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The Real Men of Hussain (AS) - ft. Shaykh Nabil Awan · After Maghrib 🌙

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Bismillah Rahman, Raheem Salaam Alaikum, and welcome back to
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another episode on your favorite Shia Muslim podcast after
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episode. Now brothers and sisters, over
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the last few weeks we've all had the opportunity, myself and you,
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to attend Majalis to honour Imam al Hussain Alihi Salaam.
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However, after Maghrib, what we want to do is try to understand
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Imam al Hussain better, build marafa with our Imaba, not just
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Imam al Hussain, our living Imam, Imam al Mahdi, Ajal, Allah
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Allah Faraj al Sharif. So in today's episode we want to
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explore Ashura and the message of Ashura not just as an
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historical event but a lifetime school of Fort Insha'allah.
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This means we want to explore and understand what was the
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mission behind Imam Al Hussein, what's the relationship and the
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connection between Saptor Rasul and the Promised 1, the awaited
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1, Imam Al Mehdi, Ajal Allah Al Farid Al Sharif.
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At the same time, understanding the men and women who joined
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Imam Al Hussein, the companions, the Ansar a little more with
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Now back to the episode Ahmed. Ali from Salaam.
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How you doing bro? I'm OK Al Hamdulam, I'm excited
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for today's episode. Thanks for all for the
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introduction. We also run Sisters.
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You will have noticed that me and Said Ali are generally very
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well dressed men, you know, Handler and today is no
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To be honest. I wore it to work and my
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I told him it's our brand bro. He said, there's no way.
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So the fact that you know what, Subhanallah, this is a true
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story. Yesterday I was at the mosque
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and a brother came to me and he said to me, I wore the shirt on
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the train. No, in a cafe.
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He said in central London. A guy behind him told him, where
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He says it's a podcast. He says, oh, the podcast after
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marketing because I thought so he goes I listen to after
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marketing as well. And he asked him, do you know
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Ahmed and said Ali And it turned out that he actually was in
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well as a bottle as well. Now, brother, sisters, let's
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crack on the conversation said Ali mentioned it.
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There's always lessons to be learned to draw parallels
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between the past and the present, and of course the
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future as well. We say Salaam alaid Hussein,
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Allah alaibnal Hussein, Allah Alaid Hussein, what Allah
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hassahab al Hussein, and Allah has set somewhat of a hierarchy
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in that formula for us. So to kind of understand the
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imam, we have to understand that entire statement in totality.
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Today Inshallah, we will do that by understanding some of the
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companions as well and their masculinity, their their kind of
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personalities and ways in which we can take from them to also
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then become inshallah and Saad Al Mehdi Arjala
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Taalafalajeshwari, without further ado, it gives me great
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pride and honour to introduce our guest scholar for today,
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Sheikh Nabil Awan Salam Alaikum Sheikh Nah, how's it going?
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Hamdallah good. Thank you so much for being
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here, Sheikh. Where do, where do we begin?
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You are a man and a scholar of many talents.
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For those of us who know you are extremely.
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What's the weather I'm looking for?
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I'd say I'd say you're definitely someone I wouldn't
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want to cross paths with in a street fight.
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You are black belt in Wing Chun if I'm not mistaken.
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I'm going to be careful with questions.
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Have you ever, have you ever been in a situation where in a
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medulist someone has challenged you?
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You've had to kind of straighten them out?
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No, no. No, no, no.
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I think, I think my size puts most people off anyway.
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But yeah, we've done some sparring after after the the
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Medulist, sometimes some brothers.
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But yeah, so I hope. Surely we could pick up some
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some tips and of course, for those of I'm sure we all know,
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Sheikh of course is is born and raised in the UK.
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He's now in Saskatoon in Canada. Saskatoon.
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In Edmonton, Yeah. Apologies.
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Were you in Saskatoon? No, I don't know where I got
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that from. Edmonton, rather How's how's
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life over there? The dubious.
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It's good. It's good once you get over the
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the winter and realize, you know -50 ain't that bad?
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Oh. My God.
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Or then, I mean, that's once a 11 week of the year, but after
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that it's sort of hovers around -20 to -30 for a good part of
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the year. Wow.
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So how are you coping? Because it's hot right now in
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London. Yeah, it's very hot.
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No, Hamdallah, it's just good to be good to be home.
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Yeah. Hamdallah, let's get stuck in
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with your permission. We're kind of at a junction
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right now, a transitionary phase between post Arshad Blues and
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reflection. And of course the build up the
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excitement for Albert in at this time.
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I think the momentum for a lot of brothers and sisters is up
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and down. I think the the progress and
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spirituality some of us may have had may not be as strong as it
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was a few weeks ago. And at the same time, for anyone
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who's looking forward to travelling, if they have the
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blessing to go for Zia to Arbain in Iraq, there's an element of
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excitement. But at this point in time, where
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should we be? What should we be thinking of?
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How is kind of the best way for us to continue the momentum in
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these between these two amazing and and obviously very heavy
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periods? I think that the first thing is
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that one has to contemplate over the the 1st 10 days the the
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Arafah, they speak about this Barb of risk of sustenance that
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opens unto the world from the first time Muharram until the
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day of Ashura. And I always ask people this
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question is what did you gain from Imam Al Hussein in the 1st
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10 nights? Because you know the Imam, he
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occupies a unique position in all of existence from amongst
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the aim as well. You know, from the turbah of
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Imam Al Hussein being Shafa to you know, all of your daughters
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being accepted under the the Dome of about Abdullah to being
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the door of gender. So you're so much can be gained
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from the door of Imam Al Hussein.
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Did I spend the 1st 10 nights and this is what people should
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be thinking about? Did I spend the 1st 10 nights
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just going through the motions? I got black clothes.
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I went to the Medulis, I sat there, I cried, I did all of
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this is admirable, by the way. Like there's the anyone who just
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did that handle that they have gained.
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But to be able to actually analyze that.
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What did I gain? You know, so a lot of times we
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just sort of, I, I, I asked people who go to Ziara like what
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did Imam Hussein give you? Now, what did you ask from Imam
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Hussein? And so in the 1st 10 nights or
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in this period after, we have to contemplate that what did this
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saga of love do to me? How has it changed me?
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Am I exactly the same as I was from the first time I had them?
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Or can I tangibly say there is something that I've learnt,
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something that I've changed in my life?
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And that's where we need to be contemplating before the next
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door of Rezk opens. I mean this whole period of two
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months and eight days that some mourn for, this whole period
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that there is something available to you.
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But when it reaches like for example, Arbaeen again, again
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another one, those specific Barb of rescue will open.
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So what am I doing to be able to receive what is about to come to
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me in the days of Arbaeen? Now, very beautifully said, it's
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a nice reflection to share actually, because I think we all
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in many ways think like that at times.
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Even growing up, maybe not now, but growing up.
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I remember like back in the day, I can go back.
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I don't know, I'm 34 now, so I should think, you know, I should
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rise over what's next. But I never knew what's next.
