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2139 - Pink Shade: Pop & Bravo with Aliza Rosen and Mary Payne · Pink Shade: Reality TV with Mary Payne

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  Speaker 1: Hey, everybody. Welcome to Pink Shade. It's Thursday.
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  Speaker 2: Thursday is the day we talk about pop culture and
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  Speaker 2: Bravo mostly. Today I have my friend. It is Aliza Rosen.
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  Speaker 2: Aliza is a podcast producer. Her latest podcast she's producing
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  Speaker 2: is called The Gilded Very, very interesting. And we're going
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  Speaker 2: to talk about that. And we're going to talk about Bravo.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, girl.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, girl. How are you?
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  Speaker 4: It's been a minute.
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  Speaker 1: I know. Now, listen. I saw you last June.
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  Speaker 3: Really? Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Because I was in town for Heather's 10th anniversary of
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  Speaker 1: Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like that was a year ago last June.
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  Speaker 4: Was it really just this past June?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, last June. Not this June. Last June.
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  Speaker 4: Like June of 2026?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: June of 2025.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that makes more sense. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And you told.
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  Speaker 2: Me at that dinner, at lunch, about two podcasts you
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  Speaker 2: were working on. And the first thing you said to
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  Speaker 2: me was, what do you think when I say the
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  Speaker 2: word gerbil? And I was like, Richard Gere had one
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  Speaker 2: up his butt?
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  Speaker 1: And you did an.
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  Speaker 2: Entire podcast about that rumor and that myth and how
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  Speaker 2: it got started and And then you also told me
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  Speaker 2: this story and you were like, and then, and then,
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  Speaker 2: but get this, she's on trial for murder, but get this.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
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  Speaker 4: Back up.
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  Speaker 1: Back up. I'm confused.
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  Speaker 2: Are we doing three podcasts here or just one? But
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  Speaker 2: you told me a story that was so long and
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  Speaker 2: winding and it was the, this, the Gilded Rage, the
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  Speaker 2: one that you're working on now, the one that just
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  Speaker 2: came out.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 3: I can't believe that we talked about all that. See,
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  Speaker 3: I have no memory, but I love that you remember.
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  Speaker 4: So gerbil, it's funny.
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  Speaker 1: I was fascinated. You know how much I love podcasts.
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  Speaker 4: I was fascinated.
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  Speaker 3: I know. These were both like up your alley in
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  Speaker 3: different ways. So start with gerbil. It's funny because both
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  Speaker 3: of them have been labors of love going on three
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  Speaker 3: years now. For Alan Salkin, the host of Gerbil and
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  Speaker 3: the journalist, it's been six years. So this is a crazy,
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  Speaker 3: it depends on sort of like how old you are,
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  Speaker 3: but the truth is that kind of it's gone over
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  Speaker 3: the decades. And that's what's so interesting about the rumors
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  Speaker 3: that it has sustained for so long. And there's this
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  Speaker 3: rumor when we were growing up about Richard Gere allegedly
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  Speaker 3: ending up at Cedars-Sinai emergency room with.
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  Speaker 4: A gerbil up his butt.
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  Speaker 3: And it's like, what? Is that even a thing? And
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  Speaker 3: Richard Gere, you know, this pretty woman, A-list actor. So
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  Speaker 3: it had always sort of nagged at Allen, who's a
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  Speaker 3: very esteemed journalist. He always says he does high and
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  Speaker 3: low very well because he wrote for the New York
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  Speaker 3: Times and the New York Post, et cetera, et cetera.
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  Speaker 4: And he treated it like a true crime investigation.
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  Speaker 3: And it is you know, it's really, we always say
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  Speaker 3: the podcast is a love letter to journalism because he
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  Speaker 3: really does an incredible detailed journalistic investigation. But, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I think what we try to establish right off the
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  Speaker 3: bat in episode one is that this is not silly.
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  Speaker 3: This is really not about a gerbil. It's about the truth.
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  Speaker 3: It's about why truth matters. It's about journalism. Like I said,
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  Speaker 3: it's about how things went viral before there was ever
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  Speaker 3: an internet.
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  Speaker 2: That's what people don't understand of this generation. It wasn't
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  Speaker 2: like you could Google it or anything. It was literally
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  Speaker 2: like somebody physically told me this.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: That they had heard it and they knew a person
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  Speaker 2: that worked in the ER, you know, and how, you
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  Speaker 2: know what I mean? How does it go viral when
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  Speaker 2: it's literally, you have to get out ye olde newspaper
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  Speaker 2: and Or like People Magazine, you know?
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  Speaker 3: Remember back in the day, there was that commercial with
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  Speaker 3: Heather Locklear for Fabergé Organics and they told two friends
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  Speaker 3: and they told two friends and so on and so on.
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  Speaker 4: And the screen starts multiplying.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: That's literally what this rumor was. And it went coast
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  Speaker 3: to coast. I grew up in New York. I was
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  Speaker 3: positive that it was a New York emergency room. And
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  Speaker 3: I knew, of course, the daughter or the son of
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  Speaker 3: the doctor who did it. You know, we all thought
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  Speaker 3: we were connected one or two degrees away, a separation
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  Speaker 3: from this rumor.
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  Speaker 4: And it's really... one of the best things I've ever.
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  Speaker 3: Worked on because I feel like we tell not just
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  Speaker 3: a really entertaining, compelling story. And if you love Hollywood,
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  Speaker 3: we talk about the intersection of Hollywood and these rumors
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  Speaker 3: and how sort of the Hollywood machine back in the day,
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  Speaker 3: even like in the Rock Hudson era would cover up,
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  Speaker 3: you know, homosexuality and how this rumor took root at
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  Speaker 3: the beginning of the AIDS scandal when Rock Hudson died.
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  Speaker 3: And really how the culture enabled it in different ways
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  Speaker 3: over the years and how one little rumor that seems
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  Speaker 3: innocuous or stupid or silly can ruin someone's life potentially.
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  Speaker 4: And that's not just Richard Gere.
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  Speaker 3: We cover several people who have had a horrible rumor
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  Speaker 3: attached to them as well. And some are so silly,
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  Speaker 3: you don't even talk. I mean, you think this one
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  Speaker 3: would be so silly, you don't take it seriously. But
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  Speaker 3: there are people that think this really happened. And the podcast,
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  Speaker 3: of course, we end up finding out, did it really happen?
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  Speaker 3: But I think we're trying to you know, we're trying
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  Speaker 3: to do a lot more than that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Because you told a story about a whole, um, a
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  Speaker 2: whole other person I'd never heard of that was like
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  Speaker 2: a newscaster in Philly.
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  Speaker 3: That's episode two.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It was like, if you are from the Philly area, like,
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  Speaker 3: of course, Kate Casey knew right away, anyone growing up
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  Speaker 3: in the eighties in the Philly or the Philly area
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  Speaker 3: knows the name, you know, when they, when you say gerbil,
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  Speaker 3: they say Jerry Panicoli. And we call it the Great
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  Speaker 3: Philadelphia Gerbil Panic of 1985. So it's so interesting that
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  Speaker 3: we say it somehow jumped from Jerry to Richard Gere, right?
