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M and M Extra 07.02.26 | Celebrating Freedom 250 & American Patriotism · The M&M Experience

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Speaker 1: Welcome to a meeting of the minds crafted from decades
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Speaker 1: of talk show experience, an extension of the magic they've
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Speaker 1: created together on radio in the phenomenon called M and M.
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Speaker 1: Hot Topics in the News and Wisdom from Light. It's
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Speaker 1: Mark Davis and Mike Gallagher. This is Eminem Extra.
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Speaker 2: Welcome everybody, just a little something extra as America's birthday
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Speaker 2: draws ever so close July second, and we didn't want
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Speaker 2: to let July fourth get here without an opportunity to
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Speaker 2: spend a little special podcast moment in time talking about patriotism,
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Speaker 2: talking about the bi centennial lo those fifty years ago,
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Speaker 2: which Mike and I both remember, and other things. I'm
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Speaker 2: Mark Davis, He's Mike Gallagher. It's Eminem Early. Happy fourth
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Speaker 2: of July.
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Speaker 3: Happy fourth of July. My friend I went for a
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Speaker 3: walk the other day, which is a little unusual for me.
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Speaker 3: I mean, the Florida heat kind of gets to me,
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Speaker 3: but once in a while I want to just get
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Speaker 3: out and move. And it was hot, and I decided
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Speaker 3: I'm going to walk anyway, and I did like an
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Speaker 3: hour and a half walk, and when all throughout the
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Speaker 3: neighborhood here in the Tampa Bay area Mark. I was
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Speaker 3: so proud of all the houses that had red, white
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Speaker 3: and blue bunting. They had two hundred and fiftieth anniversary
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Speaker 3: signs up. I mean it was, it was more than
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Speaker 3: a few. It was pretty significant. Do you think that maybe,
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Speaker 3: just maybe patriotism is making a comeback.
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Speaker 2: It took some time. I remember as January dawned and
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Speaker 2: it was America's two hundred and fiftieth birthday year, I
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Speaker 2: remember looking around, not just looking around my neighborhoods in Texas,
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Speaker 2: but looking around America as a whole. As February turned
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Speaker 2: into March turned into April, I thought, you know, it
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Speaker 2: doesn't seem to be as big a deal as it
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Speaker 2: was for the bi centennial fifty years ago. Maybe there's
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Speaker 2: a reason for that two hundred is a rounder bigger
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Speaker 2: deal than two fifty. Maybe, so it's like, all right,
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Speaker 2: let's say, but I share your observation. There's something about
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Speaker 2: the last maybe the last few weeks, even the last month,
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Speaker 2: where I've really felt people awakening and saying, you know what,
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Speaker 2: this is America's two hundred and fiftieth birthday. We are
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Speaker 2: going to make a big deal out of it. I
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Speaker 2: will tell you part of it was stuff that's happened.
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Speaker 2: I mean, excuse me, but the Trump UFC fight and
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Speaker 2: the flyover the World Cup, the love of America. As
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Speaker 2: summer arrived, so did kind of a season of love
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Speaker 2: of America, right in time for what strikes me as
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Speaker 2: a finally, finally, a fitting attitude of appreciation for this
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Speaker 2: country in time for its birthday.
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Speaker 3: There's also what I feel is a very tangible ability
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Speaker 3: to realize there is contempt for America that is being
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Speaker 3: directed towards this country from people on the left in
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Speaker 3: a way that I don't know that we've ever experienced before.
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Speaker 3: You've got prominent people who are saying, who are trashing
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Speaker 3: the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary celebrations. Look at the
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Speaker 3: way they tore down the UFC, you know freedom two
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Speaker 3: fifty night. Look they tried to kill those people. I
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Speaker 3: mean there was again another attempted assassination plot underway that
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Speaker 3: they've made a number of arrests. But not only that,
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Speaker 3: but look for a moment at joy read I know,
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Speaker 3: I know, must want to do, we.
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Speaker 2: Have to must wait. I'm actually of two minds on
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Speaker 2: this because this is a recurring theme for me. All
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Speaker 2: these leftist clips, whether it's us or the five or whatever. Hey,
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Speaker 2: let's do let's look at what we said on the view. Hey,
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Speaker 2: let's look at what Gavin Newsom said. How about not
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Speaker 2: is something that occurs to me. But then, but then,
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Speaker 2: but then, I think, you know, as wearying as it
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Speaker 2: might be to me, sometimes there is enormous value because
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Speaker 2: if we don't, sometimes it's somebody's first opportunity to go,
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Speaker 2: wait a minute, they are that crazy. So ultimately time
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Speaker 2: well spent.
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Speaker 3: That's right. And in fact, I saw one of the
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Speaker 3: comments on our YouTube live chat. We always appreciate when
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Speaker 3: people do comments on the on the live chat, when
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Speaker 3: the on the YouTube channel when the show airs. Uh.
