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Mina Kimes on What's Really Wrong With Sam Darnold & the Seahawks and Can Justin Herbert be fixed? | 10.22 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time presented by PrizePix.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Bomani Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you
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  Speaker 1: a hater. It is that time of week where we
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  Speaker 1: have a guest join us. Check her out on the
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  Speaker 1: Mina Kams show featuring Lenny. And they make her go
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  Speaker 1: to every Monday night football game. Now, Mina Kams, what's
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  Speaker 1: going on?
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  Speaker 2: Philadelphia next week.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're married to an Eagles fan. You are
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  Speaker 1: mired in this.
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  Speaker 2: Rancid vibes there right now. Just rancid. Actually, but I
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  Speaker 2: think the Cowboys, so ain't no way they're, let me
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  Speaker 2: check that.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, they are.
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  Speaker 2: Getting rid of that game. But yeah, that's who's going
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  Speaker 2: to win the NFC East conversation is probably going to
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  Speaker 2: happen all week.
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  Speaker 1: Well, actually, I think the most fun part about covering
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  Speaker 1: a game like that for you is is no one
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  Speaker 1: will ever sound more optimistic about tanner mckee than the
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  Speaker 1: world will for the whole afternoon leading up to that
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  Speaker 1: game because this network is not in the business of
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  Speaker 1: telling people not to watch stuff that's true i i.
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  Speaker 2: Do think it's funny because when tanner mckee first came
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  Speaker 2: on the scene he had and you you're very familiar
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  Speaker 2: with this uh phenomena with uh certain backup yes um
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  Speaker 2: there was enthusiasm around him but i think that's evaporated
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  Speaker 2: in philadelphia philly fans are the best man they're either
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  Speaker 2: like you dumbass sorry weren't you idiots were the best
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  Speaker 2: teams in the nfl how dare you.
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  Speaker 1: Not respect us this ain't that kind of show you
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  Speaker 1: can do whatever you want you ain't gotta worry about
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  Speaker 1: that playmakers playmaker sports is not uh coming down hitting.
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  Speaker 2: The button on you All right, so it's either that
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  Speaker 2: or it's we have the worst team in the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: Fire everyone. We hate all of our players. How dare
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  Speaker 2: you think any of them are worth anything? So it's
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  Speaker 2: either one or the other, and right now we're obviously
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  Speaker 2: in negative territory.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Mina, those who are watching, you can see that
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  Speaker 1: tattoo of the Roman numerals. That's from when the Seahawks
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  Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl the first time, not the second time.
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  Speaker 1: And did you expect that they would be three games
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  Speaker 1: out of first place six weeks into the season?
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  Speaker 2: Uh, no, I did. I think the Rams is more
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  Speaker 2: surprising than the Seahawks. So I think the Seahawks are,
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  Speaker 2: they're all kind of benefiting a little bit from that
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  Speaker 2: because of the super team stuff with LA, right? Like
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  Speaker 2: going into the season, it was that nobody believes in
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  Speaker 2: the Seahawks, so disrespected. And now it's like, well, the
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  Speaker 2: Rams were supposed to be dominant.
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  Speaker 1: What about them, huh? Right.
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  Speaker 2: I think there's some surprising things and some unsurprising things as, however,
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  Speaker 2: the mayor of, Sam Darnold, same Darnold Island, pardon me.
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  Speaker 2: You are living proof that if you just wait on
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  Speaker 2: a take.
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  Speaker 1: Just can't give up.
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  Speaker 2: How's that feel for you?
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  Speaker 1: Oh man, it's great. Cause I had every reason to
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  Speaker 1: get off my square. You know what I mean? Like
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  Speaker 1: they won a whole Super Bowl and I swore I
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  Speaker 1: was never wrong. I swore I was. And I tried
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  Speaker 1: not to get too caught up in that, whether I'm right,
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  Speaker 1: whether I'm wrong. But this one I was not giving
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  Speaker 1: up on, man. I refuse. And I'm curious, what would
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  Speaker 1: it take for you to say, you know what, Drew,
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  Speaker 1: go get in the game?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's tricky because you're asking me two questions. One,
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  Speaker 2: am I skeptical of Sam Darnold?
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  Speaker 1: 100%.
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  Speaker 2: Do I think he's the reason why they're losing games? Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: As we discussed before, the internet basically dragged me for it.
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  Speaker 2: full on year because I was a Sam Darnold skeptic myself,
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  Speaker 2: but there's two questions. The other one is, do you
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  Speaker 2: believe in drew lock?
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Like, it's not like you're
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  Speaker 2: asking me like, Oh, are you worried about Sam Darnold?
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  Speaker 2: You're also asking me, do you think drew lock can
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  Speaker 2: come in and make a difference? I know he looked
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  Speaker 2: good in the beginning of the season, but I am
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  Speaker 2: skeptical that it would be that different because I think Seattle,
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  Speaker 2: I think they're kind of similar quarterbacks really in a way.
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  Speaker 2: And I also think Seattle's just got like majorly fundamental
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  Speaker 2: issues with their offense that I wouldn't say are responsible
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  Speaker 2: for the bad quarterback play, but exacerbate or are bad
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  Speaker 2: for a certain type of quarterback, which is to say
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  Speaker 2: one who takes unnecessary risks.
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  Speaker 1: So what do you say the problems are?
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  Speaker 2: Well, there's a certain running back coming to town this
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  Speaker 2: week who they miss great dearly. I think they can't
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  Speaker 2: run the ball. And then it's just way too, it's
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  Speaker 2: like J a center bust right now. I mean, he's
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  Speaker 2: got like a 50 something insane target share and, You
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  Speaker 2: see Darnold locking in on him. You see Darnold passing
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  Speaker 2: up sometimes, open the tight ends and whatnot. Some of
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  Speaker 2: it is not his fault. I think they miss Clint Kubiak, right?
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  Speaker 2: And they're not doing a good job of getting the
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  Speaker 2: other players involved. But the offense isn't just one-dimensional because
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  Speaker 2: one-dimensional implies you pass or run. It's one-player dimensional, which
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  Speaker 2: is usually not a great formula for success.