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  Speaker 3: So it's just very Gere or Richard Gere, Jerry, like gerbil.
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  Speaker 4: It's just weird.
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  Speaker 3: Like there's all these And then of course, Richard Gere,
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  Speaker 3: there's a rumor that Sly Stallone started the rumor. And
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  Speaker 3: of course, Sly Stallone is Rocky from Philly. So it's like,
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  Speaker 3: is that somehow connected that it went from Philly to
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  Speaker 3: New York to LA? So it's very interesting, especially if
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  Speaker 3: you love Hollywood. It is brought to you by The
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  Speaker 3: Hollywood Reporter. We partnered with them. We really wanted to
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  Speaker 3: make this like a legitimate, this is not just some
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  Speaker 3: guy in his basement doing a weirdo podcast. This is
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  Speaker 3: a real, real story. And we've been getting, it's doing
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  Speaker 3: really well. We've been getting incredible feedback. Like all the
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  Speaker 3: reviews have been incredible. So it's very validating really for
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  Speaker 3: Alan more than anybody because, you know, the journalist's life
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  Speaker 3: is a hard life and you don't always get the
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  Speaker 3: accolades and you do a lot of stuff that people
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  Speaker 3: never read or listen to or watch. So I think
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  Speaker 3: that this has been an amazing moment and we're excited
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  Speaker 3: to see kind of like where it goes from here
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  Speaker 3: because there's some exciting things in the mix for the
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  Speaker 3: future with it.
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  Speaker 1: You're so busy.
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  Speaker 4: I'm so busy.
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  Speaker 1: So busy.
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  Speaker 2: Let's talk, let's dive into our Bravo ladies really quick.
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  Speaker 2: And then we will talk about your other show that
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  Speaker 2: I'm halfway through. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Potomac.
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  Speaker 2: So I just caught up on Potomac and I really
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  Speaker 2: dropped off of Potomac last year. I just got so like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know some of these people and.
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  Speaker 3: I don't care.
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  Speaker 2: And I jumped back in for the reunion. And, and
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  Speaker 2: so then I was like, okay, I'm going to do
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  Speaker 2: it this year. I'm not going to, I'm not going to,
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  Speaker 2: I'm just going to stick with it. I'm not going
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  Speaker 2: to be a loser and jump off because I know
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  Speaker 2: I missed something. So we've got Stacey and Timo.
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  Speaker 1: Timo.
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  Speaker 3: Timo.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Getting back together.
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  Speaker 2: Timo.
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  Speaker 1: Getting reengaged.
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  Speaker 4: I can't. First of all, I just want to say
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  Speaker 4: one thing about last season.
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  Speaker 3: Last season, the last few episodes with the trip, with
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  Speaker 3: Angel's trip, is some of the best television ever ever.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, it's worth going back. It's that good.
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  Speaker 3: It is the funniest. Angel, I wish she had come back.
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  Speaker 3: She was such a hot weirdo mess. I loved her.
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  Speaker 1: It seemed like she was lying all the time about
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  Speaker 1: where she was.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like, what? We never really knew. But
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: There's something about her that just was so interesting.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, speaking of lying. So yes, Stacey and Temu
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  Speaker 3: or Temu or Thimo or Thimo. They're crazy. I love it.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like I'm watching.
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  Speaker 3: A really weird soap opera that they're like running lines for,
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  Speaker 3: you know?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, that's exactly it. How did you.
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  Speaker 3: Get the dog here, Timo? That is so odd. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: it is.
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  Speaker 1: It is so weird.
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  Speaker 2: And when they look at each other's eyes, it's like
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  Speaker 2: they had just met.
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  Speaker 4: They're just meeting for the first time.
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  Speaker 3: It reminds me of Erica and Tom Girardi, but in
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  Speaker 3: a more fun way. Remember every time they talked, it
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  Speaker 3: was like, hello, nice to meet you, Mr. Girardi.
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  Speaker 1: Would you like some coffee in your cup, Mr. Girardi?
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  Speaker 1: I'll be in the parlor.
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  Speaker 2: I assume they did get divorced and are getting remarried
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  Speaker 2: because that's easy to look up in the court system.
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  Speaker 1: But like, Why did they get divorced?
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  Speaker 2: And then what happened to make them decide it was
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  Speaker 2: a mistake and get back together? We don't know that.
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  Speaker 2: We don't know why they got divorced other than he
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  Speaker 2: said she's fiscally irresponsible.
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  Speaker 4: It must have been something bad.
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  Speaker 3: But by the way, the best thing that Karen Huger
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  Speaker 3: ever said, and there's been a lot of best things,
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  Speaker 3: is that Stacey's AI.
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  Speaker 4: Because she really is. She's really AI.
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  Speaker 1: She's the weirdest person.
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  Speaker 3: Most compelling.
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  Speaker 4: And she's also like stunningly gorgeous, which.
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  Speaker 1: Just adds to the weirdness, right? Not a flaw.
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  Speaker 4: That's why it is like a robot from head to toe.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you at BravoCon at Amy Phillips' show, Deanna....
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  Speaker 2: And Emily, Amy's other co-host, got up and did like
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  Speaker 2: a whole parody on Stacey because they were like doing
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  Speaker 2: a giveaway of something that Amy got for the show
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  Speaker 2: to do like a raffle.
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  Speaker 1: And it was some, you know, bath products.
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  Speaker 2: But they stood up there and we're doing it as Stacy.
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  Speaker 2: And they had like pinned Christmas trees to their shirts
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  Speaker 2: and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: It was so fucking funny. They were like, they were just,
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  Speaker 1: they were just improvving it. They had decided to do
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  Speaker 1: it that day. Cause it had kind of gone viral
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  Speaker 1: that day about her old reels from QVC, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you won't believe it, you know? Um, so she's perfect
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  Speaker 1: for QVC actually.
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  Speaker 3: Perfect. I mean, she really is. And just like, then
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  Speaker 3: when they talk about Arabella, I get like a jump scare.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, Oh my God, these two procreated, like they are,
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  Speaker 3: have an actual daughter. I think, I mean, if she's
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  Speaker 3: not AI too.
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  Speaker 2: There's a character in a book that I read and
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  Speaker 2: it's the same woman, Gillian Flynn that wrote Gone Girl.
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  Speaker 2: And I can't remember what book it was. It was
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  Speaker 2: like dark things or something.
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  Speaker 3: Sharp objects.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe sharp objects, but the, the, There's a girl in
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  Speaker 2: the book called Arabella and it's dark.
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  Speaker 3: It's all dark.
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  Speaker 1: And when I hear her say Arabella, I think about
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  Speaker 1: the girl in that book.
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  Speaker 3: It's like Carrie.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it's like Carrie. God bless. I'm sure Arabella is sweet.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure she's thrilled. She's thrilled her parents are back together. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: If they were ever apart, we'll never know.
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  Speaker 1: We'll never know. But Timo, he's family like created Audi.
