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Ep. 26 Better Gas Mileage and Instant Starts? Here's How · Jeep Talk Show

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Excuse me
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Tell me
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Isyon
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No
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ISY
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Gches
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Greetings and salutations!
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I'm Tony, motoroy on XJTalk.com, and this
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is the show about Jeep Cherokees.
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Jeep Cherokee XJTalk.com Show!
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I think this is episode 26.
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You know, I need to look this stuff up.
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Uh... yes.
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I am correct, sir!
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Episode 26.
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We're going to talk about
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your idle air controller and you.
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Exciting stuff.
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We're talking about it because I just
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recently messed with mine and had some
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interesting results.
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The results were good and
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then they weren't as good.
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Still good, just not as good.
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Anyway, we'll get to that and hopefully
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your calls in just a moment.
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XJTalk.com
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It's where you go
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when you're not off road.
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Well first off, what I'd like to do is
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recognize the three
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people that we have in our chat
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room that's listening to the live show,
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watching the static banner on Ustream.
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It's Dalton 4x4, VW Fool Y, and Weldman.
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Welcome guys.
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Thanks for joining and
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thanks for being here on time.
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I try to do the same.
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By the way, Weldman, I've been wanting to
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know what is the
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result of your gas mileage
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from using the performance
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distributor FireWire 4.0 kit.
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Weldman didn't know I
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was going to ask him.
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So I don't know if he's going to be in
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the position to answer quickly or not.
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But I'll give him a second to do that.
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Basically, we had a giveaway and we gave
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Weldman one and he
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installed his performance
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distributor 4.0 FireWire kit and he was
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seeing an improvement on his gas mileage.
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At least it looked like it was.
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And he should have had at least one tank
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of gas run through it by now.
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And I'm just kind of curious if the
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mileage in your, how
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many miles you got per tank
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went up, increased.
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Anything noticeable?
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Weldman says, "Yes, I did."
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And he says, "Or am."
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Yeah, I know.
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You haven't taken it
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off, which is a good sign.
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I'm just curious if you
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saw, what were you getting?
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Like 140 miles to a tank?
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Sure, man.
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Give it a call.
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Which one, well, I don't know.
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You surprised me.
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1.
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Skype or the phone number.
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Calling would be better.
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We may have to mess with it.
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I haven't used the phone hookup here for
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a while, so may have to
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adjust levels and stuff.
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So you just have to bear with me.
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Yeah, we're going to talk to Weldman.
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He's going to call in and talk to us
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about his performance FireWire results.
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And then I'm going to talk to you about
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my cleaning of my idle air control.
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I don't really want to call it a sensor
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because I think if I
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understand its function properly,
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it's a little stepper motor that moves a
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piston in and out this
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little area that, oh here
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we go, Skype, I was looking at the phone.
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Alright, so press this little button and
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you can say something.
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I don't know if you can
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hear me, can you hear me okay?
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Yes.
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Oh excellent.
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Yep, I can hear you.
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There's a lot of buzz
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on your signal though.
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Yeah, I gotta turn the volume down on
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the, hold on, I'm just
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gonna close this window.
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Okay.
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Alright, we're good.
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Okay, well still got a buzz going on
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there but maybe we can work through it.
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So anyway, what have you
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found out with the kit?
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Well what I noticed right off the bat was
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right off the throttle acceleration.
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So better throttle response?
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Yeah, definitely, definitely.
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It was like as soon as you hit the gas,
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the truck responds just like that.
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Which is funny because I actually
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downloaded on the way home
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from work today an app for
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my phone, my droid, that's called ULYSSE
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Speed, oh a speedometer.
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And it's got a bunch of different apps
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that are all in one and
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it shows mileage traveled,
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how much you traveled today.
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It's got a compass, it's got a GPS
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location to know how close
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you are to like the different
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satellites, whatever.
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It's got a zero to 60 time, a zero to 100
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time, and a quarter mile time.
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And what I found out today was that my
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quarter mile doing, you
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know, X amount of miles per
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hour, I found it quite interesting as in
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how long it takes you
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to travel a quarter mile.
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I haven't looked into, I want to look
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into finding an
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application for my phone that will
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actually help me figure out gas mileage
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because I also figured
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out today my Speedo is off
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about four to six miles per hour.
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The slower I go, it seems like the closer
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it gets to exactly what the mile per hour
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is actually supposed to be.
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The higher I get, like if I'm doing 40
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miles per hour, I'm actually doing 47.
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So it seems like the higher I get on the
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needle, the more off the speedometer is.
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Yeah, that's typical of different sized
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tires than what is stock
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because the little gear
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in the transfer case is set for, you
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know, certain diameter tires.
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Yeah, I asked a question last week
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regarding that with, you
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know, how much difference it
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makes.
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I mean, does it show that you're going
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slower but you're going
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faster or does it show that
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you're going faster but
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you're actually going slower?
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And what I had understood, I can't
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remember the person that
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responded to me, it wasn't
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you.
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That's why I was going, Tony, read the
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read what I'm writing.
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But the way I took it was that it showed
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that you were going,
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you're actually moving
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slower than what your speedo is saying.
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So if I'm doing 40, I'm
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actually only doing 35.
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And the problem I was having is I'm
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doing, you know, the
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speed limits 40 miles an hour
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for the most part of my drive to work.
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And I'm like bumper to
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bumper with a guy in front of me.
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And I'm like, Jesus, man, that speed
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limit is 40 miles an hour.
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Let's go.
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But my speedo is
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showing like 35 miles an hour.
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Well if I understand it correctly and I
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get it confused as well
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as getting left and right
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confused.
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So the tire, yeah, the
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tire is bigger around.
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So for it to make one complete
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revolution, you're actually traveling
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further with a larger
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tire.
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Right.
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So if you don't change the gear in the
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transfer case, which I
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highly recommend that you do
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because it's only like 25 bucks and it's
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a five minute thing,
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one bolt and the little
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bracket comes off there and you pull the
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thing out of the
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transfer case, you pop off the
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gear, pop on the new gear
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and the gear has a shaft on it.
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You pop it, it just pops into place.
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You put it back in, you put that bracket
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on and you have to turn
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it to get it to engage.
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But actually if you just pay attention to
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how you take it out
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is the same way you put
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it back in.
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You know, you drive it five feet or 50
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feet and you can see
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that you're actually getting
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a reading, then the
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gear is meshing properly.
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Right.
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Then you can get back
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underneath there and tighten it up.
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You can do it just by a finger tight to
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start with to test it.