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  Speaker 1: Let me tell you the illogical way I've dealt with
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  Speaker 1: him coming out of college. I really only remembered watching
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  Speaker 1: him clearly play in one game, and it was that
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  Speaker 1: Rose Bowl where he had like 300-something yards receiving, which
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  Speaker 1: ordinarily under such circumstances, you'd be like, yo, I saw
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  Speaker 1: this dude had 300 yards receiving. You got to take
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  Speaker 1: him first. No, not my big-brained ass. I was like, wow,
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  Speaker 1: what an outlier performance. Clearly that cannot be taken as
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  Speaker 1: a reflection of how good this guy will be. But
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  Speaker 1: I did not ascribe that to Stroud. from that game.
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  Speaker 1: And then Stroud, like, solidified it for me in that
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  Speaker 1: Peach Bowl the following year. But the logic of me,
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  Speaker 1: he was just a little bit too good for me
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  Speaker 1: to be sure that he's actually going to be good.
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  Speaker 1: And now he's in the NFL, like, on the Jordan Jefferson,
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  Speaker 1: Jamar Chase tier of receivers.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I thought he would be good.
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  Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson. Ryan already laughing at me because I called
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  Speaker 1: him Jordan Jefferson again. My bad.
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  Speaker 2: I thought... he would be good. Jason. I didn't think
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  Speaker 2: he would be this good. Cause he was, they used
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  Speaker 2: him downfield some Ohio state for sure. But like, it
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  Speaker 2: wasn't like what he does now. Like he is a
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  Speaker 2: player who has consistently gotten better every year in the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: He was really misused early in his career in Seattle.
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  Speaker 2: It was all those like short passes and screens, which
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  Speaker 2: now in retrospect is insane. But I like, I didn't
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  Speaker 2: think he would, be in the conversation you're describing, which
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  Speaker 2: is either one or top three at worst.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. You mentioned them playing the Chiefs, and you talk
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  Speaker 1: about Kenneth Walker, who's leading the league in rushing. And
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  Speaker 1: Andy Reid, who's never really loved running the ball, is like, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and do it this time. Patrick Mahomes
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  Speaker 1: looked like nothing ever happened. He looked like he just
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  Speaker 1: needed what he really needed. I wouldn't be surprised if
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  Speaker 1: we find out he didn't actually tear his ACL last year.
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  Speaker 1: They just needed a way for him to get out
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  Speaker 1: of here and stop wasting his time with the bum
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  Speaker 1: situation they had. Because now they're undefeated, and everything looks
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  Speaker 1: like it always looked.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Walker stuff's crazy, because... I thought it was
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  Speaker 2: a good pickup. I thought they obviously needed a back.
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  Speaker 2: The run game hasn't been explosive. And I also thought
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  Speaker 2: the insider offensive line is very strong. It's better than Seattle.
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  Speaker 2: So I thought he's actually going to a superior situation.
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised if he looks good. But when
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  Speaker 2: you watch him, sometimes when you watch a run game
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  Speaker 2: and you think... anyone could put up i mean that
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  Speaker 2: typically is most run games in the nfl it's not
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  Speaker 2: that running backs the reason why like the nerds are
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  Speaker 2: always like well the running backs are kind of replaced
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  Speaker 2: was like the offensive line matters so much the scheme
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  Speaker 2: matters so much the blocking that we see great backs
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  Speaker 2: for example saquon barkley can't run the ball for shit
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  Speaker 2: suddenly now that the eagles offensive line is bad right
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  Speaker 2: but when you watch kansas city and like you watch
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  Speaker 2: him and i know you feel the same way It's
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  Speaker 2: similar to Bijan. I would put them, and I guess
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  Speaker 2: Gibbs is in that top three right now. Definitely Gibbs, sorry.
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  Speaker 2: He's doing it on his own. It is like watching
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  Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes in the passing game sometimes where it's not there.
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  Speaker 2: There's no lane there. The defender's in the backfield, and
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  Speaker 2: he's just juking dudes, forcing missed tackles, breaking tackles, getting explosives.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever... He absolutely is in the
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  Speaker 2: MVP top three for me right now, which is I
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  Speaker 2: don't think I've ever said that about a running back.
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  Speaker 1: I enjoy hearing you gush over a running back. Mina's
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  Speaker 1: more futuristic than I am. She ain't got the love
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  Speaker 1: for the running backs like some of us had the
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  Speaker 1: love for them. But to be fair, you were an
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  Speaker 1: early Bijan adopter. You never tried to fight her. You
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  Speaker 1: just wouldn't have used a first-round pick on obvious greatness,
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  Speaker 1: which is its own discussion to itself. But, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I like hearing you be happy about what a running
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  Speaker 1: back can do, even if it's the one that used
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  Speaker 1: to play for your team. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: Right. not bitter you know um but yeah this is
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  Speaker 2: could get i what i think is gonna be seattle's
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  Speaker 2: a very good run defense still right so i am
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  Speaker 2: interested in seeing this is definitely for kansas city the
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  Speaker 2: best run defense they've gone up against so i'll be
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  Speaker 2: curious to see if they can uh kind of put
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  Speaker 2: a stop to what we've seen so.
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  Speaker 1: Far yeah so what have you seen from my homes
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  Speaker 1: this year.
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  Speaker 2: Man, he looks great, but what is, like you said,
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  Speaker 2: coming off the ACL, he looks completely fine, scrambling under center,
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  Speaker 2: turning his back to the defense, moving around, making plays
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  Speaker 2: outside of structure. I just really worry about this wide
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  Speaker 2: receiver group. We got you about Kenneth Walker and the
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  Speaker 2: run game, and they're finally, you know, they actually have
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  Speaker 2: like a coherent play action passing attack attached to that,
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  Speaker 2: which they haven't had in years, but quietly and i
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  Speaker 2: never thought this is like a crazy sentence like the
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  Speaker 2: taekwondo injury is a big deal in kansas city um
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  Speaker 2: so they're one where i would really look for them
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  Speaker 2: to be active ahead of the trade deadline in terms
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  Speaker 2: of adding a receiver because mahomes is throwing it deep
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  Speaker 2: better than he has in quite some time the problem
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  Speaker 2: right now is there's no one on the receiving end
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  Speaker 2: of that because you don't trust xavier worthy so i
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  Speaker 2: would like for kansas city to.
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  Speaker 1: Go out and get someone how was uh pops kelsey
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  Speaker 1: looking this year i ain't really had a chance to
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  Speaker 1: lock in to see if he's you know got any
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  Speaker 1: business out there anymore he.
