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Halloween Special w/ John Nolte; Wynton Hall on the AI 'Code Red', Nvidia's Chinese Honey Pot · The Alex Marlow Show

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Speaker 1: All right, my real-life godfather, John Nolte, is here for
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Speaker 1: the first of a two-guest Marlo and Friends episode today.
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Speaker 1: We talk about Halloween. Can Christians watch horror movies and
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Speaker 1: enjoy them?
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Speaker 2: I say yes. John also says yes.
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Speaker 1: But this has been an internet current thing that we
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Speaker 1: take on, and we have a good time doing it. Plus,
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Speaker 1: he makes some recommendations for your spooky season movie-watching enjoyment.
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Speaker 1: And then we also talk about the state of the
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Speaker 1: media in general, as I feel like the fake news
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Speaker 1: has made a bit of a comeback this year.
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Speaker 2: We touch on all that.
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Speaker 1: Then Wynton Hall, who is my resident AI and social
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Speaker 1: media expert, weighs in on how the left is organizing
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Speaker 1: online in this 2026 election season. Then we get into
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Speaker 1: the honeypot attempt on Jensen Wong of NVIDIA.
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Speaker 2: We break that down.
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Speaker 1: Plus the state of the AI economy, which is it
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Speaker 1: overly inflated? He'll give you his answer on that as well.
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Speaker 1: So a busy show. Let's get into it with John
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Speaker 1: Nolte first and then Wynton Hall, both my colleagues at
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Speaker 1: Breitbart News.
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Speaker 2: Here they are. My real-life godfather, John Nolte, is on
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Speaker 2: the show. It's been too long. I did not have
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Speaker 2: to bother John.
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Speaker 1: He's a busy guy. He's got a lot of stuff
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Speaker 1: he's got going on. And I don't tend to take
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Speaker 1: him away from his writing at Breitbart News. But today
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Speaker 1: I am because I got some questions for him. John,
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Speaker 1: great to see you. And I got three big ones
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Speaker 1: that I want to get to today. I want to tackle,
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Speaker 1: can Christians like horror movies? Then I want some Halloween
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Speaker 1: recommendations for people. And then I want to just hear
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Speaker 1: more about what you're thinking about the election season. We're
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Speaker 1: coming up on the election and all the various hoaxes
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Speaker 1: and fake news. It really does seem like we had
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Speaker 1: a real resurgence of some hoaxes and fake news this
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Speaker 1: election cycle, maybe a regression from before.
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Speaker 2: What we've seen in past election cycles. I want your
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Speaker 2: take on that.
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Speaker 1: But let's start with, there's a big discussion that was
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Speaker 1: kicked off by this woman named Allie Beth Stuckey, who's
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Speaker 1: very prominent with younger Christians online. I've interviewed her one time,
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Speaker 1: very smart young woman, and she made a pretty extensive case.
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Speaker 1: I would sum up the tweet, but she did tweets
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Speaker 1: and podcasts basically saying that she's out on Catholics and
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Speaker 1: conservatives and Christians reading. I don't know if she's a Catholic,
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Speaker 1: but she's certainly a Christian a reading horror movie and
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Speaker 1: participating Halloween quote in all of its darkness. And she says,
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Speaker 1: I don't think that Christians should be a fan of
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Speaker 1: horror in general. I don't think that you should be
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Speaker 1: reading books that make you scared. And then she goes
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Speaker 1: on from there, but it's too much to summarize. I
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Speaker 1: think those quotes are pretty relevant. And John, you are
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Speaker 1: my actual godfather and you and I share a mutual love,
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Speaker 1: I think, of the horror genre. So, but I want
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Speaker 1: to hear your thoughts on this and break it down
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Speaker 1: for me. My issue with movies is never about the content.
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Speaker 1: It's about the message.
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Speaker 3: And this sounds kind of glib because you hear it
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Speaker 3: all the time, but there's some truth to it. There's
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Speaker 3: a lot of R-rated stuff in the Bible. There's a
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Speaker 3: lot of really nasty stuff that goes on in the
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Speaker 3: Bible because the Bible wants to be clear about evil
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Speaker 3: and sin. But we all know the Bible's message is perfect.
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Speaker 3: So when I see a horror movie, I don't so much,
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Speaker 3: worry about the content or if it scares me, I
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Speaker 3: worry about what's the message behind it. And there are
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Speaker 3: movies that I like that don't have a message beyond nihilism.
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Speaker 3: And I'll admit that. Movies like Last House on the
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Speaker 3: Left and Texas Chainsaw Massacre, there's not much of a
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Speaker 3: message there. But they're just really well-made movies. Henry Portrait
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Speaker 3: of a Serial Killer is another one. I call those
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Speaker 3: true horror. But for the most part, horror movies have
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Speaker 3: a positive message to them. They're not trying to convince
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Speaker 3: you to be evil. They're either trying to entertain you
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Speaker 3: or at the end of the day, good people prevail
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Speaker 3: over evil. And I don't see a problem with that.
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Speaker 2: So this is where I kind of enter from that point.
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Speaker 1: First of all, I'm a free speech guy, so I
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Speaker 1: don't like taking away any tools for narrative. And I
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Speaker 1: just think that we, society's more interesting when people are
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Speaker 1: free to make the art they want to make. And
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Speaker 1: I do think that over time we've seen art really
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Speaker 1: elevate and this is especially perhaps, but including the cinema
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Speaker 1: genre and you start thinking about who are over, over time,
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Speaker 1: over a large sample size, not, not saying individual movies,
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Speaker 1: there's lots of nihilistic individual movies.
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Speaker 2: Some are great. Some are not great. And we can debate,
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Speaker 2: whether or not.
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Speaker 1: You want to see those case by case and whether
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Speaker 1: or not they're justified case by case. But I do
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Speaker 1: think over time, you start seeing, if you look at
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Speaker 1: the patterns, the heroes in cinema tend to be things
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Speaker 1: that are elevated. They're the rugged individual, or perhaps even
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Speaker 1: the church itself or believing people. My favorite example of this,
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Speaker 1: you know, I was going to get here, John, is
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Speaker 1: The Exorcist, which I think is the most brilliant piece
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Speaker 1: of Christian pop culture that I've ever seen. It's a
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Speaker 1: perfect movie. It is a 100 out of 10 movie.
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Speaker 2: It's horrifying. It's brilliant.
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Speaker 1: And it is about a priest who grapples with his
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Speaker 1: faith and has to overcome that in order to save
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Speaker 1: an innocent girl and vanquish the devil. And it is
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Speaker 1: a remarkable in every sense of the word. And if
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Speaker 1: you say that we're not going to do that, then
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Speaker 1: we take that entry point for people to appreciate Christianity
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Speaker 1: and and appreciate faith and we just remove it from
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Speaker 1: the culture and i just don't think we're i don't
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Speaker 1: think that's a good.
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Speaker 3: Move yeah and it's it's good for people to understand
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Speaker 3: that there's evil in the world and just how evil
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Speaker 3: evil can get and um the the reasons and i
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Speaker 3: have a lot of respect for her you know you
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Speaker 3: and i are not here to attack her or anything
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Speaker 3: like that at all um And it's food for thought.
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Speaker 2: It is food for thought.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, totally.
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Speaker 1: And by the way, on an individual household, if you
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Speaker 1: don't want your kids watching spooky stuff, you're the parent.
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Speaker 4: You choose. It's fine.
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Speaker 1: I'm not taking this overly serious, but it's a compelling question.
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Speaker 1: So it is important to clarify that.
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Speaker 3: And in most of those movies, good does prevail over evil.
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Speaker 3: And I know a couple of people were saying, well,
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Speaker 3: I agree with her when it comes to some movies.
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Speaker 3: And they mentioned the movie Hereditary, which is a 2018
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Speaker 3: horror movie directed by Ari Aster, kind of put him
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Speaker 3: on the map. And I would recommend people avoid that
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Speaker 3: movie because it's boring. That's so funny.
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Speaker 2: The movie is.
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Speaker 3: About a mother who messes with the occult and destroys
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Speaker 3: her family. And I think that's a good message because
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Speaker 3: all she does, she gets tricked into messing with the
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Speaker 3: occult because she misses her dead daughter. And just messing
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Speaker 3: with the occult a little bit, just doing a little
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Speaker 3: seance invites an evil into her family. And at the
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Speaker 3: end of the movie, evil wins. And you might say, well,
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Speaker 3: that's not a good message. And I think it's a
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Speaker 3: great message. Because if someone asked me, if a neighbor
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Speaker 3: came to me and said, hey, we're going to kind
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Speaker 3: of have some fun. You want to do a seance?
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Speaker 3: I wouldn't say no to them because I don't believe
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Speaker 3: in seances. I wouldn't say no to them because I
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Speaker 3: think it's goofy. I would say no to them because
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Speaker 3: I do believe in that stuff and you don't mess
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Speaker 3: with it. And that's the message of the movie Hereditary,
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Speaker 3: in my opinion. And the fact that evil wins in
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Speaker 3: the end, I think it hits you hard just how
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Speaker 3: serious it is if you mess with the occult, even
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Speaker 3: just a little bit.
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Speaker 1: And I think Ari Aster's movies, I've seen three of
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Speaker 1: his four, I think they're sort of right-coded, so he's
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Speaker 1: kind of a funny guy to pick on, because I
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Speaker 1: think that he's probably one of us just closeted about it.
