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Credlin | 29 January · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Kranlin live on sky Ingins Australia.
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Speaker 2: Really and truly we're not even in the AFLF season
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Speaker 2: in away going, christ Ketty, Good evening, Welcome to the program.
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Speaker 2: Here's what's coming up tonight on Kredlin, MP Labor, MP
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Speaker 2: ann Ali herself and Muslim reacts angrily to Scott Morrison's
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Speaker 2: call for Islamic reform in Australia and the alleged Bondai
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Speaker 2: killer revealed today to be getting his lawyers paid for
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Speaker 2: by the taxpayer. Beijing's threats if we take back the
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Speaker 2: port of Darwin and now very public clearly China's in Bolden.
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Speaker 3: Where's the Prime Minister?
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Speaker 2: He made this a big election issue and yet has
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Speaker 2: done nothing to take back control of the port despite
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Speaker 2: the big promises. A former army chief coming up. Plus
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Speaker 2: the inquiry that receives some seven hundred submissions that you'll
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Speaker 2: only be able to read one hundred and fifty of them.
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Speaker 2: That's what's happening in New South Wales as the government
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Speaker 2: there looks set to rush through hate speech laws. We
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Speaker 2: thought this federally, now it's happening at the States. Why
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Speaker 2: the secrecy and what does this mean for your rights
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Speaker 2: to speak your mind and the leadership stand off inside
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Speaker 2: the former Coalitionha, we've got a spill announced against the
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Speaker 2: NAT's leader.
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Speaker 3: Well, I don't think that's going anywhere.
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Speaker 2: Tonight, and an opso secret meeting amongst Conservatives today. On
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Speaker 2: the surface, we're told there's the leads in charge.
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Speaker 3: The reality is far from that.
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Speaker 2: There is no doubt that Susan is leader and she
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Speaker 2: has the support of the party room.
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Speaker 4: I support Susan, She's our leader.
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Speaker 5: The National Party split from us. I mean, it's tough stuff.
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Speaker 5: I haven't spoked to any of my liberal MP colleagues
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Speaker 5: or senators who have expressed concern to me about how
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Speaker 5: Susan managed that.
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Speaker 2: Surprise, surprise, they're all Susan Lee supporters. Maybe that's why
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Speaker 2: the phone's not ringing. But first we'll stay with that
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Speaker 2: issue because as things stand tonight, it's quite possible that
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Speaker 2: the chaos and the conservative side of politics will continue
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Speaker 2: for some time. Today, the two alternatives to Susan Lee,
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Speaker 2: Angus Taylor and Andrew Hasty, met privately in Melbourne prior
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Speaker 2: to attending the memorial service for their former colleague Katie Allen.
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Speaker 2: The problem is not that they met for a political
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Speaker 2: discussion on the day of a memorial service, as some
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Speaker 2: labor figures suggested, including two the Prime Minister who waited in.
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Speaker 6: I find it astonishing that there are meetings taking place
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Speaker 6: about the leadership of the Liberal Party on a day
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Speaker 6: such as today.
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Speaker 2: Goodness me, that's a chief and grubby shot from someone
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Speaker 2: who can't help himself with the low blow. I'd have
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Speaker 2: to say politics says what politicians talk about wherever they are,
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Speaker 2: believe me, even at weddings and funerals. It's the meeting,
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Speaker 2: the fact they had a meeting that doesn't seem to
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Speaker 2: have produced any agreement on the best way forward. That's
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Speaker 2: the issue and that's where the Liberals absolutely need to
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Speaker 2: stem the bleed. And while that stylemate continues, there's no
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Speaker 2: real opposition is there to speak of to hold a
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Speaker 2: bat a government and a poor prime minister to account.
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Speaker 2: One of those at the meeting, senior front benched James Patterson,
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Speaker 2: was on radio this morning saying that he supported the
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Speaker 2: leader and that he didn't anticipate any change.
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Speaker 1: I can't predict what all of my colleagues may or
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Speaker 1: may not do, but I can say that in my assessment,
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Speaker 1: Susan continues to enjoy the support of the majority of
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Speaker 1: the party room.
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Speaker 2: Well, what that says to me is that while Susan
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Speaker 2: Lee lacks the numbers to survive medium to long term,
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Speaker 2: neither of the potential challenges have got the numbers on
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Speaker 2: their own, and neither as yet has agreed or will
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Speaker 2: agree to give the other a clear run. So while
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Speaker 2: they go back and forth, she limbs on not because
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Speaker 2: anyone thinks she could turn the ship around. She survives
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Speaker 2: only because they can't decide who the next captain will be.
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Speaker 2: Now out today sprooking for Andrew Hasty was West Australian
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Speaker 2: MP Ben Small, who argued for Hasty on the grounds
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Speaker 2: of generational change.
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Speaker 3: Well, I disagree here.
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Speaker 2: What's important is not the age of the leader, but
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Speaker 2: whether he or she can actually lead. Has the leader
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Speaker 2: got policy convictions? Have they got personal and parliamentary authority
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Speaker 2: and they much needed political skills to unite the party
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Speaker 2: and reform the coalition? Do they have what it takes
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Speaker 2: to develop and get out and sell the policies that
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Speaker 2: Australians want to seek on issues like immigration and getting
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Speaker 2: inflation under control. What all this likely means is that
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Speaker 2: the Liberals and the Nationals, the ex coalition partners will
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Speaker 2: go into Parliament next Monday as a rebel. And never
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Speaker 2: more have we needed a strong oppos in this country
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Speaker 2: to hold a bad government to account. That's the travesty
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Speaker 2: of what's happening here under Lee's leadership. So what do
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Speaker 2: I think, or what do we all think will happen
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Speaker 2: next week? Almost certainly David Little Proud will face a
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Speaker 2: spill attempt, assuming of course, that his challenger can get
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Speaker 2: that motion seconded, and while it's unlikely to succeed, it
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Speaker 2: will provide the mover, Queensland MP Colin Boyce, with an
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Speaker 2: excuse to defect to one nation, thus adding to the chaos.
