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Can You Love Again Without Replacing Them? · Groove with Portia

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Speaker 1: Welcome to grou Porsche, the podcast that uncovers the hidden
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Speaker 1: treasures within grief. I'm your host, Porsche the Producer, and
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Speaker 1: where we were exchange laughter, of course the best medicine
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Speaker 1: of them all, reflect on cherished memories, Remember that time
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Speaker 1: that the little boy grabbed my hand instead of his
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Speaker 1: mother's at the amusement park yikes, And of course, discover
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Speaker 1: gratitude while navigating one of the life's hardest challenges lost.
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Speaker 1: So get ready to gree with me, Porsche the Producer,
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Speaker 1: let's dive in. Hello everybody, and welcome back to Groul Porsche.
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Speaker 1: You know, sometimes we encounter people who come into our
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Speaker 1: lives for us season, but they leave an impact and
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Speaker 1: an imprint on us for a lifetime. So I have
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Speaker 1: a treat for all of you today today. Before I
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Speaker 1: introduce who this woman is, I just have to say
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Speaker 1: when I first met her, I didn't realize that she
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Speaker 1: was going to be a longtime mentor, somebody who I
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Speaker 1: learned to always remind myself about love and putting love first.
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Speaker 1: And also you never know what shoes somebody is walking
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Speaker 1: in until you meet them. So I have my former mentor,
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Speaker 1: known as the Boutique Boss in the community here in Cleveland.
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Speaker 1: She is the executive director of the Sally May Thomas
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Speaker 1: Entrepreneurship Foundation. So welcome doctor Lisa mcguthrie Gore to grow
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Speaker 1: with Portia.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Lisa, Hello, I'm so happy to be here with you.
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Speaker 3: This is exciting, Lisa.
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Speaker 1: You see, I'm just like she's in up a storm.
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Speaker 1: Like you know when you're a little kid and you
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Speaker 1: have that favorite aunt or uncle who you can't wait
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Speaker 1: to see. I still get the same with my favorite uncle.
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Speaker 1: Shout out to my uncle Kik, you know who you are.
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Speaker 1: He does the same thing for me all the time.
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Speaker 4: Let me just give you your flowers real quick.
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Speaker 1: I have in the beginning of the show, but I
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Speaker 1: love to get people their flowers while they're still here
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Speaker 1: because we never know people are here today and gone
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Speaker 1: in the same hour, and I just want to let
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Speaker 1: people know, Lisa, you really left an impact on my
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Speaker 1: life the short time that I worked with you. Even
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Speaker 1: on the days that I didn't want to come in,
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Speaker 1: there was just something about the good vibes tribe. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: in your presence reminded me that life is greater than
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Speaker 1: what my current circumstance was showing me. So I just
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Speaker 1: want to thank you from about.
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Speaker 3: You're welcome, You're welcome, You're welcome.
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Speaker 1: For starters, What are you grateful for today? Not like
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Speaker 1: you're grateful, not like you're not grateful. What are you
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Speaker 1: grateful for today?
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Speaker 4: Lisa?
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Speaker 3: I'm grateful to be on the show with you.
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Speaker 2: That warn't my heart when you believe you reached out
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Speaker 2: to me over the summer, and that was wonderful just
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Speaker 2: being able to hear from you.
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Speaker 3: I'm just grateful for life.
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Speaker 2: I'm grateful for this new opportunity to smile again, to
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Speaker 2: live again, to recreate who Lisa is again.
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Speaker 3: So I'm grateful for all of that.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely, Lisa.
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Speaker 1: And you know you brought up about recreating right, reinventing
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Speaker 1: who you are. So those of you don't know, Lisa
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Speaker 1: lost her husband of thirty two years, Donald mcguthree. Was
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Speaker 1: it in twenty twenty four? I believe yes?
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Speaker 3: February twenty twenty four.
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Speaker 4: Wow, and Lisa.
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Speaker 1: I had the honor of meeting Donald several times when he.
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Speaker 4: Was at the boutique.
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Speaker 1: And Lisa, for our audience who's tuning in, please share
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Speaker 1: with them who Donald was.
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Speaker 3: Donald was an amazing man.
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Speaker 2: He was the amazing husband, He was an amazing father,
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Speaker 2: and he was a friend to everyone in the community.
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Speaker 3: And he was an.