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Speaker 1: And maybe not even entirely, because his last one, Eddington,
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Speaker 1: which pretty much openly, that.
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Speaker 2: Is a center-right movie, if there is one in pop
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Speaker 2: culture right now. Oh, yeah. It's the, and he's, so
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Speaker 2: we're to pick on him.
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Speaker 1: That did kind of make me think that this wasn't
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Speaker 1: a fully fleshed out thought because again, John, we've talked
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Speaker 1: about this so much over the years. How often is
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Speaker 1: the government the hero of a story? And I could
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Speaker 1: think of, I think there's a movie called The Insider
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Speaker 1: from like 20 years ago that I remember liking that
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Speaker 1: I think the government's the hero on that.
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Speaker 2: But I think that's it.
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Speaker 1: Like I've got one example and there's a million examples
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Speaker 1: of people of faith, the people who are just heroic
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Speaker 1: in general, people vanquishing evil. Usually over time, as I'm saying,
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Speaker 1: you take a thousand movies, in general, good is going
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Speaker 1: to prevail. And occasionally you get a nihilistic one that's
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Speaker 1: still good. But I'm willing to sit through a movie
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Speaker 1: that is not justifiable every once in a while if
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Speaker 1: it means that we are establishing freedom for people to
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Speaker 1: create things where good does win out, which is going
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Speaker 1: to happen more often than not.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is.
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Speaker 3: And even something like, like I mentioned Last House on
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Speaker 3: the Left or Henry Portrait of a Serial Killer, they
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Speaker 3: do remind you that evil is out there.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 3: And that's a good thing to know, just to understand
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Speaker 3: how depraved people can be. And in reality, movies can't
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Speaker 3: really touch how depraved people can become because it's just,
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Speaker 3: it's that ugly. But, you know, if you want to
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Speaker 3: know how depraved people get, watch, you know, get on
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Speaker 3: social media, watch True Crime on social media.
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Speaker 4: Totally.
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Speaker 2: You'll be awed by it.
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Speaker 4: Well, and that's interesting.
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Speaker 1: Allie also lumped in true crime with horror, and I
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Speaker 1: have no interest in true crime. I think for the
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Speaker 1: reason she's not interested in it, but I have tons
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Speaker 1: of interest in horror for the reasons, I think for
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Speaker 1: the reason she tries to avoid it, which is interesting.
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Speaker 1: Because it does seem overall it's about safety. It seems
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Speaker 1: like there's a case that this is not safe to
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Speaker 1: be able to traffic in these ideas. And I think
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Speaker 1: it is safe. I think it's like a dress rehearsal
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Speaker 1: for fearful things in your life. And One of the
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Speaker 1: things that's amazing about the horrors is that you feel
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Speaker 1: fear and then you realize you actually are safe. You're
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Speaker 1: in the confines of a movie theater or your living room.
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Speaker 1: And then, and I think that that's, that's a good,
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Speaker 1: that's a healthy thing because there's a lot of scary
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Speaker 1: stuff in the world and act like you were ignorant
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Speaker 1: of it.
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Speaker 2: I don't see how that's particularly Christian.
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Speaker 1: And that's why I ask you from a Christian perspective,
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Speaker 1: because I don't think there's a lot of biblical precedent
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Speaker 1: for trying to avoid fear.
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Speaker 2: No, no, there's not.
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Speaker 3: And another area where she might have a point is
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Speaker 3: that some people can take the wrong message out of it.
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Speaker 2: We see that a lot.
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Speaker 5: Totally. Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And I do find that, you know, I'm close to
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Speaker 2: a horror completionist.
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Speaker 1: I think I've seen most of the temple things, but
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Speaker 1: I have, if you go through the list of, you know,
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Speaker 1: the top horror movies ever, the ones that I get
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Speaker 1: the impression are going to be more nihilistic or maybe,
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Speaker 1: you know, gratuitously anti-Christian. I do find myself avoiding those
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Speaker 1: and not actually not selecting those.
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Speaker 2: Out of the list.
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Speaker 1: But it doesn't mean that the vast majority of, I
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Speaker 1: find that there is some nutritional value to the vast
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Speaker 1: majority of horror movies that I watch. I find that
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Speaker 1: there's something in it that I glean that is enriching.
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Speaker 1: And I think it's exciting. And I think it's the
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Speaker 1: sort of thing where I, I, it was an interesting
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Speaker 1: bone to pick and it became a real phenomenon. Any
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Speaker 1: other thoughts on this, John, before I ask you some
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Speaker 1: other things?
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Speaker 3: I think there's a natural morality to most horror movies,
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Speaker 3: which is why you get the last girl. She's always
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Speaker 3: the sweet virgin.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the final girl, yeah. That was all done subconsciously.
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Speaker 2: That was never delivered.
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Speaker 3: People just understand that good has to overcome evil, and
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Speaker 3: in general, that's what these movies portray.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, interesting.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so, John, let's talk about, it's Halloween season, and
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Speaker 1: you've got recommendations for everyone. I want to get recommendations
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Speaker 1: this year for people who are only watch a couple
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Speaker 1: of horror movies a year and they're not going to
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Speaker 1: want to see something that is super gratuitous or maybe
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Speaker 1: they're not, they're not going to want, you know, any
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Speaker 1: of the torture porn type stuff, even though it's sort
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Speaker 1: of a silly way to sum up a bunch of stuff. And,
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Speaker 1: but you, you know what I mean here? Things that
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Speaker 1: if you're showing your wife or girlfriend or boyfriend and
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Speaker 1: you're looking for one or two things you're going to
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Speaker 1: watch for this weekend, what are we looking at that
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Speaker 1: you feel like is accessible to, for people that you
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Speaker 1: think is pretty good and might be a little off
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Speaker 1: the beaten path.
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Speaker 3: I would, I mean, there's three things I always recommend, um,
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Speaker 3: around this time of year for people that, that are
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Speaker 3: looking for just horror.
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Speaker 2: That's fun.
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Speaker 3: Maybe a little suspenseful, but it's not gonna, it's not
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Speaker 3: gonna revolt you. And I always recommend the, uh, the
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Speaker 3: hammer series, uh, the, the Christopher Lee Dracula movies. I
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Speaker 3: think there's seven of them and they're just wonderful. And
12:44
Speaker 3: or the Hammer series with Peter Cushing, where he plays Dr.
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Speaker 2: Frankenstein.
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Speaker 3: And that's seven or eight movies. And there's some real
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Speaker 3: gems in there. Not all the movies are great, but
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Speaker 3: there are some really, really great movies in there. And
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Speaker 3: then people can always stream the Night Stalker series, which
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Speaker 3: is a television series that came out in the early
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Speaker 3: 70s with Darren McGavin. And that that series has lasted
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Speaker 3: as long as it has. There's two movies, the Night
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Speaker 3: Stalker and the Night Strangler. They're TV movies and they
13:11
Speaker 3: were the highest rated movies. at the time when they
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Speaker 3: came out. And then they did one season of about
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Speaker 3: 20 episodes and it's a monster of the week, uh, show,
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Speaker 3: but it's, it's, you know, it's about this crusading reporter
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Speaker 3: in California, in Chicago, uh, Carl Kolchak, and he runs into,
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Speaker 3: into actual monsters and nobody believes him in the government
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Speaker 3: covers it up. And it's good because it can be
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Speaker 3: very suspenseful because.
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Speaker 2: He always has to be the one to vanquish the monster.
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Speaker 3: Um, But it's also good just to see a show
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Speaker 3: about a journalist who tells the truth, which, of course,
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Speaker 3: is total fiction today. But it's a good thing to
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Speaker 3: remember that at one time there was someone willing to,
13:53
Speaker 3: you know, television did show actual journalists doing good things
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Speaker 3: and you believed it.
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Speaker 2: I like those recommendations. And the Hammer ones are, that
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Speaker 2: is good.
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Speaker 1: I sometimes look at, maybe pick stuff out that might
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Speaker 1: have some sort of value beyond that.
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Speaker 2: Just the scares of it all.
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Speaker 1: Like, I think about things where, like, when they were
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Speaker 1: really good practical effects movies, anything like that, that come
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Speaker 1: to mind that you think is.
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Speaker 2: Just impressive to watch. Like, I showed Mrs. Dr. Marlowe
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Speaker 2: the blob this year.
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Speaker 1: We actually went to the New Beverly and did a
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Speaker 1: double feature, John, with Friday the 13th Part 3, Dream Warriors,
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Speaker 1: which was epic. And then the blob from the 80s. And,
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Speaker 1: you know, the practical effects are mind-blowing. Like, there's no
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Speaker 1: CGI involved. It's all creating a big pink slime monster.
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Speaker 1: that is eating the town, and you can't even figure
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Speaker 1: out how genius it must have been. And that's the
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Speaker 1: type of stuff that it does add for people, especially
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Speaker 1: if you see it with a group, because everyone's just amazed.
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Speaker 2: They're in awe of it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, the 80s blob movie is one of the
14:55
Speaker 3: great remakes. And another great remake is the 1978 Invasion
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Speaker 3: of the Body Snatchers with Donald Sutherland. And you don't,
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Speaker 3: you know, the thing... John Carpenter's The Thing is a
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Speaker 3: great remake. And there's a lot of, the 80s, to me,
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Speaker 3: hit the sweet spot with horror movies because they're scary,
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Speaker 3: but they're also fun.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Not trying to, you know, blacken your soul.
