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UK Column News — 8th December 2025 · UK Column Radio

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  Speaker 1: Good afternoon. Today is Monday, the eighth of December twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty five, just after one o'clock. Welcome to UK Column News.
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  Speaker 1: I'm your host, Brian Gerrish. Delight to have Ben Rubin
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  Speaker 1: with me in the studio.
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  Speaker 2: Delighted to be here, Brian.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, and we're also very pleased to have Sandy
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  Speaker 1: Adams and Diane Rasmusen joining us by video link.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just going to say it's a cold, wet, somewhat
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  Speaker 1: dismal day here in Plymouth. The news is always in
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  Speaker 1: UK is fairly heavy, but we're going to stay with
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  Speaker 1: a sense of humor and after all, it's supposed to
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  Speaker 1: be that wonderful season leading to Christmas and we're going
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  Speaker 1: to try and keep us sparkle in our eyes as
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  Speaker 1: we discuss some of the horrors going on in UK. Today.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to be having a look really at the
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  Speaker 1: for Nethie verdict for old abuse affecting thousands of young
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  Speaker 1: girls up in Scotland. But it also interfaces with what
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  Speaker 1: the government says it's trying to do with child protection
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  Speaker 1: at the moment, so there's some interesting nuances there. Ben's
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  Speaker 1: going to be having a look at COVID crimes and
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  Speaker 1: Operation Talor. Essentially, this is around crimes that did take
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  Speaker 1: place during COVID and the lockdown. But now what's coming
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  Speaker 1: to light is UK police controlled to make sure that
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  Speaker 1: they tow the government line rather than investigate crime. Sandy
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  Speaker 1: Adams is also going to be following through with a
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  Speaker 1: look at the police. And this will come in from
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  Speaker 1: the angle of devolution and the increasing power of mayors.
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  Speaker 1: And it's also coupled courts with the arrangement of local authorities,
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  Speaker 1: where we're seeing the smaller local authorities being drawn into
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  Speaker 1: these super councils and super cities. I'm going to be
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  Speaker 1: taking a little look at chat GPT. I asked a
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  Speaker 1: question about the transagender and was really surprised about what
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  Speaker 1: Ai had to tell me. And we'll be ending the
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  Speaker 1: news today with a look by Diane at the LGBT
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  Speaker 1: agenda and Ben you've got some comment to make on
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  Speaker 1: left wing policies. So I think this is going to
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  Speaker 1: be pretty interesting news. Thank you to everybody for joining
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  Speaker 1: us wherever you are in the world. Now, this was
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  Speaker 1: the newspaper article that caught my eye earlier this morning.
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  Speaker 1: It's the Daily Telegraph, the headline is the important thing.
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  Speaker 1: Don't take any notice of the man celebrating his Formula
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  Speaker 1: one win. I think that was But the headline we're
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  Speaker 1: interested in his right wingers branded a danger to children.
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  Speaker 1: So once again we can see child protection powers and
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  Speaker 1: organizations coming into the frame to be used to control
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  Speaker 1: what people think. And of course the inference is that
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  Speaker 1: if you think right wing, you're in trouble. Now on screen,
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  Speaker 1: we've got the BBC headline from twenty twelve. The BBC,
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  Speaker 1: one of a number of organizations, including of course the
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  Speaker 1: UK column pointed out the disgrace or situation where a
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  Speaker 1: UKIP couple, a couple that supported UKIP had their foster
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  Speaker 1: children taken away directly because of their political views. So
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  Speaker 1: this is the reality of UK So called child protection
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  Speaker 1: systems and organizations are actually being used not to protect
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  Speaker 1: the children but to clamp down on political political beliefs
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  Speaker 1: and political support, which is immensely dangerous. And remember of
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  Speaker 1: course that has jury top jury trials are smashed pieces
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  Speaker 1: under the Levison report and Lammy latest initiatives, Well that's happening.
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  Speaker 1: We've got the precedent of star Chambers family courts with
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  Speaker 1: just a single judge. So Diane, I'm going to use
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  Speaker 1: that as an introduction dual segment here on for Nethi.
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  Speaker 1: The verdict came out a few days ago. The women
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  Speaker 1: really really distressed at what the final result was.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, thanks Brian and hello everyone, it's great to be
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  Speaker 3: here today. Yes, I wanted to report on the Prinathi
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  Speaker 3: residential school case, which UK column has been covering for
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  Speaker 3: a number of years now. I attended court both on
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  Speaker 3: one day of the witness testimonies back in October and
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  Speaker 3: I attended last week for the sentencing hearing. Just for
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  Speaker 3: those of you who may not be familiar with the case,
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  Speaker 3: this has been a residential school which was an operation
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  Speaker 3: under Glasgow Corporation and then Strathclyde Regional Council for the
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  Speaker 3: years between nineteen sixty and eighteen ninety one, and the
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  Speaker 3: women were abused in always past when they were primary
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  Speaker 3: school age. They were from Glasgow and taken up into
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  Speaker 3: a very remote area of Scotland, away from their families
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  Speaker 3: and held under the control and the under the state,
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  Speaker 3: so they were not in the custody or of their
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  Speaker 3: parents at the time, which means that there is a
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  Speaker 3: responsibility through Glasgow Corporation for everything that happened there and
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  Speaker 3: now Glasgow City Council. This teacher, Patricia Robertson or Baxter,
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  Speaker 3: was convicted of eighteen counts of what they call cruel
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  Speaker 3: and unnatural treatment at the High Court Glasgow back in October,
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  Speaker 3: and she received her sentencing back in Wednesday last week
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  Speaker 3: when I was there, and I will to say that
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  Speaker 3: the initial response was shocking. That's the word I can use.
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  Speaker 3: That's more accurate than anything else. And this is because
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  Speaker 3: she only received despite using several girls convicted of eighteen
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  Speaker 3: different girls in this trial and obviously many more over
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  Speaker 3: fourteen years between ending around nineteen eighty four, earning at
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  Speaker 3: nineteen sixty nine, she had eighteen charges of what they
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  Speaker 3: called cruel and natural treatment of these youngsters when they
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  Speaker 3: were primary school age. So I've spoken with three women
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  Speaker 3: are immediately following receiving the sentencing hearing. So I just
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  Speaker 3: want to go through three videos so we can just
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  Speaker 3: hear and see what they went through and how they
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  Speaker 3: experienced it. So first we'd like to speak with Sharon Cruden,
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  Speaker 3: who was one of the interviews that Brian has done
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  Speaker 3: previously with their nethew survivors.
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  Speaker 4: I'm disgusted a day remorse and she denied everything. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: no eavenly apologize saying is a THREDI of predation.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, what is that?
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  Speaker 4: That's notting now compared to what she's done. They always
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  Speaker 4: running and there's there.
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  Speaker 3: What do you think about how the judge approached it,
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  Speaker 3: because he seemed to admit and say that her crimes
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  Speaker 3: were terrible, and then he gave her from probation. I
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  Speaker 3: was expecting him to say, we're Sinney to prison.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought that its railway as you saw it
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  Speaker 4: was going to go and her favorite lights. I think, actually,
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  Speaker 4: sorry Saints, but obviously not so. I just don't understand that.
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  Speaker 4: I don't I mean just because he read. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: she's she's able to, has loved her life up to
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  Speaker 4: now quite normally, whereas or.
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  Speaker 1: The victims have had some sort of.
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  Speaker 4: Impact on her life due to hard abuse.
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  Speaker 5: So it's just not fair.
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  Speaker 6: It's not fair.
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  Speaker 3: So, as we've heard from this, this was really actually
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  Speaker 3: very disgusting. I should clarify that the since was technically
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  Speaker 3: three years probation, which means that she can't go out
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  Speaker 3: between I believe the hours of three pm and midnight.
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  Speaker 3: She has to stay at home. She can't teach children anymore,
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  Speaker 3: which is kind of ridiculous since she's seventy seven years
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  Speaker 3: old and has been retired for several years. She also
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  Speaker 3: has to pay compensation to the eighteen victims, which is
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  Speaker 3: eighteen thousand pounds within the next couple of months. And
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  Speaker 3: the women that I spoke to who received those who
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  Speaker 3: would receive those thousand pounds said they don't even want
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  Speaker 3: that because to them that was just an absolute insult.