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  Speaker 2: Looks pretty good i mean he's obviously not like prime
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  Speaker 2: kelsey but he he's moving well i mean i i
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  Speaker 2: he looks i would say like a little bit better
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  Speaker 2: than last year to be honest which is pretty wild now.
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  Speaker 1: It's interesting with this chiefs team because i feel like
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  Speaker 1: what we saw from them last year it was like
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  Speaker 1: oh this thing is on its way down it's on
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  Speaker 1: its way out and i don't because of the mahomes
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  Speaker 1: injury i feel like in the off season, we never
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  Speaker 1: asked ourselves a lot of questions about, so what's happening next,
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  Speaker 1: you know, or at least over here in the, in
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  Speaker 1: the space of the generalist is like, Oh yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 1: The chiefs, my home's going to come back. I wonder
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  Speaker 1: what that looks like. And I'm pretty sure he did
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  Speaker 1: it to America's team, the Detroit lions. And I looked
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  Speaker 1: at that and I was, first of all, that was,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we'll talk about those guys a little bit later, but,
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  Speaker 1: anybody could do what he did to them. Like me
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  Speaker 1: and you can go out there and we can play
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  Speaker 1: pitch and catch against those cats. And then it just
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  Speaker 1: kept going. And it was like, Oh, okay, no, this
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  Speaker 1: is real. Got it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's, I do want to talk about them because
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  Speaker 2: I want to ask you as a lifelong lions fan,
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  Speaker 2: if you want them to add some corners and stuff,
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  Speaker 2: or if like, well put a pin in that. Cause
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  Speaker 2: I want to ask you about it. Cause there's, there's
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  Speaker 2: a few teams that are extremely lopsided offense defense in
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  Speaker 2: the league right now. And they're kind of the poster
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  Speaker 2: child for it, but yeah, it, it, I think the
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  Speaker 2: thing with Kansas City, though, that we're talking about the
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  Speaker 2: offense and Kenneth Walker and Mahomes coming back, the defense
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  Speaker 2: appears to have hit on like a bunch of picks.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what it was kind of back against the
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  Speaker 2: wall for the GM, Brett Veach, right? Brett Veach, because
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  Speaker 2: you let Trent McDuffie walk for the draft pick, who,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, is still awesome in L.A. And they
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  Speaker 2: haven't been able to get much of a pass rush.
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  Speaker 2: And what you've seen this year is not only some
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  Speaker 2: of the young players that they've added, like Master Delane
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  Speaker 2: looks incredible at corner. But also some of the draft
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  Speaker 2: picks in recent years are playing at a high level
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  Speaker 2: now up front. And then suddenly you feel pretty good
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  Speaker 2: about this defense really at all three levels. I think
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  Speaker 2: it's a top 10 defense easily. And as we know,
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  Speaker 2: that's really all you need with the homes.
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  Speaker 1: You mentioned the Rams. So what's your read aside for
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  Speaker 1: the fact now that, uh, Devontae Adams is hurt for
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  Speaker 1: six to 10 weeks. And sometime in that six to
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  Speaker 1: 10 weeks, Puka Nakua is going to get hurt. We
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  Speaker 1: don't know what, we don't know exactly how we just
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  Speaker 1: know that the likelihood is you can't play like that
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  Speaker 1: and stay healthy, but for one month at a time.
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  Speaker 1: So what, what, what is your read on what's happened?
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  Speaker 1: Cause I think almost to be fair to the Rams,
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  Speaker 1: a couple of things break differently and we're just having
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  Speaker 1: an entire, we can be having a four and two
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  Speaker 1: conversation about them very easily.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so if not for their disastrous special teams,
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  Speaker 2: they would probably be 4-2, right?
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  Speaker 1: By the way, how is Sean McVay the genius man
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  Speaker 1: that allows this to happen? This is a Chargers mistake.
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  Speaker 2: It's been many years. They lost to Seattle because of
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  Speaker 2: special teams. They just can't fix it. They've been trying.
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  Speaker 2: They tried hiring a new coach. They stuck with the
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  Speaker 2: same kicker and punter, which I think you kind of
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  Speaker 2: side-eye now a little bit, but yeah, it's been... The
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  Speaker 2: punter's fine. It's been an issue with this team for
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  Speaker 2: some time, and I don't really get it, frankly. They
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  Speaker 2: just are trying all over again with the new kicker.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, they brought the new kicker, and then he
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  Speaker 2: immediately gets hurt.
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  Speaker 1: Trying to make a tackle. 156 pounds.
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  Speaker 2: Crazy. But, yeah, I would say even if they won
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  Speaker 2: those games and they were 4-2, I would still have
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  Speaker 2: a lot of questions about this team, right, separate from
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  Speaker 2: the record. The offense just looks worse than it did
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  Speaker 2: last year. Um, Matthew Stafford just looks a little bit
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  Speaker 2: worse at everything. Honestly, like he's still, it's not like
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  Speaker 2: an arm strength thing. You can still make the difficult throws,
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  Speaker 2: but he clearly don't want to get hit. He's clearly
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  Speaker 2: got some diminished mobility. He's never been a mobile quarterback,
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  Speaker 2: obviously to begin with. Uh, and then the one thing
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  Speaker 2: that I've, I've kind of hit last year, this was
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  Speaker 2: such a devastating play action tack on early downs. So
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  Speaker 2: Matthew Stafford was like very rarely pressured because on the
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  Speaker 2: first down and second down, they'd be able to, you know,
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  Speaker 2: run the play fake and hit an explosive. that's kind
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  Speaker 2: of disappeared for a litany of reasons. And I think
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  Speaker 2: that's sort of the cascade that's created like this cascading
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  Speaker 2: effect where everything else is worse because of it. So
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  Speaker 2: it's not good. I mean, here's something, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: I want to, I want to bring this up to
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  Speaker 2: you because I feel like nobody's talking about this. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So all these injuries, we can talk about the fact
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  Speaker 2: that they take a quarterback with pick 13.
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  Speaker 1: Like if you're like, that just any quarterback, a quarterback
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  Speaker 1: that none of us would have taken with the 13th pick.
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  Speaker 2: Could use a wide receiver right now.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Could use a tight end.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they were out there running all that 13 personnel
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  Speaker 1: the first week. That's one running back and three tight ends.
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  Speaker 1: Because they didn't have enough receivers, basically, to try it
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  Speaker 1: out an actual, like, proper NFL offense.