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  Speaker 1: Did they?
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  Speaker 3: Or does he just work there as a salesman?
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no. His actual family of origin. Yes. Really?
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: I literally thought he was just a salesperson.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no. His family of origin, his
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  Speaker 1: parents or grandparents.
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  Speaker 3: Timo Aldi? No.
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  Speaker 2: Aldi means something else. So I love Stacey and I
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  Speaker 2: love that the Grand Dame is back and being snarky.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, her latest confessional look in that black,
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  Speaker 3: she's never looked better.
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  Speaker 1: Is this with the one with the short hair or
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  Speaker 1: the long?
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  Speaker 3: No, they're both great. The one with the short hair,
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  Speaker 3: they're all great. The one with the hood or whatever. Yes.
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  Speaker 3: That's amazing.
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  Speaker 4: She's never looked better. I mean, I guess it's sobriety
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  Speaker 4: looks good on her and whatever work she had done.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's, she had the work done like the
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  Speaker 2: week before she went to prison and she gave it
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  Speaker 2: one year to settle.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, possible.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, not possible. I'm telling you what happened.
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  Speaker 3: Happened.
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  Speaker 4: You heard it through the DC Grapevine, did you?
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  Speaker 1: I did not. I studied the tapes like I do.
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  Speaker 2: When she went in, she had the nose that points down.
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  Speaker 2: And when she came out and she was in the
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  Speaker 2: car waving to the people, the nose was completely different.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 4: And she's not getting work done in prison as far
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  Speaker 4: as we know.
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  Speaker 1: Not a lot. I mean, that would be.
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  Speaker 3: You'd have to be really well-connected.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you'd have to really know yourself.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, go Karen.
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  Speaker 4: Listen, she was my favorite before all this happened.
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  Speaker 3: Then I really turned on her because when I heard
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  Speaker 3: four times, I thought, girl, I'm sorry, you're not going
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  Speaker 3: to get forgiveness from me.
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  Speaker 4: But she did her time. She's back.
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  Speaker 3: It feels like she's doing the work, not totally admitting
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  Speaker 3: that she's doing the work. She's got a long way
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  Speaker 3: to go, but it does appear she's sober. It does
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  Speaker 3: appear that she's, I like that she hasn't lost her edge. And,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I'm here for it. What can I say?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I don't like some of the language
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  Speaker 2: she uses around sobriety, like where she's just like, drinking
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  Speaker 2: was never my problem. I was like, lady, you had
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  Speaker 2: five DUIs.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Drinking was the problem.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and remember that we saw that crazy scene, I
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  Speaker 3: can't remember what season, but where they were doing shots
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  Speaker 3: and she was acting like a different person. And we
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  Speaker 3: were like, oh my God, we've never seen her like
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  Speaker 3: this before.
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  Speaker 1: They were in somebody's basement bar. Yes, exactly.
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  Speaker 4: Monique was there. And it was like, oh. And they
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  Speaker 4: all didn't seem phased by it.
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  Speaker 3: So it was like, oh, this is, Karen's actually behaving
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  Speaker 3: for the cameras, but this is what she's doing behind
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  Speaker 3: the scenes.
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  Speaker 4: It was kind of that vibe.
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  Speaker 1: They were all like, she calls us in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of the night. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And she's at the bar, fish house or whatever. What's
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  Speaker 3: that famous fish restaurant that she's at every day? The
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  Speaker 3: bartender says she's at the counter drinking.
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  Speaker 1: I can't remember what it was.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my God.
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  Speaker 1: I know what you're talking about.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of drive me nuts.
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  Speaker 4: It's like in the airports.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Boneyard.
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  Speaker 4: Boneyard? No, not Boneyard.
• 13:52
  Speaker 3: Bonefish?
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: Bonefish girl?
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  Speaker 4: Something like that.
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  Speaker 2: So, yeah, I don't like how she's like drinking. And
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  Speaker 2: it's fine if she felt like her problem was more
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  Speaker 2: pill related. But don't just on camera say drinking was
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  Speaker 2: never my problem when you went to jail literally for DUI.
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  Speaker 1: You know?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And you can't drink.
• 14:09
  Speaker 3: It's not like you can reintroduce drinking back into your life,
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  Speaker 3: but not your medication.
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  Speaker 4: Like this is a problem.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: So I'm, I'm, you know, TBD on Karen. I think
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: I'm very glad Robin is back.
• 14:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: I love Robin. Robert.
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: I don't understand that, but she's just doing it to
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: be mean, I guess, but I love Robin. We haven't
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: had a hide or hair or mention of Juan yet.
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: Juan Dixon would be so mad to hear that. I cannot.
• 14:38
  Speaker 4: Where is hashtag?
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: Where's Juan?
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: Where's Juan? Just, just mention him. Like he's at home
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: with the kids. He's a basketball practice.
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: We know where Juan is.
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: I don't. He's in somebody else's bed, but, but good
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: for Robin. I'm glad she got her job back.
• 14:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 14:53
  Speaker 4: And you, the money she needed it.
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• 17:03
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• 18:48
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• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I enjoy her.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: That husband is so tall.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: So tall. Did she say six, seven or seven feet?
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: No, I think seven one or something. She's like five one.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I like– Two feet taller.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: I think they have legitimate careers and legitimate wealth.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: It seems she's a legitimate wedding planner and he is
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: a legitimate basketball coach.
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: And perhaps going to be a legitimate preacher soon, I guess.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't get it, but that's neither here nor there.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: But we go every year to a Wizards game, at
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: least one. My husband goes to several, but I'll be looking.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: All eyes on them.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: I'll be looking. I'll be looking.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: Just like I'm always doing when I'm in the airport
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: and stuff. I'm always just looking around.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Scanning.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: You're just scanning to see who's about. Who else on Potomac?
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Ashley hasn't had much going on. I'm very surprised she's
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: still with that guy.
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: It's stupid. But here's the thing about Ashley.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: She drives me insane because she's so always producing the mess.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: She's just like, well, I felt like I had to
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: say something like, Ashley, stop.
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: We know what you're doing.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: Knock it off. There's something about her that just irks
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: the hell out of me from day one. Like, I'm
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: not mad she's on the show, but she just always
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: drives me nuts.
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: And I love Giselle.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: Like, I love Giselle because Giselle is, like, slightly sociopathic. Yeah.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: She's steady.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: She's a steady person.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like, nothing's going to faze Giselle. You can't hurt
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: her feelings. No, no.
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: That's where she ever has ever had actual feelings.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: You know, I know she loves her daughters, but other
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: than that, I just think it's like, oh, Robin's turning
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: on me?
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: Like, she's just.
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: She's just going with it.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Yes, I completely agree with that.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: I have a good friend who plays golf with Michael
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Darby regularly.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm so sorry. Condolences.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: And, you know, we say to this guy, like, you understand,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: he's a horrible, misogynistic, you know, grabby pig.
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: One of the worst. I mean, he's in the top
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: three of worst guys ever on Bravo, right?