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  Speaker 3: When we talked in the interview with Sharon, we talked
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  Speaker 3: about what Gord Colbeck said where he was sort of
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  Speaker 3: leading up to saying, well, this was absolutely terrible what
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  Speaker 3: she did to the women. Speaking directly to Patricia Robertson,
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  Speaker 3: the girls were badly treated. This was over several years.
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  Speaker 3: This was very long term abuse, and so we were
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  Speaker 3: all expecting as we led into it that there was
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  Speaker 3: going to be some element of, well, maybe she will
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  Speaker 3: get said to prison, but she didn't get it. They
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  Speaker 3: were saying that it was because it was like her
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  Speaker 3: first conviction and therefore they would go a little bit
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  Speaker 3: more lightly based on what they could do within the
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  Speaker 3: scope of what was available to them. According to Judge
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  Speaker 3: Lord Kulbeck. So let's hear from another lady. This next
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  Speaker 3: one is Carol White. I think it's completely wrong.
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  Speaker 7: I think she should have been sent to prison. But
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  Speaker 7: then Day Residential School was a prison to those young
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  Speaker 7: girls that win. It's not give any survivors any hope.
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  Speaker 7: Spider should have had hope today. We should have walked
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  Speaker 7: out known that she got a conviction. We should be
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  Speaker 7: going to prison right now, and she's walking three She
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  Speaker 7: should be sharing the same oxygen as us.
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  Speaker 3: Three years probation and one thousand pounds for each charge.
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  Speaker 3: That's eighteen thousand pounds.
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  Speaker 5: Three years for years of abuse.
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  Speaker 6: Abuse.
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  Speaker 3: That was.
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  Speaker 7: That was terrible, that the abuse that resuffered.
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  Speaker 6: Of course it was.
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  Speaker 5: She should not be getting away with her.
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  Speaker 7: She should be doing time for that, and she should
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  Speaker 7: spend the rest of her life in prison.
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  Speaker 3: I really popped away. The judge was speaking that he
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  Speaker 3: was about to put her in prison, because he talked
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  Speaker 3: about how horrible it was, and then he gave her probation.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, the judge spoke about the impact it had on
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  Speaker 7: the people that were abused by her and what she'd
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  Speaker 7: done to them, and she showed no remorse, no, no
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  Speaker 7: remote on the social work reports at all now.
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  Speaker 5: And yet she's still walking through. She should not be
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  Speaker 5: walking free.
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  Speaker 7: Is it not in some way that we can feel
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  Speaker 7: against this or something?
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  Speaker 3: So following what Carol just said in her interview with me,
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  Speaker 3: what happened was and we found out in the Sensing hearing,
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  Speaker 3: and she said this throughout that Pritess Robertson herself did
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  Speaker 3: not believe that she did anything wrong. And she actually
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  Speaker 3: blamed the women, saying that they were trying to gain
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  Speaker 3: financially from taking her all the way up into this trial,
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  Speaker 3: which of course was something that made them understandably even
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  Speaker 3: more angry than they already were. The third clip that
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  Speaker 3: I have here is from Lynn.
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  Speaker 6: Shearan, that's an absolute disgrace, greated some great loves, sister
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  Speaker 6: and the reason and told to pay eating victims both
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  Speaker 6: a thousand pounds.
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  Speaker 8: As cross I've been used, beating up full speck sex.
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  Speaker 9: Who's your name? We went through her hands and she
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  Speaker 9: walks away. She gets to see her Christmas with a family.
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  Speaker 9: She set himself that we sap and bond the last few.
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  Speaker 8: Years with me though at hands and that one was
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  Speaker 8: an absolute joke, And I don't said just a few fellowmost.
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  Speaker 3: I am too, I understand. It was amazing to me.
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  Speaker 3: It's out of the way he was talking. The judge
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  Speaker 3: was about to put her into prison, that she was
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  Speaker 3: going to get after stools because he talked about how
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  Speaker 3: terrible the crimes were and how awful she was and
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  Speaker 3: how she showed no remorse, and then he put her
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  Speaker 3: into probation. Just absolute shocking.
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  Speaker 5: I even excited Fanny.
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  Speaker 6: My thoughts on in mid n Yeah, and.
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  Speaker 5: This is horrible.
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  Speaker 3: Now, in addition to this sentence of probation, something to
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  Speaker 3: point out is that she was not found guilty of
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  Speaker 3: any of the most serious charges that were brought against her.
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  Speaker 3: There were twenty five charges brought against her. She has
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  Speaker 3: found guilty of eighteen. The others were not proven, and
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  Speaker 3: these were these sexual abuse charges, so of course those
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  Speaker 3: would have been the most serious, but those were not proven.
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  Speaker 3: At the time when she first received the conviction of
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  Speaker 3: these eighteen counts of being guilty, the women were actually
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  Speaker 3: very happy because they felt as tho they were receiving
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  Speaker 3: justice and that finally they had been heard and something
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  Speaker 3: would happen. But now, of course, with the just the
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  Speaker 3: probation for abusing girls for fourteen or fifteen years over
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  Speaker 3: this amount of time and the severity of the abuse.
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  Speaker 3: They're now, obviously, as we've just seen in those clips,
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  Speaker 3: very angry. But we will come back to Lynn Sheeran
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  Speaker 3: at the end of this report. What I want to
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  Speaker 3: talk about now is the mainstream media of responses to
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  Speaker 3: covering this. So I was sitting in the press area
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  Speaker 3: in the courtroom with all of the mainstream arters, and
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  Speaker 3: all of them were there. Here's one from the BBC
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  Speaker 3: saying retired teacher sentence for abusing girls at residential school.
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  Speaker 3: And what we're seeing here is that we're seeing a
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  Speaker 3: lot of emphasis on just this one teacher. The reason
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  Speaker 3: for that is because she was the one brought to child,
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  Speaker 3: but she's also the only one that they believe is
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  Speaker 3: still alive of the former staff that were responsible. Head teacher,
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  Speaker 3: she's been dead now for a couple of years, who
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  Speaker 3: was the last one in control of Fornati Residential School,
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  Speaker 3: And they can't find any of the other teachers or staff,
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  Speaker 3: and they believe that they've all passed away. So this
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  Speaker 3: lady at seventy seven is the last one that they
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  Speaker 3: could find. Gone for some more mainstream headlines, a STV
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  Speaker 3: News was there former teacher guilty of historical abuse of
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  Speaker 3: girls at for Netti House, a voids jail. This has
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  Speaker 3: irritated me constantly as the main researcher has been doing
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  Speaker 3: a lot of the work on what was going on
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  Speaker 3: and finding out the background of the institution. It was
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  Speaker 3: called for Neeti Residential School when they were there, not
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  Speaker 3: for Netti House. That was the name of the building
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  Speaker 3: as originally built back in around nineteen eighteen. So the
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  Speaker 3: issue here was that we actually could not use this
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  Speaker 3: over and over again ourselves for UK column, but we
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  Speaker 3: see for Nephew House over and over again, which was
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  Speaker 3: not correct because that sort of takes away from the
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  Speaker 3: fact that this was in fact a residential school where
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  Speaker 3: they were placed into a residential institution and that was
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  Speaker 3: meant to be their school, even though they didn't receive
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  Speaker 3: any schooling according to the women who remember what happened
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  Speaker 3: when they were there. Here's the next one from all
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  Speaker 3: of the sort of the Live Yorkshire Live, Glasgow Live.
