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Why Discovery Failed: The Set That Missed Its Mark · Archons Corner

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  Speaker 2: Fit juicy and Wick.
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  Speaker 4: Don't light them, don't, don't, don't flash by ego doesn't
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  Speaker 4: need any more of that. But what's going on? Everybody?
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  Speaker 1: You heard me?
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  Speaker 4: I'm the one, the only, the w o Okay, I
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  Speaker 4: but we found replacements. Replacement nuggets are just as good.
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  Speaker 4: You dust them off, you blow on them. First couple
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  Speaker 4: of bites are a little crunchy, and after that they're fine.
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  Speaker 4: They're fine. But we got the ewoks. Ewok Jr.
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  Speaker 3: Hello, keyboard community. Glad to be apparently a dust offable nugget.
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  Speaker 4: You're not a you are a regular nugget, Pete.
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  Speaker 3: I'm a regular nugget.
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  Speaker 4: Pete is a dusty, dusty nugget.
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  Speaker 1: Pete.
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  Speaker 3: Well show to welcome our guests.
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  Speaker 1: There, man, thank you. It's it's an honor to be here.
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  Speaker 1: I'm happy to be the mandatory grumpy nugget, the.
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  Speaker 4: Grumpy, the grumpy, dusty nugget.
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  Speaker 3: We are so much more than that. Pete Man, we do.
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  Speaker 3: We love you. You are amazing too kind.
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  Speaker 4: But we got tons of stuff we want to go
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  Speaker 4: over today. We're gonna have some fun with this. We
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  Speaker 4: do still have episodes coming out. We are going to
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  Speaker 4: try to do an episode on the key chain thing
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  Speaker 4: that is going on. I don't know, is that still
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  Speaker 4: in beta or is that kind of open to everybody?
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  Speaker 4: It still in beta, So we're gonna get something with that.
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  Speaker 4: We're gonna get an episode on finishing moves, not what
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  Speaker 4: you're thinking is with this show, but you know. And
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  Speaker 4: then we have a special guest coming on here shortly.
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  Speaker 4: We do have to get some schedules worked out, but
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  Speaker 4: we will have Janet on for our six hundredth episodes,
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  Speaker 4: so little little but of calendar work to do there,
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  Speaker 4: but we need to.
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  Speaker 3: And when you when you say six hundredth, are we
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  Speaker 3: looking because I was looking at this, we have a
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  Speaker 3: sheet it's actually a Google sheet that we've been running
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  Speaker 3: for six years with each of our show notes. Yep,
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  Speaker 3: right now at this eppisode are we going based on
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  Speaker 3: how many pages we've hit and so it's really the
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  Speaker 3: six hundredth page? Is this the six hundredth beverage that's
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  Speaker 3: been cracked, while here the six hundredth.
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  Speaker 4: The six hundredth tier Wookie has shed over key Ford,
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  Speaker 4: sucking ass for so many years. I collect them and
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  Speaker 4: I drink them later. Look for that jar at KFC
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  Speaker 4: Wookie's tears. What we have our tier? Other segment? Why
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  Speaker 4: is suck a Keyfards Jr? Has ours this sweet jar?
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  Speaker 4: Why do you suck at Keyford?
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  Speaker 3: Well, so there's this little thing. It's a way to
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  Speaker 3: evaluate decks. Some people use it. You you know, you
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  Speaker 3: as a listener may not have heard of it before.
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  Speaker 3: But Dexa KeyForge. What has anyone here? Have you guys
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  Speaker 3: heard of this thing called Dexic KeyForge?
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  Speaker 4: Do I just google that? I've never heard of Dexa
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  Speaker 4: KeyForge before.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's kind of the same way that GG markets
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  Speaker 3: and that's just apparently word of mouth from US players.
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  Speaker 3: So that's the best way to get out. But no,
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  Speaker 3: at Dexa Keybordge. Great website that's there. But there is
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  Speaker 3: a nice scoring mechanism and one of my decks recently
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  Speaker 3: that I for the longest time, I could not play
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  Speaker 3: this deck. I could not go ahead and play it
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  Speaker 3: has a great score and other people look at it,
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  Speaker 3: and Pete, it was actually your idea. You're like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: what are you doing with this deck? And I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: you know what, I should probably go ahead and take
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  Speaker 3: this for another train trip. Let's let's just see what
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  Speaker 3: it can do. I played this deck. Cards did not
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  Speaker 3: come together for me. Gave it some time, slight different meta,
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  Speaker 3: not really, but all of a sudden I took some
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  Speaker 3: different lines and this deck just clicked. And this deck
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  Speaker 3: is like firing at this point now. And so Pete,
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  Speaker 3: I have you to thank for this, because I think
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  Speaker 3: that's always one of you know, especially it's one of
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  Speaker 3: the tricks for our com players, is what deck am
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  Speaker 3: I playing? We got vaults coming up, So good luck
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  Speaker 3: to everyone at Rochester this this upcoming weekend. Actually, man,
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  Speaker 3: we are Thursday night, so tomorrow already, so just a
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  Speaker 3: couple hours away.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yep.
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  Speaker 4: We'll get more into Rochester here in the later in
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  Speaker 4: the twilight hours of key Forge, where we've all had
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  Speaker 4: too much to drink and we're just talking shit.
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  Speaker 3: But but I will say, for me, there's a reason
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  Speaker 3: that we have tools in order to evaluate decks, and
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  Speaker 3: I don't believe that decks of keyboard is everything I
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  Speaker 3: want to want that knowing, I definitely think that there's
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  Speaker 3: some decks that are overpowered, and there's some that basically
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  Speaker 3: show a sass. That's that frankly can do a lot
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  Speaker 3: more magic than it's showing. But if decks show up
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  Speaker 3: consistently in that top, it's probably okay to go ahead
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  Speaker 3: and give them a second or third try and take
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  Speaker 3: some different lines. How I was playing the deck previously,
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  Speaker 3: was leaning heavily into one thing and honestly taking a
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  Speaker 3: slightly different pathway exploring that deck. Discovering however, you want
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  Speaker 3: to go ahead and talk about it. It's it now
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  Speaker 3: goes ahead and sings along for me. So that's why
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  Speaker 3: I suck to the Keyforde because apparently I was playing
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  Speaker 3: this deck completely wrong. And so go check out your decks.
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  Speaker 3: See why you're sucking at keyboards too.
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  Speaker 4: See why you're sucking at key forge. All right, thank
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  Speaker 4: you JR. For the why is sucking key Forge fail?
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  Speaker 4: Getting into the meat and potatoes. Now we want to
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  Speaker 4: talk about the Discovery kits. Colossal success are abysmal failure.
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  Speaker 3: Well, while you uh, while we contemplate this, h we
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  Speaker 3: should give our listeners a little background. So discovery kits
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  Speaker 3: had been out and your discovery set to introduce players. Yep,
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  Speaker 3: our local decided to go ahead. As both Sheep and
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  Speaker 3: I kind of looked at it, the Discovery Kit was
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  Speaker 3: basically falling at the same time store championships were, so
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  Speaker 3: it is feast or famine that is part GG and
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  Speaker 3: there was a lot happening, and we're like, you know what,
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  Speaker 3: instead of going ahead and running, hey, welcome to the
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  Speaker 3: Key Forge and then saying hey, next week, turn around
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  Speaker 3: and come join our store Championships, we actually just kind
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  Speaker 3: of pause that. And so we recently just well technically
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  Speaker 3: we're finishing up this month with our Discovery kit, but
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  Speaker 3: we pause until the last couple of weeks to go
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  Speaker 3: ahead and run our discovery kit. So that is why
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  Speaker 3: it's very relevant for us. But it also gave us
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  Speaker 3: time to look and listen to what's happening in the
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  Speaker 3: key Forarde community, go ahead and see, hey, what's the
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  Speaker 3: feedback that others are seeing on this discovery kit. So
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  Speaker 3: with that back, what do we think Pete's what do
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  Speaker 3: we think, Wookie? Was this Discovery kits a success or failure?
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  Speaker 1: Well? Yeah, I think we'd have to call it a
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  Speaker 1: failure based on everything we hear and see in the discords, right,
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  Speaker 1: if that's an all indicative of the broader key Forge
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  Speaker 1: new player base, if such a thing exists, it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: seem to have generated a whole lot of hyper interest
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  Speaker 1: or new bodies. So I would have to call that
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  Speaker 1: a failure, right objectively, I.
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  Speaker 4: As well call while you already know I was going
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  Speaker 4: to call it a failure. So I think this is
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  Speaker 4: this was an abysmal failure. It was a halfway decently again,
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  Speaker 4: it's a standard GGI right, great idea horrible execution.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and I'm actually gonna go ahead and plus here,
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  Speaker 3: I think that like Sheep, I know Sheep is on
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  Speaker 3: remote Dresscore is actually coming in a little bit. He
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  Speaker 3: is actually remote too, be able to look at that
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  Speaker 3: for time in Hey, guys, how's it going, Dras, I'm
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  Speaker 3: in a car. Yeah, these are my favorite episodes where
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  Speaker 3: Drazz is in a car evering here him turning, soy,
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  Speaker 3: thank you so much. This makes my night.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm on the way to Rochester.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, nice, I didn't really Oh yeah, yeah it's
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  Speaker 4: going I forgot. I thought you were on work stuff.
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  Speaker 4: That's why I thought you weren't going to Rochester but no,
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  Speaker 4: and I said.
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  Speaker 3: A couple hours. All right, so where are you you left?
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  Speaker 3: Tell us, tell us where did we leave? And how
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  Speaker 3: far are away are we? At this point?
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  Speaker 5: We are in right now, three hours and fifty six
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  Speaker 5: minutes away, So that's that's a long ways because it
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  Speaker 5: is PM.
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  Speaker 4: So you're ex what right about? Oh ship, that's an
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  Speaker 4: hour time to is it our time differ?
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  Speaker 3: They're they're now thirty there.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, a cool one, am, no big deal.
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  Speaker 3: Hey you're just starting off that vault in a really
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  Speaker 3: prime spot. Are you driving alone? Or do we have
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  Speaker 3: others in the car with you?
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  Speaker 5: Oh? We got metal zoea here. Say hey, all right,
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  Speaker 5: say hey guys. I don't think you can hear him.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, there you go.
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  Speaker 5: There you go, Yeah, metal Zones driving the other the
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  Speaker 5: other locals or other already up there. So we got
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  Speaker 5: Mam and DG's up there. We got King of Ling
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  Speaker 5: up there. Uh, we got uh JJ cob JJ's there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: JJ's up there. Uh so yeah, yeah, we got a
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  Speaker 5: we got a local crew going up there.
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  Speaker 3: So very nice. Well, we'll talk more about Rochester later,
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  Speaker 3: but it's great to hear from you. On the road.
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  Speaker 3: We kind of did pee is here with us as
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  Speaker 3: local because we're talking this Discovery kit, so real quick,
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  Speaker 3: Pete and what he both said that the Discovery Kit,
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  Speaker 3: unfortunately was a failure for you in your local. Did
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  Speaker 3: you guys see Discovery Kid as being a fail as
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  Speaker 3: well or was it a success for you guys in life?
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  Speaker 5: Well, so we actually never got a Discovery Kid.
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  Speaker 3: No, so that that is a failure right there.
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  Speaker 5: Kay, Yeah, that was a little bit of a mistake.
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  Speaker 5: So so what happened was I told my store owner
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  Speaker 5: about Discovery and about how we wanted to do, you know,
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  Speaker 5: I wanted to do some of pants, to do the
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  Speaker 5: cool prizes or whatever, try to attract some folks. And
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  Speaker 5: he's like, oh yeah, I'll get some and then like
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  Speaker 5: they came in and uh, I was like cool, cool, cool,
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  Speaker 5: Like where's the cool stuff. He's like, what are you
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  Speaker 5: talking about. It's like, yeah, where's like all the prizes stuff.
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  Speaker 5: He's like, I just bought some decks, Like oh, so
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  Speaker 5: we have a whole bunch of Discovery decks, but we
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  Speaker 5: didn't get the prizes and stuff. So so this is
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  Speaker 5: right in the middle of store champs, and so I
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  Speaker 5: was like, well, let's let's get through Store Champs and uh,
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  Speaker 5: then I'll figure out if I'm actually gonna ask if
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  Speaker 5: the war stuff and then try to organize an event.
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  Speaker 5: Do you think of a track some folks, you know,
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  Speaker 5: there's there's like a couple of folks who I would
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  Speaker 5: try to come out, try to get them to play.