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Speaker 2: He says he won't move to the Cross Beach, but
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Speaker 2: we'll see. And while Susan Lee will likely limp on,
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Speaker 2: it won't be because her colleagues thinks she's viable. As
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Speaker 2: I said, if she survives, it's just that they can't
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Speaker 2: agree who comes next. If if Susan Lee named a
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Speaker 2: new shadow front bench to replace those departed National Party ones,
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Speaker 2: well that's just only going to entrench the split and
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Speaker 2: put off the reconciliation that's needed. It'll also mean that
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Speaker 2: dozens of staff will be sacked, adding to the chaos
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Speaker 2: and shambles. But if she goes into the Parliament without
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Speaker 2: feeling the dozen or so shadow front bench roles and
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Speaker 2: with the national sitting apart from the Liberals, an unworthy
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Speaker 2: and incompetent government will spend question time next week mocking
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Speaker 2: the opposition rather than having to justify its own policies
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Speaker 2: and the damage they are doing on energy and the
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Speaker 2: economy in particular. Now there is no doubt the Albanese
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Speaker 2: government's politically vulnerable if they were facing a competent and
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Speaker 2: united opposition. The government's energy policy is driving up your
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Speaker 2: power bills. They're going to high cover another twenty four
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Speaker 2: percent and say experts this year alone, and we're sending
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Speaker 2: manufacturing jobs offshore.
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Speaker 3: Predominantly to China.
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Speaker 2: The green obsessions of the left are jeopardizing the coal
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Speaker 2: and gas ex sports we absolutely depend on for our prosperity.
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Speaker 2: And the government's victimhood mindset means it can deport near
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Speaker 2: Nazis and prosecute right wing nutjobs. But it can't and
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Speaker 2: it won't deport the hate preachers of those who prosecute
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Speaker 2: the deals of radical Islam, and bad governments don't just
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Speaker 2: happen in Canberra. They hit you where it hurts. Because
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Speaker 2: inflation has spiked. Every homeowner's cost are all but certain
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Speaker 2: to go up next week when the RBA is forced
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Speaker 2: to raise interest rates. It's not my fault, says the
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Speaker 2: Treasurer of Jim Chalmers. Yet a key driver of inflation
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Speaker 2: is government spending, and that's gone on from twenty five
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Speaker 2: to twenty seven percent of GDP under this government, or
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Speaker 2: roughly fifty billion dollars a year. Yesterday, on the front
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Speaker 2: page of the Australian Financial Review, the Shadow Treasurer Ted
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Speaker 2: O'Brien expose that there's another few fifty billion dollars worth
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Speaker 2: of government spending hid it in the accounts when out
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Speaker 2: in December, right up against, of course, the Bondai massacre.
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Speaker 2: And that means that charmers claims of an eventual surplus
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Speaker 2: won't happen for the next ten years. Good on Ted O'Brien,
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Speaker 2: because that's a sort of policy grant that every front
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Speaker 2: bencher should be doing. It's a sort of hard work
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Speaker 2: that wins voter support. But he's almost alone here while
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Speaker 2: the rest of the party room run around bitching and
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Speaker 2: moaning amongst themselves. Scrapping over the spoils of opposition rather
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Speaker 2: than opposing a really bad government. Now, I think the
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Speaker 2: next few weeks will determine whether the Liberal Party and
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Speaker 2: the National Party can survive in their current form. Now
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Speaker 2: there's still people in the Liberal Party party ranks, the
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Speaker 2: parliamentary ranks whose characters are bigger than their egos and
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Speaker 2: whose dedication to a stronger Australia is there rather than
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Speaker 2: just chasing the next promotion, if they can't unite around
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Speaker 2: the leader with a clear policy to deal with the
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Speaker 2: energy train wreck, runaway record migration, the housing crisis and
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Speaker 2: the official disdain we're starting to have in this country
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Speaker 2: for our national symbols that it won't just be the
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Speaker 2: Liberal Party that suffers, it will.
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Speaker 3: Be our country.
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Speaker 2: Does the current crop of Liberal MPs have the conviction,
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Speaker 2: the courage, perhaps most of all, the character to lead
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Speaker 2: for our country's sake?
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Speaker 3: I hope.
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Speaker 2: So all right, let's get the headlines now. It's Guy
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Speaker 2: News political reporter Trinny McIntosh.
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Speaker 7: Clandestine talks between Susan Lee's two leadership rivals appear to
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Speaker 7: have resulted in a stalemate. Conservative rivals Andrew Hasty and
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Speaker 7: Angus Taylor snapped deriving its secret talks in Melbourne.
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Speaker 5: It could just be colleagues cat up. I don't really know.
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Speaker 7: So the timing just hours before the memorial for former
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Speaker 7: MP Katie Allen.
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Speaker 6: I find it astonishing that there are meetings taking place
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Speaker 6: about the leadership of the Liberal Party on a day
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Speaker 6: such as today.
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Speaker 7: Susan Lee's hold on the leadership is again in doubt
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Speaker 7: after the messy divorce with the Nationals. Wamp Ben Small
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Speaker 7: the first to endorse Andrew Hasty, publicly arguing he brings
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Speaker 7: a level of generational change that have heard people in
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Speaker 7: our community call for.
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Speaker 3: Quite clearly there's a move against her right now, but.
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Speaker 5: I haven't spiked any of my Liberal MP colleagues or
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Speaker 5: senators who have expressed concern to me about how Susan
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Speaker 5: managed that.
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Speaker 7: And National Cabinet will meet tomorrow morning in an attempt
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Speaker 7: to strike a hospital and disability funding deal. The Prime
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Speaker 7: Minister urging premiers to help curb the growth in the ndis.
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Speaker 6: We need to get under spending under control.
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Speaker 7: States are also demanding the Commonwealth stump up billions in
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Speaker 7: extra dollars public hospitals.
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Speaker 8: And of striking a deal in the next twenty four hours.
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Speaker 6: Well, it certainly is in the interests of all Australians
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Speaker 6: that that happened. We're on ATM. We have to make
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Speaker 6: sure that we're responsible going forward.
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Speaker 7: Trudy Macintosh, Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 2: Have really and truly is this the federal governments in ATM. Well,
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Speaker 2: we'll not tax space. I've been saying that to him
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Speaker 2: for a long time. Goodness me, let's stay with the
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Speaker 2: Liberal leadership. Let's bring in my panel now. Sky News
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Speaker 2: contributed Caroly Katz and Banas and host of The Power
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Speaker 2: Hour and Sky Digital Gabriella Power. Thank you both of
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Speaker 2: you for joining me here. I feel like we've been
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Speaker 2: talking about this ad nauseum, Carole, since we came back
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Speaker 2: from Christmas, all.
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Speaker 3: About the liberal leadership.
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Speaker 2: I will take the PM to task today trying to
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Speaker 2: make a political issue about the fact that two MPs
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Speaker 2: caught up this morning, plenty of time well before Memorial Service.
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Speaker 2: They didn't have their chat on the steps of the
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Speaker 2: cathedral in Melbourne. They met privately around breakfast time, then
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Speaker 2: they went to the service for their colleagues.
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Speaker 3: I think it's a grubby attack.
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Speaker 2: People have been saying for numbers of days now they
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Speaker 2: should get together. They should talk and sort this out.
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Speaker 2: You've got to do this stuff face to face. I
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Speaker 2: think that they were absolutely within their rights to meet
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Speaker 2: this morning.