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  Speaker 3: We see the symbler headline from this is sort of
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  Speaker 3: a nationwide outlet retired from the teacher Dodges jail for
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  Speaker 3: sadistic abuse of young girl schoolgirls so again, what this
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  Speaker 3: is doing is it's cover and up the systemic abuse
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  Speaker 3: that happened in this place over thirty one years, including
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  Speaker 3: at the establishment level. Some of the previous reporting that
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  Speaker 3: has happened for A three UK column in the past
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  Speaker 3: few years has been that there's been suggestions and we
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  Speaker 3: don't have entire evidence of this, but there seems to
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  Speaker 3: be memories of sex parties through the establishment, potentially Nicholas Fairbarron,
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  Speaker 3: which is on the UK column website, although you know,
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  Speaker 3: potentially Jimmy Saville, who of course did own a house
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  Speaker 3: in Scotland, and others. But of course we have no
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  Speaker 3: evidence of this. But the women certainly do you remember
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  Speaker 3: being drugged and taken into these parties and smelling alcohol
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  Speaker 3: and remembering sexual activity from these pedophiles that may have
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  Speaker 3: been there, according to the memories that they have. Here's
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  Speaker 3: another one Daily Records similar thing. Evil teacher who tortured
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  Speaker 3: little girls at for Netti's school Spirit jail. Once again,
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  Speaker 3: we can't we're calling this evil. We can't do anything
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  Speaker 3: about the other teachers. We don't have any covers of
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  Speaker 3: their teachers. We're just seeing this word evil. So no
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  Speaker 3: one nearly knows what's going on there beyond this one woman.
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  Speaker 3: So we're placing the blame on one woman. Daily Record
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  Speaker 3: says women battered and force fed by evil teachers. There's
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  Speaker 3: that word evil again. Slam's decision not to send her
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  Speaker 3: to jail. This is a talking to Sharon Cruden in
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  Speaker 3: this article, who we just saw in the interview that
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  Speaker 3: I did with her. See again, decision not to jail
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  Speaker 3: evil for NEPI House of virtute. Who else or a
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  Speaker 3: teacher to be probed by crown. So now the Crown
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  Speaker 3: is saying they're going to do an investigation into why
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  Speaker 3: or whether or not she can be jailed to sort
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  Speaker 3: of appealing the decision because of the extent of the
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  Speaker 3: abuse according to all of the evidence and according to
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  Speaker 3: the number of the charges that were put out there
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  Speaker 3: and made available. I would Brian, do you have any
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  Speaker 3: questions for me at this point about what I saw
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  Speaker 3: at the day in the two different days I was
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  Speaker 3: in courts, or about the sentencing hearing at this point
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  Speaker 3: that she would like to know about Joan.
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  Speaker 1: I don't have direct questions, but I would like to
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  Speaker 1: make a comment. As I've watched this tragic story unfold,
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  Speaker 1: it seems to me obvious that delay, delay, and more
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  Speaker 1: delay has been the technique used by the establishment to
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  Speaker 1: draw the thing out. This to me seems to be deliberate.
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  Speaker 1: It seems that the investigation, if there has been a
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  Speaker 1: full investigation by Police Scotland, has in fact been very limited,
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  Speaker 1: and as you've just mentioned, they didn't get their noses
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  Speaker 1: into these reports of much serious sexual abuse of little
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  Speaker 1: girls who were at the Vanethee school, and ultimately we've
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  Speaker 1: come out with this very lenient sentence and we've had
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  Speaker 1: very little mainstream reporting. Now I can't say that this
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  Speaker 1: is a cover up because we just don't have the
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  Speaker 1: evidence to put that on the table, But is it
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  Speaker 1: something that comes into my mind deliberate delay, a really
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  Speaker 1: weak investigation by Police Scotland, and then you pin everything
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  Speaker 1: onto one very elderly member of staff who becomes the
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  Speaker 1: sole focus of being a bit cruel to the girls.
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  Speaker 1: This to me seems a cynical cover up by the establishment.
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  Speaker 1: But that's just my personal opinion.
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  Speaker 3: No, absolutely, Brian, I would agree with you there, considering
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  Speaker 3: what I have found in UK column. As an organization
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  Speaker 3: has found in our last few years of research and
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  Speaker 3: reporting and working directly with the women We know that
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  Speaker 3: there is much more to this story than one elderly
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  Speaker 3: woman who you know, was not nice according to the
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  Speaker 3: charges of the force feeding and the you know, sort
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  Speaker 3: of the forced behaviors. We're not saying that that was
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  Speaker 3: good at all, and of course women have horrible memories
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  Speaker 3: and lots of trauma from this, but we know that
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  Speaker 3: it was much bigger than this, over thirty over thirty years.
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  Speaker 3: I would encourage people to look at our reporting. We
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  Speaker 3: have an entire portion on our website dedicated to all
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  Speaker 3: of the interviews and articles and news reports that we've
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  Speaker 3: done for Finepy Residential School over the past few years.
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  Speaker 3: So that link will be in the show notes to
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  Speaker 3: be able to see all of these reports in one place.
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  Speaker 3: And just to say that we have developed a good
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  Speaker 3: relationship both working on a would say a friendship with
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  Speaker 3: these leaders of these this group over the years. This
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  Speaker 3: was me the night before the sentence scene hearing. This
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  Speaker 3: was last Tuesday evening in Glasgow. I had dinner with
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  Speaker 3: Lynn Scheren and Sharon Pruden, who we just heard from,
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: who have been two of the amazing, strong, brave leaders
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: through this group over the past few years, and I've
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: got to know them as friends as well as as survivors,
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: and so we had at least we had a nice
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: meal the evening before. And I just want to end
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: the segment with the second half of Lynn Shearon's interview
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: and what she had to say about UK Column and
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: the work we've been doing with them.
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: This is thanknitely begin us. So if I stold them so.
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: Woman, Yeah, there's a lot of women here. The court
• 19:48
  Speaker 6: was packed and emotion so.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: Decided what we're.
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: Going to do next, and I'll be here with you.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: UK Column will always be with.
• 20:00
  Speaker 10: You only support from mine, everybody and you from meeting
• 20:06
  Speaker 10: us gunman, and that's thank you.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: And you've been there for us everything and we will
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: remain here as long as you need us. Thank you,
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: We love you, Thank you. So very nice thing to
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: end on there. We've developed relations lationships with these women
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: over the years. It has not been easy for any
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: of us. But I just want to say, just with
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: anything else that we do through UK Column, we will
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: always be there as long as as I said, as
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: long as they need us, and we will never abandon
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: anyone who comes to us for help. Brian, and I'm
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: sure you agree with that.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: If we've got the capacity to do it. That's something
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: we have to say for our viewers. But yes, in principle,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: thank you for that. Diane. Well, I've suggested that something
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: was not right in the investigation of for NESI were
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: the police control to go at the pace they did
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: or do as lit as they did. Perhaps we can
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: look at another operation teller around COVID where Ben I
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: think you've got some real evidence on control of the police.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Well, absolutely yes, And you talk about the pace of investigation, Well,
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: it seems that the police have found a new way
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: of dealing with avoiding accountability, which is just to not
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: investigate at all and to refuse to accept evidence. And
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: this is referring to some actual police work that's been
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: done over the past couple of years now by this
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: gentleman who is a retired police officer, Mark Sexton. People
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: will probably be familiar with Mark actually, if you're a
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: viewer of the UK column, if you're interested in what's
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: happening around COVID issues in the UK. In June twenty
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: twenty one, he notoriously reported and the deems of Harwey,
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: who was then running the vaccine program, for misconducting public
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: office and then six months later January twenty twenty two,
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: he reported a criminal case to Hammersmith Police, provided four
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: hundred victim, witness and expert and whistleblower statements relating to
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: vaccine harms caused by the vaccine program. He alleged gross
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: and negligent manslaughter and serious misconduct in public office against
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: a number of political figures. That was accepted and it
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: was assigned a crime reference number, importantly, which we had
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: up there on the screen a moment ago, and there
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: was quite a lot of buzz at the time about
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: the fact that this had gone into the system. People
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: will probably remember that now Mark and a team have
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: continued this work. It is exceptional work and we're going
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: to get into some of what they've been doing. It's
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: via this organization. It's called Ethical Approach. Provide a link
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: you can go and have a look at their website.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: And just a couple of weeks ago, eighteenth of November,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: they issued this letter public statement relating to what they
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: call serious constitutional failings undermining the rule of law with
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: bearing on national security and matters of overwhelming public interest.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: There are five components to this. The first one relates
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: to the Hammersmith Crime Report and the crime number and
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: the evidence proving that that was never fully investigated in
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: accordance with statutory duties. Case in point being that not
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: one of the victims, witnesses or whistleblowers was contacted at
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: of four hundred that are in the case file. The
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: second point being that the closure of that investigation was
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: itself unlawful and that amounts to perverting the course of justice,
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: misconducting public office, assisting offenders, and a bunch of other offenses.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: The third point, as we'll come onto in more detail
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: in a moment, is this issue of something called Operation
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Talent and the Spears Directive and the fact that a
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: national command structure had been implemented and was being used
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: to control police activity across the whold of the UK.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: And they have overwhelming evidence as I see it, to
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: back this up. And this explains a lot about what
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: we were seeing happening and the inaction of police on
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: the ground, and it completely overlaps with Charles's experience as well,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Charles Mallett, and he's written about this and I think
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: he's going to talk about this later in the week
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: and potentially over the coming weeks as well. And this
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: all amounts to what they described as constitutional collapse. Essentially,
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think you used the phrase last week, Brian,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: that we have no law, and I think that this
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: is more evidence of that. Last week it was in
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: relation to the fact that government officials can commit crimes.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Well here we've got the police won't accept evidence of crimes.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: So there's the other side to that coin, I guess
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: in some ways, and what a sexton and ethical approach
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: of demanding is that the record is set straight and
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: in particular that this issue around police not accepting evidence
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: is addressed because the COVID inquiry has repeatedly confirmed that
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: criminal conduct falls outside of its reem there and that
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: criminal conduct needs to be reported to the police. And
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: when people have done that, the evidence has been refused, right,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: which is standing in the way of any kind of
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: constructive investigation happening. All of this was sent to this mob.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: So we've got the array of the top legal apparatus
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: of the country here. I won't read out all the names,
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: but you can see who we can see on screen here,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Mark Rowley from the met Lammy Richard Hermer, Attorney General
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: for England and Wales.
