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Cult Mom Lori Vallow Sex Affair W/'Prophet' Detailed in 'NOVEL' Before Murders · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece.
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  Speaker 2: Does it never end with Coultmom Laurie Valo. Well, obviously
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  Speaker 2: the answer to that is no. I'mansie Grace. This is
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  Speaker 2: Crime Stories. Thanks for being with us here at Fox Nation.
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  Speaker 2: In Sirius XM one eleven, cultmom Laurie Valo on trial
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  Speaker 2: for multiple murders, including those of her own children, JJ
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  Speaker 2: and Tylee. Now, according to her, she had nothing to
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  Speaker 2: do with it, and she has plenty of people that
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  Speaker 2: she thinks are going to take the fall. I disagree.
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  Speaker 2: So where did the whole thing start? Well, it started
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  Speaker 2: with sex. That's where it started. But I would suggest yes,
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  Speaker 2: for the jury's purposes, it started with an email. Take
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  Speaker 2: a listen to this.
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  Speaker 3: Charles at Right Planning Group email address to TAMMYT Davel
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  Speaker 3: at gmail dot com on June thirtieth, at twenty nineteen,
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  Speaker 3: at ten sixteen am. The subject line in the email
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  Speaker 3: is your husband and my wife and the body of
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  Speaker 3: the email reading are having an affair. Her name is
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  Speaker 3: Lori Vaalo. I've got definite proof or definitive proof. If
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  Speaker 3: you care to see it, contact me and I'll share
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  Speaker 3: it with you. It's devastating, I know, but the truth
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  Speaker 3: needs to be shown.
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  Speaker 4: Charles Vallow And from your review of the device, were
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  Speaker 4: you able to determine whether or not Tammy Dabo would
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  Speaker 4: have actually read these emails?
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  Speaker 3: I did contact at least Sugar Salem School District and
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  Speaker 3: asked if those were read. There's no indication that they were.
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  Speaker 3: They said they could have been deleted, read and deleted,
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  Speaker 3: or just deleted. But there's no indication.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, wait a minute, Wait a minute, so they were deleted.
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  Speaker 2: You know what, just ask yourself if you got an email,
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  Speaker 2: who on the subject line? Which is basically all I
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  Speaker 2: ever read anyway, Sorry, Jackie, your husband and my wife,
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  Speaker 2: who in their right mind wouldn't read that? Of course
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  Speaker 2: she read it with me an all star panel to
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  Speaker 2: make sense of what we know right now. But you know, first,
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  Speaker 2: let me go to Tara Malek out of that jurisdiction Idaho.
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  Speaker 2: She's a high profile lawyer and co owner Smith and Malick.
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  Speaker 2: Now in addition to having your own firm, she's a
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  Speaker 2: former state and federal prosecutor. That's not easy, Tara. Please,
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  Speaker 2: let's just get real for a moment. Who is going
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  Speaker 2: to pretend that Tammy Dabill did not read that Your
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  Speaker 2: husband and my wife. That's the headline.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's completely unreasonable to think that she
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  Speaker 5: wouldn't have at least opened that email and read it.
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  Speaker 5: I think most of us were seeing a headline or
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  Speaker 5: a subject line like that in a meal. Of course,
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  Speaker 5: we're going to jump in and figure out what's going on.
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  Speaker 5: Even if she just deleted it later, it certainly doesn't
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  Speaker 5: mean that she didn't at least take a look. I'm
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  Speaker 5: sure her interest was piqued.
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  Speaker 2: Also joining me high profile psychologists joining us out of
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  Speaker 2: Manhattan is Karen Stark. You can find her at Karenstark
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  Speaker 2: dot com. That's Karen with a C. Karen. Really. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: even if it just said your husband at the top
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  Speaker 2: of an email, I would read it because he would
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  Speaker 2: say your husband. If somebody wrote about David, I might
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  Speaker 2: pause because it's obviously somebody that knows me that's sending
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  Speaker 2: me something. Maybe it's about his birthday or they ran
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  Speaker 2: into mit McDonald's. But your husband and my wife, no,
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  Speaker 2: I would read that pronto. They were they kidding.
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  Speaker 6: Of course, of.
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  Speaker 7: Course anybody would read it. Nancy. I mean, you want,
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  Speaker 7: you want to know somebody has some information for you,
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  Speaker 7: But it's pretty amazing how much people will ignore something
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  Speaker 7: like that if they don't want to disrupt their marriage,
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  Speaker 7: and I know it's really hard to believe.
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  Speaker 2: Wait a minute, I don't like what you said, but
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  Speaker 2: as far as analyzing this case, I'm interested in what
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  Speaker 2: you said because you know how women. I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: go to you just to say Robin's reap, because I'm
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  Speaker 2: sure you have a lot to say on this. A
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  Speaker 2: lot of people they don't want to know the spouse
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  Speaker 2: is cheating. I mean, they're all the signs. Do I
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  Speaker 2: even have to say? Lipstick on your collar, told the
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  Speaker 2: tail on you blah blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 7: We're dating ourselves, Nancy.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, right, Hey, that was my grandmother's song. So what
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying is you may put on blinders and you
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  Speaker 2: just don't see because you don't want to see, or
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  Speaker 2: you trust and love the person so much that you
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  Speaker 2: don't see it. But I mean an email. Are you
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  Speaker 2: suggesting in that same line of reasoning that Tammy Dabaill
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  Speaker 2: may have just said I'm not reading that and deleted it.