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Speaker 3: And of course we appreciate you watching on YouTube or
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Speaker 3: We hope you'll make it a daily, daily appointment with
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Speaker 3: us for the M and M Extra podcast. But somebody,
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Speaker 3: I notice posted every time you put one of those
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Speaker 3: clips up, my blood pressure goes up. And yeah, but
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Speaker 3: I don't and I don't want to just be a provocateur.
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Speaker 3: I'm not trying to make you mad, but Mark, you're
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Speaker 3: so right. We're hoping to reach people who are not
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Speaker 3: maybe as politically involved as we are, maybe not as
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Speaker 3: engaged as we are, and they hear it and they think,
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Speaker 3: are you kidding me? They're that that crap crazy. That's
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Speaker 3: how that's when Mike and Mark talk about radical extremists.
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Speaker 3: This is what they mean. Well here, don't forget Joy
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Speaker 3: Read for years was a nightly host on MSNBC. This
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Speaker 3: is a woman with a big following, and of course,
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Speaker 3: like Tucker and Meghan and others, went on her own way,
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Speaker 3: don lemon. She became kind of an independent podcaster I suppose,
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Speaker 3: and a show online. And here she is again as
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Speaker 3: she was appearing on another podcast from another fired MSNBC host,
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Speaker 3: Alex Wagner. So here's two MSNBC rejects opining about what
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Speaker 3: black people feel or don't feel about the fourth of July.
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Speaker 4: Because in many ways, and with apologies to my dear
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Speaker 4: spicy white friends, because I know that my white brothers
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Speaker 4: and sisters do love a Fourth of July. It is
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Speaker 4: Independence Day. Everybody's barbecue, and it's a thing I can
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Speaker 4: promise you black folks, we will take that day off.
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Speaker 4: We will barbecue because we off with black people that
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Speaker 4: nobody black I know is really excited about the fourth
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Speaker 4: of July because it is what Frederick douglasson it is.
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Speaker 4: It is the celebration of slaveholders who freed themselves from
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Speaker 4: having to pay taxes to the crown for their slave empire.
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Speaker 4: And that is what it is.
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Speaker 3: Wow, it's the It's the celebration of the slaveholders not
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Speaker 3: having to pay taxes on the slaves to the crown.
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Speaker 3: That's the fourth of July. According Now, first of all,
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Speaker 3: maybe Frederick Douglass did say that. I don't know.
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Speaker 2: She's one hundred percent historically correct about Frederick Douglass. And
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Speaker 2: I urge everybody in fact, as an exercise to celebrate
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Speaker 2: the progress we have made Frederick Douglas's essay, his remarks
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Speaker 2: in the eighteen sixties, because think about this, imagine it,
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Speaker 2: you know, your Independence day? Hello, where all men are
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Speaker 2: created equal. These are the words that surround the founding
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Speaker 2: and the concept of America, except whoops, we have slaves?
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Speaker 2: What kind of a disconnect? Now we have fixed that.
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Speaker 2: It took some time. We've repaired that. We've been on
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Speaker 2: a journey of redemption and repair and enlightenment, and it's
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Speaker 2: been a magnificent journey. But she's historically correct about Frederick
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Speaker 2: Douglass and who properly made that observation. But in no
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Speaker 2: way does that mean that in twenty twenty six black
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Speaker 2: folk shouldn't be excited about Fourth of July. But the
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Speaker 2: journey we've been on should be part of everybody's extra
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Speaker 2: appreciation of the Fourth of July in the modern day.
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Speaker 3: And I don't know that it's fair to say that
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Speaker 3: she's historically accurate the Fourth of July as we know.
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Speaker 2: So no just about Frederick, No, no, no, just about Frederick Douglass.
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Speaker 2: She's completely full of it. That No, Okay, Frederick Douglass
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Speaker 2: made a very wise, very timely, very historically important group
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Speaker 2: of observations about what it's like in the eighteen sixties
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Speaker 2: to be black in America, and hear all this Fourth
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Speaker 2: of July stuff, totally true. For her in twenty twenty
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Speaker 2: six to say that now that black shouldn't appreciate it,
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Speaker 2: or for her to say that the fourth of July
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Speaker 2: was originally intended as purely a celebration of slaveholding, that
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Speaker 2: of course garbage continue.
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Speaker 3: Sorry, No, it's a little bit like what people say
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Speaker 3: was the whole basis for the Civil War. You always
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Speaker 3: hear an argument that the whole reason for the Civil
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Speaker 3: War was because the South wanted to defend slavery and
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Speaker 3: the North wanted to abolish slavery, and that was the
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Speaker 3: entire basis of the Civil War.
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Speaker 2: You agree that it was, think, okay, gosh of slavery
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Speaker 2: was a massive part of the Civil War? Was it everything?
