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- 0:10Speaker 1: Tera Gornstead was a thirty year old former beauty queen
- 0:13Speaker 1: and local high school teacher living in the small town
- 0:16Speaker 1: of Oscilla, Georgia. This is Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
- 0:22Speaker 1: When I first started digging around in this case, back
- 0:24Speaker 1: before I even released the first episode of the podcast,
- 0:27Speaker 1: Marie started getting weird messages on Facebook from a fake account.
- 0:32Speaker 1: The Nancy Grace Show aired a series of live interviews.
- 0:34Speaker 1: Nancy interviewed Terra's neighbor, Joe Portier. During the interview, Joe
- 0:39Speaker 1: revealed a very crucial piece of information dates, times, people's names.
- 0:43Speaker 1: I had to know it all. Mind you, I am
- 0:45Speaker 1: not a podcaster and I'm definitely not an investigator, But
- 0:49Speaker 1: I was determined to tell Tara story, and most of all,
- 0:53Speaker 1: I wanted to know what app the toure. She was
- 0:57Speaker 1: the All American beauty queen. She won the title of
- 1:01Speaker 1: Miss tiffton she competed in Georgia. She used her pageant
- 1:07Speaker 1: winnings to fund her education, getting her college degree, than
- 1:12Speaker 1: going on for a master's degree and then taking a
- 1:15Speaker 1: position teaching history at Erwin County High School and the
- 1:20Speaker 1: quiet and rural town of Oscilla, Georgia. Now you would
- 1:24Speaker 1: think that in Oscilla, which is very rural, and what
- 1:29Speaker 1: I mean by that is you're not close to a
- 1:31Speaker 1: big interstate. It's a low population, hence a low crime rate.
- 1:37Speaker 1: What could possibly go wrong? Well, that evening something did
- 1:42Speaker 1: go horribly wrong. After a school picnic, a barbecue of sorts,
- 1:50Speaker 1: Tera Grinstead heads home, not far away at all, just
- 1:54Speaker 1: a matter of miles and she's never seen alive again.
- 1:59Speaker 1: That was in Leave It or Not two thousand five
- 2:02Speaker 1: October twenty two, two thousand five, and Beauty Queen Tara
- 2:07Speaker 1: Grinstead has never been seen again. I was so intrigued
- 2:12Speaker 1: by the story. I traveled to Oscilla to meet with
- 2:15Speaker 1: TERA's mother. I went through her home. For those of
- 2:20Speaker 1: you joining us, let me say welcome to crime stories
- 2:23Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Joining me is a man who was very,
- 2:27Speaker 1: very familiar with this story. It's not just a story
- 2:31Speaker 1: for us, it's a case to be solved. And joining
- 2:34Speaker 1: me is Payne Lindsay, who has done his own investigating
- 2:39Speaker 1: on the case. Paine. The day Tara goes missing, let
- 2:42Speaker 1: me say, the night she goes missing. Tell me your
- 2:45Speaker 1: analysis of the timeline. Let's start with that, and then
- 2:49Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I observed in her home. Sure,
- 2:52Speaker 1: So from my knowledge, Tara's day started with helping some
- 2:57Speaker 1: some of her younger students who were in a patch
- 3:00Speaker 1: that day get ready to get their hair and make
- 3:02Speaker 1: up done at her house. So started there in the
- 3:05Speaker 1: morning around lunchtime, and after that she made her way
- 3:10Speaker 1: to the pageant and stayed there tour around seven. Right
- 3:14Speaker 1: where where was the pageant? So the pageant was in Fitzgerald,
- 3:18Speaker 1: which is about fifteen fifteen or so minutes from Oscilla
- 3:22Speaker 1: from her house, so it's one town over, but it's
- 3:25Speaker 1: all part of the same sort of area, same county.
- 3:29Speaker 1: So that evening the pageant girls were attending a pageant
- 3:34Speaker 1: in Fitzgerald, which was about fifteen minutes away, and so
- 3:39Speaker 1: Tara goes to the pageant. Tara leaves the pageant and
- 3:42Speaker 1: around seven, eight fifteen, she arrives at a friend's barbecue,
- 3:49Speaker 1: and it was a small little get together with some
- 3:52Speaker 1: neighbors and some friends, and she stays there. Okay, back
- 3:56Speaker 1: it up right there, Paine. Don't mean to interrupt, but
- 3:59Speaker 1: I've got to I've got to narrow this town here.
