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Where will Love go, Dontayvion Wicks or AJ Brown in Philly, Mailbag · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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  Speaker 1: The volume. What is going on my people? John Middlecoff,
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  Speaker 1: that'd be me three now podcast. Hopefully everyone is doing well.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the thing, the draft is right around the corner.
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  Speaker 1: Today we're gonna talk a little draft. Jeremiah Love, Joe
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  Speaker 1: Shane had some comments about his ability. Howie Roseman gave
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  Speaker 1: a press conference talking about evaluations when it comes to
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  Speaker 1: two new coaches and new schemes entering the building. And uh,
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  Speaker 1: we'll do a bunch of other draft talk on the
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  Speaker 1: mail bag as well at John Middlecoff is the Instagram.
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  Speaker 1: Fire in those dms and get your questions answered here
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  Speaker 1: on the show. We're close. This draft can't get here
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  Speaker 1: soon enough. So you guys know the drill. If you
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  Speaker 1: I was actually showing my wife what I said about
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  Speaker 1: Jack and his explosions at the Eastern Party. Just like John,
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  Speaker 1: it was it was Greek Easter. You know, her side
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  Speaker 1: of the family is very Greek, so it was Greek Easter.
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  Speaker 1: So that's what we were celebrating, and that's what Jack
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  Speaker 1: celebrated when he went to the bathroom all over the floor.
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  Speaker 1: But you can see me talking about that on Netflix,
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  Speaker 1: so I appreciate everyone watching that. And let's just uh,
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  Speaker 1: let's just dive right in some football. Let's just start
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  Speaker 1: with some draft talk because some of these general managers
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  Speaker 1: have been talking today. Joe Shane, who and Colin were
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  Speaker 1: talking last week, you know, kind of like a glorified,
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  Speaker 1: highly paid scout. Right, you know, John Harbaugh is the boss.
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  Speaker 1: He did no longer answers to the general manager, which
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  Speaker 1: was never the case in New York, right the head coach.
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  Speaker 1: There was always a hierarchy that changed the night John
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  Speaker 1: Morris slept on it and realized the only way he
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  Speaker 1: was gonna get John to sign on the dotted lawn
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  Speaker 1: was to give him what he wanted. Why, because John
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  Speaker 1: had leverage, the Titans would have hired him. And he
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  Speaker 1: gave him five years, one hundred million dollars and he
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  Speaker 1: reports directly to that. So good gig if you can
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  Speaker 1: get it. That's what eighteen years of success. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I think not all of them were successful, but I
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  Speaker 1: think they made the playoffs twelve of the eighteen years. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: he won the Super Bowl and he has a powerful
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  Speaker 1: last name, Harrball so changed the game. But that being said,
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  Speaker 1: Joe Shane went out there and took questions. Joe's good
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  Speaker 1: looking guy, good with the media, records, a little hit
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  Speaker 1: or miss, but he's trying. I this is always a
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  Speaker 1: time of year or two where any of these guys
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  Speaker 1: in some of these weird situations, like you just never
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  Speaker 1: know after the draft, coaches lose their gig after the season,
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  Speaker 1: right if you're gonna get fired. They called it black Monday,
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  Speaker 1: but we saw last year Tuesday, Wednesday. I think Hardball
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  Speaker 1: was Tuesday. Mike McDaniel was Wednesday or third day. It's
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  Speaker 1: really just the week. Anything could happen. And did Tomlin
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  Speaker 1: resigned that couple of days later? Maybe Monday as well.
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  Speaker 1: I kind of forget kind of runs together. But I
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  Speaker 1: you know, this league when it comes to personnel people,
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  Speaker 1: when your boy lost his gig, I found out, even
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  Speaker 1: though I kind of knew at the combine, shit started
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  Speaker 1: getting weird. I you know, you find out the day
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  Speaker 1: or two after your contract's not being renewed or if
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  Speaker 1: you have years remaining, you're gonna get fired. And that's
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  Speaker 1: just scouting personnel. Obviously, the general manager would be relieved
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  Speaker 1: of his duties by by ownership. Uh not not the
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  Speaker 1: little ground troops there. They could just be told by
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  Speaker 1: like a middle manager, Hey, you just pack up your shit,
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  Speaker 1: you're gone. But Joe Shane today had some interesting comments
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  Speaker 1: on Jeremiah Love, and I think if Jeremiah Love, the
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  Speaker 1: number one offensive you know, non quarterback in this draft,
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  Speaker 1: was a wide receiver, like the equivalent of Jamar Chase,
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  Speaker 1: of a Julio Jones of just like viewed as like
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  Speaker 1: an Calvin Johnson, just viewed as like an elite prospect.
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  Speaker 1: No one would even question that guy going in the
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  Speaker 1: top five. Yeah, you get a running back, especially in
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  Speaker 1: this day and age where all these guys catch the
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  Speaker 1: ball too. It's like, well, he can run inside, he
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  Speaker 1: can run outside, he can catch the ball, and he
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  Speaker 1: can pass protect. Oh yeah, and he's a great guy.
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  Speaker 1: Like it's kind of crazy that it got to the
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  Speaker 1: point where it's like, ah, those guys aren't as valuable
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  Speaker 1: and they're kind of cheap, right if you do hit
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  Speaker 1: on them and they become a star and they're on
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  Speaker 1: your team eight to ten years, they don't cost nearly
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  Speaker 1: as much as wide receivers. But we've clearly shifted back,
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  Speaker 1: and I think everyone agrees universally that this guy is
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  Speaker 1: probably gonna go to the Titans. Most people I know
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  Speaker 1: in the NFL believe he's gonna go to the Titans.
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  Speaker 1: Then my spider senses went off when Joe Shane said
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  Speaker 1: he's an offensive weapon because he can do it all.
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  Speaker 1: When you're an offensive weapon, that means you're Jamier Gibbs,
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  Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey, b Jon Robinson, Saquon Barkley. You are a
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  Speaker 1: guy that I can lean on to carry my offense.
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  Speaker 1: And I was thinking, like could the Giants because I
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  Speaker 1: was in the car the other day was Oh, we
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  Speaker 1: were going to the pediatrician, and I was listening to
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  Speaker 1: Albert Breer talked to Colin and he said the Cardinals
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  Speaker 1: would love to trade back. I think I saw rap
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  Speaker 1: sheets say that as well. Now listen, when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to the Cardinals, it's kind of sad. I just drove
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  Speaker 1: by their new the kind of area they bought where
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  Speaker 1: they're gonna put their new facility, and it just feels like, God,
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  Speaker 1: they couldn't be any more relevant. And Monte Austin Forth,
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  Speaker 1: the general manager, feels like he's kind of GMing for
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  Speaker 1: his job. I mean, the team feels like it has
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  Speaker 1: little to no direction, they have no quarterback play. They
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  Speaker 1: just need more and more good players. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: one draft is not gonna save them, especially if Marvin
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  Speaker 1: Harrison turns out to just be okay and their quarterback
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  Speaker 1: plays a disaster. I mean, they got drafted in the
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  Speaker 1: top five written all over them again, but clearly they
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  Speaker 1: would like to trade back, and how many teams want
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  Speaker 1: to trade up. It's like theft. Could the Giants go
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  Speaker 1: from five to three just to get what they would
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  Speaker 1: say is their number one player in the draft. And
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  Speaker 1: then I looked and I went, well, Dart, Tracy Singletary,
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  Speaker 1: and Scataboo did combine for like two thousand yards and
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  Speaker 1: twenty plus touchdowns. Now, ideally, I don't think they want
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  Speaker 1: Dart running as much as he did, and Skataboo in
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  Speaker 1: a perfect world, doesn't shatter his leg and is able
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  Speaker 1: to play. You know, Singletary is a good kind of
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  Speaker 1: short yardage. I think he had nine touchdowns last year.