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Speaker 2: Of course it wasn't. Of course there were other states
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Speaker 2: rights issues, so of course, of course, of course. I
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Speaker 2: think one of my favorite quotes was was the Civil
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Speaker 2: War about slavery? It was if you were a slave?
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Speaker 3: But again, continue, well, I get it, but I also
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Speaker 3: think there's a watering down. I mean, you know, and
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Speaker 3: if you look it up, all the history books say
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Speaker 3: the primary cause was a conflict over slavery. But I
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Speaker 3: also think there's a great misnomer about the North. I
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Speaker 3: get so tired of people suggesting that there was no
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Speaker 3: bigotry or racism or slavery north of the Mason Dixon line.
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Speaker 3: And that isn't true either. You know, Denesh issus it
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Speaker 3: going back to your point about slavery and societies. And
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Speaker 3: I don't say this articulately enough. There's Denesh does this better?
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Speaker 3: And we one of these days. We should should explore
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Speaker 3: what he says about how America. You'll you may you
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Speaker 3: may be able to correct me here if I say
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Speaker 3: this the wrong way. He has said the United States
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Speaker 3: of America is the only country in the history of
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Speaker 3: the world that ended slavery through democracy or democratic means.
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Speaker 3: He's he said, it's the only country in the in
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Speaker 3: the history of and every country has had slavery that
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Speaker 3: we're not. This isn't unique to the United States. The
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Speaker 3: sin of slavery is not just ours and ours alone.
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Speaker 3: It's common trade. But we're and I think this is
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Speaker 3: what he says, and I've never really fact checked this,
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Speaker 3: but he basically argues, because we we Abraham Lincoln and
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Speaker 3: and the abolition of slavery was done through the through
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Speaker 3: the representative Republic, that we.
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Speaker 2: Simply decided we didn't want it anymore. Boy did that?
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Speaker 2: Boy did that start a fight? We fought a war
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Speaker 2: that was about it and enemies, and we reached a
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Speaker 2: national decision.
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Speaker 3: And we're the But we're the only country in the
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Speaker 3: history of the world that did that, despite the fact
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Speaker 3: that every that so many other countries have had slavery,
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Speaker 3: we're the only ones that fixed it. We're the only
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Speaker 3: ones that ended it that way, and I'd love to
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Speaker 3: kind of next time we chat, I'll maybe I'll call
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Speaker 3: to Nash and get him to kind of a little
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Speaker 3: maybe we get him on the show when on the
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Speaker 3: podcast one of these days. But it's it really is
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Speaker 3: fascinating because he does point out that despite the slint,
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Speaker 3: the the original sin of slavery, if you will, as
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Speaker 3: the left likes to call it, we fixed it. And
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Speaker 3: and very few countries in the world can make that claim.
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Speaker 3: So that's not something joy Read wants to hear, my friend,
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Speaker 3: it most certainly is not.
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Speaker 2: So we go. Let's go from looking back to the
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Speaker 2: Civil War time to looking back just fifty short years.
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Speaker 2: It is the summer of nineteen seventy six. You have
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Speaker 2: just turned sixteen, the previous April, right, right, I am,
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Speaker 2: and I am Abril one of of my kindo Mom,
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Speaker 2: I know you are, but not me. I'm eighteen. I'm eighteen,
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Speaker 2: exactly right. Exactly where were you were in Ohio? Yes, yes,
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Speaker 2: I was still in Ohio. Hadn't left Ohio. Yeah, I
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Speaker 2: hadn't left Ohio yet. And you were about to start
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Speaker 2: doing talk the f they were about to start doing
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Speaker 2: talking the following year.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's what. Seventy seventy eight was the first
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Speaker 3: year I did my first talk show.
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Speaker 2: Ye Moses, So you're in high school. Where'd you go
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Speaker 2: to high school? I mean, what was you?
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Speaker 3: What were your Shamanad Julianne. It was a Catholic high school.
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Speaker 3: It was the first too. There was an all boys school,
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Speaker 3: Shamanad High School in Dayton. There all girls Julianne High School.
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Speaker 3: And I was a graduating class of the first fully
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Speaker 3: integrated boys and girls Shamanad Julienne. They merged and so
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Speaker 3: I was the first graduating.
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Speaker 2: How did that go in the seventies? Did everybody just
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Speaker 2: go start raving nuts with with me? Or was it?
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Speaker 2: Was it more? I mean, okay, you're in an all
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Speaker 2: boys school, nothing but boys, nothing but boys, another girls
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Speaker 2: out the outside world. You got to leave the building.
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Speaker 2: But then all of a sudden, they are girls in
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Speaker 2: the in the hallway.
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Speaker 3: See. I don't know, because because I was the first
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Speaker 3: full graduating class, all four years for me was merged
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Speaker 3: with the girls school. So I don't know. I mean,
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Speaker 3: it was always a boys So you.
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Speaker 2: Were okay, guy, because yeah, you get only imagine so
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Speaker 2: Catholic school where nuns of wrapping you on the knuckles.