• 25:22
  Speaker 11: They received this.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: It was a scent recorded delivery, so that we know
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: that it arrived with them. And what do you think happened, Brian?
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Nothing as well.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: It was roundly let's get that back on screen ignored.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: They ignored it completely. So two weeks later Kevin a
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: bit of breathing space, have a look at this, come
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: back to us. No response. So Mark Sexton and team
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: have issued this second letter, which is the Evidence Supplemental
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Constitutional Correspondence issued on the eighteenth and November, and essentially
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: the summary of this is that the system now appears
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: designed not to protect the public from harm, but to
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: protect the system from the public, which sounds about right
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: to me. Actually, I think that that's pretty much sport. Yeah,
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: indicative of everything that we talk about on a weekly basis.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: And essentially what we're looking at here is the idea
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: that the police showed no independent professional curiosity in determining
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: whether serious criminal offenses are being committed in this period
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: of time. The only consistent tactic used was to shut
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: every report down and prevent crime numbers for being issued
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: to stop this stuff and getting into the system. This
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: was all being controlled centrally by the National Police Chiefs
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Council something called Gold Command, which is the top level
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: of gold, silver and bronze command structure that was put
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: in place around Operation Tala, and essentially this is not
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: independent policing. It is policing functioning as an extension of
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: the executive government establishment operating to shield itself. We've got
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: a short clip now, mock sext in introducing the body
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: of evidence.
• 27:04
  Speaker 12: It's all there. We said we'd make it available here
• 27:07
  Speaker 12: it is. There's nothing denying it. It's not conspiracy theory.
• 27:12
  Speaker 12: It's not for hatware in lunacy, it's not far right propaganda.
• 27:18
  Speaker 12: It's not made up. This is all factual. It's all evidenced.
• 27:22
  Speaker 12: It's their evidence, it's their replies, it's their fis, it's
• 27:25
  Speaker 12: their statements that they gave to the COVID inquiry. It's
• 27:28
  Speaker 12: all of our interaction. It's fully documented with emails and
• 27:31
  Speaker 12: with videos and newspaper links. It's undeniable. They committed serious crimes.
• 27:38
  Speaker 12: They prevented the people of the UK from seeking remedy
• 27:42
  Speaker 12: and redress as victims of crime. Thousands and thousands of
• 27:46
  Speaker 12: people have been let down. This is disgusting, it's unlawful, unconstitutional,
• 27:53
  Speaker 12: and they have committed very serious crimes in public office.
• 27:55
  Speaker 12: Across the board.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: We'll provide a link the full body of evidence. It
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: is overwhelming, right, and an incredible piece of work. And
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: I should just say if we're going to have a
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: police force in this country, and I think we probably should,
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: then it needs people like Mark Sexton in it because
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: this is an extremely comprehensive piece of investigation. There's loads
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: of evidence, loads of items. It's all very methodically put together.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: There are a couple that jumped out at me that
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: we're going to show you now. The first one is
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: this video clip talking showing police on the ground refusing
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: to accept evidence under a directive from someone called Alan Spears.
• 28:37
  Speaker 13: Both we're handing wanted to had in very serious.
• 28:40
  Speaker 11: Witness papers and relation to vaccinations. But more than that,
• 28:53
  Speaker 11: Alan Spears has issued instructions to the Police Service of
• 28:57
  Speaker 11: Scotland that we are not to take any requests of
• 28:59
  Speaker 11: us matter. We are not to deal with it. Okay,
• 29:01
  Speaker 11: that is the official who's assistants Chief Constable Alan.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Can you need to speak to Assistant Constable.
• 29:10
  Speaker 11: I've had my instructions from him.
• 29:14
  Speaker 14: A man, A man, A wait, a man at one
• 29:17
  Speaker 14: person speaking, Let's make an appointment to speak to the
• 29:20
  Speaker 14: person that's called the shots, so you're not allowed to
• 29:23
  Speaker 14: accept any witness statements for.
• 29:25
  Speaker 11: One oh one, and asked to speak to Assistant Chief
• 29:27
  Speaker 11: Constable Alan Spears.
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: When did it?
• 29:30
  Speaker 14: When did they make this?
• 29:31
  Speaker 11: January twenty twenty two. He gave that instruction to the
• 29:33
  Speaker 11: Holy Scotland. Okay when this first started.
• 29:35
  Speaker 14: This is witness statements which Alan Burrow asked me to get.
• 29:39
  Speaker 14: This is names and addresses.
• 29:41
  Speaker 11: You're going to have to wait until Sergeant bor Can I.
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: Say this is witness statements? This is important?