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But anyway, I mean literally five or ten
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minutes and 25 bucks and
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your speedometer will read
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correctly for your size tire.
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Well I'll tell you, this program I
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downloaded for my phone,
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my droid, it actually shows
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your mile per hour via GPS.
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And what I found really interesting is,
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and that's where I,
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okay, the interesting part
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was finding out that at my lower speeds I
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was actually, it was
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actually closer to what
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the mile per hour was that I was
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traveling and at higher
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speeds it was further off.
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And it's pretty close.
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I mean it's like, you know, if I'm doing
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45, the GPS is actually
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saying I'm doing about
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48 to 50 miles per hour.
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So like I said, the higher I get, the
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more off it seems to get.
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Right.
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Well that's very typical.
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And you know, you don't have to change
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the gear and it can
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just stay off if you like
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it.
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I never did care for it way back when I
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first did my first four-wheel drive.
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I didn't care for it because I was a lot
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more concerned about,
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you know, police and
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being pulled over for speeding.
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But to me it's just a no-brainer.
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It's very easy to fix on the Cherokee and
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I would do it immediately.
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But if you want to go by the app, you
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have to remember to
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open the app, you've got to
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remember to run the app, etc., etc.
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Yeah I dock my phone every time I get
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into it because it's
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actually illegal in Wisconsin
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to talk on your cell phone
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while you're driving now.
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Those
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*******
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****.
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Yeah, it's actually a smart move because
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you get so many people
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that are yakking on their
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phone, they don't use their
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*******
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blinkers, which really
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annoys the s*** a lot of me.
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Well using your blinkers
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gives away your strategy.
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Yeah, I guess.
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But with yakking on your phone or texting
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or I had a girl in
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front of me yesterday that
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the light turned green, all the traffic
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in front of her, which
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is about six cars, took
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off and she's still sitting in the same
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spot, like 40 feet from the light.
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And she's got her foot on her brake and I
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can see she's got both
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arms up and she's typing
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and responding to some text
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she got and then blow the horn.
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I've said it before and
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I'll say it again, air horn.
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Yeah, you know what's funny?
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I should actually record the sound of my
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horn on my Jeep because
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I think most of them come
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with dual horns.
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There's actually two
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horns and they're tuned.
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Mine actually sounds
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like a freight train.
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I mean, it's not like, you know,
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abundantly loud, but it
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just the noise it makes it.
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It sounds like a freight train.
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It's weird.
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But anyway, let's get back
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to the gas mileage thing here.
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Yeah.
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How many miles because it doesn't matter
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as far as if you're
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reading accurately or not,
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you were getting 100 and I think 140
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miles and granted the miles were not
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measured accurately.
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But this is just a
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benchmark at this point.
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So nothing's changed as
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far as your gearing goes.
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So it was 140 before.
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What is it now?
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I was getting, I'd run it down to just
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like you said, one of
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the posts you made, I run
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it down to about an eighth of a tank.
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I've never run it empty.
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And I filled this Friday before because I
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took my son to work.
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I filled the Friday
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before I put the kid on.
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I put the kid on on Monday.
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And at the end of the week, just running
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those those five days.
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Now there's two
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additional days involved there.
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By Friday, when I ended up filling again,
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I had 200 and 236 miles on that tank.
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So I'm really interested and actually
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eager to see what I'm
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going to have left on Friday
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of this week with the kid on it.
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And I did the post with the air filter
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and you know, I can't
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remember who it was, but
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I had mentioned that, well, how are you
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going to tell what
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actually made the difference?
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I think it's pretty clear because if just
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opening the air box
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would make that bigger
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difference.
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Well, I don't know.
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I don't know.
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It runs a lot smoother.
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And like I said, the lower end throttle
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response, I haven't posted it yet.
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I should post some pictures.
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I built a four wheel drive mud dragster
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and this is true four
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wheel drive, not a two wheel
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wonder, you know, one front, one rear.
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This was all four lit up.
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I could smoke the tires on
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dry pavement with the same.
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And it was a Ford.
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Thank you very much.
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Big Jim, if you're on here and I ran a
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stock distributor for
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about the first eight races.
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And then my brother said, you know,
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because I was complaining
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about the throttle response
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right off the bat, you know, because I
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wouldn't you stage waiting for the light.
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I would notice that
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there was a hesitation.
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As soon as I hit the throttle, it'd be
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like, oh, it's kind of fall a little bit.
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Like, I call it falling on your face.
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It would fall a little bit and then all
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of a sudden hit and off it went.
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I was running a four hundred big block
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with seven hundred and something.
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CFM carburetor.
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And he's like, why don't you try this?
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And he gave me to just put in it because
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he's a Mustang collector,
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vintage classic Mustangs.
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He gave me a name of that distributor.
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It's not firewire.
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It's something else.
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But anyway, I put that.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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The whole kit, coil distributor.
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Basically what I got from you.
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I put that thing in and I'll tell you
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what, Tony, that thing,
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the low end throttle response
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was just unbelievable.
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It was like three fold.
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Okay.
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Well, let me get you
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back to the Jeep now.
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Okay.
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With the Jeep, you were seeing is 140
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miles per tank correct?
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Yep.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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It was like one forty one.
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Well, let's, okay, let's say one sixty.
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So you were getting 160 miles to the tank
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and the miles were not measured correctly
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because you found out
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that your speedometer is off.
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But it doesn't matter because it's still
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off after the
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performance of the firewire.
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And you were seeing 230 and you only
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drove that five, you only
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have the kit on the five
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days out of the seven
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days that you drove it.
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Correct.
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You filled up and then two days later you
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installed the kit and
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then five days later
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you had 230.
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Well, that's when I got it.
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No, I'm just, I'm just making sure that
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it were clear for
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everybody to understand.
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You saw something, you went up by, what
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is that, 80, 80 miles more on the tank.
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Yeah, that's about 30, about 35 percent.
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Yeah.
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So, and you made no other changes other
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than the performance
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distributor firewire kit and
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opening up and opening up
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the air box a little bit.
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Well, I put a K and N, I got a K and N
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filter in there now.
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So when I did, when I did the K and N, I
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was like, yeah, what the
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hell, you know, I might
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as well open up.
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And, you know, the stock, excuse me, the
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stock air box, the, the
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air opening is like two
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and a quarter inches wide by like, you
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know, three and three quarter tall.
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Right.
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So I was like, hmm.
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You know, went up on a loft and I was
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like, well, when I got
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laying around, so I found
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for a PVC, it's a,
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it's like a floor drain.