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Speaker 3: For oh man, I used to. I got wrapped right
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Speaker 3: in the back of the head once. Well, no, actually
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Speaker 3: got I got slugged. I got a closed fist slug
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Speaker 3: Sister Rosina came up and hit me in the back
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Speaker 3: of the head with a closed fist once because I
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Speaker 3: was acting up in school.
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Speaker 2: I was kind of kidding. I don't know that why
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Speaker 2: I was glimbing onto the caricature of punitive nuns. And
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Speaker 2: I do ever know.
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Speaker 3: You ever want to see a humorous book, read a
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Speaker 3: humorous book about Catholic nuns. There's a book and got
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Speaker 3: turned into a play called do do black patent leather
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Speaker 3: Shoes Really reflect Up? Because the concern that the nuns
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Speaker 3: had was that when girls wore black patent leather shoes,
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Speaker 3: the boys wou look up girls skirts. But the nuns
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Speaker 3: they were beasts. There were I mean sister Rosina, Sister
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Speaker 3: Mary Walter. I remember them. I still have them in
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Speaker 3: my nightmares. You messed around with them, they would come.
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Speaker 3: They just hit you right in the mouth. They would,
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Speaker 3: they would, they would cold car they would, and she did.
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Speaker 3: She I was acting up one day, I can still
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Speaker 3: feel the bruise in the back of my head.
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Speaker 2: I got a lump.
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Speaker 3: I had a lump in the back of my head.
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Speaker 3: That's why I've never been right all these years. She
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Speaker 3: came up behind me. She snuck up because none nuns
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Speaker 3: are very sneaky, and she they're They're like stealthy. And
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Speaker 3: she she she crab up behind me and bam, She's
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Speaker 3: punched me.
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Speaker 2: And she did.
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Speaker 3: She curled up her fist just hit me in the
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Speaker 3: back of the head. Now you with in twenty twenty six,
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Speaker 3: she'd go to jail. Back then in nineteen whatever it was,
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Speaker 3: did you got in trouble at home? But my mom
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Speaker 3: was mad at me for upsetting sister Rosina. Well what
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Speaker 3: did you do? What did you do to make her
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Speaker 3: hit you? I mean you're Oh, I got it. I
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Speaker 3: got it. Both ends from Sunday that.
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Speaker 2: I've never been so proud of my secular education. I
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Speaker 2: have the previous year, the previous year I had come
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Speaker 2: out of the public schools of Prince George's County, Maryland.
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Speaker 2: I was working my way, as I guess in nineteen
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Speaker 2: summer seventy six. Yeah, it was between my freshman and
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Speaker 2: sophomore year. At Maryland. So you're sixteen, I'm eighteen. What
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Speaker 2: is your teenage memory of walking around in bi centennial
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Speaker 2: America's nineteen seventy six, two hundred years What do you
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Speaker 2: remember about it?
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Speaker 3: It was just everywhere you turned, it were flags everywhere.
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Speaker 3: There was pride, there was there was nationalism, if you will.
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Speaker 3: There was just patriot as far as the eye could see.
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Speaker 3: And everybody was in on it. I remember all kinds
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Speaker 3: of TV commercials about it. I remember all the ads
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Speaker 3: in the paper. It was a big It was a
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Speaker 3: big honkin deal back then, Mark big big deal.
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Speaker 2: And you know what, it was not a great time
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Speaker 2: at all. God bless Gerald Ford, who just you know,
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Speaker 2: tried to be president, and we were still stinging from Watergate.
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Speaker 2: Inflation was crazy out of control, the economy was not
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Speaker 2: doing well. Vietnam Saigon had just fallen the previous year.
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Speaker 2: We were wearing the bad feelings about how the we were.
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Speaker 2: There were a lot of ways to be miserable in
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Speaker 2: America nineteen seventy six, and yet we compartmentalized. We said,
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Speaker 2: you know what, okay, boy, do we have some problems
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Speaker 2: past current always, but dog on it. It's two hundred
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Speaker 2: years old. And we love this country. We absolutely love
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Speaker 2: this country, and I'm so glad that that we're at
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Speaker 2: least discovering the ability to do that now. The other
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Speaker 2: thing that I remember doing, and I wonder if this
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Speaker 2: is my teenage memory or just the way everybody regarded
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Speaker 2: it at the time, there was it was so commercialized,
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Speaker 2: bi centennial everything. There are people who called it the
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Speaker 2: bi centennial, b u y dash centennial, and I don't
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Speaker 2: remember minding at the time. I think some of the
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Speaker 2: cynical grown ups did. It all seemed like it was
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Speaker 2: a racket, like an excuse to sell stuff. Lisa and
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Speaker 2: I both have a two hundred and fiftieth anniversary t
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Speaker 2: shirts that she found on Facebook and I love it.
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Speaker 2: So what do you remember about the commercialization of it
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Speaker 2: then and now?
