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The Kenny Report | 26 March · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Lone from the Skying You Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 3: Love him or loath them? Elon Musk is a visionary,
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  Speaker 3: isn't he? Thanks for joining the Kenny Report tonight. The
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  Speaker 3: fuel crisis you have when you don't have a fuel crisis.
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  Speaker 3: Prices skyrocket pumps run dry, but Chris Bowen says we're
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  Speaker 3: swimming in fuel. The ABC destroys its own claim to
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  Speaker 3: be pure and independent as its staff strike like a
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  Speaker 3: bunch of UNI students.
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  Speaker 1: Sarah Henderson will join.
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  Speaker 3: Me a fascinating and disturbing insight into how a sex
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  Speaker 3: abuse campaigner like Grace Tame can ignore the rape and
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  Speaker 3: murder of Israeli women.
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  Speaker 1: I'll speak with Claire Lehman.
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  Speaker 3: Alexander Downer is back in London and he'll assess the
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  Speaker 3: latest moves in the Middle East, plus sport with Robbo
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  Speaker 3: and the Thursday wrap up with Tim and Mark.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 3: With Easter only a week away and the fuel crisis building,
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  Speaker 3: the only certainty about future petrol and diesel supplies is
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  Speaker 3: that the situation remains uncertain. The government continues to argue,
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  Speaker 3: through Chris Bowen, that there's no supply problem, that every
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  Speaker 3: shipload of fuel canceled has been more than replaced by
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  Speaker 3: another and the only problem is that too many people
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  Speaker 3: have bought too much.
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  Speaker 4: If you take Ample and Viva together, they are supplying
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  Speaker 4: a lot more petrol and diesel to regional Australia now
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  Speaker 4: than they were a year ago, mister Speaker, a year ago.
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  Speaker 4: That is catching up with that massive increase in demand
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  Speaker 4: that we saw in the days following the twenty eighth
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  Speaker 4: of February.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so that's what the Energy Minister says. He's telling
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  Speaker 3: us there's no problem really, which makes it passing strange
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  Speaker 3: that there are five hundred and twenty one petrol stations
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  Speaker 3: around the country that have run out of petrol or
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  Speaker 3: diesel or both, and that's up from five hundred and
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  Speaker 3: sixteen yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: Curious, isn't it.
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  Speaker 3: There's so many pumps running dry, but the Energy Minister
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  Speaker 3: says there's stacks of fuel. Yet the Prime Minister seems
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  Speaker 3: to think there is a crisis. He's just keen to
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  Speaker 3: point out it's not his doing. He's resorted to a
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  Speaker 3: strong man argument in Parliament, accusing the Opposition of trying
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  Speaker 3: to fool everyone into thinking there's no war in the
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  Speaker 3: Middle East.
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  Speaker 5: The Shadow Treasurer said, there are a lot of events
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  Speaker 5: outside of our control recognition that there's this world conflict
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  Speaker 5: going on that is having an impact here. Now, don't
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  Speaker 5: come in here and pretend that that doesn't exist. We understand,
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  Speaker 5: we understand that it's real, and we understand that it
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  Speaker 5: makes a difference. And coming in here and pretending that
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  Speaker 5: there's conflict, which we do not know when it will end,
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  Speaker 5: we hope it ends soon, is not having an impact
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  Speaker 5: right around the globe. Is is frankly just treating people
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  Speaker 5: like mugs.
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  Speaker 1: This is odd, isn't it?
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  Speaker 3: Because it's Olbo's own energy minister who's pretending that everything
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  Speaker 3: is just tickety boo. With all this confusion, the PM
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  Speaker 3: reckons it's time for another urgent meeting.
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  Speaker 5: On Monday, will convene the National Cabinet.
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  Speaker 6: To ensure as well that we get.
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  Speaker 5: That coordination across the levels of government. Now, my message
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  Speaker 5: to Austrands remains, do not take more fuel than you need.
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  Speaker 5: As a government, we're prepared so we can shield a
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  Speaker 5: strange from the worst of global uncertainty. The best way
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  Speaker 5: to do that is for all of us to keep
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  Speaker 5: working together in the national interest.
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  Speaker 1: Crisis.
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  Speaker 3: What crisis, says the Energy Minister Chris Bowen. I'm holding
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  Speaker 3: crisis talks, says the Prime Minister. And the former Prime
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  Speaker 3: Minister Tony Abbott camp painting in Farah today seems to
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  Speaker 3: have picked up on my point that this government's answer
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  Speaker 3: to just about everything is just meetings.
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  Speaker 7: The Prime Minister has been in hiding for the last
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  Speaker 7: few weeks, there's been no national leadership. He thinks that
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  Speaker 7: having a meeting is somehow making a difference. Well wrong.
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  Speaker 7: Yet another meeting of the National Cabinet. That's a photo op.
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  Speaker 7: That's not the serious relief that the Australian public are
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  Speaker 7: entitled to expect at a time like this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, another meeting.
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  Speaker 3: I guess as long as they're all in meetings, they
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  Speaker 3: won't be burning any fuel. Abbot, by the way, might
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  Speaker 3: also have picked up on Pauline Hanson's point here last
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  Speaker 3: night that this crisis is also.
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  Speaker 1: A tax bonanza for the government with.
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  Speaker 8: The increase in the fuel. Of course they're getting more
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  Speaker 8: in GST.
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  Speaker 9: Apparently the federal government's making three hundred million dollars a
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  Speaker 9: month off the GST. Extra three hundred million a month
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  Speaker 9: extra ands t from the pure crisis.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, We've checked those figures. They stack up.
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  Speaker 3: You'd think that money alone would allow the government to
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  Speaker 3: do something about price relief.
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  Speaker 7: Why should the federal government be profiting from a crisis
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  Speaker 7: through increased tax takes. So look, I just think that
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  Speaker 7: what tends to happen whenever there's a crisis, whether it
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  Speaker 7: was the Bondai massacre, whether it's the current Iran war,
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  Speaker 7: the prime minister goes missing, and we need a leader
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  Speaker 7: who takes charge, not someone who was paralyzed by events.
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  Speaker 3: While the politicians squabble, the hardship for transport operators, industry.
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  Speaker 1: And households continues.
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  Speaker 3: Diesel prices are creeping even higher, often above three dollars
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  Speaker 3: ten or fifteen e liter today, while unlettered petrol is
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  Speaker 3: two dollars fifty a liter or more and more pumps
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  Speaker 3: are running dry. But apparently it's all because we're buying
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  Speaker 3: too much. Just where we're putting all this extra fuel,
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  Speaker 3: no one's been able to explain. Interestingly, many people won't
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  Speaker 3: be aware of this. Australia exports about six billion dollars
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  Speaker 3: worth of crude oil a year.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, we do.
