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*Bonus* New NRLCA Tentative Agreement Highlights · United We Scan

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  Thank you. Now here are the hosts of the
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  United We Scan podcast. Hey, welcome back everybody.
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  We're doing a bonus episode, so it's Sunday, but we're here
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  tonight because they have informed us that we have reached
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  a tentative agreement and we are going to go over the highlights
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  that were posted. I will forewarn you that it
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  might get a little heated at times, but I am the voice of
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  reason. So we are here tonight to meet
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  James and Bill. James is on the road coming back
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  from Montana. So we're going to get this
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  started right away and I'm just going to read it and then we'll
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  discuss the sections as we come about it.
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  So NRLCA reaches tentative agreement with USPS for
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  three-year contract The National Rule Letter Carriers Association
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  and the United States Postal Service have negotiated A
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  tentative agreement to cover the three-year period from May 21st,
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  2024 to May 20th, 2027. This tentative agreement must be
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  ratified by a majority of the voting membership of the NRLCA
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  to become effective. The highlights of the tentative
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  agreement are outlined below. A more detailed explanation of
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  the changes will be presented in a special Tentative Agreement
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  edition of the National Roll Letter Carrier Magazine and via
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  ratification meetings to be held in every State in accordance
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  with Article 11, Section 1 of the Constitution of the National
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  Roll Letter Carriers Association.
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  The required ratification meetings will be held throughout
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  the months of May and June 2025 in conjunction with State
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  conventions. When possible.
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  The time and place of each meeting will be published on the
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  NRLCA website as soon as possible.
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  The NRLCA National Board unanimously believes the
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  tentative agreement is fair and reasonable and is in the best
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  interest of the 131,000 hard working Rd. letter carriers
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  across the country. The tentative agreement provides
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  for substantial gains in wages and benefits for awful
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  classifications of rural carrier.
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  Again guys, this is just a tentative agreement.
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  We still need to get that hard copy print of the TA that will
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  have more explanations and information other than just
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  these highlights as well as ratification.
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  Those you can at least. Monitor there.
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  Yes, Sir, you. Use the word there.
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  I'm not sure is correct. You said substantial.
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  I was reading it. It was not my word.
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  It was what? I I but I I I didn't hear
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  substantial what? Gains in wages and benefits.
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  Oh, OK. All right, Yeah.
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  OK, OK. Sorry.
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  So before everybody's like no, no, no, no, no.
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  Honestly, when the hard copy comes in the mail, do not throw
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  it away. Sit down and go over it.
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  If you can go to a ratification meeting, please do because
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  that's where you can ask questions.
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  So with that said we are going to go down and the bullet
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  pointed highlights and discuss each one.
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  Tentative agreement 2024 to 2027.
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  First one Article 38 three-year contract expires May 20th 2027.
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  Pretty self all right. Article 9.1 Point A General wage
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  increase 1.3% for November 2024. Retroactively applied 1.4%
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  November 2025 and 1.5% of 2026. Example based on a 40 hour route
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  at step 7 of Table one. Effective November 16th, 2024,
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  general wage increase of 917 annually.
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  Effective November 15th, 2025 general wage increase of 988
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  annual. Effective November 14th, 2026,
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  general wage increase of 1058 annually.
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  These amounts will vary depending on the table step and
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  the evaluated hours of the particular carrier and route.
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  All right, guys, go ahead. Give your opinions on that one.
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  1.31.41.5 You are talking the exact same stuff that the city
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  carriers got. We just follow the city carriers
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  in the contract negotiation and that's what they were waiting on
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  to give us the same increases that the city carriers got.
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  I didn't realize we were city carriers.
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  We knew we weren't going to get more my I, I knew it was going
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  to follow similar, if not exactly the same as what the
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  city had got. Am I surprised?
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  No. Am I disappointed?
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  Of course. Bill, Any thoughts on it?
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  No, no, no. I I'm.
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  I'm not surprised. I, I just, I, I'm just amazed at
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  how gutless our president is that releases after the
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  completion of the Western States Conference and the fact that,
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  you know, he did not have wherewithal to stand up in front
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  of a crowd of his, his contingent, his followers.
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  Western states, the ones who need to work the MO use because
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  they can't afford to live in the Western states without the
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  overtime. But he couldn't do that in front
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  of 80. Some people that you know,
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  attended the western states in Billings, Mt and and then take
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  the heat. This is this is how gutless this
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  man is. And for him to say that these
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  are substantial increases is just a slap in everybody's face.
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  And if your table one OK, the 1.3 might not look so bad if
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  you're a table 21.3 doesn't do diddle.
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  And I'm just so disappointed for entire craft.
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  But we knew this was coming. We warned everybody we'd get the
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  same thing as the city carriers we have, you know, in the
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  instance of the NLAC and the NRLCA, we have two gutless
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  leaders. And if this doesn't get
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  everybody off the fence about changing the leadership in the
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  National Roll Letter Carriers Association, I don't know what
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  will. Because this is the most
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  cowardice act I've ever seen. Somebody dropping this news on a
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  Friday before a holiday weekend. Easter is a holiday for some and
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  right after a Western States Conference.
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  Gutless. That's all I can say.
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  He's gutless. And I'm ashamed of every one of
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  you that voted for him last year because you got exactly what you
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  deserve. Except for the retirees, because
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  this won't faze them at all. I'm done.
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  It's almost like Renfro. It's almost like Renfro when he
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  said it was going to be a historic contract, you know,
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  substantial raises. You know, using cost of living
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  adjustments as a base for what your raises are is robbing Peter
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  to pay Paul. You know it.
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  It's basically just saying, well, your normal general wages
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  don't mean anything. You need the cost of living to
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  get you where you need to be. The cost of living was designed
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  to help us stay above the cost of living, not get us close to
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  what cost of living is after the fact.