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Speaker 9: Absolutely, Peter.
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Speaker 4: I mean Andrew Hasty is from Western Australia and Angus
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Speaker 4: Taylor is from New South Wales. They've had a chance
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Speaker 4: to meet in Melbourne. They've then gone and paid their
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Speaker 4: respects to their former colleague. But I also find it
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Speaker 4: quite astonishing that Anthony Albanizi seems far more interested in
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Speaker 4: what's going on, because he's more interested in not having
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Speaker 4: an effective opposition or opposition leader who can really take
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Speaker 4: the fight up to him, because it's in his interest
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Speaker 4: for it not to be resolved. There was no need
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Speaker 4: for his comment. What he should be interested and focused
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Speaker 4: on is the living standards of Australians. He should be
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Speaker 4: focused on this letter's interest rate, right. He should also
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Speaker 4: be focused on what the RBA will do next week,
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Speaker 4: because of course we know that there are a generation
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Speaker 4: of Australians that have taken advantage of this five percent
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Speaker 4: housing deposit rate, but that will get a rude awakening
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Speaker 4: when the banks raise their rates next week. The other
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Speaker 4: thing also is perhaps it's astonishing that he actually isn't
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Speaker 4: changing tack and putting AZO and aces the Australian Secret
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Speaker 4: Intelligence Service back into the National Security Council. That's what
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Speaker 4: he actually should be focused on. And it is a
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Speaker 4: shot that he's taken which is way below the belt
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Speaker 4: with what he did today. And Australians need cost of
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Speaker 4: living relief, they need things to also change, and he's
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Speaker 4: actually not doing that. He's not governing for Australians.
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Speaker 2: I said at the top of the show, from all
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Speaker 2: the calls I made today, I don't think there's going
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Speaker 2: to be a leadership change next week because not that
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Speaker 2: Susan Lee has got any extra support from their colleagues.
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Speaker 2: They can't decide on the Conservative side who is going
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Speaker 2: to be the front runner here, and of course if
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Speaker 2: they both run, they'll split the vote on the Conservative side.
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Speaker 2: I made this point in The Australian. I think I've
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Speaker 2: made it every night here on the show. I think
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Speaker 2: the Libs are really in trouble. I think the coalition
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Speaker 2: absolutely is in trouble. It's broken twice in under twelve
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Speaker 2: months under Susan Lee and had held fast for decades
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Speaker 2: under previous Liberal Party leaders. But what's happened here The
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Speaker 2: growth of one nation is not just a niggle, it's
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Speaker 2: not a little protest vote. It's got certainly got momentum
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Speaker 2: behind them, and in a number of polls, including news
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Speaker 2: poll including Sky's Pulse yesterday, they've now overtaken consistently the coalition.
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Speaker 2: So Lib's reading me and these are not all conservative
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Speaker 2: Libs too. Just to point, Libs have wrung me today
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Speaker 2: and said Pete's spot on. If now that we are
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Speaker 2: in trouble and if those in the party room don't
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Speaker 2: get it, we'll never get out of trouble.
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Speaker 10: I'm yet to speak to an Australian that thinks the
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Speaker 10: Liberal Party is doing a good job. And it's been
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Speaker 10: like that for some time now. I mean, the reality
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Speaker 10: is it's been getting worse and worse under Susan Lee's leadership.
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Speaker 10: I give her credit for her work during the Bondi attack,
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Speaker 10: but really since the election last year, she's been losing
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Speaker 10: support of voters. She's been flip flopping on issues. I mean,
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Speaker 10: she couldn't even handle the net zero issue. She can't
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Speaker 10: unify the party. There's now this problem.
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Speaker 9: With the nuts.
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Speaker 10: Of course, of course it makes sense that we're now
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Speaker 10: seeing this huge rise in support for one nation. I
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Speaker 10: mean Australians have been crying out for a leader who
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Speaker 10: can lead, and they've been crying out for an opposition
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Speaker 10: and an actual opposition that can hold the Albanezy government
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Speaker 10: to account. I think what's being reflected in the polls
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Speaker 10: is being reflected on the ground. Rather what we're seeing
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Speaker 10: in the polls is being reflected on the ground. Just
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Speaker 10: with having conversations with different people, I'm hearing about one
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Speaker 10: nation a lot more than I ever have before. I mean,
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Speaker 10: people are really speaking out and showing their support for
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Speaker 10: Pauline Hanson, who wouldn't have a few years ago.
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Speaker 9: They're now running to one nation.
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Speaker 10: And you look at Pauline Hanson, whether you like her
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Speaker 10: or not, you know exactly who she is and what
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Speaker 10: she stands for.
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Speaker 9: She's tough on immigration.
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Speaker 10: Looking at that Sky News poll that was released yesterday,
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Speaker 10: obviously immigration is a huge issue. Australians want to see
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Speaker 10: immigration numbers come down.
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Speaker 9: So it doesn't surprise me at all.
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Speaker 10: With Andrew Hasty and Angus Taylor, I think I was
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Speaker 10: happy to see the meeting today. There's been so much
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Speaker 10: speculation for so long, really, since the end of last year.
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Speaker 10: People have been wanting to see a change. Is that
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Speaker 10: going to be enough to actually save the Liberal Party
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Speaker 10: to turn this around. I don't know if a new
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Speaker 10: leader is going to be enough, Peter. It's really going
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Speaker 10: to take a lot of hard work to burn back
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Speaker 10: the support and earn back the trust of voters.
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Speaker 2: If I just changed the personnel without changing the back end,
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Speaker 2: the policies and the fight that they take it up
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Speaker 2: to the government and the policies they put out to
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Speaker 2: the Australian people, nothing much will change.
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Speaker 3: They will not move the needle.
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Speaker 2: And you're right to point out, you know, I guess
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Speaker 2: the general feeling we all had that Susan Lee was
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Speaker 2: doing well with empathy in particular and holding the government
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Speaker 2: to account in and around the Bondou massacre. But let's
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Speaker 2: not forget when she came back to Parliament and it
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Speaker 2: was that Monday that News poll came out. She had
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Speaker 2: a shocking result. One nation was a head in the
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Speaker 2: news poll. She'd fallen even further on the primary vote,
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Speaker 2: and that's before they even opposed and then imploded over
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Speaker 2: those hate speech laws.
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Speaker 3: So as much as we might.