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  Speaker 7: Well, even if she read it, what I'm suggesting is
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  Speaker 7: that denial is very strong, and I feel quite positive
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  Speaker 7: that she did not want to deal with that news
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  Speaker 7: that it was not something that she wanted to pay
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  Speaker 7: attention to because it would disrupt her life.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me right now, Nate Eaton, newsdirector East Idaho News
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  Speaker 2: dot Com has been in the courtroom from the very beginning.
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  Speaker 2: Listen to this theory. It's a good one from Jackie
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  Speaker 2: right there. Or Chad deleted because Lourie. First of all,
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  Speaker 2: we do not refer to accused killers by their first name.
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  Speaker 2: As you know, we had that out over OJ Simpson. Chad,
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  Speaker 2: what about this, Nate? Chad dave Bail the prophet deleted
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  Speaker 2: that email sent to his wife after Lori Valo told
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  Speaker 2: him that her husband was sending the email. Could that
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  Speaker 2: have happened?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, it's quite possible because the detective said that Chad
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  Speaker 8: and Laurie were crafting emails pretending to be Charles Valo.
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  Speaker 8: They sent an email pretending to be Charles to Chad saying,
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  Speaker 8: please come immediately and help me write this book.
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  Speaker 2: Well you're going too fast. You're making my head hurt. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: slow down, Nate eighton what.
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  Speaker 8: There was an email that Chad Davell received, allegedly from
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  Speaker 8: Charles Valow saying I would love to fly you to
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  Speaker 8: our house. You can stay with us. I want to
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  Speaker 8: write a book with you. I want to write my biography.
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  Speaker 8: This needs to happen immediately. Please respond immediately.
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  Speaker 2: I don't say Charles Valo is the kind of guy
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  Speaker 2: that wanted to write his biography. And I'm just basing
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  Speaker 2: that on everything I've gleaned from his friends and relatives.
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  Speaker 2: He just seemed like a hard working guy that loved
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  Speaker 2: his children and was wondering what happened to his wife.
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  Speaker 8: And he found the email and confronted me, see.
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  Speaker 2: Me get my head around that night eating. Do you
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  Speaker 2: know how I would fall out if David Lynch came
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  Speaker 2: home one day and said, I'm going to write my biography?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, what, write your biography? Just stop right there, ladies.
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  Speaker 2: If your husband came home with said he was going
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  Speaker 2: to write his biography, okay, I just had to digest that.
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  Speaker 2: Nate eat, Okay, go ahead, Nate. That's a lie right there. Oh.
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  Speaker 2: I wish I could argue this to the jury. Go ahead.
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  Speaker 8: Charles found it. Charles found that email, confronted Laurie over
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  Speaker 8: text message, which they read in court, gave her a deadline,
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  Speaker 8: said you need to let me know by sutching such
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  Speaker 8: a time, what is happening here? And that's when he
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  Speaker 8: then reached out to Tammy with the email you just played,
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  Speaker 8: saying they're having the affair. But Chad was involved with
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  Speaker 8: all of these emails, he very well could have gotten
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  Speaker 8: and delete him. Although that email did go to two
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  Speaker 8: email addresses, her work email and her personal email. Of course,
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  Speaker 8: we don't know if Chad had access to the work email,
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  Speaker 8: and the detectives say they don't know if she actually
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  Speaker 8: ever read it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Robin Drake is joining me, behavior expert, former FBI
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  Speaker 2: Special Agent, chief of FBI counter Intelligence Behavioral Analysis Program.
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  Speaker 2: That's certainly a mouthful author of Sizing people up, a
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  Speaker 2: veteran FBI agent's manual for behavior prediction. I'm getting more
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  Speaker 2: and more and more impressed with every word I read.
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  Speaker 2: You can find Robin at peopleformula dot com. Robin, is
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  Speaker 2: there any way in h E double L Tammy did
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  Speaker 2: not read this email title your husband my wife?
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  Speaker 6: I think one hundred percent she read it because it's
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  Speaker 6: a lever of infolance choosing curiosity.
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  Speaker 8: And that's what.
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  Speaker 6: I listen theers do, is they put something down there
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  Speaker 6: going to entice someone and read it. What I found
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  Speaker 6: also really interesting is the theme of writing a book
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  Speaker 6: and a memoir, because Laurie's dad tried that same kind
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  Speaker 6: of thing years ago. You know, human behavior starts when
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  Speaker 6: we were young, and it generally has a thread for
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  Speaker 6: our lives, and with all the death around Laurie and
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  Speaker 6: then that theme, that's kind of an odd parental thing
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  Speaker 6: when she was younger, with whe her dad was doing.