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  And we're sitting here and 1.31.41.5 with diet cola for
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  Table 2 is not going to help anybody.
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  You know, you're talking about I'm going to be paying the same
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  amount for milk and groceries and and other expenses that I
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  have that every other carrier is going to do.
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  But because I'm on Table 2, I get less of a cost of living
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  adjustment. So that means I make even less
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  money. So the divide between Table one
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  and Table 2 gets larger and larger and larger.
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  We're doing the same job, James. We're doing this kind of work.
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  Can I read the next one since that's about the cola before we
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  start going off on the cola getting?
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  Ahead of myself there. OK, And I'm the one drinking
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  Crown right now, so all right. The next one is article Article
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  9.1 Point E Cost of living adjustment retain same formula
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  and frequency. July 2024 retroactive.
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  January 2025 retroactive. July 2025 retroactive if
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  necessary. January 26th.
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  July 26th. January 27.
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  No, they did not rebase. The July 2024 cola will be paid
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  retroactively. This cola will be approximately
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  978 annually for table one. In step 15 of Table 2, the mount
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  will be applied proportionally to steps one through 14 in Table
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  2. The January 25 COLA will be paid
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  retroactively. The COLA will be approximately
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  416 annually. For Table one, step 15 of Table
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  2, the amount will be applied proportionally to steps one
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  through 14 and Table 2. The July 25 COLA will be paid
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  retroactively. As of April 1st, 2025, this COLA
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  stands at $312.00 annually. This number may fluctuate up or
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  down depending on the CPI movement before January 31st,
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  2025. With the November 24 general
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  wage increase, the July 24 and January 25 Colas, and the July
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  25 COLA so far, regular carriers in PTFS will receive an initial
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  salary increase of approximately 3.7% based on the timing of the
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  signing of this national agreement.
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  OK, now you can go off on the diet cola.
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  Well, I already went off on it a little bit, but you're, you're,
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  you said that 3.9% is for the top step, correct 3.9.
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  Percent it it says regular rural carriers and PTFS will re salary
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  increase of approximately 3.7%. It doesn't say table one or
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  Table 2. It just says regular rural
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  carriers and PTFS. Well, we're. 3.7 isn't that so?
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  1% plus the 1.3 and 1.4% right? Pretty much.
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  If I'm not mistaken, yeah. And the inflation went up 20%
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  and we only gained 4% with the last contract on the current
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  inflation. Yeah.
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  And then you give diet cola on top of that.
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  I mean, please put the numbers in there for the people at on
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  Table 2, Step 1. So we know that we're only
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  getting $500.00 of an increase annually.
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  That's the way you need to do it.
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  You need to put the highest number and the lowest number so
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  the craft knows exactly how much the lower tables, the lower
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  steps on Table 2 are getting screwed.
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  That's what you need to do. You need to show us exactly how
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  much each the top step and the lowest step and the ones in
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  between configure they're somewhere in between those two
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  numbers. But instead you only give the
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  top step. So it looks really good.
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  They'll go, go for it. Well, I I see where somebody
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  says. Does anybody know a retired
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  Table 2 step 15 carrier? And it's like, we'll hold it.
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  That was, it started in 2012. So they've got 12 1/2 maybe
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  years in and they wouldn't qualify for retirement anyway,
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  let alone at the paid pay rates that they incurred over those 13
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  years. So, you know, guess what, you're
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  screwed anyway. OK.
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  I mean, why isn't everybody getting the same freaking cola,
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  the same percentage across? I mean, how how hard is it to
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  figure that one out? OK, yeah, like, like you said,
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  James, it is diet cola because of the fact that you're like,
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  like Renfro, OK, you're highlighting, you know, specific
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  areas so that you don't look what they're doing with their
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  left hand. Oh, in the right hand, we have
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  this cola. It looks so good.
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  It looks so delicious. Yes.
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  Divided over 26 pay periods and everything else, and it's not
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  going to amount to Jack shit. The problem of this situation is
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  that most people are not that involved to the point where they
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  understand that Renfro turned around and Hook took his
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  contract, growing in his colas and everything and made it look
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  like an 18% pay increase. Problem was the monies they were
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  getting as back pay was included in that percentage.
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  So therefore, those one time payments that they were getting
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  were not actually increases in their base pay rate.
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  They were retroactive pay increases.
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  A1 time deal, go out and have a good time on that and you know,
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  go out and buy a Harley or something and then three months
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  down the line, say hold it, I got 18%.
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  Where's the rest of my paycheck to pay for my new motorcycle?
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  Well, that's because you weren't paying attention.
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  This is the sleight of hand stuff that these people pull.
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  And I swear to God they have the same same playbook as the NLAC
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  and Renfro because it looks exactly the same.
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  It really does. And and God, I can't wait till I
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  can't wait till August. I really can't.
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  You know, Orlando is going to get lit up.
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  Mid states. Oh my God.
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  Oh, he's I might, I might have to come out for mid states just
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  to see games because I'm going to put a dog collar on him.
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  Jesus, God, he's going to be rabid.
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  Ruby and I and Little Man will be there.
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  It's atrocious. OK.
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  So can we move on to the next one?
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  Yes, please go on to the RCA part.
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  Article 9.1 Point H, RCA and ARC Compensation All Rcas receive 1%
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  increase in each year in lieu of a cost of living adjustment
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  effective with general wage increases above retroactive.
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  Table 4. Rcas received salary increase of
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  $0.55 per hour effective no later than the first full pay
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  period 180 days after contract ratification.
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  Table 4. Rcas received salary increase of
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  $1.00 per hour upon completion of three years of service,
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  effective no later than the first full pay period 180 days
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  after contract ratification. These adjustments reflect wage
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  increases of 7.1 to 14.8%, depending on classification over
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  the life of the national agreement.
