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- 0:57Hello,
- 0:57my
- 0:57football
- 0:57friends.
- 0:58This
- 0:58is
- 0:58Darren
- 0:58Hayes
- 0:58of
- 0:58pigskindispatch.com.
- 1:00Welcome
- 1:00once
- 1:00again
- 1:00to
- 1:00the
- 1:00Pig
- 1:01Pen,
- 1:01your
- 1:01portal
- 1:01to
- 1:01positive
- 1:02football
- 1:02history.
- 1:03And
- 1:03as
- 1:03we
- 1:03try
- 1:03to
- 1:03do
- 1:04each
- 1:04week,
- 1:04we
- 1:04bring
- 1:05in
- 1:05a
- 1:05specialist,
- 1:06an
- 1:06archaeologist
- 1:07that's
- 1:07dusting
- 1:08off
- 1:08the
- 1:08sands
- 1:08of
- 1:09time
- 1:09and
- 1:09finding
- 1:10some
- 1:10treasures
- 1:11of
- 1:11football.
- 1:12And
- 1:12his
- 1:12name
- 1:13is
- 1:13Timothy
- 1:13Brown
- 1:13of
- 1:14footballarchaeology.com
- 1:15Tim.
- 1:15Welcome
- 1:16back
- 1:16to
- 1:16the
- 1:16Pig
- 1:16Pen,
- 1:17Darren.
- 1:18Thank
- 1:18you.
- 1:18Thank
- 1:18you.
- 1:18And
- 1:19since
- 1:19we're
- 1:20talking
- 1:21about
- 1:21the
- 1:21Brits,
- 1:22I,
- 1:23I
- 1:23wish
- 1:23I
- 1:23would
- 1:23have
- 1:23thought
- 1:24about
- 1:24this
- 1:24before
- 1:24I
- 1:25published
- 1:25the
- 1:25tidbit,
- 1:26but
- 1:27the,
- 1:27the,
- 1:29the
- 1:29title
- 1:30should
- 1:30have
- 1:30been
- 1:30Keep
- 1:31Calm
- 1:32and
- 1:32Carry
- 1:32On.
- 1:33Keep
- 1:34Calm
- 1:34and
- 1:34Carry
- 1:35On.
- 1:35That
- 1:35is
- 1:35a
- 1:35very
- 1:35famous
- 1:37logo
- 1:37that
- 1:38from,
- 1:38from
- 1:38history.
- 1:40Talk
- 1:40about,
- 1:41you
- 1:41know,
- 1:41kind
- 1:42of
- 1:42carry,
- 1:42you
- 1:42know,
- 1:43carry
- 1:43the
- 1:43ball.
- 1:44Yeah,
- 1:45yeah.
- 1:45Very,
- 1:45very
- 1:45good.
- 1:45Very
- 1:46clever,
- 1:46Very
- 1:46clever.
- 1:48Little
- 1:48late.
- 1:48Little
- 1:49late.
- 1:50That's
- 1:50all
- 1:50right,
- 1:50though.
- 1:51But
- 1:51you
- 1:51did
- 1:52have
- 1:52a
- 1:52title
- 1:52to
- 1:53this.
- 1:53What
- 1:53inspired
- 1:54this
- 1:54conversation
- 1:55we're
- 1:55having
- 1:55today
- 1:55on
- 1:55a
- 1:55tidbit
- 1:56that
- 1:56you
- 1:56titled
- 1:57that
- 1:57Time
- 1:57the
- 1:58Brits
- 1:58Wanted
- 1:58Us
- 1:59to
- 1:59Give
- 1:59Up
- 1:59Football.
- 2:00So.
- 2:00Boy,
- 2:01those,
- 2:01those
- 2:01dirty
- 2:01Brits.
- 2:02Why
- 2:02would
- 2:02they
- 2:02want
- 2:02us
- 2:02to
- 2:03give
- 2:03up
- 2:03football,
- 2:03Tim?
- 2:04Those
- 2:04sons
- 2:04of
- 2:04the
- 2:05guns.
- 2:08Well,
- 2:08so
- 2:09actually,
- 2:09before
- 2:09talking
- 2:10about
- 2:10what
- 2:10I
- 2:11wrote
- 2:13just
- 2:13in
- 2:13the
- 2:14past
- 2:14couple
- 2:14days,
- 2:15for
- 2:15a
- 2:15different
- 2:15reason,
- 2:15I
- 2:16ended
- 2:16up
- 2:16going
- 2:17back
- 2:17to
- 2:17Walter
- 2:17Camp's
- 2:18American
- 2:19Football,
- 2:19which
- 2:19he
- 2:20published
- 2:20in
- 2:201891,
- 2:22and
- 2:22let's,
- 2:23you
- 2:24know,
- 2:24tell
- 2:24people
- 2:25it's
- 2:25available
- 2:25for
- 2:26free.
- 2:26You
- 2:26can
- 2:27download
- 2:27it
- 2:27for
- 2:27free
- 2:27out
- 2:28there
- 2:28on
- 2:28the.
- 2:29Our
- 2:29wonderful
- 2:30interwebs.