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  Speaker 2: Casey Concepcion, sure looks good in Cleveland.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I just think.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe we got to talk about that too with the
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  Speaker 2: GM because you go all in on this super team
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  Speaker 2: timeline and you're trying to have it both ways.
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  Speaker 1: And they don't have a first round pick next year.
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  Speaker 1: They only have something like four picks in the draft,
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  Speaker 1: I think, in total next year. No, no, no. The
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  Speaker 1: fuck them picks approach to building a team. It's good
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  Speaker 1: when you win, which they did five years ago, which
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  Speaker 1: is a lifetime under these circumstances. Yeah. I would also
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: like to point out that kind of the way you're
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: talking about Matthew Stafford reminds me a bit of the way, now, granted,
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: this was a long time ago, but kind of similar
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: to the way we talked about Matt Ryan the year
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: after he won an MVP, which is just my way
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: of bringing up to people Matthew Stafford. Kind of similar.
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: Kind of like Matt Ryan with a strong arm. Speaking
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: of things, squares I'm not moving off of.
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the... think about when you don't have
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: when you're not a mobile quarterback right and i mean
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: shoot even if you are like rogers well although sometimes
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: rogers will like out of nowhere just bust a weird
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: like escape and make a play it's like you see
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: the like a weird glimpse of the old rogers but
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: i think with some of these aging and mobile quarterbacks
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: you realize how late in their careers they got to
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: be supported by everything else and when everything else starts
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: to go down a little bit, then the cracks begin
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: to appear.
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: Well, you also point to the thing about old quarterbacks that,
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, I'm surprised it doesn't apply to young
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: quarterbacks also, but the older them cats get, man, they
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: ain't really trying to take that heat, man. They're not
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: trying to take them blows this much serious. Totally.
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: It's so obvious. You know, and that's what I'll say
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: about Jared Goff. He'll stand in there and take a hit.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: He's playing really well right now.
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: By the way.
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: Jared Goff is the top three MVP. candidate so far
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: this year he is he is he's I remember it
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: was last year you asked me something by Jerry Goff
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: and I simply made the point that we are somewhat
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: fortunate to have a quarterback as good as he is
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: limitations nonetheless and you said I had changed you know
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: that the way I was talking about him was an
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: indicator that I was speaking more with sentiment and while
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: you're not terribly wrong I just want to point out
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: you could do a lot worse in this league than
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: Jerry Goff I want to.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: See you in a Jared Goff jersey. Can we crowdsource one?
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: That's a visual I want. You know, not to make
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: it dark, but I already got one white man's name
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: on my back. I ain't really trying to put a
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: second one on top of it. You know what I mean?
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: We got rules in the Jones house where we try
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: to lie. Walking out here wearing a Jared Goff jersey. Hell, no,
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: I would wear a Luka Tocci's jersey, let alone a
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: Jared Goff.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: All right, maybe a little Jared Goff bobblehead for the backdrop.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, there's only one white man's jersey in the
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: NFL that I would wear, and it's because I'm a
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: good ally, and that's Riley Moss. And I have, in fact,
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: looked online for my Riley Moss jersey. And for reasons
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: I don't understand, the Broncos don't just make those from scratch.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: And I'm kind of I feel like it's, you know,
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: they just I hate to see that. I hate to
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: see self-loathing manifest itself with the way that rather than
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: trying to lift that man up, they knock him down
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: for even trying. You know what I mean? And I
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: don't want that. I want to anywhere. Number 21, the audacity.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: I stand with Riley Moss.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: You stand with Riley Moss, yeah.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: And I'm sorry Broncos would be better if he healthy
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: out there, too. They kind of need him.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Riley Moss isn't the one who's throwing 3.9 air yards.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Speaking of not moving off your square. Like, I feel like.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: You just wait.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: They went out, you know.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: Just wait.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: Some things you just got to wait for.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: I feel like with Bo Nix, it's a whole bunch
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: of everybody with the Broncos just pointing. Like, whose job
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: is it to fix this? My hot take was that
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: it wasn't so much Sean Payton blaming Davis Webb. It
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: was Sean Payton realizing he asked too much of that man.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: And that if anybody could do it, it's either me
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: or nobody. And the answer's looking real nobody-ish. That is rough.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: That is rough.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: And by the way, they're going to play the Cardinals.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: And the Cardinals feel like if you're not good, they'll
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: beat you, team.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair. Obviously, after last week. I actually started
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: doing some game prep for that game. And I feel
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: like Bo Nix is going to take a lot of
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: performative deep shots in it because of the rhetoric this week.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: So my key was like, can... Arizona pick him a
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: few times because I just feel like after everything being
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: said about Bo Nix, hold on, let me read you
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: a stat. I pulled this. Over the last month, do
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: you know how many times Bo Nix has completed passes
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: over 10 air yards?
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: No. Five.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Five.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: Over in a month.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: How is that even possible? There's no one even in
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: his territory. Cam Ward is the closest with 13.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: Wow. And he's just trying. We're not talking about completions.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Five? No, no, completions.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Trying, though, is probably even worse. I should pull that out.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: No, no, I was just making sure, like, damn, he
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: wouldn't even try to hit him with a heave. You
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? Wow. Wow.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, over the last month, he's averaging under five air
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: yards per attempt.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Yikes.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: It's crazy.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: By the way, the Rams are playing the Raiders. I
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: can't tell what's going on there. Like, whenever I watch
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: them lose to these good teams but not look bad
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: in the process, and I don't know what that's supposed
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: to mean.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: I think they're, like, feisty mid-season. It's kind of that tier, right? Obviously,
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: you like Chris, another weird one where every now and
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: then he'll bust out like a crazy throw downfield. And
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: he's actually made a couple plays outside of structure. I
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: thought he was pretty cooked. I assumed coming off the Achilles.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: But I think what you see with the Achilles and
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: this is interesting for Indianapolis, too, with Daniel Jones is
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: like you do see guys get more mobile the further
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: they're rogers seeing it too the further they are removed
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: from it um but yeah they're just kind of average
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: to me yeah i.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Think that's fair and you know good for them right
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: if they getting getting to average for that particular outfit
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: is a hey good for you guys it's it's again
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: a team that has to play 17 road games a
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: year it's a it's a tough lot on life that
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: they have to deal with. It is. The Chargers are
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: in the same boat. You're just playing 17 road games
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: a year. It can't feel good.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The Chargers. I kind of have just stopped talking
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: about the Chargers. I'm just kind of not acknowledging that
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: they exist right now.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: I don't turn into an imperialist baron where I'm like,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: so when are people going to start getting fired, huh?
