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The Bill Gates Epstein Related Congressional Transcripts (Part 12) (6/29/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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  where he left off with the Bill Gates testimony in
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  front of Congress. Question looking at the second meeting reflected
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  in his schedule, which is the eleven thirty meeting at
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  Leon Black's office, Did that meeting take place? Answer? Yes,
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  it did. Question okay, and had you previously met mister Black? Answer?
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  I had not. Question do you have an understanding as
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  to Jeffrey Epstein's relationship with Leon Black? Answer no, to
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  this day, I find that somewhat unclear. Question did he
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  make any representation to you in that regard? Answer? Well,
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  mister Epstein came along for these meetings, and so you know,
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  mister Epstein didn't speak up much in these meetings because
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  it was kind of a chance for me to pull
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  the person about, Hey, how were they thinking of philanthropy broadly?
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  And did you you know where were they going to
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  do something substantial? And was global health the potential are
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  you to give to? And we met a few doesn't
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  show it here, but we met a few other people
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  in that office, the Apollo offices where that meeting took place.
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  Question and do you recall who those people were? Answer?
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  We met with Josh Harris for a period. I think
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  I got the name right. Question anyone else? Answer no,
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  I mean there were people around, but the two specific
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  meetings I remember were with Leon Black first and then
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  Josh a shorter meeting with him later. Question did you
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  ever become aware of Leon Black engaging in any sort
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  of sexual relationship with any woman or girl connected to
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  Jeffrey Epstein? Answer no. Question The next meeting is Exhibit F.
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  It's at twelve pm, and it's a meeting with Larry Summers.
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  If I understood you correctly, that meeting did not happen?
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  Answer yeah, I don't know anything about that. I never
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  heard his name in connection with the agenda for this day.
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  Question and then the following entry refers to a two
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  pm meeting with mort Zuckerman. Did that meeting happen? Answer yes?
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  Question okay, And according to this entry it took place
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  if I'm reading it correctly, either at mister Gate's residence
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  or at the Four Seasons. Do you recall the location?
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  Answer it was not at mister Epstein's residence. To my recollection,
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  I think it was at the Four Seasons question and
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  you had previously met mister Zuckerman. Answer I had not.
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  Question okay, And do you recall the discussion at that meeting. Answer?
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  It was about his philanthropic thinking, and like the others,
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  he was polite and praise to the work I was
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  doing without showing a near term interest in giving substantial
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  sums to global health. Question was anyone else present at
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  the meeting? Answer? I think mister Epstein sat in on
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  that meeting. Question and finally in this calendar entry at
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  three to three thirty pm with Kathy Rumler at the
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  four Seasons, I take it that meeting did take place.
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  Answer it did. Question okay, but you mentioned that was
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  one that was not focused on a perspective donation. Answer,
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  that's right. Question okay. So what was the subject of
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  that meeting? Answer? I'm not quite sure why he added
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  her to the calendar this day. I give him some
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  discretion on that. I think that meeting, as I recall it,
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  talked about politics and the Trump administration. I think it
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  was more talking about what was going on politically. You know,
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  he may have been working towards suggesting I involve her
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  in some of my work in some way, but that
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  never happened. Oh, sorry, I refer to it would have
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  talked about political things, but this is during the Obama presidency,
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  so it certainly didn't refer to Trump because I didn't
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  anticipate his future presidency. Question thank you. It's my understanding
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  that your former wife had reservations about Jeffrey Epstein and
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  your interaction with him. Is that accurate? Answer? Definitely? Question
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  did it ever enter your mind or did you ever
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  become aware of Jeffrey Epstein using or attempting to use
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  Kathy Rumler to try and asuge those concerns? Answer my
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  ex wife, Melinda. I don't believe ever met with or
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  talked to Kathy Rumler. Question No further questions on this exhibit.
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  Thank you. I will finally ask the court reporter to
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  mark as exhibit G an email dated January thirteenth, twenty
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  nineteen from Jeffrey Epstein to you Bates number E F
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  t AR one zero one seventy nine five five five eight,
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  mister Gates, which one were dacted? It's this one Gates? Okay?
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  Question mister Gates, have you ever seen this email before? Answer?
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  I don't think so. No. There came a time when
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  I no longer looked at email from mister Epstein to me,
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  and this is in twenty nineteen, and my last contact
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  with him was in twenty fourteen. Question, I'll just read
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  the text of this brief email for the record. December third,
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  twenty thirteen, Comma, Washington, DC, meeting Equal Sign at airport.
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  Larry said you'd had no recollection, or at least he
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  was not aware of your request and our conversation. Odd
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  Looking at this email today, do you have any understanding
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  as to what meeting mister Epstein was referring to? Answer? Well,
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  I did. Let me look at the chronology to double
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  check this, but I do think I had a meeting
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  with Epstein at the National Airport FBO on that day.
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  Question and do you recall the subject of that meeting. Answer?
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  That would have been about the philanthropic work. I was
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  in DC for other reasons. He was asking to meet me.