- 2:32But,
- 2:32you
- 2:32know,
- 2:32I
- 2:32was
- 2:33looking
- 2:33at
- 2:33some
- 2:33of
- 2:33that
- 2:34again
- 2:34and
- 2:35he
- 2:35really
- 2:35does
- 2:36a
- 2:36great
- 2:36job,
- 2:38you
- 2:38know,
- 2:39opening
- 2:39paragraphs
- 2:40of
- 2:41covering
- 2:41some
- 2:42of
- 2:42this
- 2:42period,
- 2:42you
- 2:42know,
- 2:42this,
- 2:43this
- 2:43whole
- 2:43thing
- 2:44that
- 2:44I'm,
- 2:44I'm
- 2:45talking
- 2:45about,
- 2:45not
- 2:45so
- 2:46much
- 2:46he
- 2:46doesn't
- 2:46go
- 2:46into
- 2:47this
- 2:47whole
- 2:47British
- 2:48thing,
- 2:48but
- 2:48just
- 2:48the
- 2:49what
- 2:50football
- 2:50looked
- 2:51like
- 2:52when
- 2:53in
- 2:531876
- 2:54and,
- 2:55and
- 2:56then
- 2:56into
- 2:56the
- 2:56early
- 2:5780s.
- 2:57They
- 2:58just
- 2:58does
- 2:58a
- 2:58real
- 2:58nice
- 2:59job
- 2:59of
- 2:59kind
- 2:59of
- 2:59telling
- 3:00you
- 3:00kind
- 3:00of
- 3:00the
- 3:00story
- 3:01and
- 3:01how
- 3:01it
- 3:01evolved
- 3:02in
- 3:02the
- 3:02early
- 3:02years.
- 3:03So,
- 3:04you
- 3:04know,
- 3:05I
- 3:05mean,
- 3:05I've
- 3:05told
- 3:06the
- 3:06story
- 3:06a
- 3:06bunch
- 3:06of
- 3:06times,
- 3:07but,
- 3:07you
- 3:07know,
- 3:08so
- 3:08pre.
- 3:10Early
- 3:10rugby
- 3:11was
- 3:11a
- 3:12vastly
- 3:12different
- 3:12game
- 3:13than
- 3:13today.
- 3:13It
- 3:14was
- 3:14mostly,
- 3:15you
- 3:15know,
- 3:15they
- 3:15had
- 3:1715
- 3:17guys
- 3:18on
- 3:18the
- 3:18field
- 3:19and
- 3:19it
- 3:19was
- 3:19almost
- 3:20solely
- 3:20a
- 3:21kicking
- 3:21game.
- 3:21You
- 3:22know,
- 3:22carrying
- 3:22the
- 3:23ball
- 3:23was
- 3:23allowed,
- 3:24but
- 3:24you
- 3:25pretty
- 3:25much
- 3:25the
- 3:25whole
- 3:26game
- 3:26was
- 3:26like
- 3:26a
- 3:26big
- 3:27scrum
- 3:27where
- 3:27they
- 3:27were
- 3:27trying
- 3:28to
- 3:28kick
- 3:28it
- 3:28forward
- 3:28through
- 3:28the
- 3:29other
- 3:29team.
- 3:30And
- 3:30so
- 3:31the
- 3:31odd
- 3:31thing
- 3:31was
- 3:32that
- 3:32you.
- 3:33Is
- 3:34kind
- 3:34of
- 3:34if
- 3:34you
- 3:34could
- 3:34kick
- 3:35it
- 3:35through
- 3:36the
- 3:36other
- 3:36team's
- 3:37front
- 3:38line,
- 3:38then
- 3:39one
- 3:39of
- 3:39their
- 3:39backs
- 3:40could
- 3:40pick
- 3:40it
- 3:41up.
- 3:41And
- 3:42toss
- 3:42it
- 3:43to
- 3:43somebody
- 3:43else
- 3:43and
- 3:43run
- 3:43with
- 3:44it.
- 3:45And
- 3:46so
- 3:47what?
- 3:48And
- 3:49during
- 3:49that
- 3:49whole
- 3:50thing,
- 3:50the
- 3:50Americans
- 3:52basically
- 3:52decided
- 3:53they
- 3:53liked
- 3:53the
- 3:53game
- 3:54better.
- 3:54The
- 3:54more
- 3:55you
- 3:55could
- 3:55carry
- 3:55the
- 3:55ball,
- 3:56the
- 3:56better.
- 3:57Right.
- 3:58So
- 3:58they
- 3:58started
- 3:59doing
- 3:59things
- 4:00like
- 4:01kind
- 4:01of
- 4:01letting
- 4:02the
- 4:02ball
- 4:02get
- 4:02kicked
- 4:03through
- 4:03their
- 4:04side
- 4:04so
- 4:05that
- 4:05one
- 4:05of
- 4:05their
- 4:05backs
- 4:05could
- 4:05pick
- 4:06it
- 4:06up
- 4:06and
- 4:06run
- 4:06with
- 4:06it.
- 4:08But
- 4:08even
- 4:08then,
- 4:08that
- 4:09was
- 4:09still
- 4:09a
- 4:10little
- 4:10bit
- 4:10too
- 4:10chancy
- 4:11for
- 4:11them.
- 4:11So
- 4:11then
- 4:11they
- 4:12started
- 4:14when
- 4:14they
- 4:15went
- 4:16to
- 4:16the
- 4:18system
- 4:18of
- 4:18downs
- 4:19in.
- 4:19In
- 4:201880.