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Speaker 2: Say she's decent, and she's certainly likable, and she's doing
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Speaker 2: a good job. It's not being something that she's getting
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Speaker 2: any credit for. With punters, they have moved on and
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Speaker 2: I think they're at the point now. And Carolyn, you
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Speaker 2: know this well in politics, when they stop listening to
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Speaker 2: you and as what you do, you can't get them
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Speaker 2: back on your team. Look at the opportunity there is
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Speaker 2: with labor. Look at that inflation data out yesterday. Not
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Speaker 2: just bad numbers and not just the likelihood we're going
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Speaker 2: to see a rat increase next week, but also this,
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Speaker 2: this juvenile behavior from the Treasurer splashed across all of
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Speaker 2: the papers today. Nothing to do with me, he says,
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Speaker 2: nothing to do with the government. Come on, here's the
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Speaker 2: bloke that signs the checks.
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Speaker 3: He's spending.
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Speaker 2: Every expert says government spending is driving inflation.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely, Jim Chalmers and Ale Anthony Albanezi. They're always happy
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Speaker 4: to take the credit when the number is full, but
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Speaker 4: not when the reality actually hits them in the face.
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Speaker 4: The bottom line is we do have an issue in
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Speaker 4: this country. Government spending is out of control. Anthony Albanezi.
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Speaker 4: You showed the grab before the NDA is spending that
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Speaker 4: is out of control. They don't have anything they you know,
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Speaker 4: they've done the thing with childcare. Did they really think
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Speaker 4: that providing childcare and all these subsidies, it's great that
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Speaker 4: the workers have got a wage increase, but that comes
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Speaker 4: from taxpayer. Did they surely did not think that the
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Speaker 4: childcare centers and operators would actually put their fees up
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Speaker 4: as well. They're treating the taxpayer like a money tree continuously.
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Speaker 4: The problem is that we need to have a serious debate.
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Speaker 4: As you've outlined many times on your show, Peter, that
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Speaker 4: immigration is far too high. Migration is far too high,
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Speaker 4: there's a lack of housing, there's you know, the interest rates.
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Speaker 4: As I said, five percent deposit. People have taken it
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Speaker 4: out suddenly because they've trusted what this government has said
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Speaker 4: about being able to buy a property with a five
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Speaker 4: percent deposit. Let's see what happens at the end of
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Speaker 4: next week when the reality actually hits. Young Australians that
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Speaker 4: have got their dream of going into home ownership. Everything
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Speaker 4: is out of control. They are not listening to what
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Speaker 4: the RBA has warned them about. The RBO made it
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Speaker 4: very clear they want the rate between two and three percent.
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Speaker 4: That is not happening. The government has to stop spending
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Speaker 4: the money that it does not have to actually mate.
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Speaker 4: If you can't change what you don't acknowledge, and if
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Speaker 4: Anthony Albernsi does not acknowledge that there is a problem
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Speaker 4: in this country, and Jim Chalmers that there is a
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Speaker 4: problem with what they are doing with the money that
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Speaker 4: they are applying to various programs, nothing is actually going
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Speaker 4: to change.
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Speaker 3: We call it leva within our means.
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Speaker 2: We all have to do it, and I've watched the
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Speaker 2: Jim Chalmers doesn't know what those words mean. Let's go
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Speaker 2: to those comments from the Multicultural Affairs Minister and Ali
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Speaker 2: who has a background out of Egypt.
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Speaker 3: She's a Muslim.
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Speaker 2: Of course she had a crack at Scott Morrison after
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Speaker 2: you gave what I would regard as a very level
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Speaker 2: headed speech calling for reform within Islamic institutions in Australia.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen.
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Speaker 11: I think it's incredibly irresponsible and I also think it's
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Speaker 11: incredibly disappointing because it draws on historical stereotypes and a
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Speaker 11: historical trope that continually puts the blame and responsibility and
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Speaker 11: the burden on Muslim communities to take advantage or something
21:09
Speaker 11: like the Bondai attacks to assoc seats of discourse is
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Speaker 11: absolutely abhorrent and should be rejected.
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, Powe, I don't think there's anything
21:20
Speaker 2: historical about radical Islam. It was there in front of
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Speaker 2: us in Australia allegedly, i'll stay allegedly because of one
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Speaker 2: of them before the courts in December.
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Speaker 3: That's not historical to me.
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Speaker 10: No, No, what's the argument here not to push for
21:37
Speaker 10: strong standards, because that's what Scott Morrison was arguing for
21:42
Speaker 10: Muslim leaders to push for strong standards to call out
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Speaker 10: radical Islam.
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Speaker 9: He made the point that.
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Speaker 10: These two alleged terrorists were allegedly radicalized in Sydney. This
21:53
Speaker 10: happened in Sydney and there is a genuine concern that
21:56
Speaker 10: is very much still.
21:57
Speaker 9: Here that there are others that are radical lies.
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Speaker 10: It may have slipped through the cracks. And so I
22:03
Speaker 10: commend Scott Morrison for showing leadership and for we need
22:06
Speaker 10: to speak frankly about this issue. This is a real
22:10
Speaker 10: threat to parts of the West radical Islam, and I
22:13
Speaker 10: think what Scott Morrison was putting forward was very reasonable.
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Speaker 10: He was talking about licensing preachers and setting up a
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Speaker 10: board to police radicals.
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Speaker 9: I mean, I don't know what's wrong with that at all.
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Speaker 2: I have made this point many times, Caroline. I'll end
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Speaker 2: on this point. In the media. We have a responsibility
22:34
Speaker 2: to call it as we see it. And if my
22:36
Speaker 2: case it's the Catholic Church, church I have written, I've
22:40
Speaker 2: spoken out, you know, not in my name. I want
22:43
Speaker 2: the church to reform where I think it needs to reform.
22:46
Speaker 2: And I think it's incumbent on all the public celebrity
22:50
Speaker 2: type Muslims or in this case a parliamentary Muslim to
22:54
Speaker 2: get into this space to demand there is change, you know,
22:56
Speaker 2: not in my name, not in the name of Islam.
22:59
Speaker 2: If it is a religion of piece says, they want
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Speaker 2: to keep telling us over and over again not to
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Speaker 2: have this happen on their watch amongst their tribe. And
23:06
Speaker 2: I think this is where she is absolutely letting down
23:10
Speaker 2: not just her people, but her country.
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Speaker 4: And look, can I also say doctor arn Ali she
23:18
Speaker 4: is now Multicultural Affairs Minister. Before she entered Parliament, she
23:23
Speaker 4: was doctor ann Ali. She still is doctor arn Ali.
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Speaker 4: She was a counter terrorism expert specializing in the deradicalization
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Speaker 4: of youth. People can go and google it. So you
23:35
Speaker 4: know what she's now got her platform. What is she
23:38
Speaker 4: prepared to put forward because you can't deny that there
23:41
Speaker 4: are Australian born people who are being radicalized, whether it's online,
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Speaker 4: whether it's with lay preachers within the Muslim community. And
23:51
Speaker 4: there is a difference between radical Islam and Islam. But
23:56
Speaker 4: when you have the Prime Minister who can't actually say
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Speaker 4: the word radical Islam under any circumstances, that is the problem.