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I never searched for what's next.
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I didn't ask the questions. What's the panel?
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Over the last few years, I've been wanting to know more.
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I've been wanting to know specifically.
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We We said said, let's let's do do a a theme theme here here in
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in the the podcast podcast and and it it was was from from
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muharram Muharram al Al Safa Safa. where was the top heed in
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karbala like there are so many things that we can derive from
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the battle itself before the battle and after the battle and
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it's a whole new world I mean there's so much conversations
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that we can have but I think something that I think that will
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allow us to understand the objectives of imam al Hussein
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beyond the Aza beyond the martyrdom and the battle is what
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was the key objectives of the imam because I mean, there's so
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much conversations that we can have, but I think something that
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I think that will allow us to understand the objectives of
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Imam Al Hussein beyond the Aza, beyond the martyrdom and the
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battle is what was the key objectives of the Imam Because
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there was definitely a reason for him to go there.
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And many do ask, why was he in Karbala?
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Why did he take his family? Like what was the objectives?
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Some say it's only a slur, some say, no, he was there to beef
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the oppressors. But I'm sure there was a godly
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mission behind. I don't know if you want to shed
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some light on the show that we can kiss kick start
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conversation. Yeah, I mean, all you have to do
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really is try and understand when it comes to anyone's
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objectives, you have to look at their words.
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What is it that they're they're saying?
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What is it that they they set out as their mission statement?
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And so you haven't a number of different statements that the
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Imam made, letters that he left, letters that he sent, starting
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with the first one, which he leaves with Muhammad Hanafiyah
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and Medina, when Namaharajtullah, Talibal,
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Aslahfi, Ummathi Jeti, straight away it's telling us something
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and that something is that there's something wrong.
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Yeah, because you only do aslah, you only reform something that
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was good at one point but now has been lost.
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So what is it that's broken that the Imam is going out to reform
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the second we go to the letter that he sends to the people of
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Basra. So he said sends it to the heads
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of the tribes of Basra. And he says to them, like, aside
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from the, you know, the intro, the outro or whatever, but the
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main bulk of it is Allah in the Sunnah.
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The the Sunnah of the Prophet has been killed and innovation
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has become rife in society. So now we've got a second, the
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second piece of this puzzle that there is some sort of Sunnah of
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the Prophet that has been killed and an innovation has been
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introduced into this society that is forcing the grandson of
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the Prophet to leave the comfort of Medina and leave his home and
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take his family with him. And then you go to the letter
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that he sends to the people of Kufa with Muslim.
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And again, you know, the intro of I received your letters and
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all of that. And again, there is a whole
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discussion on the types of letters that were sent and the
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tone of those letters. But you know, it's not within
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the remit of this. But the imam after saying all of
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this, he says something very key, says fella Emily Iman
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illela AMI Louisville kitab. So he says none is the Imam
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except for the one that orders from the book of God.
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OK who follows the religion who establishes justice, Wahhabi sun
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nafsuo Allah that Allah and he annihilates his self for the
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sake of Allah. So now here the Imam is telling
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us that a true leader is the one that has these qualities.
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So from this we can deduce that the whole reason for it is that
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there has been some sort of paradigm shift in society that
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has forced the Imam Khalafat or Imamat turned to Khalafat,
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Khalafat to monarchy. You know, Mahavir is handing it
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over to Yazid, an individual like Yazid who the Imam himself,
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when he's with Waleed, he tells him, he says, look, you know
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when he says we are the albeit of Nahu, albeit Nabua, we're the
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alibait of prophethood. We are the household of
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prophethood. We are the the maiden rahma.
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We're the place where the mercy of God resides.
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One more telephone Malaika and with us to us come the angels
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constantly Binar fatahalawa, binar khatam.
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And with us God began everything and with us God will end it.
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And on the other side is Yazid Sharib Al Ahram.
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You know, he's a open, a drunkard, a person who kills the
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innocent, you know, he, he all of this.
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And then he says a person like me could never debate to a
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person like him. So this is what's broken in
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society. But the lesson here, yes, what
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is underpinning all of this is divinity is the the drive
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towards Touhid and the Imam himself is on his own journey
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towards Fanaa and he says it multiple times in in his last
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poem before he rides out. So Ilahi talked to Khalaqatar
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Renfi Hawaka where he turned to Aya Lilika Araka when Kapatani
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bill hubby Araben eraba Limani for Adu in a siwaka.
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My Lord have left the hold of creation for your sake.
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I've often my children so that I may see you, and even if the
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swords were to come and cut me to pieces, my heart would turn
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to none but you. So the true message of it is
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underlined with this godly purpose.
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But at the same time, the lesson for us is that although you may
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have godly purpose doesn't mean that you sit like a hermit and
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don't care about your community. There are times when you need to
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rise and bring about Reform I. Said, I said sure, what do we
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even say after that Subhanallah 1 introduction.
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You know these the, the, what we talk about the Osola Dean and
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kind of the tenets that you see in Karbala.
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You can see everything. The whole of Islam can be found
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in Karbala Dorheid from everything you've just mentioned
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the the Imam's godliness and his his devotion to Allah Spanatala
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and his entire being and his decisions and his intents and
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every step he took and in every word he uttered.
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In terms of Adalah we see Allah Subhanallah's divine justice
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through how Imam Hussein's mission reformed society truly
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then until now. And of course the divine justice
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we will see through the avenger of Imam Hussein Aliyah Salah to
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Salaam in the arrival of the Imam of our time.
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I'm sahib alas Zaman. In Nabua we see Imam al Mehta
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Aswad at the Lambia, the inheritor of the Prophets, who
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who personified and manifested all of the qualities of the Azam
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and kind of the, the idol of Kasan, brought that to the
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plains of Karbala. And then Imama Hajj Talaf al
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Arab on the plains of Karbala, they challenged him, they
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questioned his Imama, they opposed his Imama, but it was
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never in doubt until his very last breath.
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And then of course, in the akara we see the Qayama, we see how
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Imam Hussein is. Miss Pahlahuda was Safina
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Tanaja. He will be our arc of salvation,
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our beacon of guidance to lead us to Jannah, insha'allah.
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So I truly believe one of my own reflections in these last few
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weeks is that everything in Islam can be found in Karbala.
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We often get asked that question, why do you guys care
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so much about Imam Hussein? It's for that very reason that
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everything we need, whether it's Salah, we can see Imam Hussein
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on the day of Al Shahra. If it's the Quran, you can see
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Imam Hussein in his camp the night before the battle, his,
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his camp humming like a beehive. And all of these qualities point
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us back to the Imam's mission. I just want to ask about a
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specific incident because you mentioned, for example, the
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letters that he sent to Kufa and Basra.
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And there's one of the somewhat of a companion that we, we, we
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never really hear about is a man by the name of Yazidi bin
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Masoud, who is, as, as you'll know, Sheikh is the tribal
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leader in bus life, I'm not mistaken at the time.