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And my friend's like, I'm literally trying to just
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: sell him insurance.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Give me a fucking break. I got to play golf
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: with the guy, you know?
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: I had to listen to that disgusting man.
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: You know, he's just mansplaining everything.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Well, maybe not to other men. Maybe he doesn't do that.
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: No, he's just grabbing their asses.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: He's just like, oh, lean over and get your ball.
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: I mean.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Okay. So Real Housewives of.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: New York, the new iteration, iteration number three.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: I think it works. I'm for it.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: Me too. I think they finally found it. Um, I it's,
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: it's weird.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: Like it's, it's definitely like, I feel like I'm on
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: drugs when I'm watching it a little bit.
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean?
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: It feels like I'm still getting my sea legs on
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: because I like, I know I w I watched the
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: reboot number two. So it's like, I know that I
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: know Jessel, Aaron and size, they're familiar.
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: And then I'm getting used to these new girls. And
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: then it's Carol who's like 3.0.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: And So it's a little disorienting, but they're putting it
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: all out.
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: Like they're getting to Salt Lake level of like, let's
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: just do it.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: Let's just do this.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: I thought it was so funny. So you guys, we
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: are recording this on Tuesday. So if Salt Lake has
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: come out, New York has come out, and we didn't
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: get to see it, this is just what we're recording
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: on Tuesday for Thursday. But I will say the last
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: episode when Carol starts to tell the story about the
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: cursed Cartier watch– I was so in.
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: You're like, I need a podcast.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: I need a podcast about this watch. I need to
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: know everything. But the way that they're like, land the plane.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Land the plane. That was hilarious.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: God, her story is awful. But by the way, I
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: feel like she was trying to pitch her next book
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: or something. She's like, I might as well do it
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: on camera. That's what I feel like with Carol, that
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: she came on this show to try to exonerate herself.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: about the Epstein files and I feel like it backfired.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: That's just my opinion.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, you do?
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: I do. Why?
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Because you think people have more questions?
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: Have you seen the threads? Are you on threads?
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: I am. Okay. I'm just not on it on it,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: but I'm on it.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. I'm on it on it because I'm not
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: on Twitter. I'm not on Facebook. So I'm just really
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: threads is where the action is for me. Well, I'm
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: on Instagram, obviously. But anyway, people are not happy with Carol.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like she couldn't have given a
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: worse explanation. She seemed so nervous and she seemed like
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: she was lying. I'm not saying that Carol was involved
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: in fucking Jeffrey Epstein's property. Of course not.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Of course not.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: Not at all. But I think she was way better
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: friends with Ghislaine or whatever the hell her name is
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: than she's admitting. Her stories are not adding up in
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: terms of what she said on the show and what
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: she said on her sub stack.
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: And I just don't, I just get a creepy feeling
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: from her.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: And it's, again, I'm not saying she's involved in any
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: pedophile rings or anything horrible like that. I'm just saying
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: that I think Carol liked to be close to power
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: and money. I don't know if she still does. Maybe
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: she regrets that now. And I think that she was
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: in those circles. And I know she met Jeffrey Epstein.
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: Come on.
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: Of course she met him. Now, was she friends with him?
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: Probably not. But you know what I'm saying.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: I think if she said she never met him, then
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: she never met him. Because I think she knows it's
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: provable that somebody could come up with it and say, yeah,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: you did. And here's here's him at a party, here's
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: you at a party.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Well, there is. There's that picture, but that's also, you
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: can't prove it from a picture because they're not arm
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: and arm. They're like two people apart. So how many
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: parties have you been to with someone that you've never met?
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: That's totally plausible. I just don't, I don't know. I don't,
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: I've always, okay. This is a deep cut, but when she,
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: remember Ghostwriter Girl? Yeah.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: I knew from an extremely reliable source that she had
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: a ghostwriter for that book.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Is Brian Moylan your source?
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: No, no, but I know he said it also.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: No, this was someone like literally back when that, when
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: it was airing, that was like, I know for, I
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: can't get into it. Anyway, so I've always known that
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: Carol was loose with Lucy Goosey with the truth since
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: she was on originally. And I, you know, and then like,
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: I just, thought it was really weird the way she
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: was like bullying Jules about the eating disorder when I
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: think Carol has exhibited some eating disorder type behavior. Like
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: there's just something to me that she tries to play
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: Miss Cool Girl, laid back, everything's fine.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: And I just not buying what she's selling.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: It doesn't mean I don't think she's good for the show,
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: but I just, I'm not all in on Carol. I
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: used to be like before Ghostwriter Girl, I found out
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: the truth and then I've never looked at her the
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: same sense. So, but listen, like when it came to Bethany,
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: obviously we're all like, oh, Bethany's awful.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, I still find Bethany endlessly entertaining. Now,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: whether it's for the good or the bad or like
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: I'm laughing at her or with her, I still am like.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'll watch it.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: It's one of those people, of course.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: It's the Bethany show. I'll watch it.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Well, I really loved the bitchiness about this island sucks
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: and seven people own it.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Like, gross.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: Gross.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: What a loser. What a loser. Seven people own this island?
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: Ew.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: I normally go to islands where only one person owns it.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Get the fuck out of here. And Daisy being like,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Martha would think this was a dump. I really want
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Martha to come out and be like, I'd like to
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: be invited and I could judge for myself. I'm sure
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Martha Stewart would not think it's a dump.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: Well, remember she FaceTimed her last week or the week
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: before and she's like, check it out.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: She's like, oh, it looks beautiful. So yeah, even Martha
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: was like, wow, it looks really nice.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: I think she did say like, why wasn't I invited? Now,
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: Daisy is, I think she's coming in too hot, but
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: I'm not mad at it because I think she's good
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: for the show.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: You're right. She's coming in too hot. That's what it is.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: And on Watch What Happens Live, Andy's like, say five
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: nice things about Mosquito Island. And she was like, I
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: lost weight while I was there because the food was
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: from Costco.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: I was like, Oh my God.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: The food did look bad. I'm not going to lie.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: It didn't look great.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: It did look like it was supermarket food. And listen,
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: the food on a trip is the most important thing
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: to me. So I'll give her some grace there. But yeah,
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: it's super rude. And it's just a bad look with
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: your popcorn ceilings in your tiny little apartment, sweetie.
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: I don't care how cheap it is.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: You have... you know, you're close to money and power,
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: but you are not rich and powerful.
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: So take it easy. Come down a notch. The woman's
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: married to a billionaire, like step back.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, that girl's living, that girl's living the life.
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: With that body.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: With that body. And then she's just like, yeah, I
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: do run the runway. Who gives a fuck?
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: You know, I really like, totally.
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: I really like her.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: I hope that she doesn't disappoint us because I'm totally
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: into her.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like how she got drunk at her own
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: wedding at the Egyptian pyramids and asked for Taco Bell.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: I was like, that's relatable.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: No, totally.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: And she doesn't seem like she's saying it as like
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: a shtick.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like, try to be relatable
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: like Lisa Barlow. Right, right, right. Get it twisted.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Better go to Wendy's.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Okay, so who else can we talk about on that show? Psy,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: I'm not interested in her divorce yet. I am interested
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: that Jenna Lyons made a cameo via the telephone game.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: I enjoyed that.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: She's still in the mix.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I just like looking at Erin. I like to look
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: at her. I like to look at her outfits.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: That skin.