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  Speaker 3: We produce more than one hundred million barrels of oil
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  Speaker 3: a year, many of it from our gas fields as
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  Speaker 3: a byproduct, and instead of refining it here we and
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  Speaker 3: boosting our energy security, of course, we export it to
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  Speaker 3: Asia for refinement overseas. What a clever country we've become. Now,
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  Speaker 3: how about the ABC last night? This mob of geniuses
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  Speaker 3: did this to their loyal viewers.
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  Speaker 10: Due to industrial action, seven point thirty will not air tonight.
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  Speaker 10: It will return tomorrow. We sincerely apologize for the interruption
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  Speaker 10: in servers. For the latest news, visit ABC News online
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  Speaker 10: at ABC dot net dot AU slash news.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Instead of the usual dose of green left current affairs,
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  Speaker 3: they insulted their audiences with this.
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  Speaker 11: On tonight's special episode hits Up Battle of the Networks
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  Speaker 11: Larry Ender, Channel seven Expert Subject Ozzie Game Shows, Leave Sales,
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  Speaker 11: ABC Expert Subject eights TV show openers.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so we work hard, we pay our taxes, and
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  Speaker 3: that's what these activists do.
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  Speaker 1: We'll all host tax dollars.
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  Speaker 3: They really think they're revolutionaries too, this sort of collectivist
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  Speaker 3: action that they had yesterday, their strike action gets them
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  Speaker 3: so excited.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's like they're back at university.
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  Speaker 12: The last twenty four hours were a downing tools, and
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  Speaker 12: we did that in solidarity with younger producers and journalists
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  Speaker 12: and engineers here who live too long, often on insecure
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  Speaker 12: contracts and stuck on pay levels really that they just
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  Speaker 12: can't afford to live on. I mean, this strike is
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  Speaker 12: not for people like me. It's about solidarity with our younger,
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  Speaker 12: our younger.
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  Speaker 3: Colleagues, really solidar nush. If fran Kelly really wanted to
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  Speaker 3: help her young colleagues, she might move on, take her
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  Speaker 3: fifteen percent superannuation and generous entitlements and leave some more
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  Speaker 3: funds for her young colleagues to share.
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  Speaker 1: But retirement doesn't seem to happen at the ABC.
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  Speaker 3: Philip Adams, you will remember, was on the payroll forever,
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  Speaker 3: and when they finally moved him on, they couldn't find
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  Speaker 3: an appropriate lefty within the organization and brought in David
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  Speaker 3: Maher Heaven forbid. The ABC actually use its staff resources
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  Speaker 3: a little more efficiently. Remember Lee Sales, you just saw
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  Speaker 3: her there in that comedy program. Used to host seven
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  Speaker 3: point thirty every night or four nights a week.
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  Speaker 1: Now she collects a full time salary for what for
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  Speaker 1: not doing very much?
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  Speaker 3: The ABC could easily save money or be more productive
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  Speaker 3: but it's not in their nature. They prefer to winge
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  Speaker 3: and ask for more of your tax dollars. Still, they've
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  Speaker 3: really shot themselves in the foot.
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  Speaker 1: Now, haven't they.
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  Speaker 3: They've always claimed to be independent, too pure to take
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  Speaker 3: direction from anybody or let alone except advertising. But yesterday
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  Speaker 3: they were happy to hijack their own purity to advertise
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  Speaker 3: their union's demands and their own self interest.
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  Speaker 13: It is worth noting Gemo that our coverage of inflation
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  Speaker 13: and finance for the rest of the day will be
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  Speaker 13: different from usual because my colleagues and I will be
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  Speaker 13: on strike. Like many of our viewers. A lot of
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  Speaker 13: ABC staff as struggling to keep up with the rising
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  Speaker 13: cost of living, and we're asking for a pay rise
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  Speaker 13: that will help keep our heads above water.
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  Speaker 3: Surely they can never pretend to be pure or politically independent.
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  Speaker 1: Ever again, just on wages growth, ABC staff.
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  Speaker 3: Have been offered a three point five percent pay rise
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  Speaker 3: this year and three and a quarter percent for each
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  Speaker 3: of the next two years, a pretty good deal smoothed
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  Speaker 3: over with a thousand dollars bonus, and they've rejected it.
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  Speaker 3: And don't forget, of course, they get three or four
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  Speaker 3: percent more super than the rest of us. But while
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  Speaker 3: the government indirectly deals with that cost pressure, it's backed
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  Speaker 3: an even higher pay rise for low wage journers, backing
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  Speaker 3: an increase higher than inflation, that is higher than three
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  Speaker 3: point seven percent for the minimum wage.
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  Speaker 14: We recognize that it is a volatile environment, but of
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  Speaker 14: course the Fair Work Commission will consider and have a
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  Speaker 14: lot of information, and that is why we haven't put
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  Speaker 14: a number on this, but has asked to consider an
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  Speaker 14: economically sustainable real wage increase.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, the AECTU wants five percent and the Treasurer
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  Speaker 3: has echoed that generous position about it being above inflation.
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  Speaker 15: The government's submission to the Annual Wage Review today is
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  Speaker 15: all about a decent pay rise to help Australian workers
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  Speaker 15: on awards with the cost of living. We know that
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  Speaker 15: people are under pressure. We saw that in the inflation
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  Speaker 15: and confidence numbers this week. We know that they're worried
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  Speaker 15: about developments in the Middle East and what that means
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  Speaker 15: for us, especially when it comes to fuel.
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  Speaker 3: Look as ever, this stuff sounds terrific and we all
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  Speaker 3: want people on the lowest wages to be looked after.
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  Speaker 3: But the trouble is the government is promising all of
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  Speaker 3: this with other people's money, and in the middle of
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  Speaker 3: an inflation crisis, it's still cranking up spending and now
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  Speaker 3: boosting wages above inflation, which of course will only fuel
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  Speaker 3: further inflation. We're in a vicious inflationary spiral, fueled by
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  Speaker 3: wild government spending and made worse now by the fuel crisis,
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  Speaker 3: and labour's only response is to throw more spending fuel
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  Speaker 3: onto that fire, and higher wages as well. And labor
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  Speaker 3: is also pushing wages up now, and they wonder, they
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  Speaker 3: wonder why interest rates are cranking up again. Labor is
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  Speaker 3: incapable of taking a tough decision and we'll all pay
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  Speaker 3: for their weakness. Let's go to Canberra now and catch
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  Speaker 3: up with the Shadow Minister for Regional Health and Communications
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  Speaker 3: and Webster, good to talk to you again.
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  Speaker 1: And the fuel crisis.
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  Speaker 3: How is it in your neck of the woods in
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  Speaker 3: northwestern Victoria?
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  Speaker 16: It is really tough, Chris. We've got horticulturalists, citrus growers
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  Speaker 16: who are really thinking it's not going to be viable
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  Speaker 16: to pick their crop and send it to the market.