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  Speaker 8: It was interesting that.
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  Speaker 6: They would use that as a letter of maybe making
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  Speaker 6: someone feel safe.
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  Speaker 2: Now, Jackie's furiously waiving that they had been married thirty
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  Speaker 2: years and they shared everything. But you know what, that
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  Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily mean they read each other's emails. Rob and
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  Speaker 2: Drake joining me. Behavior expert Karin, you can have a
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  Speaker 2: cup of tea right now because you've heard this story before.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to read my husband's emails because one
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  Speaker 2: time I decided I was going to investigate his every activity.
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  Speaker 2: I tried to read his emails. They were awful. He's
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  Speaker 2: a quote business person. They were the most boring. I
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  Speaker 2: went through about I tried to go through about ninety.
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  Speaker 2: I got through about ten. My eyes were bleeding. I
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  Speaker 2: nearly died of boredom that that was it never again.
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  Speaker 2: So the whole reading each other's emails and following them
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  Speaker 2: and reading their text. If you're at that point, you
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  Speaker 2: might as well get a divorce because all the trust
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  Speaker 2: is gone. If you can't let the person out of
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  Speaker 2: your sight. I mean, that's just too much trouble. Would
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  Speaker 2: you agree with that, Robin Drake, as he's sitting there
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  Speaker 2: reading his wife's emails, go ahead, yeah, one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 6: You know, when trust is lost, what happens is just
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  Speaker 6: like you described, Nancy, is that there's a feeling of
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  Speaker 6: being unsafe and that there's aspects of their lives that
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  Speaker 6: they're trying to hide. And the only way to try
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  Speaker 6: to regain trust is have full transparency in that aspect
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  Speaker 6: of their life that they felt they lost that trust in.
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  Speaker 6: And so that's what inspires someone to do those types
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  Speaker 6: of things. And when you, like you're describing, when you
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  Speaker 6: read your spouse's emails and bore you to living tears,
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  Speaker 6: that's when you know, well, then we have full transparency
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  Speaker 6: and there's nothing going on here.
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  Speaker 2: And by the way, he caught me reading them too.
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  Speaker 2: He caught me reading them, so he was very unconcerned
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  Speaker 2: and I was snooping through his emails and I caught
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  Speaker 2: him being good again. I can't ever catch him doing
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  Speaker 2: anything wrong. Can we get back off me reading David's
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  Speaker 2: emails that one time to this case? And this is
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  Speaker 2: a great question for everybody on this panel, including you,
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  Speaker 2: doctor g and Gorniac, renowned medical examiner, and joining us
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  Speaker 2: out of Vegas. Never a lack of business in Vegas, everybody.
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  Speaker 2: I want you to hear a real brain twister for
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  Speaker 2: a lot of prosecutors, but I don't think it's gonna
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  Speaker 2: bother this prosecutor one bit. I want you to hear
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  Speaker 2: defense attorney John Thomas Cross examining to take to ray
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  Speaker 2: Hermercio because if Lord Vallo cult mom Laurie Valley was
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  Speaker 2: absolutely in Hawaii, how is the prosecutor going to prove
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  Speaker 2: she murdered Tammy Dave Bell.
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  Speaker 9: Listen with regards to the death of Tammy jay Bel.
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  Speaker 10: Tammy Davill died on October the nineteenth, twenty nineteen, as
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  Speaker 10: far as you know, right, yes, sir, okay, And do
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  Speaker 10: you know where Lourie Daville was on October the nineteenth
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  Speaker 10: or I'm sorry, at that time she was Loriie Fallow.
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  Speaker 10: Do you know where Laurie Vallo was on October the nineteenth,
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  Speaker 10: twenty nineteen.
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  Speaker 8: I do.
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  Speaker 2: Where was she Hawaii?
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  Speaker 10: Okay? So she wasn't anywhere near Tammy Daville when Tammy
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  Speaker 10: Davell died.
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  Speaker 2: That's correct, Okay. Defends the trained John Thomas. Two words
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  Speaker 2: for you, wishful thinking.
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  Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Tara Malik joining us out of Idaho, this jurisdiction. These
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  Speaker 2: prosecutors were prepared for that, and that's how you win
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  Speaker 2: a case. You anticipate what the other side is going
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  Speaker 2: to do and then you shoot it down before it happens.
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  Speaker 2: Because she is charged with conspiracy to commit murder and
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  Speaker 2: a couple of first degree murders, how do you sort
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  Speaker 2: out what you just heard, Tara, because she absolutely called
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  Speaker 2: mom Lauria Valley was nowhere near Tammy Daymail at the
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  Speaker 2: time she was murdered.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I think the defense attorney is trying to do
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  Speaker 5: what defense attorneys do, which is poke hold where they can.
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  Speaker 2: Problem here is that Laurie is.
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  Speaker 5: A que of conspiracy to commer the murders of Tammy
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  Speaker 5: in this case, and so it doesn't matter if she
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  Speaker 5: was over in Hawaii.