- 4:22Then
- 4:22they
- 4:22had
- 4:23the
- 4:23snapback
- 4:24and.
- 4:25Or
- 4:25I
- 4:25shouldn't
- 4:25say
- 4:25the
- 4:26system
- 4:26of
- 4:26down,
- 4:26system
- 4:26of
- 4:27possession
- 4:28in
- 4:281880.
- 4:29That's
- 4:29when
- 4:29they
- 4:29started
- 4:30snapping
- 4:30back
- 4:30with
- 4:31the
- 4:31foot,
- 4:31you
- 4:31know,
- 4:31what
- 4:31you
- 4:32see
- 4:32in
- 4:32rugby
- 4:32now.
- 4:32But
- 4:33that,
- 4:33you
- 4:33know,
- 4:33kind
- 4:34of,
- 4:34I
- 4:34think,
- 4:35developed
- 4:35in
- 4:35American
- 4:36football
- 4:36more
- 4:36than
- 4:37in
- 4:37rugby.
- 4:39So,
- 4:41so
- 4:41anyways,
- 4:42we
- 4:43were
- 4:43doing
- 4:43this,
- 4:45and
- 4:45then
- 4:45in
- 4:451882,
- 4:46they
- 4:47also
- 4:47went
- 4:47to
- 4:47the
- 4:47system
- 4:48of
- 4:48downs
- 4:49because
- 4:51Princeton
- 4:52was
- 4:52sneaky
- 4:54sons
- 4:54of
- 4:54guns.
- 4:57They
- 4:57had
- 4:57developed
- 4:58a
- 4:58thing
- 4:58where,
- 4:58you
- 4:58know,
- 4:59American
- 4:59football,
- 5:00the
- 5:001880
- 5:01rules,
- 5:02gave
- 5:02one
- 5:02team
- 5:02possession
- 5:03or
- 5:03the
- 5:04other,
- 5:04but
- 5:05it
- 5:05didn't
- 5:05have
- 5:05any
- 5:05mechanism
- 5:06to
- 5:06force
- 5:07them
- 5:07to
- 5:07give
- 5:07up
- 5:07the
- 5:07ball.
- 5:09So
- 5:09Princeton
- 5:10just
- 5:10basically
- 5:11played.
- 5:12They
- 5:12stalled
- 5:13the
- 5:13whole
- 5:13time.
- 5:13You
- 5:14know,
- 5:14like
- 5:14for
- 5:14a
- 5:14whole
- 5:15half,
- 5:15they
- 5:15just
- 5:15stalled.
- 5:16And,
- 5:16you
- 5:16know,
- 5:16once
- 5:16they
- 5:16got
- 5:17the
- 5:17ball
- 5:17and,
- 5:18you
- 5:18know,
- 5:18they
- 5:18didn't,
- 5:19they
- 5:19never
- 5:19gave
- 5:19up
- 5:19the
- 5:20ball
- 5:20to
- 5:20the
- 5:20other
- 5:20side.
- 5:22That's
- 5:22what
- 5:22they
- 5:22called
- 5:22the
- 5:22block
- 5:23game.
- 5:23Correct?
- 5:23The
- 5:24block.
- 5:24Exactly.
- 5:26And
- 5:26so
- 5:26it
- 5:26was
- 5:26boring
- 5:27as
- 5:27snot.
- 5:27And
- 5:28they
- 5:28changed
- 5:28the
- 5:28rule
- 5:28in
- 5:2982
- 5:29to
- 5:30require,
- 5:31you
- 5:31know,
- 5:31so
- 5:32that's
- 5:32when
- 5:32the
- 5:32system
- 5:32of
- 5:33diamonds
- 5:33came
- 5:33in.
- 5:33You
- 5:33only
- 5:33had.
- 5:34You
- 5:34had
- 5:34three
- 5:34downs
- 5:34to
- 5:35make
- 5:35five
- 5:35yards
- 5:35or
- 5:36to
- 5:36lose
- 5:3710,
- 5:37I
- 5:37think
- 5:37it
- 5:37was
- 5:38at
- 5:38the
- 5:38time.
- 5:39So
- 5:40anyways,
- 5:42as
- 5:42it
- 5:42turned
- 5:43out,
- 5:43there
- 5:43were
- 5:44a
- 5:44couple
- 5:44of
- 5:45British
- 5:46guys
- 5:46in
- 5:46New
- 5:47York
- 5:48who
- 5:48had
- 5:48watched
- 5:49a
- 5:49couple
- 5:49of
- 5:50American
- 5:50college
- 5:50games
- 5:51in
- 5:511881,
- 5:53and
- 5:53they
- 5:53thought
- 5:53it
- 5:54was
- 5:54boring
- 5:54as
- 5:55hell.
- 5:56Now
- 5:56the
- 5:56Americans
- 5:57did,
- 5:57too,
- 5:57which
- 5:58is
- 5:58why
- 5:58they
- 5:58put
- 5:58it
- 5:59in,
- 5:59you
- 5:59know,
- 6:00the.
- 6:00The
- 6:00rule,
- 6:01like,
- 6:01you
- 6:01know,
- 6:02the
- 6:02rule
- 6:02of
- 6:02downs.
- 6:03And
- 6:05so
- 6:06these.