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  Speaker 1: Tracy's kind of a dynamic player. I think they end
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  Speaker 1: up taking just sticking and picking and taking Sonny Styles
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  Speaker 1: at five. That would be my guess, and the Titans
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  Speaker 1: end up with Jeremiah love and the number one thing
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  Speaker 1: I was thinking of a lot about this, you know,
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  Speaker 1: quarterbacks so much as out of there. I mean, everything's
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  Speaker 1: out of their control, right, the scheme that they play in,
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  Speaker 1: who's their head coach, who's their play caller, who are
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  Speaker 1: their teammates, how good their defense is, and most of
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  Speaker 1: the time, when you're drafted really high, you're going to
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  Speaker 1: a god awful team that doesn't have that much help.
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  Speaker 1: We got to give the Titans credit this offseason, they
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  Speaker 1: got a defensive leader. So in theory, the Titans defense
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  Speaker 1: should be dramatically better moving forward, as we saw last
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  Speaker 1: year with Sala with the forty nine ers, and we
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  Speaker 1: saw Sala with the Jets, and then when he got fired,
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  Speaker 1: we saw what happened to their defense. So one thing
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  Speaker 1: you know about Robert Sala, players like him and he
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  Speaker 1: knows defense. And then they got you know, I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to say out of nowhere, but when the cycle started,
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  Speaker 1: I would not have guessed that Brian day Ball would
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  Speaker 1: one end up as an offensive coordinator because, to one,
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  Speaker 1: I thought, if he doesn't get a head coaching job
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  Speaker 1: in the NFL, it kind of made a lot of
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  Speaker 1: sense with Penn State, you know, he'd been at Alabama.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe he wasn't that interested, Maybe they just wanted Matt
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  Speaker 1: Campbell more. But I would have thought that he would
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  Speaker 1: have got a head coaching job college or pro. And
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  Speaker 1: they got him as their offensive coordinator, which we saw
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  Speaker 1: him before he got to the Giants. Him and Josh
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  Speaker 1: were kicking ass and taking names, and it's well established
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  Speaker 1: how much he liked cam Ward. Say this for day Ball,
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  Speaker 1: they have been on the right quarterbacks right. A couple
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  Speaker 1: of years ago they desperately tried to trade up for
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  Speaker 1: Drake May. Part of that. The Hard Knocks version of
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  Speaker 1: their offseason was Joe Shane taking Elliot Wolf like, anytime
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  Speaker 1: you guys are thinking about doing anything, we want to
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  Speaker 1: be your first call. They love Drake May, so they
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  Speaker 1: were on the right guy last year, moving up to
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  Speaker 1: get Jackson Dart, who day Ball liked, like Wolf, see
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  Speaker 1: if he can sustain a good career. But there is
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  Speaker 1: no disputing if you watch Jackson Dart like he has
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  Speaker 1: all the attributes to be a solid, really good starter
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  Speaker 1: in the NFL, and you get him to kind of
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  Speaker 1: run your offense, but you have to put people around
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  Speaker 1: him in the best way. You know. Ideally you would
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  Speaker 1: get like Jonathan Ogden or Trent Williams right to protect
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  Speaker 1: the guy. But if that's not an option to get
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  Speaker 1: a guy that you can hand the ball to or
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  Speaker 1: that just can touch the ball twenty five. If you
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  Speaker 1: have sixty or seventy plays in a game and that
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  Speaker 1: player is involved in twenty five plus of those plays,
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  Speaker 1: that's you know, you're talking forty to fifty percent of
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  Speaker 1: the snaps. Jeremiah Love is impacting, and really more than that,
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  Speaker 1: because you have to account for play action, You have
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  Speaker 1: to account for defense going to him when he's in
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  Speaker 1: the flat as a pass catcher. And I was also
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  Speaker 1: thinking about this. I would say two of the most
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  Speaker 1: famous and iconic players in my lifetime that have played
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  Speaker 1: in Nashville, Tennessee have been Eddie George and obviously Derrick Henry.
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  Speaker 1: They're kind of one of those unique organizations that like
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  Speaker 1: kind of running back first. You know, when they've had success,
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  Speaker 1: the running back has kind of been I'm the star
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  Speaker 1: of the offense. Now. Obviously Steve McNair in the early
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  Speaker 1: two thousands with Eddie was an equal to him, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, want to split an MVP with Peyton Manning.
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  Speaker 1: He was a stud if you watch that, I think
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  Speaker 1: it was on Netflix, the doc and they're showing some
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  Speaker 1: of the highlights. I mean, he was just he was
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  Speaker 1: a badass. You talk about pre nil I'll promise you this,
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  Speaker 1: where do you go Al Corn State. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if Al Gordon State is keeping Steve McNair in the
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  Speaker 1: nil era, just just a hunch, just the guests might
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  Speaker 1: lose him to the SEC. But Steve could play. Eddie
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  Speaker 1: could play. And here's the other thing with Eddie and
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  Speaker 1: Derrick Henry, big backs like you see Eddie now, who
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  Speaker 1: I think is coaching HBCU. Eddie's a massive dude. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Derrick Henry feels like the biggest fucking running back in
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  Speaker 1: like the history of the league. I mean I went
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  Speaker 1: to a Titans practice Vrabel's first year when Matt Lafleur
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  Speaker 1: was his offensive coordinator, and I remember they had Dion
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  Speaker 1: Lewis and they had Derrick Henry and I was there
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  Speaker 1: for a bachelor party. But I went a week early
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  Speaker 1: and interview John Robinson. This is early days of three
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  Speaker 1: and out and I just remember Titans. This is exactly
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  Speaker 1: the Yankees. I mean, they were like three or four
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  Speaker 1: media members there. You can walk wherever. It was pretty cool,
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  Speaker 1: and I just remember standing pretty close to Derrick Henry
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  Speaker 1: thinking I've been around a lot of NFL players. That
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  Speaker 1: guy looks like a defense That guy looks like a
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  Speaker 1: defensive tackle. And you get Jeremiah Love who's not quite
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  Speaker 1: that big, but in terms of dynamic ability, speed explosion.