- 4:02Speaker 1: So you say a small barbecue, wasn't the principal from
- 4:07Speaker 1: her school there. That's correct. It was her house, it
- 4:09Speaker 1: was it was it was his house at his house.
- 4:12Speaker 1: Now is he married? He is, yes? Does he have children?
- 4:16Speaker 1: Were they there? He does have children. I believe that
- 4:19Speaker 1: they were there. I think there were a lot younger. Okay.
- 4:22Speaker 1: Who else was there beside the principal who was hosting
- 4:25Speaker 1: the event, his wife, possibly his children. Who else was there?
- 4:29Speaker 1: So of the people that I know for sure that
- 4:31Speaker 1: we're there, the only two that I can name was
- 4:33Speaker 1: certainty would be her ex boyfriend, Marcus Harper's parents. They
- 4:37Speaker 1: were there. Right a minute, you said the boyfriend. Now
- 4:41Speaker 1: is this the boyfriend that was former law enforcement? That's correct?
- 4:44Speaker 1: And his parents were there, that's correct. Okay. Was that
- 4:47Speaker 1: not a sticky situation with her and her ex there? Um?
- 4:51Speaker 1: You know, ten years later, eleven years later, you know,
- 4:55Speaker 1: it does seem a little odd. I mean, Marcus Harper,
- 4:58Speaker 1: her ex boyfriend was not here, but her his parents were. Okay,
- 5:03Speaker 1: I thought you said the boyfriend was there? So were there? Okay?
- 5:08Speaker 1: All right? I guarantee you. Now I'm speaking for them
- 5:11Speaker 1: with no knowledge on this anyway, but I guarantee you
- 5:14Speaker 1: she was quote the one that got away, absolutely because
- 5:17Speaker 1: who couldn't help but love Tara Grinstead. You know, I'm
- 5:20Speaker 1: sure his parents must have wanted those two to stay together. Well,
- 5:25Speaker 1: that was not meant to be. Did she break up
- 5:27Speaker 1: with him or did he break up with her? You
- 5:30Speaker 1: know it was It was a weird situation. It was
- 5:32Speaker 1: an on and off thing for for a while. They
- 5:35Speaker 1: were they had a long relationship of about five years. Hey,
- 5:38Speaker 1: no offense, but just answer the question, who broke up
- 5:41Speaker 1: with you? I believe it was. At first it was Tara,
- 5:45Speaker 1: and then they got back together, and then Marcus broke
- 5:49Speaker 1: up with her and sealed it and that was it.
- 5:52Speaker 1: So Tara at that point I wanted to get back
- 5:54Speaker 1: with him. She was rejected, and the tables turned on Tara.
- 5:58Speaker 1: Do you see what I'm saying. I know what you're
- 6:00Speaker 1: telling me is backed up by some of your own investigation,
- 6:03Speaker 1: But I just find it hard to believe that anybody
- 6:06Speaker 1: would break up with Tara Grinstead. She's beautiful, sweet, loving,
- 6:12Speaker 1: a teacher. Everybody loved her. I don't get it, Okay,
- 6:15Speaker 1: but you know what what goes on in the minds
- 6:17Speaker 1: of men. Now you may think that that's irrelevant, but
- 6:21Speaker 1: in my mind, who broke up with who is not
- 6:24Speaker 1: irrelevant and awfully Who says she wanted to get back
- 6:29Speaker 1: with him and she was rejected. Who who told you that? Well,
- 6:32Speaker 1: actually I know that because I have some of her emails,
- 6:36Speaker 1: and um, I mentioned them in the podcast. Actually it's
- 6:39Speaker 1: called Up and Vanish. But um, if you know if
- 6:42Speaker 1: these emails are in fact her writing, which I believe
- 6:46Speaker 1: that they are. Um, she is emailing Marcus Harper's mother
- 6:51Speaker 1: begging for him back. And I think it was just
- 6:54Speaker 1: I think it was more of the idea that she
- 6:55Speaker 1: was rejected for the first time. Yeah, you know that
- 6:59Speaker 1: hurts slutely does the first time you're dumped. But you
- 7:02Speaker 1: know what, looking back, you know there's a country song,
- 7:05Speaker 1: God's greatest gift is unanswered prayers. Okay, so when you
- 7:10Speaker 1: get that first rejection, it really stings. But I'm pretty
- 7:13Speaker 1: sure God has a plan. So he breaks up with
- 7:16Speaker 1: her according to you, and you discuss that on Up
- 7:20Speaker 1: in Vanishes that the name of your podcast. Yes, okay,
- 7:23Speaker 1: so they break up, but it's simmering. It's back and forth,
- 7:27Speaker 1: back and forth. She's at this barbecue, okay, picking up
- 7:30Speaker 1: their pain. So at the barbecue, she's there untill about
- 7:34Speaker 1: eleven o'clock PM, school night. This is on a Saturday night.
