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Tim Ross joins Loren LoRosa & A Former Miss Delaware, Noa Mills in convo about church hurt! · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: It's Lauren and Rosa and this is the latest with
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  Speaker 1: things pop culture, entertainment, news and all of the conversations
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  Speaker 1: that are shaking the room. Now today you guys will
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  Speaker 1: be joining me in conversation that not only shakes the room,
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  Speaker 1: but it is shaken the churches, the houses, and all
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  Speaker 1: of the places because church yard is a real thing.
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  Speaker 1: The belief that we can just pray something away, whether
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  Speaker 1: it's mental health or you know, trauma and things that
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  Speaker 1: we experience, those are real things and people are beginning
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  Speaker 1: to talk about it. So I had the pleasure of
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  Speaker 1: sitting down with Tim Rawls, who is a best selling
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  Speaker 1: author and host of the popular podcast The Basement and
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  Speaker 1: Wide Open from Inglewood, California. A lot of you guys
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  Speaker 1: have probably seen his clips heard his voice before because
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  Speaker 1: he gets the people going. So along with so Timbross
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  Speaker 1: along with Noah Mills, former Miss Delaware, USA twenty twenty three,
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  Speaker 1: who is a huge mental health advocate and helps to
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  Speaker 1: bring you know, mental health practices and different purpose into
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  Speaker 1: corporate structures. Those two together sat down. We had a
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  Speaker 1: conversation shout out to Seaz the Greatness which is my
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  Speaker 1: church home. And it was a very honest conversation too,
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  Speaker 1: about what that really looks like when you put mental
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  Speaker 1: health practices and you just start saying the word the
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  Speaker 1: words I need help inside of church, especially in churches
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  Speaker 1: where you know, people just don't think therapy or even
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  Speaker 1: needing help is a thing because God in prayer cures
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  Speaker 1: it all. Let's get on into the conversation. Let me
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  Speaker 1: know what you guys think about this. I'm Loyland Rosa
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  Speaker 1: everywhere I want to hear from you. Let's get on
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  Speaker 1: into it.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody, how you doing.
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  Speaker 4: Well.
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  Speaker 1: I've never been up here this part of church on
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  Speaker 1: the stage, so this is a little different. But I'm
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  Speaker 1: excited for this conversation today, so I'm going to hop
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  Speaker 1: right on into it. Y'all feeling well?
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  Speaker 2: Morn has been great.
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  Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about church. When
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  Speaker 1: I got the just the theme and kind of the
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  Speaker 1: background of.
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  Speaker 2: This pandel that was the first thing I thought of.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of conversation happening right now because people
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  Speaker 1: are able to talk about it more about when people
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  Speaker 1: are disappointed by the church or people in the church,
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  Speaker 1: and how that turns it away from the church. And
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  Speaker 1: that makes me think about mental health because people probably
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  Speaker 1: don't process it this way, but you're dealing with something
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  Speaker 1: mentally that you know turns your way.
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  Speaker 3: So, Tim, I'm want to ask.
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  Speaker 2: You, as a you know, a leader of the church, and.
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  Speaker 1: You know you have your platform or your podcast, when
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  Speaker 1: you hear about church or and you're speaking to people
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  Speaker 1: who are going through that, how do you make them
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  Speaker 1: understand that it is a person in a place and
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  Speaker 1: not something that you should carry every.
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  Speaker 4: Single church did you go through So when somebody first
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  Speaker 4: tells me about their church hurt, and if their reaction
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  Speaker 4: is to the extreme like I never want to go
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  Speaker 4: to church again, or see this is why I don't
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  Speaker 4: go to church, my retort is always, have you ever.
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  Speaker 3: Got food poisoning.
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  Speaker 4: You? Did you start eating at restaurants? Did you just
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  Speaker 4: become a meal prepper and just stay home and just
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  Speaker 4: I only eat my own rockey? Down for the speak,
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  Speaker 4: mister Childs made me throw up, right.