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  Speaker 8: What matters is.
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  Speaker 5: What she did and whether she put anything in motion
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  Speaker 5: to be a part of this plan to murder Tammy.
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  Speaker 2: Dabell name eateon joining us in the courtroom from the
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  Speaker 2: get go from East Idaho News dot com.
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  Speaker 8: What about that night, Ayton, Well, I know that you
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  Speaker 8: know Lorie's attorneys weeks ago filed an alibi.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that she was two doors down when her
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  Speaker 2: son was kidnapped and murdered in the apartment complex. Oh sorry,
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  Speaker 2: I was in one CEA while he was being murdered
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  Speaker 2: in one day, Yeah, I heard that.
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  Speaker 8: And also when Tammy died, that she was in Hawaii.
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  Speaker 8: So the prosecution knew that this was coming. But how
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  Speaker 8: do you deny these text messages and these emails back
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  Speaker 8: and forth and witnesses who have taken the stand. One
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  Speaker 8: witness took the stand the other day saying that the
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  Speaker 8: day Tammy died, they showed a text message saying, oh,
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  Speaker 8: oh my gosh, did you hear that Tammy died? Already
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  Speaker 8: pretended that she didn't know. And then four hours later
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  Speaker 8: another friend texted and said did you hear that Tammy died?
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  Speaker 8: And again she pretended she didn't know whereas the first
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  Speaker 8: friend had already told her hours earlier, so they're exposing
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  Speaker 8: all of this and her friends are former friends or
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  Speaker 8: taking the stand saying this is the chain of events
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  Speaker 8: that happened. And when you have all of this evidence
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  Speaker 8: stored in the cloud, I don't know how you can
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  Speaker 8: dispute that.
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  Speaker 2: Robin Drake joining us a behavior expert for ME, FBI
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  Speaker 2: special agent and author of Sizing People Up. Robin, is
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  Speaker 2: it true? I was thinking about how people cover their
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  Speaker 2: tracks and how these two called mont Laurie Valo and
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  Speaker 2: the prophet Chad Debil did not cover their tracks. Is
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  Speaker 2: it true that two people can be on of VPN
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  Speaker 2: privacy Virtual Privacy and they can text each other and
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  Speaker 2: call each other if they have a certain app and
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  Speaker 2: it will not show up on their record?
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  Speaker 6: Boy, you hitting a tech side for me, and I
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  Speaker 6: guess they could probably do that, just because if you're
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  Speaker 6: trying to hide something from a lot of people, there's
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  Speaker 6: always a way to do it. Hell, our kids send
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  Speaker 6: to have a really good job of being able to
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  Speaker 6: do this, and so adults probably should be able to
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  Speaker 6: take a lesson from them. The thing that really strikes
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  Speaker 6: me about this is that you know Valo Lori Valo.
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  Speaker 6: She is definitely a skilled conspiracist and occultist at this stuff.
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  Speaker 6: So it doesn't surprise me that she's able to, you know,
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  Speaker 6: conspire with her now husband to cover her tracks like this,
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  Speaker 6: because she's been doing this for years. I mean, look
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  Speaker 6: at all the death that surrounds her, so being able
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  Speaker 6: to place blame other places and have covert communications, this
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  Speaker 6: just wasn't a one off. This is something she's been
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  Speaker 6: doing a very long time.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Injurie, I'm all surprised at you, okay, at your
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  Speaker 2: choice of words. All the death around her, you mean
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  Speaker 2: all the people she murdered.
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  Speaker 6: Well, at least that she's been involved.
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  Speaker 2: In involved in. I mean, let's call it like it is, man.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm with you.
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  Speaker 2: It's not involved in it. She's accused of murdering and
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  Speaker 2: conspiring to murder multiple people. And I haven't even gotten
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  Speaker 2: to Charles Valo and her other husband, Joseph Ryan. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: there's there's so many and her brother Alex Cox. But
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  Speaker 2: that said, I will argue with Robin Drake about that later.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of called Mam Laurie Valo being in Hawaii, take
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  Speaker 2: a listen to ourc at one sixty four.
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  Speaker 4: We'll hear that the defendant was in Hawaii at the
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  Speaker 4: time Tammy died, and you will also hear that less
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  Speaker 4: than three weeks later, seventeen days to be exact, the
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  Speaker 4: defendant and Chad day Bell were back in Hawaii. They
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  Speaker 4: were getting married on a sunny beach in Hawaii, dancing
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  Speaker 4: and celebrating their life together, while Tylee and JJ were
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  Speaker 4: cold in the ground in shallow graves, and while Tammy
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  Speaker 4: had just barely been laid to rest in the Springvale,
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  Speaker 4: Utah Cemetery her home.
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  Speaker 2: Nate Ayton, please tell me that the state is using
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  Speaker 2: those photos of Colt, Mom, Laurie Valo, and the prophet
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  Speaker 2: Chad to Dave Bill dancing on the beach. It looks
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  Speaker 2: like they're doing the traditional Hawaiian hula dance.