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I'm like, I wonder if
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I could make this work.
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So, you know.
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Right.
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Well, so, you know, more air is better,
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but you, you race, so
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you know, it's like over
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putting a too big of a
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carburetor on an engine.
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It doesn't matter.
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You can't put a nine 50 double plumper on
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a small block Chevy unless you, unless it
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is actually going to make use of that
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because of the higher compression.
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It basically, you have to have more
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airflow through there.
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And if the engine's not capable of that,
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the carburetor is being
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underused and actually
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can be a detriment to making power.
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So unless you have a bigger throttle body
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or something
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different in there opening up
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that air box, isn't going to help you
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unless there's a restriction.
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In other words, unless the engine wants
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it, it's not going to make a difference.
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Right.
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Well, as you were saying with the
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carburetor, not the carburetor, the
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carburetor is contributing
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too much.
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It's doing more than what
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the motor, the motor wants.
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Yeah.
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So when you throw, when you throw a, you
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know, a huge carb on a
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small motor, which a lot of
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people do.
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Yeah.
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It's, it's quicker.
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Yeah.
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Cause it's really cool.
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I got, it's really neat to be able to
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say, Hey, I got a Holly
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Doug nine 50 double pumper
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on my three 27.
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Yeah.
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It's like, dude, that's great.
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But might be a little much.
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Yeah.
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Do you put your nose by the tailpipe?
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You're wasting half the fuel that's going
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into that carburetor
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and it's coming out the
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tailpipe.
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That just means it's doing good.
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Cause you're going through a lot of gas.
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Yeah.
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Not, not when you can actually see the,
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not only you can actually
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watch the, the gas gauge
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drop, but, uh, yeah, yeah.
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It all goes hand in hand.
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So all you guys out there that, that, you
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know, are looking at,
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uh, uh, whether you're
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looking to increase fuel economy, uh,
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which is what I wanted to do.
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And you know, Tony obviously, uh, had the
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same intentions with
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his, um, you know, if
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you're a part-time Wheeler or whatever it
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is that you are, um,
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just remember that it,
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both of those go hand in hand.
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So, you know, just putting a K and N
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filter on, yeah, you're
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probably going to see a 2%,
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3% increase in fuel economy.
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But uh, if you're looking to get the high
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numbers for fuel economy, you're, you're,
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you're going to want to
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do a couple of things.
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You know, you're, you're, you're, you
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want better plugs for one.
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And I'll tell you what, and
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I'll switch into champions.
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I, you know, I was a little, little
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apprehensive at first
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going to the champions.
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What were you using before?
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Cause champion is the good auto lights.
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Auto lights.
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But you, but you did use champion and you
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did a, what was it a 0.054?
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0.5.
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Five.
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Yep.
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Oh, five four.
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Yep.
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I kind of fell in between what you said
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you did and what the maximum that the
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manufacturer was suggesting.
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Um, cause you said you didn't have a
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bunch of luck going to the old 65.
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Well, of course the whole reason why I
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had to two kits is because there was
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something up with my aftermarket, um,
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CPS, uh, crank position sensor.
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Right.
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That was, was not liking the, the
21:25
performance, uh, equipment that I was
21:28
putting on there and, and being the good
21:30
guys that performance distributor is,
21:32
they sent me a bunch of additional parts,
21:34
overnighted them so that I could try to
21:36
fix this.
21:37
So I went through a lot of grief trying
21:39
to, trying to fix this, this problem.
21:42
And it was really strange because it ran
21:43
fine with all the old stuff on there.
21:46
So I was taking it off and putting it
21:47
back on, taking it off, put it back on.
21:49
And then I just got
21:50
so frustrated with it.
21:51
One day I just tried putting the original
21:55
factory CPS back on
21:57
it and it cleared right
21:58
up, but even after that, I still had a
22:00
problem running a
22:01
large gap on the champion
22:03
spark plugs.
22:03
And I think I did try something.
22:06
Maybe I went with the 065
22:08
and then it didn't run to my.
22:11
Satisfaction.
22:12
And then I dropped it down to whatever it
22:13
was I had in the post.
22:14
I think you read it.
22:15
You told me, cause I have forgotten what,
22:17
what gap I was using.
22:18
Yeah.
22:19
Well, I think factory
22:20
is a old 34 or something.
22:23
Oh, three, five.
22:24
Okay.
22:25
Yeah.
22:25
I think you, okay.
22:26
That was what you used.
22:27
You, you, you ended up
22:28
going with a 44, I think.
22:31
Yeah, it was probably 45, but, uh, yeah,
22:33
I didn't go, I didn't go as high as you
22:35
did and I certainly didn't do the 65,
22:37
but, uh, it, it ran and
22:39
it seemed to run well.
22:40
Now the thing I noticed no, um, mop or
22:44
gallon increase in my, with my kit.
22:47
Um, I noticed, um, it ran smoother.
22:52
Uh, and also too, I have this, I've had
22:54
this problem since it was brand new.
22:55
When the fuel level gets really low and I
22:58
make a left hand turn, uh, a sharp left
23:02
hand turn, it would sputter and then, you
23:05
know, would pick back up.
23:06
Like whenever the fuel level came back
23:07
over to the pump and it was picking up,
23:09
I guess the fuel pressure was going down.
23:12
Yeah.
23:12
Oh, and I'll say real quick, the, the
23:14
noise that you're hearing when
23:15
Weldman is talking is
23:17
something over on his end.
23:19
So that, that noise that you're hearing,
23:21
yeah, I hear it too.
23:22
And he's aware of it and we apologize for
23:25
the same quality, but, uh, you know,
23:28
don't, it's nothing with
23:29
your equipment or my equipment.
23:30
It's something coming from, from Weldman
23:32
and his information is, is to me is well
23:35
worth hearing even with the buzz.
23:37
Well, I apologize for that.
23:38
No, no, it's okay.
23:39
I just want to make sure people know.
23:40
It kind of gets louder and then quieter.
23:43
Is it, is that correct?
23:44
Oh yeah.
23:45
Yeah.
23:45
It comes and goes.
23:46
Yeah.
23:46
I, I, I'm hearing the same thing.
23:48
I don't know.
23:49
I don't know what the hell it is.
23:50
There's a, there's a guy up the street
23:51
here with a big, uh,
23:52
CB radio with, uh, um,
23:54
running a linear on his base station and
23:58
that guy, he'll talk to my speakers.
24:00
Sometimes.
24:01
Yeah.