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, but when was the last time a team started 0-6, right?
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: And the head coach didn't get fired, not counting first-time
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: head coaches.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Or at least a coordinator, somebody.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: I think McDaniel's not along for this world. That's not it.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Okay, so I have not talked to you about this.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Where are you on Herbert? Because it's become a thing
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: now where I think it's revisionist history to say that
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Herbert was never good. Yeah. But he is not good
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: right now.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: 100%. Yeah, he looks broken, like everyone's saying. I think what, because,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm going to wait till the end of
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: the season, do a little soul searching on. Well, you know,
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: like when I get. shit wrong, I like to figure
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: out what was the thing so I don't do it again.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: And unfortunately, like you and I have talked a lot
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: about Josh Allen, the lesson there doesn't apply to literally
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: any human on Earth, so it's completely useless. But like
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: with Gino and Sam, I did some soul... So with Herbert,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: I think the thing I got wrong, because you're right,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: he has never been this guy. And anyone who says
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: he is is a liar or hasn't watched him and...
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: he's always, he's been in awful situations now for multiple years.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: So what is different about this awful situation, right? That's
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: leading him to throw these horrible interceptions and such. I
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: think there's two things, one of which is concerning, one
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: of which is not. The one that's a little bit
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: less concerning is it just seems like it was a
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: really bad fit with McDaniel. And I think McDaniel's offense,
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: when he thought like, well, if Tua Tungabailoa thrives in this,
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: anyone can, well, actually, maybe he, that offense is better
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: for a quarterback who's point and shoot, right? Like just
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: fall out quick, boom. Like, it seems like increasingly it
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: was a bad fit with a quarterback like Justin Herbert,
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: where that's not really a style, the types of throws
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: he makes, et cetera. The one that worries me more is,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: and this is something I think about a lot with quarterbacks,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: the cumulative effect of being hit a million times. Like
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: what if at a certain point that breaks you, you
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying? Like that's what I would worry
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: about with Justin Herbert. Cause you've been, you've been hit
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: so much. What if that just has led to this?
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: And that's what concerns me.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: I think that people ignore the fact that quarterbacks might
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: be a little more similar to kickers than people realize
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: in the sense that one day you kind of lose it.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: There are just some guys where you're just like, hey,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: wait a minute. You just don't have it anymore. Tua Tagovailoa,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: for example, no longer has it. Carson Wentz, it happened
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: years ago, but you just looked up one day and
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: you're like, oh, wow, wait a minute. He's not good anymore.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: You see regression happen with quarterbacks in ways. This is
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: a bit of an extreme example, but even though the
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: offense was simple and everything else, if you look at
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: the way Robert Griffin looked that first year he was
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: in the NFL and then he come back two years later, whoa,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: what happened? You don't seem to know how to do
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: this anymore. That happens. And I don't know after it
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: happens how easy it is to take somebody to the
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: place where they could get it or it winds up
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: being like a Geno Smith or somebody like that or
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: even Baker Mayfield. You just need to sit down for
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: a little while and not play.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: But then you got your C.J. Strouds, right, where after
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: the playoff game, lest people forget, half of the world
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: was like, it's over. This guy, his brain is melted.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: That was like substandard quarterback play and ever coming back
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: from this. He's one of the best quarterbacks in the
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: NFL this year.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: So he's young. That's important, right? He's only in, like,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: year four. Or five?
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, year four.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: But, like, talk about a bet on yourself working out.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Jesus Christ.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: But anyways, my point is, like, that's what's so scary. Because, like,
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: what if you think that, like you said, and then
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: you're dead-ass wrong?
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Like, it's just.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: It's hard to know because he's another guy who took
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: a zillion hits. And he's another guy who at this season,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: I was like, hmm, these hits have added up. And
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: then now he looks like, again, unbelievable. So it can
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: be very hard to predict.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Drake May saved himself this year because I already offered
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: my hot take. There won't be an extension at the
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: end of this year. And he's looking at me like
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be diving in gold coins.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: I think the lesson is like if they're young, like
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: just take a beat.
• 24:39
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• 24:41
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  Speaker 1: I feel like that sums these two teams up. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think....
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Yes, I think that's what we know that the Lions
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: have a great offense and we know the Lions have
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: an abysmal defense. Green Bay, like you said, is the
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: one that's harder to pin down because there's been flashes
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: of this is the offense we thought it was and
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: then flashes of, oh, my God, these offensive linemen are
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: actively trying to get Jordan Love killed. And then defensively.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: They look a little bit more competent than Detroit and
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: have actually had some really good games even without Michael Parsons.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: So they are definitely the more this could go either
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: way type team. But I want you to answer the
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: question I posed earlier. As a Lions fan, do you
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: want them to add to this defense because the offense
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: is so good? If this could even be like the
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: 20th defense in the NFL, then this is a competitive team.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: The answer is yes. I'm surprised they didn't just make
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: the move with Joey Porter Jr. was available. I just...
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: I can't explain how bad it feels just watching people
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: walk down the field on them, right? Where there's no
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: number of points that you can get. And then Kelvin
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Shepard had a disaster press conference. And I'm so glad
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: that that week after they actually played some defense. You know, like, oh, man, yes,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: get somebody in there at corner. I don't care if
• 28:19
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• 28:22
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• 28:29
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• 28:33
  Speaker 1: could go out there and play for them. Corner safety,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: what the fuck ever you got, man, we need you.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: I was trying to find some coverage stats on some
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: of the players. I was actually looking for Jalen Johnson.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: He's been really bad in Chicago. And let me tell you,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: DJ Reed, I swear to God he was a good corner.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: You got to keep scrolling, scrolling. I'm looking like, okay,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: who's giving up the most yards, yards per target, whatever.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: You got to keep scrolling, scrolling, scrolling. He ranks... either
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: worst or second worst of like 70 qualifying corners in
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: every stat possible. It is so crazy how bad this
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: past defense has been. I, yeah, I, to your point,
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm just, I'm throwing it at the, there's,
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: there's safeties and corners out there who at least I
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: think can give you competent play.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Not a lot, but they got, they got a pretty
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: decent level of depth in the receiving course. He'll go
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: run backwards. What about J-Mo?
