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Sharri | 16 September · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why on Sky News. This is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening, Welcome to the show.
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Speaker 3: Tonight, the ABC admits it doctored a video adding in
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Speaker 3: gunshots to accuse a commando.
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Speaker 2: Of being a war criminal.
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Speaker 3: This major admission from the ABC's investigations unit. Ben Fordham
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Speaker 3: and Sarah Henderson would join me tonight to discuss this
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Speaker 3: bombshell revelation. Well, Donald Trump speaks out after a second
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Speaker 3: assassination attempt? Can the Secret Service actually keep him safe?
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Speaker 3: I look at this with Kosher Gata and joining us
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Speaker 3: live the polster behind new research that shows Dutton could
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Speaker 3: be the next Prime Minister. ALBINIZI clearly on the nose
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Speaker 3: with voters. Leo Shanahan will be on the show later. Also,
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Speaker 3: Karon Milner shares his prediction that.
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Speaker 2: Albo will be a one term PM.
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Speaker 3: But first tonight, the ABC has made a bombshell admission
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Speaker 3: that it published fake footage with extra gunshots added in
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Speaker 3: a report wrongly accusing a hero commander of being a
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Speaker 3: war criminal. This revelation has rocked the ABC after its
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Speaker 3: beleagued investigations unit made the devastating admission that it used
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Speaker 3: fabricated audio as part of its defamatory pursuit of Heston Russell.
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Speaker 3: As you know, Russell is a decorated Farmer special Forces
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Speaker 3: commander who fought against Taliban terrorists in Afghanistan. Well, the
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Speaker 3: ABC's Mark Willersey published downing allegations against Russell and his platoon,
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Speaker 3: wrongly claiming they killed unarmed civilians.
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Speaker 4: We don't have the vision that comes immediately before this,
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Speaker 4: but this Australian soldier is firing towards what appeared to
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Speaker 4: be unarmed civilians in residential compounds.
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Speaker 5: And they're saying that you're shooting at unarmed civilians.
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Speaker 4: And this guy had literally just been on the back
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Speaker 4: of a motorbike with his mate shooting at two of
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Speaker 4: my teams that were on the ground. But we don't
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Speaker 4: see any of that, no, nor do they, but they're
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Speaker 4: still happy to jump to a conclusion from fifteen seconds
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Speaker 4: worth of footage.
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Speaker 3: And that was Heston Russell on Channel seven speaking about
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Speaker 3: the original ABC broadcast from two years ago. Russell gave
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Speaker 3: the ABC the raw footage to show the whole context,
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Speaker 3: but the ABC wouldn't fix its report and Russell took
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Speaker 3: the public broadcaster to court. He won and was awarded
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Speaker 3: almost four hundred k in damages.
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Speaker 4: Two things, First and foremost, it's not me. Secondly, here's
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Speaker 4: the full context. They were not unarmed civilians.
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Speaker 5: Incredibly, the ABC refused to acknowledge it, so in September
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Speaker 5: of twenty twenty two, Russell commenced defamation proceedings in the
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Speaker 5: Federal Court to defend himself again against their accusations of
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Speaker 5: war crimes. The reporter Mark Willisy is saying, we don't
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Speaker 5: know what happened before this, but he does. He's known
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Speaker 5: about it since April last year. For a year he's known.
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Speaker 5: So what's online, what's up on the net is a lie.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely.
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Speaker 3: And now Heston Russell has made the quite extraordinary discovery
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Speaker 3: that the ABC had edited its footage, adding in extra
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Speaker 3: gunshots and taking a fifteen second clip entirely out of context.
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Speaker 3: Here was that amazing revelation on Channel seven last night.
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Speaker 5: In the actual helmet cam vision, it's a warning shot,
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Speaker 5: then Heston's command to shoot.
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Speaker 1: Followed by six.
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Speaker 3: Shots, and then seven went on to explain how the
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Speaker 3: single warning shot became six.
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Speaker 4: Have a look, they've literally added extra gunshots.
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Speaker 1: That's phenomenon.
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Speaker 4: So I fell off my chair when I saw this.
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Speaker 3: A forensic audio expert analyzed the footage and had this
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Speaker 3: to say last night.
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Speaker 6: They've taken the audio from the six shots and they've
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Speaker 6: applied it to this video in the news clip, and
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Speaker 6: they've copied and pasted across this scene. It completely misrepresents
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Speaker 6: what those soldiers were going through that day.
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Speaker 1: It also makes you wonder what else has been fabricated?
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Speaker 1: Doesn't it correct well?
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Speaker 3: When presented with the evidence, the ABC admitted the concoction.
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Speaker 3: They said, we have removed the online video where an
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Speaker 3: error has been identified based on preliminary inspection of the audio.
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Speaker 3: The ABC is seeking more inf on how this occurred.
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Speaker 3: Joe Puccini, Mark Willersey, and Josh Robertson had no role
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Speaker 3: in the production and editing of the online video you've
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Speaker 3: brought to our attention. Any suggestion that they have acted
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Speaker 3: inappropriately or unethically is completely false. So these are the
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Speaker 3: three you can see them on the screen, who claim
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Speaker 3: they had nothing to do with adding those extra gunshots,
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Speaker 3: but they were responsible for the defamatory crusade against Russell.
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Speaker 3: Already the court has heard that they relied on the
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Speaker 3: hazy memory of an American soldier who said to Mark
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Speaker 3: Willersey that he couldn't recall any specific details from a
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Speaker 3: decade ago, and that his account shouldn't be relied on.
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Speaker 3: Yet that is what the ABC based their story on,
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Speaker 3: insisting they had a confidential source. And here was Mark
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Speaker 3: Willersey boasting about repeatedly going back to his source when
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Speaker 3: he was on stage at Walkley Awards.
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Speaker 7: And I spent two months checking out, going back to
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Speaker 7: this guy, getting more detail, more detailed.
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Speaker 8: And this is this idea that we we make up
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Speaker 8: and we don't.
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Speaker 2: That's Joe hood around laughing out loud.
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Speaker 3: He can't help himself. And we'll get his opinion on
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Speaker 3: that in just a minute. But as you saw, Mark
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Speaker 3: Willisey never mentioned there that his source told him not
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Speaker 3: to rely on his memory at all. Now, this is
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Speaker 3: a journalist, Mark Willersey, who has called news corp tabloids,
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Speaker 3: murdock bottom feeders. Well, I'll tell you this news corp
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Speaker 3: would never add extra gunshots into a video to falsely
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Speaker 3: accuse a decorated soldier of war crimes. This unthinkable conduct
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Speaker 3: happened at the ABC, and it keeps claiming it's the
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Speaker 3: most trusted media organization in the country. Well, Heston and
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Speaker 3: his legal team, Barrister Sucrasanthu and Rebecca Giles. Eventually he
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Speaker 3: discovered the sources, identity and emails from that soldier showed.
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Speaker 3: He warned the ABC not to rely on his memory.
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Speaker 3: He said it was hazy. What's worse, it's now eventuated
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Speaker 3: that Heston wasn't even in Afghanistan at the time that
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Speaker 3: the ABC claimed the war crime happened.
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Speaker 4: When the ABC published their articles saying this happened between
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Speaker 4: June and July, and I produced my deployment record that
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Speaker 4: showed we weren't even in Afghanistan during that time.
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Speaker 3: Pudin Well, another American soldier who did work with Heston Russell,
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Speaker 3: had this to say about him.
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Speaker 9: Most of our one on one interaction was with with Heston,
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Speaker 9: and then usually we you know, we'd get up with
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Speaker 9: the platuna in the aircraft. You know, most of the
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Speaker 9: communication it was with Heston.