24:04
Speaker 4: And I would imagine that an Arlei would like to
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Speaker 4: protect her cabinet position and we'll just fall in line
24:10
Speaker 4: the same as all of them.
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Speaker 3: This is her opportunity.
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Speaker 2: In Anthony Albaniz, if you didn't know.
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Speaker 4: That, you've got ann Arali right there, give her the
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Speaker 4: platform to actually put forward some changes. I note that
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Speaker 4: no one has actually brought that up. It is widely
24:23
Speaker 4: known in Western Australia and as I said, she's a
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Speaker 4: counter terrorism de radicalization expert. So Annali puts something forward.
24:32
Speaker 4: Because whether you like it or not, Scott Morrison has
24:35
Speaker 4: made some valid points, a couple of them a little
24:37
Speaker 4: bit clumsy. But this is your platform. Now you are
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Speaker 4: the minister. You can actually make a change for the
24:43
Speaker 4: good of Australia that you always say you want to.
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Speaker 2: My day, we've got two hundred and thirty plus confirmed
24:52
Speaker 2: by our intelligence experts in Australia in those deradicalized programs.
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Speaker 3: I'll also make a secondary point before I move on.
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Speaker 2: Right around the world, there are plenty of reports, expert
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Speaker 2: reports to say those programs don't work.
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Speaker 3: But neither way. We'll leave that there. Thank you to you.
25:07
Speaker 2: Both legal experts as well as political and religious groups
25:11
Speaker 2: have raised concerns about the speed and secrecy of a
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Speaker 2: New South Wales parliamentary committee on these new hate laws.
25:18
Speaker 2: These are the state based laws for New South Wales.
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Speaker 2: The committee is due to deliver its report to the
25:23
Speaker 2: Parliament by the end of next week, but it has
25:27
Speaker 2: not held any public hearings and only one hundred and
25:31
Speaker 2: fifty of the seven hundred submissions have been published. This
25:36
Speaker 2: comes on the back of those very rushed hate speech
25:39
Speaker 2: laws passed through the Federal Parliament last week. Joting been
25:42
Speaker 2: now to discuss this and a couple of other legal
25:44
Speaker 2: issues I want to get to as well. The Australian's
25:47
Speaker 2: Legal Affairs contributor and the Vice President the Rule of
25:50
Speaker 2: Law Institute, Chris Merrit. Chris, welcome to the show for
25:54
Speaker 2: the start of what I suspect will be a busy
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Speaker 2: Yet again, what's the risk do you think an inquiry
26:01
Speaker 2: like this being done so quickly?
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Speaker 12: Well, we saw an example of what could happen in
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Speaker 12: Federal Parliament just a couple of weeks ago. Flawed laws,
26:11
Speaker 12: badly drafted, rushed through parliament, fall over it the first
26:15
Speaker 12: little bit of opposition. That's what happened to the proposed
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Speaker 12: Federal Racial Vilification Bill.
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Speaker 9: It was just pulled.
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Speaker 12: It didn't even last a week. Now, I suspect what's
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Speaker 12: going on in New South Wales could go exactly the
26:30
Speaker 12: same way, but for a different reason. I think the
26:34
Speaker 12: problem in New South Wales is that they've already got
26:37
Speaker 12: plenty of law. They've got a law against inciting racial violence,
26:42
Speaker 12: they've got a law against inciting racial hatred. No, as
26:45
Speaker 12: I understand it, what they're thinking about doing is banning
26:50
Speaker 12: phrases such as globalizing into FADA. Now, I would have
26:53
Speaker 12: thought that those two existing laws would have been enough
26:58
Speaker 12: to cover the field inciting violence or they're inciting hatred
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Speaker 12: all on the basis of race. But bottom line, this
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Speaker 12: parliamentary process misses the point the future of any law
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Speaker 12: that would ban statements such as that, such as ban
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Speaker 12: the into FARDA or globalize the into FARDA. More likely
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Speaker 12: that will rest not with politicians in New South Wales.
27:25
Speaker 12: It will rest with the High Court. There will inevitably
27:27
Speaker 12: be a constitutional challenge that will raise the implied constitutional
27:33
Speaker 12: freedom to engage in political discussion. And where it goes
27:39
Speaker 12: from there is anyone's bet. The High Court is all
27:41
Speaker 12: over the place. One judge hates thet this implied freedom,
27:45
Speaker 12: the others have got disagreements between them on how it
27:49
Speaker 12: should be applied. If it was me, I'd be focusing
27:52
Speaker 12: on the law that's already on the books in New
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Speaker 12: South Wales.
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Speaker 3: We'll leave it there. Thank you, Chris.
27:57
Speaker 2: So you won't believe one energy minister trying to blame
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Speaker 2: everyone else but our own failures given the grid and
28:06
Speaker 2: high temperatures across the country. Welcome back still the camp
28:15
Speaker 2: for now overt threats coming from the Chinese embassy in
28:18
Speaker 2: Australia about returning to the Port of Darwin to Australian control,
28:22
Speaker 2: as promised by the Prime Minister during last year's elected campaign.
28:26
Speaker 2: A former army boss coming up. But now to the
28:29
Speaker 2: state of center right politics in this country and the
28:32
Speaker 2: once minor coalition relationship that is in tatters tonight as
28:36
Speaker 2: the party is prepared to return to Canberra over the
28:38
Speaker 2: weekend as announced yesterday. National's MP Colin Boyce says he'll
28:42
Speaker 2: move a leadership's fill motion against David Little Proud, but
28:46
Speaker 2: that threat doesn't appear to be going anywhere. I've not
28:49
Speaker 2: been able to find anyone today who is seconding the motion.
28:54
Speaker 2: Colleagues went out pretty hard in the media, Adam and
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Speaker 2: two that the party is united.
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Speaker 8: The party room is very united given our actions last week,
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Speaker 8: and they were actions that our leader are facilitated.
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Speaker 3: Pet to discuss this.
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Speaker 2: Another issues to Nationals MP And Webster, who holds the
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Speaker 2: Victorian seat of Malley in the States West, and will
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Speaker 2: David Little Proud still be leading the party Monday night.
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Speaker 8: Peter, if I actually bet, I would bet with one
29:27
Speaker 8: hundred percent surety that David will be our leader Monday night.