24:01
The, uh, you don't have a
24:02
fluorescent light on, do you?
24:04
Nope.
24:05
All that's running is, uh, well, here,
24:07
let me shut my, my, uh,
24:08
monitor off from my surveillance system.
24:10
Nope.
24:11
See, it's kind of seems
24:12
like it got worse now.
24:13
Yeah.
24:13
Well, that's on.
24:14
Now is my PC and, uh, the monitor.
24:16
Well, it's not that big a deal.
24:17
I just want to make sure that people that
24:18
are, that are listening or listening to
24:20
the podcast later or aware that they're
24:22
aware it's not something with their
24:23
equipment, it is coming from, from.
24:25
Okay.
24:26
So that's the only reason
24:27
why I was mentioning it.
24:28
I wasn't trying to pick on you.
24:29
Yeah.
24:29
Kurt Kurt's got equipment.
24:32
I appreciate the
24:34
information and you call it in there.
24:35
So, so this is, this is a big deal.
24:37
Certainly.
24:38
And now I have not used the, the any
24:42
aftermarket, uh, uh,
24:43
breather or anything.
24:44
Cause, uh, I actually, an owner of one of
24:47
the vendors, uh, was telling me, cause I
24:49
was looking at changing out, uh, putting
24:51
in that metal tube and a, one of those
24:54
conical, uh, filters, probably a K and N.
24:57
And he told me that he, he, he tried
24:59
several things and that was one, and
25:01
this is on a Jeep Cherokee and that was
25:03
one of the things,
25:04
absolutely no difference.
25:06
So, so you get better error.
25:08
You might get better, uh, throttle
25:09
response, but it did not,
25:11
it did not improve the, the
25:13
MPG and now we don't know from, from your
25:18
setup because you did two things at once.
25:20
Right.
25:21
So it may, it may have helped, but my
25:24
personal feeling is
25:25
based on the information
25:26
that I've read on, on several posts and
25:28
what I heard firsthand from somebody that
25:30
has put one of those things on a Jeep
25:32
Cherokee and, and tried actually two or
25:35
three of them, because since he's a
25:36
vendor, he has access to the stuff.
25:39
He says it makes no difference and it
25:41
wasn't worth me
25:42
spending my $200 to get one.
25:45
And that actually,
25:45
that was kind of cheap.
25:46
I was looking at a cheap one.
25:48
Those things go up to $300.
25:50
Well, that's kind of odd for a vendor to
25:52
be telling you that.
25:52
Well, I'm not going to
25:53
tell you which vendor.
25:55
Right.
25:56
He was, he was being a
25:57
good guy by letting me know.
25:59
And, uh, I really appreciate that.
26:01
And, uh, uh, now it very well may work
26:05
fine on a different engine.
26:08
It, it really goes back to the same, I
26:10
think the same discussion that we
26:12
were having about the, the carburetor.
26:14
If the carburetor is not going to make
26:16
use of the additional air
26:18
fuel, then it's a waste.
26:21
So if there's not a restriction, uh, for
26:24
the 4.0, then the additional air flow
26:28
is going to be wasted.
26:29
It's not going to, it's not
26:30
going to suck any more air in.
26:32
Now you might get a better throttle
26:33
response and the air filter may be less
26:36
restrictive, uh, et cetera, et cetera.
26:38
I don't know, but I'm based on, I'm just
26:41
saying this because I think that you're
26:43
seeing this big jump in gas mileage
26:46
because of the performance distributor,
26:48
uh, firewire kit, and that I'm very
26:50
enthused by that because I was hoping to
26:53
see a increase for mine and I didn't.
26:56
And I've read, I mean, before I, before I
26:58
spent my $179 on that kid, I did research
27:03
on it, there was no way I wanted to spend
27:05
that much money for something that
27:07
wasn't going to do, do me any good.
27:08
So I read several sources that had
27:11
measured results and saw increases
27:15
like what you're talking about.
27:16
Right.
27:17
Well, the, the, the, the thing is Tony,
27:19
is that if, if you, like you were
27:22
saying with, uh, with the carburetor
27:24
thing, now you, you throw a firewire
27:26
kit on a, on a, on a vehicle.
27:28
Now you have hotter spark
27:30
and you're burning more fuel.
27:32
You're not expelling raw fuel, you know,
27:35
the catalytic converter for those of you
27:37
that don't know, I don't know how many
27:38
people are on right now, but the cat,
27:40
what the cat does is the cat is there to
27:43
burn off excess fuel
27:45
before it exits tailpipe.
27:47
Yep.
27:47
So, and that's one thing that I just
27:51
thought of the whole reset the computer
27:53
thing, cause I didn't even think of that.
27:55
Um, by, by doing that, I was hoping that
27:58
I'm hoping to see, uh, even a better
28:02
increase in fuel economy.
28:04
Um, cause like you, you know, I travel 44
28:07
to 46 miles, whatever it is exactly.
28:10
Um, every day back and forth to work.
28:12
Um, excuse me.
28:15
Yeah.
28:15
44 is what I travel.
28:17
So it sounds like we
28:18
have a similar commute.
28:20
Yeah.
28:21
Well, I take all the back roads cause I
28:23
still got that ducked up
28:24
swabble cause I can't
28:25
afford to get a decent track bar.
28:28
Um, but, uh, breakies,
28:31
where the hell is that going?
28:34
Um, I want to help you, but I don't know.
28:36
Okay.
28:38
You, you, you increase your spark.
28:40
So you're burning more of the
28:41
fuel that's in the cylinder.
28:43
Now, if you increase air flow, the
28:46
computer senses that there was actually
28:48
a writeup that, uh, somebody sent me a
28:50
link to one of the posts on the site
28:52
that was talking about if you move a
28:54
certain sensor on the manifold, which
28:57
is your, well, normally it's called the
28:59
MAF, the mass airflow sensor.
29:02
Um, and all that does is it, it reads how
29:04
much, how much air is traveling
29:06
through the intake and it adjusts the
29:09
fuel to accommodate for how much
29:12
air you're taking in and whatever.
29:15
Um, well, let me, let me
29:17
make a quick correction.
29:19
It's actually a map, a sensor MAP and
29:21
that's, uh, but believe that, uh,
29:24
reads air pressure, not flow because we
29:27
don't have a mass air
29:28
flow sensor on the Jeep.
29:30
Mm-hmm.
29:31
That's what I'm getting at.
29:33
Um, that's why they're
29:35
not mounted in the air box.
29:36
Right.
29:37
On the new vehicle.