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Speaker 1: Could you rank him highly?
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Speaker 9: I held him in the highest regard out of everybody
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Speaker 9: I worked with. I thought he was the most professional
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Speaker 9: commander that I got the hand A pleasure of.
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Speaker 1: Work went down.
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Speaker 9: I spent a year in Afghanistan during that deployment, and
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Speaker 9: at no point during that time that I ever did
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Speaker 9: we ever think that any of the engagements were illegal
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Speaker 9: or unethical or.
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Speaker 1: Outside the rules of it.
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Speaker 9: Absolutely so.
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Speaker 5: Did anybody try to call you, any journalists from Australia
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Speaker 5: Do they try to get in touch?
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Speaker 1: No one ever trying to call me or contact me
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Speaker 1: about it.
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Speaker 10: No, sir.
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Speaker 3: You just think how far removed is that account from
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Speaker 3: how the ABC chose to portray Heston Russell. They portrayed
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Speaker 3: him as a murderer who they claimed killed innocent civilians,
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Speaker 3: and the public broadcaster has refused to apologize, showing extreme
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Speaker 3: arrogance even after being found in a court of law
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Speaker 3: to have wrongly pursued an innocent veteran. And here is
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Speaker 3: the ABC's from a managing director showing no remorse for
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Speaker 3: destroying Russell's life after publishing utter lies about him.
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Speaker 11: What do you say to war veteran Heston Russell, the
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Speaker 11: ABC wrongfully accused of committing all crime at.
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Speaker 12: The moment, I would say that, and the court agrees
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Speaker 12: that those stories were in the public interests. The ABC
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Speaker 12: held a genuine belief that they were in the public interest.
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Speaker 5: The court degrees of that.
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Speaker 13: I'm not interested in your belief.
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Speaker 11: I'm interested in the facts you have been found to
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Speaker 11: have him properly and wrongly accused mister Heston Russell of
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Speaker 11: being a war criminal. What do you say, firstly to
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Speaker 11: mister Heston Russell, Sandra, if.
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Speaker 6: You're asking for me to apologize to mister Russell, I'm
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Speaker 6: not going to apologize to mister Russell.
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Speaker 2: It's unbelievable.
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Speaker 3: All the ABC is erroneous reporting brought Heston Russell almost
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Speaker 3: to the edge, and the ABC even went after his sexuality,
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Speaker 3: shaming him he thought about taking his own life.
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Speaker 14: Well.
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Speaker 3: Rebecca Giles, his lawyer, said that she felt that ABC
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Speaker 3: was trying to push Russell over the edge.
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Speaker 15: I think the personal attacks were so hurtful to him
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Speaker 15: that potentially there was a hope that he wouldn't survive them.
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Speaker 2: This is disgraceful.
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Speaker 3: The ABC recklessly destroyed the reputation of a fine serving
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Speaker 3: commander who had repeatedly put his own life on the
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Speaker 3: line fighting for our country.
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Speaker 2: The ABC tried to prove.
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Speaker 3: That he was a war criminal, and even in the
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Speaker 3: face of growing evidence that he was innocent and highly respected,
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Speaker 3: refused to acknowledge the truth. Well, there needs to be
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Speaker 3: accountability here. Yet we've seen ABC executives behave as arrogantly
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Speaker 3: and despicably as their own reporters. The ABC does need
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Speaker 3: to explain why this team still has jobs if it
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Speaker 3: doesn't get more more serious than this than doctoring a
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Speaker 3: video in a report wrongly accusing a decorated soldier of
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Speaker 3: war crimes. Well, the accusations against our soldiers against Heston
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Speaker 3: Russell came very quickly on the ABC. Yeah, the apologies
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Speaker 3: for getting it wrong have not been forthcoming and this
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Speaker 3: is shameful. Now Ben Fordham is going to join me
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Speaker 3: on the show live to speak about this in a moment.
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Speaker 3: Also Sarah Henderson as well. But right now, let's bring
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Speaker 3: in Sky News contributor Joe Hildebrand and Daily Telegraph columnist
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Speaker 3: James Willis.
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Speaker 2: Welcome it to you both.
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Speaker 3: Now, James, you wrote a very strong piece about this
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Speaker 3: in the Telegraph today. What's your take on this shoddy journalism.
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Speaker 8: Well, this is as bad as it gets, but it's
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Speaker 8: part of a wider four year campaign that the ABC
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Speaker 8: ran against our soldiers where there were dozens of stories published,
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Speaker 8: every bit of footage, every from Defense or another sorcering
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Speaker 8: government was allowed to be massaged together into a campaign against.
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Speaker 14: Some of the most vulnerable people in the community.
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Speaker 8: It was rumor, it was innuendo, and ultimately, in the
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Speaker 8: last twelve months, the ABC has had to take down
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Speaker 8: from my count three stories in regards to war crimes,
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Speaker 8: two of them relating to the Heston Russell case after
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Speaker 8: he won the defamation case against them, and now this
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Speaker 8: one where they've conceded that there've been multiple gunshots added
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Speaker 8: to a war crime. I mean, this is really really bad.
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Speaker 8: What you said there is spot on. There is no
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Speaker 8: other newsroom in the country, no other news boss that
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Speaker 8: would allow this kind of journalism to go ahead, and
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Speaker 8: yet we're talking about war crimes.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I also liked when you wrote in your piece today
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Speaker 3: you asked, what is this off for online clicks or
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Speaker 3: trying to get gongs at industry award nights.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, that's right, And I think with a lot of
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Speaker 8: media outlets, or sorry, a few of them, it became
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Speaker 8: a race to try and outdo each other and say, okay,
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Speaker 8: who can we name here? We want to go to
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Speaker 8: this mission, We want to find out what people are saying,
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Speaker 8: and ultimately they weren't getting the whole story. They were
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Speaker 8: getting tiny little bits of information and dressing them up
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Speaker 8: as incredibly serious accusations.
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Speaker 14: And the way that this continued.
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Speaker 8: And let's face it, at the very beginning, Heston Russell
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Speaker 8: wanted an apology and his legal fees covered to the
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Speaker 8: tune of about ninety thousand dollars. The ABC refused to apologize,
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Speaker 8: doubled down, tripled down, went into his private life, and
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Speaker 8: then at the end of the federal court case, it
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Speaker 8: costs millions of dollars, But the people involved, the journalists
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Speaker 8: and the investigations team that ran this campaign against a veteran,
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Speaker 8: there were no consequences for And I can tell based
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Speaker 8: on that statement that right now they are trying to,
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Speaker 8: I have no doubt, to try and blame this on
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Speaker 8: someone in production or say, oh, look, it was an error.
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Speaker 1: We're sorry.
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Speaker 8: Someone just went bang bang bang. You know a couple
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Speaker 8: more times that person's gone there on a contract. Don't worry,
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Speaker 8: Come on, it doesn't The journalists who put their name
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Speaker 8: to this story, we all know this, would have sat there,
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Speaker 8: would have looked through the whole thing and decided what
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Speaker 8: went to We're in the end, so you know, And
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Speaker 8: the fact the ABC didn't go out hard on it
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Speaker 8: this morning, like we know they do when you know
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Speaker 8: they want to stand up for themselves, indicates that there
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Speaker 8: is a big problem.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Heston Russell came on this program when he first won
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Speaker 3: his defamation case.
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Speaker 2: He was very emotional.
