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Sharri | 22 May · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Shari.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening. I'm Caleb Bond.
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Speaker 3: Tonight the shortest divorce in history, Nationals and Liberals reenter negotiations,
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Speaker 3: which has me asking why was this public blow up
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Speaker 3: necessary at all? To israel embassy staff as a dead
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Speaker 3: in the United States after they were shot allegedly by
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Speaker 3: a man yelling free Palestine. Alex Ruftan joins me in
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Speaker 3: a moment for his reaction, and we'll get the latest
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Speaker 3: on the terrible floods in northern New South Wales, including
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Speaker 3: what is likely to happen in the coming days.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 3: I've been in some on again, off again relationships before,
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Speaker 3: but live Charlie, you don't usually start talking about getting
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Speaker 3: back together after two days, but that is what has
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Speaker 3: happened today. The Liberals and the Nationals could be back
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Speaker 3: on as a coalition. Susan Lee had been working on
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Speaker 3: the phones this morning overnight talking to Nats who opposed
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Speaker 3: breaking up the coal to see if there was a
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Speaker 3: way she could broke her a truce. They were Barnaby Joyce,
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Speaker 3: Darren Chester, sam Byrell and Michael McCormack. Now Michael will
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Speaker 3: join me a little later in the show, and in
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Speaker 3: the meantime, David Little Proud had been working up a
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Speaker 3: list of shadow spokesmen and women for various portfolios so
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Speaker 3: that the Nationals could present like they were themselves an
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Speaker 3: opposition party, and Lee was meant to announce her shadow
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Speaker 3: ministry today two So Little Proud was having a meeting
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Speaker 3: with his people in Canberra this morning, but then Lee
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Speaker 3: got in touch with him and struck a deal to
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Speaker 3: quote unquote pause the separation.
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Speaker 4: I had a brief meeting with Susan Lee and she
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Speaker 4: made an offer to reconvene her party room to discuss
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Speaker 4: the four policy areas that the National Party demand as
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Speaker 4: part of a coalition agreement, and I thank her for that,
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Speaker 4: and as a consequence, I have decided to send those
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Speaker 4: spokespeople home as a sign of good faith, and Susan
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Speaker 4: is a sign of good faith, will not be announcing
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Speaker 4: should I come. This is a positive step forward, one
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Speaker 4: in which we've always said we'd be productive and constructive.
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Speaker 3: Fantastic they've found a potential way forward. But all I
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Speaker 3: could think today was why didn't you do this earlier?
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Speaker 3: I mean, why did you wait until this point, until
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Speaker 3: after the coalition had split and all this blood had
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Speaker 3: been spilt and people getting angry at each other and
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Speaker 3: all the rest of it. Why did you wait until
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Speaker 3: now to come up with a compromise deal. I mean,
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Speaker 3: what they've come up with here seems quite sensible. The
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Speaker 3: Nationals said very clearly that they had four policies that
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Speaker 3: were non negotiable for the coalition to continue, supporting nuclear energy,
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Speaker 3: divestiture of supermarkets, the Regional Future Fund, and mobile coverage
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Speaker 3: in the bush. Fair enough, But Susan Lee said the
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Speaker 3: Liberal Party hadn't committed to any policies and it wasn't
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Speaker 3: about to because absolutely everything was on the table and
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Speaker 3: they'd have to duke it out before they knew what
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Speaker 3: they were going to do. Fair Enough, that's the decision
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Speaker 3: she'd made. But if it's good enough now for the
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Speaker 3: Liberal Party to say, okay, we'll make an exception to
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Speaker 3: the process and we can meet and discuss these four
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Speaker 3: specific policies, then why couldn't they have come to that
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Speaker 3: agreement just a few days ago? This was what Lee
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Speaker 3: said on Tuesday.
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Speaker 5: Now, the Nationals sought specific commitments on certain policies and
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Speaker 5: they've talked.
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Speaker 6: About that this morning.
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Speaker 5: And our perspective is not about the individual policies themselves.
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Speaker 5: But the approach that we said we would take to
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Speaker 5: our party room about policies, nothing adopted and nothing abandoned.
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Speaker 5: So at this point in time I asked the Nationals
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Speaker 5: to respect those party room processes.
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Speaker 2: And they did respect those processes.
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Speaker 3: They walked away and said, well, we'll talk later on,
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Speaker 3: and now you've gone back to them. I mean, she
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Speaker 3: said at that presser that she proposed that they come
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Speaker 3: up with a shadow ministry together and then both parties
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Speaker 3: go away and come up with their policy positions and then.
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Speaker 2: They'll come back and they'll work it all out.
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Speaker 3: And the National said, no, we want assurance on these
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Speaker 3: four policies before we move forward. Lee refused, and then
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Speaker 3: Ats walked away. I mean, for three days now we
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Speaker 3: have been talking about this and how it's bad for
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Speaker 3: conservative politics in the long run, and how the coalition
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Speaker 3: has to eventually get back together, and as much as
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Speaker 3: I've said that it will be for the best if
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Speaker 3: it pulls the Liberal Party in the right direction, there
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Speaker 3: is no getting around the fact that what we have
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Speaker 3: witnessed this week has been unfortunate and unsavory and unedifying.
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Speaker 3: But this could have been so simple to avoid we've
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Speaker 3: seen that today. All that needed to happen was for
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Speaker 3: a little Proud to drop his ridiculous request for Nationals
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Speaker 3: to not have to abide by cabinet solidarity, and for
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Speaker 3: Lee to call a party room meeting to discuss these
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Speaker 3: four policies just get it done. And they're all pretty
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Speaker 3: straightforward policies anyway. I honestly can't see a position in
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Speaker 3: which the Libs don't back all these policies in again,
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Speaker 3: so why couldn't they have just sorted it out before that?
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Speaker 3: You know what hit the fan? Now again, I'll say
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Speaker 3: I think this can ultimately be a good thing because
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Speaker 3: it sent a strong message to the Liberal Party, But
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Speaker 3: you cannot get away from what a side show this
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Speaker 3: has been and what a free kick it was to
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Speaker 3: the Labor Party, particularly now that they're going to try
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Speaker 3: and patch things up so quickly. On this basis, you'd
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Speaker 3: have to say it didn't need to happen. I mean,
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Speaker 3: what did Lee think she was going to achieve? Whatever
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Speaker 3: it was, it seemingly hasn't worked. I mean, we read
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Speaker 3: in The Australian yesterday that she was keen for the
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Speaker 3: coalition not to get back together before the next election.
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Speaker 2: And keep all the shadow positions for Liberals.
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Speaker 3: Now, maybe that was a view born out of anger,
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Speaker 3: and I can kind of understand that, But clearly overnight
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Speaker 3: she's seen some sense. Now it's of course possible that
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Speaker 3: the Liberal Party doesn't back those four policies.
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Speaker 2: I mean that have rocks in.
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Speaker 3: Their heads if they did that, and it does seem
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Speaker 3: quite unlikely. So why did we have to go through
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Speaker 3: this whole plava in the first place. Now, let's not
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Speaker 3: mince words here. What we saw today in Washington, d C.
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Speaker 3: Was a terror attack. A lone man with a gun
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Speaker 3: outside the Capitol Jewish Museum approaches a group of people
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Speaker 3: and shoots dead a man and a woman Israeli embassy staff,
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Speaker 3: and they were about to get engaged next week.
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Speaker 7: The young man purchased a ring this week with the
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Speaker 7: intention of proposing to his girlfriend next week in Jerusalem.
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Speaker 7: They were a beautiful couple.
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Speaker 3: Now I don't often get emotional. I've been to some
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Speaker 3: pretty gruesome scenes as a reporter into view the families
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Speaker 3: of murder victims while they're still trying to register what's happened.