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  Speaker 2: So.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not dismissing the hurt, but we have conflated. What
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  Speaker 4: has happened to spiritual leaders with God? And what it
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  Speaker 4: lets me know is that you made an idol out
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  Speaker 4: of your leader. If your faith in God has been
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  Speaker 4: compromised by the person that you were following, then you
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  Speaker 4: were You weren't following them as they following Christ. You
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  Speaker 4: were following them and you deified them. And to deify
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  Speaker 4: we talk about dehumanized dehumanization. We always talk about the
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  Speaker 4: degradation of an individual. But to degrade or deify is
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  Speaker 4: to dehumanize. To make somebody sub or to make somebody
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  Speaker 4: more than.
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  Speaker 3: Is to dehumanize either.
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  Speaker 4: Way, And so we have to calibrate the fact that
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  Speaker 4: these are human beings that we hope have their own
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  Speaker 4: connection with God and their private life, and if we've
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  Speaker 4: been hurt by that person, we are dealing with a
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  Speaker 4: mental health a mental health aspect which is grief, and
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  Speaker 4: we have to go through all stages of that grief,
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  Speaker 4: not just the disappointment and maybe the depression that comes
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  Speaker 4: with that, but also the sadness and the anger processing
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  Speaker 4: like I can't believe you did this to me. And
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  Speaker 4: a lot of people in church feel like they cannot
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  Speaker 4: express anger towards the person that has fallen because we're
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  Speaker 4: quick to rush people to forgiveness, not knowing that in
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  Speaker 4: the process to forgive is to experience.
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  Speaker 3: Other emotions that come with it.
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  Speaker 4: So I have spiritual leaders that have disappointed me, and
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  Speaker 4: it's been so crushing to hear some of the stuff
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  Speaker 4: that they've gotten into or that has been exposed, and
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  Speaker 4: I want.
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  Speaker 2: To punch them in the net.
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  Speaker 3: That's how I feel.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not going to do it, but the throat chot
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  Speaker 4: is enticing because I'm like, how had you given us
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  Speaker 4: this Bible every weekend but it wasn't.
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  Speaker 3: Being received by you? Or when did you stop eating
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  Speaker 3: your own food that you was cooking for everybody else?
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  Speaker 4: So it's a process and people need safe spaces to
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  Speaker 4: be able to process their emotions.
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  Speaker 3: So that would be my answer.
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  Speaker 1: Thinking on the other side of that, right, because you
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  Speaker 1: you've been a pastor before, you know you're leading so
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  Speaker 1: many different things speaking to the leaders in the church.
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  Speaker 1: How do you handle being a person that disappoints someone
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  Speaker 1: in the church.
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  Speaker 2: What's your mental on that side of it? How do
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  Speaker 2: you get through that and how do you heal that.
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  Speaker 1: For that person and often for yourself that you're able
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  Speaker 1: to continue to lead.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so anytime I have disappointed my congregation, which I
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  Speaker 4: can give you a for instance, in twenty nineteen, that
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  Speaker 4: was like the worst year of me being a pastor. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: it was my fourth year pastor and eight people that
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  Speaker 4: I loved that year died five or very close. Three
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  Speaker 4: I had to eulogize. The youngest was a fifteen year
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  Speaker 4: old girl of my friends.
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  Speaker 3: Their daughter died of a brain tumor, and the church
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  Speaker 3: had double I was sad.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not normally a very sad person, but that year
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  Speaker 4: took its toll. And I'm not an exploder. I'm an imploder,
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  Speaker 4: So I'm not gonna like loop. I'm not gonna crash out.
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna crash in. And the way my crash in looked,
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  Speaker 4: don't judge me.
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  Speaker 3: I wanted.
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  Speaker 4: I wanted like words in our fouryer, like for the church,
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  Speaker 4: and like just the culture code of everything that we
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  Speaker 4: did in the church like And I had asked our
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  Speaker 4: team to do it for two years it had done it.