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Speaker 3: I remember it was a lot, but I don't think
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Speaker 3: anybody minded. It didn't feel like there was an objection
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Speaker 3: to it. But you're right, all the all the companies,
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Speaker 3: the brands, they were branding it, they were trying to
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Speaker 3: make they were jumping on the bandwagon, if you will,
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Speaker 3: And you know there there's a little pushback to that. Today.
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Speaker 3: We're so sensitive now to things being commercialized. I think
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Speaker 3: back in nineteen seventy six, we just kind of took
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Speaker 3: it for granted, there's nothing wrong with it, but there
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Speaker 3: was a sense of unity that we don't have now.
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Speaker 3: And I have to confess, I really get down about
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Speaker 3: the polarization of twenty twenty six America. I really get frustrated,
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Speaker 3: in a little despondent that people aren't excitedly celebrating in
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Speaker 3: America's two hundred and fiftieth when there was all the
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Speaker 3: pushback about the UFC and the flyover and the White
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Speaker 3: House celebrations, and there was that, And I get that,
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Speaker 3: you know, fifty to fifty country, you love Trump, you
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Speaker 3: hate Trump, But I hate that this kind of stuff
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Speaker 3: becomes so divisive. I just wish we I just long
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Speaker 3: for the times when we could be unified again, Mark, because.
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Speaker 2: We've always had debates, we're always we're never it's so funny.
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Speaker 2: We're never going to be unified, I mean literally unified ideologically.
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Speaker 2: They're going to be people who feel this way, people
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Speaker 2: who feel that way. We're going to have Republicans, We're
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Speaker 2: going to have Democrats, conservatives, liberals, but we'll always have
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Speaker 2: that spectrum of thought. Used to be that we could
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Speaker 2: talk about it. It didn't break up families, it didn't
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Speaker 2: destroy friendships, and it didn't create people. There was no
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Speaker 2: actor who was speaking of leftist voices who annoy me.
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Speaker 2: But I'll invoke this real quick, the de Niro quote
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Speaker 2: the other day saying it's that that being told to
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Speaker 2: love America is like being in a relationship with with
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Speaker 2: an abusive spouse. You can't love a country where Trump
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Speaker 2: is president. That is so that is heartbreaking anybody would
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Speaker 2: feel that way or.
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Speaker 3: And I and I have to respectfully disagree with you
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Speaker 3: about the impossibility of unity. We've been there. We saw
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Speaker 3: it after nine to eleven. We were here for about
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Speaker 3: for about a month. But it was attitudinally. Yes, what
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Speaker 3: I really sort of I think I mean is ideologically
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Speaker 3: and in terms of our opinions. What happened was nine
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Speaker 3: to eleven made us forget our petty political differences. After
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Speaker 3: we started to heal up, which we were inevitably going
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Speaker 3: to do, we've it all kind of went back to
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Speaker 3: our natural corners and started to.
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Speaker 2: Which is fine.
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Speaker 3: But it took a long time though. And I I look,
19:08
Speaker 3: I was in New York City, where honking horns at
19:11
Speaker 3: one another is just like a normal greeting in the
19:15
Speaker 3: weeks and months. It was in the weeks and months
19:17
Speaker 3: after nine to eleven, nobody even honked their horn at
19:20
Speaker 3: each other in New York City. I would get on
19:22
Speaker 3: the Long Island Railroad every morning in Manhassett, Long Island,
19:26
Speaker 3: New York, and there would always, inevitably, evitably be a fight,
19:30
Speaker 3: an argument, people be yelling at each other. You know,
19:33
Speaker 3: living and working in New York is a stressful experience.
19:36
Speaker 3: There was none of that for weeks and weeks and
19:39
Speaker 3: maybe even months. There was a calm there was. It
19:43
Speaker 3: was it was us versus the bad guys. The bad
19:47
Speaker 3: guys did a terrible thing to New Yorkers, and New
19:51
Speaker 3: Yorkers responded with unity. It was like when George W.
19:55
Speaker 3: Bush stood on that rubble with the with the with
19:57
Speaker 3: that bullborn That moment will be etched in history, for
20:03
Speaker 3: I hear you, We all hear you, and the people
20:05
Speaker 3: who knock down these buildings are going to hear from
20:07
Speaker 3: all of us soon.
20:08
Speaker 2: Yeah.
20:09
Speaker 3: And he had his arm around one of the guys
20:12
Speaker 3: that was one of the hard hats that was down
20:14
Speaker 3: there on the pile, you know, trying to find bodies
20:17
Speaker 3: and body parts. I mean, we were unified. And I
20:23
Speaker 3: think about that with great fondness, even though it was
20:26
Speaker 3: a terrible time to be in New York, a terrible
20:28
Speaker 3: time frankly for the obviously the whole country in the world.
20:32
Speaker 3: But on the other hand, we can do it. We
20:35
Speaker 3: can be unified. I don't know what it takes.