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  Speaker 16: They've got agents down at the markets who are saying
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  Speaker 16: we can't buy your fruit to sell to shops because
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  Speaker 16: it'll be too high and consumers won't buy it, and
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  Speaker 16: so the farmers' are price takers as we know, and
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  Speaker 16: they will be left literally high and dry, with fruits
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  Speaker 16: and vegetables left in the ground or on the tree.
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  Speaker 16: I've got cropping farmers in the Horsham area. I had
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  Speaker 16: them riding to me. They're walking around the yards at
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  Speaker 16: two am in the morning, completely distressed that they cannot
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  Speaker 16: get the fuel in order to sow their crops, and
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  Speaker 16: they're having to make decisions. In fact, I spoke to
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  Speaker 16: somebody very knowledgeable half an hour ago who said to
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  Speaker 16: me that one in three farms is his estimation choosing
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  Speaker 16: to plant different crops such as vegalentils which don't require
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  Speaker 16: nitrogen as much as wheat and barley, higher value crops arguably,
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  Speaker 16: but they can't put them in because there is no
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  Speaker 16: fuel security and there is no fertilizer security.
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  Speaker 8: So it is having a huge.
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  Speaker 16: Impact, and that of course will have the role on
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  Speaker 16: effect of going into our supermarkets. Well, there will be
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  Speaker 16: shortages of vegetables, shortages of fruit, and people won't be
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  Speaker 16: able to afford to a by them to buy them anyway.
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  Speaker 16: This is a very serious situation that labor have got
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  Speaker 16: us into in terms of their management. And Chris I
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  Speaker 16: said in the House today that if gas lighting was
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  Speaker 16: an energy source, labor could light up the nation while
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  Speaker 16: we fall into the abyss of their incompetence. It has
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  Speaker 16: been awful and to have so many people out in
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  Speaker 16: the region really in a desperate way. I've spoken to
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  Speaker 16: fuel providers out in the region. One who was a
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  Speaker 16: massive provider in my area. Sixty five percent of his
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  Speaker 16: distribution is out to farmers. He is on contracts, and
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  Speaker 16: I say that very deliberately. He's on contracts. He is
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  Speaker 16: getting sixty five percent. He's getting between eight hundred thousand
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  Speaker 16: a million leaders a day. He needs eighteen hundred a
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  Speaker 16: million liters a day in order to serve the community
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  Speaker 16: in its needs.
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  Speaker 8: They're from the big boys, so they're contracts.
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  Speaker 16: On March the third, Chris Bowen said in the House
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  Speaker 16: that he would be expecting expecting was his word. He
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  Speaker 16: would be expecting the big supplies and he's told them
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  Speaker 16: he's had a conversation how to chat and said that
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  Speaker 16: he would be expecting them to get the fuel out
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  Speaker 16: to the regions. Well you know what, mate, it's actually
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  Speaker 16: not happening.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Meetings don't actually cut it. The thing is that
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  Speaker 3: even the labor premiere of your own state of Victoria
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  Speaker 3: admits there's a problem.
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  Speaker 1: Here's just center Allen.
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  Speaker 17: We do need that continue to that need to see
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  Speaker 17: that nationally coordinated approach. Particularly and we hope this doesn't happen,
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  Speaker 17: but if it does continue, the situation does deteriorate, we
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  Speaker 17: need to be ready with that national response.
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  Speaker 3: Now, the new South Wales Premier, Chris Mens is also
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  Speaker 3: concerned about this.
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  Speaker 1: I just don't get it.
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  Speaker 3: The Prime Minister's sort of angry that people are suggesting
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  Speaker 3: that there's a problem here and not attributing at all
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  Speaker 3: to the war. Yet Chris Bowen, the man charged with
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  Speaker 3: fixing this, keeps telling us that there is plenty of
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  Speaker 3: fuel in this country. If there's plenty of fuel, then
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  Speaker 3: how are so many petrol stations running dry and so
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  Speaker 3: many industries and businesses, like you say, landowners and farmers
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  Speaker 3: not able to get the fuel they need to run
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  Speaker 3: their businesses.
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  Speaker 16: Absolutely, I've got people who are telling me that they're
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  Speaker 16: not going to their health appointments.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, this is serious.
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  Speaker 16: They're not going to their health appointments because they can't
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  Speaker 16: get fuel to put in their car to go see
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  Speaker 16: the doctor, because you know, as we've spoken about on
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  Speaker 16: many occasions, the workforce for health out in the regions
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  Speaker 16: is dismally bad, and so.
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  Speaker 8: People have to travel. They have to travel to go.
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  Speaker 16: And get their health appointments and their health checks. They
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  Speaker 16: can't put fuel in because there is no fuel.
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  Speaker 8: There is no fuel.
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  Speaker 16: So he insists that there is fuel going out to
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  Speaker 16: the regions as a priority. I'm sorry that is not happening.
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  Speaker 16: And the other point that I would make is that
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  Speaker 16: he quoted today that March twenty twenty five, there was
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  Speaker 16: I can't remember how many millions of leaders it was
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  Speaker 16: in the system, and in terms of distribution. In March
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  Speaker 16: twenty twenty six, there is more fuel in the system
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  Speaker 16: and people are just using too much. Well, you know what,
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  Speaker 16: it's been raining, Chris, it's actually been Farmers want to
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  Speaker 16: sew a crop this year. They couldn't necessarily do that
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  Speaker 16: last year. So the complications are there that they just.
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  Speaker 1: They would even understand that.
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  Speaker 3: They wouldn't understand that and the need to get your
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  Speaker 3: crop in when you've had some decent reign. Thanks for
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  Speaker 3: joining us, and I appreciate it. Do you to tell
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  Speaker 3: you what it's a lesson of the country too. For
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  Speaker 3: these idiots, including in the federal labor and Green's government,
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  Speaker 3: who pretend we can get to net zero by twenty fifty.
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  Speaker 1: Try and do all this on electricity. You just can't
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  Speaker 1: do it.
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  Speaker 3: Our country runs like the rest of the world, the
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  Speaker 3: rest of the developed world. It runs on fossil fuels,
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  Speaker 3: and the pretense that we can wean ourselves off them
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  Speaker 3: in the next fifteen or twenty years is absolutely ludicrous.
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  Speaker 3: Now let's go to the Middle East, and Iran is
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  Speaker 3: rejecting a peace deal being pushed by US President Donald Trump,
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  Speaker 3: saying the demands are excessive and it will end the
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  Speaker 3: war when it decides to.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the latest from Fox News.
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  Speaker 18: President Trump is trying a dual track of diplomacy and
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  Speaker 18: airstrikes to accomplish his goals in Iran, But on Wednesday,
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  Speaker 18: the Iranians rejected his fifteen point piece plan and issued
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  Speaker 18: their own counter offer, which reads more like a list
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  Speaker 18: of demands, including the removal of American sanctions and full
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  Speaker 18: sovereignty over the Strait of Hormuz, which would allow them
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  Speaker 18: to control more than twenty percent of the world's oil.