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And he gathered all of the, the tribes, three specific tribes at
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the time, and he managed to muster two of those tribes to
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give an army in support of the Holy Imam.
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And he went lobbying from house to house.
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And he was very influential at the time, a tribal leader, a man
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of nobility and, and, and kind of influence in the in, in his
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Aishira and also generally in society.
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By the time, of course, he was ready to depart, he received the
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news of the Imam's martyrdom. Ali Salaam.
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I just want to ask specifically on that note, because there were
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people who were committed, albeit few.
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Some of them were perhaps imprisoned.
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Some of them were too far to make it.
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Some arrived and arrived too late, perhaps.
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And then of course, we hear all the time about the betrayal of
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the Shia Kufa somewhere you mentioned.
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Kufa we know is a Garrison town, predominantly as a Sunnah with a
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minority but a strong minority of those who are loyal to a
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minimum Munini AI Islam. At the time, what was kind of
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the political climate such that the Imam only had a handful of
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companions that even some of those companions that he took
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with them were companions that he picked up along the way, if
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that, like the likes of Zaheer McClain, for example.
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In KUFA specifically or in the? In general the climate like how
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did it get to a point where you could have 30,000 against a
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minority at least of 72? This started way back.
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I mean, it starts from the time of arguably you could say, I
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mean, Kufa was established during the time of the second
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Khalifa and it grew into this huge metropolis.
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And you know, they, they call it Seydul Amfar and like it has all
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of these titles. But then during the time of
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Muawiyah, there is this mass exodus, either imprisonment of
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the Shias, banishment of the Shias and the Shias leaving
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themselves because of the, the situation.
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So a lot of the times when there's that claim of the Shias,
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but actually the true Shias either in prison or they've left
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or, you know, they and those that were truly loyal, they made
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their way and they reached Imam Hussein in Karbala.
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But yet there was this element of like fear in the in the in
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the society, there was a fear that was created.
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Even Ziad created fear even in Basara.
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He was in Basara before he came to Kufa.
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Yeah. And so the the, the companion
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who brings that letter to the people of Basara, he kills them
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in the end, you know. And so he the, there is this
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fear amongst the, the so-called, I guess the people who were in
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the middle loved Imam Al Hussein and everything like that.
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But then there was this element of fear or this environment of
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fear that had been spread across everyone.
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Nobody wanted to rock the boat. Nobody wanted to raise their
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voice against oppression. Nobody wanted to say anything
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for fear of imprisonment, for fear of being cancelled in
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today's terms. Right.
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And so you history is funny. It repeats itself over and over.
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Yeah. Well, Adi tells Haritha
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Hamadani. He says the name.
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Yeah. Harith history repeats.
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The actors change. Yeah, I'm paraphrasing.
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The actors change, but the themes remain the same.
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And that's why Ali says I studied the people of the past
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and their works and their books and their life and their times,
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because as if I had lived amongst them because of this
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fact that the themes of history repeat.
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And so even for us today, where now we find that there's more of
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a environment of fear being created to speak about how how
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many people are actually going to put their head above the
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parapet to say something. That's proper deep behind.
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When you think about that, it makes us question where are we
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today because we see similar scenarios, circumstances,
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situations and Shala, we are standing on the right side of
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history. And if we're not, there's a
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problem. There's a huge problem if we
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call ourselves Hosseini, you know, call ourselves, you know,
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lovers of the maiden Mutmani and Ali Salaam Ali Abiabi Taleb.
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But you know, if we just come back to the companions, the
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answer of Imam and Hossein, you know, we've heard so many
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stories, Schechner, many of us in Charlotte, we have the
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opportunity we should read into their lives because you realize
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they didn't just wake up and said, yeah, I'm joining Imam
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Hussein. No, there was so many things
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that led them towards this, be it their devotion, be it their
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liar to the Imam, be it the matter of their Imam.
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There was so many factors that allowed them to join about
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Abdullah Al Hussein say they showed up.
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What I want to understand is that look, Al Hamdallah,
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inshallah, we are all taking part in active interval and we
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know that the Imam is coming and we know that there's going to be
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promised justice that will take place on this earth.
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But in reality, if we know he's coming and we all believe in
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this concept of the Raja and I can go on and, you know, build
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the question how I wanted to be, but I'm going to make it as
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simple as possible. How can I ensure that I can be
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like the companions of Imam and Hussein Alayhi Salaam towards my
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Imam today? Because if I wake up tomorrow
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and the Imam is here today, maybe too late for me, maybe too
23:36
late for those listening. How do we ensure that we can be
23:39
like Borreir and Zuhair and Habib and John and Wahab and all
23:44
the less lesser known companions?
23:46
How can we be like them for our Imam?
23:49
She did. It's interesting because like
23:54
some of these companions, they joined Imam like at the last
23:59
minute. Habib, OK, he's part of the
24:01
short total. You know, he has the Elm of
24:05
Banaya al Balaya. Yeah, Muslim women also just
24:08
there from the start. But then you have like someone
24:12
like her. Like I when I when I look at
24:18
these different companions, I say, OK, wait, I don't know if I
24:23
can be Habib or Muslim movement outsidger, but you know Yabba
24:29
Abdullah or Yamamazaran. I maybe can be a bit like
24:34
horror. Now what is the defining factor
24:37
in horror journey? When he grabs hold of the reins
24:42
of the horse of the Imam and Imam says may your mother sit at
24:47
your funeral and cry. Now sometimes what it is that
24:52
the Hajja and the one that is taking you to God has to shake
24:56
you away and so this shakes her. And what does he say?
25:02
Had it been anyone else that had said this, I would have replied
25:05
in kind. But your mother is Fatima to
25:08
Zahara. See that speck of adeb that he
25:13
had towards the would you the father to Zahara Alayhi Salaam
25:17
was the reason for her ascent that the Imam woke it in him.
25:25
So there was some element of like adeb that he had this adeb
25:30
disrespect go to Zohair. Zohair was fighting against Emir
25:35
Al Mahmudin and Sukhfin on the other side.
25:38
Shimmer is fighting with Imam Ali.
25:41
Yeah, but Zohair is on the other side.
25:45
And the whole time when Zohair leaves, he sees the caravan.
25:47
Imam Hussein. And he says to himself, you
25:49
know, I realized Hussein, I had heard some rumours.
25:52
I wanted nothing to do with his campaign.
25:55
So wherever he is, caravan would stop.
25:59
I would go ahead and then if he was going ahead, I would stop.
26:04
And this carried on for a few days until I was forced to camp
26:07
at the same place. And then he's sitting with his
26:11
family members in his tent and someone comes to the the curtain
26:19
of the tent, says it's the messenger of Imam Hussein, says
26:23
Imam Hussein has requested an audience with you.
26:27
Zohane says tell him I'll be there shortly.
26:30
I'm, you know, once I finish up here.
26:32
He says no, Imam Hussein is already standing outside the
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any. You know what we say in the ZR
26:39
of the Imam of our time, Kareem in Oladil Kiram.