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: I thought you were going to say trade them.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no. What about J-Mo? Maybe J-Mo can run. I'm terrified.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: I can't put it. at safety. He can't be the
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: last line of defense. He'll do something stupid. But who knows?
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: He may have it in him.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Tesla's got some size.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, hey, hey.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: I'm on Rod.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: That boy tough. You know, he liked to block and
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: stuff like that. Something, anything. I mean, as I said,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: they were down to like the number five safety. Yeah,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: they had all pro level safeties.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: What's the deal with Brian Branch? Is he ever coming back?
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because Shepard made it sound last week like there
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: was a chance he could play. Don't fucking lie to
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: me like this, man.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay. Brian Branch's return 23 hours ago.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, Lions plan to have Brian Branch in the lineup
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: this week. Let's go.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Need that. Need that. Need that. Did not enjoy watching
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: them lose to the Packers on Thanksgiving last year while
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: I was in a tropical location. Got to get this going, baby.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Got to get this rolling. Oh, I almost forgot. We
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: mentioned the Patriots. They're playing the Bears on Thursday night.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Did you see any of Caleb against the Falcons? I did.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Because it looked quite inevitable, as the young man might say. Caleb....
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: He's very online.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: You don't say.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: I guess I kind of knew, but, like, this year,
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: he's been online. And with the whole, you know... Oh,
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: I'm not trying to get Caleb Williams online wrath, so
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to do any jokes about it.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: But.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: And I'm a fan of his game. But I did not...
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: He was retweeting everything. Like, everyone... going after the people
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: who were at him. And then I guess he got
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: mad about get up, picking the Falcons.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't know that.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw that. There was like a clip of him.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: First of all, I picked the Bears, so I'm not
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: on that program, Caleb. But I thought he played really well.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: I also think he did the thing in that game
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: that everyone wanted him to do last year was hit
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: a bunch of layups, right? Because last year it was
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: super boom or bust. And he was pretty inaccurate on
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: short throws. And he has really improved. And, I mean,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: leads the league in completion percentage. So, yeah, I think
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: he's playing really, really good ball. Patriots defense is sneaky tough.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Sneaky tough, really well coached. I don't have a good
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: feel for this game. The only thing I know is A.J. Brown,
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: I will take this one to the bank. Don't take
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: it to the bank. But I do think he's going
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: to catch, like, many passes in this game after last week.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, last week was not. Not his finest.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: You know what's crazy, though? He was open the whole game.
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: He just couldn't catch it.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, bright side. You know what I'm saying?
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Bright side. Where are you on my man Big Brain Ben?
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Because I think it's worth noting that the only two
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: games that Caleb Williams has started and finished, this looked
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: like a light show.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think he's really good. I think he's in
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: the big three of play callers now with Shanahan and McVay,
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: which is crazy. But He's done it in two spots, right?
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Detroit and... How much do you miss him?
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, the offense is fine. Yeah, right? I know.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Because can he come coordinate the defense? The irony of
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: that is, let me tell you who I don't really miss,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Aaron Glenn, and nothing has happened since then to make
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: me think that. However, the defense is also awful. The
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: value of the assistant coaches of that staff has not
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: been the easiest to glean.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think... I also, I know Kelvin has taken
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: some heat, but it's very clearly a personnel problem.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's obvious. They don't have the guys. And they
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: run a have the guy heavy scheme.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: That's so, so I do think, yeah, there's, but even
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: when he like tries to protect them with zone, it's
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: still bad. It's not like it would be, oh, like, well,
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: they played too much backup or like, I they they
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: need better players in basketball.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: This is something that gets talked about. I don't hear
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: it as much in football, but. Zone on one hand
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: is easier to play, but not everybody's actually good at it. Yes. Right.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Like there are some people that are much better playing
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: in zone than others. And the Lions have guys who
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: just aren't good at playing. That's it. I watched those
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: games where they tried to zone up, and it didn't happen.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: It seemed like they did a lot more of that
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: man stuff against the Cardinals, and it was like, okay, cool.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: They figured it out, and they had a nice bye week.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Maybe they can come back
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: out here.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: Brian Brandt.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: That's right. That's right.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Well, the good news is the Packers offensive line is
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: still bad, and the one thing about your defense that
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: is decent is the defensive line.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: That is true.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: So there is the capacity to– actually, you know, at
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: least stall a few drives that way.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: I was going to say, well, Kelvin needed to get
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: on to best defense is good offense, which is to say,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: just send people, man. Dirty plays, late hits. You know
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying? Like, you got to do what you
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: got to do.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Do you feel like Gibbs– because I mentioned– First of all,
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: I just want to say, Jameer Gibbs. So I have
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: pick 1-1 in the ESPN War Room League, and I
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: didn't even flinch taking Gibbs this year, and it has
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: been one of the great joys of my lifetime. It's just...
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: He is like my second son right now, behind my
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: real son. Just watching... I know no one cares about
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: your fantasy football team, so I'll shut the fuck up
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: about it. But like watching points just accumulate over the
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: course of a few hours, just opening the app and
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: you've got like, it's just going 20, 30. It's just.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Oh, no, no.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: Look, I.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Money in the bank.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: I had Jamal Lewis and Chris Johnson doing during their
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: respective 2000 yard seasons. It's a great feeling.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: It's a great feeling. It's a great feeling. But do
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: you think he belongs in the MVP conversation? I mentioned
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Kenneth Walker. Yeah, I could see.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Except for my guy who had thrown no interceptions, Mr. Goff. Mr.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Goff's going to get that. He's a very talented but
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: limited quarterback, which is a very interesting duality to occupy,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: but the two of them together. You know what I mean?
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: That's the part that makes me feel good, especially because
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: we need them to score 100 zillion points.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: A lot of pressure.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: A lot of pressure.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: It is. I do want to get to this before
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: I forget about it. Over the years, Mina and I
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: have talked a bit about Bryce Young, mostly back when
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: he was terrible. And I just simply made a note.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know why Mina... just latched onto this. I said,
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: the little homie was doing the best he can. I
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: was telling him to keep his chin up. Times are
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: bad out there. Yeah, man. He was in a tough spot.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? And Mina doesn't like to
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: acknowledge this, but all of this was made worse by
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: the fact that she took a picture with him and
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: they looked like they could borrow each other's clothes. And
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: he has been overcoming that perception for so long. And
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: now he looks excellent.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: All right. I will argue. I did him the biggest
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: favor of his life. First of all, I still went 1-1,
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: so I didn't take his drag stop.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Second... Because of that photo, every time he plays well,
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: it is an underdog story. Think about it. Because that
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: created an initial perception. And now, okay, so your Lions game. You,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: I think, texted me, little homie's about to wreck my Lions.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: So I want to say, Bo, this is not, you've been...