- 6:07These
- 6:07Brits
- 6:07are
- 6:08looking
- 6:08at
- 6:08Americans
- 6:09bastardizing
- 6:10their,
- 6:10you
- 6:11know,
- 6:11wonderful
- 6:11game
- 6:11of
- 6:12rugby.
- 6:13And.
- 6:13And
- 6:14so
- 6:14they
- 6:14form
- 6:14a
- 6:15team
- 6:15in
- 6:16early
- 6:16in
- 6:17January
- 6:17of
- 6:1782
- 6:19in
- 6:19New
- 6:19York
- 6:19City,
- 6:20and
- 6:20they
- 6:20start
- 6:20practicing
- 6:21among
- 6:21themselves
- 6:22and
- 6:22playing
- 6:22scrimmage
- 6:23games,
- 6:23and
- 6:24they're
- 6:24trying
- 6:24to
- 6:25find
- 6:25people
- 6:25to
- 6:25play.
- 6:27And
- 6:28one
- 6:28of
- 6:28the
- 6:28things
- 6:28that
- 6:29they
- 6:29did,
- 6:30their
- 6:31initial
- 6:31plans
- 6:31were
- 6:31like,
- 6:31we're
- 6:32going
- 6:32to
- 6:32be
- 6:32playing
- 6:33Yale
- 6:33and
- 6:33Harvard
- 6:34and
- 6:34blah,
- 6:34blah,
- 6:34blah.
- 6:37And
- 6:38so
- 6:38they
- 6:39end
- 6:39up
- 6:39inviting
- 6:40representatives
- 6:41from
- 6:41Yale,
- 6:41Harvard
- 6:42and
- 6:42Princeton
- 6:43to
- 6:43a
- 6:43lunch
- 6:43or
- 6:44dinner
- 6:44in,
- 6:45like,
- 6:45April
- 6:45of
- 6:4682.
- 6:47And
- 6:47they
- 6:47basically,
- 6:48you
- 6:48know,
- 6:48gave
- 6:48Them
- 6:49a
- 6:49proposal
- 6:49to
- 6:50get
- 6:50rid
- 6:50of
- 6:51all
- 6:51these
- 6:51American
- 6:52changes
- 6:53to
- 6:54the
- 6:54game
- 6:54and
- 6:55have
- 6:55them
- 6:55just
- 6:55play
- 6:56rugby
- 6:56union
- 6:56rules.
- 6:58And
- 6:59the
- 6:59Americans
- 6:59were
- 6:59like,
- 7:00no,
- 7:00we're
- 7:00not
- 7:01going
- 7:01to
- 7:01do
- 7:01that.
- 7:01You
- 7:02know,
- 7:02we
- 7:02like
- 7:03our.
- 7:03The
- 7:04way.
- 7:04We
- 7:04like
- 7:04the
- 7:04way
- 7:04we've
- 7:05modified
- 7:05the
- 7:05game
- 7:06more
- 7:06than
- 7:07what
- 7:07you
- 7:07guys.
- 7:08The
- 7:08way
- 7:08you
- 7:08guys
- 7:09play.
- 7:10And
- 7:10as
- 7:10it
- 7:10turns
- 7:10out,
- 7:10you
- 7:11know,
- 7:11rugby
- 7:11did
- 7:11in
- 7:12fact
- 7:12evolve
- 7:13more
- 7:13along
- 7:13the
- 7:14lines
- 7:14of
- 7:15how
- 7:15the
- 7:15Americans
- 7:16were
- 7:16playing
- 7:16in
- 7:16the
- 7:1780s
- 7:18and
- 7:18maybe
- 7:18even
- 7:18into
- 7:19the
- 7:1990s,
- 7:21you
- 7:22know,
- 7:22I
- 7:22mean,
- 7:22because
- 7:23picking
- 7:23up
- 7:23and
- 7:24carrying
- 7:24the
- 7:24ball
- 7:24and
- 7:25snapping
- 7:25back
- 7:25with
- 7:25foot,
- 7:26you
- 7:26know,
- 7:26became,
- 7:26you
- 7:26know,
- 7:27the
- 7:27nature
- 7:27of
- 7:27the
- 7:27game.
- 7:28So
- 7:28it's
- 7:29just
- 7:29kind
- 7:29of
- 7:29funny
- 7:29that
- 7:30these
- 7:30guys,
- 7:31they
- 7:32continued
- 7:33practicing
- 7:33and
- 7:33they
- 7:34were
- 7:34trying
- 7:34to
- 7:34play
- 7:34games
- 7:35and
- 7:35then
- 7:35they
- 7:35couldn't
- 7:36find
- 7:36any.
- 7:37The
- 7:37American
- 7:37college
- 7:38teams
- 7:38were
- 7:38like,
- 7:38we're
- 7:39not
- 7:39playing
- 7:39you
- 7:39guys,
- 7:40you
- 7:40know.
- 7:41And
- 7:41so
- 7:42they
- 7:42were
- 7:42able
- 7:42to
- 7:42arrange
- 7:43a
- 7:43game
- 7:43with
- 7:43the
- 7:43Britannias,
- 7:45a
- 7:46rugby
- 7:46team
- 7:46from
- 7:46up
- 7:47in
- 7:47Montreal.