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Speaker 3: So those, those are, those are inoffensive in a lot
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Speaker 3: of ways, though they can be very gory.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Everybody always teases me because they say, well, do you
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Speaker 3: like Friday the 13th? And I say, yeah, I liked
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Speaker 3: the first eight, but after that, it got dumb.
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Speaker 2: That's hilarious.
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Speaker 3: The first eight, except for the, Fifth one, I think,
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Speaker 3: or the fourth one are, you know, they're just they're
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Speaker 3: just fun movies and fun. Yeah. And when you have
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Speaker 3: The Walking Dead on regular television now, those those early
15:48
Speaker 3: horror movies of the 80s don't look very violent at all.
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Speaker 2: It's a good point.
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Speaker 1: Also, the thing is a contender for me for greatest
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Speaker 1: of all time. I mean, I always have The Exorcist
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Speaker 1: on that list and then Dawn of the Dead for me.
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Speaker 1: I know you're a Texas Chainsaw Guy. You're number one famously,
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Speaker 1: but the thing is pretty mind-blowing. If you guys haven't
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Speaker 1: seen it, then you're going to freak out. That's all
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Speaker 1: I got to say. It's a true masterwork. And flopped
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Speaker 1: at the box office because E.T. had just come out
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Speaker 1: and people wanted a happy, cute alien and they didn't
16:19
Speaker 1: like the idea of an alien that was It's really
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Speaker 1: an apocalypse movie. It's really about how we're all dead, basically. Like,
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Speaker 1: that's kind of the point. If you read between the
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Speaker 1: lines on the thing. But a true masterpiece. A true masterpiece, indeed.
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Speaker 1: Anything else that you would recommend to throw out to people?
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Speaker 2: Any other ideas?
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Speaker 3: Well, I always recommend the Universal horror movies. The originals
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Speaker 3: with Frankenstein and Wolfman.
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Speaker 1: Okay, what age is good to start with that? Because
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Speaker 1: I've been wondering about this for my little guys.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, you know, kids... You can watch those.
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Speaker 3: They're fun, scary. They're not too intense. The originals, as
16:59
Speaker 3: you get into the sequels, they get a little cheaper,
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Speaker 3: but the original, the design on them, just the mood
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Speaker 3: of it is just stunning. And I think little kids
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Speaker 3: would have a great time watching. I remember watching those
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Speaker 3: when I was about your kid's age, 9, 8, 7,
17:14
Speaker 3: and you cover your eyes and the monster scares you,
17:17
Speaker 3: but they're not over the top. And it's good to...
17:21
Speaker 3: And the movies are short. They're like 60, 70, 75
17:25
Speaker 3: minutes long. So that's pretty good for today's attention span.
17:28
Speaker 3: But it's good to wean kids on older movies. Otherwise,
17:32
Speaker 3: their attention span is blown out by the stuff that
17:36
Speaker 3: comes out today.
17:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is wild. It's like everything's three hours. I
17:40
Speaker 2: don't understand.
17:40
Speaker 1: I don't understand that. What do you make of modern
17:43
Speaker 1: horror right now? Because it's definitely having a moment and
17:47
Speaker 1: it's incredibly popular. It's... does, does gangbusters at the, at
17:52
Speaker 1: the box office. There's all sorts of different horror is popular. Uh,
17:56
Speaker 1: there's sort of the nihilistic tongue in cheek type, uh, gory,
18:01
Speaker 1: bloody stuff is very popular right now. Some of the, uh,
18:04
Speaker 1: the more high concept stuff is popular right now. I mean,
18:07
Speaker 1: there's all sorts of different things are working. I don't
18:11
Speaker 1: necessarily feel like the quality of the movies are any
18:14
Speaker 1: better than prior genres. And I am, I mean, I mean,
18:17
Speaker 1: prior eras, uh, And some of the super popular ones
18:21
Speaker 1: now I've been kind of lukewarm on. Like I was
18:23
Speaker 1: not an Obsession fan, which is the hottest thing this year.
18:27
Speaker 2: Did you see Obsession, John? I haven't seen Obsession or
18:30
Speaker 2: Back Rooms yet. I can't wait.
18:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't wait to get your take
18:34
Speaker 1: on it. I found Obsession to be like a really
18:36
Speaker 1: good student film. It was kind of how I felt
18:39
Speaker 1: like it was and for whatever reason. Look, I hate
18:43
Speaker 1: to be overly judgmental. I just felt like it got
18:44
Speaker 1: so much hype that it didn't hit there. Back Rooms,
18:48
Speaker 1: I think I liked about equal, so good, but not
18:52
Speaker 1: sure I got all the hype for it. But what
18:55
Speaker 1: do you make of the fact that genre is having
18:58
Speaker 1: such a big moment right now?
19:01
Speaker 3: I've seen some newer horror movies that I did like.
19:07
Speaker 3: I saw Eli Roth's Thanksgiving. And that was a throwback
19:11
Speaker 3: really to the eighties. Um, because it was mostly in
19:16
Speaker 3: camera effects.
19:17
Speaker 2: It's not CGI.
19:17
Speaker 3: There's some CGI, but for the most part, and it's
19:20
Speaker 3: just fun. It's a movie that understands it's fun in
19:22
Speaker 3: the last half hour is pretty intense. Um, but for
19:25
Speaker 3: the most part, when I watch my, they just don't
19:29
Speaker 3: do much for me because they're not fun.
19:31
Speaker 4: Yeah.
19:32
Speaker 3: They're determined to be intense. They're determined to get under
19:35
Speaker 3: your skin and make you feel bad. Um, and all the,
19:41
Speaker 3: there's just no, and that makes them forgettable.
19:45
Speaker 2: You remember how a movie makes you feel.
19:47
Speaker 3: And if you're just sort of watching this thing, and
19:50
Speaker 3: it's trying to get to you, I forgot there's a movie. Oh,
19:54
Speaker 3: I forgot the name of it that I thought was
19:56
Speaker 3: amazing where these two couples get into an Airbnb accidentally.
20:03
Speaker 3: And then they find all this stuff in the basement.
20:05
Speaker 3: I wish I could remember that movie. Um, But that
20:09
Speaker 3: was a movie.
20:11
Speaker 2: I remember the movie. I don't remember the title.
20:13
Speaker 4: Barbarian?
20:14
Speaker 2: Does that sound familiar to you? Was it Barbarian? I
20:17
Speaker 2: think it's Barbarian. Barbarian, yeah.
20:18
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
20:19
Speaker 1: And that's the same guy who did Weapons, which we
20:21
Speaker 1: talked about recently, which was one of the best of
20:25
Speaker 1: the century, I think.
20:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, and those two movies were special. Yeah, yeah. And
20:30
Speaker 2: that one has a pretty.
20:31
Speaker 1: Sweet twist in it where it goes a totally different
20:33
Speaker 1: direction halfway through, which I always find those fun to
20:35
Speaker 1: do that.
20:36
Speaker 5: Yeah.
20:37
Speaker 1: Yeah no obsession in back rooms are both not um
20:41
Speaker 1: they're they're both on the fun side so um that
20:44
Speaker 1: will so they might uh you might find yourself liking
20:47
Speaker 1: those so i'm curious to see what you think come
20:49
Speaker 1: back and tell me what you think of those yeah
20:51
Speaker 1: there's another hot one this year called hokum which did
20:54
Speaker 1: very well um which was there was this unbelievable preview
20:58
Speaker 1: with all this Irish chanting in it. And then there
21:01
Speaker 1: was a super scary mask in the preview. And I
21:05
Speaker 1: saw that when it was good, but there's only like
21:07
Speaker 1: two scenes with the guy with the scary mask.
21:09
Speaker 2: And like, I wanted more of the mask scene.
21:11
Speaker 1: Like, do you remember the, the witch, the Robert Eggers
21:14
Speaker 1: movie from like, 10, 12 years ago, John.
21:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do remember that, yeah.
21:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, which was very, very interesting. I'll watch anything that
21:21
Speaker 1: guy does because he's interesting. Even though I don't always
21:23
Speaker 1: love it, I just find him interesting. But they've got
21:26
Speaker 1: this great, the bad guy turns out to be this goat,
21:28
Speaker 1: Black Phillip. And he's the one who starts saying to
21:33
Speaker 1: the hoplond.
21:34
Speaker 2: Would you like to live deliciously?
21:36
Speaker 1: And that's my guy. I want a black Phillip movie. Like,
21:39
Speaker 1: why do we wait? Why do we have to wait
21:41
Speaker 1: for an hour and a half to get the black Phillip?
21:43
Speaker 1: I want a whole thing. I want to see black
21:45
Speaker 1: Phillip do his dirty work. And I didn't get that.
21:48
Speaker 1: I got a couple of scenes of black Phillip.
21:49
Speaker 3: And the other thing I miss, and I know I'm
21:52
Speaker 3: going to catch y'all for this. I missed the, the,
21:56
Speaker 3: the sexiness. They've taken all the sexiness out of horror movies.