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  Speaker 3: So what's interesting? Yeah, So what's interesting, Dazz is you're
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  Speaker 3: talking about timing there. And actually i'd shared before you
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  Speaker 3: came on the idea that we actually because it would
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  Speaker 3: have been happening a week before Store Champs. Sheep and
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  Speaker 3: I are like, let's not bring some new players in
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  Speaker 3: because we want to do a learn to play and
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  Speaker 3: kind of build up. Let's go ahead and set this afterwards,
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  Speaker 3: because I think the bad experience would be, hey, come,
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  Speaker 3: come learn to play, and then next week, welcome to
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  Speaker 3: Store Championships. The timing is just feast or famine for Gigi,
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  Speaker 3: and so I think that timing was something that they
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  Speaker 3: could definitely improve upon, just spreading out the love so
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  Speaker 3: that there's something in January February to do and then
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  Speaker 3: build people up. We actually just recently had pushed it
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  Speaker 3: to this time period. But I think you're also speaking
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  Speaker 3: of the difference of Asthma Day versus GG. I cannot
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  Speaker 3: stress this enough. It is extremely confusing to store owners
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  Speaker 3: who are not in this game. I'll make even a
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  Speaker 3: statement that people who are in the game, who are
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  Speaker 3: pretty regular it's confusing. So recently, within the past week,
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  Speaker 3: we heard that what set was out guys, that we
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  Speaker 3: weren't able to get it from Asthma Day anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, tokens of Change.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, tokens of change. That's correct me. So Tokens of
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  Speaker 3: Changes said, well, it's out, and so now this is
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  Speaker 3: being spread with the local stores. But the short answer
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  Speaker 3: is GG still has tokens of Change, but as Mide doesn't. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and it's a weird component to have both of them
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  Speaker 3: kind of running shotgun on the game and kind of
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  Speaker 3: what's there, So it spreads misinformation. I honestly cannot stress enough.
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  Speaker 3: I really want to see one central area for information,
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  Speaker 3: one spot where we can go to, and one way
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  Speaker 3: to be able to publicize or push this game. So
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  Speaker 3: all of that would be really, really important. But Asthmade
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  Speaker 3: versus Gig puts another little hiccup in for your store
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  Speaker 3: owners who aren't maybe they're not playing I mean, Riku,
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  Speaker 3: I love you man, You're running literally Vietnam. But outside
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  Speaker 3: of store owners who are that committed, who are that engaged,
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  Speaker 3: who are setting up for vall tours and for events,
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  Speaker 3: most store owners don't have enough time. They're trying to
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  Speaker 3: balance all these other games that are on their plate,
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  Speaker 3: and I think that's something that GIG has to be
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  Speaker 3: aware of and communicate. I honestly would have preferred to
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  Speaker 3: have seen, Hey, here's a really really reduced rate for
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  Speaker 3: this kit. I'm not even joking, and I know it
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  Speaker 3: wasn't bad as is, but here is the kit to
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  Speaker 3: any of the stores that have been running events. Let's
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  Speaker 3: get it out there. That could be marketing or here's
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  Speaker 3: a nominal fee of here's a dollar five dollars, or
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  Speaker 3: you pay for the shipping. Like finding ways to get
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  Speaker 3: product into these stores where then someone can run it
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  Speaker 3: is so critical right now. And I know that other
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  Speaker 3: episodes other casts have gone ahead and talked about the
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  Speaker 3: importance of the community. I think it is the community,
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  Speaker 3: but I also really think that it is GIGI as
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  Speaker 3: a company needs to step up and needs to do
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  Speaker 3: a lot more than what we're seeing. So unfortunately, our
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  Speaker 3: kit did not generate new players, and I think part
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  Speaker 3: of that is some confusion, some timing issues, but also
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  Speaker 3: kind of well the next large topic, which it is the.
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  Speaker 5: Let's hold on on that. So is the kid really
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  Speaker 5: supposed to in and of itself bring in new players?
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  Speaker 5: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, no, it's that's what it is, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: the kids.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, in theory. I think the theory is you have
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  Speaker 5: a kid like this new player kid, and yeah, we
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  Speaker 5: still as the community to go out find people bring
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  Speaker 5: him in. But then you can give them something cool
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  Speaker 5: that will bring them back. I think that's the objective
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  Speaker 5: of the kid is.
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  Speaker 1: Well.
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  Speaker 3: So, so here here's what I have thought on that.
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  Speaker 3: Like one, the Discovery kit as a as itself looked beautiful,
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  Speaker 3: like it had meat trinkets, the key charms were really cool.
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  Speaker 3: I like that Josh actually built them. Like weekly, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: we can come back. It's easy to play with the
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  Speaker 3: Discovery sets. But who is it being marketed to. It's
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  Speaker 3: only applying to the people who already played KeyForge, Like
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  Speaker 3: if the if it.
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  Speaker 5: Doesn't actually evert us to go find the people, right,
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  Speaker 5: it's not it's not going to be unfortunately anybody else?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah can can I can I speak to that though,
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  Speaker 3: And I know I'm speaking a lot already, but ah it,
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  Speaker 3: I guess that's a point of frustration right now. At
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  Speaker 3: a certain point, it needs to be a mutual partnership
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  Speaker 3: between us as players and the store. But the store's
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  Speaker 3: sorry GG and us, but really GG is not holding
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  Speaker 3: their own I can't speak this enough when we go in.
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  Speaker 3: We've been in our store for what he isn't now
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  Speaker 3: a solid two years.
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  Speaker 4: I thought it was three, but we'll see.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, well it's two it's two years, and then a
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  Speaker 3: couple of months. Okay, so we're at four months almost
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  Speaker 3: five months there. But when we're looking, we actually have
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  Speaker 3: a player who used to play at our old store
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  Speaker 3: that shut down with the pandemic. We lost some individuals there.
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  Speaker 3: That individual used to play key for so we could
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  Speaker 3: talk about them as being a lapse player. They're there
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  Speaker 3: consistently on Tuesdays, the day that we have set up,
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  Speaker 3: which is tricky for people to come out because key
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  Speaker 3: fordge frankly is set up for well middle aged parents.
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  Speaker 3: Can I say that like?
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  Speaker 4: Sure?
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  Speaker 3: People? I mean, yeah, a number of single income like
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  Speaker 3: I'm not in is I'm not tied down with some
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  Speaker 3: commitments right now. But outside of that, we have a
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  Speaker 3: lot of parents who are trying to balance kids sports
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  Speaker 3: in school. And I can go on, but if you're.
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  Speaker 5: Struggling old women playing this game, and i'mlike, I'm like altered, right,
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  Speaker 5: it's just what that Altered cast with Bookie. It's just
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  Speaker 5: like Wookie and some kids, right, and that's who that's
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  Speaker 5: who's not the Altered cast, I think, right.
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  Speaker 3: It is a very young cast. They're Wookie. What do
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  Speaker 3: you have to say to that?
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  Speaker 1: It is?
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  Speaker 4: It is a very young cast, Yes, it is.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, what about their player base. We've got to like
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  Speaker 5: change the diapers and stuff.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, Marcial break, they're gonna they're gonna go ahead
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  Speaker 3: next episode and talk to us about our geriatrix and
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  Speaker 3: what we all have going.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: I probably should, but I.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: Mean, if we're looking time is extremely important, and at
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: a certain point, I can't do more to go ahead
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: and make the game appealing. Like we've had learned to play.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: I've had people playing board games that we've they we've
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: brought in. They frankly opened up some key for starters
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: next to us that were separate while they were playing
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: poor games. I went over like taught them and booking
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: others like why why did you leave our tournament? Like
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: we have another out, like what are you doing? But
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: trying to reach out to people. We have individuals who
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: are just playing Commander because on the same day that
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: we go ahead and have our locals, it is the
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: consistent uh sealed from MTG. So imagine the gathering. Yeah,
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: I can't do more than putting up flyers, then going
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: ahead and basically trying to show the game to the
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: staff who are potentially able to go ahead and show
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: it to others. We can offer our own prize support,
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: but at a certain point there has to be.
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: Some discovery kid right, So I so I have not
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: given the discovery kid of fair shakes. I have tried. Again,
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: i'n't housedon right like I do, like when get back
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: from Rochester. Maybe at some point I will how's that.
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: I will talk with store owner back ordering it, and
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: then I will set up event and then I'll go
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: there's a few folks who have like come to one
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: or two events. I'll try to get back. I'll go
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: to my board game club. So I've run monthly board
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: game club and I've never like hard sold anybody on
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: keyboard stuff, but like I'll be like, hey, Discovery said
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: it's easier way right, fun hopeful prizes, come check it out. Hopefully,
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: hopefully I'll get a few people to come, and then
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: hopefully from that one or two will actually become right,
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: Like that would be cool, Like if if I could
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: get if for that whole kit, I could get two
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: people to come semi regularly, like I would be happy
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: with that, Like that'd.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: Be a pretty good big I'm gonna say, if you
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: can get one new person to come regularly, that's a
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: big success right now, Like, yeah, if we have someone
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: who's gonna come back more than once, that's that's what
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: we're looking for right now. And I'm not even seeing that.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: Like time is very like there's so much that's happening
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: for people in their lives that to expect them to
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: come out, Like I know other other people have talked about, Hey,
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: I'm running now events because table space is limited at
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: some stores. I'm running an event twice a month instead
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: of weekly. The best thing that we can do is
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: actually be there consistently, because if you're going every other week,
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: well then something else creeps in and I can't.
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: Speaking of consistent, I did feel a little bad because
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: there's a guy who has come a little bit off
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: and on, like he he plays magic and uh so
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: like h but he also like has keyboard stuff from
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: Days of York and so like sometimes when we're there,
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: there's magic players there, and like sometimes they'll come over
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: and play like a couple of games with us or
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: show up to play games with us, but like sometimes
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: they'll go play magic because he also has friends there.
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: Like that's pretty cool. So he actually messaged. He was like, hey,
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: I didn't see any message about key Ford tonight we
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: play it. And I was like, oh, we're we did
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: a message because we're all up to Rochester's Like oh yeah, yeah,
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: you guys did mention that I forgot about that, but
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: like he actually reached out. It was like really cool.
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: I was like happy, but also sad that we weren't
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: going to be there to be like yeah, hell yeah,
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: we'll playing with fortunate dude.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: So uh.
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah. I think it is tough, right, It's tough
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: to get new players. I I don't know. I think
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: the Discovery Set is an interesting attempt. I think I
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: think I'm gonna try it. I think, yeah, the timing
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: was a little weird, but it's supposed to be in theory,
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: it's supposed to be an evergreen thing, so like they're
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: supposed to keep them around, maybe so using any time
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: in theory in the future. So I think, I think
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: that's the right move. So the fact that it became available,
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: uh during this time, I think is but maybe slightly odd,
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: but not problem.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: Really I feel needy when I keep going to the
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: local players who are there and I don't know how
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: to go ahead and venture. So you know, no, but
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: like you feel like, please come play my game. Here's
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: all the trinkets, here's dax, here's tokens, here's everything. And
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: then they take it and they go, lookie. I still
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: remember the event that you put at our previous store,
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: and this was two back, but you had a really
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: great idea of, hey, here's going to be these different decks.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: Was it six or eight decks that you gave to everyone,
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: and then each week we are going to just play
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: one of those basically bring a Mars deck and so
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: from that stack you have to bring one bars deck
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: from that pool. And so it was relatively fair and
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: you had we had we had a car load of
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: people who came in I think there were six players.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: They were younger. We all came in go ahead, tell
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: us because it was a really great idea and it
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: absolutely failed in our faces.
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: No, it was just I mean basically I had a
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: we all had a lot of decks, right, So I'd
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: bring in my box of decks and I'd say pick
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: one right, right, you know, and it was different themes,
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: and I was like, oh, well this week we're going
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: to try Mars or whatever. So you'd get x amount
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: of time thumb through the decks, pick one you know
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: that had Mars in it, and we just play, right,
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: and then it was well, whatever you grabbed, just take
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: it home with you, right, Yeah.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: But the event that you actually had for here was
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: supposed to be a six week process. You had pulled
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: six to eight decks. They showed up once and then
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: we played again, and they never showed up again. And
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: if you look at that, like even six decks is
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: half a box, like that's that's a significant And yeah,
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: we were to do with extra decks. Well that's one
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: of those things. But it's sad when someone shows up
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: takes your decks and you feel really like, I don't know,
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: I feel off when it's just like, hey, here you go,
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: here's decks. But you feel it's an odd feeling when
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: people are just I'm taking the decks and I'm leaving
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: and I could care less about these decks. We have
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: more than enough. But it's just it's an odd set
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: of like, hey, please come hang out with me, please
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: play these decks. Wow, there is something wrong with the game. No,
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: it's a great game.