- 7:47And
- 7:48they
- 7:48came
- 7:48down
- 7:48and
- 7:48played
- 7:48two
- 7:49games
- 7:49in
- 7:49New
- 7:49York
- 7:49City
- 7:49in
- 7:50like
- 7:50November
- 7:50of
- 7:5182.
- 7:52And
- 7:52then,
- 7:53I
- 7:53mean,
- 7:53best
- 7:53as
- 7:54I
- 7:54can
- 7:54tell
- 7:54that
- 7:54the,
- 7:55you
- 7:55know,
- 7:55this,
- 7:56the
- 7:56British
- 7:56Football
- 7:57Club,
- 7:58which
- 7:58is
- 7:58what
- 7:58they
- 7:59were
- 7:59called,
- 7:59just
- 8:00dissolved
- 8:00after
- 8:01that.
- 8:01So
- 8:01they
- 8:01didn't
- 8:02last
- 8:02long.
- 8:03But
- 8:03they,
- 8:03you
- 8:03know,
- 8:04they
- 8:04made
- 8:04an
- 8:04attempt
- 8:04to,
- 8:05you
- 8:05know,
- 8:06get
- 8:06the
- 8:07Americans
- 8:07to
- 8:08do
- 8:09things
- 8:09the
- 8:09right
- 8:09way
- 8:09and
- 8:10play
- 8:10rugby.
- 8:11New
- 8:11rules.
- 8:11And
- 8:13maybe
- 8:14you
- 8:15can
- 8:15take
- 8:15that
- 8:15stuff
- 8:16and
- 8:17put
- 8:18it
- 8:18where
- 8:18the
- 8:18British
- 8:19Empire
- 8:20sun
- 8:20does
- 8:20not
- 8:20shine.
- 8:23It's.
- 8:24It's
- 8:24really
- 8:25amazing
- 8:25how
- 8:25you
- 8:26go
- 8:26fast
- 8:26forward,
- 8:27you
- 8:27know,
- 8:27140
- 8:28some
- 8:29years
- 8:29and
- 8:30now,
- 8:30you
- 8:30know,
- 8:30the
- 8:31NFL
- 8:31is
- 8:31one
- 8:31of
- 8:32the
- 8:32biggest
- 8:32sporting
- 8:33events
- 8:33when
- 8:33they
- 8:33have
- 8:34games
- 8:34over
- 8:34in,
- 8:35in
- 8:35Great
- 8:35Britain
- 8:35and
- 8:36other
- 8:36places
- 8:36throughout
- 8:37Europe.
- 8:38So
- 8:38it's
- 8:39a.
- 8:39I
- 8:39guess
- 8:39it
- 8:39must
- 8:39have
- 8:39evolved.
- 8:40All
- 8:40right,
- 8:41maybe
- 8:41these
- 8:42guys
- 8:42will
- 8:42look
- 8:42different
- 8:42now.
- 8:43You
- 8:43know,
- 8:43it's
- 8:44an
- 8:44interesting
- 8:44thing
- 8:44though.
- 8:45Like
- 8:46I,
- 8:47and
- 8:47I'm.
- 8:47I'm
- 8:47blanking
- 8:48on
- 8:49his,
- 8:49his
- 8:50name
- 8:50right
- 8:50now
- 8:50and
- 8:51his
- 8:51site.
- 8:51But
- 8:52there's
- 8:52a
- 8:52guy
- 8:53that
- 8:53I,
- 8:53that
- 8:54I
- 8:54follow.
- 8:54He's
- 8:54a.
- 8:57I
- 8:57believe
- 8:57he's
- 8:57in
- 8:58Germany,
- 8:58maybe
- 8:58he's
- 8:58in
- 8:59Netherlands.
- 8:59But
- 8:59anyways,
- 9:01he
- 9:01had
- 9:01a
- 9:01really
- 9:01interesting
- 9:02article
- 9:02a
- 9:02while
- 9:02back
- 9:03that
- 9:04he
- 9:04is
- 9:04basically
- 9:05arguing
- 9:06that
- 9:07while
- 9:07there's
- 9:08this
- 9:08sense
- 9:08that
- 9:09football
- 9:09is
- 9:10really
- 9:10popular
- 9:10in
- 9:11Europe
- 9:11and
- 9:11some
- 9:11other
- 9:12places,
- 9:13it's
- 9:13still
- 9:14pretty
- 9:14much
- 9:14a
- 9:14niche
- 9:15thing.
- 9:16You
- 9:16know,
- 9:16I
- 9:17mean,
- 9:17I
- 9:17compare
- 9:17it.
- 9:18I
- 9:18mean,
- 9:18rugby
- 9:19is
- 9:19much
- 9:19more
- 9:19popular
- 9:19in
- 9:20North
- 9:20America,
- 9:21especially
- 9:21Canada.
- 9:21But
- 9:22you
- 9:22know,
- 9:24rugby's.
- 9:26I
- 9:26should
- 9:26say
- 9:26hockey
- 9:27is,
- 9:28you
- 9:28know,
- 9:28like
- 9:29people
- 9:29in
- 9:29Wyoming
- 9:30don't
- 9:30care
- 9:30about
- 9:30hockey.
- 9:31Right.
- 9:32But
- 9:32you
- 9:32know,
- 9:32if
- 9:33you're
- 9:33in
- 9:33some
- 9:33of
- 9:33the
- 9:33northern
- 9:34cities
- 9:34and
- 9:34now,
- 9:34you
- 9:35know,
- 9:35Southern
- 9:35Cities,
- 9:37you
- 9:37know,
- 9:37it's
- 9:37a
- 9:37bigger
- 9:38deal.