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  Speaker 8: You're absolutely right, But not only that. They took out
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  Speaker 8: a step further when they ended their closing statement by
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  Speaker 8: showing a picture of JJ's hands wrapped in duct tape,
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  Speaker 8: and then what remains of Tylee's bones and flesh, and
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  Speaker 8: then Charles Valow's hands, and then they cut to the
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  Speaker 8: pictures of a hand of Chad and Laurie holding them
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  Speaker 8: on the beach and also Tammy's hands. She was a
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  Speaker 8: computer whiz. She loved to do family history on her computer.
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  Speaker 8: They showed her autopsy photo, so they went they painted
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  Speaker 8: a picture of how these people will never use their
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  Speaker 8: hands again because of the hands of these other two
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  Speaker 8: who were on the beach getting married.
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  Speaker 2: Tara Malik joining a cybe profile a lawyer out of
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  Speaker 2: Idaho where this case is taking place. Tara, that takes
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  Speaker 2: a lot of planning. Have you ever been in a trial,
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  Speaker 2: because I sure have, where one side not me, because
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  Speaker 2: I practiced into the night to make sure it didn't happen,
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  Speaker 2: and everything fails, The slides don't work, the recording is
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: out of batteries. That that everything goes wrong. There's a
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: reason for that. It's lack a preparation to pull off
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: what you just heard Nate Eaton describe. You see the
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: hands of cult mom and the prophet together, then you
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: see the children's hands, then you see Tammy day Bell's hands,
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: and the stark dichotomy of that compared to each other.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: That takes a lot of effort to pull that off
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: seamlessly in court.
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: It really does, and it's very striking. I mean, that
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: is an image and a that is going to stick
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: with this jury throughout the trial. And that's what you
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: want to do as a lawyer. You want to have
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: that impact straight away. Certainly, the facts of this case
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: are outrageous and shocking to say the least, but there
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: still needs to be a theme and to really bring
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: it home and to hold these folks accountable and say
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: there is a real impact here. We're not talking about,
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: you know, people playing colds and making up stories about demons.
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: We're talking about an actual impact on human life too.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Doctor j. Gorniac, medical examiner joining us out of Vegas,
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: certified forensic pathologist, Doctor Gorniac, It's a real honor to
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: have you joining us. Thank you for being with us,
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Doctor Gorniac. You have studied what was done to the
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: two children, and before I even get to Tammy Daybil's
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: asphyxiation death, can I ask you this theme that Nate
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Aaton described of showing the children's and the victims' hands,
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: what would their hands have looked like post mortem? And
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about the two children first, Wow, that.
• 21:11
  Speaker 11: Gave me chills when I just heard that. So yes,
• 21:14
  Speaker 11: especially them being buried, the soil would be wet, but
• 21:19
  Speaker 11: they were there for a while, so they would be skeletonized,
• 21:23
  Speaker 11: so you probably just see bones. You might see some
• 21:28
  Speaker 11: flesh or skin left over, but they would just be
• 21:31
  Speaker 11: You would know, it'd be obvious that these were hands
• 21:35
  Speaker 11: of dead children.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: And of course little Tiley have been dismembered and burned.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Her all that was left of her was literally a
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: melting bucket of flesh, like rendering. You know what rendering is, Jack,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: That's when you're at a slaughterhouse and you completely tear
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: apart the animal's body. I didn't even talk about it
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: because I know, actually I'm talking about a little girl,
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: and the slaughter house uses every part of the animal.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Tyler was basically rendered, Doctor Gorniat, you've really seen it all.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: There must be an internally different approach in an autopsy
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: room when you are autopsying a child, when children are
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: the victims, Doctor Gorniac, what is the tone in the
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: autopsy room?
• 22:39
  Speaker 11: Well, we treat obviously, we treat all bodies and all
• 22:43
  Speaker 11: decedents respectfully, but when children are involved, it is really difficult,
• 22:48
  Speaker 11: especially when you know it's not a natural death.
• 22:52
  Speaker 12: So when I say it's shocking that it still surprises
• 22:58
  Speaker 12: me what people can do to other people, but when
• 23:01
  Speaker 12: it's a child, and as a mother and as a grandmother,
• 23:04
  Speaker 12: it's just it's heartbreaking. So in the odd time, two
• 23:09
  Speaker 12: room like, we do our job, and we do it
• 23:11
  Speaker 12: the best that we can at all times. But when
• 23:14
  Speaker 12: we see children that are lack of a better word,
• 23:18
  Speaker 12: mutilated or you know, and we know it's a homicide,
• 23:22
  Speaker 12: it's sad.