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  Speaker 4: So my implosion looked like on a Saturday night, going
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  Speaker 4: to home depot, grabbing six kids of spray paint and
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  Speaker 4: stray painting all the words that I ever wanted on
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  Speaker 4: the church walls.
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  Speaker 3: By myself, by myself, unbeknownst to anybody else.
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  Speaker 4: And I had a guest speaker the next day, and
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  Speaker 4: I didn't go to church that day.
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  Speaker 3: I went to somebody else's church. Oh great about the idea.
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  Speaker 4: I felt great. I felt great. A third of the
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  Speaker 4: church thought it was like the dopestting, like, oh my godness,
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  Speaker 4: look at all this. Two thirds of the church was like,
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  Speaker 4: including my staff, was like, somebody vandalized our buildings. And
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  Speaker 4: I was like, with our culture, like, this is a
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  Speaker 4: dope vandal right, and it's me. And so Juliette was
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  Speaker 4: pissed and the elders were angry, and I was like,
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  Speaker 4: I don't see the big deal.
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  Speaker 2: And then I had my devotion.
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  Speaker 3: On Monday, and I just happened to.
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  Speaker 4: Be reading the Exodus about the way that he wanted
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  Speaker 4: the Tabernacle to be built, and it said according to
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  Speaker 4: my pattern. And the Holy Spirit said, Tim, what you
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  Speaker 4: did to my house. So as soon as he like
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  Speaker 4: differentiated whose house it was, I.
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  Speaker 2: Was like, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 3: He was like, what you did to my house is
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  Speaker 3: not according to my path. Next weekend was communion Sunday, so.
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  Speaker 4: I had to get up in front of all three
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  Speaker 4: services and apologize and repent for what I had done.
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  Speaker 4: Now and I had to just repent and shut up,
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  Speaker 4: and I started talking about you know what happened, Saint.
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  Speaker 5: I just felt depreshed. And I haven't asking for these
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  Speaker 5: for these words for two years. And my staff, no, no,
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  Speaker 5: leaders have to take ownership for what they've done.
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  Speaker 4: In the same way that we make alter calls for
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  Speaker 4: everybody else to come forward, there has to be room
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  Speaker 4: at the alter for ourselves as well. And if the
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  Speaker 4: congregation can come to the altar, leaders need to be
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  Speaker 4: able to step off the.
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  Speaker 3: Platform and come to the altar as well.
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  Speaker 4: The moment we make it for them and not us,
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  Speaker 4: as the moment we wind up being duplicitous. And that's
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  Speaker 4: what leads us to living double lives. I gave my
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  Speaker 4: life to Jesus January fourteenth of nineteen ninety six. I
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  Speaker 4: preached my first sermon February twenty fifth of nineteen ninety six.
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  Speaker 4: I did not want to do that, and then I
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  Speaker 4: kept being invited to speak. And it's been that way
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  Speaker 4: for twenty nine and a half years. So as private
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  Speaker 4: as I am and like to be, my life is
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  Speaker 4: very public. So how does one calibrate not only when okay,
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  Speaker 4: you're on the major platforms, but also you don't even
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  Speaker 4: want to be there. You would rather not be known, right,
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  Speaker 4: And so my dream was to be like the Christian
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  Speaker 4: version of Clarence Avon. I just wanted to be the
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  Speaker 4: shadowhand behind like all the preachers. And the Lord's like, no,
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  Speaker 4: I need you to be on the platforms, and I'm like, ah.
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  Speaker 4: So the way that I handle and mitigate all the
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  Speaker 4: things is at number one, I don't have any social media.
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  Speaker 4: I always had a love hate relationship on it. I
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  Speaker 4: was on it, I was off it.
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  Speaker 2: I hate it.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm off of it, and so I don't know
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  Speaker 3: what's going.
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  Speaker 4: On in too, like meet somebody or talk to somebody,
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  Speaker 4: which is like very nineties.
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  Speaker 3: Like I have no idea what's going on until somebody
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  Speaker 3: tells them.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like what.