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Speaker 2: Amazing chef, just like Top Tier. And my heart was broken,
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Speaker 2: our family was broken. So just missing and still dealing
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Speaker 2: with the grief of missing him, but learning how to
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Speaker 2: channel it into something good.
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Speaker 1: And Lisa, that's why I invited you on the show,
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Speaker 1: because you have now been remarried or newly wedded to
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Speaker 1: also another Donald Yester. Donald gore God's plan. And you know, Lisa,
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Speaker 1: I'm curious what did it take for you to open
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Speaker 1: your heart up to marrying again, considering that Donald was
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Speaker 1: your person for thirty two years.
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Speaker 3: It was God's plan.
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Speaker 2: Like literally, I was how everything came to I couldn't
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Speaker 2: even dreamt it. I couldn't have guessed it anything. My
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Speaker 2: new husband, Donald was we met in college, so I
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Speaker 2: was his first girlfriend in college. We met in nineteen
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Speaker 2: eighty seven at Central State University, and then we departed
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Speaker 2: like in.
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Speaker 3: Nineteen eighty nine.
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Speaker 2: I didn't see him again until six months after Donald
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Speaker 2: passed away and we reconnected and it was just like
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Speaker 2: a storybook. He literally lived one block from my daughter
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Speaker 2: here in Columbus, and it just everything just came together.
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Speaker 2: I contacted him, he didn't contact me. I went into
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Speaker 2: his inbox.
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Speaker 4: I was like, wait, you was the one in the
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Speaker 4: DM side.
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Speaker 3: I d I d M him and he reached He said,
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Speaker 3: what do you what? You're buried? He said, you're the
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Speaker 3: reason why I don't go on social media. He said,
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Speaker 3: you and your kids and your your happy family.
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Speaker 2: And then I told him, I said, no, my husband
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Speaker 2: passed away and we just we just hit it off
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Speaker 2: from there and it was God's plan and it was
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Speaker 2: absolutely amazing. We dated for two months and then he
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Speaker 2: proposed because I told him, I said, I'm not someone today,
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Speaker 2: I'm a wife. God made me a wife, and I
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Speaker 2: guess it was just perfect timing.
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Speaker 4: And Lisa, I mean, how beautiful.
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Speaker 1: Right in the midst of your grief, Yes, still held
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Speaker 1: that love energy that Donald had given to you these
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Speaker 1: thirty two years. And Lisa, you talked about the brokenness, Yes,
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Speaker 1: that comes with losing your person.
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Speaker 4: Yes, and can you share with our audience.
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Speaker 1: Lisa, how you work with that, how you integrate that
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Speaker 1: into your every day? Now as you've entered what I
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Speaker 1: call the parallel right, you have the memories with Donald,
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Speaker 1: your former husband. Now you have the memories with your
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Speaker 1: new Donald. But then you also have the integration of
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Speaker 1: the two and the traditions. So how do you how
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Speaker 1: have you learned to integrate that grief, that broken peace
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Speaker 1: into your every day?
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Speaker 4: Now?
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Speaker 2: I know that I couldn't have I couldn't do it
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Speaker 2: without God with me, but heaven. Donald is such an
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Speaker 2: amazing man, and then my late Donald was such an
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Speaker 2: amazing man. Donald share with a few of my friends
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Speaker 2: because I was afraid to say, Hey, I'm talking to
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Speaker 2: this guy on the phone. And then one of my
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Speaker 2: friends she said, Lisa, because I don't, I talked about it.
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Speaker 2: He said, he said, if I were to die, he said,
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Speaker 2: you would need to have a husband, because God made
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Speaker 2: you a wife. He would always tell me that, he said,
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Speaker 2: with us having three daughters, he would always say, well,
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Speaker 2: I know I wouldn't ever remarry again.
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Speaker 3: He said, with the three girls, it's not going to
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Speaker 3: be possible.
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Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, yes, tokay, he said no,
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Speaker 2: he said, I think he knew that he wasn't going
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Speaker 2: to make it past this or with the cancer diagnosis,
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Speaker 2: But my I still thought that he was going to
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Speaker 2: make it. We were going to make it. Everything was
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Speaker 2: going to beautiful. We were going to just continue our
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Speaker 2: life as is, and God saw fit to make it different.
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Speaker 2: But I was able to get through this because of
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Speaker 2: the love and the care and what Donald wanted from me.
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Speaker 3: He didn't want me to sit and wallow in grief.