22:00
Speaker 3: And I really, I I'm, I'm not looking to look
22:03
Speaker 3: at some young girl naked, but that was just part
22:06
Speaker 3: of the fun. And it's just, it's just too bad
22:10
Speaker 3: because we're such, our culture has become really disgusting and
22:17
Speaker 3: yet prudes. It's like you're disgusting prudes. Really disgusting stuff
22:23
Speaker 3: is okay. But, you know, Sylvia, Sydney, Sydney, Sydney, Sydney,
22:31
Speaker 3: you know, is a monster.
22:32
Speaker 4: Yeah.
22:33
Speaker 3: But all this gross stuff that, you know, being on
22:35
Speaker 3: OnlyFans is OK.
22:37
Speaker 2: And it's the culture is totally upside down.
22:39
Speaker 1: John, I know you probably don't have time to listen
22:41
Speaker 1: to my shows, but this has been a big theme
22:42
Speaker 1: lately is that we're simultaneously we're outing Lindsey Graham. But
22:47
Speaker 1: we love the Cornell rape hoaxer who's getting gangbanged at
22:51
Speaker 1: the frat party.
22:52
Speaker 2: Like she she's a hero for.
22:55
Speaker 1: Taking down seven dudes at the frat party and but
22:59
Speaker 1: lindsey graham were outing him from beyond the grave so
23:01
Speaker 1: they were super prude and were hyper aggressive with the
23:04
Speaker 1: sexual stuff and i always thought that the this is
23:07
Speaker 1: a age-old thing where the left loves sex workers and
23:11
Speaker 1: hates their patrons and i always found that to be
23:15
Speaker 1: completely irreconcilable and no one's ever asked the left can
23:19
Speaker 1: you explain this why you hate all the people who
23:22
Speaker 1: consume the content or patronize the sex workers.
23:25
Speaker 2: And they would never have an answer to that.
23:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like if Sidney Sweeney is a villain because
23:31
Speaker 3: she's trying to attract men.
23:34
Speaker 4: Yes.
23:35
Speaker 3: But if she were on OnlyFans doing gross stuff to
23:40
Speaker 3: prove how empowered she is as a woman and not
23:44
Speaker 3: trying to attract men, just proving her empowerment, that's okay.
23:47
Speaker 3: So a woman can degrade herself in any way in
23:51
Speaker 3: ways you and I can't even imagine, and that's empowerment,
23:55
Speaker 3: and that's okay, but Sidney Sweeney just trying to attract
23:59
Speaker 3: men to a betting site using her beauty is, you know,
24:06
Speaker 3: I don't know how to reconcile with the fact that
24:08
Speaker 3: I'm a Christian, but I think there's a place for
24:10
Speaker 3: tasteful eroticism and That is off-limits now. You can only
24:16
Speaker 3: degrade yourself.
24:17
Speaker 1: It actually makes sense in our conversation, in our context
24:20
Speaker 1: of the horror stuff, is that I think it's an
24:22
Speaker 1: environment where there are parameters, and it's a set time limit.
24:26
Speaker 1: They don't go on love scenes in a movie, or
24:30
Speaker 1: they don't go on forever. They're typically not gratuitous in
24:33
Speaker 1: mainstream stuff, and it is a part of humanity. It's
24:36
Speaker 1: part of the human condition, the human experience, is that
24:38
Speaker 1: we want to fall in love and be romantic and
24:41
Speaker 1: be intimate with a significant other. And a lot of
24:44
Speaker 1: the time, the stuff in mainstream films can be more
24:47
Speaker 1: tasteful than a lot of the stuff that's online at
24:49
Speaker 1: our fingertips. And it's probably a healthier way to consume
24:52
Speaker 1: some of that content, which is a, I have no
24:55
Speaker 1: problem with that at all. And in fact, I do
24:56
Speaker 1: feel like it creates the environment in a theater that
25:00
Speaker 1: we want. Like we want to have, feel certain things
25:03
Speaker 1: when we're being entertained. And I find that it's amazing
25:07
Speaker 1: how we've taken the sex out of the mainstream movies,
25:11
Speaker 1: and then we've just hyped it up at a crazy
25:13
Speaker 1: level on the internet. If that's healthier, it of course
25:16
Speaker 1: is much less healthy, and you can see it in
25:17
Speaker 1: the way we're behaving towards one another. We took the
25:20
Speaker 1: sex out of the cinemaplexes, and then we added it
25:23
Speaker 1: nonstop on our phone, and now we have huge intimacy issues.
25:27
Speaker 1: But again, who's having these conversations? Yeah, and the stuff
25:32
Speaker 1: on the internet is gross. Whereas the stuff in the movies,
25:35
Speaker 1: in an R-rated movie, it was tasteful.
25:37
Speaker 2: It was fun.
25:39
Speaker 1: But the fun is huge. I think that's one reason
25:41
Speaker 1: why people hate Sweeney is because she's fun. I think
25:43
Speaker 1: that people resent that, that she seems to have a
25:45
Speaker 1: great time.
25:47
Speaker 2: How dear her.
25:49
Speaker 4: Yeah.
25:49
Speaker 1: John, I got, I got two minutes, but give me
25:52
Speaker 1: your quick take on the, my, my, I feel like
25:56
Speaker 1: fake news made a comeback this election. I feel like
25:58
Speaker 1: there's been so many hoaxes that have been out there
26:01
Speaker 1: and I just want a quick, your quick thoughts.
26:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just wrote a piece about 60 Minutes. Everybody thinks, oh,
26:08
Speaker 3: Barry Weiss is going to change things and Skydance is
26:12
Speaker 3: going to change things and David Ellison is going to
26:13
Speaker 3: change things.
26:14
Speaker 2: Nothing's going to change.
26:16
Speaker 3: They just ran a segment about this poor illegal alien
26:18
Speaker 3: who got deported to Ghana. He's a husband and father.
26:24
Speaker 3: And then from Ghana, he was shipped back to his
26:26
Speaker 3: home country of Mali where he claimed he was going
26:28
Speaker 3: to be persecuted. But 60 Minutes deliberately left out the
26:31
Speaker 3: fact that this guy lied.
26:34
Speaker 2: To gain refugee status.
26:36
Speaker 3: He claimed he was gay and he didn't want to
26:38
Speaker 3: go back to Mali because Mali is, is Islamic and
26:40
Speaker 3: he thought he'd be persecuted. So, uh, the, the Trump
26:44
Speaker 3: people sent him to Ghana and then Ghana shifted to
26:46
Speaker 3: Mali probably because they found out he wasn't gay. He
26:48
Speaker 3: committed immigration fraud. And that's something that the 60 minutes
26:53
Speaker 3: hid from their viewers were that aired 10 days before
26:56
Speaker 3: a major election that aired while people are voting a
26:59
Speaker 3: whole woe is me story about a guy who committed
27:01
Speaker 3: immigration fraud. And the, The thing that I took away
27:05
Speaker 3: from that is that my guess is that 60 Minutes
27:07
Speaker 3: spent an enormous amount of time and an enormous amount
27:11
Speaker 3: of money looking for the sorriest case they could find
27:14
Speaker 3: of a deportation. And this was the sorriest they could find. Right.
27:18
Speaker 3: And they still had to lie. They still had to
27:22
Speaker 3: cover up the basic truth of why he was deported
27:26
Speaker 3: in order to make him seem innocent.
27:28
Speaker 2: Sympathetic.
27:29
Speaker 3: So that just tells me that everybody who's getting deported
27:32
Speaker 3: needs to be deported, because if that's the most sympathetic
27:34
Speaker 3: guy they could find, the more I hear about these deportations,
27:38
Speaker 3: the happier I am.
27:40
Speaker 2: So right.
27:41
Speaker 1: It's so right on. It's the most important part of
27:42
Speaker 1: the agenda right now. And I do feel like whatever
27:45
Speaker 1: happens in the midterms, the deportations can continue. And there'll
27:49
Speaker 1: be if we lose the house, the Republicans lose the house.
27:52
Speaker 1: I'm not supposed to say we if the Republicans lose
27:54
Speaker 1: the house. then we know there's going to be some problems,
27:59
Speaker 1: but we should keep the deportations rolling. All right, John Nolte,
28:02
Speaker 1: read everything he writes at Breitbart News at NolteNC on X,
28:05
Speaker 1: the Everything app. He's got a fantastic book called Borrowed Time,
28:08
Speaker 1: which I've read three times, and you'll read again one
28:11
Speaker 1: day because it is fantastic and should be optioned into
28:13
Speaker 1: a movie, I believe. And not overly scary. There's a
28:17
Speaker 1: couple of scary puppets, but not overly scary. So those
28:20
Speaker 1: of you who are More prudish?
28:22
Speaker 2: Probably. But those who are more prudish, you can still
28:24
Speaker 2: handle it. John, fantastic. Great to see you. Let's do
28:26
Speaker 2: this more often.
28:27
Speaker 3: All right, buddy.
28:28
Speaker 2: Thank you.
28:28
Speaker 1: All right. One of my favorite people in the conservative
28:33
Speaker 1: movement is Wynton Hall, who I first became aware of
28:36
Speaker 1: when I was a student at Berkeley. And he was
28:38
Speaker 1: speaking on a panel at the Young America's Foundation where
28:41
Speaker 1: he's on the board over there. They do great work
28:43
Speaker 1: bringing speakers to campus, et cetera. And I was very
28:45
Speaker 1: impressed by him. And little did I know that we
28:47
Speaker 1: would work together for a decade and a half at
28:49
Speaker 1: this point.