- 7:38Speaker 1: This is October, so this is a Saturday night. So
- 7:43Speaker 1: stays at the barbecue till about eleven o'clock PM, leaves
- 7:46Speaker 1: the barbecue and presumably goes home, but she's never seen
- 7:50Speaker 1: again after she leaves the barbecue. How far away did
- 7:54Speaker 1: Tara live from the barbecue? About a two minute drive,
- 7:58Speaker 1: about a seven minute walk, minute drive, seven minute walk.
- 8:02Speaker 1: And she was in her car, wasn't she? That's correct. Now,
- 8:05Speaker 1: there's been a lot of discussion. Was she run off
- 8:09Speaker 1: the road? And again, this is not this is not Miami,
- 8:13Speaker 1: it's not San Francisco, this is not New York, Long Island, Philadelphia, Boston.
- 8:20Speaker 1: There's not a whole lot of high speed freeway chases
- 8:23Speaker 1: in Oscilla. Okay, it's a two lane. However, the problem
- 8:28Speaker 1: with the tu lane is a lot of it is
- 8:30Speaker 1: through densely wooded area. But it's a two where nobody
- 8:34Speaker 1: would see what happened. But her car, as I recall,
- 8:38Speaker 1: was found at her home. Is that right? That's correct?
- 8:42Speaker 1: It was? Now what items of her? So I have
- 8:45Speaker 1: always contended that she made it home that night. It
- 8:48Speaker 1: was a two minute drive, and that's where things went sideways.
- 8:51Speaker 1: Now of her belongings, keys, purse, and cell phone. What
- 8:56Speaker 1: was still in her home? Pain? So inside was herself,
- 9:00Speaker 1: ohone on the charger, but her keys and her purse
- 9:02Speaker 1: were missing. I just don't see her leaving that home
- 9:06Speaker 1: without her cell phone. Yeah don't. I don't either. I
- 9:08Speaker 1: don't see it. If you're gonna bring your person your keys,
- 9:10Speaker 1: you know, that's kind of that's the third thing you
- 9:13Speaker 1: usually grab if you're leaving the house. It sounds to
- 9:15Speaker 1: me and maybe I'm projecting pain. But when I come in,
- 9:18Speaker 1: first of all, the children still my chargers constantly for
- 9:21Speaker 1: their iPads. But I don't know what Santa had in
- 9:25Speaker 1: his mind when he gave them iPads two years ago.
- 9:28Speaker 1: But I would never have condoned that. Now they run
- 9:31Speaker 1: off with them like squirrels with a nut. And when
- 9:33Speaker 1: I come home and look for a charger, forget about it.
- 9:36Speaker 1: But once I go for my my usual um hunt
- 9:40Speaker 1: scavengers hunt, one of the first things I do is
- 9:42Speaker 1: plug everything up so it'll be ready when I need it.
- 9:46Speaker 1: So I just got maybe I'm projecting the idea that
- 9:49Speaker 1: she comes in plugs in herself and she's been gone
- 9:52Speaker 1: all day to the pageant, rehearsal, blah blah blah, the barbecue.
- 9:56Speaker 1: She's been out of the home all day. She comes home,
- 9:58Speaker 1: plugs at in, and then something happens. Now, when I
- 10:03Speaker 1: was in the home, pain and I was there with
- 10:06Speaker 1: her mother, and we went through every room, room by
- 10:10Speaker 1: room with a fine tooth come nothing was out of place. Again,
- 10:14Speaker 1: it was like a dollhouse that somebody had set up.