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  Speaker 18: The White House dismissed that response, saying, once again, the
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  Speaker 18: regime has a choice to make either accept a diplomatic
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  Speaker 18: solution or face total military destruction.
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  Speaker 9: President Trump does not bluff and he is prepared to
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  Speaker 9: unleash Hell.
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  Speaker 3: Let's bring in Australia's longest serving foreign miers to Alexander Downa,
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  Speaker 3: who joins us from London this week.
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  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again, Alexander.
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  Speaker 3: These so called peace talks is a very pic as
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  Speaker 3: to where they're happening and who's involved. Do we think
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  Speaker 3: there is a serious attempt to negotiate this war a
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  Speaker 3: wire at the moment?
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  Speaker 19: Yes, I do think the Trump administration would frankly like
• 19:59
  Speaker 19: to strike some sort of a deal with the Iranians.
• 20:03
  Speaker 19: But of course what would be necessary would be several things.
• 20:07
  Speaker 19: An absolute guarantee that Iran wouldn't rebuild its particularly missile
• 20:14
  Speaker 19: and drone capability so that it can attack its neighbors. Secondly,
• 20:21
  Speaker 19: and related to that, that Iran wouldn't any longer support
• 20:26
  Speaker 19: a proxy war.
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: Against countries like Israel through people.
• 20:31
  Speaker 19: Like Hasbala, Hamas and the Huthis, that it would cease
• 20:35
  Speaker 19: supporting them. And thirdly, that they wouldn't start to rebuild
• 20:39
  Speaker 19: their nuclear program, and if all of those conditions are met,
• 20:45
  Speaker 19: then the Trump administration would make a deal. But if
• 20:49
  Speaker 19: they're not met, and so far the Iranians are not
• 20:53
  Speaker 19: prepared to agree to those conditions, then the Americans and
• 20:58
  Speaker 19: the Israelis will achieve those.
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: Ends by military means.
• 21:02
  Speaker 19: And they've obviously gone a long way towards the chieping man.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: I think that's the key point there.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: They are fundamental demands and fundamental outcomes from this war.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: They can be achieved militarily eventually, and if Iran was
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: to sign up to them, and the rest of the
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: world would be very happy, Israel and the US because
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: the only other aim that wouldn't be fulfilled really would
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: be regime change. So the Mullers in Iran would continue
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: to hold their regime together.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Even if they though they've had to give up all
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: the rest of it.
• 21:34
  Speaker 19: Well, I said right at the beginning of this war,
• 21:37
  Speaker 19: the prospect of regime change was pretty remote. I don't
• 21:41
  Speaker 19: think that's going to be very easy to achieve because
• 21:44
  Speaker 19: the IRGC, the Islamic Republican Guard Corps have who who
• 21:50
  Speaker 19: are basically the military backbone of the regime. They have
• 21:55
  Speaker 19: they still have a lot of members, and they're spread
• 21:59
  Speaker 19: throughout the country, and anybody who starts to rise up
• 22:03
  Speaker 19: against the regime and against them is immediately executed. So
• 22:09
  Speaker 19: it's very hard to get rid of the regime in
• 22:11
  Speaker 19: the short term. In the medium term they'll probably fade away,
• 22:15
  Speaker 19: but in the short term it would be hoping too
• 22:18
  Speaker 19: much for that to happen.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: Let's shot our focus to to southern Lebanon, where, of
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: course it's been a Hezbollah stronghold for decades, but under
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: a UN Security Council Resolution seventeen oh one, Hesbella was
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: supposed to be disarmed in that region.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Obviously they weren't.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: They'd been firing missiles into Israel consistently, but Israel supposedly
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: cleaned out a lot of Hesbela over the past couple
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: of years. They're back in there now, there's even talk
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: about claiming territory there. What are the concerns there, What
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: do we expect to see Israel achieve in southern Lebanon?
• 22:54
  Speaker 19: Well, further steps to make sure that hesbilarisen table to
• 22:59
  Speaker 19: attack Israel anymore. And there has been a pretty much
• 23:04
  Speaker 19: unreported development in the last two or three days where
• 23:09
  Speaker 19: the Lebanese government has expelled the Iranian ambassador from Lebanon
• 23:15
  Speaker 19: because the Lebanese government has had enough of the activities
• 23:20
  Speaker 19: of Hesbala, which invite Israel to come in and attack
• 23:24
  Speaker 19: Hesbela sites. Israel isn't randomly carpet bombing Lebanon, which is
• 23:31
  Speaker 19: the sort of impression you get from the media coverage.
• 23:34
  Speaker 19: It's targeting Hesbela arms dumps and headquarters and so on bases,
• 23:42
  Speaker 19: and the Lebanese government wants Hesbelah disarmed as well as
• 23:50
  Speaker 19: does the United Nations.
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: So the Israelis are doing the work for them.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: Look, just before I let you go, I've got to
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: ask you about your travel.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: I spoke to you and had last week and you
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: said you're going to London. You went through Dubai.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: Now, most people are under the impression that all airflights
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: through the Middle East have stopped, so many people have
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: had their flights canceled. What's the routine of flying to
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: Europe via Dubai at the moment?
• 24:15
  Speaker 19: Well, to quote the ABC's Laura Tingle, along standing journalist
• 24:21
  Speaker 19: with the ABC, I was stranded in Dubai.
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: But I was stranded there.
• 24:26
  Speaker 19: For an hour and a half to change to change flights.
• 24:30
  Speaker 19: I got the Melbourne to do By flight and then
• 24:34
  Speaker 19: Dubai to London flight. Dubai Airport isn't AzaC active as
• 24:39
  Speaker 19: it historically is, but nevertheless it's very busy and there
• 24:44
  Speaker 19: are a lot of planes flying in and out, commercial
• 24:47
  Speaker 19: planes flying in and out of Dubai International Airport, including
• 24:51
  Speaker 19: to and from Australia. So it's funny how these things
• 24:55
  Speaker 19: don't get reported. And the ABC says one of their
• 24:59
  Speaker 19: leading correspondence is stranded there where there are a lot
• 25:03
  Speaker 19: of commercial flights flying in and out, and there are
• 25:06
  Speaker 19: dozens and dozens of commercial flights flying in and out
• 25:09
  Speaker 19: every day.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: Great inside, Alexander, thanks so much for joining us again.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: Alexander down of there live in London. You heard how
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: we got there. You don't hear much about that, do you.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: Now we've got to take a break. On the other side,
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: I share with you a fascinating and disturbing insight how
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: a sex abuse campaigner like Grace Tame can ignore the
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: rape and murder of Israeli women. Now many of us
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: have been disgusted and confounded by why and how a
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: sexual abuse campaigner like Grace Tame could disregard the women raped,
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: tortured and murdered by Hummas on October the seventh, twenty
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: twenty three, and instead shout hateful slogans like globalizing into FATA. Worryingly,
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: this can all be explained by the ideologal direction of
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: our schools and universities and their obsession with identity politics.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: The founder and editor of Collette, Claire Lehman, has written
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: brilliantly about this in The Australian, saying, from this perspective,
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: whatever Palestinians do, even if it consists of terrorism, rape
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: and murder, it's freedom fighting, and whatever Israelis do is
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: colonial oppression. The rape victims at the Nova Festival are
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: conveniently ignored.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: I'm pleased to say, Lemon joins me now on the desk, Claire,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: thanks for joining us. So many people will.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: Be utterly confused as to how somebody like Grace tame
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: And that's not all about her, that there are many.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Others who display such willful.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: Ignorance about the horrors of humas pretended away to run
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: their pro Palestinian agenda. But you've looked at this from
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: an ideological, I suppose and philosophical basis that in filtraits
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: our schools and our education departments, and you explain how
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: it happens.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Can you do that for our viewers?