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: How does she have four kids and looks like that?
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: She's stunning. Her outfits are amazing. Her skin is incredible.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: Her spray tan is too dark. Okay.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: She reminds me of.
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: Like the queen bee in high school.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: Just a total gossip bitch.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: But would not have liked me whatsoever.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Like she would have been second tier for sure.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: She was just like, she's totally just literally her life.
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: Someone said it. I think Cy, like her life is
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: just gossiping. And like, okay.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: That's why she's on housewives.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: That's why she's on housewives.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: She's got four kids. I don't think her life is
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: just gossiping.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: She is.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: It is. It is.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: I guarantee she's on that phone all day gossiping. But
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: the thing is, is that what's so funny about her,
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: she'd be like, I have never, ever said anything like that.
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: And then you go to her confessional. She's like, yeah,
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: we all talk shit.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: So what we do.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: Okay. Like exactly.
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: Just admit it, honey.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Um, Jessel, I think they're trying to take her down
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: a peg. I don't like that they're trying to do
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: it through Povit.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: You know what I think is so interesting about Jessel
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: and her outfits and her posh accent and this and
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: that and the other has this huge tattoo across the
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: top of her back.
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: I didn't see. I didn't notice that.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Now, I have– listen, I've got tattoos. I'm a tattooed
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: girl myself. But I think when you're so hoity-toity about
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: my outfit is ball man and da-da-da-da. And how dare you?
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: It's head to toe Laurent. And then you've got a
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: giant tattoo, like shoulder blade to shoulder blade across your back.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: And it's like, it looks like Arabic writing.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Perhaps.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: But it's definitely something she did when she was 20.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: I was going to.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: Say, I feel like we've heard about her like wild
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: child past.
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: But maybe I'm making that up.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: Uh, she's also stunning and she is often has good style,
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: but often too much. I don't, I'm not a designer.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: I'm not a designer girl. Like I don't care how
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: much money you have. I think it's so cheesy, but, um,
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: But she's great for the show too. Listen, I think
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: they've got a cast. Haley is bizarro.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Bizarro. You're growing on me. Growing on me.
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: I mean, I wouldn't even say, growing on something.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: Like algae.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: I don't even know.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: But like, yeah, great for the show. She's like, we
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: need bizarro people. And yeah, I'm into it. I think
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: it's great. And they're all trying to make a great show.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: And I always appreciate that effort.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: They're like, this is our last chance.
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like this is it. Balls to the walls, girl.
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: Let's ruin all our friendships.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Who gives a fuck?
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Now, Salt Lake, you know, it's kind of the same old,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: same old. You don't know who's fighting and you can't
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: remember why.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: And don't care.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: Don't need to know.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: It all works.
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: I just sit there like, okay.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Me too.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: When I tell you, with Lisa Barlow, with the lips,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: when that was happening, the lining of.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: The lips with the pencil.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: I wish I had the pencil.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Over and over and over.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: It's more like this. It's my literal fence.
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: She doesn't come out with a lip liner tomorrow.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: I'll be so disappointed.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: The whole, the whole entire thing. I was like, okay.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: When she was doing it. And finally when Heather's like,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: what the fuck are you doing?
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: But you know what?
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: Do you agree with me? I don't think that it
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: was stick. Like, I think she's just like doing it. Like,
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: I don't think she's doing it as like a wink, wink.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: Like I'm going to have my thing. I think she's
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: just like doing it because she's Lisa Barlow.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: I think she was doing it to make sure the
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: camera caught it. So that's why she did it for
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: so long. I think she's like, this scene is going
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: to be on the show because they're fighting.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: We need continuity through the fight.
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: So I just keep doing it.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: No, I think she's like, I'm going to do it
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: the whole time in case parts of it get cut out.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: For sure they.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Can't cut out the lip lining because I'm coming out
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: with a lip liner.
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: I can't wait to see what happens.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: You guys, what happened?
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: She's just going to come out with a lip liner.
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: I love her. She and Meredith can do nowhere along.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Meredith drives me fucking crazy. I'm sorry.
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: Excuse me. Excuse me. What are you saying, Mary Pang?
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: I'm saying that Meredith drives me insane.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: I can do without her.
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: That's a new problem.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: I can do without her.
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: No. How dare you?
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: I love the Marks family, the family opposers.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: I love them.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: It is a family of opposers. It totally is.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed. If Meredith, I love that they
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: keep trying to push her out. She's like, I'm here
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: to stay.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: That was a little more Erica Jane. But she's the best.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: Lisa Barlow is the best. They, to me, I just,
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: they should do, remember the Simple Life show that Sonia
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: Rita and Luann did? Crappy Life.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Crappy Life.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: We watched every episode.
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: It was so funny.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah. That with Lisa and Meredith would be so funny.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: That's a good idea that you should pitch.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: Free idea.
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: Free idea for Jeff Jenkins.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Um, that's a really good, that's a really good idea.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: I had a really good idea the other day for, um,
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: my friend, Matt Sharp, who, well, he's still, uh, he
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: will not. Give me an interview even though I've asked
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: him face-to-face and mentioned your name.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: It's insane. And you've emailed on my behalf. He still
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: won't do it.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: And he said yes.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, and he said yes. He said yes to my face.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Three times to my face. Three times.
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: Maybe he's scared of your journalistic skills.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: No, he's not.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: I'm so softball with the TLC people because I love
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: TLC and I got to like stay in.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: Their good graces.
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: But you're like the biggest fan.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: I don't get it.
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: It makes no sense.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't– anyway.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: I had a great idea for a Matt Sharp show
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: and I'm just like, you're welcome, Matt Sharp.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: And it is to do, instead of the great British bake-off,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: to do the great prison bake-off. And it's all these
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: people that come out of Love After Lockup that have
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: all these amazing recipes that they learned from just what
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: they have in prison. That is a great idea.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: And just to give them what they got in prison,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: like here's your ramen, here's your Jolly Ranchers, here's your
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Here's your honey buns. Here's your summer sausage. We hear,
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: and they give them literally like the top of a
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: bunk with the paint scraped off, rolls of toilet paper
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: to light it. They have to cook it like they
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: did in prison.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: Wait, I am cracking up because the last like formal
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: job that I had in an office, I worked with
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: someone in development who pitched me a show, a cooking
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: show in prison. And I remember being like, why the
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: hell does anyone want to watch a pitching show in prison?
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: But You are saying take your prison skills and bring
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: it on the outside. Yeah.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: So it's set up like the Great British Bake Off,
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: but instead of like those gorgeous, colorful tables and everything
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: looks so beautiful, it's all gray.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: People want to watch food shows for unappealing gray prison backgrounds.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: But you don't even understand the things that these people
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: can make with what they're given.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: You don't even understand. Like they'll talk about it. You're like, damn,
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: that sounds good.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: I feel like the first, like the quick fire needs
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: to be them doing it in that environment.