28:50
Speaker 2: He's our social media director at Breitbart.
28:52
Speaker 1: He's also the author of the New York Times bestselling book,
28:54
Speaker 1: Code Red, which breaks down really the present and future
28:58
Speaker 1: of AI, which is a huge warning about why we
29:03
Speaker 1: must be China, what the stakes are, and a lot
29:05
Speaker 1: of pitfalls. It's overall, I would say, somewhat optimistic approach,
29:08
Speaker 1: but also with a lot of negative things to say
29:11
Speaker 1: about the current state of AI. So we're going to
29:13
Speaker 1: touch on both of those today. And I'm going to
29:15
Speaker 1: start with, Wynton, from the social media perspective first. you
29:18
Speaker 1: keep an eye on the dials and people listen to
29:20
Speaker 1: my show will know I'll sometimes say I look at
29:22
Speaker 1: my dials and it's really you're really looking at my
29:24
Speaker 1: dials and telling me what you're seeing and that's kind
29:26
Speaker 1: of what that that's code for that shorthand for that
29:29
Speaker 1: and so what are you seeing this time around in
29:32
Speaker 1: terms of what is resonating with normal audiences.
29:38
Speaker 2: On the social media apps?
29:39
Speaker 1: Which is, for a fact, I hate that it's true,
29:42
Speaker 1: but it is true that a lot of people's favorite
29:46
Speaker 1: news apps are now the social platforms. I wish the
29:49
Speaker 1: Breitbart app was number one, and the Breitbart app does great.
29:52
Speaker 1: I mean, and thank you for the millions of people
29:53
Speaker 1: who read our stories on it, but it's the number
29:56
Speaker 1: one's X, and Meta is obviously huge for this. Instagram's
29:59
Speaker 1: huge for it. There's so much news out there in
30:02
Speaker 1: the social platforms. What's resonating with people?
30:05
Speaker 5: Yeah, right now, it is amazing to watch when you're
30:09
Speaker 5: at 30,000 feet on the dashboards watching analytics all day,
30:13
Speaker 5: right before this election.
30:14
Speaker 4: What I'm seeing right now, Alex, and I think it's
30:16
Speaker 4: really important, and I hope, uh, The.
30:18
Speaker 5: Campaigns and the Trump administration and others are watching these
30:22
Speaker 5: styles very well. The left is very organized right now.
30:26
Speaker 5: They're very disciplined on their messaging. They are very coordinated
30:30
Speaker 5: on their messaging. And obviously, it's all attack pieces on
30:34
Speaker 5: the Trump administration, different Senate candidates in the key races,
30:38
Speaker 5: House as well. One of the most interesting things that
30:42
Speaker 5: I'm seeing emerge this cycle that has been, I think,
30:45
Speaker 5: a little different, they're really using Reddit as like a launchpad.
30:51
Speaker 5: And what they do is they get a couple of
30:53
Speaker 5: these bottle rockets in flight, and then they swarm with
30:56
Speaker 5: all their influencer networks, to amplify their message.
31:00
Speaker 4: It's very impressive.
31:01
Speaker 5: Now, we know that Alex, and you've done some amazing
31:04
Speaker 5: reporting on Reid Hoffman and Alex Soros and all of
31:09
Speaker 5: this money network. They have the resources, the money, the
31:13
Speaker 5: technical expertise to really do a coordinated social media push
31:17
Speaker 5: for So it's a lot going on right now. As
31:20
Speaker 5: far as the more hopeful things that are, I think,
31:23
Speaker 5: emerging right now, anytime you see fight back content right now,
31:28
Speaker 5: the administration getting micro wins or macro wins, those are
31:31
Speaker 5: doing well. Our audience is also, I think, very interested
31:35
Speaker 5: in more inspirational stories, not even necessarily faith-based stories doing
31:40
Speaker 5: exceptionally well. And in many ways, I think that's a
31:42
Speaker 5: really healthy sign, right? That, you know, people are living
31:44
Speaker 5: their lives, right? They know what their values are. They
31:47
Speaker 5: know how they're going to vote. But they also want
31:49
Speaker 5: to be able to look at other things as well.
31:51
Speaker 5: And then there is some sports content that's been doing well.
31:53
Speaker 5: But I've seen a very, very tight, organized social media
31:59
Speaker 5: campaign that I think eclipses in many ways what I've
32:03
Speaker 5: seen in other midterm elections. We did see the Kamala
32:06
Speaker 5: Harris and the Biden teams in the presidential cycles. but
32:10
Speaker 5: a midterm operation that's very, very focused right now. And hopefully,
32:15
Speaker 5: you know, conservatives are going to show up at the
32:17
Speaker 5: polls and combat it.
32:19
Speaker 1: So one of the things that has been interesting to
32:21
Speaker 1: track in this age of rapid advancement in media and
32:24
Speaker 1: how people consume content, I mean, famously, a joint Harvard-MIT
32:29
Speaker 1: study pointed out that Breitbart was number one on socials
32:31
Speaker 1: in the 2016 election, and that was probably a huge
32:34
Speaker 1: reason why Trump won, if not maybe the biggest reason
32:36
Speaker 1: why Trump won, And that prompted so much of the
32:38
Speaker 1: freak out with the advertiser boycotts that started with Breitbart
32:41
Speaker 1: and really expanded elsewhere. And then Mark Zuckerberg, who probably
32:45
Speaker 1: some guilt over this, getting involved in basically buying the
32:47
Speaker 1: election for Biden in 2020, which I guess he didn't
32:50
Speaker 1: like how that went because he seems like he's kind
32:51
Speaker 1: of a Trump guy now, which is wild. But so
32:54
Speaker 1: it's good to track where the social, like who's dominating.
32:58
Speaker 1: There was a really striking thing that I saw on
33:03
Speaker 1: the New York Times had a writer named, her name is,
33:06
Speaker 1: I'm looking at now, Ana Ayanova, who wrote this headline,
33:10
Speaker 1: Brazil's leftist president accuses Meta of helping his right-wing opponent.
33:15
Speaker 1: So Lula da Silva saying that Meta was helping Bolsonaro.
33:19
Speaker 1: And then after Lula won, the same author writes the story,
33:23
Speaker 1: the digital army that catapulted Lula to victory in Brazil.
33:27
Speaker 1: So basically, right, that actually it was Lula who won
33:30
Speaker 1: the socials and he was initially getting ready to claim
33:32
Speaker 1: election interference by Bolsonaro or some sort. and saying that
33:35
Speaker 1: Zuckerberg was rigging it for Bolsonaro. But it just shows
33:39
Speaker 1: you how close everyone is paying attention to what's trending
33:42
Speaker 1: on these platforms, Wynton, and what you're describing to me
33:44
Speaker 1: is not a good sign for Republicans thus far.
33:47
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm going to say something I've never said publicly.
33:51
Speaker 5: You have heard me talk about this. In 2016, when
33:56
Speaker 5: I was, that was at the very early, many years
33:59
Speaker 5: before we were as advanced as we are on social,
34:04
Speaker 5: I was running our social. I had no dashboards. I
34:09
Speaker 5: had no analytics.
34:10
Speaker 4: Yeah.
34:12
Speaker 5: I would watch what you were doing on the front page,
34:18
Speaker 5: do my interpretation of it for social, either in memes
34:22
Speaker 5: or what, and we were basically running and gunning from
34:26
Speaker 5: the hip. And you're right, the MIT study, Columbia Journalism Review,
34:31
Speaker 5: all these huge studies that.
34:34
Speaker 4: knew our analytics far better at the.
34:36
Speaker 5: Time than I did because I did not have the
34:40
Speaker 5: data-driven strategy that I would ultimately devise and that we
34:44
Speaker 5: would work on at Breitbart.
34:46
Speaker 4: But that goes to this point. Now.
34:50
Speaker 5: And this is your point. Everybody has data analytics. Every
34:54
Speaker 5: team is down to the decimal watching dials.
34:58
Speaker 4: And often when.
34:59
Speaker 5: People see the sophistication of a major organization, social analytics team,
35:05
Speaker 5: and what we built and the way you have dashboards
35:08
Speaker 5: and everything's moving in real time, you've got omni-channel access
35:13
Speaker 5: to multiple platforms, whatever they are. um, you start to
35:17
Speaker 5: realize that people get very sophisticated for less cost. And
35:21
Speaker 5: that plus the fact of the money advantage that the
35:25
Speaker 5: dark money, uh, networks on the left, the Arabella advisors,
35:29
Speaker 5: all of these huge, massive, massive troves of money have
35:33
Speaker 5: gives them an enormous advantage. And the, Not to mention
35:37
Speaker 5: the fact that, you know, 85% of all political donations
35:40
Speaker 5: in Silicon Valley flow to Democrats. If you're talking about,
35:44
Speaker 5: you know, the actual employees of big tech. So a
35:47
Speaker 5: lot of those folks give their technical sophistication. Duskin Moskovitz,
35:51
Speaker 5: one of the co-founders of Facebook, is one of the
35:54
Speaker 5: biggest Democrat donors and has, you know, an enormous influence
35:58
Speaker 5: on the technological sophistication. It's real-time information or political warfare there.
36:04
Speaker 5: And that's why, again, Republican National Committee, all these folks,
36:09
Speaker 5: they've got to really, really be sprinting. Now, the Trump
36:12
Speaker 5: administration's had a very, I think, smart and creative social team.