20:38
Speaker 2: I don't know want to go back to that, but
20:41
Speaker 2: there was another attack or the aliens try to eat
20:43
Speaker 2: us all. And by the way, just having you take
20:46
Speaker 2: us back to that in terms of memory, you know,
20:48
Speaker 2: we get to do this in a couple of months.
20:50
Speaker 2: You know, certainly we'll devote at least one podcast episode
20:54
Speaker 2: to what is coming up mere weeks away, the twenty
20:56
Speaker 2: fifth anniversary of nine to eleven.
20:58
Speaker 3: Can you believe that's why to believe that was twenty
21:01
Speaker 3: five years ago? And and but but we were unified,
21:04
Speaker 3: and we are it's the and it's the last time
21:08
Speaker 3: mark that I could think of that we were.
21:10
Speaker 2: And I and any so it's I mean definition of words, Uh,
21:15
Speaker 2: we will never be unified in terms of opinion. We're
21:18
Speaker 2: gonna have disagreements, will always and we should have disagreements.
21:21
Speaker 2: It's fine, of course, it's debate, it's democracy. Et cetera,
21:24
Speaker 2: et cetera. But unified, and there should be some things
21:26
Speaker 2: that bring all Americans together, Like I love my country,
21:29
Speaker 2: Our country is worth defending. We will protect our country.
21:33
Speaker 2: I think we were pretty unified during World War Two.
21:35
Speaker 2: My parents told me that felt that way, and they
21:37
Speaker 2: were they were kids. You certainly have some experience there.
21:40
Speaker 2: So I'd like to think that it didn't take some
21:42
Speaker 2: horrible attack from some outward force to make us all
21:46
Speaker 2: at least come together under an umbrella of love of country.
21:49
Speaker 3: Well, I think it did. And again I just disagree
21:52
Speaker 3: with you. You seem to be kind of maybe I'm not.
21:55
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm not experiensing. We were, We were, We were
21:58
Speaker 3: unified in opinion after after nine eleven, of course it
22:02
Speaker 3: we just said we will never be unified in opinion.
22:05
Speaker 3: We were.
22:06
Speaker 2: Okay, did nine to eleven make all the pro choicers
22:10
Speaker 2: pro life?
22:11
Speaker 3: No, But but we weren't fighting about pro choice or
22:14
Speaker 3: pro life.
22:15
Speaker 2: When we set all that aside. Exactly, That's all I
22:17
Speaker 2: mean exactly.
22:18
Speaker 3: And the and the one opinion that we had was
22:20
Speaker 3: that we're we're the victims. We're the good guys, they're
22:24
Speaker 3: the bad guys.
22:25
Speaker 2: And we're going to get theirs and we're going to
22:26
Speaker 2: keep theirs.
22:27
Speaker 3: And we did exactly, and we did and and I
22:30
Speaker 3: think we were kind of unified after we got Osama
22:33
Speaker 3: Ben Laden. Now, I remember some pushback I got on
22:37
Speaker 3: the air and I said, I'll never forget that morning.
22:39
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22:41
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22:46
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22:49
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Speaker 3: The hardest time for me. We do these annual listener
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25:39
Speaker 3: when the eminem Experience and the Eminem Extra reaches massive heights,
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25:48
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25:52
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25:55
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25:57
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25:59
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26:05
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26:10
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26:57
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26:59
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27:03
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27:07
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27:13
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27:17
Speaker 3: So when we do all the stuff during the day,
27:20
Speaker 3: the we tour the Grand Cayman Islands or Jamaica, the
27:23
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27:25
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27:28
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27:32
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27:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, here, here's here's what not to do from Mike Goohead.
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Speaker 3: Right, don't try to book around us the first or
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27:52
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27:57
Speaker 3: I'm oh, yeah, yeah, Well i'll see you tonight. Well, no,
28:00
Speaker 3: we won't be there tonight because we're not here for
28:01
Speaker 3: the event. Now, I don't get recognized that much.
28:04
Speaker 1: You.
28:05
Speaker 3: I'm sure you get recognized plenty with all your Will
28:07
Speaker 3: Caine work and all the stuff you do at News Nation,
28:09
Speaker 3: but I don't get recognized very much in person. I
28:12
Speaker 3: was getting recognized everywhere I went, and they weren't with
28:15
Speaker 3: our group. Well, what we found out was people said, oh,
28:19
Speaker 3: the trip is November fourteenth through the twenty first Eurodamn
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Speaker 3: out of Fort Lauderdale. I'll book the trip. I'll save
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Speaker 3: a couple hundred bucks and I'll go direct through Holland America.