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Speaker 3: He wanted me to live. He would always say, Lisa,
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Speaker 3: you have to live. You have to live. And that's
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Speaker 3: what I thought with me. I have to live.
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Speaker 2: And I know that we have thoughts of him, We
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Speaker 2: have photos of him through the house, and we have
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Speaker 2: we carry on like brisket. His brisket was the best
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Speaker 2: thing ever. I'm getting a little teared up. His brisket
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Speaker 2: was the best thing ever. And we loved his brisket.
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Speaker 2: So at how we make sure we incorporate that brisket,
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Speaker 2: his mac and cheese. We talk about him, we share
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Speaker 2: photos and the man that God blessed me with, he's
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Speaker 2: okay with me, the kids, and he's okay because he
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Speaker 2: knows that he's not in competition with anyone. He knows
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Speaker 2: that that Donald is a part of my life. He's
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Speaker 2: a part of the children's life, he's a part of
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Speaker 2: our grandchildren's life, and he's going to be apart. We
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Speaker 2: love his memory, and I can have a day where
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Speaker 2: I can be sad in those moments I don't know
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Speaker 2: when it's gonna come up. I can hear songs and
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Speaker 2: I'm like wow. I can see something and it's like wow,
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Speaker 2: and those feelings are there.
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Speaker 3: So I don't deny the feelings.
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Speaker 2: I'm honest about the feelings and I address it.
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Speaker 1: Or if you smell brisket out into the ethos, I'm
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Speaker 1: sure because nobody else made it like Donald or the
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Speaker 1: mac and cheese.
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Speaker 3: No, no, definitely not.
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Speaker 2: Well, my son in law's mac and cheese was a
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Speaker 2: little bit better than Donald, so we got that.
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Speaker 1: Wait, so you extra cheese and no punitent. That was
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Speaker 1: a little cheesy that I brought up.
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Speaker 4: I mean, but look at the beauty.
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Speaker 1: Though, Lisa, of you, you're able to hold space for
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Speaker 1: both the grief and the gratitude of memories.
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Speaker 4: Right with the kids.
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Speaker 1: Your daughter's right, I'm sure probably if Donald was still around,
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Speaker 1: and he would to get remarried, your daughters would probably
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Speaker 1: be like Gladiator more than like.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be anything like it is now it's something.
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Speaker 2: And you know, even at at our wedding, we had
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Speaker 2: a destination wedding in Pluntakhana and my grandson gave a
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Speaker 2: speech and he just talked about and I never thought,
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Speaker 2: you know, with him being twelve years old, well he's
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Speaker 2: eleven at the time. He got up and he gave
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Speaker 2: a speech and he said, ya ya, he said, he said,
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Speaker 2: he said, ya ya, mister Donald, mister Donald, I'm so
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Speaker 2: happy that you came into my ya yas in life,
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Speaker 2: he said, my ya ya was sad and I would
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Speaker 2: look at my ya ya and say, yah yah, you're
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Speaker 2: so sad, he said. But then you came around. I heard,
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Speaker 2: who's this, mister donnah, he said, But my ya ya
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Speaker 2: started to smile, and he said that made me happy
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Speaker 2: because my ya y'all was happy. He said, Then I
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Speaker 2: saw him. I said, he's a nice guy. I guess
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Speaker 2: it's okay. And now we're family. And so out of
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Speaker 2: the miles of bates, he said it all.
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Speaker 4: And there you go. I mean, even the children.
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Speaker 1: I think we underestimate the grief that children go through, right, Like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: the children may be resilient, but they.
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Speaker 3: See, they see, they know.
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Speaker 4: And that's so cute, Lisa, that your grandkids call you
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Speaker 4: yah ya.
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Speaker 3: Yes, they call me yah ya.
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Speaker 2: And through this marriage, I've always wanted sons, so we're
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Speaker 2: the modern day Brady Bunch. I have three girls and
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Speaker 2: he has two boys, so I have sons now and
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Speaker 2: they call me mama, So I love it. I absolutely
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Speaker 2: love it. So five girld children and then four grandchildren.
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Speaker 2: Our youngest son, he has a daughter. She's four, so
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Speaker 2: we have four grandchildren.
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Speaker 1: So I mean, literally look at again how we see
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Speaker 1: lost sometimes as such a devastating period in our life.