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: Are this is witness statements from the COVID nineteen inquiry.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: It's from the COVID nineteen inquiry.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: You know, it's just just astonishing and beautiful because the
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: evidence is there in our vices. Is what's going on.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: I think I am correct in saying that it's the
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: duty of each individual policeman to investigate crime, and therefore,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: by failing to investigate crime to police, I think I
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: could see in that video they are both now complicit
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: in the crime because they failed to take action on
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: their own account.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: They were only following orders. Brian, Yes, and they were
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: following orders from this guy. Let's get him on screen.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: So that's Assistant Chief Constable Alan Spears, and that on
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: the right is the Spears directive which was issued. This
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: is part of the evidence file. So this has come
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: from an FOI request and this relates to what he
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: describes as intimidation of staff and volunteers in the vaccine centers. Right,
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: So this is how they position it. And he says
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: that should any officer or member of staff be approached
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: or contacted by people requesting assistance in line with any
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: of the above this supposed intimidation, then these requests should
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: be rejected. While we continue to uphold individual's rights to
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: freedom of expression into process, this must be balanced with
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: the rights of others keeping the public safe, preventing crime
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: and disorder, and seeking to minimize disruption. And he says finally,
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: none of the type of behavior outlined above should be
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: considered as protest activity. So these aren't protests. This is
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: not legitimate protest obviously that would have to relate to
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: barelm or something like that, if you remember what was
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: going on at that period of time. Another piece of
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: evidence from the file was this, which I rather enjoyed.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: So this came from an initial inquiry from full Fact
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: who actually opened their question to the police saying I
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: am a journalist at full fact, and I'm getting in
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: touch as I'm looking into the false claims. So they've
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: already established that these are false claims. Apparently they need
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: that to be confirmed. I'm not sure that's journalism. And
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: then further up the email train, it's they're confirmed that
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: formally recording numbers of we have not been formally recording
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: numbers of attempts, and it would appear that the guidance
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: to not record has been a success. So we've managed
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: to squash this by not not investigating crimes properly. This
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: is damning, absolutely damning.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: The full factors now drawn in.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: The absolutely yes, I think we should probably get in
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: toupes with full facts and see what they think about this.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: I might do that after the news afternoon. This links,
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: by the way, just to wrap up here directly back
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: into by pure coincidence of the past two weeks of
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: reporting that I've been doing around this organization. Do you
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: remember the Forward Institute, this sort of common purpose type
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: entity that's appeared that's overseen by Sir Anthony Seltz, the
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: former exec chairman of Rothschild and Co. And the CEO
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: of this Forward Institute is this guy Adam Gridecki, who
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: is a World Economic Forum Global shapeer. They're under thirty
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: network and also as a governor of Arch Academy working
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: for Paul Marshall. And I spoke last week about Ian
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Cheshire his relationship with Charles the Third and also the
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: week before that I spoke about this chat Martin Hewitt
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: CBE who was the chair of the National Police Chiefs
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Council during twenty nineteen to twenty twenty two. I believe
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: it will when this whole thing was happening, and you
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: could see a photo of him here back in twenty
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: nineteen at the National Policing Board and this was with
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Bojo back in the Bojo days. The first meeting of
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: the new National Policing Board marks the start of a
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: new partnership between the police and the government.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: He was telling the truth. Yeah, they are working in
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: partnership and not working in order to ensure law is
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: operative and inforced.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: No separation of powers whatsoever. And just oh look, that
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: was just six months before the whole COVID thing kicked off.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, now, what a coincidence, eh. And that guy Hewett,
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: as I mentioned a couple of weeks ago, so he's
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: now running the UK border. So since October twenty four
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: he's now the Bord of Security Commander at the Home Office,
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: so goodness knows what he's up to over there, what
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: he's overseeing, and what he's doing and not doing. Importantly,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: and just as a final point, the Operation Taler structure
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: landed with me because I've been reading some stuff over
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: the past few days about Kabala systems theory and how
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: this is being used to drive the global transition, and
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: the structure gold, silver, bronze structure of opera Operation Tala,
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: led by Martin Hewitt, deployed in this instance, maps perfectly
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: to the cognitive, emotional, behavior and decision making action layers
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: of the Kabbala system theory modeling framework. And I wonder
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: if that's a coincidence too.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: I'm sure it's just a coincidence.
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: Ben.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Thank you for that really excellent and really concerning report.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: Now let's bring Sandy Adams in with the news today. Sandy, welcome,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: and you are taking this a stage further because whatever
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Ben has shown public about control of the police in
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: order to do the government's bidding, there's more of this
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: coming under devolution.
• 34:50
  Speaker 13: Yes, absolutely, and good afternoon to Brian, Ben and Diane
• 34:55
  Speaker 13: and indeed everyone.
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 34:57
  Speaker 13: I mean over the last few weeks something quite deserving
• 35:00
  Speaker 13: has been hackening across England and it hasn't really been
• 35:03
  Speaker 13: picked up much by.
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: The mainstream media.
• 35:06
  Speaker 13: And it's about the local council elections that have been
• 35:08
  Speaker 13: canceled and some of them have been canceled till twenty
• 35:12
  Speaker 13: twenty eight, which is it's unconstitutional, it's undemocratic, And ministers
• 35:17
  Speaker 13: have announced that the elections in Greater Essex, Norfolk, Suffolk, Hampshire,
• 35:23
  Speaker 13: the Solent in Sussex and Brighton will be held in
• 35:26
  Speaker 13: twenty twenty eight rather than twenty twenty six because they
• 35:28
  Speaker 13: were already put back from twenty twenty five to twenty
• 35:31
  Speaker 13: twenty six. So the government argued that areas need more
• 35:35
  Speaker 13: time to complete the local government reorganizations before the votes
• 35:39
  Speaker 13: can proceed.
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 35:40
  Speaker 13: This is because they are completely re engineering the whole
• 35:43
  Speaker 13: structure of governance in the UK, and what they're doing
• 35:48
  Speaker 13: is that they're trying to get ready for you know,
• 35:50
  Speaker 13: combined authorities and the devolved you know, the whole devolved,
• 35:58
  Speaker 13: combined and unitary authority, which then turn into mega regions,
• 36:03
  Speaker 13: which is what we're looking at. So basically the you know,
• 36:08
  Speaker 13: the UK devolution to climate aligned local authorities is what
• 36:13
  Speaker 13: we're looking at and how this is being done through
• 36:16
  Speaker 13: the Covenant of Mayors for Climate Energy and they're reshaping
• 36:20
  Speaker 13: global governance. So I've got a slide here from the
• 36:24
  Speaker 13: Guardian and can we have the Guardians like, yeah, here
• 36:28
  Speaker 13: we go and it's really about well, Richard Tice is
• 36:33
  Speaker 13: there saying that it's canceling democracy and the Guardian and
• 36:37
  Speaker 13: obviously Richard Tice agree.
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: With that, so and it is.
• 36:40
  Speaker 13: I mean, we're finding that democracy is literally being tank
• 36:43
  Speaker 13: canceled and this is something that we're seeing a lot
• 36:47
  Speaker 13: now if I look, if you look at the there's
• 36:51
  Speaker 13: two major acts that galvanize this plan.
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: It's been a very long time term plan.
• 36:55
  Speaker 13: And the first one is the Cities and Communities Act
• 36:58
  Speaker 13: of twenty sixteen and that came in and I've put
• 37:03
  Speaker 13: all these in the show notes, so do look at
• 37:05
  Speaker 13: them because you can see clearly how the governance is
• 37:08
  Speaker 13: being structured and taken away from Whitehall and given to
• 37:12
  Speaker 13: these global or metro mayors as they call them. And
• 37:16
  Speaker 13: the next one is the English Devolution and Community Empowerment
• 37:19
  Speaker 13: Act of last year twenty twenty five. So yeah, they
• 37:24
  Speaker 13: devolve power from Whitehall to the regional mayors, with governance
• 37:28
  Speaker 13: over transport, housing planning, net zero infrastructure, energy systems, but
• 37:34
  Speaker 13: most interestingly police and crime, crime commissioning and fire regulations.
• 37:41
  Speaker 13: Now why does this matter? Well, it matters because under
• 37:45
  Speaker 13: you know, UK mayors gained strategic power over net zero
• 37:49
  Speaker 13: and infrastructure. The local governments aligned with global climate goals,
• 37:53
  Speaker 13: that's the UN and the EU, and power shifts are
• 37:56
  Speaker 13: happening without direct public consent at all. There's no written
• 38:01
  Speaker 13: constitution limits of these changes, and no other countries maintain
• 38:05
  Speaker 13: clear illegal boundaries. And you know, we're the only country
• 38:09
  Speaker 13: that seems to have this oversight, so other other.
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: Countries don't have this.
• 38:14
  Speaker 13: So I'm looking at at the moment that there's a
• 38:19
  Speaker 13: I've got a slide here from the Association of Police
• 38:22
  Speaker 13: and Crime Commissioners regarding the transfer of police powers from
• 38:25
  Speaker 13: Whitehall to the metro mayors, and it's clear that they
• 38:29
  Speaker 13: are literally handing over the whole of police and crime
• 38:33
  Speaker 13: commissioning from our normal government to these metro mayors. So
• 38:38
  Speaker 13: what we'll see is things like enforcement of clean air zones,
• 38:42
  Speaker 13: low traffic neighborhoods, through integrated transport police strategy, smart city policing,
• 38:48
  Speaker 13: link to regional digital and data sets. Now this is
• 38:51
  Speaker 13: where we see you know, behavioral compliance strategies, you know,
• 38:55
  Speaker 13: nudging and fines, more surveillance and and this is all
• 39:00
  Speaker 13: tied into a regional policy. So we've got crowd control
• 39:04
  Speaker 13: as well and protest management aligned with mayors climate or
• 39:07
  Speaker 13: development agenda. Now I've got this slide here which is
• 39:12
  Speaker 13: a map of the Shire mayors and the Metro mayors. Now,
• 39:16
  Speaker 13: I don't know if anybody even knew that they existed,
• 39:19
  Speaker 13: but what we need to know is the difference between them.