36:17
Speaker 4: The White House team, I think they've done a very
36:20
Speaker 4: good job.
36:21
Speaker 5: But it's hard, even with their resources, to keep up
36:25
Speaker 5: with what the left is doing.
36:27
Speaker 2: Yeah.
36:27
Speaker 1: And it's noteworthy how the hypocrisy is no one even
36:31
Speaker 1: cares anymore.
36:32
Speaker 2: And we're entering an era where nothing matters. And I
36:34
Speaker 2: find this so bleak and horrible.
36:36
Speaker 1: And I love to be a real uplifting voice on
36:40
Speaker 1: the show, but it just seems like nothing matters. I mean,
36:43
Speaker 1: it's just constant haranguing about how Musk is trying to
36:45
Speaker 1: buy the election now, even though, first of all, Zuckerberg
36:49
Speaker 1: bought the 2020 election for Biden.
36:50
Speaker 2: He did. He just flat out did.
36:51
Speaker 1: And Facebook is, it seems like they're making some, some
36:55
Speaker 1: market improvements in the recent era. They're appointing a lot
36:58
Speaker 1: of the sort of Trump aligned conservatives and Zuckerberg seems
37:01
Speaker 1: like a different guy. So I'm not trying to only
37:03
Speaker 1: trash Zuckerberg and, but it's a, that's an unbelievable thing
37:07
Speaker 1: that happened. And then now we're getting, Musk is getting criticized,
37:10
Speaker 1: even though Musk joined the Trump administration. I thought probably
37:14
Speaker 1: to try to convince Trump to keep the EV tax cut,
37:19
Speaker 1: the EV tax credit, which Trump threw out anyway over
37:22
Speaker 1: Musk's objections. And then Musk is still donating tons to
37:25
Speaker 1: Republicans and conservatives, which is super fascinating. And then we're
37:28
Speaker 1: acting like that's an outrage, even though every major Democrat
37:31
Speaker 1: is featured on Alex Soros' Instagram page, posing with him.
37:36
Speaker 1: And Reid Hoffman is bankrolling guys like James Tallarico in Texas.
37:41
Speaker 4: And then no one cares.
37:42
Speaker 1: We're just going to attack Musk all day as if
37:44
Speaker 1: they're not doing the exact same stuff.
37:45
Speaker 5: That's exactly right, and have been for a long time.
37:48
Speaker 5: Bill Gates, a lot of this, and you and Peter
37:51
Speaker 5: Schweitzer do such good granular follow-the-money research. A lot of
37:56
Speaker 5: this stuff is done and shuttled and funneled through all
37:59
Speaker 5: kinds of this labyrinth of 501c4s and 501c3s and shell
38:02
Speaker 5: game of where all this money goes. these folks have
38:08
Speaker 5: been pumping, you know, hundreds of millions for, for over,
38:12
Speaker 5: you know, the last two decades. This is, they'll finally
38:16
Speaker 5: one time, uh, the right has their, their sort of large,
38:20
Speaker 5: you know, big, and he is, it's a very, you know,
38:22
Speaker 5: staggering sums of money.
38:23
Speaker 4: I'm not diminishing it.
38:25
Speaker 5: But this is, this is what they will do, which
38:27
Speaker 5: is now he is going to be the isolated target.
38:29
Speaker 5: They've already made it very clear what their intentions are.
38:32
Speaker 5: If they seize power and the in the House in
38:35
Speaker 5: the midterms in five days, which is, you know, Elon
38:38
Speaker 5: Musk is going to be public enemy number one, and
38:41
Speaker 5: they are going to try to target and crucify him.
38:45
Speaker 5: And then obviously they're going to go after all manner
38:47
Speaker 5: of people, whether it's Secretary of War Hegseth or others.
38:50
Speaker 5: But I think that it just shows it's a blood sport.
38:54
Speaker 5: You know, politics is a blood sport. And because of
38:58
Speaker 5: the power of of tech and the fact that AI
39:02
Speaker 5: is the.
39:03
Speaker 4: Tentpole of the U.S. economy.
39:05
Speaker 5: 40% of the S & P 500 is constituted around
39:09
Speaker 5: the magnificent seven, the seven largest tech companies. And that's
39:13
Speaker 5: not even including what we may have or may not
39:16
Speaker 5: have time to talk about, which is the upcoming IPOs
39:20
Speaker 5: opening on Anthropic. Well, let me just give you a
39:23
Speaker 5: quick unbelievable statistic. I mean, this is really unbelievable, and
39:28
Speaker 5: I need everybody to hear it, which is... If you
39:31
Speaker 5: look at the valuations of what SpaceX did for its IPO,
39:35
Speaker 5: what OpenAI and what Anthropic, just those three, right? Just
39:40
Speaker 5: those three combined is $ 5. 2 trillion with a T dollars.
39:47
Speaker 4: That is more than.
39:50
Speaker 5: Every tech IPO's initial first day market rate was. From
39:55
Speaker 5: 1980 to current combined.
39:59
Speaker 4: This is a massive moment in business history, let alone
40:03
Speaker 4: tech business history.
40:04
Speaker 5: And so when you think of the stakes and you
40:07
Speaker 5: think of the fact that, like I said before, 40%
40:10
Speaker 5: of the, basically a tentpole of the U.S. economy is
40:14
Speaker 5: this tech sector or a large piece of it, 40%
40:17
Speaker 5: of that S & P 500, you realize that this
40:20
Speaker 5: is going to be more money than we've ever seen.
40:22
Speaker 5: We're going to be minting billionaires in this anthropic IPO.
40:27
Speaker 5: And that, Alex, goes to your broader point. The EA,
40:31
Speaker 5: the effective altruist movement that is constituted around Anthropic, we're
40:35
Speaker 5: about to see a whole new generation of minted billionaires
40:41
Speaker 5: who are very much wedded to far left and woke policies.
40:45
Speaker 5: And so the right is going to have a fight
40:48
Speaker 5: on its hands like you can't imagine.
40:50
Speaker 4: Yes, there's an Elon Musk. He is a massive titan.
40:53
Speaker 5: But when you spawn 1,000 new George Soroses, you're going
40:58
Speaker 5: to be seeing this battle play out in the money
41:00
Speaker 5: wars for decades to come.
41:02
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's talk about those IPOs that are coming up.
41:05
Speaker 1: We got the OpenAI and Anthropic. Anthropic's been in the
41:08
Speaker 1: news a lot. I want you to tell us what's
41:10
Speaker 1: important about it, but what is the logic of, to
41:13
Speaker 1: your point, these three major IPOs, SpaceX, already taking place?
41:18
Speaker 2: Being worth so much.
41:20
Speaker 1: Why? Especially with SpaceX, I'm not 100% convinced SpaceX is
41:25
Speaker 1: like a big moneymaker down the road. And if you
41:29
Speaker 1: don't accept that we're going to be multi-planetary, I don't,
41:33
Speaker 1: I mean, I like the idea of SpaceX and I
41:35
Speaker 1: think it is everyone I talk to in the tech sector,
41:38
Speaker 1: you know, normal people who work there and are successful
41:42
Speaker 1: in that sector are Think SpaceX is Musk's best company
41:46
Speaker 1: and they have the best products and they have the
41:48
Speaker 1: best development and they have the best future out of them.
41:50
Speaker 1: But I still don't get where they're going to make money.
41:53
Speaker 1: And that is a thing. Like if you want to
41:54
Speaker 1: have a value, usually it's not just theoretical, just stuff
41:58
Speaker 1: in the ether. It's got to be that you have
42:00
Speaker 1: to make money on stuff. So I'm trying to understand
42:03
Speaker 1: why these things are worth so much more than things like,
42:06
Speaker 1: you know, NVIDIA, which is makes hardware that people need
42:09
Speaker 1: to use, like people need it, like, or else you
42:11
Speaker 1: can't do certain things. And so, and there, as I
42:13
Speaker 1: think Wynton, you pointed this out, they're sold out, their
42:16
Speaker 1: inventory sold out through 2028.
42:17
Speaker 4: So it's the.
42:19
Speaker 1: It's like, and we'll come back to Jensen a little bit,
42:22
Speaker 1: but it's the, as I, when you told me that
42:25
Speaker 1: on our editorial call, I said, no wonder.
42:26
Speaker 2: He always looks like he's so happy. He's like the
42:29
Speaker 2: world's happiest guy.
42:30
Speaker 1: Like, not only is he a hundred billionaire, but then
42:31
Speaker 1: he'll also, he doesn't have to make another sale for
42:34
Speaker 1: a year and a half.
42:35
Speaker 2: And I think that's unbelievable.
42:37
Speaker 1: So it's a, explain to me why these things are,
42:40
Speaker 1: the value's coming in so hot.
42:42
Speaker 4: Okay.
42:42
Speaker 5: It's a really important. So let's take it in the
42:44
Speaker 5: two ways you did your two buckets. Let's start with
42:46
Speaker 5: Elon and SpaceX. there you're talking about a lot of
42:50
Speaker 5: things around, you know, obviously a world-class rocket builder, but also,
42:54
Speaker 5: you know, the satellites and just space and in tech
42:57
Speaker 5: in general. So, Think about this. Elon wants to put
43:02
Speaker 5: data centers in space, right? We know this is a huge,
43:06
Speaker 5: massive debate around data centers in my backyard, and he's
43:09
Speaker 5: playing a longer tail game. And so if you're looking
43:13
Speaker 5: at and you're saying, okay, here's a guy who's built
43:15
Speaker 5: the chopsticks that grab when the rocket booster comes down.