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  So the projected pay increases for the life of 20242027
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  National Agreement hourly rate of pay.
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  Table 3. Schedule One.
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  This is RCA's hired between August 25th, 1991 and August
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  10th of 2012. You're currently at 2562.
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  You'll go to 2620 effective 11/17/24.
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  Eleven 1525 would be 2681 and 1114 of 26 would be 2745.
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  Table 3. Schedule 2 RC as on the rolls
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  prior to August 24th, 1990. One 2995 is current will go to
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  3135 and 32 O 7 and then 3282. Wait, we'd like to make that as
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  all right. Table 4, Table 4.
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  RCAS and Arcs hired on or after August 11th, 2012.
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  Current is 2038 an hour, it'll go to 2139.
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  Effective of 111624111525 will be 2188 and on 11/14 of 26 would
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  be 2239. Now Table 4.
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  Rcas with three years of service or more are currently at 2038.
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  You'll go to 22392288 and 2339. Increase reflects general wage
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  increase applicable to all. An additional 1% increases for
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  Rcas and ART. I'm not against it.
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  It could have been more yes, as we'll all agree on that for the
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  RC, as I do, however, like the fact after three years of
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  service, they do get a bump in pay.
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  As an, you know, as someone who was in RCA for nearly nine
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  years, yeah, it hurt to be making the same amount as the
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  new guy walking in the door that day.
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  So I, I is it perfect? No.
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  Is it a step in the right direction?
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  Yes. No, no go.
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  You were bugging out, James. No, it.
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  Go ahead, though. I think we lost James for a
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  moment. OK, well, no, it's not a step in
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  the right direction, you know, it might be like a stumble.
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  Not a step though. This is the problem.
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  Even when you pay people a good living wage, if they work in a
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  toxic atmosphere they'll walk away.
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  Trust me, I've done it. Back in the 80s, I, I, I was
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  offered $65,000 a year to stay at my position and I wouldn't
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  why? Well, you know, I didn't think
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  it was right that the vice president of the company was
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  sending cocaine down in the payroll packet with, in FedEx to
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  the plant manager. It just rubbed me the wrong way.
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  Call, call me holier than now, but you know, that was my
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  reason. I don't want to work for a
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  company like that. But the fact of the matter is
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  that, you know, even if you think that this is a, a good
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  step in the direction, it's not a living wage.
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  And if you're out in the Midwest where you have to main APOV and
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  we've got, you know, incentives for the, the POV's and all now
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  you're still not making a living wage.
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  What he said something about, oh, you know, a bill, you know,
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  you got to go back and say, you know, it's, you know, if you
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  went back to 2012 when Table 2 started, well in 2012 when it
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  started, it means you have 13 years in towards retirement.
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  And if you're of not of retirement age, of qualifying
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  age and you still have to keep going.
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  So you know, no, this is not address the situation whatsoever
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  because Table 2 so far behind Table 1 and now you know, you've
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  got the Rcas and the RXC. I'm not too concerned about the
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  arts as their part time. You know, people for Sundays and
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  holidays supposedly, but the Rcas themselves, which are the
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  backbone of the rural carriers because they give us breaks off
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  of our routes, they're still suffering.
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  I mean, you know, how many places can you go?
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  You go look up right now, go on your phone and look up local
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  jobs near me and you'll find jobs right off the bat that
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  don't require you to use your vehicle and are paying over
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  $22.00 an hour and some with benefits that you're not getting
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  as an RCA. Oh, you know, they give you, you
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  know, an allowance towards your medical.
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  Oh boy, isn't that nice. Mommy and daddy are giving me an
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  allowance of my piss poor pay, thank you very much.
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  You're so generous. You're so kind and under
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  understanding. Since you haven't carried the
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  route since 2008, you really can empathize with what the craft is
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  going. I'm Madson and whoever's
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  listening for him. Kiss my ass, James.
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  You got me still. Yep, we got Chanel.
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  Yep, got me here. Yep.
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  OK, sorry, go going through the hills here in Nebraska.
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  So but for me it's it's a it's a good push towards something that
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  could be beneficial to RCA. But like Bill said, it's not
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  enough. The RCA that we have today are
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  dealing with a lot more. The part time job is not the
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  lucrative position people want anymore because they need
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  stability, they need money, they need hours.
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  And even with these increases, you're still screwing over some
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  RCA's. And the RCA's you're screwing
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  over are the ones that have more than six years as an RCA because
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  after the first three years, there's nothing left for them to
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  gain other than the standard increases.
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  Now, if it was a dollar raise every three years, I could see a
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  little bit more benefit out of it.
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  But because it's only one raise after three years, which for a
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  lot of Rcas would be beneficial, I do know of an RCA that will
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  end up leaving the Postal Service to retire as an RCA
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  because their route that they're on is an aux route.
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  It's the only one in an office, and they will retire as an RCA
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  because there's no room for growth in their area.
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  They're not getting any benefit out of it.
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  We need to do better for this craft with our Rcas for pay and
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  for our regular carriers. But our Rcas are the backbone
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  that allow regular carriers to have their K routes and have
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  their K days or their J days, allow them to take annual leave,
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  allow them to be sick and use their sick leave.
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  The benefits we get with our national agreement with no RC as
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  we can't use our leave and we'll get into leave a little bit
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  later on this as well. But you're still hurting the
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  craft because people are not going to want to hire in at
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  $22.00 an hour. You have to provide a ten
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  $15,000 vehicle plus parts, maintenance and all that stuff.
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  And you could say, Oh yeah, EMA covers that.
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  Well, I'm sorry, EMA covers a bit, but there's a lot it cannot
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  cover, especially if you blow an engine or you break your your
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  transmission or your axle falls off.