26:43
Yeah, that magnanimity of the Hajj of Allah is something we
26:46
can't comprehend, says Imam Hussein is standing outside
26:50
Zohane. He starts thinking like his wife
26:57
Dullahan. She tells us, oh hey, what are
27:00
you doing? The son of Rasool Allah is
27:03
calling you. What are you waiting for?
27:06
This. As a side note, spouse is very
27:09
important on your journey. When you look for your spouse,
27:13
make sure you're looking for that willaya, that someone that
27:17
will teach you and show you adeb of the Hajjah of Allah.
27:22
Look for that willaya. So then Zoheid goes, now history
27:27
doesn't write what Imam Al Hussain said to Zoheid.
27:30
His family members say when he returned, it was as if Noor was
27:35
dripping from the face of Zoheid.
27:37
And he says to his wife, look, I will divorce you.
27:39
You return back to Kufa, take my family members with you.
27:44
So Zohair, what about you, says me.
27:47
I'm going with ABBA Abdullah. And then when he's on the day of
27:51
Ashura, they say, Zohair, we thought you were of the Othmani
27:55
Motherhab says I was, he says. But now I've come to ABBA
27:59
Abdullah. See Zohair again.
28:02
A lifetime of sin. But even then he still had quite
28:07
an opportunity. There are two companions whom we
28:12
don't hear about very often. They're the last, the last two.
28:20
This is even after the shahadat of Ali Al Nasr, he's, he's been
28:25
martyred, Imam Hussein for the last time, says Helman Nasser.
28:30
One last time. And two brothers, they look at
28:34
each other. So what have we done?
28:37
And they ride across SA Aden, Abu Habboth, the Rafari
28:41
brothers. Now what is interesting about
28:45
these two is that they were part of the army of Imam Ali and
28:49
Sufin. They formed, they broke away
28:54
with the Khawaj, they fought against Emir Al Mukmini in
28:58
Nahrawan, and they are of the handful of people that survived
29:04
the Battle of Nahrawan. And now they find themselves in
29:07
Karbala. And now you understand what Imam
29:10
Ali told Malik and Sifin that Malik, you're killing and my
29:13
killing are two different things.
29:15
I look down into the lineage of a person and find even one more
29:19
men and I spare them. Yeah.
29:22
Now these two, now they're coming to Imam Hussein just
29:24
before us. There's no one says we were
29:28
there. We watched as your Abbas was
29:30
killed. You Akbar was killed.
29:32
You, Ali Asbar was killed. Is there any, any forgiveness
29:35
for us? Imam says now that you've come
29:38
to Hussein, it's all forgiven. And they said so, then give us
29:42
permission to go out and fight. Imam says go, they turn around
29:45
and they ride out. They fight.
29:48
They killed. And today their names are
29:49
amongst the Shahada. I mean this is the beauty of
29:52
say, the shahada, the Orafa. They speak about this jasp, the
29:57
magnetism of the Hajja. You just have to try truly with
30:04
a pure heart to turn towards the Hodja.
30:07
Once you enter that magnetic field, the Hodja himself will
30:11
take you towards success. That's what Imam has saying.
30:15
He concludes the letter to the people of Basara.
30:19
He says into TO Emery what does Mao Pauli?
30:22
I had become Sabila. Rashad says that you listen to
30:25
what I have to say, obey my commands, I'll take you towards
30:28
success. And so there's so many of these
30:32
different companions that we don't really hear about their
30:34
stories as such. But on on the other side, there
30:38
are those who are good. For example, there's one called
30:41
Teremma. He meets Imam saying full of
30:43
Shia. Imam says come join.
30:46
He has his friends with him. He says, Yabna Rasullah, we're
30:50
here, we're going to join you. 3 or 4 of them, they join Imam
30:53
Hussein Teremma, he says. But Yabna Rasullah, I just need
30:58
to rush back to Kufa. I just need to make sure my
31:03
family is good and I'm coming back and I'll join you.
31:07
Imam says to him, says to him that then be quick, be quick,
31:13
come back quick, don't miss your opportunity.
31:17
And he goes. But when he returns, it's too
31:19
late. The Imam has already been
31:22
killed. But those companions that were
31:23
with him, they achieved Shahadat, see, and that's the
31:27
second coin. 2nd, a piece of that puzzle.
31:33
The 1st is having Adeb in front of the Hodja.
31:38
The second is complete to slim in front of the Hodja.
31:42
That to where the Hodja is telling you to go.
31:47
There is no my opinion and my family and my work and might
31:51
know he's going somewhere. You follow, everything is lost.
32:00
This is that transcendence that you find in Karbala amongst some
32:08
of the amongst all of the companions in fact, but some you
32:12
see it in it's really profound. Abu Sibni, Shabibi Shakiri, he's
32:18
one of the companions of the Imam.
32:21
He comes with his servant. Shut up.
32:24
But they it was a family servant, but they they were
32:27
around the same age, so they grew up as friends On the night
32:32
of Ashura obvious says to show them.
32:35
He says to him show them everyone here they have someone
32:40
who they want, they will sacrifice for Imam Al Hussain
32:43
tomorrow. He says but I don't have anyone.
32:47
The closest thing I have and the dearest thing to me in this
32:50
world after the Imam is you. He says will you be my sacrifice
32:56
tomorrow? He says yes.
32:58
So Shazib goes, he's martyred. Then Abyss goes, now this is the
33:04
transcendence here. Abyss goes.
33:08
He takes off his armour. He throws it aside, lift offs,
33:11
lifts off his helmet, throws it aside, no sword.
33:15
He walks out. They shout to him.
33:19
They say to him, Abyss, have you gone mad?
33:23
He says yes. Hebbal Hussain Ajilneni Since
33:26
the love of Hussein has driven me mad, this is a transcendence.
33:30
Now where See, there are stages in this transcendence.
33:34
Transcendence. There is Ishq at the lowest
33:37
level. This is an infatuation which
33:40
many of us have. I love the Imam, I'll I love the
33:43
Imam. I'll cry for the Imam, I'll
33:45
attend the medges, I'll do everything.
33:47
But do I live my life the way that the Imam wants me to live?
33:51
Maybe not. Then there's a level above it,
33:54
intellect, where I intellectually understand the
33:57
concept of the Imam. And then now my crying turns to
34:00
Bukha. And when I cry and I do Bukha at
34:03
this level, I wail for the imam at this level, Wajibet, the
34:06
whole gender. Gender becomes wajib.
34:08
This is with the intellect Arafan Behati.
34:11
But then there's a level above it where now no intellect can
34:16
comprehend your your mindset. Alama Iqbal, the philosopher,
34:23
Pakistani philosopher, poet, he has a line, he says a poem when
34:28
he says without any fear, love jumped into the fire of Nimrud.
34:39
Abel Ham Mahabi Tama Shahi Labi Bam ABI intellect is still
34:43
standing upon the rooftop, contemplating whether or not to
34:47
go. But Raheem Ali, his arm
34:50
transcended to that realm, knew my Lord will never leave me
34:53
alone, and now was in absolute Ishq.