28:28
Speaker 3: The problem is you can't. You won't be admitted to
28:31
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28:38
Speaker 3: You gotta wear the badge right, and you don't get
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Speaker 3: girl on the outside looking in. We're not gonna let
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28:47
Speaker 2: You know, you don't want to walk the plank if
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28:52
Speaker 2: you won't be able to go to the We tried
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Speaker 3: It's gonna be a great trip. And someday Mark Davis, someday,
29:19
Speaker 3: Mark Lisa, maybe maybe Ethan we'll get you on a
29:23
Speaker 3: cruise ship, you know, although not hostile. Yeah, but is
29:27
Speaker 3: your wife hostile? Is your wife a version of the idea.
29:31
Speaker 3: She's not big on cruise.
29:32
Speaker 2: Ships's not not not a ship fan, but she's also
29:37
Speaker 2: never done it. I'd say, so it's you know.
29:40
Speaker 3: Denise dragged me on a cruise about thirty years ago.
29:44
Speaker 3: Whenever it was I thought, I'm gonna hate this. I
29:47
Speaker 3: am just despising this. I remember being aggravated and annoyed.
29:51
Speaker 2: Mark. It was the best face. It's the best vacation
29:53
Speaker 2: you could ever take. You you unpacked, you unpacked one time.
29:56
Speaker 3: And they treat you like a king and a queen.
29:59
Speaker 3: They are. The service on these cruise ships is unbelievable.
30:02
Speaker 3: The food is great, the entertainment is great, and the
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Speaker 3: eurodam Not only do they have a spa on the ship,
30:07
Speaker 3: which is right up my alley, mister massage, but a casino.
30:12
Speaker 3: There's there'd be a casino on this ship, that's right,
30:15
Speaker 3: a little blackjack, little wheel of fortune, slot machine. You're
30:19
Speaker 3: good to go.
30:19
Speaker 2: So crap, oh yeah, you name it.
30:22
Speaker 3: Craps. That red is that what you is? That red?
30:25
Speaker 3: Or black?
30:26
Speaker 2: That's right? Does stick with the help you out.
30:31
Speaker 3: But it will be a great it will be a
30:32
Speaker 3: great way to celebrate the patriotism and the love of
30:34
Speaker 3: country that we have. And that's that's what I.
30:36
Speaker 2: Like speaking of which what a perfect segue, just as
30:39
Speaker 2: I I think I segued quite by accident into something
30:41
Speaker 2: that was very opportune, as you have done for the
30:45
Speaker 2: maybe the last thing we can do, and maybe one
30:47
Speaker 2: of the most opportune and useful things. But especially having
30:50
Speaker 2: talked about unity, and here comes July fourth in a
30:53
Speaker 2: couple of days, Why oh why? And how did we
30:56
Speaker 2: get to this point? And I know it's very joy read,
30:58
Speaker 2: but it's more than her. I mean, it's some of
31:00
Speaker 2: these things are aside from race, How do we get
31:03
Speaker 2: to a point where love of country and enthusiasm of
31:06
Speaker 2: July fourth and embrace of our two hundred and fiftieth
31:08
Speaker 2: birthday is kind of a Republican thing. Where you mentioned
31:12
Speaker 2: walking around in Tampa and seeing all the flags and
31:15
Speaker 2: all the stuff, I'm going to guess that there's such
31:17
Speaker 2: a wave of patriotism that there are even some flags
31:19
Speaker 2: on some Democrat houses, but by and large it doesn't happen.
31:23
Speaker 2: Why is that It's.
31:25
Speaker 3: So strange and I'm glad you raised this because it's
31:28
Speaker 3: odd Democrats ought to be as patriotic as we are,
31:32
Speaker 3: but we know they're not. I think it's because there
31:35
Speaker 3: is a seething contempt that a lot of Democrats have
31:40
Speaker 3: for America. I think they feel that that America is
31:44
Speaker 3: not a great place. I hear it.
31:45
Speaker 2: And it's not just Trump. It is not just Trump.
31:47
Speaker 2: This was true pre Trump. It was true, it's pre Trump.
31:50
Speaker 2: I think they believe that you talk, there's the race issue,
31:53
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of people who believe on the
31:54
Speaker 2: left that we are an inherently racist nation. I don't
31:57
Speaker 2: think conservatives feel that way.
31:59
Speaker 3: We don't. We don't see the country. Does racism exist?
32:04
Speaker 3: You bet? Are we an inherently innately racist country? We
32:09
Speaker 3: are not. We saw eight years of Barack Obama. There
32:14
Speaker 3: are billionaires who've been successful at the highest echelons of
32:17
Speaker 3: entertainment and business. It's ridiculous to suggest that we are
32:22
Speaker 3: an inherently racist nation. But I think Democrats resented. It's
32:25
Speaker 3: a little bit like, you know, we did that thing
32:27
Speaker 3: with COVID a while ago. We revisited that if you're
32:31
Speaker 3: running around with a mask on, you're probably a liberal
32:35
Speaker 3: unless you have some kind of a you know, a
32:37
Speaker 3: health gid exactly.