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Speaker 8: I don't know where Colin's thinking was. He wasn't actually
29:36
Speaker 8: in the party room for any of the discussions that
29:40
Speaker 8: led to us saying no to this legislation. He came
29:43
Speaker 8: to his own conclusions, of course, and voted no. But
29:47
Speaker 8: we are backing David Little Proud. I've got to say,
29:51
Speaker 8: I am incredibly disappointed in those shadow It would appear ministers,
29:58
Speaker 8: if the quotes are true, who have anonymously slandered David's leadership.
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Speaker 8: And I made a point the other day in media.
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Speaker 8: My view is that if you are going to make
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Speaker 8: a defamatory statement, put your name to it. And I
30:15
Speaker 8: would say to media as well, you should be asking
30:19
Speaker 8: for people's names or not printing what they're saying, because
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Speaker 8: it is It just brings politics lower and the bar
30:27
Speaker 8: at this moment is pretty low, and we've got to
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Speaker 8: raise it.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if you caught my show last week,
30:35
Speaker 2: but I back in your comments there that the National
30:37
Speaker 2: Party were actually inside the coalition rules for all.
30:41
Speaker 3: The process reasons. Last week. You had a view to.
30:45
Speaker 2: Oppose the bills. The coalition originally had that view. So
30:48
Speaker 2: the Liberal Party had that view, they changed their mind,
30:50
Speaker 2: it went to a shadow cabinet. It was incumbent on
30:54
Speaker 2: susan leader. Then take that position to a joint party
30:57
Speaker 2: and either get you to change your mind or agree
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Speaker 2: to stand aside as two separate parties.
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Speaker 3: She did not do that.
31:05
Speaker 2: And I've seen countless messages and spoken to countless Libs
31:09
Speaker 2: who were told they were waiting around for many hours
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Speaker 2: for a shadow Cabins sorry for a joint party rem
31:14
Speaker 2: meeting that never happened. So I want to speak up
31:17
Speaker 2: there in defense of the Nationals. So if Colin wasn't
31:20
Speaker 2: in any of these meetings, and if Colin voted for so,
31:26
Speaker 2: he voted against the legislation alongside every other National MP,
31:31
Speaker 2: then what's his grounds to move against the leader?
31:34
Speaker 3: And if it doesn't look.
31:36
Speaker 2: Like he's got in his support and I can't find
31:38
Speaker 2: anyone who's willing to at least tell me that they
31:40
Speaker 2: will second his motion, what's the long game here? Is
31:43
Speaker 2: this an attempt to quit the party perhaps and move
31:46
Speaker 2: to the cross bench of Summer saying look, Peter, I
31:53
Speaker 2: absolutely give you credit for your analysis last week and
31:57
Speaker 2: it was spot on and the joint party room did
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Speaker 2: not take place. In terms of Colin's perspective, Colin's going
32:05
Speaker 2: to have to answer that. I'm sure that I will
32:07
Speaker 2: hear what he's got to say on Monday when we
32:10
Speaker 2: go back to Canberra.
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Speaker 3: What we want to do in the National.
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Speaker 8: Party is move on and fight for our regional seats
32:19
Speaker 8: because we are being hammered by bad policy, by bad
32:22
Speaker 8: legislation and standing against the hate speech laws, standing against
32:27
Speaker 8: the gun reform laws was just one of the many
32:31
Speaker 8: things that the nationals have banded together to do. We
32:36
Speaker 8: absolutely are appalled at what has gone through the House
32:41
Speaker 8: under this labor government.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's get to some of the issues that
32:45
Speaker 2: actually impacting people in your area. Particularly I spoke to
32:49
Speaker 2: people in the Malley and of course the temperatures up
32:52
Speaker 2: there were close to fifty degrees. They lost power for
32:56
Speaker 2: six seven hours on Tuesday when it was incredibly hot.
33:02
Speaker 2: The state Energy Minister, Lily Danbrosio's come out and basically said,
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Speaker 2: it's nothing to do with the government or the government's policies.
33:10
Speaker 2: It's all an issue for the energy companies.
33:14
Speaker 3: What would you say to that.
33:18
Speaker 8: Look, when I read that report, I just immediately went
33:22
Speaker 8: back to my childhood, the Three Stooges and the Victorian
33:26
Speaker 8: labor government and the fact that they will take no responsibility.
33:31
Speaker 8: But like federal labor government, take no responsibility when things
33:35
Speaker 8: go wrong. She is the minister. The awful legislation that
33:41
Speaker 8: she has put through which railroads, farming communities. We are
33:46
Speaker 8: continually seeing the damage that is going on, and it's
33:50
Speaker 8: a damage of trust.
33:52
Speaker 3: That's the thing.
33:53
Speaker 8: That really really disappoints me is that my farming communities
33:58
Speaker 8: are appalled at government and it's very easy for people
34:02
Speaker 8: to just throw everybody in matt bucket. And I understand
34:05
Speaker 8: the frustration, but the Labor government in particular in Victoria
34:10
Speaker 8: has just ridden roughshod over our farming community. They're doing
34:14
Speaker 8: consultations through the harvest period, through the bushfire period when
34:20
Speaker 8: our farmers are actually the CFA volunteers. They want to
34:24
Speaker 8: tax our farmers and meanwhile not supply the equipment that
34:28
Speaker 8: they need. I just think, honestly, the November election can't
34:33
Speaker 8: come on soon enough, and I just am really crossing
34:37
Speaker 8: my fingers that the government changes.
34:42
Speaker 2: Well, good luck in Canberra next week. Hopefully you can
34:46
Speaker 2: get the opposition back on tract. The National Party can
34:49
Speaker 2: be the stiffness in the spine. I think that the
34:51
Speaker 2: coalition needs that Liberal Party certainly needs a Webster. Thank
34:54
Speaker 2: you right, willieve it there. Let's go to the breakout
34:57
Speaker 2: of the break China no longer threatening us behind closed
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Speaker 2: doors anymore. The Embassy has gone public bears, the ambassador
35:05
Speaker 2: there going hard on the Prime Minister over his promise
35:08
Speaker 2: to sort out the ownership of the Port of Darwin.
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Speaker 2: The PM says he'll do it. Nothing's happened yet, why
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Speaker 2: is that not the case? Welcome back a good friend
35:23
Speaker 2: has reminded me of the Prime Minister's hypocrisy today because
35:28
Speaker 2: Labor moved a spill motion on the very day of
35:32
Speaker 2: the apology, the National Apology to mothers in particular of
35:37
Speaker 2: forced adoption. There was a lot of discussed then, and
35:41
Speaker 2: of course Labor sacked Kim Beasley as Opposition leader on
35:46
Speaker 2: the day that his brother suddenly died. So let's not
35:50
Speaker 2: have any hollow words from the Prime Minister about a
35:54
Speaker 2: meeting happening hours before a meeting, only hours before a
35:59
Speaker 2: leadership a memorial service for a Liberal colleague in Melbourne.