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Speaker 3: But thinking about two young people who've done nothing wrong,
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Speaker 3: their lives together ahead of them.
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Speaker 2: He's just bought the ring being.
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Speaker 3: Killed in a country far away from the war that
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Speaker 3: has triggered all of this. It did get to me,
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Speaker 3: you know, I'm a young man. I can see myself
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Speaker 3: in that position too.
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Speaker 2: This was terrorism, anti.
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Speaker 3: Semitic terrorism, And I know it hasn't been formally declared
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Speaker 3: a terror attack, but I think we can all see
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Speaker 3: what's going on here. Man goes to Jewish museum, shoots
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Speaker 3: dead too, Jews shouts free, Free Palestine. The intention is
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Speaker 3: very clear. It's meant to scare Jewish Americans and Jews
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Speaker 3: anywhere else for that matter, because you'd be worried now
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Speaker 3: about copycat attacks. And it's no coincidence that it happened now.
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Speaker 3: The pro Palestinian demonstrations and protests have largely died down.
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Speaker 3: It's not in the news every day in the same
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Speaker 3: way that it was a year ago. Has of course
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Speaker 3: ended its aid blockade, and the war may well be
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Speaker 3: nearing an end too.
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Speaker 2: So the point of today's attack was very clear.
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Speaker 3: Even if this is falling by the wayside as an
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Speaker 3: issue of public discussion, even if the war may be
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Speaker 3: reaching something of a conclusion, if you are Jewish, you
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Speaker 3: should still be worried, and you should still feel unsafe.
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Speaker 3: And that is the obvious consequence. This is the obvious
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Speaker 3: consequence of not clamping down on anti semitism much earlier.
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Speaker 3: I mean here in Australia, ever since October nine, when
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Speaker 3: gangs of men gathered on.
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Speaker 2: The steps of the opera house. Where's the Jews?
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Speaker 3: Gas the Jews? It doesn't really matter. But since that
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Speaker 3: moment you've had people who might have been quiet anti Semites,
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Speaker 3: if you want to call them that, who became loud
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Speaker 3: anti Semites because they figured, well, my views are okay,
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Speaker 3: now I have strength in numbers. And we've seen examples
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Speaker 3: that before. And I'll repeat the words that I've said
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Speaker 3: before in this situation. This shows just how complacent we
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Speaker 3: have become about the scourge of anti Semitism. We all
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Speaker 3: know there are racist people in the world, but even
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Speaker 3: most people who are racist don't feel comfortable talking publicly
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Speaker 3: about how they really feel because they fear the consequences
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Speaker 3: of their speech. And by not enforcing those consequences, we've
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Speaker 3: created a situation where someone in a Western country thinks
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Speaker 3: it's justified to shoot Jews dead for no other reason
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Speaker 3: than the fact that they are Jewish. It's nearly two
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Speaker 3: years since the Israel Garza War started, and I think
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Speaker 3: many of us feared something like this would happen, and
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Speaker 3: now it has. All right, let's jump straight into the
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Speaker 3: news of the day with my panel tonight, w WAY
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Speaker 3: opposition leader Basil Zimplas and DPG Advisory Solutions founder David Gazzard.
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Speaker 2: Welcome gents.
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Speaker 3: Now that the Nationals and the Liberals, as I said before,
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Speaker 3: it looks like they're about to patch things up.
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Speaker 2: He was David Little Proud today.
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Speaker 4: I can trust Susan and that's why she took a
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Speaker 4: leap of faith today and took a step forward and
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Speaker 4: said that she's prepared to go back and to bring
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Speaker 4: her party room back.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 3: Little Proud was adamant that the NATS weren't going anywhere,
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Speaker 3: of course, until the four policy demands were meant nuclear
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Speaker 3: energy and new off budget regional fund, the divestiture powers,
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Speaker 3: improved regional telecommunications.
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Speaker 2: And I can't see.
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Speaker 3: A position Basle in which the Liberal Party won't back
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Speaker 3: all of this in.
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Speaker 2: But as I said before.
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Speaker 3: I mean my question is if Susan Lee woke up
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Speaker 3: this morning and thought, okay, I feel comfortable that I
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Speaker 3: could call a party room meeting and we can deal
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Speaker 3: with this stuff. Why couldn't she have come to that
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Speaker 3: conclusion earlier in the week and avoided all of this mess?
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Speaker 1: Well, Caleb, good evening.
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Speaker 8: Maybe it is the old adage you don't know what
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Speaker 8: you've lost until it's gone, and perhaps that's applicable both ways. Look,
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Speaker 8: I do feel comfortable enough to say that the Libs
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Speaker 8: and the Nats are at their most effective when they
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Speaker 8: are working together. Certainly that's what we're doing here in
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Speaker 8: Western Australia with a very strong alliance with the Nationals
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Speaker 8: WA and the Liberals WA. After the last state election,
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Speaker 8: I realized that how it's done in Canberra is a
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Speaker 8: prerogative for our leaders in Canberra to decide.
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Speaker 1: But I think this is very encouraging.
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Speaker 8: I wouldn't say it's one big, happy family quite yet,
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Speaker 8: but it is encouraging for everyone. I think it's encouraging
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Speaker 8: too for good governance and good government because the most
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Speaker 8: effective opposition is what we need. That's what the country
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Speaker 8: needs to hold the alban Easy government to account. And
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Speaker 8: I think the most effective opposition brings the Nats and
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Speaker 8: the Liberal Party into one party room. So this is encouraging,
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Speaker 8: but it's not quite there yet.
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Speaker 3: Caleb, indeed and David Lee apparently reached out to the Nats,
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Speaker 3: who were reportedly against the split. I said before Barnaby, Joyce,
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Speaker 3: Michael McCormick, Darren Chester, Michael will join me shortly and
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Speaker 3: I'll ask him about those conversations that he had. But
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Speaker 3: how much do you think that played into it that
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Speaker 3: Lee was willing to get on the phone. This morning
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Speaker 3: they both said the door was open, But yesterday it
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Speaker 3: sounded like from both sides, Lee wasn't all that keen
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Speaker 3: to get the coalition back together. Little Proud was talking about,
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Speaker 3: you know maybe after the next election, if they're in
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Speaker 3: a position where they need us to form government, will
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Speaker 3: talk to them.
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Speaker 2: Then. Very different story today.
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Speaker 9: Look, I'm with you on this. I mean, why did
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Speaker 9: this happen have to happen in the first place. I
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Speaker 9: don't think really anyone understands that the National Party, in
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Speaker 9: seeking to kind of blaze their own trail with those
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Speaker 9: four policies, have had those for a while and they've
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Speaker 9: retained all their seats, so they can't look to an
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Speaker 9: electoral loss to say, well, we need to campaign harder
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Speaker 9: on these to hold our seats.
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Speaker 10: They held all their seats.
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Speaker 9: I have some sympathy for Susan because the parliament is now,
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Speaker 9: you know, roughly a third and two thirds two thirds
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Speaker 9: for progressives and I hate that term, but left of
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Speaker 9: center MPs with one third b conservatives. The problem that
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Speaker 9: Susan has an existential one where she is leaking votes
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Speaker 9: on the left, not the right.
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Speaker 10: So while it's good.
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Speaker 9: They've come back together and it will be a coalition,
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Speaker 9: it looks like going on into the future, and this
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Speaker 9: is the time you want to repair these sort of fractures.
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Speaker 10: And paper over the.
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Speaker 9: Wounds that remained and hopefully go forward in a stable
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Speaker 9: and sensible way.
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Speaker 10: You would want to do that now.