34:56
These individuals in Karbala in absolute ishq, Now Abis come
35:00
out, no armor, nothing on his body, Absolute Ishq.
35:03
The world is saying, Abis, have you gone mad?
35:06
And Abis is saying no, This is the truth, this is reality.
35:11
In the end, they stone him to death, but again, he was an
35:13
adult. You go to others in the
35:16
MacArthur who are not named. Some in some of the MacArthur.
35:19
This young boy, 11 years old, Abdullah Ibn Jonada, he's named
35:23
his father Jonada Tubnik Kaab was just killed.
35:26
He was one of the veterans of Safin and he came to Karbala and
35:29
he's killed in Karbala. His mother, his wife is with
35:32
him. The now Abdullah bin Jonada
35:34
comes to Imam Hussein. Do you give me permission to go
35:36
out and fight? And the Imam says, look, your
35:40
father has already given his life.
35:42
You don't need to go. Go to be with your mother.
35:45
Your mother needs you. He says, yeah, Imam, the mother,
35:50
my mother herself has sent me to you.
35:53
Now I've told you his name, but many of them are cartel.
35:56
They don't give his name. But this boy's transcendence,
36:00
look at it. Every other person that went out
36:03
recited poetry. They introduced themselves.
36:06
Ali Akwa introduced himself. Basim introduced himself.
36:10
But this boy, he goes out and history has just written his
36:15
poem, a poem that probably everyone, every viewer at home
36:19
has heard. Maybe they don't know who said
36:21
it. Maybe they think that some poet
36:24
wrote it. But actually it's this 11 year
36:26
old boy in Caterpillar, Amiri Hussein.
36:28
No one there, Amir. He doesn't say who he is, says
36:32
Amiri Hussein. If you want to know who I am,
36:35
then just know that Hussein is my master.
36:37
And what a great master he is. Sururu for Adil Bashir and Nadir
36:41
Ali Anwar Fatima Walida Nadir says that if you want to know
36:47
who I forget me, Hussein is my master.
36:50
That's all that matters. And what greater virtue is this
36:53
than this? Ali and Fatima are his parents.
36:57
He's a piece of the heart. He's the piece of the heart of
37:00
the prophet. What greater virtue than this is
37:03
there as you see these individuals that are there, that
37:06
are not that known, but yet their transcendence is what
37:11
makes them immortal. I'm questioning.
37:24
Well, what do you even say after that?
37:26
It's story after story after story.
37:29
And these were real men and they dedicated themselves for the
37:33
Imam. And whether it was at the
37:34
beginning or whether it was towards the end, they were those
37:36
who gave their entire being. And as you said, they've moved
37:40
towards fun and complete annihilation of themselves for
37:44
the sake of Allah and for the sake of the Imam of their time.
37:47
And I think that's that's what really gets to me.
37:50
Something you mentioned earlier about Zahedim and pain and the
37:53
Imam coming to him strikes me, really strikes me why?
37:59
It's because I feel like the Imam, Ali Salam, on so many
38:03
occasions wants to give them every opportunity.
38:07
And this is something we realize the more we hear and read into
38:11
it, that on every opportunity, the Imam wanted complete
38:13
visibility and he wanted to be in their faces to show them who
38:19
he was, the mukam of who he was and also the innocence of him as
38:23
well. Whether it's the Imam coming to
38:25
Zahar or whether it's, for example, him asking for that one
38:29
extra night, We know, of course, and said Ali heard me say this
38:32
over the weekend to him. But had the Imam fought on the
38:36
night of or on the 9th of Ashura, he would have been in a
38:39
much better position. He would have faced less
38:42
soldiers. Of course, we know now, Heidi,
38:44
thousands came on the morning of the 10th.
38:46
He would have been less thirsty. His camp and his companions
38:49
would have been less thirsty and less tired.
38:52
He would have been more perhaps energized to go and do as much
38:57
damage as possible to the enemies.
38:59
At the same time, when he asked asks Abu father Alayh Salaam to
39:03
request the extra night. He says it's for Salah and he
39:05
says it's for he says I love my Salah and I love that line.
39:09
And then the visibility of him. And we said earlier, his camp
39:13
humming like a beehive. He wanted them to hear what are
39:16
they doing on the night of Ashura before their battle,
39:19
before the certainty of death. Had he not asked for that night,
39:23
we wouldn't have had hot as an example.
39:26
We would have said hot that Natala Ali, you know, instead of
39:29
praising him, he would have gone down in history as one of those
39:32
who was responsible for the death of the holy Imam, Alaihi
39:36
Salaam. And all of these small moments
39:38
of compassion goes to show that a this is the philosophy of the
39:42
Imam with the people around him, both those who were beside him
39:45
and those who were opposed to him.
39:47
And you would imagine that this is also the same philosophy that
39:50
the Imam of our time, Imam Slahib Alasim, was a man Al al
39:54
Sharif would have as well. Is that the case, for example,
39:58
when we try now and aspire to be on Salah Mehdi, when we say we
40:01
want to be beside the Imam, we want to be there and show Allah
40:04
when he comes? Of course, much easier said than
40:07
done. Like you said, Ishq is one
40:08
thing, wearing the black, going to the measures, but acting in
40:11
the way to please the Imam is a whole different dimension of
40:14
hidman. Service to him, taslim to him
40:17
and submission to him. How do we firstly get from that
40:21
stage of Ishq to Taslim and on a second level?
40:25
How do we even identify what submission to the Imam looks
40:29
like when he is present but not apparent to us, when we know the
40:35
stuff from, for example the Dolke art and his letters, but
40:39
thereafter we don't have much else directly from him?
40:42
Yeah, there's a really simple, I think, analogy for it.
40:52
And there's a, there's a great example for it in history as
40:55
well. I see.
40:57
When Imam Hussein Ali Salaam is called Safinatu Naja, and then
41:01
all the imams are known as Saffanon Naja.
41:04
So when you embark upon an ark, you go where the ark goes.
41:10
You move at the speed that the ark moves.
41:14
You slow down where the ark slows down.
41:17
You turn where the ark turns. You have no opinion and no say
41:22
in where this ark is going. So if the imams of the ark's So
41:29
you do what the Imam wants of you.
41:31
You stop where the Imam wants you to stop.
41:34
You go where the Imam wants you to go.
41:36
You slow down where the Imam says slow down.
41:39
You don't go ahead. You know, in Salawacha, Baniyama
41:42
Sajadi says that that a little bit, that you are Arks, that
41:58
saying sail upon unfathomed seas.
42:01
The one who believes in you is saved.
42:03
Like the one who went ahead of you was lost.
42:06
The one who stayed too far behind you was destroyed.
42:09
But the one that stayed with you every single step of the way was
42:12
reunited with you. Yeah.
42:14
So wherever they want you to go, you go.
42:16
Whatever you they want you to do, you do.