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Speaker 3: Let's go now, though, to that issue.
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Speaker 2: Out of Beijing, China's ambassador to Australia has made clear
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Speaker 2: that China will retaliate if the government tries to buy
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Speaker 2: back the port of Darwin, which is currently on a
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Speaker 2: ninety nine year leads to China's land Bridge Group were
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Speaker 2: aware of the position of the suit of government.
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Speaker 13: They want to take it back, Sokov took back to
36:25
Speaker 13: the Australia's hands. The Chinese company is just similarly operating
36:29
Speaker 13: on our lease basis and starting from last year then
36:34
Speaker 13: Dunport has stopped losing money and start to maave money.
36:39
Speaker 13: Suddenly we're here that the Government Australia want to take
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Speaker 13: it back, so I really question the ethic.
36:47
Speaker 2: Value joining me now to discuss this retired Brigade Air
36:52
Speaker 2: former Army Director General in Langford and thank you for
36:56
Speaker 2: your time. We're really seeing the retric escalate here about
37:01
Speaker 2: the port that we'll get to Taiwan, but about Taiwan
37:04
Speaker 2: as well in a moment.
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Speaker 3: There's a menace there that.
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Speaker 2: We're seeing from the ambassador very early in this year.
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Speaker 3: How do you read this?
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Speaker 14: Thanks Peter, and good evening to your viewers. I think
37:17
Speaker 14: we'll worry a diplomacy is back. I mean we all
37:19
Speaker 14: understand from twenty twenty in the attempts by the PRC
37:23
Speaker 14: then to intimidate Australia through TARIS and threats around our
37:27
Speaker 14: public discourse regarding Taiwan and China's role in the world
37:31
Speaker 14: and sort of what that meant in terms of us
37:33
Speaker 14: being persecuted internationally. That kind of went away when it
37:36
Speaker 14: was proven not to be effective. But I think with
37:39
Speaker 14: increased confidence that China now has in a changing world order.
37:43
Speaker 14: It now feels confident enough to reassert its interests plainly
37:47
Speaker 14: in public, by making clear its displeasure around Australia's intent
37:53
Speaker 14: to follow through on the PM's election promise to reacquire
37:57
Speaker 14: the Port of Dawen. I mean there is a fair
38:00
Speaker 14: discourse around the commercial sensitivities, and as the Chinese ambassador
38:04
Speaker 14: supposedly outlined, the profit making business that he's worried about
38:08
Speaker 14: is being sold off for other reasons, but honorately, from
38:11
Speaker 14: an Australian interest perspective, this is about security. It's about
38:15
Speaker 14: locking up a key part of critical infrastructure in Northern
38:19
Speaker 14: Australia as it relates to military power projection and essential
38:23
Speaker 14: trade routes. So when I hear this discussion around the
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Speaker 14: Port of Darwin, I think it's important in Australia's interests
38:29
Speaker 14: that we articulate its significance as a military and as
38:33
Speaker 14: an intelligence target and we need to protect that. And
38:36
Speaker 14: that really is fundamentally the reasons for the PM again
38:39
Speaker 14: making that election commitment to reacquire, noting of course that
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Speaker 14: the Chinese will be upset by that. But this is
38:45
Speaker 14: what statecraft looks like in twenty twenty five and we
38:48
Speaker 14: must follow through in that order.
38:52
Speaker 3: And just quickly.
38:53
Speaker 2: You know, for commercial reasons, the PM is not going
38:56
Speaker 2: to necessarily telegraph where they're up to. But are you
39:00
Speaker 2: getting a sense that is actually happening.
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Speaker 14: I think it has to. I mean, the PM's got
39:06
Speaker 14: a choice. He can either upset the PRC or he
39:10
Speaker 14: cannot deliver on an election promise. So in terms of
39:13
Speaker 14: public trust and national interests, there's that dimension to it.
39:16
Speaker 14: And at the end of the day, this will cost
39:18
Speaker 14: us to remediate the errors of leasing it to that
39:21
Speaker 14: company in the first instance. So the choice, I believe
39:25
Speaker 14: is not how much and why. I think it's essential
39:27
Speaker 14: that we get on with that and secure our interests
39:29
Speaker 14: going forward.
39:32
Speaker 2: All right, what do you make not just of his comments,
39:36
Speaker 2: the ambassadors comments in relation to Taiwan basically saying that
39:40
Speaker 2: will be punishment or retribution for Australia. We need to
39:43
Speaker 2: remember what side of the argument we should be on
39:46
Speaker 2: at the.
39:46
Speaker 3: Start of the year.
39:47
Speaker 2: But there was also that speech from President g very
39:52
Speaker 2: very stern in relation to Taiwan. And of course we've
39:56
Speaker 2: seen coming out of the last week bok of a
40:00
Speaker 2: military realignment, the removal of generals, a whole lot of
40:05
Speaker 2: sort of backroom gossip as to the reasons why talk
40:08
Speaker 2: of leaking of secrets on nuclear to the United States.
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Speaker 3: Give us again you read here, well.
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Speaker 14: I think again. In terms of great power competition in
40:19
Speaker 14: eastern North Asia, this is now President gy and the
40:22
Speaker 14: PRC itself asserting its dominance as it relates to the
40:26
Speaker 14: western parts of the Pacific Ocean, and China is really
40:30
Speaker 14: focused on Taiwan as bringing as a catalyst the reordering
40:34
Speaker 14: of global power in that part of the world with
40:36
Speaker 14: them as its head. We saw the Justice Mission twenty
40:40
Speaker 14: five exercise of about a month ago, which saw twenty
40:43
Speaker 14: eight ships one hundred and thirty aircraft effectively blockade Taiwan
40:47
Speaker 14: in international waters on its eastern approaches. We've seen a
40:51
Speaker 14: reordering of command and control in the PLA which cements
40:55
Speaker 14: z as the commander in chief both in name and
40:58
Speaker 14: in practice, and in that unified command structure, it obviously
41:02
Speaker 14: reduces the time from him making a decision to action,
41:05
Speaker 14: which could be an indicator and warning around preparations for
41:08
Speaker 14: military action in that part of the world.
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Speaker 2: I'm just about at a time in but I don't
41:15
Speaker 2: want to leave you without getting a quick comedy.
41:18
Speaker 3: If I can please.
41:18
Speaker 2: In those comments from President Trump today, he talked about
41:21
Speaker 2: his beautiful Amata ships on their way to Iran and
41:25
Speaker 2: obviously what we've seen there in the last month or so.
41:28
Speaker 3: Where is this headed?