43:19
Speaker 5: Here's the guy who just had a flying car. If
43:23
Speaker 5: he's going to be able to put his marker down
43:25
Speaker 5: on moving data centers into space, also satellites, Intel, rocket community,
43:31
Speaker 5: all of space, that's a longer play. And you say, man,
43:35
Speaker 5: this guy can build. He's the greatest engineer visionary we've
43:40
Speaker 5: ever seen in our lifetime. And so the physical mechanics
43:44
Speaker 5: of space, that's the long play. Now, back on anthropic
43:48
Speaker 5: and open AI, here's what everybody's got to understand. The
43:51
Speaker 5: reason these valuations are there is because if I... People
43:57
Speaker 5: are saying, hey, look, why don't you just go to
43:59
Speaker 5: a free weights model and use a China model and
44:01
Speaker 5: not have to pay anthropic and open AI? And obviously,
44:05
Speaker 5: they're very worried. That's why they want regulatory capture. That's
44:08
Speaker 5: why they want AI global governance. to build a moat.
44:12
Speaker 5: Think of it like a castle with a moat around
44:14
Speaker 5: it with alligators and water. They want regulatory capture because
44:18
Speaker 5: they're scared that people will move toward it. The area, though,
44:22
Speaker 5: that that doesn't apply, and this is why Anthropic has
44:25
Speaker 5: a huge advantage. Anthropic early on decided to go for B2B.
44:30
Speaker 5: They went for business to business. OpenAI and some of
44:34
Speaker 5: the others went toward B2C, just an app, you and me, $.
44:37
Speaker 2: 20 a month.
44:39
Speaker 5: They have 2,000 customers, corporate customers, who pay a million
44:44
Speaker 5: dollars a year, okay? So your ARR, your annualized recurring revenue,
44:50
Speaker 5: is super high. Now, why are people willing to do that?
44:54
Speaker 4: If you and I, let's say, Alex, you and I
44:56
Speaker 4: had a.
44:56
Speaker 5: Hedge fund, And we needed bleeding edge intel down to
45:01
Speaker 5: the second to be able to know which way to
45:04
Speaker 5: do massive trades. We need that extra bleeding edge for
45:08
Speaker 5: the enterprise level, cutting it, even if An anthropic model
45:13
Speaker 5: is only, let's say, I'm making this up, 20% better
45:16
Speaker 5: than a free, you know, an open weight model. Boy,
45:19
Speaker 5: that 20% is worth its weight in gold. We'll pay
45:22
Speaker 5: a million bucks for that in our sleep because we're
45:24
Speaker 5: going to make hundreds of millions or tens of millions
45:26
Speaker 5: at all. So, anthropic is very well positioned. The other
45:31
Speaker 5: reason is because where Dario built his whole team, remember
45:35
Speaker 5: where Dario came from? He came out of OpenAI, right?
45:38
Speaker 5: And then he brought his whole world-class team together there.
45:42
Speaker 5: They have things behind the laboratory tour that are several
45:48
Speaker 5: iterations ahead. And when you hear insiders talk, that's where
45:52
Speaker 5: that whole AI safety doomer conversation comes in. They're saying, hey,
45:57
Speaker 5: you're only looking at a $ 20 little chatbot that you
46:00
Speaker 5: think is what AI or SI represents today. You ain't
46:04
Speaker 5: seen nothing yet because we're working on version 20.7 that
46:11
Speaker 5: is going to be far in excess. And so they're
46:13
Speaker 5: putting a big stake on the lead that Anthropic has developed,
46:17
Speaker 5: the fact that they have targeted... businesses as customers, not
46:23
Speaker 5: just $ 20 you and me, little guy customers, and the
46:27
Speaker 5: fact that they've got things behind the laboratory and agentic
46:30
Speaker 5: AI that are going to be next level.
46:34
Speaker 2: Interesting.
46:35
Speaker 1: Well, there's a very hot story right now, Wynton, that
46:39
Speaker 1: I do want to touch on with you, which is
46:41
Speaker 1: that was Jensen Wong honeypotted, the oldest trick in the
46:45
Speaker 1: book by the Chinese.
46:47
Speaker 2: The guy's been high on life, untouchable.
46:50
Speaker 1: And then there is a big report in The New
46:52
Speaker 1: York Times today that he was, I guess, perhaps ensnared
46:56
Speaker 1: and trapped by a young Chinese woman, perhaps. What's the
47:01
Speaker 1: story here and what do you think it means?
47:04
Speaker 4: Yeah.
47:04
Speaker 5: So here's the let's get the basic facts out there.
47:07
Speaker 5: So Alice Wong, sometimes called Huang Li Wong. She is
47:11
Speaker 5: a Chinese citizen. She's also a senior top executive at
47:15
Speaker 5: a data center company called Megaspeed, right? And they are
47:19
Speaker 5: a Singapore-based data company. Now, the Times big explosive story
47:25
Speaker 5: does not, I want to be very clear, and I
47:27
Speaker 5: know you're always, as our editor-in-chief, always focused.
47:31
Speaker 4: Focus on the facts.
47:32
Speaker 5: There is no allegation of any kind of personal romantic
47:36
Speaker 5: relationship that was made in the Times piece. They say,
47:40
Speaker 5: but they do catalog a very close relationship between Mr. Wong,
47:46
Speaker 5: that is to say Jensen, and Alice Wong, or Wong Lee,
47:50
Speaker 5: as she's known. Now, the other thing that's important here
47:53
Speaker 5: is that Huang Li's affiliated companies from Megaspeed purchased NVIDIA.
48:01
Speaker 4: Chips this year, right?
48:03
Speaker 5: So this isn't like something from like five years ago
48:06
Speaker 5: or something, right? And Trump was briefed last year on
48:11
Speaker 5: this connection. And so there's a lot of questions about
48:14
Speaker 5: Megaspeed getting chips to China, which of course would be
48:18
Speaker 5: in violation depending on what kind of chips that was.
48:20
Speaker 5: Those were Of our export controls. I think a couple
48:25
Speaker 5: things here take away. So those are the facts. Real quick,
48:27
Speaker 5: three things. One, I think this is in some ways
48:31
Speaker 5: the least surprising story. Here's the richest company that has
48:35
Speaker 5: ever existed in human existence, NVIDIA. who is at the
48:41
Speaker 5: bleeding edge of technological innovation in a race against China.
48:46
Speaker 4: Wow, shocker.
48:47
Speaker 5: They're going to target their CEO. On the other hand,
48:51
Speaker 5: it is shocking in the sense that you would think, therefore...
48:55
Speaker 5: that NVIDIA would have its own security protocols very, very
48:58
Speaker 5: attuned and its antenna very attuned to this, which is
49:03
Speaker 5: very alarming. Second point on that, you know, since 2017,
49:09
Speaker 5: China has had a determined plan by 2030. We're almost there, Alex.
49:13
Speaker 5: We're almost, you know, three years away from establishing global
49:17
Speaker 5: dominance in AI.
49:19
Speaker 4: And so that's been normalized. for a long time.
49:21
Speaker 5: And then I think the most important thing, the third
49:23
Speaker 5: thing is we really do have to win this race
49:26
Speaker 5: against China. That part is not BS marketing, okay? And
49:30
Speaker 5: I will call it out when I see it, but
49:31
Speaker 5: I'm telling you the reason why we really have to.
49:34
Speaker 5: The Biden administration somewhat even understood this. That tells you
49:37
Speaker 5: there's a kind of a bipartisan understanding.
49:39
Speaker 4: It's two reasons. One, we already talked about the economic
49:42
Speaker 4: tug-of-war situation. It is everything.
49:45
Speaker 5: Whoever establishes dominance in AI is going to have a
49:47
Speaker 5: massive economic advantage for their people, jobs, and wealth. But
49:52
Speaker 5: the second reason, of course, is the military implications of this.
49:56
Speaker 5: Right now, we know that whoever hits RSI, recursive self-improvement,
50:01
Speaker 5: the ability to autonomously update your own code, when you
50:04
Speaker 5: get on an exponential, they are going to have dominance
50:07
Speaker 5: in everything, full-spectrum battlefield dominance in things like encryption. hacking
50:13
Speaker 5: of code hacking, hacking of missile systems, hacking of infrastructure, right?
50:18
Speaker 5: And so when you have that dominance, you have massive
50:22
Speaker 5: military advantage. And so this is why when people say
50:26
Speaker 5: we got to win the race, it's not just some
50:28
Speaker 5: cute little marketing thing. I'm sure that Jensen Wong and
50:32
Speaker 5: Dario Amadei and Sam Altman use that as part of
50:36
Speaker 5: their marketing pitch. but it also just happens to be true.
50:39
Speaker 5: And so this is a very serious thing to have
50:43
Speaker 5: Jensen Wong in contact with an alleged Chinese spy.
50:49
Speaker 1: Okay, so what has Jensen said about this? It seems
50:53
Speaker 1: like from the New York Times article, the NVIDIA has
50:55
Speaker 1: said that this was only routine interactions. And then the
50:59
Speaker 1: Chinese government has denied this.