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Speaker 9: But there still has to be for the Liberal Party
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Speaker 9: a way of reaching into the cities, not the regions,
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Speaker 9: and that is still the great unanswered question that Susan
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Speaker 9: Lee has to has to ask and the party has
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Speaker 9: to respond to.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think it's worth noting that the seats
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Speaker 3: they lost at this election, apart from maybe Bradfield, which
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Speaker 3: we'll find out on the recount, were not teel style seats.
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Speaker 3: They were mostly out of suburban seats, which I think
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Speaker 3: might go some way to what they need to be
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Speaker 3: looking at. But because part of this pause is that
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Speaker 3: Susan Lee delayed announcing her shadow cabinet, which we were
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Speaker 3: meant to get today, Basil.
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Speaker 2: And again it's one of those things.
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Speaker 3: I mean, she stood up on Tuesday and said I
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Speaker 3: will be announcing the shadow cabinet on Thursday, which of
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Speaker 3: course would have included no Nationals, so the entire thing
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Speaker 3: goes to the Liberals. And if she had done that,
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Speaker 3: it would have made the possibility of the coalition getting
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Speaker 3: back together that much harder because of course then she'd
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Speaker 3: have to take rolls away from Libs to give them
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Speaker 3: to Nats. So it very much seems like in every
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Speaker 3: way she was determined not to get the band back
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Speaker 3: together until this morning, because what was the rush. I mean,
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Speaker 3: Parliament's not sitting until July. She didn't have to announce
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Speaker 3: a shadow cabinet today.
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Speaker 1: Well, didn't have to.
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Speaker 8: But then again, I suppose the opposition leader does want
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Speaker 8: to get on with it, wants to put her people
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Speaker 8: in their positions and start to form the nucleus of
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Speaker 8: that team that you're going to start to mold and
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Speaker 8: shape towards the next election.
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Speaker 1: What I would say is I appreciate that.
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Speaker 8: This is not absolutely perfect, it's not ideal execution of
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Speaker 8: whatever the new arrangement might be. But we are so
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Speaker 8: close to the last federal election, the one that's just gone.
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Speaker 8: If you're going to do these things, this is when
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Speaker 8: it gets done. And has it been done ideally?
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Speaker 1: No? I think that's a fair comment.
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Speaker 8: Might have been better to do it in another way,
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Speaker 8: or have these discussions before. Sure, However, in a couple
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Speaker 8: of days, in a week, it'll get sorted. It'll be sorted,
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Speaker 8: and in a month nobody will be talking about what
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Speaker 8: we're talking about.
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Speaker 1: Right now, no one will talk about it. I get
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Speaker 1: it fixed, That'll be it. We're a long way away
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Speaker 1: from the next election.
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Speaker 3: Well, can I ask you, Basil? Of course, as opposition
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Speaker 3: leader in WA if you were in a position like this,
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Speaker 3: what would you have done the Nats come to you
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Speaker 3: as the liberal leader and say we want to split
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Speaker 3: up because I need an assurance on these four policies.
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Speaker 2: What would you have done?
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Speaker 8: Well, I'm going to talk hypotheticals here. I mean, how
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Speaker 8: Susan enters into negotiations with David is entirely their business.
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Speaker 8: I absolutely respect that, and I am not in the
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Speaker 8: federal space. But what I will say is that my
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Speaker 8: view is, and certainly the people of Western Australia that
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Speaker 8: I've spoken to coming off the back of an election loss,
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Speaker 8: is that we are better when we are together, the
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Speaker 8: Libs and the Nats working together in government, it's been
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Speaker 8: very effective. We're better in opposition that way as well.
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Speaker 8: But as Liberal leader, I wouldn't be giving into demands necessarily.
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Speaker 8: I think everything is a negotiation. Everything has to be
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Speaker 8: with the other side's perspective considered. But if there were
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Speaker 8: positions that I'm not entirely comfortable with on behalf of
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Speaker 8: the team that I am working with the Liberal team,
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Speaker 8: it's not a case of just fold because a certain
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Speaker 8: outcome is required or requested. You have to be true
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Speaker 8: to your values and true to your party's principles.
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Speaker 1: So that, Caleb is how I would.
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Speaker 8: Enter into any hypothetical negotiations should they ever come my way.
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Speaker 8: But I've got to say that NAT's and the Libs
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Speaker 8: in WA we're working magnificently together in a very effective
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Speaker 8: opposition alliance.
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Speaker 2: Good to hear, David.
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Speaker 3: I wonder if this clip here of Alban Easy talking
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Speaker 3: about the resources that would have been given to the
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Speaker 3: Nationals if there was a coalition breakup played any role
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Speaker 3: in the renegotiations.
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Speaker 11: Take a look, but clearly it is not reasonable that
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Speaker 11: there be more staff or a reward if you like,
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Speaker 11: for the fact that you had this division has occurred.
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Speaker 3: I mean it, then that's in a very difficult position, David,
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Speaker 3: no doubt about.
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Speaker 9: You need every staff member you can get when you're
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Speaker 9: in opposition, and that would have put them under tremendous pressure.
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Speaker 9: I still think they would have been sitting in policy purity,
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Speaker 9: up on the back bench, unable to affect any change
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Speaker 9: to any policy anyway, which would have been a miserable
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Speaker 9: place with or without staff. Look, I think Basil is right.
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Speaker 9: The coalition works better when it is in conjunction. My
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Speaker 9: first week working in politics was with John Howard and
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Speaker 9: Port Arthur occurred and that put the coalition under enormous strain.
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Speaker 9: The gun buy back put massive pressure on the National
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Speaker 9: Party and gave rise to One Nation, but Tim Fisher
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Speaker 9: at the time did not buckle under the pressure from
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Speaker 9: the Bush kept it all together. The cities responded well
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Speaker 9: and over time.
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Speaker 10: Basily was quite right.
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Speaker 9: The two parties worked better together and saw off the
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Speaker 9: sort of forces on the extreme right together and it
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Speaker 9: was a very very successful coalition twelve for twelve years.
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Speaker 10: The time to do this is now.
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Speaker 9: The time to have a full scale policy review in
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Speaker 9: both the National Party and the Liberal Party is now.
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Speaker 9: They've just gone through an election loss. They need to
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Speaker 9: come to grips with as you say, Caleb, what happened
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Speaker 9: in our of metro seats, What is happening in the
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Speaker 9: city seats?
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Speaker 10: How can we respond? What kind of people.
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Speaker 9: Are we going to appoint to shadow ministry positions. I
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Speaker 9: think Susan has a great opportunity with some of the
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Speaker 9: crop of really new, young, gifted talent that is waiting
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Speaker 9: to be given a go. So it's better to let
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Speaker 9: the blood letting occur now, get the thing fixed and
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Speaker 9: then move on united after that.
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Speaker 2: Let's hope so well.
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Speaker 3: We haven't even talked about that letters that Bridget McKenzie
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Speaker 3: sent to mcgally cash. There is so much going on here,
19:53
Speaker 3: David Basil, thank you so much for joining me. Now
19:55
Speaker 3: let's talk to someone who was apparently involved in the
19:57
Speaker 3: talks to get the Liberals and Nationals back together joined
20:00
Speaker 3: again by National ZMP, Michael Mccormickmichael we spoke to each
20:04
Speaker 3: other on Tuesday. I don't think we were expecting to
20:07
Speaker 3: speak to each other in these circumstances again on Thursday.
20:11
Speaker 3: But you must have been pleased with the news today.