• 27:07
  Speaker 20: Now, yeah, Chris, So what I tried to do in
• 27:10
  Speaker 20: this column was explain how the moral framework that guides
• 27:15
  Speaker 20: people like Grace Tame actually has its own internal logic,
• 27:19
  Speaker 20: even though we might disagree with it. That internal logic
• 27:23
  Speaker 20: is that those who are oppressed can never be guilty.
• 27:28
  Speaker 20: So that moral framework is quite different to our moral framework,
• 27:34
  Speaker 20: which is informed by the Judeo Christian heritage, where rape
• 27:40
  Speaker 20: and murder are bad no matter who commits them, who
• 27:43
  Speaker 20: commits those acts, and the political identity of the victim,
• 27:48
  Speaker 20: Whereas in the oppressor versus the oppressed framework, oppressors are
• 27:55
  Speaker 20: always guilty and the oppressed are never guilty. They're always innocent,
• 28:01
  Speaker 20: and that is fixed. It doesn't change according to a crime.
• 28:06
  Speaker 20: And it's also inherited. So I'm guilty by virtue of
• 28:12
  Speaker 20: my ancestors coming to Australia and being colonizers and there's
• 28:17
  Speaker 20: nothing I can do about it. So guilt and innocence
• 28:20
  Speaker 20: are fixed, and they're inherited, and they're based on things
• 28:25
  Speaker 20: like skin color, your identity, even your position in the
• 28:28
  Speaker 20: economic order. Now, This might seem twisted and perverted to you,
• 28:34
  Speaker 20: but this is the status quo in many academic disciplines,
• 28:39
  Speaker 20: disciplines such as postcolonial studies. I cited in my column.
• 28:44
  Speaker 20: I cited an academic who is the number one cited
• 28:47
  Speaker 20: academic in the education discipline who argued that the oppressed
• 28:52
  Speaker 20: can never be guilty of violence. So this moral framework
• 28:56
  Speaker 20: hasn't come out of nowhere. It has come out of
• 28:59
  Speaker 20: the academy, but it has escaped the academy through social
• 29:03
  Speaker 20: media and through infiltrating non government organizations and the like.
• 29:07
  Speaker 20: And for many people it's just it's just the status quo, and.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: People don't have to study that specifically sort of pick
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: up that framework. They get it by I suppose by
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: being involved in organizations. It might be through political organizations.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: It becomes almost by osmosis that people pick it up,
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: and it's almost, as you describe it, like you have
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: original sin exactly, and the facts don't seem to matter.
• 29:35
  Speaker 20: Well, the facts can be twisted or ignored. So I
• 29:38
  Speaker 20: think in the case of the rape victims at the
• 29:41
  Speaker 20: Nova Festival, it's easier for people like Grace Tame or
• 29:45
  Speaker 20: Randa abdel Fatar to just ignore that or come up
• 29:49
  Speaker 20: with reasons why they don't have to take the evidence seriously.
• 29:53
  Speaker 20: So I know that Randa Abdelfhatar has said that it's
• 29:57
  Speaker 20: the Israeli regime that has made claim of systemic rape
• 30:01
  Speaker 20: on October the seventh, ignoring the fact that the women
• 30:05
  Speaker 20: who were raped were also murdered. So you can sort
• 30:09
  Speaker 20: of pretzel twist the facts into your worldview if it
• 30:14
  Speaker 20: suits you.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: Let's look at an example of that where Grace Tame
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: was asked about this on the ABC.
• 30:21
  Speaker 21: Timney's texted in saying, can you please ask Grace why
• 30:24
  Speaker 21: she's selective in her outrage? She says, I've never heard
• 30:27
  Speaker 21: her condemn or speak out on behalf of the Israeli
• 30:30
  Speaker 21: women who were raped and killed by Hamas on October seven.
• 30:33
  Speaker 21: Have you spoken about that? Have you expressed outrage about.
• 30:37
  Speaker 22: I'm not going to think to the level of entertaining
• 30:39
  Speaker 22: any kind of propaganda Hamish.
• 30:43
  Speaker 21: What's the propaganda included in that question? That those things
• 30:47
  Speaker 21: have been debunked.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Now, Grace Tame is far from alone.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: It sickens me the widespread unremembering of October the seventh
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: we see in this debate, and also the willingness to
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: believe any atrocity or accusation level against Israel. So you've
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: explained how that happens is essentially the oppressed and the oppressor,
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: and one side is always wrong and the other side
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: is always right.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: How do we change this?
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: If this is coming through our university and schooling system,
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: how do we change it and get back to a
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: fact based rational analysis of these issues.
• 31:24
  Speaker 20: That's a big question. I wish I had the answer, Chris.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 31:28
  Speaker 20: I think if we explain, if we marginalize these views,
• 31:32
  Speaker 20: explain their internal logic, and expose their internal logic, that
• 31:37
  Speaker 20: can go some way to helping the situation. And also
• 31:40
  Speaker 20: just coming back to our moral heritage. I mean, it's
• 31:43
  Speaker 20: not just the douday A Christian heritage that we have
• 31:46
  Speaker 20: in the West. We also have the consequentialist tradition, which
• 31:51
  Speaker 20: posits that what is good is beneficial to more people,
• 31:56
  Speaker 20: and what is bad is what causes suffering. And I
• 31:58
  Speaker 20: mean zeb was seven course suffering for the Palestinians as
• 32:02
  Speaker 20: well as the Israelis.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: It triggered it tind.
• 32:04
  Speaker 20: To It triggered a war that they could not win,
• 32:06
  Speaker 20: and tens of thousands of people in Gaza have been killed.