- 9:38But,
- 9:39you
- 9:39know,
- 9:40I
- 9:40mean,
- 9:40I
- 9:40didn't
- 9:40grow
- 9:40up
- 9:40watching
- 9:41hockey.
- 9:41You
- 9:42know,
- 9:42it
- 9:42just,
- 9:42even
- 9:43though
- 9:43I
- 9:43grew
- 9:43up
- 9:43in
- 9:43Wisconsin,
- 9:44just
- 9:44wasn't
- 9:44a
- 9:44big
- 9:44deal
- 9:45back
- 9:45then.
- 9:45So
- 9:46anyways,
- 9:48so
- 9:48his,
- 9:48his,
- 9:48his
- 9:49argument
- 9:49is
- 9:50it
- 9:50gets,
- 9:50you
- 9:50know,
- 9:50they
- 9:51get
- 9:51good
- 9:51crowds
- 9:51and
- 9:51everything,
- 9:51but
- 9:52these
- 9:52are
- 9:52people
- 9:52who
- 9:53follow
- 9:53football
- 9:53already.
- 9:55And
- 9:55so
- 9:55I
- 9:56actually
- 9:56think
- 9:56that
- 9:58part
- 9:59of
- 9:59the,
- 10:01part
- 10:01of
- 10:02the
- 10:02strategy
- 10:03for,
- 10:05you
- 10:05know,
- 10:06the
- 10:06NFL
- 10:06promoting
- 10:07touch
- 10:07football
- 10:09is
- 10:09to
- 10:10get
- 10:10more
- 10:11people
- 10:12into
- 10:13football
- 10:13generally.
- 10:14Not,
- 10:15not,
- 10:15not
- 10:15necessarily
- 10:16tackle.
- 10:17You
- 10:17know,
- 10:17it's
- 10:17a.
- 10:18Because
- 10:19you
- 10:19don't
- 10:19need
- 10:19a
- 10:19bunch
- 10:19of
- 10:20equipment
- 10:20to
- 10:20play
- 10:20touch
- 10:21football.
- 10:21You
- 10:21know,
- 10:22you
- 10:22don't
- 10:22need
- 10:22anywhere
- 10:23near
- 10:23the
- 10:23coaching
- 10:24and
- 10:24the,
- 10:25you
- 10:25know,
- 10:25I
- 10:25mean,
- 10:25sure,
- 10:26at
- 10:26the
- 10:26high
- 10:26levels,
- 10:26probably
- 10:26you
- 10:27do,
- 10:27but,
- 10:28but,
- 10:28you
- 10:29know,
- 10:29it's
- 10:29just,
- 10:30I
- 10:30mean,
- 10:30how
- 10:30many
- 10:30times
- 10:30did
- 10:31you
- 10:31go
- 10:31out,
- 10:31you
- 10:32know,
- 10:32at
- 10:32the
- 10:32park
- 10:32or
- 10:32somebody's
- 10:33backyard
- 10:33and
- 10:33play
- 10:34touch
- 10:35football
- 10:35or
- 10:35tackle
- 10:36football?
- 10:36Just,
- 10:36but
- 10:36you
- 10:37know,
- 10:37kids
- 10:37out
- 10:37there
- 10:37playing.
- 10:38Yeah,
- 10:38we
- 10:39were,
- 10:39we
- 10:39were
- 10:39stupid
- 10:39enough
- 10:40to
- 10:40play
- 10:40on
- 10:40frozen
- 10:41streets
- 10:41here
- 10:41in
- 10:41Erie
- 10:42during
- 10:42the
- 10:42wintertime.
- 10:43Yeah,
- 10:43I
- 10:43was,
- 10:43I'd
- 10:44look
- 10:44at
- 10:44them
- 10:44like,
- 10:44why
- 10:45did
- 10:45I
- 10:45do
- 10:45that?
- 10:45That's
- 10:46crazy.
- 10:47Football
- 10:47in
- 10:48a,
- 10:48in
- 10:48a
- 10:48foot
- 10:48or
- 10:48two
- 10:49of
- 10:49snow
- 10:49is
- 10:49better
- 10:50than
- 10:50any
- 10:51kind
- 10:51of
- 10:51football
- 10:51there
- 10:52is.
- 10:52Well,
- 10:52you
- 10:52play
- 10:53on
- 10:53the
- 10:53plowed
- 10:53streets
- 10:54where
- 10:54there's
- 10:54like
- 10:54an
- 10:54inch
- 10:55thick,
- 10:552
- 10:55inches
- 10:56thick
- 10:56of
- 10:56ice.
- 10:56You
- 10:56know,
- 10:56that's
- 10:57just
- 10:57dumb.
- 10:59Yeah.
- 10:59You
- 11:00get
- 11:00home
- 11:00eating,
- 11:01get
- 11:01felt
- 11:02all
- 11:02over
- 11:02your,
- 11:02your
- 11:02body.
- 11:05Yeah.