• 23:24
  Speaker 8: It's sad.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: And you know, to be a medical examiner, you got
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: to be tough. And it really came home to me,
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: even after I've crossed examined and direct examined so many
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: many medical examers on the stand during the Alex Murdog trial.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: She's a tiny little lady. The chief medical examiner that
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: performed the autopsies on the two bodies of Paul and
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Maggie Murdog, and she was under intense attack, intense attack
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: on cross examination, and that little lady, as she has
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: been called, was just crackling with intelligence and she bit
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: back at every cross examination question. I'm so proud of her,
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: and I don't even know her, for her strength and
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: her resolute demeanor in the courtroom while under attack. It's
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: not easy. One thing I've learned and I can't wait
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: to hear Nate Eating describe this is well. I never
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: really wanted to go into the mind of the so
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: called prophet Chad day Bell, but I've had to. I've
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: had you to look at his twenty five plus books
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: about doomsday by the end of the world, which you
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: kept predicting and predicting and predicting, and then it would
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: pass and didn't happen. But I want you to hear
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: our cut two ninety three Detective Nathan Duncan describing another
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: message from day Bell to cult mom.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: Listen from Chad to Laurie, dated seven, twenty six, twenty nineteen,
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: at eight thirteen pm.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Could you read it into the record? Tonight I figured
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: out who I feel like.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: I'm a grown up version of Harry Potter who has
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: to live with the Dudleys in his little space under
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: the stairs.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Every few weeks I get to escape.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: And have an amazing adventure and have amazing adventures with
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: my daddess lover, But then I have to return to
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: my place under the stairs feeling trapped. But I sense
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: permanent freedom is coming.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: I have so many emotions right now, I don't even
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: know how to respond to that, But I can tell
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: you this. If my husband, David Lynch described our life
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: with our children and my mother and our cat dog
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: in two guinea Pigs as living under the stairs with
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: the Dudleys. Has anybody on this panel seen or read
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Harry Potter? His life was excruciating, excruciating living with his
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: aunt and her family. They mistreated him. He was a nothing,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: he was miserable, and he described sex with his quote
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: goddess Lover as Harry Potter's escape. You know what, I
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: would send him to Laurie Valo C. D. Cash on delivery.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: He's yours because I don't want him anymore to hang
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: with him. I'll find a man that is happy to
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: be with me. I mean that would have broken Tammy
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: day Bail's heart. An adult Harry Potter, Nate Ayton really
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: did the journey.
• 26:31
  Speaker 11: Hear that?
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: I bet those women were disgusted.
• 26:33
  Speaker 8: Oh yeah, they heard it. They heard it. They also
• 26:36
  Speaker 8: what's going to be admitted to evidence, we assume, is
• 26:38
  Speaker 8: this text message novel that Chad wrote to Laurie.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: He sent it via Okay wait wait wait, wait see
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: you're doing it again. You're just bombarding me. I'm drinking
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: out of the fire hydrant. What another novel by Chad
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: day Bail. Does he work for a living or just
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: write these novels?
• 26:58
  Speaker 8: Well, he said he wasn't on there. But he changed
• 27:01
  Speaker 8: their names to James and Elena.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Well, I wonder who that could be a.
• 27:05
  Speaker 8: Semi love affair talking about them being together, and it's
• 27:12
  Speaker 8: kind of erotic.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: You could say, okay, wait, wait wait, I've got to
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: let a ways a repulsion wash over me. Chad Tabil rights,
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: I guess a MANI novel, a novella about who? What
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: are their fake names?
• 27:32
  Speaker 8: He changes their names to James and Elena.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: James and Elena, and it describes their sex affair.
• 27:39
  Speaker 8: Yes, that describes them being together. And he calls it
• 27:42
  Speaker 8: the romance novel. And he sent this novel to her
• 27:46
  Speaker 8: on a text message. So it's a long, long text message.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Like that's not going to be discoverable.
• 27:51
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it's part of the police reports and will likely
• 27:54
  Speaker 8: be read in. But this was multiple pages.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Now, wait a minute, when you said it's time, I
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: never rotic, I think maybe you Nate Eaton and I
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: have two different ideas about eroticism. The image of Chad
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Dabell and Lori Vello having sex together. I do not
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: find erotic at all. Is that what is described?
• 28:19
  Speaker 8: Yes? Yes, you could say it with PG. Thirteen. I
• 28:24
  Speaker 8: mean it's not quite you know, triple X. But I've
• 28:27
  Speaker 8: got it, Nancy, authentic to you. If you want to
• 28:29
  Speaker 8: read it.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: After I've complained about it, of course, I'm going to
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: read it in its entirety. But wait a minute, Karen Stark,
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: please help me. Drake, I may need you in on
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: this too. Karen Stark and Robin Drake joining us. Karen's psychologist,
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: Robin Drake, FBI behavioral expert. Okay, Karen, do some people
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: get a sexual kick out of writing about their sex
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: lives or about their anticipated sex lives?
• 28:57
  Speaker 7: Oh, without a doubt, Nancy. I mean, just because it
• 29:01
  Speaker 7: just makes them remember being together, and also it sets
• 29:05
  Speaker 7: the stage for anything that will happen in the future.