• 32:10
  Speaker 20: So I think just contrasting the simplicity, the crude, primitive
• 32:17
  Speaker 20: nature of this oppressor versus oppressed moral framework with the
• 32:22
  Speaker 20: richer frameworks that we have in our tradition is a
• 32:25
  Speaker 20: good starting point.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: It is indeed, Claiar, thanks so much for sharing your
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: insights with us. Clear Leman there, you'll be able to
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: get onto the Australian website if you like. In serch
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: that article. It was published a few days ago. But
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: we've got to get to a breakdown on the other side.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: We're going to talk about how the ABC has destroyed
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: its own claim to be pure and independent over this
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: strike yesterday. Sarah Henderson, the Shadow Communications Minister, will join me.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: Let's get back onto the ABC after we had a
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: bit of an examination of it on last night's program
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: in the middle of their twenty four hours strike. Joining
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: us from Canberra is the Shadow Communications Minister, Sarah Henderson. Sarah,
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: on our program last night we showed a lot of
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: your press conference in Canberra yesterday where you made that
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: brilliant point that the ABC staff were hijacking a national
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: broadcasting institution to promote their own message. It's outrageous obviously
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: in breach of their charter obligations, but no word from
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: ABC management to about taking any action against.
• 33:28
  Speaker 22: That, and also Chris, no word from the Minister for Communications.
• 33:34
  Speaker 22: Because this obligation to report the news impartially inaccurately is
• 33:39
  Speaker 22: embedded in the law under the ABC Act. It's a
• 33:42
  Speaker 22: very important provision Section eight. I know it very well
• 33:45
  Speaker 22: as you do, which requires journalists to meet the very
• 33:49
  Speaker 22: highest standards.
• 33:51
  Speaker 8: After all, the ABC receives.
• 33:52
  Speaker 22: More than one point two billion dollars every single year
• 33:56
  Speaker 22: from the taxpayer and Australians rightly expect the very high
• 34:00
  Speaker 22: standards from the ABC. And yesterday we saw news presenters
• 34:05
  Speaker 22: on various programs hijacking the ABC with their union led messaging,
• 34:11
  Speaker 22: which was really disgraceful. Now I don't have an issue
• 34:15
  Speaker 22: with ABC journals prosecuting their case. They're obviously in a
• 34:19
  Speaker 22: dispute with ABC management. I was very disappointed to see
• 34:22
  Speaker 22: the decision they made to go on strike, but it
• 34:25
  Speaker 22: is so improper for them to be using ABC airwaves
• 34:30
  Speaker 22: to prosecute their case, and I would say even to
• 34:33
  Speaker 22: spread misleading and even false information about the nature of
• 34:37
  Speaker 22: the pay dispute. Given a ten percent increase is on
• 34:41
  Speaker 22: the table plus a bonus, and so I think the
• 34:45
  Speaker 22: whole saga just shows again that the Albanesi government is
• 34:50
  Speaker 22: failing all Australians by not holding the ABC to the
• 34:53
  Speaker 22: highest standards.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Look, you were so spot on. I mean, they have
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: a right to strike.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: We might disagree with it, but they have a right
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: to strike, and certainly if they have industrial action, they
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: got the right to call a press conference and try
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: and tell other media about it. But what they don't
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: have a right to do is to use our public
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: broadcaster for their own campaigning.
• 35:13
  Speaker 13: Have a look at this, Like many of our viewers,
• 35:17
  Speaker 13: a lot of ABC staff as struggling to keep up
• 35:19
  Speaker 13: with the rising cost of living and we're asking for
• 35:22
  Speaker 13: a pay rise that will help keep our heads above water.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: Unbelievable, unbelievable that they would do that, and we'll see
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: where all that ends up. I noticed the managing director,
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: Hugh Marx, was just calling for more government funding. That
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: was his solution, not looking for efficiencies at the ABC,
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: just getting.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Even more government funding.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: I've got to get your thoughts while we're here on
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: another topic, and can I go.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: On so.
• 35:48
  Speaker 8: Devin on that.
• 35:51
  Speaker 22: I do think that mister Marx has taken a pretty
• 35:54
  Speaker 22: strong stand, and he also extended the definition of emergency broadcasting,
• 36:00
  Speaker 22: so that is of course exempt from the strike. But
• 36:03
  Speaker 22: his view was that if there was a very major incident,
• 36:06
  Speaker 22: either internationally or in Australia, that would require ABC journalists
• 36:11
  Speaker 22: to be called back to work. So I think he's
• 36:13
  Speaker 22: been pretty tough and so I will back him in
• 36:18
  Speaker 22: on this occasion, and I hope that toughness continues in
• 36:21
  Speaker 22: all respects, including complying with the ABC's charter.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Well, good on you. You back him in. I reckon
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: he was weak.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: I reckon he sounds like he's running a staff collective
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: and he wants.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: To try and keep him all on side. We'll see
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: how he goes.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: I got to get your thoughts on this US case
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: where metsa YouTube have been found liable for a woman's
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: social media addiction. What are the implications for a social
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: media and the legal framework in this country.
• 36:52
  Speaker 22: Well, Chris, there have been a couple of cases now
• 36:54
  Speaker 22: in the United States which have found that these platforms
• 36:58
  Speaker 22: are delivering to children addictive technology which is causing enormous harm.
• 37:04
  Speaker 22: And we of course are very concerned about the online
• 37:09
  Speaker 22: harm for children in this country. And labor solution is
• 37:13
  Speaker 22: the social media ban. We certainly did propose that initially,
• 37:17
  Speaker 22: but I'm very concerned about how it's been rolled out.
• 37:21
  Speaker 22: That was meant to be properly enforced, was meant to
• 37:24
  Speaker 22: give parents peace of mind, but there are so many
• 37:26
  Speaker 22: gaps in the legislation and we don't even know how
• 37:30
  Speaker 22: many accounts have been shut down. The Prime Minister made
• 37:33
  Speaker 22: an announcement in January it was four point seven million accounts,
• 37:38
  Speaker 22: but the platforms are saying something very different.
• 37:41
  Speaker 8: But this is a real wake up course.
• 37:43
  Speaker 22: I would say to the Minister and to the Prime Minister,
• 37:47
  Speaker 22: what is the government going to do to protect young
• 37:51
  Speaker 22: Australians online Because a number of platforms are excluded from
• 37:55
  Speaker 22: the ban, but more broadly, the safety of the content
• 38:00
  Speaker 22: is not being addressed. Because we know that many young
• 38:03
  Speaker 22: Australians are circumventing the ban.
• 38:06
  Speaker 8: There are many loopholes.