- 11:05So
- 11:05anyways,
- 11:06the,
- 11:07you
- 11:07know,
- 11:08I
- 11:08just,
- 11:08I
- 11:08think
- 11:08that
- 11:08the
- 11:09whole
- 11:09touch
- 11:09football
- 11:10thing
- 11:10will
- 11:11help
- 11:12football
- 11:12to
- 11:13become
- 11:13more,
- 11:13you
- 11:13know,
- 11:14a
- 11:14little
- 11:14bit
- 11:14more
- 11:14mainstream
- 11:15elsewhere
- 11:16in
- 11:16the
- 11:16world.
- 11:17And
- 11:17it
- 11:18removes
- 11:18a
- 11:19lot
- 11:19of
- 11:19the
- 11:19size
- 11:20issues
- 11:21that,
- 11:21you
- 11:21know,
- 11:23you
- 11:23know,
- 11:23it's
- 11:23more
- 11:24like
- 11:24seven
- 11:24on
- 11:24seven.
- 11:24Right.
- 11:25I
- 11:25mean,
- 11:25so
- 11:25you
- 11:25don't
- 11:25need
- 11:26a
- 11:26bunch
- 11:26of
- 11:26big,
- 11:26bulky
- 11:27linemen,
- 11:27you
- 11:27know,.
- 11:30You'd
- 11:30be
- 11:31amazed,
- 11:31though.
- 11:31I,
- 11:31I
- 11:31just
- 11:31had
- 11:32a
- 11:32podcast
- 11:33interview
- 11:33just
- 11:34a
- 11:34few
- 11:34months
- 11:34ago
- 11:35with
- 11:35a
- 11:35gentleman
- 11:36from
- 11:36Estonia,
- 11:37and
- 11:38they
- 11:38have
- 11:40semi
- 11:40professional
- 11:41teams
- 11:41in
- 11:41Estonia
- 11:42that
- 11:42are
- 11:42playing
- 11:43semi
- 11:43professional
- 11:43teams
- 11:44from
- 11:44Russia,
- 11:45which
- 11:45was,
- 11:45I
- 11:46guess
- 11:46nearby
- 11:46the,
- 11:47the
- 11:47border.
- 11:49If
- 11:49they're
- 11:49have
- 11:50semi
- 11:50professional,
- 11:50these
- 11:51guys
- 11:51are
- 11:51making
- 11:51some
- 11:51money.
- 11:52Somebody's
- 11:52paying
- 11:52some
- 11:53money
- 11:53to
- 11:53see
- 11:53these,
- 11:54these
- 11:54folks
- 11:54play.
- 11:55It's
- 11:55amazing
- 11:56how
- 11:56it's
- 11:56like
- 11:56grassroots
- 11:57effort
- 11:57is
- 11:58popping
- 11:58up
- 11:58sort
- 11:59of,
- 11:59you
- 11:59know,
- 11:59120
- 12:00years
- 12:00behind
- 12:00where
- 12:01we
- 12:01are.
- 12:02And
- 12:02again,
- 12:02I
- 12:03mean,
- 12:03I
- 12:03don't,
- 12:03you
- 12:04know,
- 12:04I
- 12:04mean,
- 12:04I,
- 12:04I,
- 12:05I,
- 12:05I
- 12:05get
- 12:05that.
- 12:06And,
- 12:07and
- 12:07like,
- 12:07you
- 12:07know,
- 12:07I,
- 12:08I've
- 12:08watched
- 12:09in
- 12:09the
- 12:10past
- 12:10year,
- 12:10I've
- 12:10been,
- 12:10I've
- 12:10watched
- 12:11the
- 12:11championship
- 12:11game
- 12:12and
- 12:12in
- 12:13Japan,
- 12:13in
- 12:14England,
- 12:14and
- 12:14I
- 12:15think
- 12:15I
- 12:15watched
- 12:15one
- 12:16for
- 12:16Finland
- 12:16recently.
- 12:17You
- 12:17know,
- 12:18India
- 12:18has
- 12:19a
- 12:19big
- 12:19league.
- 12:20Oh,
- 12:20really?
- 12:21Yeah,
- 12:21they
- 12:21have
- 12:22a
- 12:22professional
- 12:22football
- 12:22league
- 12:23in
- 12:23India.
- 12:24So,
- 12:25I
- 12:25mean,
- 12:25so
- 12:25anyways,
- 12:26yeah,
- 12:26I
- 12:26mean,
- 12:26I,
- 12:26I
- 12:27get
- 12:27it,
- 12:27but
- 12:27it's
- 12:27still
- 12:28not.
- 12:29I,
- 12:29you
- 12:29know,
- 12:29I
- 12:29just
- 12:30don't.
- 12:30I
- 12:30don't
- 12:31think
- 12:31it's
- 12:31quite
- 12:31the
- 12:32same
- 12:32thing
- 12:32as
- 12:33in
- 12:33terms
- 12:34of
- 12:34just
- 12:34the
- 12:34depth
- 12:35of
- 12:36the
- 12:36depth
- 12:36of
- 12:36interest
- 12:37that
- 12:37you
- 12:37have
- 12:37here
- 12:38and,
- 12:39and
- 12:39in
- 12:39Canada.
