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Are New Orleans Saints Targeting Washington Commanders OC Kliff Kingsbury? · AFR Saints

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  Speaker 1: It's just it's everything that's been reported chronologically. There's reports,
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  Speaker 1: there's conformation, and then there's rumors, so it's all there
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  Speaker 1: one that there's a couple on Wednesday that were reported
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  Speaker 1: that were really interesting early Wednesday.
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  Speaker 2: Actually believe it was late Tuesday.
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  Speaker 1: Davis Webb, who's the offensive coordinator for the Denver Broncos,
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  Speaker 1: is one that was reported that the Saints would have
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  Speaker 1: interested in speaking with. That was later refuted by Nick Underhill,
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  Speaker 1: and then Josina Anderson tweeted that she was told at
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  Speaker 1: least four teams have expressed interest in talking with Cliff
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  Speaker 1: Kingsbury about their head coaching vacancy, and among those four
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  Speaker 1: that she listed were the New Orleans Saints. Now, that
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  Speaker 1: was another one that has now been refuted to suggest
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  Speaker 1: that the Saints aren't one of the four.
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  Speaker 2: But what do you This is where it's hard to tell.
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  Speaker 2: What do you believe? Who do you believe?
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  Speaker 1: It's I always say, believe nothing, consider everything. Dosina Anderson's
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  Speaker 1: report is that she said, I'm told the Saints and
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  Speaker 1: Bears are the two teams that have officially requested interviews
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  Speaker 1: with commander's OC Cliff Kingsbury.
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  Speaker 2: I'll go with that as legitimate.
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  Speaker 1: Josina Anderson is a very reputable NFL reporter, and she's
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  Speaker 1: citing sources saying that the Bears and the Saints are
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  Speaker 1: the two that have officially requested an interview with Kingsbury.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna come back to Kingsbury because i do think
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  Speaker 1: that of the ones I'm about to discuss is the
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  Speaker 1: most significant, most interesting. But the Saints have announced they
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  Speaker 1: have conducted their interview with Dolphins d c Anthony Weaver.
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  Speaker 1: There is a report from ESPN's Jeremy Foulder that the
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  Speaker 1: Saints will interview Mike Kafka, the offensive coordinator for the
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  Speaker 1: New York Giants. And then, as we mentioned, there was
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  Speaker 1: the Davis Webb report, which has since been refuted.
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  Speaker 2: But again, what do we really know? What do we believe?
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  Speaker 1: At this point, I think the Cliff Kingsbury report is
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  Speaker 1: the most interesting. So my contention in talking about this,
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  Speaker 1: this Saints' coaching search is that I want a young,
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  Speaker 1: offensive minded head coach, preferably from the Shanahan McVeigh tree.
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  Speaker 1: The NFL is a copycat league. That's the direction the
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  Speaker 1: league is going, and there's a lot of coaches that
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  Speaker 1: have had success from Shanahan and San Francisco McVeigh with
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  Speaker 1: the Rams, Kevin O'Connell with the Vikings, especially guys that
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  Speaker 1: have a great knowledge of how to develop the quarterback position.
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  Speaker 2: I think that is imperative.
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  Speaker 1: You gotta have a great quarterback and great quarterback production
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  Speaker 1: in the NFL to be great in twenty twenty, in
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five and beyond. So you get someone who
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  Speaker 1: is great at that, then you're never beholden to one guy.
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  Speaker 1: For example, we could certainly look at the Lions, who
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  Speaker 1: are awesome this year. They're the one seed in the NFC.
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  Speaker 1: Ben Johnson's been great, Dan Campbell's been a great culture guy,
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  Speaker 1: and they've certainly maximized Jared Goff. What if Ben Johnson leaves,
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  Speaker 1: what happens there? I mean, is it fair to say, like,
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  Speaker 1: look at what Matt Ryan was with Kyle Shanahan when
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  Speaker 1: he was an MVP and had the Falcons in the
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  Speaker 1: Super Bowl with a twenty eight to three lead that
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  Speaker 1: they blew, and then look what Matt Ryan was like
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  Speaker 1: after Shanahan.
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  Speaker 2: There are examples of that all over.
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  Speaker 1: So I think that's something that will be an interesting
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  Speaker 1: test case if and or when Ben Johnson leaves Detroit.
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  Speaker 1: You don't have that question if your head coach is
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  Speaker 1: the guy who's calling the offensive developing the quarterback, which
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  Speaker 1: is why that's appealing to me. Now I have said
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to retread, and Kingsbury has been a
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  Speaker 1: head coach before. However, it feels like it's a bit
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  Speaker 1: of an asterisk because he's still a young coach and
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  Speaker 1: he is still at least the offensive minded young coach.