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: And then they have to bring it to the beautiful environment,
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: see if it will translate.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, they can have the beautiful environment and they
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: can have cute clothes and everything, but they're only going
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: to be given what they got in prison.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: And they still have to use a toilet paper roll.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: That's how, that's their fire.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: And that they're also allowed to trade.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: Right. Well, obviously, bartering is a huge part of it.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Bartering is a huge part of it.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God. This is amazing.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: If you've got like 20 summer sausages and somebody needs three,
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: they can take two packs of your Jolly Ranchers.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's a great idea. Matt Sharp, call me.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Call me. I'll be the judge. I'll be the taster.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: I'll be the host. Keisha and I are like, we're
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: pitching this show. We're pitching it.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: We're dying. This is so funny.
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: Hilarious.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Somebody pitched you that show and you said no, and
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: you don't even know. You've missed out.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: Listen, I've passed on a lot of shows that have
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: become successful, so I'm not the arbiter of taste on everything.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, you're anti-Carol, so I mean.
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: Establish that.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: What do I know? What do I know?
• 36:21
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• 40:38
  Speaker 2: so you didn't watch The Golden Life.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to.
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  Speaker 1: It's this afternoon. It's a must-see watching.
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: How can I watch it, though, on Hulu?
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  Speaker 1: I think Hulu.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: Now, everybody– this was like a big thing because, like,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people don't have cable anymore.
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: I do have cable, actually.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: Okay. So I literally watched it on E.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: I watched it on E.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: And recorded it. And then I set my DVR because,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you and I are the same age.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: And set the DVR.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: Everything's recorded.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: Everything's recorded. But you can also watch it on Hulu
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: is my understanding. It is so good, Aliza.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: I'm so excited. This is, this is what we've been
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: waiting for.
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: Why didn't Ryan Bailey like it? I usually agree with him.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: I didn't hear Ryan say he didn't like it. I
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: would fight.
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  Speaker 3: I was like an unpopular opinion because he knows that
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: everyone's in the Bravo universe is loving it. So I'll
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: take the Bravo universe on this one because I'm sure like, again,
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: I watched all the crappy Lake and loved it. So
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: me too. I'm the, I'm the audience.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: When I tell you, Sonia is still so delusional and
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: they're calling, they're calling her out on it.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Like, yeah, Why do you just lie? Like you literally,
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: you're just, you're just lying, you know?
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: And then also Ramona is so hateful to anybody she
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: deems beneath her, which is everyone.
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: I love Ramona.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: She's so awful, Aliza. That's why I love her. Over
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: and over and over. She's like, no, you can't bring them.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: They're staff. They're staff.
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: No offense.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: They're staff.
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: She's literally a horrible person.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: And she's so awful. Looking directly at somebody's face goes,
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: you can't sit here. You're staff.
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: Can you imagine, like, she exists in this world?
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Luanne's like, these are my friends. She's like, oh, what
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: about your friends? They're your staff. I mean, I invited you,
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: not your staff. I mean, she's so awful. She's so awful.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: And Sonya's delusional and claiming she's sober. And she might
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: be sober from drinking.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: She might be. But she's not sober.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: That's the big might. She's not sober from everything.
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: What about Dorinda? There's no way she's sober.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: She was sober on episode one.
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: How boring.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: No, I'm just kidding.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Sober on episode one. And it's like, I don't know.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: She's like, Sonia is still trying to fight with me
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: about something that happened 10 years ago when I didn't
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: invite her to Bluestone Manor. And she was so she
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: was not featured in like two or three episodes.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: Because she was at Bluestone Manor. Right. And what?
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: The Morgan Letters one or different?
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: It was must have been after. Okay.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: Okay. And.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: She wasn't invited to Blue Stone Manor because of her
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: drunken behavior, and they were afraid of what she would do.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: But somebody pointed out to me, Jason Zephyr, I had
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: him on, and he pointed out that Sonya was actually
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: featured in a couple of those episodes because she was
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: going to get her vagina lasered or something. And they
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: FaceTimed her so that she was featured.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I vaguely remember. I do vaguely remember that, which
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: is crazy. I don't remember what I ate for breakfast,
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: but I remember that.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Hundreds of thousands of dollars. She took it out of
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: my daughter's mouth.
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Your daughter is actually a Morgan.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: So no money has been taken out of her mouth. Wow.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: Yes. Oh, my gosh.
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: She is so delusional.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: She's just making stuff up. She says, I don't drink anymore.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: I never see Harry Dubin. He's like, I literally see
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: her four times a week at this certain barstool like
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: Harry Dugan.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: It's wild.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: You know what's crazy though? Do you remember when she
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: first came on Housewives, she was kind of normal?
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: No, I don't remember that.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: Go back. Like her first season, she was like, I
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: think she started as a friend and she was like
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: kind of normal, even on Scary Island.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Scary Island, she was like trying to take up for Kelly.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: She was like, hey everyone, like something's wrong.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: Like Sonia surpassed that Jelly Bean's Al Sharpton ramp by
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: like 10,000 rants. Like she is on another level of crazy.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: And I feel like it's mental illness or drugs or
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: both or fame.
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: I don't know. It's something happened.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: It's interesting because Ramona's like, I never see her. We
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: live three blocks away from each other. And then Sonya's like,
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: I'm her recluse.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: I'm her recluse.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: And then Harry's like, no, she's at this bar. I
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: see her all the time. And yeah, once you get
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: eyes on it, get back to me and let me
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: know what you thought about Harry Dubin seemed to be
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: doing a little bit of a dementia shuffle.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know what was happening.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: The fact that Harry Dubin's on it is hilarious. Like
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: he will never go away like a cockroach.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not my age. He's 61.
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: Oh, my God.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: I thought he was like 84.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: No, he's 61. He looks 84.
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: He looked 84 like 15 years ago.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: He looks 84, and he's shuffling around and flirting with Sonya.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: He's like, stop it. Stop it, Harry.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I can't.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: And you're like, he's fucked, Luann and Sonya. And we
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: know he made out with Ramona. Remember those pictures came out?
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: Oh, God, Harry. And was married to Aviva. Yeah.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: And told Ingrid and I when we met him that
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: he also used to date Kelly Kalor and Midsommar.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: I mean.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: I forgot about the married to Aviva part. I want to.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: Remind non-New Yorkers that there's 10 million people in New
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: York City. But on this show, there's only one man.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: And not even like a good looking one.
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: Not even a good, not even a catch.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: Not even a catch. Not even a catch.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: Okay, so we did it all. We did Potomac, Salt Lake, Roney,
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: and The Golden Life. Please, when you watch it, send
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: me a text and just tell me.
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm literally going to watch it today after the
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: Matthew Perry documentary.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: Did you see, you can see everything yet?
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: Hello, obviously.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Okay, we'll text about that later. We can't go into it.