- 12:41But,
- 12:42you
- 12:42know,
- 12:42I
- 12:43mean,
- 12:43like
- 12:43the
- 12:43NFL
- 12:43draft,
- 12:44you
- 12:44know,
- 12:44they
- 12:44had
- 12:44all
- 12:44these
- 12:45people
- 12:45from
- 12:46Mexico
- 12:46and
- 12:46from
- 12:47all
- 12:47over
- 12:47the
- 12:48world,
- 12:48you
- 12:48know,
- 12:49announcing
- 12:50the
- 12:50picks
- 12:50and,
- 12:50you
- 12:50know,
- 12:51doing
- 12:51all
- 12:51that.
- 12:51I
- 12:51think
- 12:52it's
- 12:52great.
- 12:52You
- 12:52know,
- 12:52I'm
- 12:53perfectly
- 12:53happy
- 12:54that
- 12:54they're
- 12:54doing
- 12:54it,
- 12:55but
- 12:56I
- 12:56just
- 12:56think
- 12:56that's.
- 12:57I
- 12:57think
- 12:57I
- 12:58view
- 12:58touch
- 12:58as
- 12:59a
- 12:59tactic
- 12:59to
- 13:01help
- 13:01spread
- 13:02the
- 13:02word.
- 13:03Yeah.
- 13:03To
- 13:03help
- 13:03the
- 13:04NFL
- 13:04make
- 13:04more
- 13:04money.
- 13:04Of
- 13:05course
- 13:05it
- 13:05is.
- 13:05That's.
- 13:06Yeah,
- 13:06they're
- 13:06quite
- 13:07the
- 13:07marketing
- 13:07machine
- 13:08and,
- 13:09you
- 13:09know,
- 13:10you're
- 13:10quite
- 13:10the
- 13:10marketing
- 13:11machine
- 13:11yourself
- 13:11of,
- 13:12you
- 13:12know,
- 13:12bringing
- 13:13up
- 13:13some
- 13:13of
- 13:13these
- 13:14topics
- 13:14of
- 13:15American
- 13:15football
- 13:16history
- 13:16that,
- 13:17you
- 13:17know,
- 13:17we,
- 13:17we,
- 13:18most
- 13:18of
- 13:18us
- 13:18have
- 13:18never
- 13:19heard
- 13:19of
- 13:19before.
- 13:20Most
- 13:20of
- 13:20us
- 13:20never
- 13:20really
- 13:21even
- 13:21thought
- 13:21about
- 13:21before.
- 13:22But
- 13:22you're
- 13:23bringing
- 13:23them
- 13:23to
- 13:23light
- 13:23again
- 13:24and,
- 13:24you
- 13:24know,
- 13:25resuscitating
- 13:25them
- 13:26to,
- 13:26to
- 13:26our
- 13:26consciousness,
- 13:27and
- 13:27we
- 13:28appreciate
- 13:28that.
- 13:28In
- 13:28your
- 13:28tidbits,
- 13:29maybe
- 13:29you
- 13:29could
- 13:29tell
- 13:29folks
- 13:30where
- 13:30they
- 13:30can
- 13:30find
- 13:30more
- 13:31your
- 13:31work.
- 13:32Sure,
- 13:32just
- 13:33go
- 13:33to
- 13:33footballarchaeology.com
- 13:34it's
- 13:35a
- 13:35substack
- 13:35site.
- 13:36You
- 13:36can
- 13:36subscribe,
- 13:37follow,
- 13:38or
- 13:38just
- 13:38bookmark.
- 13:40You
- 13:40know,
- 13:40I've
- 13:40also
- 13:40got
- 13:41a
- 13:41bunch
- 13:41of
- 13:41books
- 13:42that
- 13:42I
- 13:42sell
- 13:42on,
- 13:44on
- 13:45Amazon,
- 13:46but,
- 13:46you
- 13:46know,
- 13:47you
- 13:47can
- 13:47also
- 13:47get
- 13:47them
- 13:47directly
- 13:48through
- 13:48me
- 13:48if,
- 13:48you
- 13:49know,
- 13:49for
- 13:49people
- 13:49who
- 13:49prefer
- 13:49not
- 13:50to
- 13:50use
- 13:51that
- 13:51route.
- 13:53So,
- 13:53yeah,
- 13:53that's
- 13:54kind
- 13:54of
- 13:54the.
- 13:55Any
- 13:55of
- 13:56those,
- 13:56or
- 13:57any.
- 13:58And
- 13:58all
- 13:58of
- 13:58those
- 13:59are
- 13:59ways
- 14:00to
- 14:00get
- 14:01some
- 14:01football
- 14:02archaeology
- 14:02background.
- 14:04Tim,
- 14:04we
- 14:05sure
- 14:05appreciate
- 14:06the
- 14:06work
- 14:06that
- 14:06you
- 14:06do
- 14:07and
- 14:07coming
- 14:07on
- 14:07here
- 14:08and
- 14:08sharing
- 14:08it
- 14:08with
- 14:08us
- 14:09each
- 14:09week,
- 14:09and
- 14:09we'd
- 14:10love
- 14:10to
- 14:10talk
- 14:10to
- 14:10you
- 14:10again
- 14:11seven
- 14:11days
- 14:11from
- 14:11now.
- 14:12It's
- 14:13a
- 14:13pleasure
- 14:13every
- 14:13time.
- 14:14So
- 14:14we'll
- 14:14see
- 14:14you
- 14:14then.
- 14:16That's
- 14:17all
- 14:17the
- 14:17football
- 14:17history
- 14:18we
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