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  Speaker 1: The other thing I love, and this is what you
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  Speaker 1: want to feel really good about, is the person. And
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  Speaker 1: that's part of the thing. What you get with b
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  Speaker 1: John Robinson or Saquon Barkley or Christian McCaffrey is like
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  Speaker 1: they are elite football character guys and if you're getting
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  Speaker 1: in the business with them, I think this is a
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  Speaker 1: pretty easy selection for the Tennessee Titans. I think the
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  Speaker 1: only way he doesn't end up on their team if
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  Speaker 1: someone trades with the Cardinals to draft this player, and
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  Speaker 1: I think it would be he. You know, historically, more
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  Speaker 1: like the possibilities would be higher if this guy was
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  Speaker 1: Julio Jones or Jamar Chase or you know, Calvin one
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  Speaker 1: of those type players, right, because if Calvin Johnson was
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  Speaker 1: in this draft, you know, the Cardinals probably wouldn't take him,
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  Speaker 1: but they could probably trade out of three and then
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  Speaker 1: if the Titans wanted that guy, would they be willing
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  Speaker 1: to give up? And it's like, do we really want
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  Speaker 1: are we in a position to go from four to
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  Speaker 1: three in trade? One year the forty nine ers did it.
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  Speaker 1: They traded back with the Bears. I think they were
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  Speaker 1: at two and the Bears were at three, and they
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  Speaker 1: just flip floped spots because the Bears took Mitchell Trubisky.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously they regretted that one. I think the forty nine ers,
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  Speaker 1: if memory serves me, correct, got like a third and
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  Speaker 1: a fourth rand pick to literally move back one spot
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  Speaker 1: from a guy that they would not have selected. So
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  Speaker 1: I think if if Monty Austin Ford as good at
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  Speaker 1: his job, he starts kind of working the channels right
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  Speaker 1: now and saying, hey, we're getting some action. People are interested,
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  Speaker 1: and obviously they were interested. It could be the pass
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  Speaker 1: rusher or Jeremiah Love, who I just think has a
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  Speaker 1: chance to be, you know, one of the best players
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  Speaker 1: in the league, because we saw by the end of
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  Speaker 1: the season, like Bijon is clearly one of the best
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  Speaker 1: players in the league. Last year, Saquon Barkley or you know,
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  Speaker 1: the year the Eagles won the Super Bowl was the
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  Speaker 1: best player in the league. I'm not talking I'm just saying, like,
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  Speaker 1: pound for pound, the best player you know non quarterback,
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  Speaker 1: I think a couple of years ago that was Christian McCaffrey.
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  Speaker 1: So we have part of doing the draft process is
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  Speaker 1: running studies, right what is working in the league, what's
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  Speaker 1: working for specific teams that are successful, what is working
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  Speaker 1: for teams that are not successful? And we did that
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  Speaker 1: and I saw We'll talk about Howie here in a second.
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  Speaker 1: The Eagles do that constantly. Any team worth their salt
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  Speaker 1: is constantly running studies. Now it sounds a little crazier
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  Speaker 1: than it is. It's we're just talking football here, but
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  Speaker 1: trends and what's working and clearly, dynamic, dominant running backs
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  Speaker 1: are working right now in the NFL, and they make
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  Speaker 1: it way easier on your young quarterback. Someone asked me yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: would you take Fernando Mendoza or cam Ward for me?
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  Speaker 1: And you know, because if I ran a team, I
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  Speaker 1: would be running the Shanahan Kubiak offense. Fernando makes more
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  Speaker 1: sense than that offense. But like if I was with
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  Speaker 1: Andy Reid, he would like cam Ward a lot because
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  Speaker 1: he likes the freelance element to his game. And I
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  Speaker 1: think the easiest way to get a guy like that
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  Speaker 1: under control a little bit and make it easier on
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  Speaker 1: him is to get a dynamic running back where he
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  Speaker 1: just just call runs inside, outside zone, power, whatever you want, screens,
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  Speaker 1: just easy lay up plays that you don't have to
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  Speaker 1: do that much, because every time I would peek at
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  Speaker 1: a Titans game, obviously they were Troses last year, it
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  Speaker 1: was like the guy was just running around for his
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  Speaker 1: life trying to make plays. That's sustainable way to win
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  Speaker 1: when your talent's not there, right, josh Allen, Lamar Jackson,
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  Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes can do that. They have good talent around
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  Speaker 1: them and there they've you know, mastered the position right
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  Speaker 1: when you're young and you're just trying to figure things out.
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  Speaker 1: The I would argue this for any person in any industry.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the easier on ramp for you to have
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  Speaker 1: success is people around you helping you out. And most
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  Speaker 1: young quarterbacks go to teams where there's not much help.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of you figure it out, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: you got to be pretty mentally tough. It can break you.
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  Speaker 1: So my guest, as we sit here right now, if
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  Speaker 1: Jeremiah Love is there at four the Titans select them,
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  Speaker 1: and it'll be as important of a pick and individual
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  Speaker 1: they've had on their team since the other two running backs.
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  Speaker 1: I think he can have that type impact like Eddie
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  Speaker 1: George in the late nineties early two thousands, going to
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  Speaker 1: war with some of those you know, Gruden Raider and
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  Speaker 1: ray Lewis Ravens teams, and obviously this excess Derrick Henry had,
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  Speaker 1: you know, for Vrabel and you know behind Tanny Hill
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  Speaker 1: in those offenses for years when he kind of became
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  Speaker 1: a superstar. You know. Howie Roseman gave a press conference today.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously he's asked about A. J. Brown, and he doesn't
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  Speaker 1: give any information on that. Who knows how that's your
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  Speaker 1: guess is as good as mine. Like I assume he's
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  Speaker 1: gonna get traded, but these situations are complicated. There are
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  Speaker 1: cap implications. They clearly just do not want to give
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  Speaker 1: him away for nothing, Like I have a hard time
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  Speaker 1: thinking it's like, yeah, they just gave him away for
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  Speaker 1: like a conditional third Like I don't know, And that's
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  Speaker 1: why I think he's still on the team. I think
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  Speaker 1: it's been a complicated negotiation. But this is a franchise,
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  Speaker 1: especially under Howie They've had a lot of different coaches, right,
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  Speaker 1: He's won super Bowls with multiple coaches. Obviously, Sirianni has
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  Speaker 1: gone through a ton of different offensive coaches. And I
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  Speaker 1: think the best organizations that our general manager run transcends
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  Speaker 1: scheme because they have a clear set set of parameters
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  Speaker 1: in which they look for in guys. And he was
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  Speaker 1: asked specifically about offensive lineman, but I would imagine this
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  Speaker 1: speaks to most of the positions on their team that
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  Speaker 1: he essentially said, because obviously they have their However, many
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  Speaker 1: new coordinators in as many years, I mean basically Shane
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  Speaker 1: Stichin was there too, and ever since, they've had a
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  Speaker 1: new coordinator and a lot of new staff members every
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  Speaker 1: single year. And this year they totally rehauled the group
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  Speaker 1: and they lost long time I mean fired, resigned, however
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  Speaker 1: you want to, you know, describe it probably wasn't wanted back.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Even though I just saw Lane Johnson got married at
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: the Four Seasons in Nashville and Jeff Stotlin was there.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: I party looked pretty fun. Everyone's wearing like cowboy outfits,
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: cowboy cowboy hats. Of course I saw Dom was there
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: in a red jumpsuit looking good, but how he said
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: that we have a system that for evaluating players and
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: specifically offensive linemen that transcends scheme. And this is where
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: when you can lean on an elite general manager, it
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: is much easier to figure it out through the turnover
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: than a lot of teams just naturally have because if
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: you're really good, you're losing coaches to other opportunities. McVeigh,
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Kyle Seattle, right, And if Howie I mean that Shane
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: Stiken become a head coach, Kellen Moore become a head coach,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: or if you have issues and you need to make
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: a change, same thing. And the best general managers don't
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: let assistant coaches dictate their draft picks. Like listen Kyle
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Shanahan is. I think he's a very special coach, but
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: like that organization is very when it comes to draft time.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Their coaches have a lot of juice. They just do.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, oh, coaching staff ever had more juice in
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: recent memory than the Gruden Raiders. Like if John Grud's
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: assistant wanted something and he was on board, they did
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: it. It didn't matter what the scouts think. And one thing
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: I think the different view of the front office and
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: the coaching staff is simply short term and long term,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: and I think sometimes for coaches it can be difficult
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: to watch a player and separate the plays that are
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: being called his job and what his physical attributes are
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: and if and then meeting with the guy, can this
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: guy transcend and figure out what we need him to
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: do even though he did not do that in college?