32:38
Speaker 2: If there's something serious medical about you, but there's no
32:40
Speaker 2: medical reason if you're just wearing a mask. And there
32:44
Speaker 2: are people to this day who are wearing masks in
32:46
Speaker 2: public and they don't have a health condition, they are
32:50
Speaker 2: absolutely liberals. They are progression to the thoughts that are
32:55
Speaker 2: inside your head. I'd get to that point because once
32:58
Speaker 2: again we will start many any sentences with Mike and
33:01
Speaker 2: I are old enough to remember dot dot dot, when
33:04
Speaker 2: even Democrats, when people we disagreed with, still love the country,
33:08
Speaker 2: still hung a flag, still enjoyed July fourth. But I
33:11
Speaker 2: think you're really onto something too. Some of it is race.
33:13
Speaker 2: America is a racist hellholed So how can you love it?
33:16
Speaker 2: But also to be to be a patriot? What is
33:18
Speaker 2: sort of required of you? What comes with the territory,
33:21
Speaker 2: appreciation for our founding, of a high regard for our founders,
33:27
Speaker 2: a really high regard for the Constitution, our heritage, et cetera,
33:34
Speaker 2: et cetera. In the modern left, all those things are
33:37
Speaker 2: to be crapped on all of them, that the founders
33:39
Speaker 2: weren't that special, America ain't that great? Constitution? Can be
33:43
Speaker 2: toyed with at our whim. So those are things that
33:45
Speaker 2: can erode the high regard you would otherwise have for
33:48
Speaker 2: the country.
33:49
Speaker 3: It's all, it's all changeable to them. They want to
33:52
Speaker 3: change the Constitution, they really do. They want to pack
33:54
Speaker 3: the Supreme Court. They you know, we feel some of
33:58
Speaker 3: these things are unchangeable. We believe that the Constitution is
34:02
Speaker 3: sort of carved in stone. They want to change it.
34:04
Speaker 3: They think, remember the expression they like to use, the
34:07
Speaker 3: living breathing document, it's got to evol that's got to change. Nope, nope, nope.
34:13
Speaker 3: Now we want to come along with an amendment to
34:15
Speaker 3: the Constitution. Okay, we can do that someday, when, when,
34:18
Speaker 3: when necessary. But that's the difference. I think we we
34:22
Speaker 3: respect the Institution of America. They don't. They're not respectors
34:26
Speaker 3: of institutions. They don't like authority, they don't like they
34:31
Speaker 3: just they're just Look. I wrote a book Fifty Things
34:34
Speaker 3: Liberals Love to Hate, and it was a humorous romp
34:37
Speaker 3: into It was fun, I mean it was it was
34:40
Speaker 3: kind of all art Nascar steakhouses, you know, I mean,
34:45
Speaker 3: American flag lapel pins. But there was truth to that.
34:49
Speaker 3: I really believe that a lot of the things that
34:51
Speaker 3: Americans fundamentally respect and like and treasure. They don't people
34:56
Speaker 3: on the left, they like you said, they crap all
34:58
Speaker 3: over it. They don't like I'll ever forget the only
35:01
Speaker 3: time that my late friend Alan Colmes, who used to
35:05
Speaker 3: be a Fox News regular, and I loved Alan and
35:08
Speaker 3: disagreed with him on everything, but we always and they
35:12
Speaker 3: always paired me with him on Fox News, and back
35:15
Speaker 3: in the day he used to be the co host
35:17
Speaker 3: of Hannity and Colmes.
35:19
Speaker 2: The show was called Hannity and Colmes when it first started.
35:22
Speaker 3: Correct And when there was a night that I was
35:24
Speaker 3: a guest on Hannity and Colmes and I suggested that
35:28
Speaker 3: Democrats are less patriotic than Republicans. I thought he was
35:32
Speaker 3: going to come across the table at me because it.
35:34
Speaker 2: Wasn't true, because it wasn't true for him. But what
35:37
Speaker 2: you said was true, and there's no denying that it
35:41
Speaker 2: was true and is true. I don't know how to
35:44
Speaker 2: fix that. I wish I could prayer.
35:47
Speaker 3: Prayer. Let's pray for our country, Pray for our political enemies,
35:51
Speaker 3: Pray for our leaders. Prayer, patriotism. It all goes hand
35:56
Speaker 3: in hand with the love of country.
35:57
Speaker 2: It sure does. In a prayer of gratitude that you
36:00
Speaker 2: and I get to do this every day, the incredible
36:02
Speaker 2: life we get to lead, and the things we get
36:04
Speaker 2: to do, just talking with people, talking about this great
36:06
Speaker 2: country on its two hundred and fiftieth birthday and moving
36:09
Speaker 2: into the future. Just thank you God for helping for
36:12
Speaker 2: your hand in creating this magnificent land that we celebrate
36:15
Speaker 2: this coming weekend. I'm just so grateful to spend time
36:17
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