29:38
It's on mine anyway.
29:39
It's on the side of the throttle, the
29:41
side of the throttle body.
29:42
Right.
29:43
Well, on, on, well, you have a 98.
29:46
Yes.
29:46
Okay.
29:47
Mine's a 95 mine's mounted on it's behind
29:50
the throttle body in the manifold.
29:53
Um, so moving that, you know, the guy
29:58
said he saw, you know, three miles
30:00
more per gallon by moving that.
30:01
Well, okay.
30:02
Well, that's wonderful, but it's not
30:04
utilizing what it's for.
30:06
Right.
30:08
Uh, so I guess, um, to kind of wrap this
30:13
up, I don't know if anybody else wants to
30:14
call in or not, um, by increasing the
30:19
amount of air flow through the motor and
30:22
increasing the amount of spark and how
30:24
much fuel, um, the engine's burning, uh,
30:28
is definitely gonna, um, be.
30:35
You know, obviously that's better.
30:37
Uh, but if you, if you just do one or the
30:40
other by increasing the amount of spark
30:42
or how much fuel the motor's burning, but
30:44
it's still not taking in enough air.
30:47
Do you know what I'm getting at?
30:49
Right.
30:50
But to increase the air, you have to
30:52
increase the fuel and to increase the
30:55
fuel, it requires
30:56
different pressure regulator.
30:59
It requires a different injector.
31:01
I think what the performance distributor
31:03
firework hit is geared towards is burning
31:07
the air fuel mixture
31:09
that's in the cylinder better.
31:11
But the computer manages that the
31:14
computer manages how
31:15
much fuel is injected.
31:17
If there's X amount of air coming in and
31:20
X amount of fuel being burnt.
31:22
So that's what your, your, you know, your
31:24
O2 sensors are doing.
31:25
It's, it's sensing the, the, the, the,
31:28
how hot the fuel is or how hot the
31:30
burn is coming out.
31:32
So the, the increased temperature of more
31:35
fuel burning is going to increase
31:38
the amount of fuel coming in and all,
31:39
all, all, all O2 sensor is it's a switch.
31:43
It goes on and off.
31:44
That's it.
31:44
So you guys that, uh, by the cheapo, you
31:48
know, code readers or whatever, and it
31:50
says your O2 sensors bad, um, it, it,
31:53
with a computer like you have Tony, you
31:56
can actually see what
31:57
the O2 sensor is doing.
31:59
Right.
31:59
And you can see the increase or decrease
32:02
in the amount of fuel that's being input,
32:05
you know, put, put into the motor.
32:08
So that'll increase or decrease depending
32:10
on how much, how hot your burn is and how
32:13
much flow of air you
32:15
have coming into the motor.
32:17
Right.
32:17
Yeah.
32:18
I understand what you're saying, but I
32:20
think that there's a limit in the
32:21
programming on the ECM as
32:23
far as how far it'll go.
32:24
And there's certainly a limit on, on the
32:26
pressure that's, uh, being sent from the
32:28
fuel pump.
32:29
And I think this is why people that have,
32:31
uh, that build stroke.
32:33
Uh, often don't see the performance
32:35
improvements that they thought they were
32:36
going to get out of it because they
32:38
didn't change the intake.
32:40
They didn't increase the airflow.
32:42
Uh, it's the engine itself.
32:44
You know, if I'm, if I'm remembering
32:46
correctly, you do have to change the
32:47
injector, so there's more fuel.
32:50
But if you don't increase several aspects
32:53
of it, then it, then the computer is not
32:55
going to be able to do better for you.
32:57
So I don't think that, um, I don't think
33:01
that the additional air, I don't think
33:03
the 4.0 is going to require more air
33:06
than, than, I mean,
33:08
certainly what you did is
33:09
fine.
33:10
I don't think that that opening that up,
33:12
you know, a couple of, uh, square
33:14
centimeters is going to, uh,
33:16
is going to be too much air.
33:17
I think that's going to be fine, but I
33:19
don't also too, don't think that it's
33:20
going to increase your
33:21
gas mileage about 35%.
33:23
That would be too easy.
33:24
And, and you know, the 4.0, one of the
33:27
things that Jeep had a problem with with
33:28
the 4.0 was they, they, they discontinued
33:30
that engine because they were not getting
33:32
the gas mileage out of
33:33
it that they wanted to.
33:34
That's why they put the underpowered
33:36
piece of V6s or whatever it
33:39
is they have in the TJs
33:40
or I'm sorry, the JKs now.
33:42
Yeah.
33:43
So I don't, you know, if it was something
33:45
as simple as opening
33:46
up that, that aperture
33:48
on the air box, they
33:50
would have done that.
33:51
Yeah.
33:51
But you know, engineers, like I know
33:55
engineers and those are guys, pencil
33:57
pushers that sit behind a desk and go,
34:00
well, yeah, this looks good.
34:01
According to the numbers and the computer
34:03
saying that the flow
34:04
is right and whatever
34:05
whatnot, and being in the business that I
34:08
am engineers, if
34:10
they're sitting by behind
34:11
a desk and they're not actually utilizing
34:15
the product, you know what I mean?
34:16
It's like a hands-on thing.
34:18
Right.
34:19
I don't know.
34:20
I don't go, I don't
34:22
agree with that analogy.
34:23
I think that it's a, whenever you're
34:24
talking about a millions
34:26
of dollars in a product
34:29
that they made almost a what 2.5 million
34:32
of those things, it
34:33
would be much to their
34:34
advantage to figure it
34:35
out, to make it work.
34:36
And they didn't, they came
34:38
out with a Liberty instead.
34:40
So, uh, I do think that the engineers
34:42
know, knew what it
34:43
was, what was going on,
34:44
especially with something that had been
34:45
running that long, that they had been on
34:47
the road that long.
34:48
So, uh, I don't know why, but your, your,
34:51
your noise has gotten worse.
34:53
So, uh, I want to, I'm going to go ahead
34:55
and wrap it up and, uh, really thank you
34:58
for calling in and very interested to see
35:01
how your, um, your gas mileage results
35:04
work in the future.
35:05
And, and I urge you get that gear to go
35:07
in there because then
35:09
it'll be really easy
35:10
for you to track your, your gas mileage
35:13
because you can just use your odometer.
35:15
Right.
35:15
Yeah.
35:16
Yeah.
35:16
I'm definitely planning on doing that.
35:18
Um, the other thing I want to do is I
35:20
want to, I want to go to the four 11s.