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know, like I think. I mean, half
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: of it has to be selling the community, right, like
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: selling Hey, we get together and have a together joke you. Hey, so,
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: so you gotta lean into the cool people you have, right,
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: So you can't sell the Wookie. You gotta sell Sydney,
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: right like Sydney is the cool person there.
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: Right, don't laugh Whenever that was in the background, which
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: which one do you do that? You don't get my
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: iron for next week's episode?
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Why wait until next week?
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Don't you?
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: Don't you throw him under the bus. We know there's
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: only one other person in your car.
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: We went through this, Yeah, that was only one other
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: person in your car. Struggle rookie like memory and remembering things?
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: Pete, did we sell you as one of our newer
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: players within the last. Are we already on our year?
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: Has it been a year that we've been together? Probably
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: you came you came out with the Mars, so it
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: has a year.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: Wasn't that right before? Or was that during.
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: During?
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: It was we're not there yet. Okay, we're coming up
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: on our one year anniversary?
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: But do you have to buy a cake?
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: It was? It was definitely August. Because I reviewed my
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: monthly expenses going back for the last no talk about it,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: I noticed a significant anyways, different subject for a different times.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: I don't that's true. That is my fault. I could
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: harvest my own local community, but I choose to stick
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: with you all because you sold the community.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: Okay, so you are saying that our community is worthwhile?
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Yes, And I'm not a person who sought that out.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: I don't. Maybe you guys have noticed I'm not terribly
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: you know, social or outgoing.
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: It takes me a while to warm up. But I
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: really liked the game, and I liked having the consistency
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: of people who also enjoyed the game that I always
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: count on to show up to play the game. So
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know that that if that's you know what
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: percentage of players is like, please don't try to sell
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: me in the community. There's other things I might enjoy
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: about this game. I have no idea, but that's my
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: experience anyways. Yet.
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so the first so the first time he came,
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: were you like, how did you first year about the event?
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: Because that's that's the.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: First question, right. So I I had meddled with KeyForge
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: around the time it came out, and then just I
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: don't remember what sparked my interest to go look look
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: for it again, but I couldn't find anything any information online,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: like just doing Google searches or looking on Reddit, the
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Reddit community and there is like kind of active, but
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: not a whole lot. I almost made a road trip
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: to Michigan just because they advertised an event and it
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: was the only one I knew of looked on Facebook
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: all those were dead. Then I found Discord through my
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: local game store and found found Sheep, and then Sheep
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: directed me towards this crew, and I I bit the
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: bull to show up because I wanted free cards. And
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: that's what the Martian Civil War event promised was fifteen
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: free cards and.
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: The Martian Civil War.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was my motivation to That's what pushed me
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: over the edge because again I at that time, I
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily looking to play with people in real life.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: I just wanted the free cards.
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: See, guys, free ship does win?
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: It does?
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: I know she's not here to counter this, but I
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: am with you, guys, one thousand percent.
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: I think what is free shit? We can't solve this
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: game with free shitt. I wasn't doing anything it does.
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: I don't play this game because of anything for you.
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: I play this game because.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: I like it. I like about it, and I'm sorry.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: So back to the question though. Once I did get there,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: everybody was super patient and eager to teach. Uh. Everyone
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: was playing with Grim Reminders, which I still hate to
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: this day, but they did their best to try to
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: explain what each card did, and so that helped too.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: You know, did you feel that Grim Reminders was a
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: really big jump from where you had?
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Like Ben, Yes, and I heard about Woe and the
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: token mechanic. I really liked that. I couldn't tell you why,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: but I thought that was so neat and so getting
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: a display of that, playing with it by myself at
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: home and going wow, this game is still awesome. They're
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: still innovating and doing fun things with it and then
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: going to Grim Reminders, where it's just I don't know
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: that's a personal preference. I know I know of new
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: players who enjoy grimm Winders a lot, so it's that's
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: not a probably.
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: So here's my argument, right, and we're we're gonna kind
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: of jump around a little bit here. And I know
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: you don't like Grim Reminders, and that's fine, right, everybody.
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: Everybody's allowed to have their own yum, right. But one
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: of the fails that we had kind of and you
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: can tell us what we're wrong, but we identified is
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: just the lack of power or any sort of pizzaz sizzle.
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: Like there's no real spice in discovery, right, Like you're
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: discovering mediocrity and it's a real like there is nothing,
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: there is nothing to look for, there's nothing exciting about it,
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: like as as a player who's been around for a
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: long time, like it's it's kind of a paint like
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: it reminds me of AOA Sealed Days, right, like where
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: it's just kind of like, oh yeah, so whoever gets
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: some form of ember control will win.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't know if I would go that far.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: I mean, even looking at d Okay you do have
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: some ninety SaaS decks that show up there, and again,
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: SAS is not everything, but I think overall you're just
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: I wanted to see that all of the decks frankly
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: just needed to have more amber on it. I don't
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: know how else to state it, like, I want to
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: see more interaction, but if we simplify the interaction, then
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: increase the amber so that one the games can go quicker.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: So all of our players who are here, they feel
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: that tension of oh, we're right on check, we're almost
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: going to forge key. Will we let them? Will we not?
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: I want to see that number two. If we really
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: are pushing amber, then that deck And I know she
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: argued in our in our actual chat before this, I
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: think that those decks should be able to leave a
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: discovery event and frankly still have a half chance at
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: being able to be played. I think that there's some
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: real skill knowledge that's gained from playing on a weekly
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: basis and playing consistently. I mean, Pete, I've seen the
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: improvement from you as you've gone ahead and joined us
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: since August. So going ahead and looking at that you
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: become better by going ahead and investing in the game
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: and that's just time. It takes time to be able
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: to get better. But if you come in and you
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: have this discovery deck and you're like, hey, it was
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: a lot of fun. I enjoyed this, and then you
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: bring it back to local and then next week or
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: a couple weeks later and you get absolutely smashed. That's
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: a really bad feel bads moment. And I think that Discovery,
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: like the kit, needed to be attached to this. But
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: I think the set Discovery as a whole then has
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: an impact and it needed to be elevated. And I'm
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: not joking. I think the card type in the interaction
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: can be more simplified. But I think you just needed
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: to push the amber, get to your keys faster, go
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: ahead and push inside of scaling amber control. It should
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: cause some problems for a number of sets.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: Right now, it's all good.
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: I was gonna say, do you remember that, so the
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: simplest set is coding right just from a rules perspective, right, yeah?
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: What was the one of the clients from some folks
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: about CODA after a while, right, Like I remember the
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: BBQ guys saying that they just printed CODA with too
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: much amber and there was a bit of an opinion
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: that just having pips or steal was really what you needed.
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: Like doing other things didn't matter early as much, and
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: so like that was feedback. I don't know that Gig
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: was deeply thinking about that, but maybe I'll give them
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: a benefit of that for a second, even though I
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: probably shouldn't that maybe they said, hey, yeah, we're gonna
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: make a similar set, but we shouldn't just uh amber pips.
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: Pick you know, dust pixies all over the place, but
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: pick cards that are interesting but can't be too complicated, right,
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: you don't want a whole bunch of like curious sources
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: that right, Like that's not very player friendly. It's a
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: strong card, so you gotta you know, it's got Kirby's right,
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: it's got.
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's got some things. Yeah, it's got TMTP,
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: it's got routine jobs.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: So I'm looking at I'm looking at these ninety SaaS decks,
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: and to be honest with you, none of them are like,
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: oh this is a this is like these are just
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: I mean, yeah they were, And I don't know, maybe
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: maybe SASS needs to go back and look at some
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: of these older sets. I'm not sure, because it's logos
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: I'm looking at from a bookie like it's okay, it's
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: not the greatest thing I've ever seen, right, Like it's
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: got some good stuff, help from Future Self, minover Matter, Neurosciphon, Totel, Vapors,
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: Igor Daughter, Right, but like there's nothing in there that's
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: going to win you the game.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: I don't know that that logo set really looks nice.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: That is a very very.
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: It is a very good looking set, and even the
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: shadows looks good, right, double tm Yasma bomb.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: But there's let's finish there, Zenzisenzig, Time Traveler, q Mex
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: Helper Bot, Igor, Daughter, Totel, Vapors, Positron, Bolts, Neurosciphon, Neurosiphon,
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: minover matter, and help from Future Self. Like I'm telling you,
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: if you want that, that is a that is a
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: set of twelve cards that I would be extremely happy
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: happy to see you hold on. You have control, you have.
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: On twelve cards, but you need thirty six to play
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: the game correct And even isn't isn't it's not horrible.
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: It's not the greatest, right, you know, Nexus double Opportunists
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: maybe you know like uh, you know, like okay, subtle
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: change in their Chain Gang brand. There's some good stuff
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: in there, but there's not a lot. And then you
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: go into the Star Alliance. I mean you what you
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: have a role operations survey is not bad, but again,
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: none of these win games. If these go up against
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: decks outside of Discovery, I feel like they're just it's
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: gonna get thrashed. I don't feel like this deck would
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: be able to keep up with an Aria. I don't
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: feel like it definitely wouldn't. I mean definitely wouldn't keep
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: up with a pastor.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: Well, because you're looking at the recursion that exists in
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: both of those decks.
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: Okay, right now, Yeah, you're talking about some of the
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: best decks, but this is the best deck that I
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: have right now. To compare it.
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: To there's only sure, but there's only a thousands.
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: But I don't think opening more decks is always That's
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: never no, I've never agreed with that statement that like
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: you got to open more decks to see what it
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: really can do. You if in a manner of a handsot.
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: True for Coda, what there's billions, there's billions.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: So there's more decks atter Coda than there are.
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: To be sure, like Coda is even like even codas
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: by the wayside. Now what coda I mean besides fraud,
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: what coda decks are doing anything at the current time.
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: There's only a couple, right, so so now now, yes,
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: that still says that the pool, right, but I don't know,
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: like I think there's just too few decks right to say,
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: like it will never produce something. So which you have
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: to do? And I'm just doing this all my phone
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: real fast, right, I just so, I just went to
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: cards do, okay, and I just that I put discovery,
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: then I filter uncommon. Now I'm sorting by total so
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: whatever the mark stories of the comments, right, so so
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: let's just read down the list. This is where it
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: gets bad. Yeah, so let me go top ten here
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: com Officer Kirby. That's pretty good. Yeah, number two, oh
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: n I think yeah, sure, Number three Helper Bot Street,
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: number four, Savage Clash, that's a good. Card number five,
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: Realgue Operation, Yeah, number six, Taltow Vapors excellent. Card number seven,
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: Rad Penny, Yeah, I like her. Number eight, Hey Gore,
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: I goes very strong. Number nine the Zirker Slam that's problem.
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: Car number ten Rant Drive also very good. Okay, So
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: that's that's the top ten. That's that's bad. That's not bad.
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: Now now you probably really need to go by house
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: to figure out because that's it was kind of spread
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: around there, so you probably need to go to my house.
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: Look at the commons.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: Really, so while you're looking at that dres, realize that
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: even the gr like artifacts recursion, looking at the common
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: cards there in here somewhere, the momets going ahead and
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: looking and that's just geistoid for gr going ahead and
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: looking at beanstock in the amount of giants that are
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: coming in, looking at well of memory island to misfit
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: toys like those just in Geistoid alone. Sure already top
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: kind of what you are talking about.
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, well let's look all right, so we
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: need efficiency or recursion or something. So let's look at logos.
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: There are how many comments? There are sixteen logos commons, Yeah,
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: in set, so let's just do the top eight. Let's
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: do the top half. Okay, and see where this takes us, right,
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: because this is this is what's going to power your decks.
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: So help er bot, sweet totel vapors, sweet igor sweet yep,
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: daughter yep, cut the research eh wild wormhole and armor
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: drone all right, so we started. We sort of ran
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: a scheme a little bit there, but those first five
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: quite good. All right, let's go. Starlights is your other
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: option for efficiency, So we know we're gonna get Kirby.