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: I can't wait to hear your thoughts. I actually did
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: an episode on Kate Casey's podcast.
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: Before about it.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: Okay, good.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go listen.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, listen.
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: We were on the same page, I think.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: Okay. Yeah.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's really only one answer here. Yeah.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: No, it was just, I mean, there's just so much,
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: there's just so much, you know, an incredible work of art.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: I want to see it again.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: Same.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: And come back from a different lens. Yeah.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: Well, now that we know what, you know what I mean?
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: Now we can like look for all the things. Now
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: we can really see everything.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: The, the key word of the title is you can
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: see everything.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: You can.
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: Could you?
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, you can.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: But you can. Yeah. You guys, it's just amazing.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: If you know, you know.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: Okay. Let's wrap it up by discussing your new podcast,
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: The Guilty Rage. Okay. Now, here's how I'm viewing this, right? Okay.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: We're going into this trying to solve an unsolved rape
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: of a woman in Colorado. And the woman that she
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: moves back to her hometown in Rhode Island?
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: Let me, can I stop? Just because I don't want
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: to get the, I don't want, I need to get
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: the facts right.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: You get the facts right.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Because it's so like, it starts off as one thing
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: and turns into another thing and then goes back to
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: the first thing.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: It's crazy, guys. It's so good.
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: It's really crazy. So basically, but there's something that links everything.
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: So basically- The podcast starts with a woman named Penny
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: McGee who reaches out to my co-producer and the host,
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: Lauren Malloy, who was investigating, still is, the murder of
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: her own mother. And we did a podcast for Audible
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: called My Mom's Murder. So Lauren lives in Rhode Island.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: Penny lives in Rhode Island. So she reaches out to
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: Lauren because Lauren sort of had success reopening her mother's
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: case and saying, hey, you don't know me, but when
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: I was 15 years old, and at this point she's
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: 57 when she reaches out to Lauren, she says, you
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: don't know me.
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: When I was 15 years old, a.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: Man named Bleep Bleep sexually assaulted me outside an exclusive
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: club in Rhode Island called the Dunes Club. And I
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: have a reason to believe he's a serial predator and
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: potentially involved with the death of a college girl at
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: University of Colorado Boulder in 1985, four years after she
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: says she was raped. So Lauren's like, huh.
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: This is interesting. Like what is all this about?
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: So Penny was attacked by this man, like in high school.
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: Four years before Sherry Clark, the girl under the bridge
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: in Boulder died.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: Okay. All right.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: So, you know, she's like.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: I, you know, look into this kind of thing and,
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: and I'm not getting anywhere with Narragansett police. So basically
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: Penny had never reported her alleged rape to authorities, but
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: she realized once he moved a mile away in Newport,
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: Rhode Island, it's, and that's why the gilded rage, because
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: if you ever watched the gilded age, it's all of
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: the rich people from the early 20th century in New York.
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: They all used to like the Rockefellers and the Vanderbilts.
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: They all used to have homes in Newport, Rhode Island,
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: which is the mansion walk. So we actually did our
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: first interview with Penny in Edith Wharton's old mansion on
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: the cliff walk because she was working for the guy
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: that owned it.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: The mansions in Newport, by the way, just sidebar.
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: Unbelievable.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: They're summer homes. Yeah, the summer homes.
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: It's crazy. I mean, literally right on the water. So
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: we sort of dive in, not really understanding the full story,
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: but knowing there's something here. And, um, at the end
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: of the first episode, I want to ruin the cliffhanger,
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: but you find out, you know, they always say there's
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: no perfect victims and Penny's got all of these sort
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: of checkered things from her past. But what we haven't
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: told you yet is that Penny has got her own
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: issues that she's facing as we meet her. So that's
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: a whole other twist.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: That- And how quickly did you guys- We knew.
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: Lauren Googled her right away when she got the email.
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: So we knew right away, which is honestly why I
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: was like, what is this story? Yes, I'm in.
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: And I don't even really understand Sherry Clark's story yet.
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: I didn't know.
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: I thought Penny's story would become, and these other women
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: finding other victims, et cetera, because she had already kind
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: of made some inroads on that. I thought that would
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: be our investigation and like Penny's life. And she was
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: going to be the core of the whole series. What
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: I didn't know is that it became really Sherry Clark,
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: the girl who died under the bridge and seeing how
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: that case was swept under the rug so quickly with
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: no answers and not just a Boston investigation, but a
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: potential coverup that let a potential serial predator get away.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: And the way that the people that knew him back
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: then talk about this guy, like he's just a ladies man.
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: He was probably banging three girls tonight, whatever. I mean,
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: that's cool. That's cool. He was cool. He was so cool.
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So once we dug in, this became my life
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: basically almost three years ago.
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: And I was not a detective when I started. I
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: think I am one now.
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: But I just knew even from reading, we had so
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: much information. We had police reports. We had depositions and
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: interrogatories and memorandums because the family ended up suing him
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: for wrongful death because he was never, even though he
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: was arrested on first degree homicide, after being the last
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: person that ever saw her after he had what he
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: calls consensual sex with her five minutes after meeting her,
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: ends up dead under a bridge face down when her
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: lethal blow was to the back of her head, somehow
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: he was arrested but never charged.
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: So he was sued.
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: And so we have this plethora of information that we
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: had to draw on. And we have memos between the
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: sheriff's department and his lawyers and all these things that
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: I was like, this is something happened here that does
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: not make sense. We have all the news articles from
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: the time too. So it became this jigsaw puzzle of
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: really just trying to piece together what happened. We hired
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: our own independent pathologist. We hired a law enforcement, uh,
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: detect the former detective that I had worked with on
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: the John Bonnet case.
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: And he was a Boulder local.
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: So he was incredibly helpful in opening doors to talk
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: to people who had worked the case at the time
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: and who basically looked at it now and were like, wow,
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: we really screwed this up.
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, you did.
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: Why am I doing the police work that you should
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: have done 40 years ago? I'm not using technology. I'm
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: just writing things down and connecting dots from testimony that
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: changed 13 different times over the course of 12 hours.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: It's not like you're looking at DNA evidence. Yeah, nothing sophisticated.
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: All I did was put it in an Excel spreadsheet,
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: but you could have written it down. It was nothing fancy.
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: It was just connecting dots and they just didn't do
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: the work. And then- You know, and we don't know why.
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: So that's part of what becomes of all this.
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: And the exciting part is that because of our work
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: and the work of Sherry's brother, Jason and Penny, Boulder
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: law enforcement, the coroner's office, the DA, they're all looking
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: at this again and deciding, should we change the cause
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: of death from accident to either undetermined or homicide?
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: And should we be looking at this as a homicide again?
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: You know, which is what they were originally treating it
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: as that night.
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: They told the press, we are calling this a homicide.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: But this guy, he comes from a really rich family?
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: Okay. White guy, comes from a rich family. Yeah.