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Speaker 12: Well it is that great political philosopher Mariah Carey said,
20:19
Speaker 12: we've belonged together and along together, and it seems as
20:25
Speaker 12: though there's been, as one Liberal insider told me today,
20:28
Speaker 12: great momentum, good discussions, productive work done at the Liberal
20:32
Speaker 12: Party meeting tonight evening five o'clock. A lengthy meeting, i'm told,
20:39
Speaker 12: but a good meeting. And the Liberals know that they
20:42
Speaker 12: can't govern without us, We know that we can't govern
20:44
Speaker 12: without them. It's John Howard has always said we're much
20:47
Speaker 12: better together and hopefully that will happen and happen soon.
20:52
Speaker 3: Well, thank you for the window into your musical taste, Michael. Now,
20:56
Speaker 3: Susan we reportedly reached out to several Gnats that she
20:59
Speaker 3: heard were against the split. You were one of them,
21:02
Speaker 3: Barnaby Joyce, Darren Chester, can you tell us about the
21:06
Speaker 3: conversation you had with Susan Lee.
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Speaker 12: Look, it was an earnest discussion. It was an honest discussions.
21:13
Speaker 12: Susan and I have been neighbors since twenty ten when
21:17
Speaker 12: I took over from k Hal. We are both coalitionists
21:22
Speaker 12: and we're both regional MPs. We've got everything in common
21:28
Speaker 12: and I remember Malcolm Turnbull once saying he was surprised
21:32
Speaker 12: at how close we were on policy and a lot
21:35
Speaker 12: of other things from different political parties. But we had
21:44
Speaker 12: a good discussion last night about where we could land this.
21:48
Speaker 12: I've talked to Dave little Proud this morning, encouraged him
21:51
Speaker 12: to obviously continue the discussions in a practical and reasonable
21:56
Speaker 12: and fair minded fashion, and he's done that and she's
21:59
Speaker 12: come to it in God faith too. Look, there's no
22:02
Speaker 12: sense having recriminations. I'm sorry that the fallout has burned
22:06
Speaker 12: this way this week. We didn't need to go down
22:09
Speaker 12: this path. I can't see why they're with such haste
22:12
Speaker 12: and look, I hopefully we've resolved those few differences that
22:16
Speaker 12: there are. I appreciate that we need to have a
22:19
Speaker 12: policy discussion we do as Nats the Liberals do. But
22:24
Speaker 12: when we do come together, both in Chadow Cabinet in
22:29
Speaker 12: the joint party room, we need to present a united
22:33
Speaker 12: front because the next three years is going to be
22:36
Speaker 12: hard on Australians. I really worry about cost of living.
22:39
Speaker 12: I worry about the unrealized capital gains. I worry about
22:42
Speaker 12: the lack of regional infrastructure that country areas are going
22:47
Speaker 12: to endure following the last budget. And we need to
22:50
Speaker 12: be talking about Australians, not ourselves. We don't need to
22:53
Speaker 12: be continue able gazing. We need to be getting on
22:55
Speaker 12: the front foot and making sure that we hold this
22:58
Speaker 12: government accountable.
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Speaker 3: When you spoke to Miss Lee, what impression did you
23:02
Speaker 3: get of why she seemed to have changed her tune,
23:04
Speaker 3: Because of course we read yesterday that she was quite
23:07
Speaker 3: prepared to go the full three years into another election
23:11
Speaker 3: without being in coalition with the NATS.
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Speaker 12: I think all along, I think we would have resolved
23:18
Speaker 12: it before the next election. I think it was going
23:20
Speaker 12: to be important. You can't go into a campaign with
23:22
Speaker 12: a fifty seat deficit and just hope that you're going
23:25
Speaker 12: to form government and then maybe get some sort of
23:28
Speaker 12: as they do in Western Australia, alliance after the election.
23:33
Speaker 12: You can't do that, given the fact that we've been
23:35
Speaker 12: so successful for so long, eighty years in fact, and
23:39
Speaker 12: I think it was always going to happen before the election,
23:42
Speaker 12: not after. This looks like it's going to come to
23:46
Speaker 12: fruition and hopefully within days not weeks, we resume Parliament
23:51
Speaker 12: on the twenty second of July. I'm hoping that we're
23:54
Speaker 12: back united. Yes we'll still have to work through review
23:58
Speaker 12: processes in both parties. Yes we'll still have to work
24:01
Speaker 12: through policies etc. But we need to be back as
24:05
Speaker 12: one fighting the real enemy, and that is Later and
24:09
Speaker 12: the Greens of course, although it's only one of them
24:11
Speaker 12: now in the Low House, thank goodness, that's one too many.
24:14
Speaker 12: But that's the challenge for Liberals and Nationals, and so
24:19
Speaker 12: in good faith it looks as though the talks are
24:21
Speaker 12: going to be fruitful and I look very much forward
24:24
Speaker 12: over the coming hopefully twenty four or forty eight hours,
24:27
Speaker 12: it all been resolved and we can get on back
24:30
Speaker 12: doing what we should be doing, and that's listening to
24:32
Speaker 12: the needs and ons of Australians and acting on that.
24:35
Speaker 3: We've only got a minute, markl But given that you've
24:37
Speaker 3: sort of come back together so soon, I mean two
24:40
Speaker 3: days and the negotiations batt I know, do you think
24:45
Speaker 3: the decision that the National Party made and your leader
24:48
Speaker 3: David little Proud made was the right one?
24:53
Speaker 12: Well as Burne reported, I voted against it, and so
24:57
Speaker 12: I didn't want to see it split in the first place.
24:59
Speaker 12: So I suppose the into that questions. I don't think
25:01
Speaker 12: it was the right decision, but I always go with
25:03
Speaker 12: the party policy given the fact that you know we
25:07
Speaker 12: are a democratic party, you go with the majority rules.
25:10
Speaker 12: And the majority of the party felt on Tuesday that
25:15
Speaker 12: we would split from the Liberals, and so I did
25:18
Speaker 12: my best to address that issue in any number of
25:22
Speaker 12: press appearances. But you know, it's raining here in Wogga
25:26
Speaker 12: Woggorn across the river, and that's bringing more joy to
25:28
Speaker 12: me than anything I have to say, because we've had
25:30
Speaker 12: a prolonged drove and when you've got farmers in desperate trouble,
25:35
Speaker 12: you're thinking more about them than you're thinking about yourself
25:38
Speaker 12: and power and positions. I'm just glad that it looks
25:40
Speaker 12: as though we're going to get the Nationals and Liberals
25:42
Speaker 12: back together. And I'm very very glad that it's drizzling
25:45
Speaker 12: right outside.
25:46
Speaker 3: Good luck, Michael, Thank you so much for your time.
25:49
Speaker 3: Still come, I'll bring you the latest on the New
25:51
Speaker 3: South Wales flooding disasters. Going News reported Jim Callanan is
25:55
Speaker 3: in the area, and meteorologist Alison Osborne will give us
25:58
Speaker 3: the forecast for the rest of the week. But first
26:00
Speaker 3: we turned to the horror that unfolded in Washington, d C.
26:03
Speaker 3: Where two Israeli embassy workers were shot dead outside a
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Speaker 3: Jewish museum, allegedly by a man yelling at free Palestine.
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Speaker 2: Alex Ritchen will join me next well.
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Speaker 3: A chilling day for Jewish people around the world, with
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Speaker 3: two Israeli embassy workers being shot dead outside the Jewish
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Speaker 3: Museum in Washington, d C. They were a young couple
26:26
Speaker 3: who were leaving an event for young Jewish professionals at
26:29
Speaker 3: the museum, and the man, as I said earlier, had
26:31
Speaker 3: been planning on proposing. Chief of Metropolitan Police Department of
26:36
Speaker 3: the District of Columbia, Pamela Smith confirmed a thirty year
26:39
Speaker 3: old Chicago man has been arrested.