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: Let's see pop it open, all right, So first one Kirby,
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: second one Rogue OPERATIONE third one cpo's eye tar. Yeah,
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: it's got drop pips. Yeah, all right. Then comes Emo alien.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: That's weird.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: Then daph survey you in into your discord. This is
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: a DT card. I remember what the hell this does?
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: Play choose one use a friendly non star alights creature,
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: two friendly creatures. He eats each Upbrade Okay, this is
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: like a transporter platform on a match. Okay, all right,
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: it's yeah, first Officer fra Yeah so we lost them
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: a little bit there too. All right. Well so so yeah,
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: yeah it's looking a little tricky. Maybe disc could save us.
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: What's the chances?
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: Not bad?
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: Just him? Okay, implosion like that grabble all the week, Slasher,
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: broken dreams okay, rod grub stirring Grave Okay, the's a
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: re exploit. Okay, yeah, you know those.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: Not so great.
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: So that is a little worrying, a little worrying. What
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: else we have? Cauld untame save us. That's number versus
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: Savage Clash. Let's see Savage clash. Okay, lost the woods,
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: very good, Let's stickbor Brooke. Okay, I suppose.
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: Four damage on play and increases key costs.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: The thing about Mustic because the deck that I opened
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: for this week had three of them, So we're seeing
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: because of the smaller card pool that you have a
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: lot more repeats. But Mustic is dual sided, and so
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: you're actually increasing your key costs to seven or eight
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: or nine if you have all three of them out
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: and if there are no creatures on the other side.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: To start, Mustik actually has to do it to itself.
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: I still think it's a good card, but it's not great.
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: It's not amazing. Got molly Mock, which I guess sort
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: off I control. We've got Gloriana's attendant, which is okay U,
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: which is the eye? Okay, rapid evolution really I think
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: key frog? So oh yeah, yeah, I don't know, but
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: that seems so hot.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: What about shadows?
• 43:12
  Speaker 7: Sure well, wall Dress, Yeah, wall Dress is looking at
• 43:18
  Speaker 7: your shadows because when I'm looking here for discovery.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: What was interesting was consistently shadows is showing up in
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: these top decks. We have double TMTP with me as
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: a bomb like some a large steal. But outside of
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: that you have quad routine job, quad routine job. So
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: seeing multiple ways to be able to steal is really
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: really important and something that actually brings a lot of
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: power to the game. Now, while Dress is looking that up,
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: I'm going to say, part of this experience is really
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: saddened by me. My my first deck that I opened,
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: Solid seven anyone sas very seeing the field marshal of Skulls,
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: brobnar dis and on Tames. But I had six amber
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: pips and out of those six amber pips, four of
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: them came on Anger. And this deck, I mean this deck,
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure that Pete people had in Yes, yeah,
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: four of them are coming on Anger. And then I
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: had and I had Memorialized to fall in and guess
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: what this This set is heavy on creatures. My deck
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: alone has twenty three. So when I finally could build
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: a board and then generate because there's no board wipe,
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: then Memorialized goes ahead and just extended the game. So again,
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: this is where I'm really going and talking about add
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: extra hamber on here, make the games go faster, do
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: not drag it out, have some tools, show some people
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: some fun. This this deck had I think it was
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: six different doubles or triples, so quad Anger, triple Toxin,
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: triple dust amp uh double, Ritual of Balance, double mustic
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: mermukee double which of the eye. You're just looking at
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: a lot of repetition, which brings consistency. But when you
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: have a smaller like card Pool, I don't know if
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: that's helpful for new players, Okay, I can see it,
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: or if it kind of makes it a little bit
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: more boring. So I just I really stress, don't put
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: these large. Put a higher amber counts, minimize what the
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: amber losses. If you're gonna go ahead and steal it,
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: I'm fine with it. But like more or less, the
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: Fallen when that's a very heavy creature set, just made
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: the games go so so slow.
• 45:51
  Speaker 5: Are there more creatures?
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: I mean I only have.
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: Yes, at least it feels that way. It feels like
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: again a very heavy like everything else has done since,
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: a very heavy focus on creatures.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean missing quite a bit of straight
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: board wipe. We talked about what was there for untamed.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: But if you're if you don't have untamed, it feels
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: like all right, yeah, outside of Savage Clash, it was
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: just like it's slow, it's a little redundant. That's that's
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: just the experience that I've had. But we want to
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: we want to have I want to have sets that
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: a player can come in, they can have fun with,
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: they play quick. Oh yeah, this was a lot of fun.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: Let's come back and try it again, and that they
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: can stand. I'm not saying they're going to win, but
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: I want them relatively close. And with the recursion that's
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: there from g R with the board spam that exists
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: from tokens of Change, with amber skies and all that
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: it can do, with the disc option and kind of
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: spamming the board consistently with out of house pips. I
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: just feel that there is such a discrepancy between even
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: the best decks in this sets that it's a great introductory,
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: but it's like it essentially is a standalone set, like
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: here you go, you bought it, and that's it. Now
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: jump now, jump in and gap.
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: I mean, and maybe that's okay because of Discovery right
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: like they did Portal back in Magic right, I don't think.
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't remember them being good. I don't know.
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: I don't like that magic though. So but it was
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: about introduction.
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: Well, let me tell you about Portal, because that's wer
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: I jumped in into magic and when I was younger,
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: Portal was an introductory set, right, it was not just
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: also was not designed. Portal cards were not legal. You
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: cannot play them, like if you went to a tournament,
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: you couldn't bring your Portal cards now, depending on who
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: you ask, much like any I'm gonna coffee now because
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: I'm talking. There are a lot of Portal cards now
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: that are worth a lot of money. Really, Oh yeah, yeah,
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: they're just there. There was some tutors that were done
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: so like Portal was designed as a set to be
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: very basic, right, so they took out it was creatures,
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: and then they took out they took out like instants
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: and interrupts, so it was all sorcery driven. But I
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: can't remember. One of the tutors came from Portal, which
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: is now a well sought after card. And then there's
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: a few other Portal cards like Portal three Kingdoms. There
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: was a guy who granted horsemanship to all your creatures.
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: Which horsemanship is a trait that unless somebody else has
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: horse spanship, they can't be blocked except for other creatures
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: with horsemanship. Well it was such a small thing, like
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: they never did horsemanship outside of that set ever again,
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: so nobody has horsemanship so for things. So the reason
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: portal and things became so popular was because of commander
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: when commanders like, yeah, whatever you got, come play it.
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: You know, it's it's a it's a more, it's a more,
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: I don't want to say, see commanders. It used to
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: be just more of a funsie whatever whatever whatever, you know,
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: thing to do. It's gotten so big now that I
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: don't know, I don't know if it's more popular competitively
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: or how it is. But it used to just be,
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: you know, very casual, and it was more about look
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: at this neat thing I'm going to try to do
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: in a hundred cards singleton format as opposed to like
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: winning the game.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: And the thing is not only that when you go
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: into anything, it's a multiplayer game, right, so when you're
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: going up against three other opponents, as soon as one
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: person starts pushing ahead, usually what happens what happens to one.
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: Player, everyone else turns on them, right, so it keeps
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: that level playing field where you don't have that in
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: Key Forage.
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: I mean the closest thing we have to multiplayer is
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: the Shitty Adventures, and they just don't seem.
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: No no, no, no no.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: We have volts Assault.
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, because that's a thing that everybody's playing right now.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: I think that it.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: Offers some options. I just think that again, like most sets,
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: it needed to be actually worked on and balanced. There
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: are individual cards in Voltassault that are much much much better,
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: and so you want to consistently take those cards, and
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: when there's a discrepancy in the power level, it's it's problematic.
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: I like the idea build it. Yeah, I mean, play
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: testing is a thing and it needs to happen with
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: both competitive and casual players and not just hey is
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: this fun? Because there are other aspects outside of is
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: this game fun? There is a competitive nature. That's why
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: you're heading to a vault right now.
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right, And I hate to tell you, like
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: for me, and I think for I mean, I don't
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: know anybody else that's not going to vault tours.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: Pete.
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: Pete can maybe tell us because he didn't always go
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: to vault tours, like there ain't much outside of the
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: vault tours to do.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: There's not much outside of the vault tours to do.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I don't understand the premise.
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: What's the cat like you're not I mean, you're going
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: you have a local, right, and some people have a
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: local but like there's no like local thing that like
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: you can go to and you're gonna like have a nice,
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: nice big turnout, right, Like the te Mault Championships are
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: coming up for Altered and from what I understand, they
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: had a decent turn up. Gotcha, right, Yeah, so you
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: don't have to go to the big thing because you
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: have this other little thing that's still kind of a
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: big thing. So I guess maybe it quenches that thirst
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: a little bit.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean in.
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: FFG days, we had a local scene that you could
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: show up and it was different from the people attending vaults.
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: And what has really turned now is people are attending
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: vaults or you might have a local scene, but it's
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: supplemented or taken care of by yourself. I think that
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: the Mars event was a lot of fun, but again
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: you're missing this idea of hey, I show up, I
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: do something weeklies, which is again, why the.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: The new what is it?
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: Key discovery?
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: The key.
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: I'm totally blinking right now, and I'm failing.
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure what you're even looking for.
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: No, No, the key, keychains.
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: Oh the key chains yep, which I got done by ggs.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: My gg.
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: But again this idea, there needs to be some trinket.
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: There needs to be some reason to show up weekly,
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: for people to for people to invest time and money.
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: It can't be hey, here's just a good group of people.
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: While that can carry you for a little bit. Finances
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: I mean you saw that finances across the year. It's
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: expensive on a weekly basis. It is at least fifteen
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: dollars for a deck, plus fifteen for food at the
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: very very very minimal just to be able to show
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: up for this event. That's a large cost across four weeks.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: You're talking one hundred and twenty just to drop for that,
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: let alone the time commitment, which frankly is a lot
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: more for people. So you have monetary restriction at times,
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: you have a time constriction at times. So if it's
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: your local that's saying hey, I'll go ahead and throw
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: in some decks, that's great. Even this week we've seen Magic,
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: which is running consistent with us in the background. They
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: get three decks. I asked she, how much is the cost?
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: It's roughly about six dollars from what he had. Gone
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: ahead and said, I don't know Magic. I have been
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: out of the Magic scene in a very very very
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: long time, and I was extremely casual. When you're talking Portal.
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: I had gotten out basically. Portal was just coming in
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: when I was leavings. I'm feeling very old right now,
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: but I'm going to say that what's nice about Magic
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: is the guys show up. It's roughly the same cost. Okay,
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: six dollars times three packs. Okay, we got eighteen dollars here.
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: I think they do. I want to do a flat
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: twenty bucks because then they do prize us too.
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: But that idea of okay, I have prizes. There's nothing
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: for key Forge unless we're putting in extra for it.
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: And I don't know.
• 54:56
  Speaker 5: I just Discovery is prices, right, So that's I mean.
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: Well that that was there. But let's be honest, outside
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: of outside of the store champs, outside of the Discovery kit,
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: outside of mars.
• 55:09
  Speaker 5: On cards, Yeah, the Archive card was the.
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: No think I think.
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: I think when they're doing something, it has been actually
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: an advantage to the community. My problem is is that
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: it's so sporadic and if we are not consistently bringing
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: people in and there's something that is going to them
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: on a monthly basis or on a weekly basis, we're
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: losing people. And we see that people who have even
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: made the trip for volts. There will be some of
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: those individuals who showed up last year at Rochester will
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: not be there.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: The question is will there be enough gain versus how
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: many people have lost because there's other games, it's always
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: in competition.
• 55:51
  Speaker 5: We don't have a prediction this time, right because last
• 55:55
  Speaker 5: time around they just told you what you were getting, right,
• 55:59
  Speaker 5: it told you you were number two.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: What you like, Yeah, we don't know.
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: Now they took it away because of us. You're welcome.
• 56:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's pretty easy. Like it wasn't even
• 56:11
  Speaker 5: it was right there on the page. It was like, uh,
• 56:16
  Speaker 5: you know there was any sort of problem.
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: Well, the short answer is what has been disseminated so
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: far as our numbers are. Unfortunately, well, we'll get to
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: predictions later. I am, I am, I'm hopeful, but I
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: know I've been talking a lot, Pete, What do you
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: think about the kid Did it attract you? Is it
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: something that it was a good idea but just didn't
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: have implementation because we have some really experienced players. What
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: are your thoughts on this?