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Because a lot of times you're watching a guy that
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: is doing something in college, whatever position he's playing, that
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: is something you're never gonna ask him to do in
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: the pros. But do you feel comfortable enough saying we
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: can with his skill set, he can excel doing what
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: we need need him to do. And I think the
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: front office just has a much easier time looking at
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: it through that lems and coaches can have a tough time.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: And listen, I'm not acting like every general manager or
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: every scouting director is good at their job. We obviously
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: see a lot of picks. It's like, what is this
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: guy doing. I've watched this guy on my couch play
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: the last two years in college. You just draft to
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: that guy in the top of the second round that
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: that's insane. But I think a lot of times coaches
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: can be very, very hit or miss, and in fairness,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: in the pros. The evaluation is not a job requirement.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: It really is if you can't evaluate in the pros.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: But you're a great position coach, You're a great scheme guy,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: You're a great teacher. That's all that matters. I just
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: won't lean on you for your opinion. I have to
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: give you, you know, the opportunity to give your opinion. It
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean I'm gonna take it in. And I think
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: the Eagles are gonna be fascinating this year because you know,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: you hire Sean Mannon, You're going to institute this, you know,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: the Green Bay offense, which is lafleur that comes from
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Mike Shanahan that he coached for Kyle and the Kubiaks
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: and the McDaniels like that. They all have the same thought.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: It's getting under center, it's running the zone runs, it's
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: putting your back to the defense, which specifically goes against
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: that article that came out on Jalen that he's uncomfortable
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: going under center, which I supported Jalen saying I don't
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: feel comfortable going under center because Matt Ryan said that.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers said that at first it is if you're
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: used to playing in the shotgun and controlling it from there,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: which Jalen has been doing for a long time, and
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: then you want me to go to my center and
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: the play action fakes, I'm putting my back to the defense.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: It's something that unless you instituted immediately when you get
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: into the pros, because most people aren't doing this in
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: college football. It can be a very uncomfortable thing to do.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: And the only way, I don't care what you're doing,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: to break through something professionally that you are uncomfortable doing
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: is to just keep doing it and eventually hopefully you
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: will be in a position where you're like, Okay, I
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: am much more comfortable doing this. I think I can
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: have success, right, And sometimes you just won't be able to.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: So only time is gonna tell if this is gonna work.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: But the Eagles are going all in on this because
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: it's very conducive to running the football. And this goes
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: back to the Jeremiah Love thing. The easiest way to
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: help out a quarterback is to do what they did
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: two years ago is Takeuon Barkley run for two k Now,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: is the guy gonna run for two thousand yards? Again?
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Probably not? But they're paying them a lot of money.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: He's gonna come and motivate it, I'm sure, and they're
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: gonna be looking to have a fifteen plus one hundred
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: yard season from their start running back. And this running
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: scheme has been proven over and over and over again
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: it works. I mean, hell, the Eagles got gashed against
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: the Bears with them running zone, just running it right
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: up down their throat, him cutting back the backside, Manningai
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: in swift. They got embarrassed at home earlier this year
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: because the run game, even as the game has changed
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: to a more spread offense, passing the ball, there is
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: nothing and any fan knows this. When your team is
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: dominating another team just handing the ball off five yards,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: eight yards, twelve yards, four yards, fifteen yards, it is
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: one of the best feelings in football. And if you've
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: played in high school, obviously, in college or the pros,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: it is truly the way to make the other team
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: essentially give up. Right. Obviously, when you throw bombs, it's
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: cool and it's fun for video games or in real football,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: but the way to impose your will on a team
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: is to run the ball down their throat. And that's
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: what the Eagles did two years ago, and they clearly
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: want to get back to it. And if I was
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: an Eagles fan, like a lot of unknown how this
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: is gonna go. But the one thing you feel good
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: about is my general manager knows how to pick good players.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: My general manager knows how to load a roster, and
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: if your roster is as good as it possibly can be,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: there is less ask on the quarterback. Imagine in this scheme,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: it ideally puts less on the quarterback, which it felt
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: like at times last year that they were putting a
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: lot on Jalen to have him carry them like he
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: was Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes. And while
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: he can have individual games and do it, he's not
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: that level player to do it throughout seventeen games. We
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: have enough sample size. It's just not his skill set.
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  Speaker 1: you hire new guys, those guys weren't just working at
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  Speaker 1: Low's right. Those guys weren't running a bank. They were
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: working for other teams. They're either coming from college typically
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  Speaker 1: probably a big school, or coming from another NFL team,
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  Speaker 1: and a good GM and a good front office will go,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: what information do you have on these five players that
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: that team, whether they're coming out in the draft or
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: a situation like the Green Bay Packers who have kind
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: of had a fire sale. You know, this goes back
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: to the floor a couple of weeks ago. Guys didn't
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  Speaker 1: believe in their roles. We just not everyone was on
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: the same page. He essentially said, without saying we had
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: some serious locker room issues, which actually, I give a
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: lot of respect to the Packers. If that would have
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: been the Eagles, if that would have been some of these
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: other the cowboys, it would have been not only a
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: well known story, and maybe it was kind of in
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: the Green Bay world, but it wasn't something that we
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: were talking about all over the NFL. It wasn't because
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: if you said, hey, a story came out the Green
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Bay Packers have fractures in their locker room. Guys aren't happy.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: It would have been a big story. I know this,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: I would have talked about it, and I don't really
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: remember that coming out. Hell, I until Parsons got hur right,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: I thought they were gonna make a Super Bowl, you know,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: and clearly they had some issues going on, which gets
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: back to the Belichick thing. You gotta be careful when
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: you bring in players and they become your highest paid
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: player and they're coming from a different team. It's kind
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: of a tough situation because clearly, you acquire Parsons, he
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: becomes the best player on your team. But sometimes I
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: can just lead to some little ripple effect of negativity.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: So I'm not blaming. It's not parsons fault, but I
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: wonder just they already had some issues. You bring in
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: this guy, other guys think they want to get paid.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: This other outsider gets paid. Things can get weird. Well,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: the Eagles just their offensive coordinator comes from Green Bay.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: He's been you know, Lafour's guy. That's why they hired
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: him to run that offense. And what intel does he have?