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  Especially on some of these really rural routes that I've
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  seen out here in Nebraska, the roads I've been down, dirt roads
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  that I've been down, our RC as are vital to the rural craft and
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  we need to treat them like they are that vital part of our
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  craft. OK, off my soapbox, next part.
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  All right. Next Article 9.1 Point D
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  granting step increases, the step progression for career
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  rural carriers on Table 2 is reduced from 52 weeks to 50
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  weeks for each step. OK.
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  So you take half a month off? So instead of waiting until
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  November 18th, I'll get it November 4th, all right?
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  Yeah. You know, I, you know, I, I
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  can't, I, I don't have a positive or negative towards
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  this. I, I OK, so two weeks less for
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  the next step increase, OK. How many steps are there 1515?
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  15. OK, so you didn't reduce the
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  number of steps, just the number of you get to your next step?
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  Yes. Yep, which is a which is a total
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  of 30 week, correct? Yes.
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  Yep. OK, which is less?
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  Than half a year. Yep.
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  Well, just over half. A year. 26, Yeah, yeah.
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  So you're saving, you know, a little more than half a year out
• 25:07
  of year 15 steps. How many on Table 1?
• 25:10
  12 1/2 I think. 1/12/12 So that's still a difference of
• 25:14
  what, 3 to 2 1/2 years? 333 years.
• 25:18
  Probably 2 1/2. Years.
• 25:19
  Yep. There's still, you know, you're
• 25:21
  still 2 1/2 years behind. Yeah, OK.
• 25:23
  All right, here's you guys. Ready for the next one.
• 25:28
  You got anything to say about that one, James?
• 25:31
  No, I, I mean, there's not really much to say about it.
• 25:33
  No there, there really isn't the next one I've already seen lots
• 25:38
  of questions on raised eyebrows. Article 9.2 Point C .10 Service
• 25:48
  changes New language eliminates the 60 minute threshold for
• 25:53
  route adjustments on routes with growth or reduction in boxes
• 25:58
  delivered in other route elements.
• 26:01
  That 60 minute threshold was the bank time we had in the past.
• 26:04
  Changes in evaluation will occur as boxes are added or subtracted
• 26:08
  from the route, and any salary increases or decreases will be
• 26:13
  processed immediately. New boxes will be added as they
• 26:16
  begin delivery. Boxes shall be removed only
• 26:19
  after 90 days vacancy. The formula uses the volume
• 26:23
  factor for the route box, service times, drive times, and
• 26:28
  specific allowances for collection boxes, unit time,
• 26:32
  dismounts, etcetera to calculate the increase or decrease in
• 26:37
  evaluation. This earned term adjustment is
• 26:41
  temporary until the next periodic RX evaluation.
• 26:45
  It's not going to change weekly people.
• 26:47
  This would be with edit book submissions.
• 26:50
  If you got enough make a change in either direction, it's going
• 26:55
  to, it's going to whether that change is going to affect your
• 26:58
  standard hours, whether or not you lose enough to go down or
• 27:04
  you're gaining enough to go up to the next one.
• 27:08
  You'll get that when that happens, when you submit your
• 27:12
  edit book on a monthly thing once that's processed.
• 27:15
  So if you have one of those routes that's up and down, up
• 27:18
  and down, up and down all the time because you got people in
• 27:20
  and out or whatever, that may be an issue.
• 27:24
  But basically it's eliminating what used to be the old bank.
• 27:28
  So if you have a route that has growth, so, you know, mini mail
• 27:32
  survey, you come back at a 42 Ki don't even have the standard
• 27:37
  hours in front of me. But let's say you're just a few
• 27:40
  minutes away from going to a 43 and you activate enough boxes it
• 27:46
  it'll bump you up after you after that month that you do
• 27:50
  your edit book submission and your mapping and whatnot.
• 27:53
  The same as if you have a bunch of people that vacate or you
• 27:57
  lose boxes and you're close enough to lose down to that next
• 28:00
  standard hour. Then that's what's going to
• 28:03
  happen after obviously edit book changes, mapping, whatever.
• 28:08
  It's not going to be something that's going to affect you
• 28:11
  paycheck to paycheck. It's if it's enough of the
• 28:13
  information to change if it changes your standard hours up
• 28:17
  to and it's only temporary until the next mini mail survey time
• 28:21
  when we get those evaluations that I think this is one of
• 28:24
  them. I definitely want to read the
• 28:27
  hard copy when that comes out with a little bit more
• 28:29
  information as well as information at a ratification
• 28:33
  meeting, guys. Yeah, I was, I was looking at
• 28:35
  this. I was looking at this and I
• 28:37
  definitely, definitely need the language on that because it's
• 28:40
  one of those that it's very close on a lot of things.
• 28:44
  And the question you have to ask yourself is, is this basing it
• 28:49
  on our dispute times too? Like if we dispute something and
• 28:52
  get that change in our base evaluation, when they go and do
• 28:58
  these interim adjustments, does it go on that the original mini
• 29:02
  meal survey amount or does it go on the dispute amount that we
• 29:04
  got awarded? Does it does it translate into
• 29:07
  that? And also you're talking like on
• 29:09
  mine, because I've seen it with the mapping, with the LTM.
• 29:13
  When I do my mapping, when I add or remove a box, I get 3 minutes
• 29:17
  one way or the other. So if I lose 3 minutes and it
• 29:22
  takes me down to the next hour, you know, I'm working for free
• 29:25
  30 minutes by the basis of the standard hours.
• 29:29
  But you know, so I really want to see the language on this, but
• 29:33
  I think it's actually a good thing because the bank time,
• 29:37
  holding that time, stuff like that, we're literally seeing the
• 29:41
  time every month when we do the mapping.