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Speaker 1: But in your case, Lisa, you've no pun intended grown
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Speaker 1: your family like organically without having to go through all
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Speaker 1: the labor of.
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Speaker 4: Pregnancy and all that again, right, like you.
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Speaker 1: Got your son, your bonus sons, right, your other sons, Yes.
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Speaker 3: Have two sons. And I absolutely love it.
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Speaker 1: Lisa, for our audience, because I know sometimes people look
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Speaker 1: at how we grieve and sometimes they judge right. And
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Speaker 1: I'm curious, how did you handle if you had any
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Speaker 1: criticism around you getting married again so quickly and there.
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Speaker 2: Was criticism, and initially I was ashamed I didn't share
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Speaker 2: like the first year, but I was still you know,
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Speaker 2: with the businesses. I was still posted on social media,
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Speaker 2: but they didn't know that other part of my life,
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Speaker 2: Like I literally I was still in Cleveland part time,
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Speaker 2: but I was literally changing my life and moving here
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Speaker 2: to Columbus because that's where I live now, And it
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Speaker 2: was just that part of my life, but only my truth.
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Speaker 2: My closest friends knew everything that was going on, and
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Speaker 2: they were such cheerleaders. They were absolutely amazing because they
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Speaker 2: knew the love that that on I shared and how
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Speaker 2: beautiful it was. But they also knew that I was
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Speaker 2: grieving and it was okay for me to move forward
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Speaker 2: and still be loved, and that was absolutely amazing. But
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Speaker 2: I did have some people that were saying, oh, wow,
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Speaker 2: how could she say she loved him this much, but
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Speaker 2: now she's moving on after six months? Well I would
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Speaker 2: I couldn't tell anyone if that's the right reason for them.
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Speaker 2: I just know what was good for Lisa, and it's
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Speaker 2: and and just dealing with my situation now. It couldn't
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Speaker 2: be that maybe not be that way for everybody, but
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Speaker 2: in my situation, it was okay, and I literally.
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Speaker 3: It was so beautiful.
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Speaker 2: On the date that I came to Columbus, it was
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Speaker 2: was on Father's Day and Donald and I agreed to
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Speaker 2: meet each other at the park, just you know, at
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Speaker 2: a park. And I was at Kozi with my children
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Speaker 2: and we went there for you know, just a little
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Speaker 2: Father's Day celebration, and I was walking through my brand
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Speaker 2: daughter and I the girls and I we were going
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Speaker 2: back to the car and a monarch butterfly came and
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Speaker 2: kissed me on my temple and I was like wow,
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Speaker 2: And I knew that was a kiss from Donald saying, Lisa,
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Speaker 2: you could be free.
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Speaker 3: And I knew that.
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Speaker 2: So when I met Donald at the park that evening
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Speaker 2: to take a walk, I knew it was okay for
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Speaker 2: me to be there. It is shown up for me.
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Speaker 2: Donald showed up as a way. And then even at
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Speaker 2: our wedding in Punta Kana, now we had a.
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Speaker 3: Dominican band playing all this sauce of music and it
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Speaker 3: was beautiful.
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Speaker 2: Why right at the end when they were their last
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Speaker 2: song was Don't Worry about It. And if anybody knew,
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Speaker 2: godn absolutely loved reggae music.
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Speaker 3: Bob Marley was was his biggest.
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Speaker 2: He loved bar Marley and that's the song that came
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Speaker 2: out to close out O what was it right after
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Speaker 2: the wedding, like a cocktail hour, and that's what came on.
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Speaker 2: And all my girlfriends they came from Cleveland, was about
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Speaker 2: eight of them, and they had on my favorite color.
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Speaker 2: They were lime green, and it was absolutely beautiful and
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Speaker 2: they all at the same time they said, Donald was
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Speaker 2: here saying it's okay, Lisa, and it was just beautiful.
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Speaker 2: So in my heart, I know. So I think people
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Speaker 2: know in their heart whether or not it's okay. And
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Speaker 2: it felt okay because I wouldn't have done it if
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Speaker 2: it didn't feel okay to.
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Speaker 1: Me, Lisa, I can relate with the monarch butterflies me.
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Speaker 1: Some of my audience knows that. After my mom, who transitioned,
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Speaker 1: like right before, I said, Mom, make sure you come
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Speaker 1: visit me.
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Speaker 4: And I remember, just like in the Bible.