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Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure it was his first television interview, and
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Speaker 3: he said that ABC nearly broke him. And he said
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Speaker 3: it was harder to come up against the ABC than
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Speaker 3: any terrorist in Afghanistan. Joe, you can see the human
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Speaker 3: consequences that ABC never cared that they were potentially breaking
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Speaker 3: a soldier with no evidence to support it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 16: I've only met Heston Russell, I think once or twice.
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Speaker 16: It's always struck me as the most incredible individual and
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Speaker 16: incredibly decent and honest and warm and compassionate person. I
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Speaker 16: don't know why you would single him out as being
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Speaker 16: a murdering war criminal without any apparent evidence, and.
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Speaker 1: I think that a lot of the I think there
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Speaker 1: are a couple of interesting things.
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Speaker 16: One is it's a matter of people in glasshouses not
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Speaker 16: throwing stones. Now, every journal gets things wrong from time
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Speaker 16: to time, but not every media institution has its own
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Speaker 16: inner institution, A, which have more resources than any other
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Speaker 16: organization in the country, and B, which sits in judgment
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Speaker 16: quite literally over every other media organization.
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Speaker 1: So ABC Paul Barr is a nice guy. I like it.
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Speaker 16: But the ABC is the only one with a show
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Speaker 16: called Media Watch, which says, right, all you are the
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Speaker 16: ones you're not living up to expectations despite the fact
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Speaker 16: we're scrambling on far smaller budgets.
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Speaker 1: The ABC has also got its.
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Speaker 16: Own fact check unit, and I think that is currently
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Speaker 16: being revamped after a slight incident with Dick Smith, and
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Speaker 16: I was lucky enough to do a function with the
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Speaker 16: person overseeing it, and I'm sure he.
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Speaker 1: Was very point being.
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Speaker 16: And yet even after all that, they still manage to
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Speaker 16: do something like this. And this tells me that there
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Speaker 16: must be some weird, preconceived, hard baked in idea of
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Speaker 16: soldiers as just been intrinsically murderously bad people. If only
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Speaker 16: we could just get to the bottom of it, because
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Speaker 16: I don't know how else you would take this one
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Speaker 16: little scaret.
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Speaker 3: I think he's been this journalist that the ABC have
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Speaker 3: this god complex and they think they couldn't possibly be wrong.
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Speaker 3: I should just point out that David Addison, who refused
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Speaker 3: to apologize in that grilling by Sarah Henderson before he
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Speaker 3: is still in the job.
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Speaker 2: He leaves next year.
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Speaker 3: And Sarah Henderson and Ben Fordham are coming up on
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Speaker 3: the show to talk more about this. But let's turn
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Speaker 3: to this massive news today, the second attempted assassination.
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Speaker 2: Of Donald Trump.
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Speaker 3: Now, at this point, I'm worried whether he's actually going
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Speaker 3: to make it to the election alive.
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Speaker 2: And you know, you just.
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Speaker 3: Think there are so many crazy enemies out there. They
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Speaker 3: keep coming for Donald Trump.
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Speaker 2: James, are you worried.
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Speaker 3: About this that voters might not actually have a choice,
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Speaker 3: that they might succeed in killing him.
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Speaker 8: Well, I think we'd be silly to think this will
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Speaker 8: be the last attempt assassination attempt on Donald Trump. And
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Speaker 8: I think the hostility we're seeing America right now is frightening.
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Speaker 14: I think, you know, we.
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Speaker 8: Have two people that are in a really genuine contest here.
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Speaker 8: The polls have even up since Joe Biden dropped out,
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Speaker 8: But ultimately it's terrifying to think that you could be
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Speaker 8: heading into a poll and anytime Donald Trump steps out
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Speaker 8: in public or goes on a golf course in this case.
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Speaker 14: That there would be a possible risk on his life.
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Speaker 8: I always wonder why the media in these stories reports
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Speaker 8: on the person's political.
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Speaker 14: Views or who they've voted for previously. I find that irrelevant.
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Speaker 8: For someone to be taking this course of action is
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Speaker 8: just unhinged, and it is terrifying that in a country
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Speaker 8: like America this does go on. But thank god we
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Speaker 8: live in Australia, I suppose.
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Speaker 16: Well, the worst part is it's so incredibly stupid, Like
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Speaker 16: if this person is trying to stop Donald Trump, it
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Speaker 16: is events like this which actually make him more popular.
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Speaker 16: The more you make him a martyr, the more popular is.
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Speaker 16: This is why the judge was smart enough to know
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Speaker 16: not to sentence him before election day. This is why
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Speaker 16: his popularity shot up to unprecedented heights after the first
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Speaker 16: assassination attempt. Here's someone who's actually clearly unhinged, clearly too
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Speaker 16: stupid to be able to think it through, but who
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Speaker 16: was actually going through with this and trying to stop
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Speaker 16: him when in fact they're.
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Speaker 1: Just fueling him.
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Speaker 16: But I find it, I actually find it very interesting
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Speaker 16: that this person, who does appear to be a Democrat supporter,
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Speaker 16: has previously said that apparently he said he voted for
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Speaker 16: Donald Trump in twenty sixteen, but he voted in a
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Speaker 16: Democratic primary, and well.
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Speaker 1: Or whatever, whatever.
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Speaker 16: But the point I think, well, no, I think the
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Speaker 16: point is though, that this seems to have been very
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Speaker 16: much downplayed. Like whenever else you get an attempted shooter
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Speaker 16: or attemptionhip, it's like, oh, it's an extreme right winger
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Speaker 16: with you know, with you know, all these crazy views,
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Speaker 16: and he loves guns, and he's got you know, he's
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Speaker 16: a racist and he hates this.
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Speaker 2: We only seeing the assassination Trump, that's.
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Speaker 16: Right, But as soon as it's someone with links to
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Speaker 16: the Democrats, it's like, oh, yeah, he was known to police.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 3: And Koshergarder would join me later to speak about Joe
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Speaker 3: Biden's reaction to this.
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Speaker 2: Now let's have a look at Twiggy Forest.
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Speaker 3: Now we know he loves a bit of good publicity
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Speaker 3: and he was keen to reveal the man behind the
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Speaker 3: headlines to the Daily Telegraph on the weekend.
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Speaker 2: He then went on to detail, and this.
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Speaker 3: Is the very first paragraph of the entire story.
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Speaker 2: He talks about an horrific.
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Speaker 3: Childhood trauma, and the Telly reports that at eight years
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Speaker 3: of age, Twiggy recall sitting in the back of his
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Speaker 3: father's ute holding the hand of a badly burnt and
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Speaker 3: dying man, and Twiggy says, I don't share that story,
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Speaker 3: but I wanted to share it with you because it's
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Speaker 3: why I have such a deep.
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Speaker 2: Appreciation for life.
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Speaker 3: Well, that's interesting, he says, this is a story he
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Speaker 3: doesn't share. But let's have a look at the Sydney
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Speaker 3: Morning Herald from back in two thousand and nine, where
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Speaker 3: again the start of the story says, when he was eight,
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Speaker 3: Andrew Forrest held a man in his final moments before
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Speaker 3: death from bushfire injuries. The man passed away as the
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Speaker 3: youngsters sang him nursery rhymes. Now, James, obviously this is
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Speaker 3: a tragic story. But what is Twiggy trying to achieve here?
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Speaker 3: Is this an image brandt Well?
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Speaker 8: I think two years a very fascinating person, and the
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Speaker 8: supporters of him say that he's on this campaign to
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Speaker 8: save the planet.
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Speaker 14: Other people have accused him.
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Speaker 8: Of flat at greenwashing, and I think the truth lights
20:15
Speaker 8: somewhere in the middle there. But he's always struck me
20:18
Speaker 8: as someone that is desperate to be liked by the
20:21
Speaker 8: public and wants to leave this great legacy.