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: When when I heard you guys talk about the kit
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: when it was first announced, I thought it sounded like
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: a really good idea. The the drip feed of prizes
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: to keep people coming back. I think we saw store
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: champion at least locally we store championships. I saw some
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: new faces through those, and then the Marsia Civil War
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: event saw some new faces for that, but I don't
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: I don't expect to see any new faces. I didn't
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: even go to the week you guys did Discovery. I
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: know you didn't see any new faces that week, right.
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: We haven't seen any new faces since you.
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, well it was you and Alex, and like,
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: I've just been begging and pleading and bringing people in
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: and trying to go out, and it's I mean, I
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: can grab kids from school and we can play there,
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: and I can play in game clubs, and I can
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: talk with my board game group. But at a certain
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: point it becomes across as very needy. And that's why
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: I keep coming back to it is like I can
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: only do so much. I've shown everything to the store.
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: It's the same people we go around. Hey, have you
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: heard about keyboards? You want to play keyboards? You want
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: a deck? Do you want to play? But I don't
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: know what more to do outside of potentially going on
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: a different day. You're in a completely different area.
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: Put on his.
• 58:02
  Speaker 5: Flamingo shirt, right, isn't that the one the ladies?
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 58:06
  Speaker 5: That's indeed?
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: I guess I like, what what loco car does you know? Online?
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: With every Wednesday having his own prize wall. I know
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: that was a thing that can I've heard of that
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: as a thing in f FG days, which sounds really
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: entice and exciting, like show up each week and at
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: least make a little bit of progress towards something cool.
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: Even if you open up a stinker and go zero
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: to three, Like that's neat. What about it?
• 58:29
  Speaker 5: Like would you be into digital stickers, like like calm
• 58:34
  Speaker 5: a few times, Like get a digital sticker that you
• 58:37
  Speaker 5: can then put on a deck that you can print, Yeah,
• 58:41
  Speaker 5: or just like collect these digital.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Does it ent p Yeah? I think those are
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: great ideas that's been pitched in depth on another on
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: Sydney's podcast. Right is this idea of this has to
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: be a relatively affordable thing to do, and I think
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: it is something that people would go for. And I
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: think anything that is done should focus in on what
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: is unique about KeyForge, and it's anything that kind of
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: drifts away from that. It's like you're going to get
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: demolished by Magic and any other hot new game that
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: comes on the market. Key Forge dolls unique properties and
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: one of those things is, yeah, personalize your deck. It's
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: the only one like it in the entire world.
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: Okay, So here here's my question. Because we've gone into
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: the deck and frankly, if I'm playing Magic, I can
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: open up three packs and maybe I'm walking in with
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: one card that I can use, but again I can
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: use that in a different area. Key Forge for prize
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: support just doesn't happen. It here's fifteen dollars and getting
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: one deck, so it's limiting the prize pool that can
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: go to others. My question comes, can we go ahead
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: and put cards that are full art foil, whatever they are,
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: but of one specific type and for them all you
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: can want towards it?
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: Yes, And the reason I say this.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: The reason I say this is because it should be
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: a lot easier to print. More Like here, I'm basically
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: printing a sheet and I'm cutting it, and that's thirty
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: six of them. It goes to the store and listen,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: how cool would that be? So let's just say, like
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: for aria, right, so for like this week, it's uh
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: in here somewhere, in here somewhere, which is the part
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: that is super relevant right now. But each week you
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: go when you get the chance to win a full
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: art in here somewhere, and you can and you can
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: just I mean, I don't think this is difficult for
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: people to do. You know, like you can look at
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: a decklist and be like, oh, yes, there should be
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: four in here somewhere is you know like these Like
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, you.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: Gotta sle stuff anyways. So like if your opponent like, hey,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 4: I want to do it quickly, just be like, hey,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: I'm using alternate arts. Cool, let me deck check you
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: real quick and I can check your deck beforehand, or
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: you know, judges, if I'm.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: At locals, if you're going to cheat honestly at locals.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 4: If you're at local thing. But I'm talking about vulteers, Yes,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: but at.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: The Vault tour, it's going to be checked. You're going
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: to see that it's there. They have the right to
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: check at any point in time.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: Right and.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: Goals.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, if you're going to use it a local, like
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 5: you're going to sell some sleeves for that store, because
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 5: it'll be like, oh, I got the school car. Oh
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 5: I guess I got to sleep an right, it's so so.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean just like that is. I believe it's
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 4: a thousand million, kajillion percent doable, but for whatever reason,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: they just do not want to pull the trigger on it.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: And well, I think I think it has the unique deck,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: and so if I break it apart, it's no longer
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: a unique deck. But I'm saying at this point, I
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: think you can still retain your unique deck, but you're
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: just trading out for this alternate.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 4: Art even more reprints now, yeah, I.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: Know, And that's why I'm saying it's even more unique.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: You can do all the things you want to do,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: like you probably you know what even be cool is
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 4: if you could have all right, I want so I
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 4: can now scan these into the Master of Ball enough
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 4: I want to get a deck reprinted. I can choose
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 4: that art and it will reprint that full art, right
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: that would be pretty cool. Yeah, right, and it'll just
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 4: it'll just come with it. It'll have the deck name
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 4: on it and all that good stuff.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: If you can just ask for the full art, right
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: no no, no, no, yeah, yeah, you'd have to win
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: it or attend a local or something like. It's not
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: just going to be given to you. But I can
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: scan that QR code then, right, that you can put
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: on the bottom of the card, or you can just
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: put it into my digital inventory. I don't I don't
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: know how, Like, I mean, we're doing it somehow with
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: store championships that you know, you scan it and all
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: of a sudden, yep, it's able to be reprinted with
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: a sticker. Now why can't I just scan it be like, yeah,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 4: I won this event and now everybody gets like this cool,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 4: Like everybody can walk away with a cool card in
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: you know, in hand and be like, oh man, this
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 4: card is sweet. It doesn't even have to have like
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: new art, so there's no money being paid to new art.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 4: You're literally just making it bigger, right I mean, And
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm gonna reveal it now. I'm working on
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: something on that my own right I have I have
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 4: in photoshop right now. I'm literally almost done because it
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 4: is very time intensive, especially when you get around the
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 4: Ember Pip and the and the and the little the
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: little icon. But I'm literally taking the boar. I just
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: took it in here somewhere, and I am literally just
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 4: shaving it down and getting rid of all of the extras,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: right so I'm getting rid of the whole background to
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: just make a p ANDNG. So it's literally just a
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: border of the card right with the with the Geistoid
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: logo at the top left and the Ember Pip right there.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: And then all I'm gonna do is find I already
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: have the file ready for in here somewhere because it
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: was released as a I believe it was released as
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 4: a playmap, but either way, the big version is ready.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna blow it up. I'm gonna put it in there.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna ship it off to what the hell is
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 4: this company's name? Trying to find them now I had
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: them up here. I'm gonna ship it off to this
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: company and they're gonna make foil versions of it for me,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: you know, and who knows what the back of the
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 4: card is gonna be maybe it's just a Arcons corner logo,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 4: who gives a shit? And then at the bottom, maybe
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 4: we put maybe And I'm hoping to have them ready
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: for Roseville, right, so maybe at the bottom I put something.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 4: I put something in bost Roseville twenty twenty five. And
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 4: you can even give these a wead Vault Tours. Right, Hey,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: thanks for coming to the Vault Tour. Here's your card.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 4: Oh you were top eight, you get a special junk restoration.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: Oh you were top four, you get you also get
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: a special ecto chart. I'm named literally naming all guys
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 4: started cards. But like, take your tick, go with your commons,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 4: go with cards that are very popular. It's not hard
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: to figure out what ones are popular. You fucking make
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: a top ten list every tournament, so you could figure
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 4: out what cards are very popular, and the most popular
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 4: card gets a treatment. And you can do this for
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: each Vault Tour, right, Roseville's can be in here somewhere,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 4: Rochesters can be against all Flags. Toronto can be help
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 4: er bot right, like you could do you know again,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: go on and you have an endless card supply, lottery
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 4: and all this art and this isn't different. I'm doing
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: it at my fucking house, no staff, just me.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: But I think if you're talking about that and you
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: announce it ahead of time, Wookie, like that would be
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: something to actually go seek. I just opened up on Easter,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: so that Easter, while technically it was Easter Sunday, I
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: opened up all of my Vault tour GEOTAG decks from
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: last year, and I had a little sadness because the split.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, those decks were very, very consistent. My low
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: was sixty nine, I was bad. My high was seventy eight,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: and outside of the one off deck for each of those,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: everything else was between seventy one and seventy four. I
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: have never seen a set of decks that are that uniform,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: and that was more than just each of the vaults
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: that are there. But like it's something to collect. If
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: I knew that, hey, this is here, maybe it's for
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: participation you get one, and for going out and making
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: top eight, there's a different one. I think that you
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: can go ahead and run those cards. I think it
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: would be.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: Something to add.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 4: It would be one for part you can do one
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 4: for Part two. Apation, you could do one for top eight.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, and I don't know how much
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 4: of those little foiler stamps cost. But you know, maybe
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 4: you don't even do that, but you could have one
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 4: for participation, one for top eight, one for top four,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 4: one for second place, one for winter. Then you can
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 4: do that for all three of yours.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: I don't think that you need to do it for
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: top four and top like top two.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 4: I honestly this doesn't like literally what they now. Maybe
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: it's gonna cost you a bunch of money, but like
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 4: right now, I think that cost you pennies, pennies, pennies
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 4: and the return is nothing but upside.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that it's cool to have a little
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: flex to show, hey, look I made this top eight,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: here's the card. It also potentially could be something to
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: trade or to be able to look for others.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 4: And if it's individually for the man Dryoscorp. If I
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 4: gave you one in here somewhere, you're like, why I
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 4: got to get the other four?
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: Now right?
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sorry the other three.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 5: So now it.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 4: Gives somebody to be like, hey, I'm looking to sell
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 4: my my in here something.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 4: They may not go for buckets of money, but they
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 4: will go for something. It gives a player who doesn't
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 4: care about that thing, the ability to get a return
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 4: of something on an investment as opposed to fucking nothing. Right,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: thank you for your donation.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: Do you know how much do you know? Do you
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: know how much money I made off of the g
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: Ota decks from the last year twelve dollars? Oh no,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: it was it was negative. I actually shipped. I paid
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: for shipping around the world to be able to get
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: our decks from overseas, and so it actually costs me money.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: There was not a single cent that was made.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: Off they get doing so well in a vault tour.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: I paid money debt.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 5: I wondered the Forest of Endor didn't a great economy.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean I'm still proud to have that set,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: and I'm working on an actual wooden display for it,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: so there's some pride in that. But outside of my
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: individual pride, it's like it means nothing, and that's that's sad.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: That is really sad.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 4: Listen. It's a cool thing to have, but like, who
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: are you going to show it to?
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: I mean I made, as he said, I made a
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: bit for selling my geotech decks. I was only able
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: to sell like eight or something for twenty apiece, but
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: twenty a piece is literally five off of what a
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: normal deck would be. I guess it's something. And so
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: that's that's where you just need to look.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: For nothing.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 4: Right, it's not a great set. So like that that's
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 4: a problem.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 5: Well, let's see, we're going to find out about uty soon.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: Yes you will. Are you gonna go ahead and actually
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: take some photos and send them out to everyone?
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, I think I will.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so definitely check. I mean, that's that is something
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: fun for vaults. I'm not a big vault Master person.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: I think they could frankly do away with it, but
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: I appreciate DRez that you're going to be there, Manzula,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: be there, and hopefully you guys will take that photos.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 4: They made vault Master a real thing. And by real thing,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 4: I mean and you're gonna hear who is a JM
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 4: that complains about vault Master. I mean, we haven't heard
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 4: a complain about vault Master since we first came out.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 4: But if you made vault Master good, I bet you
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 4: more people would show up to vaults because there's something
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 4: to actually gain. There is no game. What did you
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 4: gain with your vault Master set?
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: Debt?
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 4: Debt?