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Speaker 1: Jesus rose from the dead three days, right, it is
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Speaker 1: after my mom's transition, I walked in the front yard
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Speaker 1: and a monarch was just flying around and I just
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Speaker 1: stood there and I started crying because I.
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Speaker 3: Knew that was her visiting deal. Yes, yeah, And that's
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Speaker 3: how I was from it.
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Speaker 2: I knew that it was okay because I was nervous
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Speaker 2: about going to meet because I you know, I'm like
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Speaker 2: with the same person since I was twenty five years old.
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Speaker 2: I'm going on a date to meet somebody at a park.
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Speaker 3: I'm like, oh no.
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Speaker 2: But then after that butterfly kiss, I was like, it's okay,
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Speaker 2: you can go meet him at the park and you're okay.
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Speaker 2: And when I went there, I was okay. I was okay,
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Speaker 2: and I felt like it was okay. And then my
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Speaker 2: baby girl, she was the only one still at home.
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Speaker 2: She literally knew I was talking to someone on the phone.
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Speaker 2: She said, she calls me, but Linda. She's like, Butlenda,
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Speaker 2: what are you doing? And she she used to always
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Speaker 2: hear me in the room crying, but she heard me
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Speaker 2: laughing and that was like news to her.
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Speaker 3: Ears. She's like, my mom is laughing. I hear my
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Speaker 3: mom laughing.
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Speaker 2: She said, I want to see I want to speak
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Speaker 2: to whoever has you laughing. And that made her feel
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Speaker 2: so much better.
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Speaker 3: And they been a blessing.
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Speaker 1: And I'm glad, Lisa, because I think so many people
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Speaker 1: and again you said it, you have to grieve in
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Speaker 1: your own way. You have to feel into what is
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Speaker 1: right for your situation. But I've noticed that so many
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Speaker 1: people become a prisoner of their grief because something has changed. Yes, right,
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Speaker 1: the accessibility their person is no longer in the form
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Speaker 1: that we're used to.
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Speaker 3: Right exactly.
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Speaker 2: But for me, I know I can talk to Donald
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Speaker 2: anytime that I want to. I can if I need direction.
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Speaker 2: I remember right after he passed away, we had a
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Speaker 2: flood in our basement and I said, okay, I don't
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Speaker 2: know what to do. Donald, I need you here to
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Speaker 2: tell me what to do, and like, literally are making
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Speaker 2: men in South Eukle showed us up, and you know,
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Speaker 2: I saw a little form where he written down some
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Speaker 2: notes to South you call South Euclid if you ever
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Speaker 2: have a plumbing issue in the basement, don't call rotor Ruter.
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Speaker 2: That was the little note to me in this little
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Speaker 2: book that he got. And I called them the baby.
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Speaker 2: They came right out, got took care of the line.
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Speaker 2: Normally they charged one twenty five. He told me he
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Speaker 2: wasn't charging me anything. But those those the type of
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Speaker 2: things that I experienced because I'm.
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Speaker 3: Like, I don't want to do it. A flood I
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Speaker 3: never had to deal with this, but just that thing.
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Speaker 2: And I know even now, like when things are going on,
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Speaker 2: I still if I need to reach out and talk,
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Speaker 2: I do.
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Speaker 4: Well.
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Speaker 1: And you've I'm glad Lisa that you have keept that
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Speaker 1: line of communication open, that love energy, even though it's
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Speaker 1: pivoted some. But Donald is still included in the family
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Speaker 1: endeavors he is.
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Speaker 3: And we were all. He's always a part of us.
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Speaker 3: I mean, he'll always be. I can't just say, oh,
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Speaker 3: he's separate. He's not. He's always a part of us.
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Speaker 4: Lisa. That's beautiful.
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Speaker 1: And that's why I wanted to have you on the
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Speaker 1: show today because so many people right now are in
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Speaker 1: that boat where they are possibly a widow, they've been
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Speaker 1: a widow for quite a bit of time. They're teeter
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Speaker 1: tottering on the societal pressures of whether it's time for
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Speaker 1: them to move on or not.
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Speaker 4: And you are the example of.
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Speaker 1: Giving yourself the permission to be guided continuously by Donald.