35:22
I want to get rid of those three 55s.
35:24
Yeah.
35:25
That should, that should help.
35:26
But that's the thing
35:26
that helped me the most.
35:27
I'm sure you read my post.
35:28
I think I saw two, two and a half mile
35:30
per gallon out of it.
35:31
Right.
35:32
Yeah, definitely.
35:33
All right.
35:34
Well, thanks.
35:35
Uh, thanks for listening to me.
35:36
Yak.
35:37
Hey, and thanks for calling in and
35:38
listening to the show
35:39
and, uh, hope to, uh,
35:41
catch you on the site when we get done.
35:43
All righty.
35:44
Thank you again.
35:45
All right.
35:45
Peace out everyone.
35:47
Well, that's great.
35:48
That was even better than what I was
35:49
hoping for because I was just asking, uh,
35:52
uh, Kurt Weldman, uh, what he was seeing.
35:55
Uh, if he was seeing an improvement, I
35:56
thought he was based
35:57
on some of the things he had said on the
35:58
site and wow, that's great.
36:01
Uh, from seeing 160
36:03
miles per tank to, uh, 235.
36:08
Uh, I can't help but believe he's tickled
36:11
at that, uh, especially
36:12
with the way gas prices are.
36:14
We've had a few more people, uh, show up,
36:16
uh, looks like show up and leave.
36:18
Um, well, no, I guess
36:20
Dalton had to leave.
36:21
Uh, that happens with Dalton.
36:22
He's good about, uh, being here when we
36:24
start, but he's got something
36:26
later in the evening, uh,
36:28
dancing with the stars isn't on.
36:30
So it probably isn't that anyway, uh,
36:32
Wayne and New Zealand has joined us.
36:34
Can tab 27.
36:36
Uh, and, and often I'll say the first
36:39
name of the individual
36:40
and then their name on
36:41
XJ talk can tab 27 is, uh, his name on XJ
36:45
talk and, uh, Arganard, which is Reani.
36:48
He's in here and hopefully we'll see
36:50
Weldman jump back in.
36:51
Well, gosh, uh, big Jim.
36:53
Oh, let's say maybe I
36:54
just need to update this.
36:56
No big Jim looks like he came and went.
36:58
So, uh, hello and goodbye big Jim and
37:02
Weldman has joined us again.
37:04
So, uh, excellent.
37:05
Great that you guys, uh, were able to get
37:09
in here and join the show tonight.
37:11
So anyway, uh, going back to, uh, to a
37:13
theme of, uh, miles per gallon, uh, here
37:17
recently I, uh, installed, I'm sorry, uh,
37:20
here recently I did something that I'd
37:21
been meaning to do for a good long time.
37:24
Now, uh, I wanted to take off the, uh,
37:27
idle air control, uh, motor and clean it.
37:31
And, uh, I had noticed that I was
37:34
progressively, uh, having a harder and
37:37
harder time getting the engine to start
37:40
first thing in the morning.
37:41
Now, I think in the afternoon, it really
37:44
wasn't a problem, but in the morning
37:45
it, it wouldn't start that first go.
37:47
I mean, it would start so fast.
37:49
It was noticeable that it
37:51
wasn't, it was having a hard time.
37:52
It progressed, this
37:53
progressively got worse.
37:55
And I believe that I tried
37:56
cleaning the throttle body.
37:58
I didn't take the throttle body off.
37:59
I just, um, uh, put a paper towel in
38:03
there and sprayed and cleaned.
38:05
And there was a lot of gunk in there.
38:06
I mean, uh, I probably was at the
38:09
130,000, 140,000 mark
38:12
whenever I did this.
38:13
But, uh, uh, I have already changed the
38:16
throttle position sensor because I was
38:19
the, uh, the, uh, um, transmission
38:22
shifting at one point.
38:24
And, uh, when I would, uh, after driving,
38:27
I would put it in park and I'd,
38:29
I'd run about, um, gosh, like, uh, 1200,
38:32
1300 RPM and it was a strange.
38:36
So changing the throttle
38:37
position sensor, uh, fix that.
38:39
And then I think in a quest to try to
38:42
help my, uh, my gas mileage after
38:43
changing the O2 sensors and a few other
38:45
things, uh, I changed the, uh, the map
38:47
sensor and, uh, that didn't make any
38:50
difference, none that I could tell
38:51
anyway, no measurable difference.
38:53
So, uh, one of the, the only thing on
38:55
that throttle body that, uh, that was
38:56
on the throttle body that I hadn't done
38:58
anything to was the idle air control,
39:00
the IAC, and I thought, uh, I'd read
39:03
someplace about cleaning it and, uh,
39:05
I thought that I would try that.
39:08
Um, I'd also read about the doing the
39:10
C-foam thing, which was a lot like the,
39:13
the same thing that I did with, um, my
39:16
old, um, um, 350 and 327 and transmission
39:20
fluid, automatic transmission fluid.
39:22
Just pour that through the carburetor and
39:24
you get this, this white smoke out,
39:25
but it would hit the automatic
39:27
transmission fluid
39:27
had a tendency to clean
39:29
things out of the engine, any, uh,
39:31
deposits, and I'm sure it didn't, uh,
39:33
clean it as well as, you know, taking the
39:36
thing apart and cleaning it up.
39:37
But it, it, it made it run better.
39:40
And if nothing else, it was a lot of fun
39:42
because it was like the old time
39:43
mosquito sprayers, uh, that used to come
39:45
down the road that us as kids would ride
39:48
through boy, we didn't know
39:49
what the hell we were doing.
39:50
I think that stuff was DDT.
39:52
Anyway, big, huge white billowing cloud.
39:55
It was just a blast to do that.
39:57
I'd often thought about, uh, setting up
40:00
a, uh, a spare, uh, windshield,
40:02
uh, wiper reservoir and a feed of the
40:06
automatic transmission fluid and the
40:08
that would feed straight into the, the,
40:11
uh, the, uh, what is it?
40:13
The bot, the, the opening.
40:15
I can't remember what it's called.
40:16
The, uh, the opening of the, uh,
40:19
carburetor and have a
40:21
kind of a James bond thing.
40:22
You know, press a button, it starts
40:23
pumping automatic transmission fluid
40:25
into the carburetor and you
40:25
get all this billowing smoke.
40:27
Anyway, I never did.
40:28
And of course I never got arrested, so it
40:29
all worked out for the best.
40:31
So anyway, I see foamed it and, uh, to my
40:34
amazement, the, the starting,
40:36
the, uh, hard starting problem went away.