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: on him this season playing well. Marcus Spears and I
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: watched that game in, I forgot what city we were in,
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: but we watched that game together. I swear to God,
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: the first time Bryce, when he hit like some big throw,
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: Marcus went, aww, and then wiped a little tear. And
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: he goes, I'm just so happy for him. Nobody talks
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: like this about any other quarterback ever. He could be
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: four years into playing this way, MVP contention, gigantic contract,
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: and people will still be like, that's so sweet. And
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: what a wonderful spot to be in where literally everybody's
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: rooting for you. People might say that's patronizing. I don't
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: think it's patronizing.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: You know what's funny? You mentioned that nobody has a
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: bad thing to say about Bryce. Saban doesn't have a
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: bad thing to say about Bryce. Everybody.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: You're welcome.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: You did. And by the way, also to be fair
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: to Bryce and to be fair to Mina, Mina's taller
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: than you think. So like her in that picture with
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Bryce Young, part of that was, you know, y'all and
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: that sizzle. And the other part was, you know, he's
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: not very tall.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: I was wearing heels too. Yeah.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: See, that's the, that's what I'm saying. Like, like there, that's,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: that was, that is always the thing I had to
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: explain to people. It was about you both, you and Pablo.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Don't ask me why I mentioned the both of you,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: but you guys.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Taught what the people thought. Thank you. Thank you for
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: acknowledging that, first of all. Yeah, I think he might,
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: like if we were to like grade all, this would
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: be a fun exercise, all the quarterbacks on like who's
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: the most liked by all of America, separate from their
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: own fan base. Bryce Young, number one with a bullet.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: Ooh, I think he's... Right?
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: You got Nasty Man on the bottom, Bryce Young on
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: the top.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we got Josh.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: Who's up there with Bryce Young?
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: Who people love.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: Josh Allen.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, people do like.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: He's got a whole media machine behind him.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And also, I think he genuinely seems like a
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: decent hang in that, I think. You're not wrong about
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: the media and all that.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: No, no, but he don't. That's the thing. It's not
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: his fault. Right?
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: And he, like... He got a celebrity wife who also
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: people like because she's not like super overexposed. right you
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: know like.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: And he hasn't won that many games a consequence so
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: there aren't that many people with like real anger toward
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: him like Mahomes like that was the thing about Brady
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: Brady gave it to everybody yeah everybody had reason to
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: dislike at that you know like yo he's giving it
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: to us all.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah Yes, it's funny because Brady, yes, fans, I think
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: that was also New England.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Right, because Josh, similar to Bright, well, Carolina's had some success,
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: but it's a small franchise. Who's out there hating the Panthers?
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: That'd be weird.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: So the Bills are similar. I think people are like, ah,
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: the Bills. They're like the Bryce Young franchises.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: It is amazing, though, that the Patriots did all that
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: winning and never became a national brand. They never became like, oh,
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: the Patriots are in town. There's going to be a
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: bunch of Patriots fans in the building. That's how unlikable
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: that entire operation was.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: You know how you know is when you go to
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: like Mexico or you see people walking around in Patriots jerseys.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: No, no. And when you see the Patriots come to
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: town wearing a Patriots jersey, it's all Welkers and Edelmans
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: and Bradys and Gronks. It's all. Yeah. It's all. Oh,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: my God. Fucking Patriots. Yeah. By the way, Bill Belichick,
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: they beat Duke, and Bill Belichick rang that bell. I
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: don't know if you saw. There's a bell that goes
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: from side to side in the Carolina-Duke football robbery, and
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: he looked so happy ringing that bell. Like it's turning
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: into a Disney sports movie where Krusty Coach, who couldn't
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: get a job anywhere else, now has to do this
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: and now is starting to love the kids.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Are the vibes that good?
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, look, I just saw him ring that bell
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: and was like, like he looked like he hadn't laughed
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: in a while. Like I know that girl makes him smile,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: but I don't know if she makes him laugh. And
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: he just looked, he looked thrilled. He looked thrilled.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Good for him? I don't know. I can't get there
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: with him. Yeah, it is fun.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: Right. Yeah.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: The Patriot, that is funny. And they're good again. Obviously,
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: they made the Super Bowl last year. That was the thing, too.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: In San Francisco, I remember the Super Bowl really weren't
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: a lot of Pats fans. I felt like walking around,
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: not in terms of actual Pats fans, but ambient Pats fans.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, man. Why would anybody do that? Yeah, what's
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: to gain? They should be the team of America. They
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: wore red, white, and blue on the Super Bowl after 9-11.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: There still ain't nobody trying to do that.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: I think the scandals also.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Turn people on.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Fair.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: That's back when we still had a little bit of
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: a conscience. I don't know if that would happen at
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: this point. Last thing I ask you before we get
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: out of here. It's not a terrible surprise that. either
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: a Mara or a Tish, though I guess the Tish
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: isn't allowed to make decisions anymore, but oh, let's not
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: talk about that. We just completely, we don't talk about
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: that at all. I was just wondering how long it
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: was going to go before they were like, man, if
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: you don't get Jameis out of my face and put
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: somebody else in here, and now J.J. McCarthy, who I
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: don't think was that good in his, when he came
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: into that game. I watched the tape last night.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: He was throwing jump balls. Shout out to Malik Neighbors.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: Isaiah Likely has been awesome for them, and some guy
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: named Charlie Jones. they were going up and getting it
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: like jj was just chucking that thing and i mean
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: okay so here's what's tricky about that situation so i
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: don't think jj mccarthy's box score reflects what how he
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: played and i also just i'm you know i think
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: it's based on what we saw in minnesota but normally
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: the case is like well this division is very winnable
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: and we got the veteran quarterback who takes care of
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: the football we'll stick with him.