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  Speaker 4: I see my friend's kids and I never see them
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  Speaker 4: on social media, so I don't get to see them
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  Speaker 4: like grow up on social media.
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  Speaker 3: I see them, I'm like, oh my god, I bro,
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  Speaker 3: it's very nineties.
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  Speaker 2: I love it.
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  Speaker 3: I have my time with the Lord every single morning, and.
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  Speaker 4: I really have not forgotten January fourteenth to ninety six, Like,
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  Speaker 4: I'm legitimately not over the day that I gave my
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  Speaker 4: life to Jesus. So all of this is cool, But
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  Speaker 4: if this was the last platform I was ever on,
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  Speaker 4: I'm gucci, I ever needs to be nowhere. Everything besides
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  Speaker 4: January fourteenth, nineteen ninety six has been a.
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  Speaker 3: Nice little bonus. It has not been a requirement.
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  Speaker 4: He's really been good to me, and I'm very grateful
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  Speaker 4: in his faithfulness in my life.
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  Speaker 2: And so that's my answer. That a final question.
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  Speaker 1: And both of you guys answered this, But them you said,
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  Speaker 1: you know, God doesn't give you like an intro meeting
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  Speaker 1: before he's like, hey, this is what I want you
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  Speaker 1: to do.
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  Speaker 2: Can you talk a bit about when you guys, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I don't even.
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  Speaker 1: Know if you feel your purpose or you're just in
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  Speaker 1: the moment and it's like, ooh, I think that this
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  Speaker 1: is thing.
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  Speaker 2: When that hits, that's you.
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  Speaker 1: Feel good, and there's kind of almost like a I
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  Speaker 1: feel complete feeling. But sometimes there are often feelings of
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  Speaker 1: like am I doing enough? Am I doing it right?
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  Speaker 1: Am I impacting people?
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? And there's a mental weight
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  Speaker 2: that that comes with.
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  Speaker 1: Can you talk about that as well, because I think
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  Speaker 1: in church you hear a lot about faith and purpose
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  Speaker 1: and you know, alignment, but people don't talk about the
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  Speaker 1: heaviness of alignment and purpose and you know, walking.
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  Speaker 2: With her path. Yeah, so.
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  Speaker 4: This season, the last three years of my life have
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  Speaker 4: been like all together, like beautiful and really frustrated.
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  Speaker 2: Right. So, like.
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  Speaker 4: Three and a half years ago, I was known in
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  Speaker 4: some like Christian circles and I had like thirty two
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  Speaker 4: thousand followers on Instagram, and I was like, that's a
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  Speaker 4: small city.
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  Speaker 2: That's amazing.
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  Speaker 4: I'm hyped, right, And then three and a half years later,
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  Speaker 4: it's like are you a dude with the yellow glasses?
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  Speaker 4: And I'm stopped in the airports in different countries and
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  Speaker 4: I'm like you watch you.
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  Speaker 2: Too, like you got over here.
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  Speaker 4: And so.
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  Speaker 3: That's still weird to me.
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  Speaker 4: And because I lived in the Bible Belt and everything,
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  Speaker 4: all of the ministry that grew was in the Bible Belt,
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  Speaker 4: I felt this heaviness that I just got to break
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  Speaker 4: through one last week in New York City, Like this
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  Speaker 4: is brand new, Okay, So y'all last week when I
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  Speaker 4: was in New York City, right, I was preaching at
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  Speaker 4: this church, my.
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  Speaker 3: Own business right.
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  Speaker 2: And so what happened was.
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  Speaker 4: After I was preaching, I was talking to two people
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  Speaker 4: that lived in New York and they were like, we
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  Speaker 4: might want to do a show with you, and I
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  Speaker 4: was like.
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  Speaker 3: That sounds scary. So they were like, you have no
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  Speaker 3: idea how effective.
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  Speaker 4: You are and how many people that are unbelievers listen
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  Speaker 4: to you.
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  Speaker 3: And one of the dudes started.