• 29:08
  Speaker 7: But what I find even more interesting when we were
• 29:12
  Speaker 7: talking about him being Harry Potter, is that he has
• 29:15
  Speaker 7: these suspicions that he will have some freedom soon, that
• 29:20
  Speaker 7: something will happen, and he's predicting that in a way
• 29:26
  Speaker 7: that Charles Tammy, whoever is not dead yet, will be dead.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Okay, Robins, wait, please help me out. You've had to
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: analyze behavior for the FBI. I mean, number one, these
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: two left a trail a mile wide, like you don't
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: think on day one, I'm going to try to grab
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: all their decks, all their emails, all their phone calls,
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: anything I can get my mits on to find out
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: what really happened. I've got at least three dead bodies, Tammy,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Dave Bell, Little JJ seven and Tilely, a teen girl.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm going to read every shred of evidence
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: I can get my hands on. What about this?
• 30:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah, well, they're both high level wound collectors that are
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: seeking retribution for everyone around them. And since they both
• 30:12
  Speaker 6: had the sense of control because of the cult they formed,
• 30:15
  Speaker 6: they thought they had complete control over everyone and everything
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: in their purview. So it makes them feel very empowered
• 30:20
  Speaker 6: to do these things.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: Okay, now let me ask you, Nate eight and hold on.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: They change your names in the novella to James and Elena.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: What about Raphael and Lily? Of course you sent it
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: to me, and I'm already rading it. The thing that
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: I said I would never rate, I'm looking at it
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: right now. What about Raphael and Lily?
• 30:40
  Speaker 7: L I L I.
• 30:41
  Speaker 8: Yeah, they constantly have these different names for each other.
• 30:45
  Speaker 8: They were changing their names, going by different aliases. They
• 30:48
  Speaker 8: had code words among the group of when it was
• 30:50
  Speaker 8: safe to talk and when it wasn't if they thought
• 30:53
  Speaker 8: the police were listening. So the bar was constantly moving.
• 30:58
  Speaker 8: It appears with this group things weren't going right. If
• 31:01
  Speaker 8: the force told prophecies didn't come to pass, then the
• 31:05
  Speaker 8: bar would move further out.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm sorry, Nay eight, but it's your fault.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: I can't pay attention to anything you're saying because I'm
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: reading this in novella.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: Tara Malick, high profile lawyer joining us out of Idaho.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: I hope you're sitting down. Okay, wait and I quote
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: He could only giggle when people asked if she was
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: his wife, because yes, in fact, she was, she just
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: didn't know it yet. Wow, that sounds just like Chad
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: day Mail and Laurie Value. James is definitely having amorous
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: feelings toward Elena as they sold books together. Who could
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: that be? He had not I felt this happy in
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: his entire life. He was quite sure this was the
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: woman the voice had told him about. James's ecstatic because
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: he had already fallen deeply in love with her, or
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: better said he remembered how much he had already loved her.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: I forgot to tell you that was in a previous line. Now. Wait,
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: her eyes had mesmerized him from the moment they met.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: But once the book sales slowed down, she stood near
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: him behind the table. They looked deeply into each other's eyes,
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: and for the first time he knew he was in
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: the presence of a goddess. Tara, please help me.
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think we all need help. After that
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: novella that he just wrote. I mean, if I am,
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: if I'm the prosecutor and I'm reading through these text messages,
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: I can only imagine, you know, them just jaws agape,
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: you know, and building that case and the themes of
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: their case. Immediately after reading through these messages, it's like,
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: you know, he's laying the path for his own conviction here.
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: Now you know it's going to be it's going to
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: be tricky because we also want to make sure that
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: we're not using him as escapegoat, and Laurie, you know,
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: gets the way Scott free here. But it certainly indicates
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: how disturbing and disturbed these individuals were, and you know,
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: as far as motive and intent, this only adds to
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: the prosecution's case.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: You know, looking through I agree with everything you just said,
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: Tara Malick. I'm just thinking through this. This is like
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: every other couple that cheats on their spouses and then
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: they both end up dead. Charles vallow is dead and
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Tammy day Bell is dead and they both had a
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: hand in it. So while we're laughing, and as soon
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: as you read this, oh, the erotic tension continued throughout
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: the afternoon. Okay, this is your fault and eate eaton.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: But they are using the cloak of religion to shroud them,
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: and they're fantastical beliefs to shroud them from the truth.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: The truth is they are cold blooded serial killers. Now
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: I want you to take a listen to our cut
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: two seven three. Wait a minute. This is the prosecuting
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: attorney Lindsay Blake, questioning friend Melanie Gibb. I love friends
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: that record your phone calls. And actually I'm not kidding
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: around about that, because if Melanie Gibb had not recorded
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: these calls, the state would have a huge gaping hole
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: in their case. So thank Heaven that she did record
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: these calls. Now you're hearing this high airbrushed a version
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: of their cheating. But here's the reality of it.
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: Listen, did Laurie ever tell you directly that she and
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: Chad would meet at hotels or motels?
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: And did they actually meet at Did she tell you
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: that they met at hotels?
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: Did she tell you that they would meet at motels?
• 35:22
  Speaker 9: I don't remember the wording exactly.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: One of the two.
• 35:25
  Speaker 9: Yeah, right.
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: Did Laurie ever indicate to you whether or not she
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: and Chad were engaged in an affair?