- 10:17Speaker 1: And I say that only because it was very small,
- 10:19Speaker 1: but it was beautifully decorated and appointed. No, there was
- 10:22Speaker 1: no sign of a struggle. No windows were broken, the
- 10:25Speaker 1: door had been pride open, nothing had been ransacked. Nothing.
- 10:30Speaker 1: So she takes her keys and her purse. She had,
- 10:33Speaker 1: I think, to go with someone that knew her. So
- 10:37Speaker 1: what what do you think happens? Then she's home? Did
- 10:40Speaker 1: you say eleven o'clock? Eleven o'clock, yes, And the next
- 10:43Speaker 1: day would be Sunday. Now she was reported missing on
- 10:48Speaker 1: what day? Monday morning? She didn't show up for school.
- 10:50Speaker 1: She was a teacher, and she no call, no showed,
- 10:53Speaker 1: and her students were worried and they called the police
- 10:56Speaker 1: and they went to her house. Now I'm a little
- 10:59Speaker 1: perplexed by that, because I would have thought she would
- 11:02Speaker 1: have gone missing at church the next day, or that
- 11:05Speaker 1: her parents may have thought it odd that she was
- 11:08Speaker 1: not in touch with them all day Sunday, and that
- 11:11Speaker 1: was the thing. Um. The alarm really wasn't raised until
- 11:14Speaker 1: later on in the afternoon evening time. And so Tara's
- 11:19Speaker 1: mother called a family friend who is a police officer
- 11:23Speaker 1: from Parry to go drive and check on Tara. So
- 11:27Speaker 1: he drove their Sunday night, knocked on her door, no answer,
- 11:31Speaker 1: and put his business card in the door and left
- 11:33Speaker 1: and went back home. Okay, let's go through that again.
- 11:36Speaker 1: So the mother does get concerned on Sunday when she
- 11:39Speaker 1: doesn't hear from Terry, right, and she calls a friend
- 11:44Speaker 1: in law enforcement in nearby Perry, Georgia, which is about
- 11:48Speaker 1: the geographic middle of the state, not not exactly but almost.
- 11:53Speaker 1: So the former law enforcement from Parry drives then to Oscilla.
- 11:59Speaker 1: Did the mother go there for us? I assume that
- 12:01Speaker 1: she did. No, she didn't. She just called um this
- 12:04Speaker 1: man and he went by himself. He goes over and
- 12:07Speaker 1: what does he find? From my knowledge, all he found
- 12:10Speaker 1: was that her car was in the driveway, but Tira
- 12:13Speaker 1: either wasn't in the house. Or she wasn't coming to
- 12:15Speaker 1: the door, and he left his business card wedged in
- 12:19Speaker 1: the front door to let him know, to let her
- 12:21Speaker 1: know that he was there, and then he left and
- 12:23Speaker 1: went home. Okay, so he goes, why does she call him?
- 12:27Speaker 1: Who is he to this scenario? You know, if he
- 12:30Speaker 1: used to date Tara back in high school. I believe
- 12:32Speaker 1: they had some sort of dating relationship, but he was
- 12:35Speaker 1: mainly just a family friend and somebody that her mother trusted,
- 12:39Speaker 1: So that's why she called him. If he comes over,
- 12:41Speaker 1: he checks her home again, what time did the mother
- 12:45Speaker 1: call him? This would be around I believe ten thirty
- 12:48Speaker 1: eleven o'clock at night. So this man didn't get to
- 12:51Speaker 1: her house until around midnight Sunday night, Monday morning, So
- 12:56Speaker 1: at that point she still wasn't called in missing, correct,
- 12:59Speaker 1: that's correct. The mother may have thought, Okay, she's out
- 13:02Speaker 1: for a night and didn't tell me. I'm not gonna
- 13:05Speaker 1: embarrass her. I'm not going to make a big deal
- 13:06Speaker 1: out of it. And so we get to Monday morning.