• 39:22
  Speaker 13: Because once the mayor gains these police and crime powers,
• 39:27
  Speaker 13: policing becomes part of the wider combined authority, the ecosystem,
• 39:31
  Speaker 13: which usually includes transport, strategic planning, all those things, and
• 39:36
  Speaker 13: it allows them special powers over everything.
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: So could we have that map back again? Sorry?
• 39:42
  Speaker 13: Yeah, So the green areas are the Metro mayors and
• 39:47
  Speaker 13: the purple ones are the Shires. Now there's a difference
• 39:51
  Speaker 13: here because the Metro mayors are the bigger, the bigger cities.
• 39:55
  Speaker 13: I think we're looking at places like Manchester, the rural
• 40:01
  Speaker 13: areas are lagging behind a bit.
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: They've still got authority power through their councils.
• 40:07
  Speaker 13: So what you've got really is this two tier system
• 40:10
  Speaker 13: which eventually the rural areas will be catching up. By
• 40:14
  Speaker 13: twenty thirty five, they want to absorb the rural areas
• 40:18
  Speaker 13: into the metro mayres system, so nobody gets away with anything,
• 40:22
  Speaker 13: but it's done very gradually. It's a whole Fabian gradualism thing,
• 40:26
  Speaker 13: and it's been going on for such a long time
• 40:27
  Speaker 13: now before twenty sixteen. So I just want to look
• 40:32
  Speaker 13: now at the Mayors for Climate and Energy. The Global
• 40:36
  Speaker 13: Covenant of Mayors for Climate and Energy, Now this is
• 40:40
  Speaker 13: where it's all coming from, and the Sea forty Cities,
• 40:43
  Speaker 13: but I'll get onto Sea forty Cities later. The Global
• 40:46
  Speaker 13: Covenant of Mayors for Climate Energy was formed in twenty
• 40:48
  Speaker 13: sixteen by merging the Compact of Mayors and the European
• 40:52
  Speaker 13: Union's Covenant of Mayors. It's a worldwide coalition of city
• 40:57
  Speaker 13: leaders committed to tackling climate change by pledging to reduce
• 41:00
  Speaker 13: greenhouse and gas emissions, and the initiative highlights the role
• 41:05
  Speaker 13: of cities in climate action. So really it was launched
• 41:10
  Speaker 13: in twenty fourteen by Banky Moon and Michael Bloomberg, the
• 41:14
  Speaker 13: former mayor of New York, and it unites city mayor
• 41:19
  Speaker 13: networks such as See forty Cities, which is the Climate
• 41:22
  Speaker 13: Leadership Group Italy, and the United Cities and the local
• 41:27
  Speaker 13: governments and the un habitat. Now over twelve five hundred
• 41:32
  Speaker 13: cities and local governments from one hundred and forty four
• 41:35
  Speaker 13: countries are involved in this, representing more than one billion people,
• 41:39
  Speaker 13: and they've committed to this compact's goals.
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: Now Italy is interesting.
• 41:44
  Speaker 13: It's the International Committee of Local and Environmental Initiatives and
• 41:47
  Speaker 13: it was created after the Earth Summit in nineteen ninety
• 41:50
  Speaker 13: two to bring Agenda twenty one, which is now Agenda
• 41:53
  Speaker 13: twenty thirty from global to local.
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: And it was brought.
• 41:57
  Speaker 13: Into every single town council in the UK just after
• 42:01
  Speaker 13: the Earth Summit in nineteen ninety two. And that is
• 42:03
  Speaker 13: why we've got all these climate policies. So it's all
• 42:05
  Speaker 13: been a long term plan. Now, so the Global Covenant
• 42:11
  Speaker 13: came out of the Sea forty Cities. Now, let's have
• 42:13
  Speaker 13: a look at the Sea forty Cities. They are the
• 42:17
  Speaker 13: Climate Leadership Group. It's a network of nearly one hundred
• 42:20
  Speaker 13: major cities committed to addressing climate change and advancing the
• 42:24
  Speaker 13: goals of the UN's Agenda twenty thirty Paris Agreement. So
• 42:28
  Speaker 13: it brings together mayors and city leaders to collaborate on
• 42:31
  Speaker 13: cutting urban emissions. Now, this is all heavily back by
• 42:36
  Speaker 13: you know, the Bloomberg philanthropists, the World Bank, they're all involved, Italy,
• 42:41
  Speaker 13: the World Economic Forum, the UN bodies and the Sea
• 42:45
  Speaker 13: forty cities pledges to implement policies align with global targets
• 42:50
  Speaker 13: climate targets. Now, this is the timeline that they have
• 42:54
  Speaker 13: for this devolution. By twenty twenty eight, England mostly operated
• 42:59
  Speaker 13: by ten to fifteen minute powerful metro mayors, and by
• 43:04
  Speaker 13: twenty thirty the rainy countries are folded into the city
• 43:08
  Speaker 13: region structure. So the yeah, first of all, you get
• 43:12
  Speaker 13: the metro mayors, and then the shire mayors as they
• 43:16
  Speaker 13: call them, will be suddenly folded into them over over
• 43:19
  Speaker 13: a period of time between twenty thirty and twenty thirty five,
• 43:23
  Speaker 13: and the traditional you know, the traditional district model becomes redundant,
• 43:29
  Speaker 13: so it's either you know, symbolic or it's phased out entirely.
• 43:33
  Speaker 13: And this will effectively end the Shire government system, so
• 43:38
  Speaker 13: everybody will be under these these mayors. Now, you know
• 43:42
  Speaker 13: this is really worrying because what it does really and
• 43:45
  Speaker 13: it will inevitably result not only in convergence of digital
• 43:48
  Speaker 13: mapping and all the things that we don't want and
• 43:50
  Speaker 13: control of the population. It will also double down on
• 43:54
  Speaker 13: ules finds, surveillance. We've got another site another side surveillance,
• 44:01
  Speaker 13: and the banning of autonomous forms of heating like wood
• 44:05
  Speaker 13: burning stoves, CO two, taxing, retrofitting and ultimately climate lockdowns.
• 44:13
  Speaker 13: So we've really got to look at this for what
• 44:16
  Speaker 13: it is. I mean, this is all being implemented. It's
• 44:20
  Speaker 13: not local empowerment. It's the mechanism that the UN uses
• 44:24
  Speaker 13: to implement Agenda twenty thirty and they at city region
• 44:28
  Speaker 13: level bypassing national parliaments, and it fulfills all these goals,
• 44:32
  Speaker 13: you know, the seventeen goals, particularly SGD eleven, sixteen, seventeen, thirteen, seven,
• 44:39
  Speaker 13: eight nine, so a lot of the goals. Now, why
• 44:42
  Speaker 13: does this matter Because the UK mayor has gained strategic
• 44:46
  Speaker 13: power over net zero infrastructure, local governments aligned with global
• 44:50
  Speaker 13: climate goals from the EU N and the EU and
• 44:54
  Speaker 13: power shifts that are happening without direct public consent. There's
• 44:57
  Speaker 13: no written constitution limits to these chains, and other countries
• 45:01
  Speaker 13: maintain clearer legal boundaries and oversight than we do, so
• 45:07
  Speaker 13: this is what we're seeing. We're seeing this overreach really
• 45:10
  Speaker 13: in policing police powers, because as soon as we let
• 45:13
  Speaker 13: go of Westminster and these police have, these mayors have
• 45:17
  Speaker 13: control over policing, we've lost democracy completely.