40:39
And after about two days, it came back
40:41
and it progressively got worse.
40:44
I think I see filmed it again.
40:45
It went away and then
40:46
over two days it came back.
40:48
So the, the interesting thing was as it
40:51
got worse, not only would it have a hard
40:54
time starting in the morning, then it
40:56
started having a hard
40:56
time starting in the
40:57
evening and then it, instead of, you
41:00
know, if I'd go down
41:01
to Lowe's or some place
41:02
and run in and get something come back
41:03
out, it used to start right back up.
41:05
No, now it's, it doesn't want to start.
41:08
First time just after a short trip and a
41:10
short time, uh, just being in the
41:13
store and coming back out.
41:14
So I've just gotten used to it taking
41:16
about two to three times to start.
41:19
It runs a little rough, uh, for the,
41:21
about, uh, between two and five seconds.
41:24
It lines right out and it's snappy.
41:27
There's good, good throttle response.
41:29
Everything runs great.
41:30
So, uh, cleaning the IAC was on my list
41:34
to do because I thought
41:35
that would make a difference.
41:37
Maybe, maybe, you know, the sea foam was
41:39
cleaning stuff up, but not cleaning
41:40
up as good as it need to be.
41:41
So, uh, I actually removed the throttle
41:44
body from the intake and oh my God,
41:48
the, the all that I went through trying
41:50
to change that throttle position sensor.
41:53
I bet you I spent an hour because one of
41:56
the, um, one of the, uh, I forget the
41:59
torques, uh, screws that they have
42:01
holding that thing on
42:02
messed up and I had to cut
42:03
a notch in that thing with a Dremel tool
42:07
so I could get a screwdriver on it and
42:08
take it off and all it
42:10
was, it was just horrific.
42:11
Four simple bolts hold that throttle body
42:15
onto the intake and the cables for the,
42:19
um, I guess it would be the transmission
42:21
kick down the, uh, actually opening and
42:24
closing of the throttle body itself.
42:26
They just, they just pop right off.
42:27
Very simple.
42:28
Take those four bolts off there.
42:30
Be careful that you don't lose the gasket
42:33
or damage the gasket
42:34
that's in between the
42:35
throttle body and the
42:35
intake and you just lift it off.
42:38
Unhook the electrical connections, at
42:40
least on the 98 there's three electrical
42:41
connections cause there's the idle air
42:44
control motor, the TPS sensor and the
42:47
map sensor, pop those electrical
42:49
connections off and take that thing over
42:51
to your bench, bench B E N C H.
42:54
And then you can work on it there.
42:56
And, uh, uh, I was able to take the idle
42:59
air controller off real easy, uh, and,
43:02
uh, took it out and cleaned it.
43:04
Be very careful with it
43:05
because it is delicate.
43:06
Don't try to operate the mechanism.
43:09
Just clean the thing, make it nice.
43:11
And then I also cleaned inside the
43:13
little, uh, aperture
43:14
that it, it goes in and, uh,
43:18
gave the, uh, gave the throttle body a
43:19
good going over on clean as well.
43:22
So, um, I was just reading here what, uh,
43:25
what Wayne was saying.
43:26
He says, yeah, I'd done what Tony's
43:28
talking about a while back.
43:29
Wayne, did you see any
43:30
changes when you did it?
43:31
Because, uh, what I was about to say on
43:33
the throttle on the, on the, uh, idle
43:34
air controller after doing that, I
43:37
thought I'd fixed the problem.
43:38
I figured that's what it was.
43:39
The sea foam was cleaning it up a little
43:41
bit, but wasn't cleaning it thoroughly
43:43
enough and I certainly cleaned it
43:45
thoroughly and it,
43:47
uh, boy, it would start
43:48
right up, uh, started right up after I
43:50
got through, uh, doing all the cleaning
43:53
and putting everything back together.
43:55
I don't guess the dishwasher would hurt
43:58
anything because the throttle
43:59
body is just a hunk of metal.
44:01
As long as you took the sensors off
44:02
there, uh, and
44:03
actually the sensors probably
44:04
wouldn't make a, probably
44:05
wouldn't hurt the sensors either.
44:06
But anyway, the, um, certainly wouldn't
44:08
be heat because you know how hot it gets
44:10
under the hood of a, of a Cherokee, but
44:11
anyway, uh, I put the
44:13
thing back together,
44:15
uh, after a few hours, I started it up
44:18
again, started right up.
44:20
Um, several hours later started it right
44:22
up, but I left alone all night.
44:24
And then, um, the, uh, I started up the
44:28
next morning boy just started right up.
44:30
It was a little slow to start.
44:31
Like the battery was a little low or
44:33
something, uh, that, uh, all day, the,
44:36
the nine hours at work or whatever it
44:38
was, the eight hours, eight and a half
44:39
hours at work went out, went to start it
44:41
up, started right up.
44:42
I mean, it was fast and
44:44
a boy just came right up.
44:46
Then the next day, nope, didn't start.
44:49
It started on the
44:49
second go, but on the first.
44:51
So if, and I guess we're, I guess it's
44:54
about, uh, what is today?
44:55
This is Wednesday.
44:56
So I did all this stuff on Sunday.
44:59
So, you know, we're three days into it.
45:01
So what I should see here is it
45:04
progressively getting
45:05
worse and it doesn't
45:06
get any, it doesn't get so bad that it
45:08
won't start, but, uh, it progressively
45:10
gets worse and, and it may just be
45:13
wishful thinking, but, uh, I seem to see
45:17
on the, on the, how far I go on the
45:20
odometer and how far the needle is
45:22
moving over from, from full, it seems to
45:26
be going slower, uh, like the,
45:29
it's using less gas.
45:30
So I know that whenever I'm getting, when
45:34
I go from, uh, full to the, the, the
45:37
first notch, which is what is it?
45:40
Uh, three eights, I'm sorry.
45:41
Seven eights, uh, a tank that it's, if
45:44
there's eight marks, I can't remember.
45:46
But anyway, the first mark, uh, uh,
45:48
before, or the last mark
45:50
before you get to full.
45:53
I can get, if I'm getting 80, if I've
45:55
gone 80 miles right
45:57
there, I'm doing pretty
45:58
good, but it seems to,
46:01
it doesn't stay with that.
46:02
It seems to increase, uh, as it goes
46:05
closer to, closer to empty.
46:07
And that could just be the, the
46:09
inconsistencies of the measuring.
46:11
Cause you know, it's not,
46:12
it's not a precise thing.