• 29:44
  So if we should be paid the time that we see on the mapping, not
• 29:47
  waiting on bank and. Like, you know, several people
• 29:50
  posted in the comments was, you know, how's this affect the the
• 29:53
  routes that are supposedly frozen for a year because, you
• 29:57
  know, like you said, you need more, you need more information
• 30:00
  to see how that pertains to those instances or the people
• 30:04
  frozen for over a year. And from my understanding in
• 30:08
  that MOU that the interim adjustments would still be
• 30:14
  probable for them or happen if, if needed.
• 30:19
  So again, the clarification with that and with the MOU on those
• 30:23
  routes that are frozen. So are we ready for the next
• 30:27
  one? This is a brand new one.
• 30:28
  Go for it. Article 10.2 Point This is new
• 30:35
  annual leave exchange options. Career employees will be allowed
• 30:39
  to sell back a maximum of 40 hours of annual leave prior to
• 30:46
  the beginning of the leave year, provided the following two
• 30:50
  criteria are met. One, the employee is at the
• 30:54
  maximum leave carryover ceiling at the start of the leave year,
• 30:59
  and two, the employee must have used fewer than 72 sick leave
• 31:05
  hours in the leave year immediately preceding the year
• 31:10
  for which the leave is being exchanged.
• 31:13
  So basically if you're one of those that has you don't use any
• 31:17
  sick leave and you can't get to use any of your annual leave and
• 31:22
  you have the maximum leave carryover at the start of the
• 31:26
  leave year already banked, you can cash out 40 hours.
• 31:29
  So you cash out one week of leave.
• 31:32
  I can see management using this to abuse.
• 31:36
  I can see management turning around and saying, oh, I can't
• 31:39
  approve your leave, just buy back that last week.
• 31:41
  I don't know about you guys, but anything that opens up for abuse
• 31:45
  by management like this right here where they could actually
• 31:50
  cause you to have a week of leave left, I'll just buy it
• 31:53
  back. You can have the cash.
• 31:55
  But you it it, you can't do that if you have a week, if you have
• 31:58
  40 hours left, you have to meet the two criteria.
• 32:01
  In order to do that, you have to have the maximum leave carryover
• 32:06
  ceiling at the start of the leave year, and you must have
• 32:11
  used fewer than 72 sick leave hours in the leave year in
• 32:15
  which. Again, what about if they're at
• 32:19
  the maximum carryover the year prior?
• 32:22
  Management doesn't give them any leave.
• 32:24
  You know, yes, you can grieve that and so on and so forth, but
• 32:27
  they're saying 40 hours is the most they'll pay out in the
• 32:30
  contract on this. I need to see the language on
• 32:33
  this a little bit better and the new the tentative agreement.
• 32:36
  Personally I just I don't like it.
• 32:38
  It gives me the heebie jeebies on on what management could do
• 32:41
  with that. Exactly.
• 32:42
  Yeah. And and if you know, here's the
• 32:44
  problem to me is that OK, this this is an incentive for, you
• 32:49
  know, carriers, not the the lose leave at the end of the year.
• 32:52
  OK, but it's only 5 days. I mean, you're allowed up to 55
• 32:58
  days currently, right? Unless they bump it up to the 65
• 33:01
  like they have. So you're only taking five days
• 33:05
  off. But if you use three days, 72
• 33:09
  hours of sick leave in the prior year, well, I'm sorry, what
• 33:14
  does, what does that have to do with my damn annual leave and
• 33:18
  being, you know, in an office without enough Subs, without
• 33:21
  enough, you know, coverage so I can take my duly earned time
• 33:25
  off. You know, I took 3-3 days off
• 33:28
  because I had to go to the, you know, doctors or I had to take a
• 33:31
  child to the doctors or, or a parent even to the doctors in
• 33:35
  the prior year. Come on, you know, you turned
• 33:39
  around and and you, you put a carrot out there for us.
• 33:42
  OK, That's what it is. It's a carrot.
• 33:45
  And, and I'm not saying it's, you know, not a worthwhile
• 33:47
  carrot, but you put a carrot out there and then you put
• 33:51
  conditions on it. Well, what the hell for?
• 33:53
  Aren't we working enough already that you just can't let us cash
• 33:56
  that out if we want? All right, you ready for the
• 34:00
  next one? Sure.
• 34:01
  Article 12.2 Point A .2 Seniority lists new language
• 34:08
  clarifies that seniority lists and any updates must be provided
• 34:13
  to the NRLCA district representative for the office.
• 34:17
  So management has to submit the seniority lists and any time it
• 34:21
  updates to the Dr. OK, it just clarifies that they have to do
• 34:25
  that so I'm going to move on. Article 12.3 Rural Carrier
• 34:30
  Posting Paragraph B changed to reflect 7 calendar days for a
• 34:38
  local posting instead of the current 10 calendar days.
• 34:42
  Paragraph D changed to reflect 10 calendar days for a district
• 34:47
  posting instead of the current 15 calendar days.
• 34:51
  It's just speeds up the process. Yeah, that's all it does.
• 34:55
  I'm not. This doesn't bother me one bit,
• 34:57
  whether it was 7 days or 10 days.
• 35:00
  So Yep, all right, Article 24.2 leave for union conventions add
• 35:09
  specific language to include area conferences for approval of
• 35:13
  leave. My assumption on this is
• 35:17
  carriers were getting fight back from management to say that area
• 35:22
  it wasn't area conferences aren't conventions.
• 35:25
  So. So we're just clarifying that
• 35:27
  language, No big deal. Oh, my God, that, that.
• 35:32
  Thank you, Thank you. Don't talk.
• 35:34
  That. That was a huge win.
• 35:37
  Yes, that was a huge win. My God.
• 35:40
  Ready, James? Yep, go ahead.
• 35:43
  All right, Article 30.2 point 8.3 changed to reflect 7
• 35:49
  calendar days for a local posting of a new part time
• 35:52
  flexible position instead of the current 10 calendar days.