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: So I mean to gain on it.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 4: So like if if you made a Vault Master set.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: Good.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 4: Oh no, it's exclusive. Yes, I paid hundreds of dollars
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 4: to travel there, to to eat there, to spend nights
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 4: in a hotel there, and to play there. I mean literally,
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 4: you're looking at and our cheapest vault to her, our
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 4: cheapest vault tour is Rosville, and it's still about three
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 4: hundred bucks to get there, eat, do your thing, and
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: then go home.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: But but Wookie, I have such a great experience. It's
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: all about the experience, and so that just doesn't matter,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 3: right to look at it.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 4: But experience doesn't put food on the table, right, I
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 4: mean at the end of the day, right, I get it.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 4: This is hold on, gold on, hold on at the
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 4: end of the day. I understand this is a luxury cardboard, right.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: I understand that it can't all be about the money, right,
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 4: But to a certain company, it is all about the money, right.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 4: And yes, all of us go there for different reasons.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 4: I go there to get drunk, right, That's that's that's Listen.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 4: It may not be for you you walk, but for me,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 4: that's my weekend to let loose.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: I don't do that.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 4: I don't do that.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: That's a mental health break.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 4: So going with you and Dan and Drascre and the
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 4: dras Corp experiences like these are my jam, right, Like,
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: these are the things that I enjoy doing because number one,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 4: I'll get to see drass core really all too often.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 4: I get to see you with Dan a lot. But
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 4: it's not like we're bar hopping every weekend.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 4: So like drunk Dan's fun Dan. I don't know if
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 4: anybody knew that, but drunk Dan is fun Dan.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: He becomes significant in the side in your arm and
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: that gets annoying.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 4: That that okay, So to be fair, I was gonna
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 4: say that is a unique experience only known to you,
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 4: like I have never had.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: None until it happens to others.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 4: Yes, I mean my worst case scenario is he tries
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 4: to lift me up and dumps me on my head.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, you don't need the loss of brain cells.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: I'm just gonna say that.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 4: Well, so either way, right, But like they're just there
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 4: needs to be something there needs to be that draw
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 4: vault Masters. Originally, man, I remember that first first tour
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 4: vault Masters came out, and I had no plans on
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 4: going to anything that year, and I felt fomo until
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 4: until it came out that the set was dog water right.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 4: Once the set was like, well, it doesn't even matter.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 4: It no longer mattered to me.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that's the problem is that we
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: don't even announce what the prizing is like coming into Rochester,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: what's the prising?
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah? What do you?
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 4: I mean, we're completely off cast against but slaps with Josh?
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: If you in, do you get to slap Josh? Do
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 4: you get to sexually harassed Josh?
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: No?
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: No, no, We're not going down this path.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 5: I what what I did have an idea, but for
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 5: it that I forgot that I just remember it, so
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 5: thank you. All Right, another cool thing you can do
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 5: with cars? So they have the art, right and you
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 5: said make it big, right, Ye, everybody loves that. But
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 5: now right they own this art or license or whatever.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 5: But uh, with all these AI tools, you could just
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 5: take a piece of art and transform it into a
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 5: different style. Now, so it's like you could get anime
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 5: style of that art, like really easily, right, Like even
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 5: cherity could do that.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 4: Right, and that well, there's there's a lot.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: When I can I pause you hear dress because there's
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: a lot of art there's a lot of artists. There's
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: a lot of artists who have real issues with AI.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: So I do want to at least state that as
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: a concern. I know that it's there. It's a tool.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: Some people really enjoy it, but not everyone, and so
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 3: I do have to at least voice that it. Our
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: artists are talented individuals who invest a lot of time
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: and energy to make their art. Sure, Okay, but yes,
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: if we can go ahead and utilize the original art
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: to modify, yeah, it could be an option.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 4: I agree.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 5: We could upload your own art, right, you can make
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 5: his uh something like some newty cards or something, right, I.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: You know, I know Brad that he just got Rather
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: every everybody's free to free to like what they want.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: But gosh, hearing you guys talk about alternate card art
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: and full art cards. What an absolute nightmare? Half the
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: cards look the same? Yeah, No, like all the equanim
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: cards look the same to me. All the guys with
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: cards look the same to me. I could read a
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: card ten times and then see a week later and
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: bring it completely what it does. But I mean, that's
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: get a rookie or whatever they are.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: But but but I get rookie in But it's you
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: have the text that's below. Is it really that problematic
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: where you could look at the text and still read it.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: It's additional effort and energy.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: Okay, and I and I agree with that it is additional, and.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: Then that that ties back to an agreement I have
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: with the game also, is like the there seems sometimes
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: to be really arbitrary the way mechanics work, like will
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: g R. You know, if I'm doing something to your
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: creatures on the board, sometimes it matters if I'm haunted.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: Sometimes it matters if you're haunted. And it seems arbitrary
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: and not consistent. So taking away text or changing the
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: card art is just like another layer on top of
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: the mind f of it all.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: And that is a formatting issue from GG and frankly
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: before that with f FG, they needed to be a
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: lot more consistent with their formatting. They weren't. It's it
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: does create some issues for the game.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 4: So I hear that, all right, Well we've gotten into that.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 4: We've got into a lot over a lot of different things.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 4: Holy Macarny, my brain is spinning. I'm not even going
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 4: to go into the fact that there was no marketing
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 4: for any of the Macarny.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: The the no marketing was the underlying component.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 4: And don't you know, you know what would even be cool?
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 4: You know in your marketing, you know what would even
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 4: be cool. And we just talked about Carter and I
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 4: know you're against a pete, but you know it would
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 4: be really cool. Hey, the winner of this vault gets
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 4: to be in the next set. I don't know if
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 4: that's a big that might be a big cost, but
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 4: or you know, sort of right, well, what is it
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 4: to a tooth? Yeah, so five hundred.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 4: I don't know, maybe they get to pick it, maybe
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 4: they get to pick a ca Well, I guess picking
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 4: a card to be in the next set might be problematic.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's more for worlds. The problem is is
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: that we.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 5: Have maybe maybe people from Yeah.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, there's a backlog of people
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: from Game Found because not everyone came out in Amber
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 3: Skies And.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 4: So that's cool.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 5: Still.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 4: People go to a Vault tour and win it, right,
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 4: I mean, go to a Vault tour and win it.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know, Please don't win.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 5: You're playing. I can't borrow anymore. If I would.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 4: Win, I'd be so sad. And then i'd have to
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 4: go back to al Oh no, while.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: They're there, I can spend Josh. I'm simply gonna go
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: ahead and say, I think that the ease of play
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: the Discovery Kit had really cool key charms. I like
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: the idea of trying to bring people back weekly.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 4: Josh had nothing to do with this. Okay, gg, there
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 4: you go.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: All right? Does that make you feel better? But I
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: think that they kick as a whole miss because frankly,
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 3: Discovery kind of didn't hit. The timing was problematic, and
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: there was no marketing. So I know, we keep falling
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: into this trap, but we need marketing, Like you're gonna
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: have to reach.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 4: Out to marketing, Facebook marketing.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: Outside of Game Found. You have to do additional marketing.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 3: Like you can tell me that you're cold calling stores.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 4: But wait if you say the cold called a store.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 3: Yes, when that is actually well known that they are
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: cold calling. That's part of their marketing plot. But they're
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 3: reaching out to Yes, they're calling stores that once sold
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: key Ford in order to see if they want to
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 3: sell key forards and support Keybords again. And and I
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 3: hear this, but where that is.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 4: The worst marketing tactic I have ever heard that is
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 4: a waste of time cold calling.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: I will call, I will pay for your swear jar donator.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 4: Hey, do you want to buy a game that burned
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 4: you in the past and now buy it again?
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: Boy?
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 4: Have I got a bridge to sell you?
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: So instead we need to provide players support and here's
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: your support at a very very reasonable If not, and again, honestly,
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: their kids aren't that expensive. But here is something. If
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: you're if you have people running, here's the event.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 4: If you made awesome kits, players would be begging their
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 4: local stores to get them.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 5: I feel.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: Now the players who are who are going ahead and
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 3: asking for it anyway, Absolutely, I don't I don't. I
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: don't see any new players coming in.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 4: But if you make a great kit, if you make something, yeah,
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 4: because you have to make something that people want, right
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 4: like key chains. Although I love the trinkets, I don't
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 4: think as a math math, as a mass hole. I
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 4: don't think the trinkets are gonna cut it right. I
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 4: think the no, No, it's a.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: Great I think the key charm was appropriate.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 5: One.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: You have keys that can be used in the game,
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 3: but they're also something that can be put on with something.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 4: But a new player like if they get handing them
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 4: a key chain, but it can be you.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm fine with that there are limited there,
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 3: go ahead, Pete.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: That new player is probably upgrading their their cardboard tokens
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: if they had any in the first place, right.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: Or their pennies. I please please upgrade your pennies or
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: your cardboards.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 5: Tud nickels.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 4: Alright, so it's time to go into predictions for Rochester.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 4: We're we're not going crazy on predictions like we used to,
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 4: like who's going to win, because I don't even think
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 4: we all know who's going But what do we think?
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 4: And I tried to find this and it's probably somewhere
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 4: in our notes. I don't have the mental or real
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 4: need to figure out what Rochester's uh oh, seven, there
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 4: was seven people at Rochester last year. How many people
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 4: were in Rochester last year? It was pretty I thought
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 4: it was like sixty some How many people were Rochester
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 4: last year? Little Sea think's eighty eighty five? Eighty eighty five?
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 4: It's I'm sure it's somewhere in our notes. I just
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 4: don't remember. And I tried to look up the article,
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 4: and for whatever reason, I can't figure out how to
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 4: go back at their website used to have like a
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 4: read more section. We're like, you could see all the articles,
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 4: and I don't see that anymore. Am I crazy?
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: On? Now?
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 4: On anybody else not see it?
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: Just me?
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 4: It's in there somewhere.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 5: So I'll be predicting sets. Is that what we're going
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 5: to do?
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: Right now? Right?
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 4: So right now? Okay, so what is the attendance going
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 4: to be? What is what is the attendance?
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: Hold on, I got I got you.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, I know.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: You had exactly seventy two last year.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 4: Seventy two last year.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: Oh he even pulled it. I was coppying and moving
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: it up, all right, all.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 4: Right, So seventy two players went to Rochester. I think, Morgan,
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 4: I think you need to go to Rochester. Noah, soby
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 4: this year, right, none of the Canadians are showing up.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: Too soon?
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: Okay, so that that's still too soon.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: I put it.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 3: I put it in green all of the vaults. That's right.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: So Rochester had seventy in attendance, sixty one sealed, fifty
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 3: five arc and ten allions. Will we go single digits
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: and a lions boys?
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 4: Well, okay, so it depends.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: I'm out of order.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 4: Let's start with how many attendants? So I am going
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 4: to say, well, under seventy. I am gonna I am
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 4: gonna go, man, I am gonna go. I want to
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 4: say thirty two. That's the first number that popped into
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 4: That's the number. That's the first number that popped into
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 4: my head was thirty two. So I'm gonna run with
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 4: no way. You can say that's too low. Everyone is
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 4: saying too low, And that's fine. I know it's I
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 4: know it's a big center. I'm just I'm going with
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 4: the first Literally, that's the first number that popped into
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 4: my head. So I'm running with it.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: Pete draz and then I'll go, come on, what do
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: you guys get?
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: Well, that's a that's a mean answer, I think, and
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: that's a pessimistic answer. It's so I'm gonna do you
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: welcome to the Kid Show?
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 5: How picked it up?
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: The Oh?
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: I know, oh, I know the brand. I'm familiar. I'm
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: gonna go thirty.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 3: We gonna go two hours every.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: Week exactly, I'm gonna go thirty three. Whoa, whoa.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: That is like sorry, but he's that that call is
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 3: like validating Wookie there negativity.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 4: Oh my best friend.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: Wow, I need a whole other beverage here, Dress Court,
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: help me out. Brother.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 5: All right, here's what I think. So so I so
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 5: if it was seventy two last year, I put my
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 5: number in.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 3: Go dress.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 5: I think I think I have two numbers. Of the
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 5: second the first number that's not allowed.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 3: You are allowed one and you can ask Metal Zoe
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 3: to say the other one.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 5: The second number is gonna be the real number. I'm
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 5: gonna explain the first number, right, This is not It's
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 5: not my guess. I think try to recent scenarios, recent situations.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 5: I think we I think we might have hit eighty.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 4: I would agree with you.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 5: And I think I think we're not going to see
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 5: a bunch of Canadians coming to the US, and I
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 5: think we're going to be closer to sixty sixty five,
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 5: So I'll say sixty.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: Okay, Well, I put mine in. I gotta stick with it.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 3: I think that we continue to have a little bit
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: of loss due to just players moving on to other games.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: I may be under selling what we have for our
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 3: Canadians not coming down. I hope not. And I think
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 3: I put sixty five. I think that is probably generous.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 3: But with with the new news with where our presence
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: situation is. Yeah, with with the relationship between with tariffs
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: between a mayor in Canada or the rest of the world,
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 3: I think that it probably is going to be closer
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: to fifty five. But I'm still gonna I'm gonna be
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 3: the optimistic one. I'm going to say sixty five. I'm
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: going with it. Okay, So we have thirty two, thirty three,
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 3: sixty and sixty five.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 4: May the best man win, all right?