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: He has intel on the Packers guys. So what do
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: the Eagles do? They just trade a late round pick
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: for Dontavian Wicks, who fifth round pick never caught more
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: than forty balls. You know, He's like six one and
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: a half, kind of a bigger guy, not a Blazer,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: but NFL wide receiver and adds depth to their roster.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: And I think they're hoping clearly, and this shows you.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: I don't think they make this trade if their new
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: offensive coordinator is like I like this guy, right, it
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be even though how he's the boss, if how
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: he goes, I kind of like this guy, and Manny
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: looked at him and be like, I'm not a fan.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: You wouldn't acquire him. That's not smart business, right, so
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: clearly he's on board with them, And I think this
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: also alludes to the other change of scenery that feels
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: inevitable is AJ Brown. You want to have some reinforcements,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: So you add Hollywood, you add Wis to Go, you know,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: you bring back god Her, You still got Saque. There
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: is no replacing AJ Brown one for one, There just isn't.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: If they trade AJ Brown, there's no one they can
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: acquire in twenty twenty six who is gonna be that talented.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Even if they nail this upcoming draft pick, that rookie
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: will not be as good as him right now. So
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: if you're Howie, you got to do this by quantity, right,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: So you got to just try. Hey, we'll bring in
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: three guys, which I'm sure they're going to draft a
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: guy relatively high in the top couple rounds and then
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: you Okay, AJ's gone, But we brought in three more
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: bodies to try to replicate that production and that impact,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: and hopefully of those couple guys, you know, the cream
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: kind of rises and we get the best out of
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: that group to go with Smith, who is a really
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: really good player and ideally a really really good running game.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Because the one thing in the Shanahan scheme, you don't
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: need Jerry Rice. You know, obviously Mike Shanahan actually coached
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Jerry Rice in the early nineties with Steve Young. But
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: like you can get by if your running game is
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: kicking ass, especially if your defense is gonna be good
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: is probably the Eagles defense is gonna be And that's
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: what I think they're attempting to do. They acquire this player,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: they give them a contract extension, so clearly, you know,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: in a perfect world, you have Mannion around for a
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: couple of years. I do think if this goes well
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: for Sean Mannion, owners love quarterback guys and it you know,
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: the last two guys to make Jalen Hurts look good
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: got head coaching gigs. And this guy's a former quarterback.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: He can fix Jalen Hurts. We can be talking about
• 31:07
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  Speaker 1: fire into those dms. We will start with Alex. I
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: just started working my internship for investment banking in Jersey
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: City and the work culture is fucking horrible in the NFL.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: What do you think the work culture is like? Do
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: you feel a sense of competition with other scouts or
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: is it more collaborative. I've always said that the NFL.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: I've never worked in finance, but I call it Wall
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Street on grass because I think there is a similarity
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: in terms of the amount of hours you have to
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: work and the intensity of the environment. Right And obviously
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: with the NFL, like in investment banking, you're talking hundreds
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: of millions billions involved in this operation. I'm trying to
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: put this in the nicest way possible. When you're young
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: and you get your opportunity, whether I was in college
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: at Fresne State or whether I got to the NFL,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: you're gonna work. There are gonna be other ideally some
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: young people in the operation that you are gonna bond with,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: right because you're kind of in the trenches together. But
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: it is not a happy, go lucky put a smile
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: in your face, like no one cares what you think
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: when you're young in some of these jobs, especially in
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: a job with accomplished people and a lot of money
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: on the line. So my advice to any young person
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: getting into investment banking, getting into the NFL, well, getting
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: into any high pressure operation that is involved with doing
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: big deals that are either public or like in pro sports,
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: that is just a public outcome that there's gonna be
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: high stress and high pressure on the people in charge.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: So if you come in and listen, I'm pretty opinionated.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: I had to learn early on, like sometimes you got
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: to keep your mouth shut and just do what needs
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: to be done. In a lot of days, you're going
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: to leave the office, probably late at night and go
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: like that that sucked and that was hard, but like
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: tough things should like you'll look back when you become
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: my age and go that help shape you professionally, and
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: as you go along professionally and maybe you do career
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: changes or maybe you change companies and the vibe is differently,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: everything becomes easier. I think one of my best advantages
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: since I've been talking for a living is like I
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: don't view this as difficult even know depending on the
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: time of the year. I'm working holidays, I'm working late nights,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: i work seven days a week. Sometimes I've done all
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: that for way less money and way less credit. No
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: one even could point me out of a lineup beside
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: my family. So I think when you're in the trenches
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: and shit is hard and everyone's angry, and it's just
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: it's intense. When I first got to the Eagles and
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: was working, because my first job was kind of like Howie's.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: I don't even know if that the specific job still exists,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: but you're you know, technology was a little different in
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: twenty ten, twenty eleven. You just I'm just working so
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: close and hand in hand with him any little thing
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: he needs, and it was just really intense, and I
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: didn't know if I was gonna make it right. It's
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: not that you know, you get it's football. You get
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: yelled at every once in a while. Some of it's
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: your own doing, but you don't have a smile on
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: your face when you go to bed at night. But
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: I look back like that hardened me up for because
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: it's one thing when you grow up and if your
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: parents are hard on you and you have high standards
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: in your home, like those are your parents. As you
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: leave the nest and you go work for other people
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: that are hard on you and have high standards, that
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: benefits you greatly. I saw Veach tell a story recently
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: that the first project he did for Andy Reid, he
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: said he spent like two weeks on it. He just
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: got hired essentially as Andy's assistant. And he hands them
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: the project and he kind of looks through it and
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: then he looks at the three ring binder and I
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: guess Veach didn't take off the you know, like the
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: the thing that you scan. And Andy looks at him, like,
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: you didn't take off the the CVS sticker. You handed
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: a project to the head coach, you didn't take off
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: the sticker. And Veach walked out of the room and
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: he said he called a friend. He's like, I don't think.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna get fired. And Andy was trying
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: to set the tone of like details really matter. And
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: I think sometimes when you're young and maybe have friends
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: that work kind of more jobs with different cultures, and
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: again I'm not who knows, I don't know what company
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: you're working for. I think that can only benefit you.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: And also you can see things like one time when
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: I was working at Fresno State. Now everything's on you know,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: the cloud, right, So if you if you're watching recruiting film,
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: if I'm Kirby Smart or Dan Lanning, I could get
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: everything from the iPad. Well back in two thousand and
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: eight and two thousand and nine, these companies, so every
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: high school game, you pay for a service and they
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: film every high school game or they get access to
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: the film of every high school game, and they set DVDs. Well,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: by the end of the season, you know, we recruited California, Arizona, Texas,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: you might have twenty five hundred and three thousand DVDs.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: So when a pack of DVDs, these enormous boxes, you
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: have to input, you know, the two schools, and then numerically, well,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I wasn't paying attention or what happened,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: but I was off one number. So from like four
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: hundred to six hundred, every game was off by a game.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: So we were in a recruiting meeting and Coach Hill
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: would pull Modern Day vers Santa Margarita and he'd go
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: to four twenty seven and it was actually four twenty six,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: so he'd pull it and it'd be like Edison High
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: School against Clovis West, and he would just kept looking
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: and it was all off, and he starts fucking freaking
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: out and pissed off rightfully so and eventually a DVD
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: flies across the room. I have to duck. He wasn't
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: necessarily thrown into me, but he was just pissed. Because
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: the details really really matter. And I remember thinking when
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: that meeting ended, like I'm going to get fired. And