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: He has the best, he hires the best lawyer, best
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: defense lawyer in Boulder who used to, or Denver, used
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: to be the DA in Boulder. So he knows everybody
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: and they all respect the guy. And it was a
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: lot of good old boy network, you know, like, yeah.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: It's interesting that it kind of starts off with like
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: Penny realizing like, oh my God, this guy that, you know,
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: assaulted me, And it raped me in high school now
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: lives a mile away from me. Like, whoa, let's, you know,
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know. The whole thing, Aliza is it's, it's
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: so many twists and turns guys. Like I said, you
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: send it to me. And I've been listening and I'm
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: halfway through because there are many episodes where I was like,
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: hold on. Because I walked around the house and I'm like, wait,
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: I missed something. And I'll come back because I.
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: You really have to pay attention. You have to pay attention. Yeah.
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: If you miss one thing because, and we do circle
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: back to things, but what happens is by episode four,
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: it basically becomes a real-time investigation for me and Lauren.
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: So I had no intention of being on the mic.
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: I'm usually just behind the scenes, but- I just became
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: so involved at tracking people down and talking to people
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: and connecting dots and interviewing people. So, and then Lauren
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: and I debriefing on stuff because also we would divide
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: and conquer and we start testing things and we, you know,
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: like all of a sudden it's like, and we're getting
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: evidence that we never knew existed in real time. So
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: crazy things. And literally to the point where we haven't
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: even cut episode 10 yet, the last episode, because we're
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: still waiting to decide if law enforcement is going to
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: do anything, which is kind of crazy. And, Um, just
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: to let people know, um, the, the third episode dropped yesterday, Monday,
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: so it drops every Monday. So it's, it's going to
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: be 10 episodes, maybe more, but for now, 10 episodes total,
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: and it drops weekly anywhere you get your podcast. But
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: if you can't wait, you can subscribe to our Patreon, uh,
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: the Gilded Ridge podcast, and you.
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: Can listen to all nine today.
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: And a lot of people have joined because I think like,
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: you know, it's an addictive story. And luckily I gave
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: you a free peek, but.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: But you know what?
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: The way you sent it to me, I can't save
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: it because you sent me the raw. So I'm going
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: to go and join the Patreon because I'm getting on
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: a plane later today.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: And I want to listen. I was in my mind.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm going to listen to all of it.
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: I would say join the Patreon for this reason. We
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: are giving so much extra content. So every time we
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: drop an episode, we're doing a bonus episode. So like
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: our first episode is 50 minutes long. our bonus episode
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: is 58 minutes long. Like there's so much extra information
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: and behind. So there's the behind the scenes of the investigation,
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: which is like how we found this person, what we
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: talked about, you know, things that you can't find out
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: in the podcast that you'll find out on the Patreon.
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: So you'll get bonus episodes, but you also get case files.
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: Like we've got police reports, you know, trial footage, like
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: things that we're saving just for Patreon members. So I
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: have to say, I think you're getting a lot of
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: bang for your buck on the Patreon beyond just the
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: free episodes.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you guys, if you're listening on the free feed,
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: like she said, it's every Monday they're dropping the episodes.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: And I think that what you're underplaying here, the people really,
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: for my listeners that I know are really into, you
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: guys will not believe Penny's.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: Story of what... Aliza just said it the right way.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: There are no perfect victims. She's not a perfect person.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: She has had her struggles.
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: And her through line of what she's going through is... Also,
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: a completely other show, practically.
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: And we thought it was the show. We really did.
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: We thought it was the show. And that's how crazy
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: this story is, that.
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: It becomes— we don't go back to Penny's story after episode
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: two until episode nine.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: Like, that's how much— I'm dying to know what happens there, so.
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I love that you haven't Googled.
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: You know, there's the— No, no, no. We are the
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: type that don't Google. And then like my husband Googles immediately.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: I'm like, what's the point?
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: That's why with you can see everything. I was like,
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: don't anybody.
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: Same. That's why I had to see it.
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: Like the day it came out.
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: I was like, if I see a spoiler, I'll be
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: so pissed.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: So mad.
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So, so I really have to say like, it's,
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: it's from a, you know, I've worked on a lot
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: of true crime.
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: I worked on the job. You know, this is to
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: me the most.
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: First of all, the story I felt most passionate about
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: over the course of my career.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you told me a year and a half ago
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: about it.
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like I just feel like.
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: And I will just say this, that because of the
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: way it has gone around wildfire with CU Boulder women,
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: that we have a whole community of women that are
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: now talking to us about what happened to them. So
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: this is what we hoped for because we knew there
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: were going to be more victims. And that's exactly what's happened.
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: So this story is not over by any stretch.
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: And it's certainly.
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: with like the wolves of real estate, which you should
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: watch on Peacock about the Alexander brothers and obviously just,
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: you know, everything going on in the culture with sexual
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: assaults on college campuses, it couldn't be more timely. And, um,
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: I think, you know, this is just a specific story
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: that's just never gotten any attention until we shined a
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: light on it. And again, we're trying just like gerbil
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: in a way we're trying to tell a bigger story here.
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: but also trying to get justice for not just Sherry,
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: but these other women that just, you know, have had
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: to live with this for decades and decades.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: Elisa Rosen, gosh, she's very, very legit. Very legit.
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: Too legit to quit.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: She's a legit journalist, podcast producer. I can't talk. Podcast producer.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: And I'm so proud of you. You're just killing it.
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: I'm always proud of you because you work. You are
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: the hardest working woman in show business. That's for sure.
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? I'm doing two shows today
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: and then I'm headed to Italy this afternoon.
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: I'm so jealous. I was supposed to be in Italy
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: this month, but I'm getting my knee replaced instead. Oh.
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: Living the glam life.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: It's fun to be our age.
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: I want to say, sorry, that we also have an
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: Instagram account, the Gilded Rage Podcast, and we're putting a
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: lot of content on there too.
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: Lauren just did an amazing video.
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: You'll have to check it out. Yesterday, she's asking a
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: very important question of our man, Jay.
• 59:17
  Speaker 4: And it's getting a lot of attention.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: And we don't ever know his name. Well- Maybe we do. Okay. Gilded,
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: not Gilded Age.
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: There's a Daily Mail article about it. I saw people
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: posting his name. I think it's, we are never saying
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: his name. Okay. We are not identifying him, but we
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: can't control what other people do. Okay.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: All right. Well, again, I haven't Googled it, so he's
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: just J to me.
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: He's just J to us.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: You guys, make sure you're following Aliza.
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: It's A-Y-R Media, but also, like she said, they have
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: the Gilded Rage podcast also.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: On Instagram and And go and listen to it.
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: And make sure you do Rage, not Age. It's not
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: an HBO recap show.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: And they haven't come after you to be like, hey.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: The Gilded Age is a phrase. It's a phrase. I
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: love that show, by the way.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: Everybody, make sure you're following me at PinkShadePod. And keep
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: up with what Elise is doing. She's out here just
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: killing the game, as Kate Casey would say. And when
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: you watch The Golden Life, do text me.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: Immediately, obviously. Okay.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: Bye, Aliza. Thanks.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: Bye.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: Thank you.