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  Speaker 4: Crying and he was like like, we need you here,
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  Speaker 4: and I was like, Joe, I think wait a minute.
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  Speaker 4: Like it was like they were telling me how effective
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  Speaker 4: I have been, and I was like, I haven't felt
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  Speaker 4: like that because I've been fighting.
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  Speaker 2: With people.
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  Speaker 6: And trying to convince people that don't understand my assignment
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  Speaker 6: and don't want to know my assignment that this is
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  Speaker 6: my assignment.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And then I was.
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  Speaker 6: Like, wait a minute, I've been trying to convince the
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  Speaker 6: wrong people in the wrong region. Like I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 6: of course in the Bible Belt, you mad that I
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  Speaker 6: cult because.
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  Speaker 3: You're in the Bible Belt. But New York don't care.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, California don't care, Chicago don't care, port stars don't care,
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  Speaker 6: entertainers don't care, NBA players don't care.
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  Speaker 2: All these different people don't care. So that good old
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  Speaker 2: cal Dan.
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  Speaker 6: Tom doesn't belong to Texas.
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  Speaker 3: And I have been fighting this fight for the last three.
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  Speaker 2: Years with people that are already saying, I'm.
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  Speaker 3: Like, why do you even care?
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  Speaker 4: You're already going to heaven.
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  Speaker 3: I'm trying to get your brandchild who don't listen to
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  Speaker 3: your sermons, but they listen to my clips.
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  Speaker 2: So I got free last week. Good feelings. It feels good.
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  Speaker 3: It feels good.
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  Speaker 6: But I have to acknowledge that for twenty seven years
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  Speaker 6: I was serving in the church, so I really wanted
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  Speaker 6: church people to get my assignment me and then I
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  Speaker 6: was and now now I should have known because Pj's
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  Speaker 6: my mentor.
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  Speaker 3: That's why I'm here.
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  Speaker 6: PJ, I've been at Seeds. I am proud to say
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  Speaker 6: I've been at Seeds for twenty four twenty five of
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  Speaker 6: these years ago, you know what I'm saying. And PJ
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  Speaker 6: didn't bring me in when I was a preacher. He
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  Speaker 6: brought me in when I was doing stand up comedy.
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  Speaker 3: He's seen every single version of.
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  Speaker 6: Me and has still supported me and prayed for me
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  Speaker 6: and encouraged me.
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  Speaker 2: To so into me.
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  Speaker 6: So don't nobody say nothing bad about drome with a senior,
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  Speaker 6: and I will dump that off'na be too far.
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  Speaker 2: I love me introverts like you that just sent up
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  Speaker 2: the things going. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: I like to get a cracking and then leaves and
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  Speaker 3: I'm mad.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not bad at that. I let just die. Let
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  Speaker 2: just die. I don't know if you had anything you
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  Speaker 2: wanted to add. No, No you didn't, Yeah you didn't.
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  Speaker 6: That up, lady.
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  Speaker 1: This is a really straightforward question for both of you, guys.
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  Speaker 1: How can churches better partner with programs advocate advocacy organizations,
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  Speaker 1: mental health organizations?
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  Speaker 3: Because this is.
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  Speaker 2: New for a lot of people.
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  Speaker 1: Not all churches are progressive, So how can they better partner?
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  Speaker 2: And how do they start?
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  Speaker 6: Like?
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  Speaker 3: Is it one small step?
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  Speaker 2: Is it? You jump right in? There's a mental health hotline?
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  Speaker 2: Like what should they do? And how should they do it?