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Speaker 13: Prior to the shooting, the suspect was observed piecing back
26:46
Speaker 13: and forth outside of the museum.
26:48
Speaker 14: He approached a group.
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Speaker 13: Of four people, produced a handgun and opened fire, striking
26:54
Speaker 13: both of our decedents. After the shooting, the suspect then
26:58
Speaker 13: entered the museum and was deteamed by event security. The
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Speaker 13: suspect chanted free Free Palestine while in custody.
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Speaker 3: Anti Semitism is real, and here we see the consequences.
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Speaker 3: Welcome to reality. And this is a nightmare come true
27:15
Speaker 3: for Jews right across the world and for everyone else.
27:18
Speaker 3: I think, who has a brain. I'm joined now by
27:20
Speaker 3: Executive Council of Australian Jury co CEO Alex Rifchin. Alex,
27:26
Speaker 3: as I said earlier, all of us, I think feared
27:29
Speaker 3: this day would come, and it has.
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Speaker 15: That's right. I mean, everything that's transplied in the last
27:36
Speaker 15: eight ten months has been deeply shocking and yet at
27:38
Speaker 15: the same time utterly predictable. And the person who did
27:42
Speaker 15: this was the product of a movement and he chanted
27:45
Speaker 15: the name of that movement as it carried out these atrocities.
27:48
Speaker 15: And that's the Free Palestine movement. And that movement has,
27:51
Speaker 15: for years, but particularly the last eight ten months, been
27:53
Speaker 15: relentlessly inciting against the Jewish community, putting targets on the
27:57
Speaker 15: backs of community leaders and people who frequent commune institutions
28:01
Speaker 15: like the museum there in DC. And this is the
28:04
Speaker 15: inevitable consequence of that. And too often Western media even
28:09
Speaker 15: governments have uncritically swallowed the propaganda of this movement lies
28:13
Speaker 15: about genocide. In the last few days we've heard more
28:15
Speaker 15: lies from UN officials, regurgitated by the media uncritically about
28:19
Speaker 15: fourteener babies poised to die by Israel's hand and this.
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Speaker 1: Sort of stuff.
28:24
Speaker 15: It's not reckless, it's not unprofessional. It's dangerous, and the
28:27
Speaker 15: outcome is what we've seen here in murder.
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Speaker 3: And by not addressing that earlier, and we can talk
28:34
Speaker 3: about Australia, but obviously the US as well and all
28:38
Speaker 3: over the world. By not addressing it earlier, you turned
28:42
Speaker 3: what you might call quiet anti Semites. People who wouldn't
28:46
Speaker 3: feel comfortable talking about it publicly because they'd be worried
28:50
Speaker 3: about the repercussions of doing so, have now felt embolved,
28:54
Speaker 3: comfortable to come out and say things. And the more
28:57
Speaker 3: and more that has happened, it builds up to the
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Speaker 3: point where you get an event like we have today.
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Speaker 3: Someone felt comfortable that it was right to shoot two
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Speaker 3: people for no other reason that they were Jewish.
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Speaker 15: That's absolutely correct, and there's been a progression in that incitement,
29:15
Speaker 15: and it's come to the point now where to speak
29:17
Speaker 15: of Zionists as being unhuman, as being all terrorists, which
29:22
Speaker 15: we hear chantered on the streets of Melbourne and Sydney
29:24
Speaker 15: on a frequent basis, or that all Zionists are child
29:27
Speaker 15: killers and murderers and genocidal maniacs, or should be purged
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Speaker 15: from society, or should be denied cultural freedoms. These things
29:34
Speaker 15: are now uttered on our streets, in our institutions without consequences,
29:38
Speaker 15: you say, and the product of that is what we've
29:41
Speaker 15: seen now, that progression. And we've been speaking about it,
29:44
Speaker 15: you and I, Caleb, and with your colleagues on Sky
29:47
Speaker 15: for so long. Now, when there are no consequences exacted,
29:51
Speaker 15: when people feel they can get away with this stuff.
29:52
Speaker 10: They go further and further and further.
29:54
Speaker 15: The only thing that extreme misunderstand is strict consequences. And
29:59
Speaker 15: until that's levy, until we see that, until we see
30:02
Speaker 15: a cost for being an Anthony Semke, this is going
30:04
Speaker 15: to get worse and worse.
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Speaker 3: Well, obviously, we've now seen a terror attack in the US,
30:09
Speaker 3: and you'd be stupid not to be worried about copycats.
30:12
Speaker 3: I mean, what do you think the likelihood of something
30:14
Speaker 3: like this happening in Australia.
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Speaker 15: Is Well, again, we've seen things in the past eighteen
30:19
Speaker 15: months that we thought we're immune from in Australia the
30:22
Speaker 15: fire bombings of people's homes and vehicles and childcare centers
30:25
Speaker 15: and incineration of synagogues, and we've been warning about what
30:30
Speaker 15: is to come. The writing was on the wall for
30:32
Speaker 15: a long time and there is no reason. Sadly, and
30:35
Speaker 15: it's shocking to n of this, but there's no reason
30:37
Speaker 15: why something like this can't happen in this country because
30:40
Speaker 15: we have the same ideology, the same extremism, the same
30:43
Speaker 15: people who wish to do the Jewish community harm here.
30:47
Speaker 15: And it's going to take a hell of a lot
30:48
Speaker 15: of resolve from our security agencies and the police and
30:51
Speaker 15: the community and wider society to stamp this out and
30:54
Speaker 15: to protect Jewish Australians well.
30:57
Speaker 3: Alex obviously your former home was targeted previously, so you
31:02
Speaker 3: know that someone potentially had ill intent towards you. After
31:06
Speaker 3: seeing this today, are you concerned for your own safety?
31:12
Speaker 15: Look, I'm not concerned for my own safety. I'm concerned
31:14
Speaker 15: for the welfare of the Jewish people of our country, Australia,
31:19
Speaker 15: and for the Jewish community here. That's where my concern
31:21
Speaker 15: has always been. And I was targeted because I speak
31:24
Speaker 15: for the community because I express what the vast majority
31:28
Speaker 15: of the community feels, and the consequence of that is
31:30
Speaker 15: sometimes dire and to be put in peral and that's.
31:34
Speaker 10: Just the way it's going to be.
31:35
Speaker 15: But my concern is for what happens to other members
31:38
Speaker 15: of the community and our chamule institutions. I don't want
31:41
Speaker 15: to credit a situation where Jewish Australians are fearful of
31:44
Speaker 15: getting together, attending communal events of the sort that we
31:46
Speaker 15: saw in Washington DC. Our museums, our schools, our institutions
31:50
Speaker 15: are the lifeblood of this community, the vibrance and heartbeat
31:54
Speaker 15: of this community. And Jews need to feel safe to
31:56
Speaker 15: attend institutions and congregate and get together because is if
32:00
Speaker 15: we can't do that, not only is it a cuippling
32:02
Speaker 15: blow to Jewish life in this country, it's a blow
32:04
Speaker 15: to our democracy, to our freedoms as Australians.
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Speaker 3: Alex Rifchin, thank you for joining me. Now, thanks, let's
32:11
Speaker 3: turn out of the awful floods in New South Wales,
32:13
Speaker 3: which it is now confirmed have killed three people. Scaranne
32:17
Speaker 3: News reported. Jim Callanan filed this earlier from Forster.
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Speaker 14: Hello Carleb.
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Speaker 16: Yeah, it's been a really tough day here on the
32:24
Speaker 16: mid north coast of New South Wales for so many,
32:26
Speaker 16: particular many of those Attari, which effectively has been marooned.