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  Speaker 1: And the other thing too, is while I think a
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  Speaker 1: lot of us have our opinions made of Cliff Kingsbury,
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  Speaker 1: they were made because of his time in college, not
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  Speaker 1: his time in the NFL. Cliff Kingsbury in the NFL
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  Speaker 1: was excuse me, Cliff Kingsbury as a college head coach
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  Speaker 1: had a very low ceiling at Texas Tech because in Lubbock,
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  Speaker 1: pre nil, you were never gonna have a roster good
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  Speaker 1: enough to compete at the highest level. I mean, Mike
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  Speaker 1: Leach was an amazing coach. That one year with Michael Crabtree,
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  Speaker 1: and that really special season had Texas Tech knock it
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  Speaker 1: on the door. But largely what you had was a
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  Speaker 1: lot of six and seven lost seasons. He went eight
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  Speaker 1: and five, four and eight, seven and six, five and seven,
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  Speaker 1: six and seven, five and seven. He was thirty five
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  Speaker 1: and forty overall during his time in Lubbock and quite Honestly,
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  Speaker 1: he probably cared more about his social life than he
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  Speaker 1: did about recruiting seventeen and eighteen year old kids to
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  Speaker 1: come play football. For him, the NFL is a completely
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  Speaker 1: different world. He gets the Arizona job, and I think
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  Speaker 1: we look at it and we go man, he got
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  Speaker 1: fired in Arizona.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't work as an FF coach. Not exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury actually did well in Arizona. Year one they
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  Speaker 1: were five ten and one headed a bad situation.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't great. Year two they go eight to eight.
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  Speaker 1: He went from five to ten and one to eight
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  Speaker 1: and eight to eleven and six, and they went to
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  Speaker 1: the playoffs. They lost the rams of the wildcard round.
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  Speaker 1: And yes, they struggled late in that season, and then
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  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two they went four and thirteen and
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  Speaker 1: he got fired. You'd say, well, look they slumped at
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  Speaker 1: the end of twenty one and then they were terrible
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  Speaker 1: in twenty two. That's true, But Kyler Murray also towards
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  Speaker 1: ACL and I don't care what franchise you are, you
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  Speaker 1: lose your starting quarterback, it's probably not going to go great. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: their exception Sam Darnold this year, but what do we
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  Speaker 1: really expect from a rookie and JJ McCarthy. I could
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  Speaker 1: think back to two thousand and eight the New England
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  Speaker 1: Patriots when Brady got hurt, Matt Castle led him to
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  Speaker 1: an eleven win season, Greatest franchise in the history of
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  Speaker 1: the NFL, greatest dynasty in the history of the NFL.
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  Speaker 1: The point is, I think Cliff Kingsbury is a pretty
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  Speaker 1: good coach. He's a really good offensive coach, and he
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  Speaker 1: gets a lot of credit for what he's done this
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  Speaker 1: year with rookie Jaden Daniels. So could I see a
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  Speaker 1: world where the Saints higher Cliff Kingsbury and you pair
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  Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury with Spencer Ratler to see if he can
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  Speaker 1: maximize a young quarterback with that dual threat skill set,
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  Speaker 1: the big arm, the mobility, build an offense around him. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I could, And to be very frank, I would like
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  Speaker 1: to see what the Saints offense would look like with
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  Speaker 1: Spencer Ratler behind a healthy offensive line, with your full
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  Speaker 1: compliment of receivers in Taysom Hill and Alvin Kamara and
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  Speaker 1: the whole works. We didn't get a fair judge of
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  Speaker 1: what Spencer Ratler could be because he was playing with
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  Speaker 1: a preseason roster. I'm not in worse thing. Cliff Kingsbury
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  Speaker 1: is like my top candidate. I'm just saying, if they're
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  Speaker 1: serious and this is a direction they go, I wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: hate it because he is a good offensive coach in
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  Speaker 1: the NFL. He is a good quarterback coach. He's got
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  Speaker 1: the record to prove that. Can he be a high level,
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  Speaker 1: playoff caliber culture guy in the NFL. I don't know that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that we have enough sample of that.
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  Speaker 1: But he is a much better NFL fit than he
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  Speaker 1: was a college fit at Texas Tech, where the ceiling
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  Speaker 1: was going to be low no matter who was coaching
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  Speaker 1: that team.
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  Speaker 2: I get him.
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  Speaker 1: Man, there's gonna be a lot of people look at
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  Speaker 1: Cliff and you see the beach pictures with his shirt
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  Speaker 1: off with the co Eds and all that stuff, and
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  Speaker 1: I get it. And you can ask, legitimately, is that
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  Speaker 1: the culture that you want to welcome into your organization
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  Speaker 1: as your head coach? And we can legitimately have that conversation.
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  Speaker 1: But if we're having a football conversation about offensive football
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  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five in the NFL, you could do
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  Speaker 1: much worse in Cliff Kingsbury