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  Speaker 7: I think the beauty of it is that there's no
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  Speaker 7: long way to do it. Sincerely, one of the things
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  Speaker 7: that I really do love about this pretend through their
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  Speaker 7: time in our lives is just that there's so the
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  Speaker 7: conversations is not tabling anymore, Like we could just do
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  Speaker 7: away with that. There's sincerely has just been less and
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  Speaker 7: less less of a stigma associated with the honesty that
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  Speaker 7: people do deal with things in their mind medically, mentally, physically, spiritually, emotionally,
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  Speaker 7: and sincerely. You can put your heads together and a
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  Speaker 7: meeting to set up a production. We can put our
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  Speaker 7: heads together in a meeting to set up a hob
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  Speaker 7: hotline for people to struggle. If the lands together for
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  Speaker 7: everything else about who should tie and who should go wear,
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  Speaker 7: and who should wear what and where suppress that can stand.
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  Speaker 7: We can talk to one another about how we want
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  Speaker 7: to facilitate conversations.
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  Speaker 3: In the church.
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  Speaker 7: We're supposed to be the epicenter for the solutions that
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  Speaker 7: we desire.
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  Speaker 2: They're not supposed to be looking for them or waiting
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  Speaker 2: for Sione to come do it.
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  Speaker 7: If you have questions about something, answer it first, prey
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  Speaker 7: God answer it, and then become that solution. There's a
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  Speaker 7: lot of the things that I think, what is my
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  Speaker 7: personal frustration in the church. It's just that there is
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  Speaker 7: a wait for an outside answer. You don't have to oh,
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  Speaker 7: well so and so every complaint you have is an
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  Speaker 7: action for you to find an answer. If you don't
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  Speaker 7: like something that needs God gave it to you to
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  Speaker 7: go fix, to go find, to go bi solution to
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  Speaker 7: that issue. Every single thing that we have problem with,
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  Speaker 7: we also have the understanding to provide a solution to.
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  Speaker 2: So I think in.
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  Speaker 7: Churches as far as starting, find a faith based PCP
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  Speaker 7: that you can bring it into your church to talk
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  Speaker 7: to your people. Find a faith based therapist that you
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  Speaker 7: can bring it into your church to talk to people.
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  Speaker 7: Have you have a list on your site for everybody's
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  Speaker 7: name and face. Put some therapists that you have in
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  Speaker 7: your church on the website. Put some hotlines on the website.
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  Speaker 7: Figure out how to connect with your community leaders. Your
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  Speaker 7: community leadership know what church you're at, how they need
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  Speaker 7: to connect with you, what they need to be doing,
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  Speaker 7: because teens to be they only know what you tell them.
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  Speaker 7: I can't help you with funding this year where we're
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  Speaker 7: talking about where it needs to go for your members,
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  Speaker 7: for who they need to be connected with it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that there's a problem. So we can sick,
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  Speaker 2: we can communicate, we.
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  Speaker 7: Can, you know, figure out what it is that we
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  Speaker 7: need to do, but also make it our responsibility to
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  Speaker 7: do it.
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  Speaker 3: I just want to I just want to please Papa.
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  Speaker 2: I want to co sign.
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  Speaker 4: When I was a lead pastor, I did a series
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  Speaker 4: on mental health, and we had at the end of
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  Speaker 4: every single service, we had information to two counseling centers
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  Speaker 4: that we knew the owners personally, so and I have
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  Speaker 4: been a client of one of them. So I was
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  Speaker 4: doing out of the twenty nine and a half years
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  Speaker 4: that I've been a believer in Jesus, I've been in
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  Speaker 4: therapy for twenty seven It's.
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  Speaker 3: The reason why I haven't shot nobody.
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  Speaker 4: The reason why I'm telling you, it's the reason why
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  Speaker 4: I haven't gone off with nobody.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. It's the reason why I haven't.
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  Speaker 4: Turned full Cat Williams on the Church. I'm being real serious.
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  Speaker 4: If I ever win Cat Williams of the Church, I'll
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  Speaker 4: scorch you. They would have to.
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  Speaker 3: They wouldn't have service tomorrow if I went off.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Laurna Rosa. This is the latest with Laura Rosa.
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  Speaker 1: At the end of the day, I tell you, guys,
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  Speaker 1: every episode my Lowriders, y'all could be anywhere with anybody
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  Speaker 1: having a conversation about this, but y'all choose to be
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