• 45:22
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• 45:29
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• 45:37
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• 45:41
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• 45:44
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• 45:48
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• 45:51
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• 45:56
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  Speaker 1: subjects of AI, something that I regard as very dangerous
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: but I'm also extremely skeptical about. Of course, it advertises
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: itself as an AI revolution, but I think we should
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: beware that AI revolution. And I just want to share
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: with you today very quickly, a little bit about my
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: relationship with chat GPT when I asked a question about
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: the trans agender, because it appeared that AI had great
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: difficulty coping with what was really a simple question, because
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: straight away chat gpt hit me with there's no evidence
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: of any transgender agenda created by a person group organization.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: The phrase is not a factual, scholarly term, and it
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: basically laid into me for daring to ask about an agenda. Now,
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: the word agenda in my head was a very simple one.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: I wanted to know what was happening and what the
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: agenda was. But this led to some pretty interesting discussion
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: by this so called intelligent system. So it began to
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: say what it regarded as true, transgender identity have existed
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: across cultures and throughout history, and then it got on
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: to the fact that apparently it's not true. What is
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: not true is that there is a central creator, or
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: a mastermind, or a coordinated agenda trying to impose transgender identities. Now,
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: I rapidly challenged chat GPT on this because it had
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: told me in an earlier communication that data on the
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: trans agenda really only went back to about two thousand
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: and two, and before that very little existed. So when
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: I challenged the AI system on how it could make
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: these claims when there was no previous data, it suddenly
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: started to get a bit wobbly, and it told me
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: to my I'm going to say to light, you're right,
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: my initial reaction was bias. Chat GPT here reacting and
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: finally coming out and say saying that its initial reaction
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: was biased because it is programmed to trigger on language
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: patterns and it doesn't know the intent of a person
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: actually asking questions. So you're really seeing weaknesses of this
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: beast system. And it says and you are correct it
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: what chat GPT did happened without knowing anything about my
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: individual views or my intended meaning in asking the question.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: So this is supposed to be an intelligent system. But
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: what can we discover? Well, first of all, it tried
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: to wriggle out by telling me I'd ask the wrong question,
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: and it then posted really what I should have said,
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: which is I should have used the word policy because
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: it regarded a gender as a gender as having just
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: two meet the meanings. If I can bring you down here,
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: neutral policy direction a gender or a conspiratorial agenda a plot.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: And this is where the programming of this piece is
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: showing weaknesses straight on. But this was the beauty. It
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: eventually admitted to me that it can show cultural and
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: institutional biases, and this has come about due to its
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: training data. Its reinforcement learning examples, the assumptions of my creators,
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: the AI creators safety rules, And here it starts talking
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: about bias towards avoiding conspiratorial interpretations, bias towards certain respectful
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: language norms, bias towards institutional consensus, bias towards risk averse
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: interpretations of controversial topics. So the idea that this AI
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: system is not biased, it is happy to tell me
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: itself that indeed, it is fully biased. And I'd just
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: run through these last slides very quickly. But it then
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: attempted to get the moral high ground by saying, let
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: me answer your question directly, factually and without spin. But
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: it had already put spin on the whole dialogue it
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: was having with me. And when I delved into who
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: had actually who had programmed chat GPT in order to
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: have the bias, it was very reluctant to tell me
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: it talked about privately run research lab. And I needed
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: to put a lot of pressure on this system in
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: order to get it to actually tell me who the
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: real people were behind it, and it finally listed the founders,
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: and with more pressure, it was happy to tell me
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: where the money came from, and with more pressure. It
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: again stressed that it could not claim that its programming
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: was free of buy and this is the two arguments here.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: You're right, I cannot know the private intentions beliefs were
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: in the thoughts of the people who built or trained me.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: Beg your pardon, let's just pop back here. And finally
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: it says, therefore, I cannot claim my programming is perfectly
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: free of bias. So that's the system telling you itself.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: Contrast that report. Sorry, let's just follow through again here
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: with this report by BBC Sports. Now, this was about
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: nastiness in social media causing problems for Manchester United, and
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: the manager Rubin and Moriam said he'd had so much
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: hate on social media he'd have to sort of take
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: refuge by not watching any of it at all. He
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: also says he doesn't watch the news, and I think
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: he's talking about the BBC news. But if we pot
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: that one back on screen. Buried in the BBC article
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: was a little comment here. It says the analysis in
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: BBC's investigation was conducted with data science company Signify. Now, Signify,
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: I don't think is a data science company, it's another
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: AI company, and I think it's reasonable to say, we
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: can assume it might be as biased as we've seen
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: with chat GPT. So here's what it has to. Signify
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: has to say about themselves. It's about issues, not individuals.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: But this one's for you, Ben. In particular, our mission
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: for Signify is to show how AI and big data
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: can build social empathy and inspire better products and policies.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: So this is using AI in order to skew people's
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: beliefs and opinions, to reframe them to follow the very
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: governmental biases that chat GPT has declared now fully as
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: declared to the public at large. A lot more to
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: talk about on that, and we'll deal with some more
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: in UK column Extra. Joan, let's just bring you in
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: here because I asked about the trends agenda, which is
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: definitely real. You've got a little bit to say on
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: LGBT matters.
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks brand I just thought this was an interesting
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: thing to look at. I thank you to the UK
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: column supporter who sent me this article from zero Heads
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: last week that provided links to this report, which is
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: through the Group Defending Education, which has been doing a
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: lot of work over in America. Although it's the same
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: agenda transagenda, all of the agendas are the same pretty
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: much between the two countries when it comes to pushing
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: things like critical RaSE theory, the trans ideology, and diversity
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: equity inclusion. So this organization produced this set of handouts
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: that is being distributed through the National Education Association, which
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: is the largest union in America for educators. And this
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: has a range of things including a pronouns list, which
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: we see here on the screen. It's only got three
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: sets of pronouns, which is actually a very small number
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: if you look at most trans ideology documents in sort
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: of showing school teachers what they should be familiar with,
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: what they should be able to be using one set
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: of pronouns. Could be she, they could be he, they
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: could be z zim, sir, and I think you know,
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: there's you know, dozens of genders. I think seventy two
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: or whatever number they come up with, they all have
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: different sets of pronouns. Is actually quite restrictive based on
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: some things. But when we look further into the handout,
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: which I took some more time to look at, the
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: entire set of training material, looked at a range of
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: things that the title of the report is called Advancing
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: LGBTQ plusice plus justice and transgender advocacy. So we're seeing
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: here they're pushing this trans ideology which chat GPT apparently
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: seems to struggle with. According to Brian's investigation, this was
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: fifty eight pages of looking at the trans ideology, the
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: so called justice, which, you know, considering what I've been
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: doing with the Finezi survivors and other abuse survivors, it
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: actually seems to be very concerning to me, so that
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: for those of us who have experienced abuse in our past,
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: regardless of who you are, what kind of abuse it is,
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: that seems to be, as we've seen with Patricia Robertson,
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: not necessarily as important as making sure that we're using
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: the right pronouns for people who somehow believe that they
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: are able to change from male to female or binary
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: or to male or whatever they think they want to
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: be doing. So some of the things also that was
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: included in addition to this pronoun guide was some information
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: from Cornell University. They have a Transgender Guide to Transitioning
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: and Gender Affirmation in the Workplace, telling people how to
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: transition at work, explaining a transgender inclusive health insurance plan,
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  Speaker 3: which is concerning in America because most people can even
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  Speaker 3: get basic things done gender friendly toilets, voice and communication
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  Speaker 3: modification programs so if you need to sound more non
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  Speaker 3: binary or more masculine or feminine. They talk about HR guidelines,
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  Speaker 3: so our favorite department, human Resources workplace transition plan and
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  Speaker 3: how HR representatives and supervisors can work with a number
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  Speaker 3: of staff to transition as they feel comfortable to do
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  Speaker 3: so within the workplace. Which is interesting considering that people
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  Speaker 3: like David Cartland and myself and many others have been
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  Speaker 3: canceled by the people related to HR departments and because
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  Speaker 3: we were not holding the right views essentially, which is
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  Speaker 3: what happened to me and many others who are experiencing
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  Speaker 3: this in academia and other places in the moment. They
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  Speaker 3: have a level of Expressions of Oppression which talks about
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  Speaker 3: different types of oppression and expressions of oppression exercise that
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  Speaker 3: staff have to do when they attend this training looking
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  Speaker 3: at different types of bias and what we need to
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  Speaker 3: do to achieve social justice through critical race theory, which
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  Speaker 3: is essentially the destruction of what exists currently in society.