32:31
Speaker 16: It's been an island for some time now after the
32:33
Speaker 16: manning broke its banks like yesterday and record measures and
32:37
Speaker 16: then continued to do so given the rain kept tumbling
32:41
Speaker 16: down for much of today and we understand will continue
32:44
Speaker 16: for well into.
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Speaker 2: The evening as well.
32:47
Speaker 16: There's some one hundred and forty warnings from the SEES now,
32:51
Speaker 16: thirty four of those at the emergency level. They basically
32:54
Speaker 16: telling people, if it is safe, get out of where
32:56
Speaker 16: you are, so they are telling people to make sure
33:00
Speaker 16: they take heed because of those tragedies today as well.
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Speaker 14: That just underlines the serious.
33:06
Speaker 16: Nature of how things are unfolding here by our now.
33:11
Speaker 14: Amongst it all, we've spent a pretty busy day in.
33:14
Speaker 16: Tarre, where we got to see up close in person
33:16
Speaker 16: and what a lot of the emergency crews have been
33:18
Speaker 16: up to.
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Speaker 14: They've got nine.
33:19
Speaker 16: Aircraft here across a range of emergency services, the WESTBEC Rescue,
33:24
Speaker 16: a helicopter, RFIRS, Pole Air and the like, and they've
33:27
Speaker 16: been working virtually around the clock both out there trying
33:31
Speaker 16: to assess the situation, but also winching people to safety,
33:34
Speaker 16: including a lovely couple. We met Paul and Liz Brennan
33:39
Speaker 16: just on the outskirts of tar Reb, but they've been
33:41
Speaker 16: oscillated for about the last four days and then today
33:44
Speaker 16: finally they heard that amazing sound of a chopper coming
33:48
Speaker 16: to winch them to safety and get them to safer
33:52
Speaker 16: and high ground along with their dog tricks in then
33:55
Speaker 16: a little bit late in the afternoon and a real
33:57
Speaker 16: understanding of what this means a local level, a local
34:01
Speaker 16: sees volunteer in Cassie Lake who's spent the last two
34:07
Speaker 16: days volunteering and helping others inadvertently through that action, had
34:12
Speaker 16: then been cut off from our own family or late
34:15
Speaker 16: today reunited with all four of her children care of
34:19
Speaker 16: another chopper airlift. So amongst all the tragedy, some real
34:23
Speaker 16: good stories here as well.
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Speaker 3: Thank you to Jim for that, and my apology to
34:29
Speaker 3: the good people of Foster. I am but a humble
34:31
Speaker 3: South Australian, so I haven't got myself across these things yet.
34:34
Speaker 3: It is Foster, not Foster, and let's see what's in
34:37
Speaker 3: store for those in the flat affected areas for the
34:40
Speaker 3: rest of the week. Skarn New's meteorologist Allison Osborne has
34:43
Speaker 3: the latest.
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Speaker 17: Heavy rainfall is still a risk tonight across parts of
34:47
Speaker 17: the mid North coast of New South Wales, but that
34:50
Speaker 17: risk is rapidly easing back in time for the weekend.
34:54
Speaker 17: If we take a look at the current warnings, there's
34:57
Speaker 17: still the risk of six hourly rainfall totals up to
34:59
Speaker 17: one h hundred milimeters across the Mid North and that
35:02
Speaker 17: is again on top of areas that have seen upwards
35:05
Speaker 17: of five hundreds, so ongoing flash flood thread there. The
35:09
Speaker 17: risk is shifting southwards on Friday though, as a low
35:12
Speaker 17: pressure trough pulls towards the Blue Mountains. The flashes of
35:15
Speaker 17: red across the Greater Sydney area, the South Coast and
35:18
Speaker 17: the Illy Warra just indicating the risk of those heavy
35:21
Speaker 17: falls ahead of a clearing in a westerly on Friday.
35:25
Speaker 17: So there is a change on the way, but still
35:27
Speaker 17: Friday is looking nasty, with a risk of flash flooding
35:30
Speaker 17: across the central Coast, the Blue Mountains, parts of the
35:33
Speaker 17: Illy Warra and then towards the South coast up to
35:36
Speaker 17: one hundred and fifty millimeters in twenty four hours on
35:39
Speaker 17: Friday into the weekend though an end in sight and
35:43
Speaker 17: some very welcome sunshine. The winds are shifting westerly on
35:46
Speaker 17: a Saturday morning and this means dry weather for ongoing
35:50
Speaker 17: recovery efforts, so there is some clear weather on the
35:53
Speaker 17: way across New South Wales.
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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, and of course, sir to those
35:58
Speaker 3: watching in the flood affected.
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Speaker 2: Is look after yourself. We hope you're safe.
36:02
Speaker 3: Coming up after the break, Sophie Elsworth will join us
36:04
Speaker 3: live from the UK to fill us in on one of
36:06
Speaker 3: the great days in Australian sport. Plus, it's a good
36:09
Speaker 3: thing the Victorian government said there'd be no new taxes
36:12
Speaker 3: this budget because there's no deuice left to squeeze out
36:15
Speaker 3: of the orange. Adam Crachton on the high taxing, high
36:18
Speaker 3: spending ridiculousness of the Allen government next. Former RBA Governor
36:25
Speaker 3: Philip Lowe has taken a shot at Labour's super tax,
36:28
Speaker 3: telling the odds that I'm a supporter of good public
36:31
Speaker 3: policy design, but I am not convinced this is an
36:34
Speaker 3: example of it. We should be exploring other ways to
36:37
Speaker 3: adjust the concessional tax rates on high superbalances. With me
36:41
Speaker 3: now to discuss his IPA senior fellow and chief economist
36:44
Speaker 3: Adam Crachton.
36:45
Speaker 2: Adam, I mean, this is a.
36:47
Speaker 3: Pretty extraordinary intervention for Low to come out and say
36:50
Speaker 3: he doesn't support this.
36:53
Speaker 14: Yeah, certainly, that's right, Philip Row.
36:56
Speaker 18: He doesn't often speak out, and he has and he's
36:58
Speaker 18: probably scratching his head like most economists are.
37:01
Speaker 2: This.
37:01
Speaker 18: You know, this bizarre tax on unrealized gains really came
37:04
Speaker 18: out of nowhere.
37:05
Speaker 14: A few years ago.
37:06
Speaker 18: Thankfully it's still not legislated, but it's extremely disappointing.
37:10
Speaker 14: I mean, if the Labor government really.
37:12
Speaker 18: Insists on increasing taxes, there are far more efficient and
37:14
Speaker 18: better ways to do it. Indeed, Ken Henry, in that
37:16
Speaker 18: same article that you just referenced, I mean he said, look,
37:19
Speaker 18: fifteen years ago, I had a recommendation for you, and
37:22
Speaker 18: you completely ignored it.
37:23
Speaker 14: You could have changed the earnings tax arrangement.
37:26
Speaker 18: There would have been a no tax on unrealized capital gains.
37:29
Speaker 18: But the Labor government has just ignored that, and for
37:31
Speaker 18: some strange reason, they insist on this extremely unworkable and
37:36
Speaker 18: complicated and very unfair tax. We could only hope that
37:40
Speaker 18: it falls apart in the Senate. But look, just a
37:42
Speaker 18: more broad point here in Australia. You know, we're having
37:44
Speaker 18: this debate about this tax and it's you know, it's
37:46
Speaker 18: a fair debate. It's a terrible tax. Let's hope it
37:48
Speaker 18: doesn't happen. But the US right now is you know,
37:50
Speaker 18: having a huge debate about all you know, about all
37:52
Speaker 18: their tax rates, about about all their concessions, all their deductions.
37:56
Speaker 14: You know, we need to have a debate like that here.
37:58
Speaker 14: I mean, we've.