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Speaker 14: Now that can be done in a range.
20:25
Speaker 8: Of ways, but for him it's clearly very important and
20:28
Speaker 8: on a number of fronts, with a number of the
20:29
Speaker 8: things he's done.
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Speaker 14: Publicly over the last few years. I feel like.
20:32
Speaker 8: Ultimately he is desperate to make that legacy count. He's
20:36
Speaker 8: clearly forgotten the fact that he told the story previously
20:38
Speaker 8: fifteen years.
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Speaker 1: Ago, but I can't remember much that I did fifteen
20:43
Speaker 1: Tell you a story fifteen years is exactly.
20:46
Speaker 3: So much positive publicity that I guess he can't remember
20:49
Speaker 3: his own spent now. The who's who of Australian television
20:53
Speaker 3: came together last night in a moving memorial for TV
20:56
Speaker 3: legend Reg Grundy, six years since his pass and he
21:00
Speaker 3: was remembered in a joint memorial with his late wife,
21:04
Speaker 3: Joy Chambers Grundy, she passed away last year. Have a
21:08
Speaker 3: look at some of the tributes to him from Tracy Grimshaw,
21:11
Speaker 3: Alan Jones and Tony Abbott.
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Speaker 15: For decades from the dawn of television, Reg Grundy was
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Speaker 15: Australia's most prolific and successful TV producer. Joy was the
21:24
Speaker 15: love of his life and Reggie, as she called him,
21:27
Speaker 15: was certainly hers.
21:29
Speaker 17: If ever there was an Australian team of achievement, these
21:33
Speaker 17: two were that team. Reg Grundy was the Rupert Murdoch
21:38
Speaker 17: of television, the biggest independent television producer in the world.
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Speaker 3: Joe Alan Jones, made the point last night that Reg
21:48
Speaker 3: Grundy was so private that his legacy hasn't properly been celebrated.
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Speaker 1: Reg Grundy, It's difficult to overstate.
21:56
Speaker 16: It's impossible, in fact, to overstate how much of a
22:00
Speaker 16: titan he is. This man has almost godlike status in television,
22:04
Speaker 16: and you don't.
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Speaker 1: Really know it. Like everyone would know. At the end
22:06
Speaker 1: of every.
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Speaker 16: Show you've ever watched, a real fortune or blankety Blanks
22:10
Speaker 16: or perfect match, whatever, you know, the Grundy thing would
22:12
Speaker 16: come out and b ubicuous. He never actually think of
22:14
Speaker 16: the person behind it. It was incredibly reclusive. I think he'
22:17
Speaker 16: lived for the last few decades of his life with
22:19
Speaker 16: joy in Bermuda, and it was impossible to see, possible
22:23
Speaker 16: to get in touch with and he had it was
22:26
Speaker 16: almost like a sort of Bond villain, but without the
22:28
Speaker 16: villain part, Like you just had this incredible mystique about.
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Speaker 1: Him, but absolute reverence.
22:33
Speaker 16: When you do daytime television for seven years, you see
22:37
Speaker 16: all these sort of old kind of legends of the
22:39
Speaker 16: eighties and the nineties come through, people like Greg Evans,
22:43
Speaker 16: for example, and John bagen All, these people, and they
22:46
Speaker 16: would speak in almost hush tones about him as though
22:49
Speaker 16: again it was as close to sort of a demi
22:52
Speaker 16: god of television as you could possibly get. A four
22:55
Speaker 16: hundred TV shows, four hundred TV shows, Prisoner, Real of Fortune,
22:58
Speaker 16: as I mentioned Blankety Blanks, I mentioned Class of seventy four,
23:01
Speaker 16: and of course everybody's personal favorite The Restless.
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Speaker 3: Yes, no, incredible legacy. All right, Joe Hildebrand and James Willis.
23:07
Speaker 3: Great to have you on, Thank you, thank you. Now
23:10
Speaker 3: let's return to these massive bombshell revelations that the ABC
23:14
Speaker 3: has doctored video. There's now urgent investigations underway at the ABC.
23:19
Speaker 3: The footage featuring that compromised audio.
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Speaker 2: Has been removed.
23:23
Speaker 3: To look at this further, let's bring in now two
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Speaker 3: GB Breakfast host Ben Fod and Ben, great to have
23:29
Speaker 3: you on the show. From the very start of this saga,
23:32
Speaker 3: you pointed out that the ABC's reporting was not up
23:36
Speaker 3: to scratch, but this video editing is just the latest
23:40
Speaker 3: egregious example.
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Speaker 7: I remember the TV show Frontline, Sharry. I'm sure you
23:47
Speaker 7: do as well. It was one of those fantastic shows
23:49
Speaker 7: put together by the working dog team here in Australia.
23:52
Speaker 7: Rob Sitch and Jane Kennedy and many others, and they
23:56
Speaker 7: highlighted some of the crazy tricks and track that TV
24:01
Speaker 7: Current Affairs crews get up to. And that was all
24:02
Speaker 7: aimed at the commercial TV networks, of course, and we
24:06
Speaker 7: always presume that our ABC would never do a thing
24:08
Speaker 7: like that. I don't know how something like this happens.
24:11
Speaker 7: It's just unbelievable that it could be allowed to be
24:14
Speaker 7: up online for so long. And when you think about it,
24:17
Speaker 7: why would someone move gun shots from one section of
24:21
Speaker 7: a video to another. I mean, the footage is dramatic enough.
24:24
Speaker 7: I mean you've got an Australian commando and a helicopter
24:27
Speaker 7: flying above Afghanistan in the middle of a conflict, firing
24:32
Speaker 7: down below on suspected insurgents. That's dramatic enough. Why would
24:36
Speaker 7: you need to dress it up any more than it
24:38
Speaker 7: already is. And to move the gun shots from the
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Speaker 7: end of the sequence to the start of the sequence,
24:43
Speaker 7: you're changing the story because, as we've heard from Heston Russell,
24:47
Speaker 7: there was one warning shot and if you look closely
24:50
Speaker 7: at that warning shot, it was not directed at the
24:52
Speaker 7: individual on the ground. The gun moved away from them
24:56
Speaker 7: and shot the ground near them to send a sign
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Speaker 7: to them that we're up above and we're coming after you.
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Speaker 7: And sometimes when you fire a warning shot like that,
25:03
Speaker 7: Heston Russell says, the person will stop in their tracks,
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Speaker 7: and that's what they're after. They were trying to kill
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Speaker 7: people from the air. They were trying to capture people
25:10
Speaker 7: and to gain information from them. And to then move
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Speaker 7: the one single warning shot and replace it with six
25:18
Speaker 7: shots after each other.
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Speaker 14: It looked like.
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Speaker 7: Australian troops were showing very little regard for human life.
25:26
Speaker 7: And it's just phenomenal when you think about all of
25:28
Speaker 7: the mistakes that the ABC made on this and all
25:30
Speaker 7: of the warnings they've had. Shari think about all those moments.
25:33
Speaker 7: It's a bit like watching one of those movies where
25:36
Speaker 7: you're thinking, no, don't do that, get out of that,
25:38
Speaker 7: escape that, and the person keeps falling into trap after
25:41
Speaker 7: trap after trap. They've had so many chances to apologize,
25:45
Speaker 7: including David Anderson, the outgoing ABC boss, who was there
25:49
Speaker 7: before that parliamentary committee, and he said, I'm not going
25:52
Speaker 7: to apologize. He wasn't even asked whether he was going
25:54
Speaker 7: to apologize, but he volunteered, I'm not going to apologize.
