're a coach and you're talking to your ten athletes
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: on the basketball court and you think you're inspiring and
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: directing and captivating them, and they all think you're a dickhead,
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: but you don't know. You know, they all think you're
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: they don't understand what you're talking about, or they're not inspired,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: or they're bored or they're intimidated. Well, even though that's
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: not your intention. Obviously, it's certainly in your interest to
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: understand their version of right now, because your version of
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: right now is not theirs. And if you don't know that,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: you're going to create more problems and solutions. Nice, but
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: you get there by opening that other Have you heard
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: yourself on audio? This is like these stepping stone this
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: is the oh yeah, a little bit of a story,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: a little few laughs, and then so this is how
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: this relates to this other thing.
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's such a I feel like there's a master
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: class in like, yeah, take can you take your knowledge
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: and wisdom? And undoubtedly everyone listening has a bunch of it,
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: but can you actually distill it into something that is relatable,
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: maybe humorous, that I can engage with, that I can
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: wrap my head around, not just I mean it's kind
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: it is kind of the in a meta way. Can
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: you understand how you're coming across on stage in the
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: same way that you understand how your voice sounds when
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: you listen to a recording, Because if you sound professorial
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: like a professor yea, and that's not what the audience
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: calls for, you're pretty quickly going to lose them. So
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: that it's not about knowledge dumping knowledge sharing. It's about
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: can you translate that into something that is worth connecting
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: with and over And I.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: Think a lot of people naturally have a better understanding
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: and grasp of this than they think. Yes, but it's like,
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: you know, so if if let's say Tiff wasn't a speaker,
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: she was a boxer and a trainer, right, which is
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: part of her background as well. But if she had
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: to talk to a bunch of forty year old ladies
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: about you know, beginning off in boxing or whatever, versus
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: a bunch of forteen year old boys, right, it would
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: be even though she's talking about the same thing, it's
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: a very different energy and conversation. And you know, and
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: nobody said to her, Hey, when you talk to the boys,
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: don't talk like you did to the women, because that's
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: self evident. So we do it anyway. We have an
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: awareness anyway. But it's you know, it's like me knowing
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: that the mil Jura vibe and energy and language is
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: not going to work at A and Z in Melbourne.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: That's not the right approach or vibe. And just yes,
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: we can share all the same ideas, but not in
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: the same way.
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: Totally.
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: People speak to my son differently to how they speak
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: to me, shocker, and like we do that, we do
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: that subconsciously, so it's the same, it's the same skill.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: It's always good talking to you, mate, I love talking
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: to you. How is that going.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: I've got a page of notes, which is great. I
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: feel like I just got a masterclass, which is great.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: Well, we always learn from you too. I love that.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: I know, I know it's not yours, but I love
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: the purple cow thing and tips blue apple thing. I
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: love that. How do people connect with you?
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: Oh human?
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: Periscope dot com is the one stop shop for all things,
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: all things Peach Sheppard podcast, blogs, all that jazz, emails, reach.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: Out, giddy ut butto cup. Have you got lots of
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: corporate on at the moment?
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: I do?
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: I feel like I'm in Sydney every other week at
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: the moment, which is which is fun, which is good.
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: And I've started doing a few a few local gigs
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: up here too, with the with the Queensland Rugby League
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: and the Great Barrier Refoundation and a few others. So
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: a few local gigs and jumping on the plane plenty.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well you're good at it. That's why you're in
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: demand and and let me tell you, like there companies
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: are spending less on the speakers, and so the fact
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: that you are busier than ever is a sign. So
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: go you and TIFFs on a way, TIFFs on TIFFs
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: number number, I don't know whatever with a bullet. You're
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: on the rise. In a year, you're going to be
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: teaching me and Pete how to do this shit. I'm
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: straight We're going to have a little bit of a workshop.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: She'll bring out the blue Apple and I'll be like,
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: oh my god, the blue Apple.
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: There it is again.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: And Tiff, good luck for your escapades in Queensland. That's
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: coming up very soon, so we hope that goes great.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: Smash it, Tiff, all right, team love your guts is
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: so yeah.