42:19
And your Nafs will fight you for it.
42:22
But that's where you have to tame it and you have to bring it
42:26
into your control. And you know what?
42:29
The example I want to give you from history is Salman.
42:33
What made Salman minna a little bit.
42:37
It wasn't the fact that Salman just obeyed everything Emir Al
42:40
Mukminin did or told him to do. And no, Salman changed his
42:47
desires to match the desires of Emir Al Mukmini.
42:50
Whatever Ali liked, Salman made sure that he liked it.
42:54
And whatever Ali hated, Salman made sure he hated it.
42:57
Salman. There was nothing left of
43:00
Salman. He just was lost in the Imam.
43:04
And thus he became midnight a little bit.
43:08
And so the simple solution is, see what it is that your Imam
43:13
wants from you, and then go and follow exactly that way where he
43:18
wants you to stop, where he wants you to go fast, the way he
43:21
wants you to slow down. How do we know that I mean quite
43:26
strength and a symbol of though people look, I I appreciate that
43:29
matter of the Imam by our time is hard and it's also a journey.
43:33
It's an upward hill, upward slope.
43:35
But for those of us who are and for the listeners and for those
43:40
who are struggling to even understand the Imam, come to
43:44
terms with the labour, come to terms with how to give something
43:48
to the Imam in this period of the labour.
43:50
Of course, we know that labour can be sweet for those in the
43:53
period of labour, as if even our hadith says, even if as if the
43:57
Imam were here today, it would feel like that for us, for those
44:00
who are fully committed to him. But how do we know if we are in
44:04
tandem with his motion or if we're going too far ahead or too
44:07
far behind? You have to know the Imam,
44:10
right? You have to know what the Imam
44:11
says, what the previous Imams have said, OK, we don't have
44:14
much from the Imam of our time, but the previous imams, we have
44:18
over 200 years worth of, you know, hadith and sayings.
44:22
And then the Holy Prophet is the ultimate model.
44:26
And so you, you look at that and you read, you understand, you
44:30
know, it is not enough right now that my only source of knowledge
44:38
is the member. Sent.
44:40
That that is not enough. I get on the member and I
44:43
present for 45 minutes to an hour, but that is 6 hours worth
44:47
of study for every lecture that I present in 45, two minutes to
44:51
an hour. I can't give you 6 hours of what
44:55
I've done in the background. And So what that means is that
44:58
if we're just the community of 45 minutes or 55 minutes or an
45:04
hour or some community even less than that, then there's no way
45:08
that we're ever going to. We have to dive in to the
45:11
teachings of Helibate. We have to take classes.
45:15
We have to find teachers. We have to study.
45:21
Only then will we truly begin to understand the Maharif of
45:24
Helibate. Becoming accustomed to the
45:26
literature and yeah, being being confident in your.
45:30
Yeah. Your journey of knowledge.
45:32
Yeah, and then the other thing is like there are certain simple
45:35
things that you can do, like the 60 mam, he says for Leon Teller.
45:42
Well, yeah, mill bill, water warmer, house in a clock.
45:46
Three things then the e-mail says do active in Tevar 2nd do
45:52
Amal at the level of what are abstain, abstain from certain
45:55
things, don't rush towards everything and at the levels of
45:58
abstinence as well. There are certain times when
46:00
you'll abstain from that which is halal for you that because
46:05
it's anything it it's taking you to something other than the
46:09
Imam. And when you're totally funny in
46:10
the Imam, you just want to be in a gathering where it's just the
46:13
Imam about the Imam about your Marifer towards your journey
46:18
towards the Imam, the Marifer of the Imam Marifer of Allah.
46:22
And then the third thing is 1 Hassan Al Ahlak have be good
46:29
people, have good manners. Don't backbite about people,
46:33
don't spread rumors about people.
46:35
Don't you know, like I hear something about someone and I'm
46:39
just like, oh, by the way, did you hear this?
46:41
You know, I'm not just saying, I'm just putting, yeah, don't
46:45
mess with people's, you know, like as this is, you know, the
46:50
the hormone of the Mopman is greater than the hormone of the
46:54
Kaaba. If it's about humiliating A
46:56
Mopman or bringing down the status of a mopman or destroying
46:59
the Kaaba, the narrations has destroyed the Kaaba.
47:03
But you have no right to bring down a Mopman.
47:06
And for us, these things are so easy.
47:09
Like we don't care. We will destroy the personality
47:13
of someone on the basis of what? Something that I heard from
47:18
someone or something dubious I heard or some forwarded text or
47:22
some, you know, like why? Yeah.
47:25
So the Mahasen and Akhlaq, that's really important, just
47:30
being. Good moral people.
47:33
That's beautiful tips And you know, just this point on Akhlaq.
47:38
I think it's like the the main be all and and all, not just
47:41
with Marfa or the Imam, but to live your life.
47:44
We speak about, you know, being Muslims and we look up to
47:48
Rasulullah sallallahu alaihi, Hawaii Wasallam as the ultimate
47:51
role model. He was the mercy to mankind and
47:55
someone who came to perfect Ahlak mannerism around the
47:57
world. And something that really sticks
48:00
with me is that, and I've I've mentioned this a few times over
48:03
the podcast as well as that Ahlak, I think don't just show
48:07
who you are, but allows others to understand who are the people
48:12
that you look up to? Because when we come across
48:14
these narrations that say Kuna Zain and Lena be a good
48:18
adornment for us, if we don't have the best of luck, we're
48:21
going to have a give a bad image to to whom?
48:23
To the Anil baiting themself because how much times Ahmed and
48:26
let's be real, between let's say friends, we come across members
48:31
of the community. They look at someone who doesn't
48:34
have the best of manners. Let's say look what his religion
48:36
teachers. How much times have you become a
48:39
person and and it's scary when you think about it because it
48:41
doesn't just affect the community, it will go beyond it
48:43
will affect your children one day.
48:44
It will affect your relationship between your own spouse, your
48:47
your parents, your siblings. But you know.
48:50
Yeah, that's that's not like a masculine thing to do as well,
48:52
like forget, I mean, even in terms of putting the archaeology
48:56
or something, the Wyatt as well. It's not an attractive or an
49:00
appealing quality normal to have.
49:02
Like when you see that in someone and you're in a
49:03
gathering and people are spreading gossip and rumours and
49:06
did you hear about this guy or did you know this guys dad did
49:11
this or brother did that and what do I care?
49:13
Like we grow up and we grow this, you know, this issue of
49:17
masculinity is a creeping and deepening issue in our community
49:22
and specifically amongst our youth and those who are
49:25
approaching the age from Balul, they're approaching marriage.
49:28
And of course, the tabiya from the parents play such an
49:31
incredibly important role in this, you know, especially in a
49:35
worsening society that we live in.
49:37
And at the same time, we have a Walt like a secular world, which
49:42
idolises superheroes in pop culture for reality.