25:57
Speaker 7: If anyone deserves an apology from the ABC, it's Heston.
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Speaker 3: Russell one hundred percent. He had his reputation and life
26:04
Speaker 3: destroyed over this. It's possible that he might not have
26:08
Speaker 3: survived it. Thankfully he has. Thankfully he is seeing justice
26:12
Speaker 3: now thanks to the courts and media reporting, including yours
26:16
Speaker 3: on the two GB. But these personal attacks have been
26:20
Speaker 3: incredibly hurtful, the arrogance of the ABC not only refusing
26:24
Speaker 3: to apologize, but also Mark Willisy's conduct.
26:28
Speaker 2: I mean, Ben, when you were first reporting on this, Mark.
26:31
Speaker 3: Willisey rang your producer, James Willison, who's now at the Telly,
26:35
Speaker 3: who I just had on the show, and yelled at
26:37
Speaker 3: you guys over this.
26:40
Speaker 7: I can still remember sitting on air that morning and
26:44
Speaker 7: talking to the microphone and just looking outside the studio
26:47
Speaker 7: window and seeing James Willis out there with a shocked
26:50
Speaker 7: look on his face. And look, James is a bloke
26:53
Speaker 7: who can handle many many things. He's not intimidated by anyone,
26:57
Speaker 7: but to see his reaction that morning, and then when
27:00
Speaker 7: I threw to a commercial break, I asked him what
27:02
Speaker 7: was going on and he explained that Mark Willisey had
27:04
Speaker 7: just unloaded on him. James was in stun silence and
27:07
Speaker 7: then later called Mark Willisey back and return serve. But
27:11
Speaker 7: it was a sign of how sensitive they were. I mean,
27:14
Speaker 7: they were wrong on so many counts on this, but
27:16
Speaker 7: if you think about it, from the very beginning Showry,
27:19
Speaker 7: they had a bloke and James explained this and a
27:21
Speaker 7: column in the Sunday Telegraph on Sunday, a bloke in
27:24
Speaker 7: America who said, look, I'm warning you, I'm a bit
27:26
Speaker 7: foggy on this. I'm a bit fuzzy on this. Don't
27:29
Speaker 7: go basing a story on what I'm saying because I
27:32
Speaker 7: can't rely on my memory.
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Speaker 1: That was the source.
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Speaker 7: He didn't see anything. He was not an eyewitness. He
27:38
Speaker 7: was an ear witness. He heard a sound and from
27:41
Speaker 7: that sound he came up with a claim that turned
27:46
Speaker 7: into the ABC calling it a war crime. And then
27:48
Speaker 7: you know, they had the platoon wrong, they had the
27:50
Speaker 7: rotation wrong, they had the dates wrong. It was wrong, wrong, wrong,
27:54
Speaker 7: And now we find out there was a manipulation going
27:56
Speaker 7: on in the edit suite. And look, I'm with James
27:59
Speaker 7: Willis on this. Someone will lose their job over this,
28:01
Speaker 7: and I'm just hoping it's not some poor editor in
28:04
Speaker 7: the ABC editing suites, because it needs to go higher
28:07
Speaker 7: up than that.
28:08
Speaker 2: Higher up, how high? Who do you think should lose
28:10
Speaker 2: their job?
28:10
Speaker 7: Mark Willersey, Well, look, I certainly think that this story
28:16
Speaker 7: warrants a proper examination of processes. I think if you
28:19
Speaker 7: have a look at Joe Puccini, who was above Mark Willersey,
28:23
Speaker 7: she was just running a defense left, right and center
28:25
Speaker 7: from the very beginning on this instead of sitting down
28:28
Speaker 7: and saying, right, oh, let's start from the beginning here,
28:30
Speaker 7: what have we got? Show me the emails. The fact
28:33
Speaker 7: that those things had to come to light in the
28:35
Speaker 7: Federal Court of Australia just shows that the processes weren't
28:38
Speaker 7: followed to begin with. I would be directing my criticism
28:42
Speaker 7: to Joe Puccini to be saying to her, listen, you're
28:44
Speaker 7: in charge here. When questions are raised about our reporting,
28:48
Speaker 7: when there are criticisms that are leveled at our journalism, you've
28:51
Speaker 7: got to then conduct a bit of an audit and say,
28:54
Speaker 7: what have we got? Where did it come from? Do
28:56
Speaker 7: we need to retract here? Do we need to clarify
28:58
Speaker 7: or correct or apologize? This should have been done long
29:01
Speaker 7: before it turned up in the Federal Court of Australia.
29:04
Speaker 3: All Right, ben Fordham, always love having you on the show,
29:07
Speaker 3: and I have to say I was very moved by
29:10
Speaker 3: your story this morning, terrible story about that twelve year
29:13
Speaker 3: old girl who took her own life after being so
29:16
Speaker 3: badly bullied. And you know you are just a champion
29:19
Speaker 3: of so many families. So I'm sure you'll talk about
29:22
Speaker 3: that on air again tomorrow if everyone watches starting at
29:26
Speaker 3: five am the Breakfast Club. Thankfully that's not a club
29:29
Speaker 3: I'm part of, Get up at six, not five, but
29:32
Speaker 3: ben Fordham on air every morning from five am.
29:34
Speaker 2: Now to someone else who's been.
29:36
Speaker 3: Relentless in holding the ABC to account and senate estimates
29:39
Speaker 3: over this. We've showed you the grilling that Sarah Henderson
29:42
Speaker 3: gave the ABC bosses and she joins us now, Sarah,
29:47
Speaker 3: thank you for your time. Look you just heard Ben
29:50
Speaker 3: Fordham say that perhaps the head of the ABC's investigations unit,
29:54
Speaker 3: Joe Puccini, should be sacked over this. What consequences do
29:58
Speaker 3: you think there should be after this admission by the
30:02
Speaker 3: ABC that it docted video to add in more gunshots.
30:08
Speaker 14: We'll shrey good evening.
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Speaker 11: Firstly, let me say this is a story the ABC
30:12
Speaker 11: got very very wrong and there needs to be a
30:16
Speaker 11: full investigation. This is the most appalling standards of journalism,
30:21
Speaker 11: and the fact that the ABC was presented with the
30:24
Speaker 11: evidence showing they had the story wrong and they continue
30:27
Speaker 11: to prosecute the case in the federal court mounting up
30:31
Speaker 11: millions of dollars in costs is an absolute disgrace.
30:34
Speaker 2: So there does need to be a full investigation.
30:36
Speaker 11: Including in relation to the doctoring of the video. Of course,
30:41
Speaker 11: the Channel seven Spotlight program raised very very serious matters
30:46
Speaker 11: and so that does need to be fully investigated. It's
30:49
Speaker 11: also been brought to my attention that the ABC employees
30:52
Speaker 11: might have broader statutory obligations to act with honesty and
30:57
Speaker 11: due diligence and care and good faith, and those requirements
31:02
Speaker 11: are in the Public Governance, Performance and Accountability at twenty thirteen.
31:08
Speaker 2: So this is a very very serious.
31:10
Speaker 11: Matter and we need all of the answers, Sharry, and
31:13
Speaker 11: we need them urgently.
31:15
Speaker 3: Sarah, what's your view on the ABC using unlimited taxpayer
31:20
Speaker 3: funds for a case like this? Do you think there
31:23
Speaker 3: should be a limit to how far the ABC can
31:26
Speaker 3: go when it's defending ultimately a hopeless defamation case with
31:30
Speaker 3: taxpayer funds.
