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NSW Police: The Villian and The Hero. One Taser's an Old Lady the other Saved Lives. · The Slippery Slope

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  Hi, I'm Jay Fallon. Thank you for listening to The
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  Slippery Slope. So there's a couple of stories
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  that came out this week or the last seven days relating to
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  police in specifically in NSW. Obviously we had the outcome for
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  police officer Christian White, the champion who decided, hey,
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  let's go on Taser, a great grandmother, a 95 year old woman
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  and and then surprised when things didn't turn out that
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  well, had a bit of a brain malfunction.
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  I'm, I'm assuming at 3:00 AM in the morning and just said bugger
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  it, bang, pulls the Taser out. She falls back, cracks her head,
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  not to make light of the situation, but yeah, falls back,
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  cracks the head, gets a, a bleed on the brain apparently and
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  passes away from these injuries all 'cause because he just had
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  an absolute brain malfunction. I'm assuming I, I don't know how
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  else to explain it because there is nothing in police protocol
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  which would suggest that you should be doing what he's what
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  he has done absolutely nothing. So I just want to go through
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  this quickly. And then there's another story
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  that came out again in NSW And now maybe I'm just a little
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  cynical. I have been called cynical at
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  times. But I read this other story.
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  I thought, oh, I wonder whether this is just NSW governments and
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  NSW police trying to put out a bit of a feel good story.
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  So how you look, look at this, we have a hero cop.
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  So we might have some absolute numbskulls getting around, you
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  know, nitwits, but we've got a hero cop Remember this follow.
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  Anyway, we'll talk about this story later.
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  I'm going to bring up, First off, just go through the stuff
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  that's happened with Omar, NSW Police officer Christian White.
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  The court has found Claire Nellen died as a result of the
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  actions of a police officer. This should never have happened.
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  The officer's employment is currently under review and that
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  process is underway. His employment, in terms of his
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  ongoing employment is also subject to a legal process and
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  that will follow and I expect to consider that matter next week.
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  OK, there we have police commissioner, NSW Police
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  Commissioner, I think her name is web, isn't it?
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  She's, she's a weak and feckless leader.
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  Just my opinion, OK, Don't just I don't think she's a great
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  leader at all. She, she is underperformed
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  consistently. Anyway, that's what happened.
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  So in the meantime, so basically you know what happened?
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  The Australian police officer was found guilty of killing the
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  95 year old woman. So he's been sacked.
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  Christian White So he had been suspended from the force without
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  pay until he was found guilty of manslaughter last week.
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  And then what's happened? So NSW Police Commissioner Karen
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  Webb confirmed on Tuesday that Monaro Police District officer
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  Christian James Samuel White had been sacked by the state force.
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  I've determined that I do not have confidence in the officer's
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  suitability to continue as a police officer, she said in a
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  statement. I've spoken with the family of
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  the 95 year old victim involved in this matter and advised them
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  of my decision. So the decision by NSW Police
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  Police's most senior commander comes five days after a jury
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  found that a White was guilty of manslaughter after 20 hours of
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  deliberation. And then it goes on.
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  The story continues on with all the other stuff that happened.
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  Obviously we know, you know, she had the Walker, she could barely
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  move. She stood up.
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  She had a steak knife in the hand as well, moving around with
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  the Walker. Basically he stood there talking
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  to her for a couple of minutes. There was another office, a
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  senior officer who was in the room who attempt apparently she
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  attempted to grab the knife, made a bit of a meal out of it,
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  just completely stuffed the whole operation up.
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  And then White felt the need to Taser her.
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  Absolutely no idea why you would do that.
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  Like I said, a bit of a brain malfunction, maybe something to
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  do with being called out at two 3:00 AM in the morning.
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  I mean just being tired and thinking, well, stuff this.
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  I want to get and go home anyway.
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  Who knows why he did it, but it all went pear shaped.
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  The worst outcome possible for obviously Claire Nolan and her
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  family. Claire, Nell and Nolan, how you
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  pronounce the name Anyway, so he was found guilty.
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  Unfortunately for him, he is going to end up having to, he's
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  going to end up having to spend some time in the big house.
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  So let's see how that goes for him.
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  But found guilty and I don't think there's any way around him
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  being found guilty. There's nothing else you could
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  do. You look at all the facts, You
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  know, the, the case that he was trying, him and his defence team
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  were trying to put forward, it just seemed weak.
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  There's there was nothing to, I don't know how you could defend,
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  you know, with a serious face, how you could really defend his
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  actions. And then the things that he was
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  putting out there in his defence really made no sense, absolutely
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  no sense. Anyway, so we had that story
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  come out and I was thinking, oh, OK, yeah, a bit of a bad news.
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  And then this next story came out.
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  I was reading this and I thought, well, isn't it funny?
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  Isn't it funny? NSW Police have had a lot of bad
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  stories just in the last couple of months.
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  Obviously they had this fan, this fellow tasering the old
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  lady. They had another story coming
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  out about some about supposed racial racist issues within the
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  force house apparently rife within NSW police force racism,
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  I think sexism as well. There are a couple of the
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  articles going on about that. But then we have this story come
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  out about the Lint siege hero cop.
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  If you remember the Lint siege happened or was it almost 10
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  years ago? Anyway, I'll bring up the story.
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  We can we can read it together and I but I just thought I'm a
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  little bit cynical as I said, but so well, I wonder what the
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  reason is why also this story is coming out so unmasked.
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  Lint Siege hero cop wins battle to reveal his identity came out
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  in the Korean male. So the hero of the Lint Cafe
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  Siege who shot dead man Manas has finally been unmasked after
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  a frustrating and emotionally devastating 9 year battle to
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  have his identity restored. So Ben Bezant told the Sunday
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  The Saturday Telegraph Can I read, can I read?