46:13
It just could be inconsistencies of the
46:15
measuring of the, um, whatever you call
46:20
the, uh, the analog thing that they have
46:23
in the tank that the float and keeping up
46:26
with the position of the, of the fuel of
46:28
the tank that has the, the fuel in it.
46:31
I don't know.
46:32
But I've noticed that whenever it's doing
46:34
well, I can get to that first notch, uh,
46:37
after full and be at 80 miles.
46:41
And boy, I tell you what, if I could stay
46:42
there where each notch was 80 miles, I
46:47
think I could get a thousand miles out of
46:48
a tank, but it speeds up.
46:50
And I think the best I've ever done is
46:52
around two 38 for a tank of gas.
46:54
And I've got the 20
46:55
gallon, 20 gallon tank.
46:56
So anyway, uh, mainly I wanted to tell
47:00
you, uh, that if you're going to change
47:03
one of the sensors or the idle air
47:05
controller motor on your throttle body,
47:08
take the throttle body off, make sure
47:10
that you put something in the intake.
47:12
So, uh, you don't drop anything in there.
47:15
Cause if it goes in the intake, it's
47:18
going to go to the top of the
47:19
piston and start smacking on the head and
47:22
the, uh, the valves.
47:24
So block that.
47:25
And also too, uh, before you put the, uh,
47:28
before you put the throttle
47:29
body back on, clean that intake.
47:31
Cause you'll actually get some carpet
47:32
buildup inside there as well.
47:34
And you just want to make that thing nice
47:35
and shiny and clean.
47:37
And it's probably not a bad idea to do
47:40
that every so often.
47:41
I don't know, uh, if it needs to be done
47:43
annually, but it shouldn't hurt.
47:46
As long as you take your time, make sure
47:48
that you don't damage the gasket.
47:49
You don't want to get any, uh, air flows
47:52
going through anything other
47:53
than the throttle body.
47:54
You want to make sure
47:55
that gasket is, is good.
47:56
You might actually want to replace it.
47:58
Um, whenever you take the, every time you
48:00
take the throttle body off,
48:01
I'm, those things
48:02
can't be that expensive.
48:03
It was just a very thin piece of
48:06
material, but cleaning the throttle
48:08
body might be a good idea, uh, as a, uh,
48:12
a regular routine, especially
48:13
with our aging, uh, Jeep Cherokees.
48:15
Um, couldn't hurt as
48:17
long as you do it right.
48:18
And, uh, it is very, very simple.
48:22
And as, uh, and as always with any advice
48:25
that you get, not only here,
48:26
but also too from XJTalk.com, you know,
48:29
it's your responsibility to take
48:31
that advice and do what
48:32
you think is best with it.
48:34
It's your vehicle.
48:35
We don't want to tell you to do something
48:37
that's going to cause damage to your
48:40
vehicle or keep you from getting back and
48:41
forth to work or just having the,
48:44
the joy of driving your Jeep around.
48:46
So you need to temper what we tell you
48:49
with what you know, your abilities are.
48:51
And if you don't feel that you have the
48:53
ability to do these things, take
48:56
it to a certified
48:56
mechanic, let them do it for you.
48:59
Um, many of them will let you watch if,
49:01
even if it's just outside the bay and
49:03
you can, uh, maybe get a, uh, a good idea
49:06
of, uh, of what you can do and,
49:08
uh, try other things.
49:10
And when your skill level gets to a
49:11
certain degree where you feel comfortable
49:13
doing it, then you can do it yourself.
49:15
But for, uh, for those shade tree
49:17
mechanics and you know who you are,
49:19
it's a very simple thing.
49:20
I should have taken off the, uh, the
49:21
throttle body long ago, but, uh, I have
49:24
a little, especially when I'm, when I'm
49:26
working on something that takes me back
49:28
and forth to work, I'm a little timid in
49:30
doing things that I haven't done before
49:33
and taking the throttle body off that
49:35
intake was the first
49:36
time I've ever done it.
49:37
Uh, I've done other things that have to
49:39
do with other vehicles.
49:41
And you know, so I do have past
49:44
experience in working on vehicles.
49:46
I've built engines.
49:48
I've done a lot of things.
49:49
But there's certain
49:50
things I haven't done.
49:51
And I always try to, to bone up on what
49:54
it is, uh, that I should expect to see.
49:57
And what it is that I should
49:59
expect to do once I'm there.
50:01
And I feel much more confident actually,
50:03
uh, after I've actually done it.
50:06
So only do the things that you feel
50:08
comfortable doing and be very careful.
50:09
You might actually even want to, it seems
50:11
like everybody has a
50:12
smartphone these days.
50:13
You might want to pull out your
50:14
smartphone and snap a few pictures before
50:18
you take things apart or as you take
50:20
things apart, and then
50:22
you can always pull it back
50:23
up on your phone and look at it.
50:25
And so you'll know where things go back.
50:28
Um, it's, it's, it's very easy to do
50:31
these days to snap
50:33
that picture with the, uh,
50:35
with the cell phone, with a smartphone.
50:36
And while you're at it, since you've got
50:38
those pictures, upload them to XJtalk.com
50:41
and tell us what you did.
50:44
So that would work
50:44
out well for both of us.
50:46
And you know, I highly recommend that the
50:48
taking the picture thing, anytime you do
50:50
drum breaks, oh my God,
50:52
drum breaks are just horrible.
50:54
I'm sure you could do it enough where you
50:56
don't need to take
50:57
pictures, but, uh, never
50:59
make the mistake of, of taking all the
51:02
parts off of your
51:02
drum breaks, both sides,
51:04
always leave one there.
51:05
And even if you're taking pictures, I
51:07
would still recommend
51:08
leaving one side put
51:09
together, this, this so you can go back
51:11
and actually look and move around and see
51:13
the details because that's a nightmare.
51:16
I want to get some disc breaks on the,
51:18
my, uh, my cross or 8.25.
51:21
But anyway, that's, that's another,
51:22
that's another deal,
51:23
another post and another show.
51:24
So guys, um, we actually have a pretty
51:27
good turnout tonight with, uh, the four
51:29
viewers we have, but we did have a lot
51:31
more when the show first started.
51:33
I'm not sure if it's, uh, the show just
51:36
isn't something that
51:37
you're interested in.
51:38
Uh, maybe, uh, we've got people that are
51:41
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51:45
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51:45
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51:47
Uh, the show is also a podcast so you can
51:49
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51:51
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51:53
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51:54
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51:55
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56:20
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