31:34
Speaker 11: Well, I think the bottom line is that they failed
31:37
Speaker 11: the ordinary standards of good journalism. They didn't interrogate the facts,
31:41
Speaker 11: and rather than do their job, they continue to prosecute
31:44
Speaker 11: this in the Federal court, mounting millions of dollars. And
31:47
Speaker 11: it's very clear to me, Shari that the ABC has
31:50
Speaker 11: not been a model vitigant. They could have resolved and
31:54
Speaker 11: settled this matter for a very small amount of money.
31:56
Speaker 11: In fact, initially they could have resolved it for no
32:00
Speaker 11: money at all, just an apology and removing the offensive material.
32:04
Speaker 11: But the ABC doubled down, They did not check their facts,
32:07
Speaker 11: They ran this horrendous case in the Federal court and
32:11
Speaker 11: Heston Russell was subjected to the most appalling conduct by
32:17
Speaker 11: our national broadcaster. So I think as part of this
32:20
Speaker 11: full investigation, the actions of the lawyers, as I said
32:24
Speaker 11: in cened estimates, must also be fully investigated.
32:27
Speaker 3: All right, Well, Sarah Henderson, good on you for holding
32:30
Speaker 3: them to account and thank you for your time this evening.
32:34
Speaker 3: Now after the break, could we be heading for Peter
32:37
Speaker 3: Dutton Prime Minister ship. Well, the polster behind this new
32:40
Speaker 3: research will join me Live plus A War of words
32:43
Speaker 3: between the.
32:44
Speaker 2: PM and Elon Musk.
32:46
Speaker 3: As Musk doubles down on his fascist comment, that's all
32:50
Speaker 3: coming up, don't go away, welcome back. Well, Anthony Albernezi
32:57
Speaker 3: should be getting worried because you. Polling today shows the
33:01
Speaker 3: Coalition is inching closer to the prospect of minority government.
33:06
Speaker 3: Freshwater Strategy polling shows that on a two party preferred basis,
33:10
Speaker 3: the Coalition now leads at fifty two percent. Meanwhile, Labour's
33:15
Speaker 3: primary is tanking down two points to thirty percent, and
33:19
Speaker 3: according to this pole, the Coalition's.
33:21
Speaker 2: Primary is at forty two percent.
33:23
Speaker 3: We're joining us to n pack, is Freshwater Strategy Director
33:26
Speaker 3: Leo Shanahan. Leo, this is extraordinary polling. Can you tell
33:31
Speaker 3: us a bit more about these results?
33:32
Speaker 18: Yeah, well, look, I mean you say it's extraordinary, it's
33:34
Speaker 18: actually pretty consistent with the trend that we've had. We
33:37
Speaker 18: had a trend whereby two pp effectively Labor fell behind
33:44
Speaker 18: a month ago and had fallen behind before. Now it's
33:48
Speaker 18: at fifty two to forty eight to the Coalition. Now
33:53
Speaker 18: that is, you know, it is within the margin of error,
33:56
Speaker 18: but it's showing pretty consistently. It's about fifty to fifty
33:59
Speaker 18: two aabouts, and a really worrying thing for Labor is
34:03
Speaker 18: that is that primary vote that's dropped down just to
34:06
Speaker 18: thirty with the cualition going up over forty now forty two. Now,
34:13
Speaker 18: if that swing on a two pp basis was reflected,
34:19
Speaker 18: and I should say swings are very rarely uniform, of course,
34:23
Speaker 18: but if that swing was reflected at federal election, based
34:26
Speaker 18: on these results, we'd have a seat count of Labor
34:28
Speaker 18: just at sixty five and the Coalition at seventy five.
34:33
Speaker 18: So obviously, on those numbers, the box seat to form
34:37
Speaker 18: a government, I should say, and fresh Water in our
34:40
Speaker 18: head of polling Dr Mike Turner has said more likely
34:44
Speaker 18: on these numbers, we're looking about seventy seats for the Coalition,
34:48
Speaker 18: but you know, still very close between the two major.
34:52
Speaker 3: Posts, and I should say he is a highly respective
34:55
Speaker 3: polster by both political parties. Can you tell us which
34:59
Speaker 3: vote issues and concerns are shaping the results contributing to
35:04
Speaker 3: this momentum.
35:05
Speaker 18: Yeah, well it's that key. It's that cost of living again, Sharry.
35:08
Speaker 18: I mean it's been I've spoken to you before about this,
35:11
Speaker 18: but look at that. I mean, it's cost of living
35:13
Speaker 18: in daylight and really a cost of living and housing
35:16
Speaker 18: and accommodation are really a super issue in terms of
35:20
Speaker 18: the way in which it's viewed in the electric because
35:23
Speaker 18: housing accommodation is very much the cost housing and accommodation,
35:27
Speaker 18: that is, interest rates, rent for renters and interest rates
35:32
Speaker 18: for mortgage holders.
35:33
Speaker 1: So it's that.
35:35
Speaker 18: Issue and the inability or the perception of an inability
35:39
Speaker 18: of this government to deal with that issue after it
35:42
Speaker 18: put it central in the last election saying.
35:45
Speaker 1: That it would.
35:46
Speaker 3: Peter Dutton's also spent a good amount of time, you know,
35:49
Speaker 3: a full fortnight of a parliamentary sitting period focusing on
35:54
Speaker 3: alban easy bringing in Gazans without proper security checks. How
35:59
Speaker 3: does this issue of immigration and national security feature in voters.
36:03
Speaker 18: Concerns, Well, it does increasingly actually figure in voter concerns,
36:08
Speaker 18: and concerningly for the Labor Party, it's very much an
36:11
Speaker 18: issue that the Coalition historically is owned and that trend
36:16
Speaker 18: is not going anywhere. In fact, it's gaining ground in
36:18
Speaker 18: terms of both immigration, national security and this view of
36:23
Speaker 18: criminality as well, which is kind of tied up in
36:27
Speaker 18: the in the issue of concerns about you know, refugees
36:35
Speaker 18: not having proper security checks and those that were obviously
36:39
Speaker 18: released obviously released incorrectly into the community, and that we're.
36:46
Speaker 2: Then from the immigration from immigrated attention exactly.
36:49
Speaker 3: Yep, all right, Leah Shanahan, thank you so much for
36:52
Speaker 3: your time, really appreciate it.
36:53
Speaker 2: Thanks y Now.
36:55
Speaker 3: Labor Insider also believes Albanezi could be on the cusp
36:58
Speaker 3: of a major pal defeat, and he'll speak about this
37:02
Speaker 3: on air for the first time after the break. Plus,
37:05
Speaker 3: Joe Biden and Kamala Harris respond to the second assassination
37:09
Speaker 3: attempt on Donald Trump.
37:11
Speaker 2: That's all coming up. Welcome back.
37:17
Speaker 3: Well, a prominent labor strategist is predicting that Labor might
37:21
Speaker 3: be on the cusp of a voice like federal election defeat,
37:25
Speaker 3: and he thinks the coalition could be poised to win
37:28
Speaker 3: the next election. And Cameron Milner joins us now along
37:31
Speaker 3: with John Howard's former press secretary David Gazard for our
37:35
Speaker 3: regular Monday panel. Welcome gentlemen. Cameron, talk us through your
37:39
Speaker 3: reasoning here.
37:42
Speaker 13: Well, Sharie, a week ago you challenged me on the
37:44
Speaker 13: program to name the seats and show that I was
37:47
Speaker 13: the only person saying Labor could lose, and so I
37:49
Speaker 13: went through the exercise and I got Cos Samaris, a
37:51
Speaker 13: very good polster from Redbridge, to check my work as well.