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Right.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 4: I don't think there's a wrong answer in this scenario.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 4: I just that's where I just I mean, I mean.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 5: They're probably all wrong.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 4: Probably, I mean they're they're wrong.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 5: I mean, prices, what do you think, probably how many
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 5: people are going to show up to Rochester? Fifty He says,
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 5: fifty seven.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 3: That is God, it is official.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 4: Now, I feel that's a respectable answer.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 5: Which he says, that's a respectable answer. We go cheers.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 4: I think that for Prices Right Rules, you're spot on
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 4: the castscore.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: I think Metal Zoe is probably actually closest in my opinion,
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: to Prices Right Rules. So probably I think he's gonna
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: be right.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 4: Like I said, thirty two was the like, I don't
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 4: know why it just like you ever just have something
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 4: in the back of your head just scream at you
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 4: and go this.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: If we if we honestly go from lookie, if we
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 3: go from seventy to thirty two or thirty three, I
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: am actually I will say, I am really worried.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 4: And I know I think you should be.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 3: I know what has been told to me, and I'm
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 3: a little sad about that. Numbers are not showing where
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 3: they were last year. But I got to be the
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: optimistic one. I got to be able to bring some positivity.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 4: Bring the positivity. Nobody's upset at you.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 3: And honestly, last year for Roseville, we had forty in attendance,
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 3: thirty six for our com thirty two sealed, and twenty
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: nine lines. We had a wonderful time. But I think
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 3: the idea of will it be? Will it be stacked?
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 3: If the numbers are lower.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: Will it be?
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 4: That's that's the question. So will it be stacked?
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna roll with it.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 4: Will it be stacked? Yes or no? This is a
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 4: simple yes or no answer. Well, let's just say, let's
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 4: put it this way. If numbers are low. If if
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 4: numbers are low, right, because obviously if numbers are big enough,
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 4: they can't stack it. If numbers are low, will they
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 4: decide to stack the event? Because they have said in
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 4: their little dibbly do right, No, we're not going to
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 4: stack the event. No, how, no way, not going to happen.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: I believe I.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 5: Think they've had time to think about this and that
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 5: they're not going to. Okay, you think otherwise, I do.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 4: I feel if the numbers pan don't pan out the
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 4: way they want them to, or they don't pan out right,
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 4: and we end up in a in a Roseville situation, right,
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 4: and it's just Sydney trying to play alliance.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: Right, It's like.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 4: There will there will be others, it will be like
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 4: three or four others, right, depending on who's there else.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 4: I don't know who's all going. I like the only
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 4: other people I can think.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 5: Of, Marrow will play it. It'll be Sidney versus Cat
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 5: Marrow as the only.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 4: T JDG is not going Canadian right. And then the
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 4: only other one I really know that would do much
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 4: of anything is boy Am I drawing a blank on
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 4: his name? No, not GOORLAMI totally drawing a blank in
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 4: his name right now names ancient bear Republic guy.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 5: We just talked about him to eighty.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 4: There we are, thank you, Avi, the only only so
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 4: with Havy being said, right, like, I think those are
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 4: the only two that would do much of anything, right,
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 4: all right, But I mean if I feel wait, I.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 3: Stepped away for a split second, what is happening?
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 4: Oh, no, figure out we're trying to figure out, like
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 4: trying to figure out who else besides Sydney would be Like,
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 4: I want to play Alliance, but I think if numbers
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 4: are low, I think you will.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 3: Cat Morrow is going to go ahead and play. It's
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: well known she will plays going to.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 5: Be the immediate final, right.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 4: But if not so, I am going with yes if
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 4: if numbers so you're saying no, Drascore, right, if numbers
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 4: are low, they still won't split it.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 5: I yeah, that's what I'm gonna. Sorry, I uh, We'll say.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 4: I believe that if numbers are low, they will one
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 4: hundred percent stack them elok or I'm sorry, Pete, You're next.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: I'll say, yeah, I guess if they if they're low enough,
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: you almost have to write to right or why have
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: Alliance at all? At that point?
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 4: Well, we've been asking that question for two years.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I put in here, Yes, below fifteen, I don't
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 3: want to see it stacked. I think that they've said
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 3: they won't, but I everything that i'm hearing, everything that
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: i'm seeing, everything from the past, tells me otherwise. So
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 3: I'm saying yes. If it is below fifteen, I'm saying yes,
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 3: they will stack them. That can be good or bad
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 3: for those who are below fifteen. Yeah, fifteen entrance are
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 3: below fifteen total people. I think if there are less
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 3: than fifteen people for Alliance that it is reason for
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 3: it to be able to stack, because they want to
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 3: increase those numbers. But I'm simp My answer has to
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 3: go as a yes. But I am listing it as
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 3: a yes.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 4: Meals what you got?
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 5: Do you think we'll stack Alliance if the thumbers are
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 5: low on them? So they said they would. If we're
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 5: at forty eight, yes, forty eight total players below that,
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 5: you think they'll okay? So forty eight below forty eight
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 5: total players. He thinks they'll.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 3: Realize that Rochester's Alliance last year was ten.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 5: There was ten in Rochester.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 3: Ali, Yeah, there was a total seventy player, sixty one
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 3: played sealed fifty five alliance. I am not joking when sheep,
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 3: and I came up with the idea and it was mine,
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 3: let's go ahead and run sealed an Alliance on one
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 3: day and Sealed an arc Hunt on the other day.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 3: And I know that there was a cast that talked
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 3: about going ahead and mixing those up. But I think
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 3: I'm not even joking. I don't think that Sealed will
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 3: beat out Alliance. I think it will, but I think
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 3: Sealed will also beat out Arkhon Like if you have
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 3: a mirror.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 4: Every single time.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: I think that right now that would actually have the
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: biggest pull on both days. And you just have two
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 3: sets of top eight, like first, if.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 4: You don't me the choice of Sealed or all, I'm
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 4: playing two days of Sealed.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 3: It really is the same, all right, Pete, mhm. You
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 3: came out to KFC with us. You are looking at
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 3: going to Roseville. Apparently we have Rottsville in here, so
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 3: I get it.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 3: When I'm looking here, I didn't even know it. If
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 3: you had a choice between Sealed an ARCon, which would
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 3: you choose?
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: And why I would choose sealed because it's even playing fields.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: Everyone has a chance. I feel comfortable with the current sets.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: I assume it's imber skies this year, well.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 4: Who knows we got we got another question coming up
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 4: with that too.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then as far as Arkon goes, uh yeah,
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: I saw the file refrain. I don't. I don't file refrain.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: Players aren't going to be at every Vault tour, but.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 3: It's not all twenty four. I really think that's more
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 3: of a world's representation. And not only is it worlds,
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 3: but it's like worlds. But we also pulled the best
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 3: decks from all of our friends.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: So absolutely, uh yeah. If I if I had an
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: Arkon deck I was really in love with and I
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: really wanted to test, I would I would use Arkon Oversealed.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: I'm almost there, but I haven't quite found the right one.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: I think, ooh.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 3: Morgan in our comments, so again you should follow along
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 3: with ac live show. We're still going going strong. They
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 3: should just kill Alliance.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 4: They should.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot of answer will be back there.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 3: I pick Arkon, but I do enjoy Sealed, and I
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 3: think that's where a lot of people are.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 4: I honestly think they should do kill lions, right, or
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 4: if you want to keep it around, you do one
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 4: day sealed Alliance where you're able to Alliance your sealed
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 4: decks one day you get three pick one old school,
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 4: old school sealed Arkon.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 3: Right, But the short answer is why is Alliance a
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 3: premiere format? It just doesn't hold, And.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 4: I know because they want it to be, But it's
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 4: not anyway.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 3: Beating our dead horse.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 4: I'm not gonna let's see moving on. Well, okay, So
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 4: for ar Kan, what set will win?
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: Arkan?
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 4: Drascars going gr Yep, we're both typing at the same time.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 3: E walk right, Oh you're gonna throw me next? I
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 3: I actually I still think g R. I think with
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 3: Bandola big there, I think that. Yeah, I think that
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 3: GR just is too strong with what's there?
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 4: Okay, go ahead, metal Zoa. Can you hear us?
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 5: What set do you think is going to end?
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 4: Arkhan ark.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 5: Amber Sky's I don't know, right, some ass Pete's.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: I was very tempted to say amber Sky's because I
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: do think it's a like a sleepy giant. The more
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: that gets open eventually.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 4: There it does.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 3: What people are missing is that amber Sky's does not
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 3: have the same restrictions that g R has, and I
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 3: think that is really really important. What I don't for well,
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 3: for Arkan, it is just straight up.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 5: So that is what you have.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 3: I think there are no number of arc on decks
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 3: that can do it. I just I don't see it yet.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: I have this. Okay, so gr ye.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 3: Think I don't know. There are some tools to be
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 3: able to I don't know. It's a really good deck.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 3: We'll have to say, I am. I am teetering right now. Okay,
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 3: Well you want to say I want to say g R.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: Okay, but you're not.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 4: I also want to say talk. So I will go
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 4: against the grain.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 3: He's going to talk.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 4: I'll go talk just because everyone.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 5: Else a g R. All right, I mean bettle zos
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 5: ever Sky, but yes.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 4: Well everywhere every you know, I mean there's one, two,
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 4: three g rs. So I will say something along the
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 4: lines of talk. All right, moving into Alliance stress Corps,
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 4: what set take down Alliance?
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 5: Anybody you know? Frog leg is going to be thereat.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 4: Are you going to be there? Yea, he's type and hold.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: On we're waiting.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 5: No, oh, he's not gonna be there.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 4: All right, So so DT's out.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, vote Master twenty five go with the ultimate upset.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 5: Mm hmmm. I mean uh so all right, so I
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 5: forget the so so Wadka's out right? Is that is
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 5: that true statement?
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 4: Vodka is not out, you're just oh wait and hold on, No,
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 4: they just out. Vadka is not out. They only were restricted,
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 4: did they were? Yeah? Because you only Morgan helped me.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 4: All right, are you?
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 3: Here's the list? Are you ready be funtle? Any umbers,
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 3: any number, most farm, any number, hellifast one per dact
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 3: part of the forest, any number in furnace, any number,
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: jervy any number, here's where you care? Key abduction one
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 3: per deck, eginary trainer, any number, stealth mode any number,
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 3: United action any number, wins of death any number, and
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 3: so key abduction and death.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 4: So no, wa okay, So yes, I couldn't remember if
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 4: they added wins because you know, I'm not really up
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 4: to date on my alliance.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 5: I think here's my guess. I think somebody gets a
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 5: whole ton of crazy house pips that just plays one
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 5: house wins skies. I think that somebody is cooking that
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 5: up and hasn't been hasn't been super sharing that. And
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 5: we're just gonna see every card is acing.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 4: Every card.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you just play every just play this every turn.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 3: And have you been littering at it while you're have
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 3: you looked at the Okay. Have you seen any of
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 3: those decks that are pushing out that amount?
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 5: Okay, I've been looking at the Okay for alliance. I
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 5: look at the OKA all the time.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 3: I look more than I need to, and wish and
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 3: hope and pray for decks and then I open not
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 3: lottery winners. Yeah, and that's where most of us are.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 3: But the short answer, I look for decks. But even
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 3: hitting where you have eight pips coming out has not
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 3: existed five pips coming out is I don't think we've
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 3: hit five pips or it's very very very low. I
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 3: got to go in. That's one of the searches that
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 3: I had. It just that they're so in frequent and
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 3: that is just cards that can push out those, not
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 3: even of a single type. So we don't have access
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 3: to that amount. So mine was amber Sky's plus House Enhancements.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 3: That's with every single card here, Tattoo, Gratu, Fancy Donovan,
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 3: Phoenish Apprentice, literally, Serene, game Changer, literally all of them,
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 3: and we're looking at five or more and there were
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 3: zero decks. So you just don't have enough, in my opinion,
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 3: to push that.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 4: So that's what you're going.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 3: So draz to go back. There are four out of
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 3: those cards, all of the house enhancements and amber Skies.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 3: There are eleven decks that have four of them. Now, ironically,
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 3: I've been looking at this. Mars has two of those
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 3: cards and it shows up a little bit more frequently.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 3: But I still don't think those pods are enough to
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 3: be able to win.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 4: So with that being said, what set are you choosing?