41:31
Speaker 14: Well, the US have three reasons, I think, to build
41:34
Speaker 14: pressure and potentially provide a military response as it relates
41:37
Speaker 14: to Iran's refusal to abandon its nuclear program, its persecution
41:41
Speaker 14: and the atrocity is committed in the past three weeks,
41:44
Speaker 14: and also it's continued antagonism towards Israel, which is obviously
41:47
Speaker 14: a US alloy, and the region. So the proposition I
41:50
Speaker 14: think is sound from a national interest perspective. The real
41:53
Speaker 14: question is the what for and what next as it
41:56
Speaker 14: relates to what the US do and obviously what the
41:58
Speaker 14: Iranians choose to respond with.
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Speaker 3: It's fabruh. I'll leave it there and lang thank you.
42:05
Speaker 2: After the break, there are staggering, staggering your crime figures
42:10
Speaker 2: out of Victoria. A former detective, Charlie Passina joins me
42:14
Speaker 2: in compartment right now to the crackdown or supposed crackdown
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Speaker 2: from Victoria police targeting youth gangs with tough anti association
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Speaker 2: orders and firearm bands. Following similarly, endless weeks of stabbings
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Speaker 2: and gun crime link to organized crime networks here to
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Speaker 2: discuss this and more. Former Victorian homicide detective Charlie Bersina Charlie,
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Speaker 2: thank you for your time.
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Speaker 3: We've got some shocking.
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Speaker 2: Statistics out here in Victoria. We'll put them up there
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Speaker 2: on the screen as screen. It is constant, it is relentless.
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Speaker 2: I know as every Victorian's got around. We barely know
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Speaker 2: anyone at the moment who has not been touched by
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Speaker 2: crime in this state. It's all demographics that are copying it,
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Speaker 2: all suburbs that are copping it. Are these laws what
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Speaker 2: police need and will we see a difference?
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Speaker 15: Short answer, No, the laws are impractical, that they're too restrictive.
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Speaker 15: Adding these anti association laws on the under eighteens do it.
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Speaker 15: It's not workable. The restrictions upon that upon the police
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Speaker 15: officers to look at other alternatives before they can do things,
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Speaker 15: look at other diversions. They've got to then look at
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Speaker 15: the age of the child, the family, the other deterrence
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Speaker 15: that they can put in place before they go and
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Speaker 15: when they decide to do that, then the senior officers
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Speaker 15: going then approve it. So they've got to go there
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Speaker 15: and then IBAC oversee that all over the place afterwards.
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Speaker 15: So it's like the adult anti association laws that were
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Speaker 15: brought in in twenty fifteen.
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Speaker 3: People have been jard because of that.
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Speaker 15: Zero No one's been charged with it ARB charge. It's
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Speaker 15: too restrictive. It can't be done. Being back the old
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Speaker 15: consorting laws when I was policing three bookings for consorting
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Speaker 15: and you've gone mandated twelve months imprisonment, second offense two
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Speaker 15: years imprisonment. So the great Government of the day did
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Speaker 15: away with that and they said, no, you've got this
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Speaker 15: endy association laws for the adults. Twenty fifteen. Not one
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Speaker 15: person's been charged because it's too restrictive.
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Speaker 2: So this then looks like it's a pr solution for
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Speaker 2: a premier in an election year.
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Speaker 15: Smoke and mirrors, it's all it is, look what I'm doing.
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Speaker 15: But it's ineffective. So the community, who aren't really a
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Speaker 15: FAI with the legislation as such, and look I looked
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Speaker 15: at it again today, is confusing a litt alone to
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Speaker 15: a young police officer. So basically it's not workable. But
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Speaker 15: the communities say, oh great, this new legislation is coming
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Speaker 15: in and then we'll just see what happens. Okay, breach
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Speaker 15: of an order. But the still tended courts are so
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Speaker 15: so tentative with children and they'll continue to be so.
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Speaker 3: Here.
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Speaker 2: We just had a case though, and it's been in
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Speaker 2: the papers today of a magistrate basically getting frustrated with
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Speaker 2: a young offender in the court the revol door, and
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Speaker 2: the magistrate i think said what we would all probably
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Speaker 2: say in the situation, basically, why are you here? What's
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Speaker 2: the point of view existing on? What's the point of
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Speaker 2: you being born if you're just going to have a
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Speaker 2: life of crime and you're not listening and you know
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Speaker 2: it's a revolving door. And he has been reprimanded now
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Speaker 2: as a result.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, look, certainly we accept that certain standards we want
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Speaker 15: from judiciary and basically it just shows that he's human
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Speaker 15: and basically he showed the frustrations but shows the control
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Speaker 15: that we're very critical of judges and magistrates, but they're
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Speaker 15: bound by the legislation they've got to inflict upon the offenders,
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Speaker 15: but they're driven by the government.
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Speaker 2: What are police saying to you in an election year
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Speaker 2: they would love to see on the table that they
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Speaker 2: need to help them keep Victorian safe.
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Speaker 15: They need stronger powers to be able to do that.
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Speaker 15: The other nonsense we've just had. A prime example is
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Speaker 15: we had the Chief comission of Bush come out and
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Speaker 15: have the designated areas put that in place for the
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Speaker 15: docklands right through for six months. That legislation has always
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Speaker 15: been there, but he's the first Chief Commissioner to do that.
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Speaker 15: Then we had two I don't know, the greenies of
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Speaker 15: some sort who went to the Federal court and the
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Speaker 15: judge sided with pulled.
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Speaker 2: The legislat you pulled the permit. He allowed them to
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Speaker 2: wear the face masks again, he didn't let it write
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Speaker 2: out for the whole six months.
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Speaker 15: Correct, No, exactly. The federal judge said, no, you're not
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Speaker 15: going to do it. I think they're still in limbo
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Speaker 15: about the face masks. But it's interesting when I read
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Speaker 15: further about it. The government have got the power. And
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Speaker 15: the other the big red herring we've got is the
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Speaker 15: Human Rights Charter that Hulls board in years ago. Now
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Speaker 15: the human Rights Charter we on the dummies. Queensland have
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Speaker 15: got it. Act you have got it and Victoria you
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Speaker 15: have got it. And that's a big issue and the
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Speaker 15: government can override that and say you know what. The
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Speaker 15: community safety comes first. We're going to not take notice
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Speaker 15: of the federal hearing or the decision, and we will
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Speaker 15: allow the police to have that's.
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Speaker 3: Keeping requires political will. I got to leave it there.
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Speaker 3: I love it there again, I say it.
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Speaker 2: He should be the police commissioner or a police minister
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Speaker 2: or something. You tell me that as well, I'll leave
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Speaker 2: it there. Have a lovely weekend, stay cool if it's
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Speaker 2: hot at your way.
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Speaker 3: I'll see you on Monday. Here's Andrew