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: You're not doing those veteran quarterback that you know what
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: i mean so like the normal case you would have
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: for not going to the young quarterback doesn't really apply
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: in this situation correct.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: Though my thought is hey man here's what i know
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: about james winston whether they should or shouldn't people really
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: like him let me tell you what i know about
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: jj mccarthy People do not like him, or at least
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: the last people that were his people. They traded him
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: for a fifth-round pick, and he's like 24 years old.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: That's great. Sam Darnold, after it was established that he
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: was cheeks, they got three or four for him.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, can I tell you a little internet story? I
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: know it's not cool to talk about things that happen
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: on the internet and fights you get into. somebody tweeted
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: something i think it was uh clarence who covers the
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: cowboys yeah maybe um about how like it's very rare
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: that you have a black quarterback in the nfl who's
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: not mobile i don't know who he was talking about
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: yeah maybe panics he's.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: Talking about yeah it was yeah because like byron left
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: which is basically.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: The one yeah he was like this is crazy he
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: was like you never see this anymore and i just
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: wrote back i don't know i was just like on
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: a plane jamis winston's still starting in this league right
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: let me tell you hundreds of people were like, how
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: dare you call Jameis Winston immobile or say he doesn't
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: have running ability. I was like, am I like drunk?
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Like what is, so I, okay. So let me finish this.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: So I go back and forth with some guy who's like,
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: you said he doesn't have running. I'm like, he doesn't.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: What do your eyes say? Like it's, it's just, I
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: feel like crazy, right, but facts don't exist. So I'm
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: going back and forth, and then I click on the
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: guy's profile, because I'm like, this is so insane. And
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: it says, from Bessemer, Alabama. And I realized I was
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: fighting with Jameis' cousin. Oh, wow. Because he posted somewhere else,
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: this is my cousin. I was like, oh, my God, Mina.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: I never assigned from God.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: To log off. Well, my favorite thing of that is
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: the family is not good. I can only imagine what
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: else he's lying to himself about. If he can't tell
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: this simple, basic truth. Yes.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: Like, oh, my God. That's funny.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: You should be glad that that's the thing. We're arguing
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: about Jameis Winston on the internet in the Lord's year 2026.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: By the way, Darnold was traded for a six in
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: that year and then a two and a four the
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: following year. Still more than they got for J.J. McCarthy.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, remember, the Geno Smith start that one
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: game and then they fired the coach. Lady and I
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: managed to keep the job for two more years. Somebody,
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: Jameis doing too crazy. We all think the press conferences
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: are funny. John, it's John Mara, right? That's the one
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: that's in charge now. Whichever Mara's up there watching press conferences,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: hating every minute of that shit. Like, no, no, no.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Let's throw this other guy out here. I think, I mean,
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: maybe JJ learned how to get along with people. He's
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: got to, I'm telling you, man, it's an important thing.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Jameis got that part figured out.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: I've heard some stories about Minnesota that I can't, say
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: on here, but I'll tell you offline.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, I am quite intrigued. I haven't talked to you
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: about Minnesota in quite a while. It feels like O'Connell
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: is trying to make Kyler Murray into the system instead
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: of doing Kyle. You went and got the little talented
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: guy that requires some kind of special care. You did that.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Notice you say little talented guy instead of little homie
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: doing his best.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Yes, because.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: In an alternate timeline, what if Kyler Murray had taken
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: a picture with me before the draft? Maybe people would
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: like him now.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: That is true. And if Kyler Murray was playing like
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Bryce Young was at that time... He'd have been the
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: little homie, except the difference is people don't like Kyler
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: Murray as much as they like Bryce Young, so I
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: don't think it would have been nearly as warm. You
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: think you could have made us come around on Kyler Murray?
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: I could have made him more of an underdog.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because Bryce Young is Kareem Abdul-Jabbar standing next to
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Kyler Murray.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: You don't think the difference, though, is Kyler's thick, right?
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: He is.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: So, like, it's a little bit different in terms of, like, his–
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: with Bryce, you do worry sometimes about durability. So, I
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: will say Kyler in the last game played pretty well.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: You know, he looked kind of rough at the start. But, like,
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: they are the true– it's funny because people said that
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: with the Texans and they were dead wrong, obviously, coming
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: into the season. That is the true, hey, if this
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: offense can just put up 20– Because, oh, my God,
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: the job that that defense and Brian Flores are doing
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: right now. Brian Flores, who, by the way, the lawsuit
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: is like progressing, like news is coming. It is so
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: crazy to get like news alerts about that lawsuit at
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: the same time that the Vikings defense is just like
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: he could not have asked for a better season for
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: this to all happen at the same time.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: He's mad scientist defense guy. We don't get a lot
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: of those. They're named defensive coordinators. Like Fangio, I think,
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: is the one that jumps out there. But if you
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: ask most people, they're like, oh, Fangio's defenses are good,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: but I don't know if the, like, median football fan
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: could answer to you what's good about it, right? The
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: football nerds will tell you, too high safeties, but we
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: still figure out how to stop the run, da-da-da, all
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: this stuff. Flores got a defense that everybody could understand.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: They coming. They bringing dudes. It's like what you would
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: do if you were running a defense, bringing heat.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: That's such a good point yeah because you don't have
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: to really know ball you turn it on and you're
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: like who's coming who's going it's early downs but this
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: makes any sense and you see the impact that it
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: has it's so visceral and by the way a lot
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: of teams he got a little coaching tree developing around
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: the league and you see more of the defensive coordinators
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: around the league doing similar stuff too this year but
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: i mean it is just he has had a man
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: he i voted for him for uh assistant assistant coach
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: of the year i know it's a word that like
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: i think josh mcdaniel's Juan, who I did not have,
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: I think, in my top three even last year. But
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: this year, I feel like there's no one doing it
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: like him.
• 49:16
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• 49:18
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• 49:24
  Speaker 1: They're giving away for free. I like all the smaller
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: things in your house, right? I got to get back there.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen that little homie. Now that he can
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: do things.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: He's not so little.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: I was about to say, I see the pictures.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: That's an enormous kid.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: That's a sturdy guy. I'm trying to figure out genetically
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: how that happened.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: We keep thinking it's going to stop the growing. It
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: just keeps happening. I guess it's how it works.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: It'll be a matter of time before you start clearing
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: y'all out to make space.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: He is knocking me over already.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: It's crazy.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: He might take out Bryce Young in an Oklahoma drill.
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: I'll watch. I'm down. Check it out. But I appreciate you.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: To be clear, we're talking about my toddler.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes. Very important detail.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: Because anyone thought that was my husband or something.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. You know what? Once you said that, good call. Toddler, toddler, toddler.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: He's three. Toddler. There we go. Ladies and gentlemen, thanks
• 50:16
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