49:45
We have here today, we've heard about how many superheroes, you
49:49
know, actual superheroes to look up to people of all ilks and
49:52
backgrounds. And we look at the superheroes
49:54
in Marvel and DC, the, the, the, how do we learn about their
49:58
personality? They all have their own traits,
49:59
their characteristics, their different forms, shapes and
50:02
sizes, backgrounds, cultures, demographics, languages.
50:05
It's the same in Karbala. It's the same.
50:07
It's exactly the same. How is it any different?
50:09
But these are real life, real life characters, real life men
50:14
and women who stood tall and they stood in the face of
50:17
oppression. They didn't give in.
50:19
You know, there's, there's companions.
50:20
Even until their last breath when they were lying on the
50:24
floor, they would still reach for a dagger to do inflict as
50:28
much pain on the enemies of of the Imam, the soldiers of
50:32
Shaitaan as much as possible. And that I think, in my opinion,
50:36
a lot of this comes back to what's in their heart and
50:39
compassion for the Imam as well as their qualities of
50:41
masculinity. Share on on that particular
50:44
point on masculinity. If I can ask, especially through
50:48
because look, you've, you've had interactions with probably
50:52
hundreds of of shit arts centres and communities around the world
50:55
in the last couple of decades. But especially from your
50:59
interactions with young men today, do you feel like
51:03
masculinity is an issue? And what advice would you have
51:08
for us both as young men and also those who are younger than
51:12
us, who are growing up and trying to understand how to
51:16
become a real man in today's day and age?
51:20
I think the the basis of masculinity, it comes from a
51:26
khlaq, but also Adeb. Adeb is etiquettes.
51:32
A khlaq is Manus. Adeb is etiquettes.
51:35
A khlaq tells you don't back by don't do this.
51:38
Adeb tells you this is how you sit in the company of people,
51:42
this is how you interact with certain individuals.
51:45
You know, Imam Ali, he says Al Adebu and Yakif Al Insan in the
51:49
Hadde says that adeb etiquettes are that an individual
51:53
understands their boundaries and stays within their boundaries.
51:58
I am the son to my father. I'm not my father's father.
52:02
I'm not at his level, you understand.
52:05
So understanding adeb, that's really important, having things
52:11
like erea, you know, having that this, this is a terrible
52:17
translation. But this honorable jealousy, you
52:19
know, over, over the, the, the, the maharams in your in your
52:25
life, you find it in the, in the life of say the Shohadah, right?
52:29
And while Hussein in Nahi, the Imam says that when you fell to
52:34
the ground, to the Rutarfan Hafi and Ilarahlika Vivek, you know,
52:38
even though you were lying that the only concern that say the
52:41
Shohadah had from the corner of his eye, he was fixed.
52:45
His focus was on the tense of Zainab anum khudfum.
52:49
That's that's all his focus, his fear when when he falls
52:54
unconscious at the body of Ali Akbar, because the state of the
52:57
body of Ali Akbar is such plus losing Ali Akbar for Qatar, who
53:01
besieged for him urban Erba, they mutilated his body so badly
53:06
that the Imam, he falls unconscious at the body of Ali
53:09
Akbar. Zainab comes out from the tents,
53:11
according to Maktal of SI Divinity Tawos Lauf, she comes
53:15
running out from the tents to the body of Ali Akbar to aide
53:20
Mahmud Hussain. Mahmud Hussain hearing the voice
53:22
of Zainab. Not while I'm still alive.
53:25
And he forgets Ali Akbar, he forgets everything and he takes
53:29
Zainab, Ali Hasalam back towards the tents.
53:32
That that reader. That's one aspect.
53:35
The other aspect is, you know, like men have become soft, like
53:41
these people that you look up to in Karbala, you know, you hear
53:45
about Basim and hear, oh, he killed this many people or this
53:48
way Ali Akbar and stuff like that.
53:50
You know, they, there was a there was a regime they were
53:53
following Abbas Ali Salaam from the young age.
53:56
Like there was training, they were training, you know, they
54:00
were learning to fight, they were learning how to defend
54:03
themselves, all of that, you know, the martial arts and stuff
54:06
like that. You know, they it wasn't that
54:09
they magically came on the day of Ashura and all of a sudden
54:12
were able to wield swords and there was years of training.
54:15
So there's like this physical aspect to the masculinity that
54:19
we've lost where you got kids sitting for hours upon hours on,
54:23
you know, with the headsets on playing, you know, God knows
54:26
what, and parents are just letting them play whatever Haram
54:30
game, you know, like, Oh yeah, someone once told me, Oh, my
54:33
shallow, you know, I brought my my son GTAA lady because he
54:37
would kept complete. I said, sister, do you know
54:39
what? What's in GTA like?
54:42
Like what are you, you know, And so there's that aspect, that
54:47
physical aspect has gone and then you can't alongside the,
54:52
the, the Physiology or along with it, because this has a big
54:57
part to play with our masculinity, You know,
55:01
especially when levels of testosterone, you know, we, we
55:05
don't really pay much attention to it after the age of 40 as
55:08
your testosterone starts to fall off or as you're younger right
55:11
now with the amount of microplastics that are in the,
55:13
in the food chain, you know, we, we don't really care about those
55:17
sort of things, what we're putting in our stomach.
55:19
When you look at the lives of the adult baits, you look at,
55:22
you know, there is this aspect of Ehlat adeb diet training, you
55:27
know, these, these are really important.
55:29
You can't just like, you know, discount them and just be like,
55:32
I'm just going to pray all the time and that that will that's
55:35
going to make my make me a man. You know, like there has to be
55:39
an aspect of physically putting yourself under strain, like
55:45
learning these crap. And then when you do that and
55:48
you know, there's plenty of research and I won't turn it
55:49
into a a discussion on testosterone and like gym and I
55:54
don't want to tell, but but you know, it's really important.
56:01
Like you look at the lives of these individuals and they have
56:05
these characteristics. The physical is so important.
56:11
You know, I mean what we mean. What is he saying?
56:13
The Aqua Domitica Jawadi give me the strength of my limb so that
56:18
I can do your headma. If I can't, I go to massage it
56:22
now. And I see people who are in
56:25
their mid 30s, bad backs, bad hips.
56:28
They they've got no core strength.
56:30
They can't sit up, you know, They're sitting on a chair.
56:33
They can't sit on the ground. They can't hold their torso up.
56:35
They can't, you know, do any sort of manual work.
56:38
I'm getting tired, you know? No, like amongst the Sierra of
56:43
the Halil Beta, I think Salaam is hard work.
56:46
The imams had their own farms. They would till their own land.
56:49
They would physically work. Plus there was this whole regime
56:53
of training, archery, sword fighting, all of the horse
56:56
riding, all of these, you know, the transferable skills that you
57:00
know. This cannot be discounted.
57:04
It is necessary for young men who want to develop that
57:10
manliness and alongside it, you know that akhlaq and adeb so you
57:15
don't end up with toxic masculinity, but alongside, you
57:20
know that adeb and you and the akhlaq.