- 13:09Speaker 1: Then what happens? So Monday morning she doesn't show up
- 13:12Speaker 1: for school. Um students and teachers are worried, so the
- 13:16Speaker 1: local police is called and they go to terrace house
- 13:20Speaker 1: and the next door neighbor actually had a key to
- 13:23Speaker 1: the house and he let the police officers in and
- 13:27Speaker 1: they found the business card, and they also found a
- 13:30Speaker 1: latex glove in the front yard just to stone throw
- 13:33Speaker 1: away from her front door. Um, just actually just a
- 13:36Speaker 1: few feet. Everyone. Payne's podcast is up and vanished and
- 13:40Speaker 1: it's dedicated to the disappearance of Tera Grinstead. I'm just
- 13:45Speaker 1: telling you, by the looks of the inside of her home,
- 13:49Speaker 1: which was immaculate, and the inside of her car spotless,
- 13:54Speaker 1: there's no way she would have allowed any kind of trash,
- 13:59Speaker 1: including this late ex glove lay right by our front
- 14:02Speaker 1: porch in the yard. No way. So I'm telling you
- 14:06Speaker 1: that had to have been dropped during the kidnap. Okay,
- 14:10Speaker 1: it had to be. So what else do we know?
- 14:14Speaker 1: So she's reported missing Monday at what time around eight
- 14:18Speaker 1: thirty when she didn't show up for school in the morning. Okay,
- 14:21Speaker 1: what else do we know about the crime scene? So
- 14:24Speaker 1: there's very little evidence really, you know, like you said,
- 14:27Speaker 1: the house was pretty much immaculate. There wasn't really any
- 14:30Speaker 1: signs of a struggle. You just had this random latex glove,
- 14:33Speaker 1: Her keys and her person are missing. Um, you know, interestingly,
- 14:38Speaker 1: her front door was was locked shut and her car
- 14:42Speaker 1: door was found unlocked. So somebody either Terry either walked
- 14:47Speaker 1: outside of her house willingly and locked her door, or
- 14:51Speaker 1: a kidnapper locked the door or came back and dropped
- 14:55Speaker 1: her cell phone off or something like that and locked
- 14:57Speaker 1: the door. Then so local pol he's immediately called the
- 15:01Speaker 1: g b I feeling that something was very wrong. She
- 15:04Speaker 1: didn't just take off for a long weekend. Also, it's
- 15:08Speaker 1: a very small community, so word traveled quickly that she
- 15:14Speaker 1: was gone about I guess it was fab two thousand nine,
- 15:18Speaker 1: a video surfaced on the Internet featuring a self proclaimed
- 15:24Speaker 1: serial killer called the Catch Me Killer, and he suggested
- 15:29Speaker 1: that he was responsible for her disappearance. What became of that?
- 15:33Speaker 1: We're talking about twenty seven year old Andrew Haley? What
- 15:36Speaker 1: was that all about? So at first it was pretty alarming,
- 15:38Speaker 1: and you know it was the family was notified and
- 15:41Speaker 1: the gb I got right on it and they took
- 15:43Speaker 1: it very seriously. But after some further investigation, they traced
- 15:47Speaker 1: the IP address and found out that it was just
- 15:51Speaker 1: a man playing a prank. It was some sort of
- 15:53Speaker 1: sick hoax. That he was playing, and he was eventually
- 15:57Speaker 1: charged with that and served time in prison for that.
- 16:01Speaker 1: Let's talk about the latex glove. I'm sure that it
- 16:03Speaker 1: was tested at the time, but when I say at
- 16:07Speaker 1: the time, I'm talking about two thousand and five. Since then,
- 16:10Speaker 1: there have been major developments in touch DNA, in mitochondrial DNA,
- 16:16Speaker 1: and why filer DNA, which wi filer probably wouldn't apply
- 16:20Speaker 1: to this because wi filer is used to identify male
- 16:25Speaker 1: DNA in a c of female DNA, but hey, I'm
- 16:29Speaker 1: just a trial lawyer. It may a scientist would have
- 16:32Speaker 1: to weigh in on that. My point is so many
- 16:35Speaker 1: developments have been made in DNA and forensics. I'm just
- 16:40Speaker 1: wondering if the GBI has retested it, what do we
- 16:43Speaker 1: know about potential persons of interest? And everybody's submit to
- 16:48Speaker 1: questioning polygraphs DNA tests, what do we know paying There
- 16:53Speaker 1: were several polygraph tests and the g b I also
- 16:56Speaker 1: claims to have swabbed over two hundred different people in
- 17:00Speaker 1: this case for DNA, and there hasn't been a single
- 17:03Speaker 1: match on the glove. M Marcus Harper, the ex boyfriend
- 17:07Speaker 1: of Tiara, did submit a polygraph test, but it was
- 17:11Speaker 1: a private polygraph test, and the g b I does
- 17:14Speaker 1: not accept those. Well, of course they don't, because here's
- 17:18Speaker 1: the thinking about why law enforcement doesn't take private polly's.