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: I've known a lot of people that worked for Nick Saban.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Guess what, it was not a funny experience at all,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: and all those guys benefited. Now, if you're not in
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: a fun experience and it's miserable and you're not going anywhere,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: that sucks. So you kind of have to have a
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: gut feeling. In my two football situations, when I would
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: find myself feeling miserable, I always lean back on the
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: thought that, like, I'm in a really good spot, like
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: this is gonna benefit me moving forward, because listen, as
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: a young person, you come in bright eyed, bushy tail.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: Then you get there and no one gives a flying
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: fuck what you think and can be kind of mean
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: to you, which I just think is hardened you up.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Now you also, you know, depending on what you do,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: like for me in the podcast world, is the culture's
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: way different. I would just say, hey, man, just keep
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: your head up and just keep swinging. Largely agree with
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: your Baine take from Tuesday, but this it feels like
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: classic hit piece from a team hoping he falls further
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: other more than he usually would. The report came out
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: against quote the wishes of the victim's family, and the
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: only criminal charge was reckless driving. I'm a new attorney,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: and in a fatal car accident, it is a real
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: outlier for the driver not to get hit with at
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: least some sort of aggregated aggravated enhanced traffic charge, let
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: alone the hicular manslaughter or homicide, depending on how the
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Florida classifies those. On top of that, the victim's family
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: apparently has not filed and is not planning to file
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: a civil suit, which also makes this seem like a
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: very tragic accident rather than anything resembling the Carter or
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: Rashi Rice situations. Obviously working off limited facts here, but
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: I don't think this should or ultimately will have a
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: major impact on a stock. I think the take I had,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna impact his stock at all.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: I don't think he was never probably gonna go in
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: the top five. He was always gonna go somewhere between
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: like six and the early teens. I mean the early
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: teens would feel a little bit like a drop, but
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: he's gonna go high, right, And this gets back to
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: what we talked about with Brad Holmes. I don't know
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: if Joe Shane or how we were asked about this,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: but all these teams knew about this. This This was
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: not a shocking incident, right, This is not something that
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: was new information. And this gets back to what you
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: brought up that I talked about yesterday, Like it is
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: on the Scouts and to work with their whoever their
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: detective arm of the organization is to gather all that
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: information because if you are gonna take Reuben Bain, you're
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: gonna need to know that case and the details of
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: that case like it was your own. You know, it
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: happened to you, and that's their job not to Like
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: you know, Reuben Babe is great on second and short.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: He really excels against the run, stacking and shedding and
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: playing the backside. Like it's gonna come down to the
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: information off the field with this guy. So I hear you.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: I need to know if you actually think the current
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: Raiders regime has a shot at making something positive happen
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: of our current situation, playoffs be damned. I just want
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: to be competitive in the division. I'm excited where the
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: team is going, but it feels like this team is
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: destined to inevitably fuck it all up. As typical Raiders fashion,
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: I would be pretty excited. Like you said, I mean
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: sometimes as a franchise, this isn't about whinning. You know,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: the standard shouldn't be we can win the division next year.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: The standard for the Raiders. This was like when Poles
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: got Ben Johnson. Can we just be competitive? Then it
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: turns out they win the division, they win in home
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: playoff games. It was incredible. But if you would have
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: told Bears fans at the start of the year, you're
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: going to be the seventh seed, there was not a
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: Chicago Bear fan alive that wouldn't have signed up for that,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: because that means every football game you play in matters.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: And the previous year with Ebert and I'm just using
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: the Bear as an example. When you have a season
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: in several seasons where none of the game matters. You know,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: all your games after the first couple just feel pointless.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: You know, That's what the Raiders season that happened last year.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Their games in October, November, December did not matter unless
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: you're a diehard Raider fan. You did not need or
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: want to watch them. And I've bet a lot of
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: the fans like, I can't watch this. It's it's a
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: terrible product. And obviously that's why you get the number
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: one overall pick. But I think they could win seven
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: games this year. If all goes well. In seven games,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: depending on the order in which you win them, it
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: might feel like you're kind of alive around Thanksgiving, and
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: I think that's all you could ask for, and like
• 43:11
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• 44:53
  Speaker 1: I just heard you say on the podcast that you
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: got into a heated argument with Chip Kelly in the
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: draft room. Could you expand on that? Also, why do
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: you think he didn't work in the pros? As a
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: college football fan, he was a huge star with a
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: high octane offense. Was it because his personality didn't work
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: with players? Or mostly the x's and no's. I would say.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: By the time Chip came, I was feeling myself. It's
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: probably the cockiest I've ever been professionally in my twenties,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: because I was Howi's guy by then. I had met
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: Chip multiple times on the road doing the West Coast.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: One thing. One of my buddies with the Eagles and
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: taught me every time you go through a program and
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: you meet a prominent figure, an assistant coach, a coordinator,
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: definitely the head coach, send him a personalized you know,
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: we had Eagles card stock, send him a personalized letter.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: So I was doing that everywhere I went, and it
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: really worked because you go into school a second time,
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: they would come up like, hey, John, good to see
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: you again, right. I remember Chip did that, So I
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: was like, I already know the guy. I know how he.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: I just felt very comfortable, obviously too comfortable. And the
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: draft meetings came and Matt Barkley, who actually played a
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: lot longer than I ever would have envisioned him playing,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: came up, and I obviously was doing the West Coast,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: and you know, I forget exactly how the meetings went
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: back then, but I think the position guy or not
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: the position coach, but the area scout talked first, and
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: I kind of crushed him. Well, Chip was in our
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: meetings in the back, you know, he'd kind of come
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: to when we talk about a player that he was
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: either on Oregon or that he played. And Matt Barkley,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: I think in two years against Oregon as junior and
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: senior year, threw for like a thousand yards. I mean,
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: was looked like fucking Joe Montana against the Ducks. Any
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Oregon fan or USC fan, if you're old enough, you
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: probably remember, like Matt Barkley was really good against them.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: So Chip thought he was good. And again I actually
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: respect him how long his career went, and he seems
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: like a great guy when I know that knows him,
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: likes him. But from a football standpoint, I went, he
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: can't move, he doesn't have a great arm, Like I
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: just I don't think this is the type guy we
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: should pick. And I was again cocky, feeling myself pretty aggressive,
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: and then Chip starts chiming in that he disagreed. And
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: again maybe I'm misremembering it a little bit, like I
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: don't know if we were directly arguing or I was
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: just saying something and he was just saying that completely opposite,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: and I just didn't really stop talking. And I remember
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: after the meeting one of our guys said, like, man, Bro,
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: you're pretty aggressive in there. And it was just never
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: quite the same after that. I remember going to the
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: combine a couple weeks later and no one was really
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: talking to me, and I could just tell that they
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: had turned on me, you know, and how he just
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: had to do whatever Chip wanted to do. I mean,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: if you've listened to me and how he have a
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: good relationship and you know, Chip just I wouldn't even
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: look at me, and you know, as the Scouts hated him.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think he couldn't his evaluations couldn't have
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: been any worse. Listen, I'm biased because I know some
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: of the things he did to other people. I don't
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: think he's like a high character guy. I'm not a fan,
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: and it's not even about me personally. Me leaving Eagle
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: is the best thing that ever happened to me, So
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: it's like my life changed for the better from then.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: But like some of the things he did to other people,
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: it's like, give me a fucking break. But yeah, I
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: mean this back to the guy asking me when you're young,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: you gotta be like you start thinking like I'm theo Epstein,