• 35:56
  Paragraph E changed to reflect 10 calendar days for a district
• 36:00
  posting of a new PTF position instead of the current 15
• 36:05
  calendar days. OK, self-explanatory.
• 36:08
  And the purpose of that, the purpose of that.
• 36:10
  Speed up the process. Of the other ones.
• 36:13
  Yeah. All right.
• 36:15
  You, you, you, you say speed up, I hear whittle down.
• 36:19
  That too. OK.
• 36:22
  All right. Article 30.2 Point B
• 36:26
  Probationary period The probationary period for rule
• 36:30
  carry associate shall be 90 days actually worked or 180 calendar
• 36:38
  days, whichever comes first. The probationary period for an
• 36:42
  assistant rule carrier shall be 90 days actually worked or one
• 36:47
  calendar year, whichever comes first.
• 36:49
  So for Rcas, your probationary period, if you don't meet the 90
• 36:54
  days actually worked, will then be shortened to six months
• 36:57
  instead of one year. Arcs are going to do 1.
• 37:02
  I think that's a good one because that feeds right into
• 37:06
  the next one. You guys ready?
• 37:07
  Do you have anything about a probationary period?
• 37:10
  OK, I'm good. I don't think that's a bad one.
• 37:12
  Article 30.2 point 8.3 language change to reflect that non
• 37:20
  probationary Rcas as redefined and 30.2 point B shall be
• 37:29
  considered for office or district postings of PTF
• 37:34
  position. I like it but I want more
• 37:36
  clarification on it. What was that, James?
• 37:45
  You're robotting. So I am going to go to Bill,
• 37:47
  Real Bill. Well, I think that it's a good
• 37:55
  that if it's what we think it is, which is allowing
• 37:58
  probationaries or just off probationary.
• 38:04
  Like I said, this is one that I would more and have some clerk
• 38:07
  say yeah, you'll be able to bid on APTF once you're out of
• 38:10
  probation. I can't say that limited again,
• 38:13
  this is just a highlight. You have anything to add Bill?
• 38:16
  OK. MOMOU 3 bereavement leave
• 38:21
  language revised to include grandchild in the deaf.
• 38:25
  It's said that we have to OK and the last one MOU 8 right hand
• 38:32
  Dr. Incentives for utilizing a right hand drive vehicle on an
• 38:37
  EMA route are increased as follows.
• 38:41
  Incentive for purchase of new right hand drive vehicle
• 38:44
  increased from 1500 to $3000. Incentive for converting a
• 38:49
  vehicle to right hand Dr. increased from 500 to 1500
• 38:54
  dollars. An incentive to purchase of used
• 38:58
  right hand drive increase from 500 to 5th.
• 39:01
  Incentives represent a 100% increase for new right hand
• 39:05
  drive vehicles and a 200% increase for conversions and
• 39:09
  used right hand drive vehicle. Again, you still have to follow
• 39:13
  the provisions under yeah uses meaningless 3 or that is the
• 39:17
  highlight. What was that?
• 39:19
  I think we lost and I can't hear Bill.
• 39:20
  I can see you talking, but I can.
• 39:23
  He's not muted, It's an. No, I'm not muted.
• 39:26
  There he is. There we go.
• 39:28
  So yeah, these are just highlights of the tentative
• 39:31
  agreement. Like I said, when the hard copy
• 39:33
  comes out and you get it in your mailbox, please read it.
• 39:38
  If you can attend a ratification meeting because you have
• 39:42
  questions, please try to attend. No, I, I don't want to just stay
• 39:46
  on your back and tell you it's raining outside, Kristen.
• 39:49
  But when you attend those meetings, you can vent, You can,
• 39:53
  you can disagree, you can argue, you can get into a fist fight.
• 39:57
  It doesn't change the outcome of the tentative agreement that has
• 40:02
  to be voted on. No it doesn't.
• 40:04
  Change, but it at least it doesn't questions.
• 40:07
  Well, yeah, to. Help you decide.
• 40:09
  I I think that like you said on several of these that we need to
• 40:13
  see the complete language on there and not just the
• 40:16
  highlights. I agree.
• 40:19
  I'll, I'll still go back to my original summation that, you
• 40:23
  know, Don is a weasel and a spineless piece of shit doing
• 40:27
  this on the way out of Western states.
• 40:30
  And the fact that, you know, this is a mirror image of the
• 40:34
  the contract with the NLAC. The difference is that actually
• 40:39
  their new hires got a better step up than ours in regards to
• 40:45
  jumping over the AA and the A&B steps in their program.
• 40:50
  So, you know, they, they jumped up basically three steps out of
• 40:53
  their table. And we're, we're not doing that
• 40:57
  at all. And it's just, it's a, it's a
• 41:00
  crying shame. Just I Oh yeah.
• 41:04
  He said it was coming out, about to come out basically at Western
• 41:07
  States. Yeah, as soon as he got out of
• 41:09
  the damn conference, as soon as he got on the airplane, he
• 41:14
  called Alexandria and says, OK, put it up on the website now
• 41:18
  safe. But we still have mid stage.
• 41:20
  Oh God, I will be lively. I it'll be interesting to see
• 41:26
  how it goes. That's all I got to say and I
• 41:29
  will be there. I don't do part time flexible
• 41:31
  position instead of the current 10 calendar days.
• 41:35
  Paragraph E changed to reflect 10 calendar days for a district
• 41:39
  posting of a new PTF position instead of the current 15
• 41:43
  calendar days. OK, self-explanatory.
• 41:46
  And the purpose of that, the purpose of that.
• 41:49
  Speed up the process. Of the other ones.
• 41:52
  Yeah. All right.
• 41:53
  You, you, you, you say speed up, I hear whittle down.
• 41:58
  That too. OK.