37:53
Speaker 1: We looked at news.
37:54
Speaker 13: Pot, we looked at Freshwater, we looked at all the
37:55
Speaker 13: poles out there, and all the Poles are saying one thing.
37:58
Speaker 13: Labour's behind and even further behind than the last election
38:02
Speaker 13: on their primary and the Coalition consolidate their primary to
38:05
Speaker 13: election winning levels in the low forties. And so we
38:08
Speaker 13: extrapolate that seat by seat, state by state, Labour's well behind.
38:12
Speaker 13: The best Labor can hope for. The best Labor can
38:15
Speaker 13: hope for is a minority government with Adam Bant and
38:17
Speaker 13: the Teals being in charge, and that that's what Albanize
38:20
Speaker 13: wants to take the next election. Good luck to him,
38:22
Speaker 13: or in fact, Labor's actually on the customer losing altogether,
38:25
Speaker 13: because even if Dutton falls short, as my article says,
38:28
Speaker 13: I think there are a couple of Conservatives in the
38:31
Speaker 13: Lower House will get re elected who may well plum
38:33
Speaker 13: for him to be the Prime Minister of Australia and
38:35
Speaker 13: the LNP to form government after just one term of Labor.
38:39
Speaker 13: So that's the really serious conversation.
38:40
Speaker 1: Labor's got to have Sharik.
38:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that article, of course is in the Night Leave.
38:44
Speaker 3: If you want to read it, you can search for
38:46
Speaker 3: that online. Dave Gazard, what do you think we've heard
38:49
Speaker 3: about this Freshwater polling tonight, which is an official polling
38:54
Speaker 3: company Cameron's given his analysis. Do you think this might
38:59
Speaker 3: be wish thinking by some or do you think the
39:02
Speaker 3: momentum is against Albanzi here?
39:06
Speaker 19: Well, the momentum is certainly against Albinesi. The question is
39:09
Speaker 19: can he arrest the slide and bring it back into
39:12
Speaker 19: a position where he can win. Now, you can come
39:16
Speaker 19: back from fifty two to forty eight down, there's no
39:19
Speaker 19: problem with that. John Howard did that several times, and
39:22
Speaker 19: he did it over the course of the election campaign.
39:25
Speaker 1: But Cameron is quite right.
39:26
Speaker 19: The numbers have just kept drifting for Anthony Albanesi and
39:30
Speaker 19: there is no sign of any restoration in sight. The
39:33
Speaker 19: other thing that I think we can add to his
39:36
Speaker 19: interesting analysis is that even that the Teal teals, the
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Speaker 19: Teals that would never normally vote for the coalition in
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Speaker 19: a pink fit but are in coalition seats, they would
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Speaker 19: have to think very carefully about going against the wishes
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Speaker 19: of a large swing towards the coalition in seats that
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Speaker 19: have traditionally been co There's been a couple of examples
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Speaker 19: of this in recent history. Probably the most prominent is
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Speaker 19: how Rob oakshot and Tony Windsor got it wrong in
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Speaker 19: the twenty ten election in both in Conservative seats, back
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Speaker 19: Julia Gillard and paid the price in the next election.
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Speaker 19: So if you're an alleged respender or a Sophie Scomps
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Speaker 19: somebody like that who's come in with a big swing
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Speaker 19: in a traditionally coalition seat, you've got to think twice
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Speaker 19: about backing alban Easy this time around. If it is
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Speaker 19: poised in a minority situation.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, indeed was Its going to be a tough battle.
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Speaker 3: That's for show for both sides. Let's have a look
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Speaker 3: at the Labour's Misinformation Bill now. Now, this has been
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Speaker 3: widely criticized by the left and the right, by every group.
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Speaker 2: Under the sun.
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Speaker 3: The Coalition has accused Albanezy of being contemptuous of free speech.
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Speaker 3: Here was David Coleman with Andrew Clenel yesterday.
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Speaker 12: The government got this wrong catastrophically last time, Andrews. So
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Speaker 12: I've minused to put this bill out in June last year.
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Speaker 12: We had four months when pretty much everyone in Australia
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Speaker 12: came out and said it was a grotesque piece of legislation,
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Speaker 12: from the Civil Liberties Council to the Human Rights Commission.
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Speaker 12: They pulled the bill in disgrace in November. They then
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Speaker 12: work on it for ten months and then they've come
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Speaker 12: out with a bill which has a lot of issues.
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Speaker 12: We in the Coalition will always stand up for free speech.
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Speaker 12: We did that last time. We thought this bill very
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Speaker 12: hard it had to be withdrawn, and will certainly fight
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Speaker 12: hard for free speech this time.
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Speaker 3: Caaron, I've spoken a lot on the show about my
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Speaker 3: concerns about this piece of legislation. From a journalism perspective,
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Speaker 3: Elon Musk has come out and accused the Albanezi government
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Speaker 3: of being fascists over this.
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Speaker 13: What do you think, Well, I'm not on social media,
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Speaker 13: but the social media is full of awful stuff, awful
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Speaker 13: terrorism stuff, racism and semitism, misogynistic hate. So it's a sewer.
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Speaker 13: It's a sewer shari and if it's going to be
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Speaker 13: a news or organization, if it wants to promulgate itself
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Speaker 13: as that, it needs to be held to the same
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Speaker 13: standards that our show does, or you know, the Australian does,
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Speaker 13: or the wider newspapers and the radio in television Australia.
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Speaker 13: We need to have standards, but I don't think those
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Speaker 13: standards should be arbitrarily set by people like Albow. Just
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Speaker 13: because he's offended, Just because Albo doesn't like it, doesn't
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Speaker 13: mean it's wrong.
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Speaker 1: Shari.
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Speaker 13: I think that's the real concern about this bill, that
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Speaker 13: the misinformation disinformation test is not about whether it's true,
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Speaker 13: whether it's false, or whether it's actually offensive.
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Speaker 1: It's just whether Albo doesn't like it.
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Speaker 13: I think that's a really poor standard to try to
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Speaker 13: put into the bill.
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Speaker 3: I mean, David Gazard, we've heard the number of things
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Speaker 3: the Prime Minister has accused of being misinformation, including people
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Speaker 3: who opposed the Voice. So there are a lot of
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Speaker 3: concerns around this. We saw how much was censored during
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Speaker 3: the COVID pandemic. There are a lot of concerns about
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Speaker 3: having legislation around misinformation.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no doubt.
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Speaker 19: And when you get as Cameron has just rightly pointed out,
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Speaker 19: the various ministerial powers where ministers can direct reviews into
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Speaker 19: matters that it deems to be misinformation, then you've got
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Speaker 19: another worry because it's the government forcing the chilling hand
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Speaker 19: of censorship into the community. You know, it's taken all
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Speaker 19: of a few days to find out that academics who
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Speaker 19: say one thing are exempt from the legislation, but people
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Speaker 19: who repeat what they hear by the academics are caught
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Speaker 19: up in it. So there does seem to be an
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Speaker 19: arbitrariness of it, and it will be easy to pick
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Speaker 19: apart on that basis side.
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Speaker 2: Imagine, Yeah, it is. It's quite terrifying.
43:42
Speaker 3: Now, very quickly before we go from a Defense foss
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Speaker 3: Chief Angus Campbell and other prominent military figures are being
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Speaker 3: urged to give back their medals. Cameron, what do you
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Speaker 3: think do you think this would be appropriate for the
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Speaker 3: top brice to surrender their honors given others.
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Speaker 2: Have had to.