37:58
Speaker 18: Ignored the rest of the you know, the rest of
38:00
Speaker 18: the tax system and the election sadly, but it really
38:03
Speaker 18: is crying out for reform.
38:04
Speaker 3: Well you talk about the rest of the tax system.
38:06
Speaker 3: I'll just ask you briefly, because the Productivity Commission this
38:10
Speaker 3: week has gone to consultation on the idea of reducing
38:14
Speaker 3: the corporate tax rate.
38:16
Speaker 2: Is there any merit in that? Do you think?
38:20
Speaker 14: Yeah, certainly there is.
38:21
Speaker 18: I mean, but the main thing is to reduce tax
38:22
Speaker 18: We need to get our spending under control. I mean,
38:24
Speaker 18: that's the reason why this government wants this new tax.
38:26
Speaker 18: They need to raise seven hundred million in the first year.
38:28
Speaker 18: I think something like seven billion dollars a year after
38:31
Speaker 18: ten years from this new tax that we've just been
38:33
Speaker 18: talking about. And that's because of the out of control
38:35
Speaker 18: spending of the NDIS, which is completely out.
38:38
Speaker 14: Of control, seven eight percent growth every year.
38:40
Speaker 2: And it's not just that.
38:41
Speaker 18: There are various government programs that are just growing far
38:44
Speaker 18: too fast, far faster than the population, far faster than inflation,
38:47
Speaker 18: and we need to get them under control before we can,
38:50
Speaker 18: you know, before we can have strong productivity growth in
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Speaker 18: this country. We really are in quite a bad way, sadly.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, and I mean the productivity growth is awful,
38:57
Speaker 3: as you will. No, it's on the slide, unlike the
39:00
Speaker 3: US at the moment. And I think one of the
39:03
Speaker 3: things that we could do to fix that is a
39:05
Speaker 3: bit more competitive federalism. But you know, you start talking
39:08
Speaker 3: about those sorts of things and people get all scared.
39:10
Speaker 3: You know, I've written the advertiser tomorrow. The worst thing
39:14
Speaker 3: that ever happened to John Olson when he was Premier
39:17
Speaker 3: of South Australia was when he did the deal with
39:19
Speaker 3: Motorola to get them to set up shop in Adelaide,
39:22
Speaker 3: and in doing so he promised them a government contract
39:25
Speaker 3: for the emergency services telecommunications. I mean, the only crime
39:30
Speaker 3: he committed as far as I'm concerned, is to get
39:33
Speaker 3: business in his state. But we just don't want to
39:35
Speaker 3: do these things now.
39:36
Speaker 14: The Herald Son had a great art point.
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Speaker 3: The Herald Son had a great article today on the
39:41
Speaker 3: state of Victoria's debt crisis.
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Speaker 2: It included this incredible statistic.
39:46
Speaker 3: The Allen Labor government is set to shake down fifty
39:50
Speaker 3: billion dollars from residents and businesses by twenty thirty, which
39:54
Speaker 3: is a one hundred and seventy three percent increase on
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Speaker 3: what the state was taking before.
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Speaker 2: Daniel Andrews, I mean, for heaven's sake.
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Speaker 14: No, it's just, you know, it really is, you know,
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Speaker 14: is scary.
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Speaker 18: And despite all of that extraordinary growth in taxation, the
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Speaker 18: debt has just grown like topsy.
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Speaker 14: I mean, it's worth just highlighting.
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Speaker 18: In twenty nineteen, just a few short years ago, net
40:15
Speaker 18: debt of Victoria was twenty two billion dollars. It's now
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Speaker 18: one hundred and fifty five billion dollars just a few
40:21
Speaker 18: years later, and it's going to be more than two
40:23
Speaker 18: hundred billion dollars in just.
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Speaker 14: A few years.
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Speaker 18: I mean, that's the most staggering growth in debt of
40:27
Speaker 18: any state in Australian history, and probably have any sub
40:30
Speaker 18: subnational government in the world. Ever, it's it's you know,
40:34
Speaker 18: it's it's just staggering. And actually, you know it's a
40:37
Speaker 18: personal question. I just you know, I just forked out
40:38
Speaker 18: fifty thousand dollars to buy place in Melbourne just for
40:41
Speaker 18: the you know, just you know, just.
40:43
Speaker 14: To buy a home.
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Speaker 18: You've got to you know, you've got to pay tens
40:46
Speaker 18: of thousands of dollars to the state government.
40:48
Speaker 14: I mean, it's you know, it's just absolutely obsane.
40:51
Speaker 3: And the other thing as well, for me, is like
40:54
Speaker 3: do we not care about debt anymore? You know, Victoria
40:58
Speaker 3: is hurtling towards two hundred billion, seems to care, you know,
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Speaker 3: the country's going towards a trillion.
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Speaker 2: No one seems to care. It's just just not an issue.
41:08
Speaker 14: Well, well, it's worth putting it out.
41:10
Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 18: It's an interesting point, and this is in my column
41:11
Speaker 18: tomorrow in The Australian, is that the Victorians maybe they're
41:14
Speaker 18: smarter than we think. Ultimately that state dead is the
41:18
Speaker 18: Commonwealth's responsibilities. I mean, there is no way the Commonwealth
41:21
Speaker 18: would ever let any state to actually default on it's dead.
41:24
Speaker 18: And so I think the people running a Victorian know
41:27
Speaker 18: that that ultimately this is the commonwealths problem. So you know,
41:29
Speaker 18: it's fashionable and fun and I engage in it to
41:31
Speaker 18: make fun of Victorians the voting this government in but
41:35
Speaker 18: ultimately what they're doing is being subsidized by the rest
41:38
Speaker 18: of the country. So you know, it's it's all of
41:41
Speaker 18: our problem, it's your problem too. In South Australia cutup.
41:44
Speaker 3: Yeah, well everyone else has been doing it for a
41:46
Speaker 3: very long time, very quickly. The federal counterpart, of course,
41:49
Speaker 3: the Labor Party, is well behind on their one point
41:51
Speaker 3: two million dollar housing target. Only ninety thousand homes built
41:55
Speaker 3: between July and Desceme the last year. If they want
41:58
Speaker 3: to get one point twenty twenty nine, that's two hundred
42:01
Speaker 3: and forty thousand annually.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's never going to happen.
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Speaker 18: Yeah, well, look I don't like making forecasts, but that's
42:08
Speaker 18: certainly not going to happen. It's already twenty five percent behind,
42:11
Speaker 18: and the IPA has done some research that verifies that
42:14
Speaker 18: story you just talked about.
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Speaker 14: I mean, it's woefully behind.
42:17
Speaker 18: This is just all political rhetoric and you know, it
42:19
Speaker 18: reminds me of New Zealand just across the Tasman when
42:21
Speaker 18: Jacinda Arderne said she'd build one hundred thousand houses and
42:24
Speaker 18: after three years she built about two hundred and forty eight.
42:27
Speaker 18: And this is a problem that you know, governments have
42:30
Speaker 18: all around the world. You know, they make these targets
42:32
Speaker 18: and these promises and they are never fulfilled.
42:34
Speaker 14: It's just about winning elections, sadly.
42:36
Speaker 18: And you know another interesting thing, you know, we have this,
42:38
Speaker 18: you know, always design to build on hundreds of thousands
42:40
Speaker 18: of homes, but we're not importing any tradesmen. You know,
42:43
Speaker 18: we don't have skilled tradesmen coming into the country.
42:46
Speaker 3: And they weren't even they weren't even they weren't even
42:48
Speaker 3: at the top of the list until very recently. The
42:50
Speaker 3: workers that we want from over so great, It's very true.
42:54
Speaker 3: Always thank you mate. After the break one of the
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Speaker 3: great days in the history of Australian soccer or football.