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  I don't know. The Saturday Telegraph after his
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  monumental NSW Supreme Court battle victory on Friday
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  afternoon, that finally today was a good day.
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  I have not only been given my name back, but my dignity and my
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  high purpose in life, the former NSW Police Tactical Operations
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  Unit officer said. This is a victory not just for
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  me but for our first responders and military personnel.
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  It means we can have a real discussion about PTSD and what
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  has to be done to keep first responders well and in work.
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  There he is here. The police officer in question?
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  Ben Bezant. OK, so Mr Bazan's legal fight,
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  backed by the Seven Network Spotlight programme, came to an
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  end on Friday afternoon when the NSW Coroner lifted the
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  suspension order which had prevented him from ever telling
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  his story without the pseudonym Officer A.
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  The order was made at the time to protect him but over the
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  years became a shackle, further exacerbating the PTSD that cost
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  him his career, his marriage and his home.
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  In 2022, Mr Bazant gave heartbreaking detail of the
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  memories that haunted him, including the visions of Sydney
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  barrister Katrina Dawson dying in his arms.
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  She was looking into his eyes. Her eyes were blue, just like
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  his children's. She was killed by police bullet
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  fragments after officers stormed the building.
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  Monas, who also killed who was also killed when Mr Bazant and
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  the Alpha team broke through the front entrance of the cafe at
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  2:13 AM on December 16, 2014 after Monas, armed with a pump
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  action shotgun in the threat of a backpack bomb, shot dead cafe
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  manager Tori Johnson. Bazant told The Sydney Telegraph
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  earlier this year that he wanted to tell his whole story, the 17
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  hours of horror, what happened to him in the years following
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  and what still haunts him to this day.
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  Most importantly, he wanted to be able to look other first
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  responders crippled with PTSD right in the eye and let them
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  hear and see for themselves that there is a way forward here
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  here. I think I completely agree with
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  the whole PTSD. There's not enough spoken about
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  it with first responders. And you know, I remember when,
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  back when at extreme early parts, when I was in the Academy
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  and they, they talked about, they, they taught us about
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  compartmentalization, which now I realise is the biggest load of
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  crap ever. You cannot compartmentalise
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  these things. I remember our Sergeant telling
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  us, Yep, this is what you do. You go to all these things, all
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  these jobs, you see all this extremely confronting situations
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  and how do you not let that bleed into your personal life
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  while you compartmentalise it? You know, you treat your mind
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  like it's different compartments, different little
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  files, and you just file it away in this area and you, you know,
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  compartmentalise this. And then when you're home with
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  your family, that's this part of your brain and it doesn't work.
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  I know it doesn't work because I suffered from BDSD.
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  Not anyway. And it doesn't work.
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  What happens? You, you, you're asleep at night
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  and you, you wonder why. You wonder why you have the same
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  reoccurring dream about dead bodies or dead, whatever
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  situation, whatever horror, horrific situation you're trying
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  to suppress. Compartmentalization doesn't
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  work. But they still teach it in the
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  military, I believe. I think they still don't.
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  I don't know if they still teach it in at QPS.
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  It's to me, stupid. So yeah, good on him.
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  I'm great that I'm grateful. I think it's a good thing that
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  he can stand up, that he wants to stand up there and talk about
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  PTSD and how it's affected him and he is a hero police officer
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  I think. But am I just being a little
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  cynical where I wonder who was behind the scenes from NSW
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  government, from NSW Police Force, maybe having a little
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  chat to the coroner saying hey, NSW government, NSW Police, we
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  need a feel good story. We need to remind the public of
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  the good that NSW Police do because we've had way too many
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  stories showing how useless some of the officers are or how bad,
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  how just absolutely bad. You know, we want to, we want to
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  deflect from the racism accusations that are going on.
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  We want to we want to deflect from Adrian White.
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  Adrian White and he's, you know, I'll just bugger it tasering
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  killing a 95 year old. We want to we want to deflect
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  from all that. We need a feel good story.
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  We need to remind, we need to remind the public that you know,
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  when the siege went on almost 10 years ago, that our hero police
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  went in and saved the day. So how about we put this follow
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  back in the news. He all follows been fighting for
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  this for years and now he gets to tell his story properly.
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  So good on him for what he's trying to do.
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  I just I'm a little cynical. I just wonder whether there's
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  someone in the government, NSW government behind the scenes
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  pulling the strings, saying hey, we need to feel good story.
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  We need to remind people of how good the police are, how good
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  they can be, how we do actually need them.
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  And we we need to put them back in the spotlight in a good
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  spotlight for once. I don't know, am I just being a
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  little cynical or, you know, Hi, that's just my opinion.
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  OK. Let me know what you think about
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  the, the manslaughter charge with, with the great grandmother
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  tasering. What amount of time do you think
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  is reasonable for this officer to spend in gaol?
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  I'm a little torn, a little torn about how long he should be
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  spending in gaol. Obviously he can't spend any
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  time in general population. He'll just be killed by other
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  cell or by other inmates. But let me know how long you
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  think what would be a reasonable amount of time to serve or his,
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  you know, absolutely stupid reaction, his stupid actions
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  that's resulted in the ending of this 95 year old's life.
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  And let me know what you think about the the lint siege hero
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  cop story about the sudden unmasking.
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  I think it's a good thing. I am just very cynical and I
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  think there's people behind the scenes who push this story
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  because they want a good news story to come out.
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  Anyway, that's just my opinion. Let me know what you think.
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  I'm Jay Fallon. Thanks for listening to the
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