• 42:01
  Alright, Article 30.2 Point B Probationary period The
• 42:07
  probationary period for rule carry associate shall be 90 days
• 42:12
  actually worked or 180 calendar days, whichever comes first.
• 42:19
  The probationary period for an assistant rule carrier shall be
• 42:23
  90 days actually worked or one calendar year, whichever comes
• 42:27
  first. So for Rcas, your probationary
• 42:30
  period, if you don't meet the 90 days actually worked, will then
• 42:34
  be shortened to six months instead of one year.
• 42:39
  Arcs are going to do 1. I think that's a good one 'cause
• 42:42
  that feeds right into the next one.
• 42:45
  You guys ready? Do you have anything about a
• 42:47
  probationary period? OK, I'm good.
• 42:49
  I don't think that's a bad one. Article 30.2 point 8.3 language
• 42:56
  change to reflect that non probationary Rcas as redefined
• 43:03
  and 30.2 point B shall be considered for office or
• 43:09
  district postings of PTF position.
• 43:13
  I like it, but I want more clarification.
• 43:16
  On it. What was that, James?
• 43:23
  You're robotting, so I'm going to go to Bill Real.
• 43:28
  Quick, Bill, Well, I think that it's a good that if it's what we
• 43:35
  think it is, which is allowing probationaries or just off
• 43:39
  probationary. Like I said this is one that I
• 43:44
  would more and have some Clair say yeah you'll be able to bid
• 43:47
  on APTF once you're out of probation.
• 43:50
  I can't say that limited again, this is just a highlight.
• 43:53
  You have anything to add Bill? OK MOMOU 3 bereavement leave
• 44:00
  language revised to include grandchild in the It's said that
• 44:04
  we have to OK and the last one MOU 8 right hand Dr. Incentives
• 44:12
  for utilizing a right hand drive vehicle on an EMA route are
• 44:17
  increased as follows. Incentive for purchase of new
• 44:21
  right hand drive vehicle increased from 1500 to $3000.
• 44:27
  Incentive for converting a vehicle to right hand Dr.
• 44:30
  increased from 500 to 1500 dollars.
• 44:34
  An incentive to purchase of used right hand drive increase from
• 44:38
  500 to 5th. Incentives represent a 100%
• 44:42
  increase for new right hand drive vehicles and a 200%
• 44:46
  increase for conversions and used right hand drive vehicle.
• 44:49
  Again, you still have to follow the provisions under yeah uses
• 44:53
  meaningless 3 or that is the highlight.
• 44:56
  What was that? I think we lost and I can't hear
• 44:59
  Bill. I can see you talking, but I
• 45:01
  can. He's not muted, It's an.
• 45:04
  No, I'm not muted. There he is.
• 45:06
  There we go. So yeah, these are just
• 45:08
  highlights of the tentative agreement.
• 45:10
  Like I said, when the hard copy comes out and you get it in your
• 45:13
  mailbox, please read it. If you can attend a ratification
• 45:18
  meeting because you have questions, please try to attend.
• 45:23
  No, I, I don't want to just stay on your back and tell you it's
• 45:26
  raining outside, Kristen. But when you attend those
• 45:30
  meetings, you can vent, You can, you can disagree, you can argue,
• 45:34
  you can get into a fist fight. It doesn't change the outcome of
• 45:39
  the tentative agreement that has to be voted on.
• 45:41
  No it doesn't. Change, but it at least it
• 45:44
  doesn't questions. Well, yeah.
• 45:47
  To help you decide. I I think that like you said on
• 45:50
  several of these that we need to see the complete language on
• 45:53
  there and not just the highlights.
• 45:55
  I agree. I'll I'll still go back to my
• 45:59
  original summation that, you know, Don is a weasel and a
• 46:03
  spineless piece of shit doing this on the way out of western
• 46:08
  states. And the fact that, you know,
• 46:10
  this is a mirror image of the the contract with the NLAC.
• 46:15
  Difference is that actually their new hires got a better
• 46:20
  step up than ours in regards to jumping over the AA and the A&B
• 46:27
  steps in their program. So, you know, they, they jumped
• 46:30
  up basically three steps out of their table.
• 46:34
  And we're, we're not doing that at all.
• 46:36
  And it's just, it's a, it's a crying shame.
• 46:39
  Just I. Oh yeah.
• 46:43
  He said it was coming out, about to come out basically at Western
• 46:46
  States. Yeah, as soon as he got out of
• 46:47
  the damn conference, as soon as he got on the airplane, he
• 46:52
  called Alexandria and says, OK, put it up on the website now
• 46:56
  safe. But we still have mid state.
• 46:59
  Oh God, I will be lively. I it'll be interesting to see
• 47:05
  how it goes. That's all I got to say.
• 47:07
  I will be there. I know.
• 47:08
  I'm just surprised like, like, like James said was, you know,
• 47:12
  there was only about 80 participants at, at the Western
• 47:15
  states. I'm baffled by that.
• 47:19
  I mean, you, you've got close to, you know what, 22,000
• 47:22
  carriers out there from Western states at least and 80 people
• 47:27
  showed up And how many, how many of them were NSS or state
• 47:33
  officers? Yeah, the mid state crowd, we'll
• 47:36
  see how that goes. So I'm sorry about cutting out.
• 47:40
  I mean, I lost signal for there for a minute.
• 47:42
  Yeah, I know. You hear me now?
• 47:43
  Yep, we wrapped it up. So I mean, if you got anything
• 47:48
  else to add on those last couple things, which was bereavement in
• 47:53
  the right hand drive vehicle. I, I, you know, like I said,
• 47:56
  it's kind of sad that you actually have to add the
• 47:58
  language in of a grandchild. Yeah, yeah, I, I think that like
• 48:02
  you said on several of these that we need to see the complete
• 48:05
  language on there and not just the highlights.