51:01
Speaker 2: That makes sense.
51:02
Speaker 1: And apparently he hasn't received any sort of major security briefing.
51:06
Speaker 1: So I'm just wondering, is this like a, do we
51:10
Speaker 1: think this is going to amount to nothing?
51:12
Speaker 5: Or do we think that this is going to amount
51:13
Speaker 5: to something? Yeah, we don't know yet. And that's an
51:16
Speaker 5: important question we're going to find out. The Times even
51:18
Speaker 5: says there are a lot of unanswered questions so far.
51:21
Speaker 5: So this is kind of the tip of the spear.
51:23
Speaker 5: I think it's important to note You know, even if a,
51:27
Speaker 5: let's now just take him out of it for a second.
51:29
Speaker 5: You know, a spy, a corporate espionage has been going
51:33
Speaker 5: on for decades. A Chinese spy for an AI American company,
51:38
Speaker 5: even if they don't get access to things like circuits
51:42
Speaker 5: and semiconductors and all the secret sauce, the very knowledge
51:46
Speaker 5: of who they're talking to, what kind of conversations they're
51:50
Speaker 5: having with what vendors, right? That can be really, really
51:54
Speaker 5: valuable if you are China, who is again in this
51:57
Speaker 5: determined drive as everybody is sprinting ahead. So it wouldn't
52:01
Speaker 5: even have to be that she somehow, you know, snuck out,
52:05
Speaker 5: you know, a secret file like out of a movie
52:08
Speaker 5: or anything like that.
52:09
Speaker 4: It could just be routine intel.
52:12
Speaker 2: No, this is so big.
52:14
Speaker 1: This is I can't tell you just as a journalist,
52:16
Speaker 1: like how much my coverage is informed. by being in
52:20
Speaker 1: rooms with people who know way more detail on certain
52:23
Speaker 1: things that I don't have time to get into detail.
52:25
Speaker 1: And then you just, you absorb it and maybe you
52:27
Speaker 1: don't get a scoop, but like you learn so much
52:29
Speaker 1: just by sitting there and just being like, oh, well,
52:31
Speaker 1: what are the important people talking about? And just, of course,
52:34
Speaker 1: of course. So, so what do we think here? Do
52:37
Speaker 1: we think, so where is this person now? So the
52:41
Speaker 1: Times reached out. She did not respond for comment. Megaspeed
52:45
Speaker 1: has basically said, we're complying.
52:49
Speaker 4: We'll do what we got to do.
52:50
Speaker 5: This is the Singapore company she's the executive of. The
52:54
Speaker 5: Trump administration, like I say, Trump was, according to the Times,
52:58
Speaker 5: briefed on this last year. But one of the things
53:00
Speaker 5: that's very interesting that the Times piece, which is very
53:04
Speaker 5: long and granular, talks about is that usually American intel
53:10
Speaker 5: will not notify a target for a defensive briefing because
53:16
Speaker 5: they want to actually continue to watch the flow of
53:20
Speaker 5: information flow.
53:21
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah.
53:22
Speaker 4: Which makes sense, right?
53:23
Speaker 5: Because if I'm Jensen Wong and the CIA calls me
53:27
Speaker 5: or NSA calls me and says, hey, by the way,
53:30
Speaker 5: there's this spy that you're talking to. Now my whole
53:34
Speaker 5: demeanor changes. I'm going to tip them off, maybe inadvertently.
53:38
Speaker 5: So there's a lot of unanswered questions. But I think
53:41
Speaker 5: what this to me signals is this is how serious
53:44
Speaker 5: China is. OK, they're not playing around. First of all,
53:47
Speaker 5: they spend more money. They spend more importing semiconductors than
53:51
Speaker 5: they do on oil.
53:53
Speaker 4: Okay. They are putting their money where their mouth is.
53:56
Speaker 4: They are determined and they know how important this race
53:59
Speaker 4: really is.
54:00
Speaker 5: And, you know, um, what, what Trump, uh, wrote a
54:03
Speaker 5: book called time to get tough many years ago.
54:05
Speaker 4: And I remember talking to him about this book. Um,
54:09
Speaker 4: And one of the things he kind.
54:10
Speaker 5: Of said was, hey, look, I don't spite other countries for,
54:14
Speaker 5: you know, tough and trying to get Intel. That's what smart,
54:17
Speaker 5: aggressive countries are going to do. We should know that
54:20
Speaker 5: this is baked in. And, you know, I know our
54:22
Speaker 5: Intel professionals do, but I think average everyday Americans need
54:25
Speaker 5: to realize this is how far China is willing to go.
54:29
Speaker 1: All right, I got to wrap up here, but I
54:31
Speaker 1: got two quick ones. So what's the worst case scenario
54:34
Speaker 1: here from this one?
54:34
Speaker 2: I mean, what is this? What are we supposed to
54:36
Speaker 2: glean from this mega hot story?
54:38
Speaker 5: Yeah, the best case scenario would be that it was,
54:42
Speaker 5: you know, she was around during casual conversations at public events. And,
54:48
Speaker 5: you know, everybody's at a bar or at a party
54:50
Speaker 5: or a social gathering. Worst case would be that this
54:54
Speaker 5: was some kind of real deep inside where she was
54:56
Speaker 5: able to gain access to documents or things like that.
54:59
Speaker 5: The Times does not allege any of that. And so
55:02
Speaker 5: it's not clear yet how deep that could go. We
55:05
Speaker 5: know that kind of surveillance happens all the time in
55:07
Speaker 5: Code Red. I have an old chapter talking about the
55:11
Speaker 5: incredible efforts to penetrate the labs, and we need to
55:15
Speaker 5: know that that already is occurring. There are spies in
55:18
Speaker 5: every major lab, and we've got to be serious about
55:21
Speaker 5: rooting it out. So that's, I think, where we're going
55:24
Speaker 5: to have to watch is, number one, what level of
55:27
Speaker 5: penetration was this spy able to ascertain? And number two,
55:31
Speaker 5: what kind of information beyond just sort of atmospherics was
55:35
Speaker 5: she able to acquire?
55:38
Speaker 1: Okay, so then going back to the election, Wynton, what
55:41
Speaker 1: is your, based off of what you're seeing in your dials,
55:44
Speaker 1: does this give you any.
55:44
Speaker 2: Insight into who you think is going to end up
55:46
Speaker 2: having a better night on Tuesday?
55:48
Speaker 5: You know, here's the thing about social media, having been
55:51
Speaker 5: doing this for many, many years and just looking at
55:54
Speaker 5: billions of data, you know, analytics all for decades. You
55:59
Speaker 5: sometimes wonder how much is psi warfare, psychological warfare.
56:06
Speaker 4: And how much of it is bot-driven.
56:08
Speaker 5: And one of the things I think I'm watching, and
56:10
Speaker 5: this I think is really kind of counterintuitive, is this
56:14
Speaker 5: is the first AI election midterm, right? Full-on AI-enabled, generative
56:22
Speaker 5: AI-powered election with all the sophisticated tools far more advanced
56:28
Speaker 5: than we had in the last midterm election in 2024.
56:30
Speaker 5: So What I'm watching for is, are the polls that
56:36
Speaker 5: we've all been told, that are very gloom and doom
56:39
Speaker 5: if you're a conservative or a Republican, are they inflated?
56:44
Speaker 4: Is this online astroturf, or is this actually organic?
56:50
Speaker 5: And I think it's going to obviously be a blend
56:52
Speaker 5: of both, but with AI and the ability to amplify
56:56
Speaker 5: things and create agent bot farms and the rest of it,
56:59
Speaker 5: I think it's going to be a very interesting in
57:01
Speaker 5: five days when we see what these numbers, if it
57:03
Speaker 5: was a lot closer than we were told it was
57:06
Speaker 5: going to be. There is no question right now. There
57:09
Speaker 5: is a very well-coordinated effort. I'm seeing it. And I
57:12
Speaker 5: sit at a very, very, you know, I've got a
57:14
Speaker 5: lot of analytics that are very sophisticated that the left
57:18
Speaker 5: has put together. My only question mark, and it's a
57:21
Speaker 5: glowing question mark as we head into the midterm night,
57:24
Speaker 5: which I can't wait to watch your coverage of, is
57:26
Speaker 5: going to be how much of this was manufactured and
57:29
Speaker 5: how much of it was real grassroots.
57:31
Speaker 4: And we're going to know.
57:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to know.
57:34
Speaker 1: I'm also trying to track who's going to– if anyone's
57:36
Speaker 1: going to cross the aisle. I'm talking about Jewish voters,
57:38
Speaker 1: black voters, things like that. And will young men show
57:41
Speaker 1: up for Trump at all or show up for the Republicans? Wynton,
57:44
Speaker 1: amazing stuff as always. We go on, but we don't
57:46
Speaker 1: have any more time because I've got to go do
57:47
Speaker 1: the live show. Code Red is the book. If you
57:49
Speaker 1: guys haven't read it, then I don't– you must not
57:51
Speaker 1: listen to many of my shows because I couldn't have
57:53
Speaker 1: recommended it enough.
57:54
Speaker 2: So thank you, Wynton, for being here, and I'll see
57:56
Speaker 2: you soon.
57:57
Speaker 4: Thanks so much.
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Speaker 3: Thank you.