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: you know, and you gotta be careful because older people
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: with the power, they want your opinions, but they want
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: you to be controlled sometimes, especially in like a corporate setting. Right,
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: this isn't like a startup. This is there's a clear
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: hierarchy in that room. And your boy thought he was
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: an equal until he wasn't. And they're like, send back
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: the iPad, Like, I fucking love this iPad. I don't
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: have any money. You want me to spend thousand dollars back.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know how much iPads costs, having about one
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: in a while, but I remember that that was like
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: the thing. I was like, I gotta get back my iPad.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: I gotta buy my own iPad. I think I've had
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: the same iPad, you know. I bought an iPad like
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: a year later. I think I still have it. Like
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: the case is falling off. Probably need to get a
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: new one who will be more successful in the next
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: ten years. The Giants or the Raiders, I feel like
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: they have a lot of similarities. With the expected drafting
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: of Mendoza. I think the Giants have a better young
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: cores of guys. You know, Crosby's older, Colton Miller's older.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: We don't know how dynamic and good gent he is
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: gonna be. Bowers is good, but I think when you
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: look at the Giants, you go, I mean, Abdul Carter
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: should has the physical capabilities to become a high end,
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: dominant edge rusher, like one of the best speed rushers
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: in the league. I'm not saying he's Micah Parsons. Obviously
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: his rookie year was a disaster, but like he should
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: make Pro Bowls. And I'm not talking about the ones
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: you know where you get invited because seven guys drop out.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, like he should be one of the best
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: pass rushers in the NFC. Molik Neighbors, if he's on
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: the field, should be one of the best players in
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: the NFC. And Dart's already proven, like his skills do translate.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: He's just got to stay on the field so they
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: have more. And the other thing is like John Harbaugh,
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: we know what he's like as a head coach. There
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: are more question marks with the Raiders. Kubiak. No one
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: would have hired him two years ago. Fernando Mendoz has
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: had five career snaps under center. You know Crosby, how
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: long can he play at a high level where the
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: Ravens right on the knee situation. So I just think
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: the Raiders have more question marks, But I think you're right.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: I would stock in both the Raiders division. You know,
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: Andy's older in his mid sixties, Hardbaugh's over sixty, Sean
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: Payton's over sixty. So one thing the Raiders have going
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: for him is like those guys can't coach forever. You know,
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: the NFC East little easier, Washington, ton of question marks
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: coming into the season. And as a roster, I mean,
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: as long as Jerry's there, there's just a lot of
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: shit going on and there's just always drama with the Eagles.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: With the NFL expanding to international games, will get to
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: the point where every team plays one every single year,
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: it would be able to split the home and away games,
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: even eight eight one neutral. I didn't even think about
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: that because right now they're just giving up one of
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: their home games. It is one inevitable, like they Thursday
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: Night Football what it became when I was in the NFL,
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: you know, fifteen years ago when it started Thursday Night
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: Football had like two or three games. I think by
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: the end, before I went into radio, there was like
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: five Thursday Night games and it was like Rich Eysen
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: and Mike Mayock. It was on NFL network. I saw
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: at the owners meetings Roger Goodell. One of the things
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: he said about because NFL network was it technically wasn't ending,
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: but it was going to ESPN said, Thursday Night Football,
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: you know, without the NFL network doesn't happen. So the
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: expansion of Thursday Night Football and what it is today
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: as a true package and a really big deal in
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: the NFL got started, launched and became a thing on
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: that network. And what it is now is every team.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: Does every team have to play? I actually think they
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: changed that because now you can play two games on
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: Thursday Night Football. Pretty sure every team plays in a
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: Thursday Night Football game, but there's definitely, you know, a
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: full package of games starting week two through essentially the
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: end of the season. That is what's gonna happen with
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: the international games now. Unlike Thursday Night Football, I don't
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: think there's gonna be a situation where they may they
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: say you can play multiple international games. That's pretty unfair,
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: even though, I think the forty nine ers this year
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: play in Australia and play in Mexico City. But the
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: forty nine ers want to play in Mexico City. They
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: don't want to play in Australia. Another question for you,
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: given the credibility of Mike McDaniel as a play caller
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: and designer, are you prepared to say if Herbert doesn't
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: play like an elite quarterback this year and or wins
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: a playoff game, he never will. I think the narrative
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: has been he has been terrible, He has had terrible
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: situations his whole career. But I don't think that's true.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: At some point, doesn't he need to earn a reputation? Oh,
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: doesn't he need to earn his reputation? Listen, there's no
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: dispute in it. This is a big freaking year for
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: the Big Fellow, you know. I think there's pressure on
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: the Chargers to win the division to home games which
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: don't necessarily matter, but it's easier from a travel standpoint,
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: and for him to have a playoff game if he's
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: playing wild Card Weekend. If you're the two, or you're
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: the three, and you're playing the six or the seven
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: or vice versa for him to throw three or four
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: touchdowns and be like, that's one of the best games
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: of Herbert's career. It's important, and I don't argue with
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: you on that one. He gets a lot of support
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: from people like me that believe it's gonna happen even
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: though it hasn't happened. But the longer you go, people
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: question is it actually ever gonna happen? And I think
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: we're crossing that bridge. Now, We're crossing that bridge. Now
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: He's another bad playoff game away from being like the
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: James Harden without the strip clubs of the NFL a
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: little different. It's not Apple's Apples comp right there. But
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: Hard's been terrible in the playff for the most part,
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: and Herbert has been atrocious. A question for the go
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: Lo bag Well was answered here. I completely with you
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: on not shitting on Tiger. It seems pretty obvious he's
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: an addict because of everything he's been through, and he
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: takes pills to have a quality of life. However, why
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: does he have to drive like a reckless asshole when
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: he obviously knows he's under the influence. I know in
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: my past, if I've ever had a couple drinks and
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: I'm fairly certain I'm under the limit. I still drive
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: like an angel, just to be extra cautious. He's downing
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: pills and then driving sixty through residential neighborhoods. I bet
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: none of his accidents happen even if he's fucked up
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: on pills, if he's just driving like a normal person. Yeah,
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: I mean I talked to someone maybe I mentioned this
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: that lived or was driven down the street. I guess
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: he doesn't live there, but he stayed in that area
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: multiple times, kind of in the golf business. And said John,
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: that street is like a street in the suburbs where
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: no goes faster than thirty miles an hour. It would
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: be borderline impossible to get into anything more than a
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: tidy little fender bender because you're texting for you to
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: flip a car. His driving is atrocious and his pill
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: Like I've said this forever, if he the reason he's
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: taking pills is to play golf and lift weights without
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: the pills at fifty years old, there is no way
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: he could lift the weights and attempt to play golf
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: like he likes to do, which is the only thing
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: he's ever done. Right, And obviously that has defined his life.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: So if he actually goes to rehab wherever he's going
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: in Europe or some other country, and it works and
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: he's not able to take these opioids anymore, I think
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: we see a completely different human and potentially like in
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: a wheelchair because eventually his body won't work. I mean,
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: the guy has more surgeries than like a guy that
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: played football in the sixties. So I don't know why
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: Tiger drives so fast. He's a terrible driver. That the
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: accident the other day or a couple weeks ago, it was
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: just was an Aldheimer. How realistic is it to think
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: that next year's offseason will be headlined by two aggressive teams,
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: the Rams and the Eagles getting into a bidding war
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: for Burrow. I don't even think we are remotely close
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: to Mike Brown entertaining trading the guy. I think it
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: would take a disaster for the Bengals. But if there's
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: a disaster for the Bengals, that probably means Burrow is
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: missing games, and then what's his trade value? Like, how
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: could you throw a boatload of picks at the guy?