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Speaker 13: Well, it stops at the top as far as I'm concerned, Shari,
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Speaker 13: and they should if they're not asked to leave them,
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Speaker 13: they should actually do the voluntary thing and give them up.
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Speaker 13: I mean, ultimately, the buck stops at the top of
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Speaker 13: the Defense Force. For what has been found the burrit
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Speaker 13: and report. You can't just fire middle management. The CEO
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Speaker 13: has got to go as well.
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Speaker 2: David, what's your take on this?
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Speaker 19: Yeah, look, I hate this debate. In the Defense services,
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Speaker 19: we train these people to go into really really difficult
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Speaker 19: jobs in a wide range of challenging circumstances, and then
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Speaker 19: we pick it apart from the side through through media
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Speaker 19: articles and inquiries when it's highly dynamic. But I tend
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Speaker 19: to agree with Cameron on this. If there is malfeasan's
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Speaker 19: displayed in the defense forces, the buck stops with the
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Speaker 19: commanding officers. You can't just sort of, you know, push
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Speaker 19: it down the line to the poor person in Afghanistan
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Speaker 19: or Iraq who's who's had been forced into a difficult
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Speaker 19: situation and maybe made the wrong choice. He's got a
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Speaker 19: commanding off us and that extends all the way up
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Speaker 19: into the senior brass Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this debate is going to run for
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Speaker 3: a while yet. All Right, David Gazzard, Camra Milner, thank you.
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Speaker 2: For your time.
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Speaker 3: Now after the break, Donald Trump says he hates Taylor Swift.
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Speaker 2: We'll talk about that.
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Speaker 3: Plus Biden and Kamala respond to the second assassination attempt.
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Speaker 2: This is an insider comes out to claim that.
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Speaker 3: The US ABC network leaked questions to Kamala ahead of
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Speaker 3: the debate, don't go away, that's after the break, welcome back.
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Speaker 2: Well. Photos have emerged of Donald Trump.
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Speaker 3: In golf gear and smiling after the second attempt on
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Speaker 3: his life in just two months. Let's bring in now
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Speaker 3: our Sky News contributor Koshergade to discuss Kosher. This is
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Speaker 3: highly concerning another assassination attempt. What has been the reaction
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Speaker 3: from Kamala Andree Biden along with the fomb president today.
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Speaker 10: Really concerning and just stepping back really quickly, Shari, it
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Speaker 10: really is such a remarkable day, and I feel very
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Speaker 10: sad for my country that there's this level of hatred
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Speaker 10: out there, whether directly or stoked or every which way
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Speaker 10: in between. And I do fear for the former president
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Speaker 10: that now this has not happened for forty years in
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Speaker 10: the history of the country. The last one was Ronald
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Speaker 10: Reagan's attempted assassination, and now in a matter of sixty
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Speaker 10: two days, you have not one, but two attempts. So
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Speaker 10: it is highly, highly concerning. In terms of the reaction,
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Speaker 10: Kamala Harris put out a statement that I think you
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Speaker 10: know was appropriate. She condemned all forms of violence as
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Speaker 10: it has no place in America and express relief that
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Speaker 10: President Trump is safe. I will say that it felt
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Speaker 10: a little bit boilerplate to me. I think she actually
46:44
Speaker 10: missed an opportunity to do something more vice presidential, such
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Speaker 10: as a live televised address from the West Wing or
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Speaker 10: something like that might have helped take down that temperature.
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Speaker 10: But at least you know the statement was out there.
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Speaker 10: President Biden put a statement out I think hours late.
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Speaker 10: It was three hours late and after the Vice president,
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Speaker 10: which I don't.
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Speaker 2: Think was a good look.
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Speaker 10: And I also really quickly looked at other people like
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Speaker 10: former President Obama, Michelle Obama, vice President Mike Pen's, Dick Cheney,
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Speaker 10: all these people who are obviously not big fans of Trump.
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Speaker 10: There was the silence, I think was quite conspicuous. I
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Speaker 10: didn't see a lot of statements coming out from them,
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Speaker 10: and I think that's something that's a little bit unfortunate,
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Speaker 10: because this really is a serious matter.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they claim to care about democracy, Well, democracy means
47:26
Speaker 3: both candidates staying alive before and after the election, and
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Speaker 3: I think there are serious concerns that Donald Trump may
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Speaker 3: not survive an assassination attempt. I think this is a
47:37
Speaker 3: genuinely terrifying prospect. Now we got another indication today that
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Speaker 3: Trump hasn't taken Taylor Swift's endorsement of Kamala Harris Well.
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Speaker 2: He wrote on social.
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Speaker 3: Media, I hate Taylor Swift, but surely this reaction Kosher
47:54
Speaker 3: won't go down well either, given she is literally one
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Speaker 3: of the most popular figures in well not just the
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Speaker 3: US but lively.
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Speaker 10: Yes, I think you know that's Trump being Trump with
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Speaker 10: his four worded tweet that drove all these media cycles.
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Speaker 10: I think the whole Taylor Swift thing, it's great for
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Speaker 10: commanding attention in the media cycle and sucking up the oxygen,
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Speaker 10: just given the name brand that she is, and Trump
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Speaker 10: knows how to play into that, for better or for worse.
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Speaker 10: I don't know that she's really going to influence too
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Speaker 10: many opinions of undecided voters, the few remaining ones in
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Speaker 10: the swing states. But the biggest value she brings is
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Speaker 10: potentially her contributions to database of voters, because since we
48:36
Speaker 10: don't have mandatory voting in the US as you know,
48:38
Speaker 10: it so much about it as the turnout game and
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Speaker 10: the machinery of both parties being able to target those
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Speaker 10: last few remaining voters who may not have turned out
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Speaker 10: to vote in the swing states, and she's got this
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Speaker 10: database of hundreds of thousands of concert goers, people that
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Speaker 10: are typically low propensity voters because they're young and they're
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Speaker 10: not inclined to show up at the polls, and she
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Speaker 10: can convert even one to two percent of those people
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Speaker 10: to show up and vote. That potentially is problematic. And
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Speaker 10: I think the counter to that is going to be
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Speaker 10: the Republican Party doing everything they can to drive turn
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Speaker 10: out from their base to counter what I would call
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Speaker 10: the Taylor Swift database effect.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I think it is possible though, that people like their
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Speaker 3: favorite pop star but don't necessarily follow their political insights.
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Speaker 3: And as many have pointed out, she is the woman
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Speaker 3: famous from making wrong decisions, at least.
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Speaker 2: When it comes to men. So there you go.
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Speaker 3: Look just twenty seconds, Kosher. There's claims on social media.
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Speaker 3: We don't know if they're credible or not. They're probably
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Speaker 3: not credible that a US whistleblower says that the questions
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Speaker 3: were given to Kamala Harris before the debate.
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Speaker 10: Yes, in regardless of the veracity of those comments, I
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Speaker 10: think what it's highlighting and underscoring is what we all
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Speaker 10: saw with our own eyes in terms of the lopsided
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Speaker 10: nature of the moderators, and that what's interesting here is
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Speaker 10: it's getting a lot of weight and traction from people
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Speaker 10: like Bill Ackman and Elon Musk that are asking Bob Iger,
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Speaker 10: the CEO of Disney that's the parent company of ABC,
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Speaker 10: to investigate, which is interesting. But other than that, as
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Speaker 10: you see, who knows what's going to come from this.
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Speaker 3: All right, Always great to have you on the show, Koshagada,
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Speaker 3: Thank you, and that's it for me. I'll see you
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Speaker 3: tomorrow at eight o'clock. Right now, Paul Mara