- 17:23Speaker 1: Number one, you don't know the conditions under which the
- 17:26Speaker 1: polly was administered. You're not really sure of the questions.
- 17:30Speaker 1: For instance, if you ask the question did you see
- 17:33Speaker 1: the latest Harry Potter? That really has nothing to do
- 17:36Speaker 1: with it, and the person is not going to get
- 17:38Speaker 1: tripped up on the answer, they'll tell a truthfully answer.
- 17:41Speaker 1: You've got to know what the questions are for all,
- 17:43Speaker 1: I know, in a in a private polly, you could
- 17:46Speaker 1: have the answers written out, the person could just read them. Sure,
- 17:49Speaker 1: you know, you don't know what's going on in a
- 17:51Speaker 1: private polly. You don't know if the person took a
- 17:53Speaker 1: stative beforehand to loose alleviate rapid heart rate, no idea.
- 18:00Speaker 1: That's why they are largely discounted. Now, what can you
- 18:03Speaker 1: tell me about people that did or did not take
- 18:07Speaker 1: a voluntary DNA test? And now, that is simply an
- 18:10Speaker 1: oral swab. It's like getting a Q tip and running
- 18:14Speaker 1: it alongside the inside of your your cheek. That's all
- 18:17Speaker 1: that is. It's no big deal. For the most part,
- 18:20Speaker 1: pretty much everybody person of interest wise and close to
- 18:23Speaker 1: the case did submit a DNA sample. And the tough
- 18:26Speaker 1: part about this is that in in Georgia, the closed
- 18:29Speaker 1: records law prevents me or you of digging into their
- 18:33Speaker 1: files and seeing who exactly these people really are. So
- 18:38Speaker 1: I'm only I only know this from people that I've
- 18:40Speaker 1: interviewed and talked to personally, who have told me, yes,
- 18:43Speaker 1: I have submitted a DNA sample, or no I have not.
- 18:47Speaker 1: Now as anyone told you they did not, or they
- 18:49Speaker 1: refused to take it. Yes, So of everyone that I've
- 18:52Speaker 1: talked to, the only person that I know for sure
- 18:55Speaker 1: didn't submit a DNA swab, at least voluntarily, would be Troy,
- 19:01Speaker 1: the guy who had the barbecue that night. You mean,
- 19:03Speaker 1: the principle at the high school. That's correct, refused to
- 19:07Speaker 1: take a DNA test. That's what he told me. Why,
- 19:11Speaker 1: I don't really know. I think it was just a
- 19:15Speaker 1: He said he wasn't guilty, and he said that he
- 19:18Speaker 1: didn't feel like he had to do that, and that
- 19:20Speaker 1: was sort of his answer for all I know. Since then,
- 19:23Speaker 1: he may have taken it, But when did he tell
- 19:26Speaker 1: you he did not? Take it recently, that was better.