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: If something happens like it happened last year, and if
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: he's good. Right where all these teams would be lined
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: up to acquire him. I would imagine the Bengals are
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: good and then they're not gonna trade him. So I
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: just have a hard time. I'm old enough to remember
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: when Carson Palmer wanted out and Mike Brown said, you
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: ain't going anywhere. I just think you're dealing with an old,
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: stubborn owner who is not in the business. Is just
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: trading this guy, even if it's for a haul. What
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: am I missing on Dante Moore? In my opinion everything
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: I've seen, he's a quicker, Bryce young and next year's
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: draft who will eventually get a GM fired. Well, he
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: didn't come out. This is why he went back to
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: school to prove that he's better than that. I think
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: after the Texas Tech game, the uh the game against Indiana,
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: you know, down the stretch of the season, you went,
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: that's a smart move. He's only been in college now
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: for a couple of years. I think he's like twenty
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: years old. He needs some work, Like not everyone is
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: just ready for the NFL, and I commend the guy
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: and probably an easy decision. He's making a boatload of money.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: He's a king on a campus that loves football has
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: a powerhouse team. They're gonna be a preseason top five team.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, who knows, they could be like two or three,
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: and their substance behind it, their rosters loaded. There are
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of people's pick. You know. Now,
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: dan Land's gonna have to prove he can win some
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: big playoff games, but they are going to be a
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: sexy pick to win the national championship and all eyes
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: are gonna be on him. And I think he is
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: going to be one of the most talked about players
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: because NFL people are going to be talking about him constantly.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: He's got a lot of buzz. He's got a lot
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: of hype coming into the season. His decision to go
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: back has made him kind of like a household name.
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: I think he's got a lot of physical abilities, but
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: I need to watch him more. And luckily he's playing
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: in college again. I get the opportunity. So you know,
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: I like Bryce. I'd be lying if I said I
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: wasn't a fan of his in college. I would have
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: taken him over CJ. Stroud as well. I loved him
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: at Alabama. But then you just see a size and
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: you see him in Pat's relative to CJ. You're like,
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. Now it's not like
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: CJ's playing great either. But CJ's last game in college
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: when he threw all those touchdowns at Ohio State. Maybe
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: it was a final four game. I just remember three,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: like five touchdowns, was against Clemson. Some of these college
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: playoff games run together. But and then CGA went to
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: the combine and ran like a four four five. You're like, got,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: he's way better athlete than I thought. Evaluating quarterbacks is hard,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: but the more college tape you have on a guy,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: the easier it is to evaluate. So I think there
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: are a lot of question marks for Dante Moore, but
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: he's not in this draft. I'd be with you, and
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: if Dante Moore is in this draft, I'd be like,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: it's pretty risky. There is no guarantee that's gonna work.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: To me, he because he would be the clear number two.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: He'd be in a different stratosphere than Ty Simpson. He
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: would go number two overall to the Jets. It's like
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: Dante Moore is gonna work with the Jets. I would
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: bet against it. But what if he goes back next year,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: gets stronger, gets better, hones in on his craft, gets
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: more reps, and by the end of the you like,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: this guy's a stut So we don't need to make
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: any declarations right now. Or maybe you're right, maybe he's
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: just overvalued, but we get another year of them playing.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: Let's let's pull up the the Oregon football skit. Let's
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: talk a little college football. So he opens up with Boise.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: They go on the road to Oklahoma State, they play
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: at SC, they get UCLA at home, Nebraska at Illinois,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: at Ohio State versus Michigan, at Michigan State versus Washington.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: They got a good schedule. They play Ohio State and Michigan.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: They go to USC. That Boise games always. You know,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: Oregon and Boise have played a million times over the
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: last twenty five years. At Illinoi's no joke. Nebraska at
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: home will be a solid game. Washington's good. I mean,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: that's their rival. That's a good schedule. If I was
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: looking right now, I would say I'd say conservative ten
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: and two. Feels like they got a loss on here
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: at Ohio State's tough, Michigan's gonna be tough. At USC.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: I mean they probably lose one of those three games,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: I'd probably say eleven to one potential in the Big
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: Ten championship game, assuming those championship games still haven't which
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: I saw Sanke the SEC commissioners like, yeah, it's probably
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: run its course. Well, run its course if both the
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: teams playing in this game are gonna be in the playoffs.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, what's the point of this. It's why I'm
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: a believer that that the championship game you have to
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: work with the committee should morph into a playing game,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: kind of like the NBA. So instead of Texas versus
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: Georgia or last year Indiana versus Ohio State, which was
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: fucking awesome, which I respect a shit out of both
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: those programs were playing as hard as they did when
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: both of them are locked to get a a buy.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: Is that game should be like USC versus Illinois and
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: the winner gets in and the loser doesn't make it
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: like that. That would be theater too, which I think
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: that's inevitable. Did we get to a position where it
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: was like last year, it'd being like Texas verse you know,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: I whoever another team is in the SEC Texas versus
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: Bandy to go to the playoffs, that would be my
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: guess what that weekend morphs into this is just a
• 1:03:29
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• 1:03:31
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• 1:03:34
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• 1:03:38
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• 1:03:41
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• 1:03:44
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• 1:03:46
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• 1:03:48
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• 1:03:51
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• 1:03:54
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• 1:03:56
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• 1:04:06
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• 1:04:09
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