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 3: No, I'm well known for going through here.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 4: M do you want? Do you want us to come
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 4: back to you?
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 3: No, I'm gonna believe in my friends. I'm gonna believe
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 3: in my friends. One of the two amber Sky's players.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 3: I'm going amber Sky's with a lockout. And I know
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 3: you're arguing it's too slow. I see it, but I'm
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 3: gonna go. I'm gonna I know, and I hear you,
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 3: but I have love for her, and so may may
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 3: our local an amazing Keyfode player.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: Do well? So Amber.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 5: What's that's gonna win? A liance? We think Sydney's playing
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 5: a campus guys.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 8: She is yeahs taken deep thoughts, Deep thoughts.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: Talk talk.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 4: Nasty stuff.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 5: Alpha Gamma is the prediction.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 4: Okay, okay, lots of archive, uh yeah, okay, you don't
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 4: get two cents e walk. I just put in I
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 4: have some love Amber Scott slash coda. You don't get
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 4: to you get to pick one sneak.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 3: Alright, I go with the amber skyes. I will I'll
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 3: just be dress course twinning. We're gonna go ahead and
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 3: win this all.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: Minute.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 4: I turned back and all of a sudden, it says
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 4: amber size slash coda. I'm like, what are you doing, Pete.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 3: That happens when you control of the.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: Sheet also amber Sky, and you have to show me
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: how this search works for house pips, because I've not
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: found an efficient way to do it. It always results
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: in like five six, seven, eight different search terms per house.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: Some interesting how that happens for it.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 3: So I will share this. This is my tidbit for everyone.
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 3: It was a pain in the side, but the best
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 3: way I found to do it is under cards. You
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 3: have to put any it says any of these cards,
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 3: and so I can individually put every single car that
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 3: has an enhancement. So I put Tattoo, Gradtu, Fancy Down, event, Fienish, Apprentice, Serene,
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 3: game Changer, vestaed, Harald, Google Keeping and literally listed all
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 3: of them, and then under copies, you can put in
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 3: one two and then you can see. That's when I
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 3: found if someone has an easier way, I would love
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 3: to see it, but that was the best way because
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 3: it is a little it's not efficient, it's not, but
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 3: that was the.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: Best has to be. There has to be at least
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: one copy of each card that you put in that list, though,
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: so you're excluding situations where one common appears. I don't
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: know what's the most times the comedic could appear four
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: or five times.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 3: No, it's it's four copies. So if Bossom Crean shows
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 3: up four times, that would be in there. And there are.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 4: Example he's just searching for any deck that consists of
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 4: those any of those those cards, and by searching, he's
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 4: not limited, like he's not just any decks that involve
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 4: those cards.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 5: And so no yet.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 3: So as a result, Nurian J Spark Papa the ninth
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 3: has Bossom Crean and it has a total of four
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 3: of them, so it hits the threshold of having four
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 3: of those cards, and then you can kind of see
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 3: it actually ends up having more because of there is
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 3: a disc or a geist a card that's also popping in.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: But but you would need to do a seven search
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: for boson Creative and then we.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 4: Can talk about this in a different episode. All right, done,
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 4: got it almost two hours here.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 3: I am going to get into the sweet spot here
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 3: for keeping. He's still driving, man, I am going to.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 4: I am going with the dark Horse away.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: Yes, I guess.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 4: With Martian Generosity now being taken off of the list,
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 4: it does not matter anymore. Not only that you now
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 4: also have help from future selfs and the other one
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 4: that allow you to do crazy wacky stuff. So I
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 4: believe I believe it will be aoay.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 9: Yeah, And that's why I that's why I put it
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 9: in CODA, because CODA has the option to actually have
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 9: battle fleet, it has help from future self, and it
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 9: has time traveler that can be repeated like.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 3: All of that makes CODA that much more efficient, especially
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 3: with control the week. Yep, it's just it's a one
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 3: horse pony that has to lean heavily into it. But
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 3: I don't think that Dak or those pods are going
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 3: to be on the East coast, and so that's why
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  Speaker 3: I'm still going to stick with Amber Scott.
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  Speaker 4: So nuts Dad's gonna be there, Well, we will see.
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  Speaker 4: I think that's what he's rocket. So all right, I
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 4: don't have I don't have official confirmation in this, but
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 4: I thought I heard something somewhere. Yeah, Morgan, this Alliance
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 4: convo is taking longer than an actual Alliance game. True, yep,
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 4: all right, all right, final very thing. We already did
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 4: our coun basically, Yeah, we did our count already. You
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 4: just kind of ye. So what set will be played
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  Speaker 4: for sealed? Will it be Prophetic Visions or will it
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 4: be amber.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: Sky's amber Skuy's.
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  Speaker 4: We're gonna take it there, Okay, Yeah, I think it.
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  Speaker 5: Is possible we might magically find a Prophetic Visions deck
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 5: in our but I that is not going to be see.
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  Speaker 3: I think I think that you're going to see potentially
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 3: crucible clash, but I don't see prophetic visions.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 5: Really, yes, are you sure they're even done designing that yet?
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 5: I don't think they were all in their posts. They're like, look,
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 5: how doune we are with prophetic Visions. I was like,
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 5: I see nothing about crucial clash, and I think that
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 5: they're like, oh, ship, you did say, We're gonna design much.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 4: Much like every other a bonus set. Ever, it'll just
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 4: be thrown together. So this is one dumb thing.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 3: We don't need bonus sets. Do this the two sets
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 3: we're gonna have a year and do them right. Do
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 3: them right.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: Last year still all woe? Or did it switch to
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: grimm reminders?
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 4: For it was immediately grim reminders there was They did
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 4: not They did not have a change in it whatsoever.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 4: It was all just grim Reminders. So the g R
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 4: was out g R was out right, So I thought
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 4: it was yeah, because it's it's late this year, like
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 4: we already had g R in the game found.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 3: So that's because they're designing it still. But anyway, let's
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 3: let's keep going of this. You got okay, I'm going
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 3: to amber Sky's. I think that's where they are. I
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 3: don't think that they're prepared for anything else.
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 5: And amber Sky is a really fun sealed set, so
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 5: I'm excited.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 3: Go back to that statement, I don't know if I agree.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 3: I like it, but I don't know if I would
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 3: say really fun.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 4: The problem that I've had worse I've had worse sealed experiences.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 3: Sure, I've had worse sealed experiences too, But the problem
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 3: that I find with amber Skies is that because the
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 3: creature Control specifically targeted creature control removal is missing. That
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 3: it does come down to who can build a board
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 3: to be able to win, and and that that hurts
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 3: at times. I think the top end, because you're going
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 3: to be opening three and then you can alliance or
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 3: put things together. I think that it gets a little
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 3: bit more fun and you're going to see some decks
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 3: that have some.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 4: More But that's not what we're talking about right now.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 4: What we're talking about right now is what set will
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 4: be there? Pete our Metal Zoe, what set will be at?
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 5: What do you think Rochester? Rochester will be amber Sky's
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 5: He says.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: Scratching, There was head scratching. Yeah, it's it's gonna be
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: prophetic visions. They got a couple hot off the printer.
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: They're gonna peel them off, They're gonna distribute them. People
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: are gonna cry because they didn't get their game found first,
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: and that's ridiculous. I have a game found. Why would
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: I care if somebody else got limited access to three decks?
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: Who cares? So maybe that's optimistic, but I think if
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: they can manage it somehow, they have to because it's
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: gonna suck for the other vaults to get the first
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: crack at it. And Rochester get stuck with the Amber
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: Sky's in might Opine.
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 3: Welcome being Pete.
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 4: Why aren't we better friends?
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 4: I agree, prophetic visions. No way, it's gonna be prophetic visions.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 4: They are gonna make the worst decision they've ever made
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 4: in their life and piss off a whole bunch more
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 4: people because they can't get their ship together.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 3: Does that mean prophetic visions takes this whole argon? It's
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 3: it's opened on the sealed and then throwing.
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 5: That's what they know people won't. I think they plan
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 5: to bring prothetic visions, but then they arrive and go,
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 5: oh ship, we forgot to pack it, and then they
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 5: just got to go to the store and buy Sky's.
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 5: Therefore we have Ecott.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 4: No, it's gonna it's it's still on the palette. And
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 4: then the stile that they're at doesn't have enough ember
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 4: Sky is the actually do anything, so it's just whatever
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 4: whatever is available.
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, they have the palette, and I think they
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 5: they're like, Okay, well this time we'll just put Jeremy
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 5: on the palette. That way it gets there. But Jeremy's
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 5: it's some pipa right now, go good? Like palette right,
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 5: it's just alone and scared. It's the warehouse.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: I realized a flaw with this plan is that can
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: you imagine what a nightmare be for the judges to
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: have everyone's first crack and a new set be in
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: a tournament?
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, no, judge.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 4: What I mean that's no change from what happened last year?
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: Is that right?
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, the judges do have access ahead of time,
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 3: so I'm not worried about that, But.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 4: There's always interactions that nobody plans for.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 3: So well sure, because what we see is such a
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 3: small card pool and then all of a sudden, boom,
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 3: you throw it all together and you're like, oh, how
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 3: does that one happen?
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: And I don't doubt the judge's ability to troubleshoot these things.
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying the number of problems and hands in
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: the air would have to go way up if it's
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: a brand new set, right, it'd just be annoying for them.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I mean, GG don't care. It's not their problem.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: Literally is their problem schedule that the event gets whatever?
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Nah.
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 4: All right, that's all we got for this week's episode.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 4: Thank you everybody for hanging around in the chat watch
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 4: the stream over on Gig's streaming channel. I'll try to
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 4: pop you popping in every every so often. I'll be
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 4: working this weekend, so I won't be able to see.
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 4: I'll be able to see probably little bits, little little
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 4: tidbits of it is an hour ahead of time. And
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 4: then we'll see if any drama comes from this year's Rochester.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 4: Rochester is one for one in the drama community. That
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 4: happened last year, I'm hoping for more of this year.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 4: Goodness well, I mean some of the most memorable, some
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 4: of the most memorable sleeves we have have come from
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 4: that event.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 3: So Drazz middle Zoa, do you guys have amazing sleeves
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 3: for this ball tour? Some personalized sleeves.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 5: I do not have amazing I don't know if that
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 5: so if you have anything exciting, now.
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna buy someone.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 5: He's gonna buy something at the store when he gets there.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 4: Man, what a good what a good fair even player
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 4: metals though it is Man.
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 5: I happen to know that uh man g has some
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 5: very exciting sleeves that he is very excited about.
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 4: Did do you care to spoil or.
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 3: Uh?
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 5: I mean yeah, I guess it's basically so he got
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 5: the art, right, he did the big pudge, So he
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 5: basically took his own art of himself and like made
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 5: some exciting collage decks or sleeves with his own art.
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: So it's yeah, and uh does J J.
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 5: Stagan know about that? Though? I don't think they do,
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 5: all right, so I think what he might do, so
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 5: JJ is gonna be there. I don't think stras. So
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 5: JJ also got his own art, so at this point,
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 5: if he does it, he'll already know. So this this
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 5: is not a spoiler in advance.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 4: But he took.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 5: JJ's art, and then he took his art and he
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 5: added himself all over JJ's art, like in front of him,
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 5: blocking him, like so you can start. I can't see
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 5: it very well. So it's basically JJ's art with him
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 5: all over it, like, which is I think pretty hilarious.
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 5: Uh so, oh that was a lightning Here you go,
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 5: look at that. Uh So, I thought it was a
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 5: pretty pretty hilarious idea. There you go, fair enough.
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 4: I definitely am planning on coming with some thirst trap
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 4: sleeves to rose.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, all right, that's just yourself without a shirt on.
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 4: No, okay, but we'll see if I get We'll see
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 4: if I get kicked out or not? All right, all right,
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 4: fingers fingers crying, we're hoping. Oh that's a good one.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 4: This one's even better than the first one.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we're gonna We're definitely gonna have some transport experience
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 5: going on, so I will let everybody know about that.
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 4: You will have to report back.
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 3: And this is why some things will get pushed back,
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 3: because we will have an update after the vaults and
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 3: it will be good. But we'll have some weeks. We'll
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 3: get into some amazing things, so have fun. Be safe.
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, But with that being said, we will see you
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 4: all next week.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 3: May the Forge be with you.
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