- 19:28Speaker 1: He told me that recently, uh this year. That would
- 19:31Speaker 1: be back in two thousand five and two thousand six,
- 19:34Speaker 1: whenever the g b I was interviewing him and requesting
- 19:38Speaker 1: that DNA sample. Now, the principle is not a suspect
- 19:42Speaker 1: or a person of interest. I can tell you this,
- 19:44Speaker 1: though paying There's more than one way to skin a
- 19:46Speaker 1: cash all right. You know, there have been a lot
- 19:49Speaker 1: of incidents where police get d NA off a star,
- 19:53Speaker 1: from cup, off a drinking glass, from a hair brush,
- 19:57Speaker 1: from actually a pizza crust. They have successfully taken DNA
- 20:02Speaker 1: from a pizza crust. Oh, yes they have. It wasn't
- 20:06Speaker 1: the easiest thing to do to set up the whole
- 20:08Speaker 1: thing and maintain a proper chain of custody of the
- 20:10Speaker 1: pizza crust, but it's been done. So people don't have
- 20:13Speaker 1: to volunteer to give a DNA sample. You can get
- 20:17Speaker 1: it in many many ways. Um Hence you look out
- 20:20Speaker 1: your backyard and say the FBI digging through your trash. Okay,
- 20:25Speaker 1: that's one way to get it. So for all I know,
- 20:27Speaker 1: they've got is a DNA, whether he's submitted to it
- 20:29Speaker 1: or not. Where does the case stand now? Pain. So
- 20:34Speaker 1: for the g B I, they seem pretty bent on
- 20:38Speaker 1: the idea that the glove is without a doubt linked
- 20:41Speaker 1: to terrorist, kidnapper and or killer, and they believe that
- 20:46Speaker 1: one day they'll get a match and that will solve
- 20:48Speaker 1: this case. I don't feel that way. Um. I feel
- 20:51Speaker 1: that the the glove itself could in fact be a plant,
- 20:56Speaker 1: or the DNA on the glove could just be a
- 21:00Speaker 1: a person from a factory or just you know, a manufacturer,
- 21:03Speaker 1: and that's why it doesn't match any person in this case.
- 21:06Speaker 1: I think the the solving this case hinges on the
- 21:10Speaker 1: idea that somebody does know something, even if it's something
- 21:14Speaker 1: small or minor, and they might not even know that
- 21:16Speaker 1: what they know is very important, but that we need
- 21:20Speaker 1: to discover that and connect all the dots, or collect
- 21:23Speaker 1: the dots and then connect the dots. And that's what
- 21:26Speaker 1: we're trying to do right now. Paying do you really
- 21:28Speaker 1: believe Okay, now, two things. Number One, when you say
- 21:32Speaker 1: d n A at the manufacturing plant where the latex
- 21:35Speaker 1: glove was made, that's entirely possible because I've relayed to
- 21:39Speaker 1: you the story about John Benet and her underwear and
- 21:42Speaker 1: the d n A on her underwear that matches nobody,
- 21:46Speaker 1: They detect us. I've been told in that case actually
- 21:50Speaker 1: went and bought girls underwear at a department store and
- 21:53Speaker 1: there was DNA on it already, which means that you know,
- 21:58Speaker 1: that's got to be from a plant where someone touched it,
- 22:02Speaker 1: handled it in some way. No one has seen Tara
- 22:06Speaker 1: Grinstead or heard from her since Saturday, October two thousand five.
- 22:13Speaker 1: A missing person's report was made October twenty four, two
- 22:16Speaker 1: thousand five, eight fifty a m two Oscilla Police Department
- 22:21Speaker 1: by neighbors. Tara had not shown up from work that morning.
- 22:24Speaker 1: Her parents could not reach her. The last known contact
- 22:28Speaker 1: with her was Saturday night, around eleven pm. There is
- 22:32Speaker 1: no known description of the clothing she was wearing when
- 22:35Speaker 1: she disappeared. Her home lot or car parked and unlocked,
- 22:40Speaker 1: missing her purse and keys. If you have information on
- 22:45Speaker 1: Tara Grinstead, contact the g b I at four seven,
- 22:48Speaker 1: eight nine, eight seven four or five four five Oscilla
- 22:54Speaker 1: Police to to nine for six eight seven four nine four,
- 22:59Speaker 1: repeat two two nine four six eight seven four nine
- 23:03Speaker 1: four or toll free one eight hundred five nine seven
- 23:08Speaker 1: tips one eight hundred five nine seven eight four seven
- 23:14Speaker 1: seven or go to tips at find Terra dot com.
- 23:19Speaker 1: You can stay anonymous. Pain. I want to thank you
- 23:25Speaker 1: for being with us, and more importantly, I want to
- 23:29Speaker 1: thank you all for listening. If any of you can
- 23:34Speaker 1: help solve the mystery of missing Terra Grin instead, please
- 23:39Speaker 1: call those numbers. Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,