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Speaker 2: I will call it before.
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Speaker 3: I receive any hate mail. Sophie Ilsworth explains why next. Now,
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Speaker 3: I'm not much of a soccer person. I'm far more
43:11
Speaker 3: partial as many of you would know to Ozzie rules
43:13
Speaker 3: go you crows, but even I can admit it has
43:16
Speaker 3: been a huge day for Ossie Sport. With our own
43:18
Speaker 3: ange posta Cooglu becoming the first Australian manager to win
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Speaker 3: a European Cup in soccer.
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Speaker 2: He was the moment Dorry.
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Speaker 1: Dory Tottenham Hotspa.
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Speaker 14: Pasta Cottu post delivered.
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Speaker 10: Has he promised he would?
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Speaker 3: News Corp Europe correspondent Sophie Elsworth joins me. Now, Sophie,
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Speaker 3: you're at Tottenham Hotspurs Stadium right now.
43:42
Speaker 2: How's the mood outside.
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Speaker 6: O Caleb.
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Speaker 19: You can just see the fans. They're walking up and
43:49
Speaker 19: down the streets here. Many are wearing their Tottenham you know,
43:52
Speaker 19: jumpers and hats and they're just over the moon with
43:56
Speaker 19: the result last night. It was absolutely electric here in London.
44:00
Speaker 19: I was at a pub in central London that was
44:02
Speaker 19: jam packed with Tottenham fans just hoping for.
44:05
Speaker 6: This victory, Caleb.
44:07
Speaker 19: They've waited over six thousand days for a piece of silverware.
44:11
Speaker 19: It's been a long time between drinks for the club
44:14
Speaker 19: to come home.
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Speaker 6: With some silverware.
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Speaker 19: And just on the back of the London Sun today
44:18
Speaker 19: I have this great headline saying deliver rou a fantastic
44:22
Speaker 19: headline with ange on the back there.
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Speaker 6: He's really gone, Caleb, from a villain to a hero.
44:28
Speaker 6: A lot of the media have.
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Speaker 19: A combative relationship with him, but he proved them all
44:33
Speaker 19: wrong overnight with taking out this victory against Manchester United
44:37
Speaker 19: in Spain. So this is a very happy moment for
44:40
Speaker 19: Tottenham down here in North London.
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Speaker 3: Well, it seems to have been chronically underestimated, and even
44:45
Speaker 3: as I said before, someone doesn't pay a great deal
44:47
Speaker 3: of attention to soccer as him being an Aussie, I
44:50
Speaker 3: paid some attention to him and he seems to have
44:52
Speaker 3: been underestimated his whole career. But you give him time
44:56
Speaker 3: and he can deliver. But they're still having discussions about
44:59
Speaker 3: whether or not he's likely to stay.
45:01
Speaker 2: On as manager or not. On what more could you
45:03
Speaker 2: possibly do?
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Speaker 19: Well, absolutely, I mean this was such an important moment
45:09
Speaker 19: in his career and he's delivered the goods Caleb So
45:14
Speaker 19: but he's not out of the woods yet because they
45:16
Speaker 19: are seventeenth on the English Premier League ladder.
45:19
Speaker 6: They've got their last.
45:20
Speaker 19: Game here on Sunday against Brighton and there's still questions
45:24
Speaker 19: on whether he can maintain his role at the club
45:28
Speaker 19: because they've had such a disastrous English Premier League season.
45:32
Speaker 19: So while he's had this victory, he's not completely out
45:36
Speaker 19: of the woods.
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Speaker 6: But he was very combative with the media this week.
45:39
Speaker 19: One journalist in one of the papers here basically wrote
45:43
Speaker 19: that he was a clown if he didn't come home
45:45
Speaker 19: with the goods.
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Speaker 6: He's proved them wrong, Caleb.
45:47
Speaker 19: So this is a massive moment for angepostera Cooglu, who
45:51
Speaker 19: as we know, moved.
45:52
Speaker 6: To Australia at age five.
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Speaker 19: Incredible career and at fifty nine to win this trophy
45:58
Speaker 19: is a magnificent result.
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Speaker 1: Yep.
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Speaker 3: And to borrow some lingo from another sport, he's got
46:03
Speaker 3: the runs on the board, so you can't argue with that. Now,
46:06
Speaker 3: let's talk some other UK news. This is very similar
46:08
Speaker 3: to what's happening with energy rebates here in Australia. But
46:11
Speaker 3: so Kir's starmer has reversed his decision to cut millions
46:15
Speaker 3: of pensioners off of the winter fuel payments. What exactly
46:19
Speaker 3: are these winter fuel payments and why didn't he want
46:22
Speaker 3: to give them to pensioners?
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Speaker 19: So, Caleb, they're basically, you know, credits have up to
46:29
Speaker 19: three hundred pounds to pensioners to basically help them cope
46:33
Speaker 19: with the rising cost of electricity over here. And the
46:36
Speaker 19: government's been chewing and growing about this. They said it
46:39
Speaker 19: was going to be means tested. But then we had
46:42
Speaker 19: the UK Council elections which was an absolute horror show
46:46
Speaker 19: for the Conservative Party and the Labor Government, with reform
46:50
Speaker 19: really coming out on top of those council elections, and
46:53
Speaker 19: many said that the scaling back of this winter subsidy
46:57
Speaker 19: payment was the reasoning that he turned away from Labor.
47:01
Speaker 19: So we don't know what the actual U turn exactly is,
47:05
Speaker 19: but this has been very bad for Kirs Starmer and
47:08
Speaker 19: he's had to really turn around and change this because
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Speaker 19: the means testing was met with a lot of disgust
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Speaker 19: from many politicians, including those within his own party, and
47:18
Speaker 19: many pensioners who thought they were eligible that were suddenly
47:22
Speaker 19: not eligible.
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Speaker 3: Just quickly, Sophie, what we're talking about benefits. Eleaked memo
47:27
Speaker 3: showed that the UK Dippity PM Angela Rayner wanted to
47:30
Speaker 3: crack down on immigration and the benefits that immigrants are
47:33
Speaker 3: receiving from the UK government. I mean it goes to show,
47:36
Speaker 3: after of course, what we saw from Suqui last week,
47:39
Speaker 3: the Labor Party is really spooked by reform at the moment.
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Speaker 19: Absolutely, Caleb, they are absolutely spooked. As I've said many
47:48
Speaker 19: times on sky Reform UK leader Nigel Farage has all
47:53
Speaker 19: the momentum and migration is a hot issue.
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Speaker 6: We do have new figures out today.
47:57
Speaker 19: I have net migration which showed it has halved in
48:00
Speaker 19: the last year. So that is one positive for the
48:03
Speaker 19: Labor government, but still a very long way to go
48:06
Speaker 19: on this Caleb, and a hot issue that keeps making
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Speaker 19: headlines here in the UK day in, day out.
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Speaker 3: Indeed, so feels worth thank you so much for your time. Now,
48:15
Speaker 3: how Australian is this? A bloke finishing up in the
48:18
Speaker 3: WA Parliament yesterday gave his valedictory speech and.
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Speaker 2: Then he did this. He did a shoey.
48:24
Speaker 3: We've got the photo here for you, right, you pour
48:26
Speaker 3: a drink in the shoe and drink it out of
48:29
Speaker 3: the shoe. And he did that on the floor of
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Speaker 3: parliament in Western Australia. And he looks like a Rossi
48:36
Speaker 3: bloke too. And I'll tell you someone who I've seen
48:38
Speaker 3: do a shoey a few times. He may even do
48:41
Speaker 3: one for you tonight if you're lucky. That's Paul Murray here.
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Speaker 14: He is