• 38:07
  Speaker 22: Age verification is not working, and so I think this
• 38:11
  Speaker 22: really does give rise to a real wake up call
• 38:15
  Speaker 22: for the government. They must do much more.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of talk, a lot of evidence that
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: that band is not working. A lot most people support
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: the aims, but it doesn't seem to be working. We'll
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: follow up on that with some more guests next week.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: Thanks so much for joining us, Sarah. I appreciate it,
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: Sarah Henderson. They're live in Canberra. Let's go to Victoria
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: and catch up with Mark Robinson for our hit on
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: sport footy writer and sports nut and broadcast Mark Robinson.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again, mate.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: The same old talk about the AFL Grand Final being
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: shifted from the afternoon to nighttime, A a bit of
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: passion around it this year, with a suggestion that Kylie
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: Minogue you might wander in from suburban Melbourne and headline
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: the show as the sun sets.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: What do you reckon?
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: Surely the temptation of a bigger television audience will hold
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: sway eventually.
• 39:05
  Speaker 23: Well, we're going to change a government at AFL headquarters,
• 39:08
  Speaker 23: you know that. And when the new government comes in,
• 39:10
  Speaker 23: they come in with their new plans. They're probably going
• 39:13
  Speaker 23: to run a twilight Grand Final against the wishes of
• 39:16
  Speaker 23: about eighty five percent of the fans. But the cynical
• 39:20
  Speaker 23: in me saying, when they listen to the fans, so
• 39:23
  Speaker 23: can I get Kyli? Well it'll be great, but I'm
• 39:26
  Speaker 23: not there for the entertainment, mate, I'm the wrong person
• 39:29
  Speaker 23: to talk about who's.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: Playing at halftime?
• 39:32
  Speaker 23: Mate, You're play I knew about one sentence of about
• 39:37
  Speaker 23: four or five songs he name.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: You're the same as me, mate.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: I think all I want to see is the mini
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: league before the game, and I want to get a
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: beer and a pie at halftime. I hate all the
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: Grand Final entertainment. I love it when they sing up
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: there Kazi and that's about it.
• 39:53
  Speaker 23: Yeah, I mean, I know there has been some good ones.
• 39:55
  Speaker 6: Lionel Richie had the whole crowd singing.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: And Robbie Williams was fine.
• 39:59
  Speaker 23: But the point is, are they going to move to
• 40:02
  Speaker 23: the Grand Final from the traditional too thirty or ran
• 40:05
  Speaker 23: about two thirty A to a I twilight Grand Final?
• 40:10
  Speaker 23: And jeez, the jungle drums are burning that changes. Change
• 40:15
  Speaker 23: is coming. But as I said, the fans don't want it.
• 40:18
  Speaker 23: It's a and I know I don't want it. I
• 40:20
  Speaker 23: don't know about you, Chase. You like your footy, but
• 40:23
  Speaker 23: sort of locked into the Grand Final breakfasts and lunches
• 40:26
  Speaker 23: and stuff that lead into the game. And it's a
• 40:29
  Speaker 23: full day and interesting to see what Greg Swan and
• 40:34
  Speaker 23: the new team and do.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I like it where it is, but I'm a
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: bit lucky. I'm a bit of a footy traditionalist. I
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: want to show you something funny from the game last
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: Friday night.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: I was there. I saw this happen in real time,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: and I was pleased to see later that it was
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: picked up on the broadcast.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: Ben Keyes adelaide desperate to hold on to a lead,
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: wanting to give their defenders time to get back. The
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: ball goes out of bounds and ben Keyes enlisted the
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: crowd for a bit of support.
• 41:00
  Speaker 22: Ever, look, Michelle's been big in this last quarter.
• 41:05
  Speaker 6: Dawson big in.
• 41:05
  Speaker 10: The last quarter.
• 41:09
  Speaker 18: Ben Key's turned the kind of crown to hold onto
• 41:11
  Speaker 18: the ball.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: There's what we was talking about.
• 41:17
  Speaker 21: Smart, he's a.
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: Character of ben Keys.
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, very funny bit of games have been shipped there.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: But the AFL issued a warning Robbo.
• 41:27
  Speaker 23: Yeah, well then the problem is now it's been highlight on. Yeah,
• 41:32
  Speaker 23: all the fans are going to do it now. Only
• 41:34
  Speaker 23: the smart ones were doing it in the part holding
• 41:37
  Speaker 23: onto it. Now, when the ball goes over the fence
• 41:39
  Speaker 23: and their team hasn't got the pill, they're going to
• 41:42
  Speaker 23: hold it up.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Are we going to send.
• 41:44
  Speaker 23: An epidemic of crowd holding the ball?
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: When it goes out of the fence.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: Now you'll never getting back, Eddie Maguire said today. Admitted
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: today that he'd once asked the Collingwood cheer squad to
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: make sure that they were slow throwing the footy back. Hey,
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: just before I let you go, I want to talk
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: about the Super Bowl. It's coming to the MCG and
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: the Super Bowl Trophy is in Sydney now. It's going
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: out to the NRL game at brook Vale Oval tonight.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: A lot of hype about this.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: I'm told two hundred thousand people have registered for tickets.
• 42:13
  Speaker 23: Oh, it's a very popular sport. Yeah, the Long Bardy
• 42:17
  Speaker 23: Travis one of the most famous sporting trophies in the world.
• 42:20
  Speaker 23: A lot of people who don't find an NFL will.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: Find that pint.
• 42:23
  Speaker 23: I find that strange to say, but it's a very
• 42:26
  Speaker 23: very famous trophy. And America has been creative. I mean
• 42:31
  Speaker 23: America is spreading their major competition around the world and
• 42:35
  Speaker 23: coming to the MCG.
• 42:37
  Speaker 6: Now it's going to be.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Played in final time in Melbourne.
• 42:41
  Speaker 23: So the AFL will be hoping that, you know, maybe
• 42:43
  Speaker 23: some interstate teams will be there.
• 42:45
  Speaker 6: And the games can be on the road.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: But it'll get to sell out.
• 42:49
  Speaker 23: It'll be absolute sellout.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: The mcg I mean I like it.
• 42:52
  Speaker 6: I mean mcg is going to like it.
• 42:55
  Speaker 23: They're going to rip down the Shane Warn stand soon
• 42:57
  Speaker 23: and build a new one.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: So in every cent Yeah, it'll be great.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: I went to an NFL game in the New Yorker
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: last year. My boys are into it and it's a
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: bit complex, it takes a bit of time, but it's
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: a fascinating sport. Thanks for joining us, Robo. We'll catch
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: up with you next week. We're going to rush off
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: to a break on the other side of a will
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: wrap up the week with Tim Blair and Mark Nicholson.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: We'll check in on the first lady. She caught up
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: with a robot in the White House. Well, Albo is
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: going to have another National cabin on Monday. Let's have
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: one here on a Thursday night, as we bring in
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: Mark Nicholson and Tim Blair to wrap up the week.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Gentlemen, good to speak to you. Tim.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: We got Chris bow and telling everyone there's no problem.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: We've got more fuel than we've ever had.
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: But Albo says there is a crisis and you've got
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: to blame the Middle East war.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Don't blame it all on me. Which one of them
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: is right?