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  I was getting on a plane there and there's a
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  conference room there, and we went in there and had
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  a fairly brief conversation. Question do you understand Larry referred
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  to in the body of this email as Larry Cohen? Answer? Okay,
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  I'm guessing, but yes, the only thing that would make sense,
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  is that that would be Larry Cohen. Question, do you
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  have a recollection of discussing with Cohen at or about
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  this time your previous interaction with Jeffrey Epstein. Answer? Well,
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  as I've gone through the emails that came out in January,
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  it looks like Epstein was trying to suggest that I
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  had some connection to the payments he made with respect
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  to the Bridge Player, and seemed to be saying to
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  Larry not in this email, but I I think it's
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  some prior thing that I saw that I had requested
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  him to make those payments, and that's completely false. Question
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  and again looking at the email as you sit here today,
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  do you understand this communication from Jeffrey Epstein to be
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  part of that context part of the general gets cut
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  off by Gates? It could be I'd be speculating, but
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  it's consistent with that idea. Question, all right, nothing further
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  on this exhibit question, mister Gates, You've mentioned a couple
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  of times today photos that were taken of you and
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  various Epstein assistants and associates. We have some of those
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  photos that were produced to us by Epstein's estate, So
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  we're going to show you some of those and ask
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  you a few questions. Gates, okay, question, I'll start by
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  introducing minority exhibits H and I. Question, mister Gates, I
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  believe these are both photos of you and a woman
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  nam Or dacted. Is that correct answer? I have no
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  idea what her name is. Question. You were never introduced
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  to her? Answer? I was not question, but you met her,
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  and presumably both of these occasions and others you were
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  introduced by Epstein. Is that correct answer? No, I've never
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  met her. Question, but you're standing next to her. Answer,
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  that is correct question. So it was just for the
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  photo answer at the end of the meeting. I don't
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  know if this is the same woman, and they're both
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  redacted and unredacted versions of this photo. This one, I
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  can say is at National Airport after the December third
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  meeting that I just discussed with your colleague. At the
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  end of that meeting, she was with Epstein, and as
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  I walk down this hallway, you can see it says
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  signature there. He asked that I take a photo with her,
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  and he took a photo. Question and mister Gates, for
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  the record, you're describing exhibit H. Question, Yes, mister Gates,
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  it says h. Question, so could you just remind us
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  what year this was? Answer? So that was twenty thirteen,
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  December third, twenty thirteen. Question to your recollection, was this
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  the first time you ever encountered her? Answer? I have
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  no idea, but I never s spent any meaningful time.
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  I don't recognize her. I was never introduced to her.
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  Question understood. And then looking at exhibit I it's another
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  photo of I'll represent this is the same woman. Where
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  was this taken? Answer? Can we look at chronology? We
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  believe this was taken at the end of the meeting
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  on February twenty seventh, twenty thirteen, after a meeting at
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  the Four Seasons. Question was there anyone else there? Answer? Oh, yeah,
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  there's Epstein and other people doctor Nikolic. Question the other
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  people that were attending that meeting. Answer she was not
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  in the meeting, but at the end of the meeting.
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  This was another case where he asked me to take
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  a photo with one of his assistants, which I did.
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  Question Epstein asked you to answer yes, question did he
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  take the photo? Answer? I think so? Yes. Question understood.
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  And your understanding of their relationship was that she was
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  his administrative assistant. Is that correct? Answer? I knew she
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  came with him and didn't sit in on the meeting,
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  and so I made that guess. But I was never
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  told that her connection Depstein or what it was. Question
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  understood and did you ever become aware of Epstein's axually
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  abusing this woman? Answer? No question, Thank you. I'm now
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  going to introduce minority exhibit Jay. Question, this is a
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  photo of you and a group of individuals. Could you
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  please identify who the people are? Answer? I recognize myself.
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  I don't recognize anyone else in the photo. What do
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  you know about when I was taken? Question? I was
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  actually planning to ask you that we don't have the
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  dates on these photos, so Gates cuts them off. But
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  do you know who these people are? Question? I'm asking you.
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  We are aware that this is the same woman as
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  the previous photos redacted, but we were hoping that you
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  would identify the other individual in the photo redacted, indicating
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  that the first woman from the right hand side of
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  the photo. Gates, where is this taken? Question? That's the
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  question that we have for you. We don't have any
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  context when we get these photos. There's no date with them,
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  and we aren't aware of where this is being taken,
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  so we're hoping that you could provide some context for us. Answer.
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  I don't recall this photo being taken. I mean there's
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  kind of a distinct stuff in the background. I would
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  assume that somebody was serious about this they could figure
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  out where it was taken. Question you have no recollection
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  of being in the room or with these individuals. Answer? No,
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  question understood. I'll now introduce minority Exhibit K. Mister Moran. Sorry,
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  this has been Mark Kay redacted. Question. Yes Moran, thank you.
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  Question mister Gates, could you please identify the individuals in
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  this photo? Gates, it's interesting all of these are unredacted.
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  On the left is I think it's Terry Rod Larson.
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  There's a small chance, as jaglined, but that's a Norwegian.
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  Then there's me, Then there's one of Epstein's admin assistants,
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  Then there's Epstein himself. And we can identify the date
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  this is taken. I believe somewhere in Epstein's New York residence.
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  And this is when after dinner, David Blain kam over
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  and was doing several magic tricks and one or two
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  of the admin staate while he did those tricks. I
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  was not introduced, so I don't know the name. Question
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  And mister Gates, just for the record, when you're identifying
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  these individuals, you're moving from the left to the right
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  across Exhibit K. Mister Gates, that's right. And we think
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  this is after a February after a February twenty seventh,
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  twenty thirteen dinner at Epstein's residence. Question, okay, that makes sense.
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  The only other question I have for you on this
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  photo is you said the admin assistant stayed. They weren't
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  at the dinner and they came after. Is that correct? Answer?
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  They may have been in another room in the residence.
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  They were not at the dinner. Question and then they
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  came for mister Blaine. Answer, well, we went to a
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  different room from the magic trick. That may have been
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  where they had been the whole time. I don't know
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  where they were during dinner. Question understood. And this first
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  woman holding the card i'll represent that is also redacted?
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  Who was in the three previous photos? Are you aware
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  of who the other woman is? Answer? No, question Were
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  you weren't introduced to either of them? Answer? I was not.
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  All right, folks, We're gonna wrap up right here, and
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  in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna
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  pick up where we left off. All the information that
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