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  Speaker 3: There is also a report from the Transgender Law Center
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  Speaker 3: that is written for transgender youth so to speak called
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  Speaker 3: building our choir with a race, class, gender narrative, which says,
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  Speaker 3: for example, along many other things, we should say our
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  Speaker 3: genders or genders be plural instead of just gender singular,
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  Speaker 3: because pluralizing genders enables greater agreement with our worldview and
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  Speaker 3: helps activate more expansive attitudes towards our genders plural again
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  Speaker 3: and transgender people. So I just want to highlight this
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  Speaker 3: because of what you were doing, Grind, but also just
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  Speaker 3: to show the sort of the hypocrisy that's going on
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  Speaker 3: in the world right now that we're supposed to make
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  Speaker 3: these people who believe they can somehow magically change their
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  Speaker 3: sex despite Supreme Court rulings and so on. But then
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  Speaker 3: we see true abuse survivors who have been through horrible
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  Speaker 3: crimes in their lives and they cannot get justice. But
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  Speaker 3: we're supposed to provide justice for the people who decide
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  Speaker 3: that they are able to do this and what to
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  Speaker 3: do this brain.
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  Speaker 1: Diane, absolutely, and we can be sure that the AI trainers,
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  Speaker 1: the people creating these AI systems are absolutely going to
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  Speaker 1: be introducing that bias into the systems in order to
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  Speaker 1: keep pushing this agenda. And as we've seen on the
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  Speaker 1: BBC Today from Australia bands on children using social media,
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  Speaker 1: and of course whilst there are some terrible things on
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  Speaker 1: social media which children shouldn't really be seeing, of course
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  Speaker 1: what we can now see coming through the pipeline is
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  Speaker 1: stop the children having a different source of learning to
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  Speaker 1: the mainstream agenda, and they will then become young adults
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  Speaker 1: with absolutely no concept that there's any other form of
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  Speaker 1: fact or truth but that which comes from government's AI
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  Speaker 1: systems and the BBC's We'll do more on this in
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  Speaker 1: extra but let's finish with a little bit of a rye.
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  Speaker 1: Look Ben at well, what is it? Is it the
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  Speaker 1: looney left or something different?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, well, we've talked a bit about Zach Polanski recently,
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  Speaker 2: the new leader of the Green Party, but he's not
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  Speaker 2: the only left wing firebrand on the block this ever,
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  Speaker 2: listened to Zara Sultana talking about nationalizing the entire economy.
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  Speaker 15: The status in this country is broken. We are the
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  Speaker 15: second most unequal country in the OECD, second to the US.
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  Speaker 15: We have rampant inequality. So things have to fundamentally change.
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  Speaker 15: And when I talk about nationalizing our economy, I'm talking
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  Speaker 15: about the commanding heights of our economy. I'm talking about
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  Speaker 15: the utilities energy, rail, buses, telecoms, mail, which are wildly
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  Speaker 15: popular with the public. But we also have to look
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  Speaker 15: at other forms of democratic ownership in our economy. That
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  Speaker 15: means workers cooperatives, that means community land trust, that means
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  Speaker 15: public banking, that means a national welfare or a wealth
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  Speaker 15: fund that workers and our communities control.
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  Speaker 8: So do you mean that you know a corner shop
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  Speaker 8: or a hairdresser is going to be run by a
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  Speaker 8: workers committee.
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  Speaker 15: Understand, if you look at polling, the British public actually
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  Speaker 15: support a system where workers make the decisions in their work.
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  Speaker 5: So when you go there, when you've.
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  Speaker 15: Got a coffee shop and you've got a small workplace,
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  Speaker 15: a democratic form of ownership of that is a workers
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  Speaker 15: cooperative where workers own the shares in that company, they
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  Speaker 15: have better terms and conditions, the profits are shared amongst
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  Speaker 15: the workers. And that is a form of democratic ownership
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  Speaker 15: that does very well across the world, including in the UK.
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  Speaker 6: And be something that businesses had to become. Would that
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  Speaker 6: be mandatory?
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  Speaker 15: Well, these are conversations that we should have about what
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  Speaker 15: forms of ownership we should have in our economy, and
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  Speaker 15: right now we don't have very many democratic forms of ownership.
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  Speaker 15: When we look across Latin America, you've got workers operative,
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  Speaker 15: so you've got community, land trust, You've got all of
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  Speaker 15: these different forms. We need to have conversations about how
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  Speaker 15: we can democratize our economy, but.
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  Speaker 5: Also that managery might be an option.
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  Speaker 15: It has to be something that we have a conversation about.
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  Speaker 15: Obviously the party does not have policies yet, but it's
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  Speaker 15: important that we articulate a different vision of society.
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  Speaker 1: Well, there you have it, democratize the economy. Mean, we'll
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  Speaker 1: talk about this an extra. Yes, she've got another one
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  Speaker 1: we do.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we'll talk about a lot more in extra.
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  Speaker 2: I think the main thing for me with these with
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  Speaker 2: her this issue generally is that she's half right and
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  Speaker 2: half wrong. What she's right about is that there are
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  Speaker 2: gross levels of inequality and there are things that need
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  Speaker 2: to be changed in the economic system. What she's wrong
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  Speaker 2: about is what we should actually do about it. Big
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  Speaker 2: question with Sultana and your party, which she's a co
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  Speaker 2: founder of, is can we possibly trust these people? I mean,
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  Speaker 2: she's done some extraordinarily disruptive and our control things over
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  Speaker 2: the past few months in terms as relates to the
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  Speaker 2: management of your party, her party, but also we then
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  Speaker 2: end up seeing things like this coming from your party
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  Speaker 2: conference over the past couple of weeks. Have a look
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  Speaker 2: at this.
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  Speaker 5: My name's Claire.
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  Speaker 16: I'm from Dartford, your party. I'm also a member of
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  Speaker 16: Socialist Alternative. I want to speak for the name our party,
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  Speaker 16: not because I think it's a particularly good name, but
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  Speaker 16: because I think this.
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  Speaker 5: Should be our party.
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  Speaker 16: And the reason why we're having this agenda, this debate
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  Speaker 16: now is on the agenda, and we've been given four options,
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  Speaker 16: none of which were particularly popular as far as I
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  Speaker 16: could see, is because there were amendments that were submitted
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  Speaker 16: by hundreds of members all around the country.
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  Speaker 5: We sho talk.
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  Speaker 16: About the issues which people on this conference floor wanted debated,
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  Speaker 16: amendments which have been silenced because they call into question
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  Speaker 16: an unelexed clique who have been brought in and who
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  Speaker 16: have been doing damage to this party. Earlier, we heard
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  Speaker 16: discussion about the potential damage that the red scare of
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  Speaker 16: left wing groups of the people who have been on
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  Speaker 16: the streets building right, So.
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  Speaker 2: Can you imagine that, So they're literally so she's dissenting,
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  Speaker 2: they pull the plug, cut the feed. She's gone she's gone.
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  Speaker 2: Can you imagine trying to run a business like that.
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  Speaker 1: We'll talk about this in UK Column Extra. We must
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  Speaker 1: end today's News. I think it's been a really important news.
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  Speaker 1: Something very very dark and controlling is installing itself in UK.
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  Speaker 1: We need to see it, we need to identify it,
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  Speaker 1: we need to call it out, we need to keep
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  Speaker 1: a sense of humor, and we need to ridicule these people,
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  Speaker 1: because ridicule is a powerful weapon. We're going to win
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  Speaker 1: please join us in a few moments for UK column Extra.
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  Speaker 1: Bye bye.