• 35:33
  Speaker 9: She would just share that they were intimate.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Was this while Charles was still alive? Yes?
• 35:41
  Speaker 9: Was this while Tammy was still alive?
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Yes? Hotel, motel, holiday in. So it's not some steamy
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: romance novel. They're just shacking up and getting it on
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: at the local motel. There's no way that somebody didn't
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: tell old Tammy day Bell about it. Now you've heard
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: his airbrushed version of the romance between James and Elena
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: aka Chad day Bell and Laurie Vallo. But what about
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: Charles Valow He's shot dead with coltmom standing right there
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: doing nothing and Tammy day Bell, which brings us back
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: to what's happening in court. Take a listen to Melanie
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Gibb describing Tammy Dave Bell's death.
• 36:35
  Speaker 13: My son Garth asked me the whole time, like Schuster,
• 36:39
  Speaker 13: which the house is in twenty minutes in passing two corners,
• 36:43
  Speaker 13: like Chacter right there on the birth. All these conspiracy
• 36:47
  Speaker 13: theories to say he's sick, he's selling assently sick. I
• 36:52
  Speaker 13: know it's been a toll three years, said Tammy and pay.
• 36:56
  Speaker 13: At a young age, I had no idea that lay
• 37:00
  Speaker 13: or you can be a.
• 37:01
  Speaker 7: Part of my life.
• 37:01
  Speaker 13: I just knew that my life had two segments. And
• 37:09
  Speaker 13: he's on a special issue.
• 37:10
  Speaker 8: And she's my flying kids. She's visited.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 37:15
  Speaker 13: There's so nationality that he just said, thank for This
• 37:19
  Speaker 13: is not some sort of master plan as Laurie and
• 37:22
  Speaker 13: I should.
• 37:23
  Speaker 6: Never show up her.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: I love Melanie Gibb. She recorded this and as she
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: was on the witness stand, this recording came into court.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: You hear the prophet Chad Dabell described me how sick
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: the conspiracy theories made him. You know, he tells people
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: she died peacefully in her sleep, nate eating. What was
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: the cause of death asphyxiation? Asphyxiation she no more died
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: of a heart attack in her sleep than I did
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: last night. Take a listen out our cut to seven seven.
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: Did she tell you anything about but she knew regarding
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: Tammy's passing?
• 38:02
  Speaker 9: So I asked her what happened to Tammy? And she
• 38:06
  Speaker 9: says that.
• 38:11
  Speaker 14: She had a yes, a dark entity in her and
• 38:16
  Speaker 14: they had to do what they could to get that
• 38:18
  Speaker 14: spirit out of her.
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: And when she said they did what they had to do,
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: did you know who she was referring to?
• 38:25
  Speaker 11: Her?
• 38:25
  Speaker 9: And her and Chad?
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: Do you recall if she indicated anything regarding Tammy's knowledge
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: of an affair or suspicion of an affair.
• 38:36
  Speaker 9: She said she was starting to get suspicious.
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: And by she was starting to get suspicious? Was that
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: Tammy correct?
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: And quite coincidentally, Tammy Daybill became a dark spirit about
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: the same time she found out about her husband's sex
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: affair with Calt Mom. Take a listen.
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: Do you recall if Lori indicated how long Tammy had
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: been suspicious of that before she passed away.
• 39:00
  Speaker 9: I would say no longer than two weeks.
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: Do you recall if Laurie indicated how long Tammy had
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: been possessed or dark before she passed away.
• 39:10
  Speaker 14: Maybe it wasn't more than two weeks, so it was
• 39:13
  Speaker 14: with it. It could have been less than two weeks,
• 39:15
  Speaker 14: but it was a short period of time.
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: So Tammy becoming darker possessed and her getting suspicious of
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: the affair, to the best of your knowledge, happened around
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: the same time.
• 39:25
  Speaker 14: About the fair part, I'm not sure, but the dark
• 39:28
  Speaker 14: part is yes, about two weeks before correct night.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: Eight and from eastsideh News dot com. How is the
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: jury responding to this?
• 39:36
  Speaker 8: The jury, many members have been taking frantic notes throughout
• 39:41
  Speaker 8: the entire trial, writing stuff down. Others I've noticed have
• 39:45
  Speaker 8: just stared directly at Laurie Baalow. She's sitting directly across
• 39:49
  Speaker 8: from them. They have a view right at her. And
• 39:53
  Speaker 8: there have been times Nancy during this trial when they've
• 39:56
  Speaker 8: shown the evidence photos that there have been tears. Some
• 40:00
  Speaker 8: of the jurors have cried seen the bodies of Tammy
• 40:03
  Speaker 8: and JJ, so it was kind of a mix of emotions.
• 40:06
  Speaker 8: What I haven't seen is any nodding off. I haven't
• 40:08
  Speaker 8: seen any loss of attention. That they have been laser
• 40:12
  Speaker 8: focused on every witness thus far, and.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: We wait as testimony unfolds in the courtroom. Goodbye friend,