57:23
And then you have men who are men.
57:26
They don't say this out because I hear it so much now.
57:29
Oh, you know, Chef, never. We.
57:31
I'm talking to a guy and he's saying to me, yeah, he's ready
57:35
to get married to me, but he wants to go 5050 on all the
57:37
bills. He wants to go 5050 on the No.
57:41
What are you talking about? Ain't nothing to do.
57:44
No. That's your job as a man, you
57:47
know? Oh, my, my husband has, you
57:49
know, I have to raise the kids. And no, Ted BIA of the Olad is
57:53
the responsibility of the father.
57:56
You guide and together you go, yeah, but why is it that most of
58:00
our women are being forced to do that?
58:03
We're like, no, I'm going out to work.
58:04
You, you raise them at home. But actually, when you look at
58:07
the hadith that we have Ted BIA of the Olad, development of the
58:11
child, training your child is, is the father's responsibility.
58:15
It falls on the father's neck. Yeah.
58:17
So you're the masculinity isn't just like one thing, of course.
58:21
There's like a multifaceted that you you want to develop the
58:26
right man, the perfect man. And obviously the perfect in
58:30
Sound of Carmel is Emilio Mutmanin.
58:33
That same Ali that is fierce in the battlefield and the lady,
58:38
some metony ummi haidara, that same Ali Yatamal maloud, Yatamal
58:43
maloud tamal mullis Salim, you know, in the Mehrabi's writhing
58:48
and shaking like a man bitten by a venomous snake.
58:50
The wailing and crying. That same Ali is sitting on the
58:54
ground playing with the orphans of Kufa Subhan Allah and that
58:58
same. Ali is walking the streets.
59:01
With with a bag of food on his back trying to look for someone
59:05
poor that same Ali is actively out looking for those that are
59:10
downtrodden in society. Someone said to me, Ali, why did
59:13
you give this man so much money? Well, he says he's going to form
59:17
a habit. Imam Ali says be quiet.
59:19
I went looking for him. I stand here looking for people.
59:24
I don't wait for people to come to me.
59:25
I go this is this is all part of that masculinity because for
59:30
that to to have that level, you need to Shah his sad like this,
59:34
this expansion of the chest to be able to deal with the trials
59:38
and the difficulties of life and still be resilient enough to go
59:43
forward. That's that's a man.
59:48
Is that a man that can go again? And yes, there are times when
59:52
we're weak and we fall, but you know, that's where your friends
59:57
are there. Your family is there to lift you
59:59
up. We have that task.
1:00:01
But you know, most of the time it's not about not showing my
1:00:05
emotions, not being no. But you know, there is an
1:00:09
element of have some strength about you.
1:00:11
You know, have some strength about you.
1:00:13
It's not the end of the world. You still have God above you.
1:00:16
I sent him. I sent him, Chef, my love, bless
1:00:19
you. I feel like we have about three
1:00:22
more podcasts we need to do with you.
1:00:25
Like, yeah, we. Need to do this.
1:00:27
We need to do this. We need to do this Charlotte
1:00:28
soon. If you would allow us and if
1:00:30
you'd grace us with the return and Charlotte one day, we we
1:00:34
would be honoured. And I'm.
1:00:35
Extremely. Grateful to you, as I know said
1:00:36
islands as well for being here with us and I know you are
1:00:42
extremely busy. I remember seeing your schedule
1:00:45
during your time in the UK and we asked our last one.
1:00:47
I'd like to give you more toll fiq allow you always to continue
1:00:50
in the service of the Azad Beta Ahim of Salaam and towards
1:00:54
inshallah building communities where we can be better men and
1:00:57
women, where we can learn from our history and prepare for our
1:01:00
future as well. Inshallah.
1:01:02
Schechner, last comment or question for you if, if you will
1:01:07
and if you don't mind if there's one message you could give to
1:01:09
people at home, especially in the next couple of weeks and in
1:01:13
the build up to Albain, any message you would have for
1:01:16
people who are struggling to kind of develop that that
1:01:19
momentum once again and and kind of how important the maqam of
1:01:24
Albain is for us to look forward to.
1:01:28
Yeah. I think the the more than
1:01:36
anything foster tears, you know, because people often say, you
1:01:44
know, what is the sort of sign that my, my daughter is being
1:01:50
accepted, my Ziara, my Salaam, all of this.
1:01:52
When I go to kind of the sign of it is the tears that fall from
1:01:57
your eyes that the Imam is replying to you that the Imam
1:02:00
has his attention towards you. And sometimes we can't cry.
1:02:05
Some people, they just they don't cry.
1:02:09
You can be in the will see, but and that's because of the
1:02:12
hardness that's developed in the hearts through sin, through
1:02:16
whatever it is. And if you find yourself distant
1:02:19
from the Imam, then sit down and just talk to him.
1:02:23
Talk to the Imam of our time. Talk to Imam and Hussain and say
1:02:26
to them that you know, I'm not as hard.
1:02:32
It came so late. At least from the start I've
1:02:35
been, I've claimed, at least I've claimed that I love you.
1:02:39
Zahev spent a lifetime on the opposite side.
1:02:44
And it just took one moment. And so I just said to the imam
1:02:48
and I said to everyone, just sit and talk to the imam and just
1:02:52
ask him just for a moment, pull me into your magnetic field.
1:02:55
And then when ABBA Abdullah pulls you in, you know he'll
1:03:01
he'll hold on to your coattails. Sorry.
1:03:04
You'll hold on to his coattails and he'll take you to where it
1:03:08
is that you need to go. But you just have to have that
1:03:11
purity of intention. And when you say it with the
1:03:14
purest of intention and those tears fall, you'll see that the
1:03:19
doors will begin to open up for you.
1:03:23
Beautiful. Beautiful and truly.
1:03:25
Tears do wonders. I've seen it happen around me
1:03:28
and sometimes I've experienced these myself.
1:03:31
Yani, if we can shed tears for Abdullah, it's a blessing.
1:03:34
And Charlotte, these tears never stop because what are they?
1:03:37
Soften their hearts. They allow us often to turn back
1:03:40
towards a loss upon which we go left and right in our lives.
1:03:42
But beautiful advice. And Charlotte, for those of you
1:03:45
who haven't booked so go for the Ziyar of Arbine, please make
1:03:48
that intention so that you have that matter for not just doing
1:03:51
Ziyar from afar, but being there close to the Imam physically
1:03:55
next to us cover. And there's so much, you know,
1:03:57
emphasis on the Ziyar and this become and the status of doing
1:04:00
Ziyar of Imam Hussein in Karbala.
1:04:03
I've come across this narration which you touched upon earlier
1:04:06
on Zara Hussein Arafa, Bihar Bazar.
1:04:10
Allah actually imagine that is like huge.
1:04:14
That's not something small. So just an encouragement shot.
1:04:16
That was a beautiful encouragement for us to build
1:04:18
Marafa with the Imam. And yeah, back to you.
1:04:20
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1:04:22
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