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Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 2: And now I'm a part of part of a group
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Speaker 2: called Widows Helping Widows. I was able to share my
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Speaker 2: story with some of the women in the group, and
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Speaker 2: you know, they call it their next chapter. You know,
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Speaker 2: I don't call that on my next chapter. That was
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Speaker 2: God's plan in my life. But however, people want to
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Speaker 2: address it, but they're more open to knowing that there
19:50
Speaker 2: is there can be love after lost. So a lot
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Speaker 2: of folks close off their heart. They don't want to
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Speaker 2: feel anymore. But it's okay to feel. But everybody's like
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Speaker 2: I tell everybody, everybody, journey of grief is different. Don't
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Speaker 2: expect it to be like anyone else's. You have to
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Speaker 2: breathe how you neque to grief as a cookie cutter.
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Speaker 1: But okay, you can say that again, there is no
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Speaker 1: cookie cutter in your grief journey.
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Speaker 3: Nope, nope, nope, nope.
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Speaker 2: But I like when you asked me, I did have
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Speaker 2: some people that I know felt that I was a
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Speaker 2: little ashamed initially of sharing that I foundly loved, but
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Speaker 2: then I said no he I think it was this
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Speaker 2: year on Father's Day that I openly share that I
20:35
Speaker 2: had a new love in my life. But prior to that,
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Speaker 2: I kept it really quiet, except for those people that
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Speaker 2: were really really close to me and.
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Speaker 4: I good Tribe.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, those good believe me. They showed up in
20:50
Speaker 2: Puta Kana. They shut puta kinda down right there with
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Speaker 2: their lime green dresses on.
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Speaker 3: It was absolutely amazing. Yeah, it was a blessing.
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Speaker 2: But I learned that, you know, people are going to
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Speaker 2: think what they want to think, and they can as
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Speaker 2: long as I'm doing what I feel that that's good
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Speaker 2: enough for me.
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Speaker 4: Excellent, Lisa.
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Speaker 1: We are going to be wrapping up here soon, Lisa,
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Speaker 1: And before we conclude for today, please tell us about
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Speaker 1: your Sally Made Thomas Entrepreneurship Foundation and if individuals are
21:23
Speaker 1: interested in connecting with you and learning more about you,
21:27
Speaker 1: how can they do that?
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Speaker 2: Okay, So, the Sally Made Thomas Entrepreneurship Foundation is an
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Speaker 2: extension of Entrepreneur one eighty, the courses in which I
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Speaker 2: talked when I was in Cleveland, specifically for youth and
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Speaker 2: women entrepreneurs, just showing the principles, sharing the principles of
21:43
Speaker 2: what how to build a sustainable business in the community
21:48
Speaker 2: to help with that personal growth here in Well, we've
21:51
Speaker 2: actually enacted it here in Columbus. We've done a lot
21:54
Speaker 2: of coach drives and things like that. But we're working
21:57
Speaker 2: with youth in our community now for some jobs. My
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Speaker 2: daughter owns a company that's called two Good Eats and
22:04
Speaker 2: the children will get hands on skills we're helping to
22:08
Speaker 2: run the business during that summer hours. Yeah, so that's
22:11
Speaker 2: what we're doing right now, and hopefully within the next
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Speaker 2: few weeks we're going to have the curriculum for entrepreneur
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Speaker 2: one eighty course for a women here in Columbus excellent.
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Speaker 4: Excellent, And Lisa, how can people connect with you so.
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Speaker 2: You can connect with me? At least no signature events.
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Speaker 2: I don't want to give out my personal email. Signature
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Speaker 2: events twenty three at yahoo dot com. At Signature events
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Speaker 2: twenty three at yahoo dot com.
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Speaker 1: Excellent, So those are you signatory events twenty three at
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Speaker 1: yahoo dot com if you want to reach out to
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Speaker 1: Lisa directly. Also, you can do a Google search probably
22:48
Speaker 1: of the Sally May Thomas Entrepreneurship Foundation. If you're a
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Speaker 1: woman entrepreneur or a young person who wants to be
22:55
Speaker 1: your own boss someday right.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, it can change your whole trajectory, the whole lineage.
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Speaker 2: That's how I went to college. My grandmother having a
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Speaker 2: goal and a vision just to keep her children from
23:07
Speaker 2: growing up in poverty.
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Speaker 4: In that order.
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Speaker 1: Well, everybody that was doctor Lisa mcguthrie gore that you
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Speaker 1: heard from on this episode of grew with Portia, and
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Speaker 1: that concludes our conversation for today and until next time. Everybody, Peace,
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Speaker 1: love and hair Greece everyone,