• 43:53
  Speaker 24: Which one is wrong? It's probably the Also it's wrong
• 43:56
  Speaker 24: in degrees? Which one is more wrong? Which is a
• 43:59
  Speaker 24: quick and you often ask about this government. I love
• 44:02
  Speaker 24: the fact that they're now having meetings about fuel and
• 44:05
  Speaker 24: energy and some on. And it should have perhaps been
• 44:07
  Speaker 24: two three decades ago when we knew we went that
• 44:10
  Speaker 24: it is totally everyone put their head up and said,
• 44:13
  Speaker 24: let's destroy our local energy industries. And what harm can
• 44:18
  Speaker 24: come of shutting down oil and gas and coal in
• 44:21
  Speaker 24: this nation?
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: What harm at all?
• 44:22
  Speaker 24: That the Middle East is notoriously stable. Everything's going to
• 44:26
  Speaker 24: keep on flowing.
• 44:26
  Speaker 6: Where couldn't go?
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Boys air it all down Middle East.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: It's a byword for political stability. It's incredible stuff. But Mark,
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: I just can't understand how Albo and Bowen could get
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: their angle on this so so different. You know, you
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: think that'd be in sync on whether there's a crisis
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: or not.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: This is part of the tactic, mate, This was all
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: This is all the meetings were about.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: Don't you understand? This is what they're getting in there.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: This was taking them so long.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: This is their tactic because you know that the crisis
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: that they're talking about in these meetings, isn't isn't about
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: the fuel crisis. It's about their political lives. That's the
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: real crisis, and that's what they're worried about. They're worried
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: about tip and fuel on the one nation fire. How
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: do they come out? So they just decide, we're just
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: going to have polar opposite views. See what happens. Confuse
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: the electric see what happens. Just keep going, just keep scattering.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: That's what it's all about. It's crazy.
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, just to Tim's point about out the idiocy of
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: what we've done to ourselves.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: I just checked today.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: We still export about one hundred and twenty million barrels
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: of oil from this country.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: We don't process it here.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: We truck it to ports or take it from the
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: northwest shore, and we send it overseas for them to refine.
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: Would be kind of handy if we used our own
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: oil and refined that here at a time like this.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: But let's go to the US where we're they're a.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: Little bit more upfront about using their own resources. And
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: they've taken some petroleum products like plastics and combine them
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: with some electrical bits and pieces that they've come up
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: with someone to keep.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: The First Lady company. Have a look at this.
• 45:58
  Speaker 13: Ah, thank you First Lady Milania Trump for inviting me
• 46:03
  Speaker 13: to the White House.
• 46:04
  Speaker 8: It isn't an honor to.
• 46:05
  Speaker 16: Be at fostering the future together as global coalition inaugural meeting.
• 46:09
  Speaker 11: I'm figure three a humanoids built from the United States
• 46:12
  Speaker 11: of America.
• 46:13
  Speaker 8: I am grateful to be part of this historic movement
• 46:15
  Speaker 8: to empower children with technology and education. Welcome.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're here from a robot in the White House.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: Tim it mon't be longer before one of them wins
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: in an election.
• 46:27
  Speaker 24: I suppose, well, at least that robot. Even if that
• 46:31
  Speaker 24: robot glitches out entirely, even if it falls absolutely silent
• 46:35
  Speaker 24: and the court is the power cords are pulled out,
• 46:37
  Speaker 24: it'll still be better than Joe Biden.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: So look it.
• 46:40
  Speaker 24: It can walk, It's probably capable of climbing stairs.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: Just to clarify that, there's the robot on the left right.
• 46:48
  Speaker 24: That's right, Yes and no, I think that one shoo.
• 46:51
  Speaker 24: I think it said. It's now a front runner for
• 46:52
  Speaker 24: the Dems in twenty twenty eight. They should embrace the
• 46:54
  Speaker 24: robot and as run with it to coin.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Of RaSE its battery certainly runs.
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: Longer than Joe Biden's Martin.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: To be honest, I actually think if you put a
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: skin on it, that would be Joe Biden. I think
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: that might be. And it explains a lot, to be honest,
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: That's why he kept malfunctioning and falling apart. It was
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: just the first couple of versions, the first iterations just
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: I think it was just the batteries gone flat. That's
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: the auto pen three thousand, that's the Joey.
• 47:23
  Speaker 10: I love it.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: Hunter has been playing around and he's sprooceed it up
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: a little bit.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: While we're talking about American celebrities that we know, there's
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: a couple of well, an American and British celebrity couple
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: that's heading our way and some way acts. They have
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: started up this petition saying we don't want you here.
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: But the petition demands that no taxpayer funding or official
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: support is provided for Harry and Megan's private visit to Australia.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Tim, do you back this one?
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: You don't want your taxes used on this junket?
• 47:58
  Speaker 24: Absolutely. That's because these two want everything. They want all
• 48:02
  Speaker 24: the perks that come with being royal, I e. You know,
• 48:05
  Speaker 24: other people picking up all the bills, but they also
• 48:08
  Speaker 24: want to be treated like just ordinary folk. And no,
• 48:10
  Speaker 24: don't don't spire he don't leave us alone paparazzi. You know,
• 48:14
  Speaker 24: we're just ordinary people who want our privacy while we're
• 48:16
  Speaker 24: jetting around the world and other people are picking up
• 48:18
  Speaker 24: the tab. No, if they want to be private citizens,
• 48:21
  Speaker 24: let them come here and live in wil CanYa. You know,
• 48:23
  Speaker 24: like there's a whole there's a lot of options besides
• 48:26
  Speaker 24: besides having other people pay for them the same five
• 48:28
  Speaker 24: star accommodation.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: I'd love to see them.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: I'd like to see their reality TV show of them
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: spending six months in will Kenya.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: I think it was South Park.
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: Wasn't that Mark who did the whole series on the
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: Meghan and Harry's Global Privacy Tour.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Worldwide Privacy Tour, and they're doing it again.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: They've got a brand new PR agency and this is
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: actually part of it. One hundred percent. I actually completely
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: disagree Fellas. I think we should be spending taxpayer money
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: on this. I think we should be getting shut down
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: a couple of these ends in broad Meadows, those games
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: down there. Use that money, bring him on, bring him
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: into broad meadows, take them to La Camber, put them
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: in wherever, let's go alice springs from it. There gimmature
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: Penny Plaza. That way, we own them, we can control them.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: It's just so the entertainment value of two people who
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: are so unlikable desperate to be liked.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: It would be awesome.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: Anyway, Mount drewitt Elizabeth close down.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: The ABC used them as our national broadcast, so that'd
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: be perfect for us. Thanks for joining us, gentlemen, have
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: a great weekend, and thank you for watching the program
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: all of this week. Peter Credlin's coming up next and
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: I'll see you next week.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: Cheers,