• 48:08
  I agree. I'll, I'll still go back to my
• 48:12
  original summation that, you know, Ron is a weasel and a
• 48:16
  spineless piece of shit doing this on the way out of Western
• 48:21
  states. And the fact that, you know,
• 48:23
  this is a mirror image of the contract with the NLAC.
• 48:28
  The difference is that actually their new hires got a better
• 48:33
  step up than ours in regards to jumping over the AA and the A&B
• 48:40
  steps in their program. So yeah, they, they jumped up
• 48:43
  basically three steps out of their table.
• 48:47
  And we're, we're not doing that at all.
• 48:49
  And it's just, it's a, it's a crying shame.
• 48:52
  Just I. Oh yeah.
• 48:55
  He said it was coming out, about to come out basically at Western
• 48:58
  States. Yeah, as soon as he got out of
• 49:00
  the damn conference, as soon as he got on the airplane, he
• 49:05
  called Alexandria and says, OK, put it up on the website now
• 49:09
  safe. But we still have mid state.
• 49:11
  Oh God, I will be lively. I it'll be interesting to see
• 49:17
  how it goes. That's all I got to say.
• 49:20
  I will be there. I know.
• 49:21
  I'm just surprised like, like James said was, you know, there
• 49:24
  was only about 80 participants at, at the Western states.
• 49:30
  I'm baffled by that. I mean, you, you've got close
• 49:33
  to, you know what, 22,000 carriers out there from Western
• 49:37
  states at least and 80 people showed up and how many, how many
• 49:43
  of them were NSS or state officers?
• 49:47
  Yeah, the mid state crowd, we'll see how that goes.
• 49:52
  So I'm sorry about cutting out. I mean, I lost signal for there
• 49:54
  for a minute. Yeah, I know.
• 49:55
  You hear me now? Yep, we wrapped it up.
• 49:57
  So I mean, if you got anything else to add on those last couple
• 50:02
  things, which was bereavement in the right hand drive vehicle.
• 50:07
  I, I, you know, like I said, it's kind of sad that you have
• 50:10
  to add the language in of a grandchild.
• 50:12
  Yeah, yeah. Yep, and I think the one the one
• 50:16
  thing that irritates me the most if.
• 50:18
  That happened to my grandchild. I wouldn't be there anyway
• 50:20
  because I'd be in jail for manslaughter somewhere along the
• 50:23
  line. Not that I believe in violence.
• 50:28
  5550. Yeah, sing that.
• 50:33
  I think you're going to change the most barfest.
• 50:35
  No, you got me. We lost James for good.
• 50:38
  Do you have me? No, we've got James back.
• 50:41
  Bill. Bill.
• 50:41
  Is he in? Yeah, he's in.
• 50:43
  I can hear him. I can hear Bill.
• 50:45
  He can hear you. That sounds.
• 50:48
  Selective hearing, huh? I think that I I think the thing
• 50:54
  that irritates you the most about this is he he, Yeah.
• 50:57
  Bill ain't going to hear me talking.
• 50:58
  So. Same way I drifted off of there
• 51:00
  and nothing changed. So that's.
• 51:03
  Yeah, Bill can't hear James talk, so I think we should
• 51:06
  probably wrap it up. What do you say guys?
• 51:08
  Wrap it up. Go.
• 51:10
  Ahead. All right.
• 51:11
  So again, I am letting you guys know this is a tentative
• 51:16
  agreement. There is still the hard copy to
• 51:19
  come out. Please read that there's still
• 51:22
  going to be ratification meetings.
• 51:24
  If you can attend, please do. This is where you're going to
• 51:29
  get a little bit more information than just the
• 51:33
  highlighted points that was put out today.
• 51:36
  This is just the starting point of changes getting the tentative
• 51:40
  agreement in the mail. Do not throw it away.
• 51:42
  Read it through, you know I'm not going to make a decision on
• 51:47
  which way I'm going to vote until after ratification meeting
• 51:51
  and I have a hard copy in my hand so you know I.
• 51:56
  I can tell you. Go ahead, Bill.
• 51:58
  I can tell you I'm not. I'm not voting for it.
• 52:00
  Well, no, you won't even get a ballot for it.
• 52:02
  Shut up. OK, That's beside the.
• 52:04
  Point and for those that do not know, retirees do not vote on
• 52:09
  contracts on tentative agreement.
• 52:12
  So on that note, James, you got anything to add or are you good
• 52:16
  for this evening? Well, I think the biggest thing
• 52:18
  that we have to look at on this is what is it benefiting the
• 52:22
  craft It's. Jarv, that is true.
• 52:25
  L James is talking. OK, I'll be the middle woman
• 52:30
  here. You know, we were, we were
• 52:35
  promised multiple things throughout this contract
• 52:38
  negotiation and the biggest thing that gets me the most is
• 52:41
  1. He told us we were this close to
• 52:44
  a contract ratification and it'd be within a few days, not just
• 52:49
  24 hours after he says that. I mean, granted, that's within a
• 52:53
  few days, but he also promised that RCA should get more than
• 52:59
  50% that the CCA's got when the city arbitration got through or
• 53:04
  the negotiations got through in arbitration, but we get $0.05
• 53:09
  more. I guess that's what he thinks
• 53:11
  RCA's are worth is $0.05 more on on the initial drop.
• 53:16
  Well, we'll see how it turns out because I want to read the whole
• 53:20
  thing. I want to go through and see if
• 53:21
  there is anything that's not in the highlights that's been
• 53:24
  changed as well. So go ahead, Matt.
• 53:27
  You know it's up to us as carriers to step up and make the
• 53:31
  choice that best benefits the craft in the whole long run.
• 53:35
  You got to think past this contract, what's the next one
• 53:38
  going to look like? Because we're coming up on that
• 53:40
  one fast. So you don't just think about
• 53:43
  now think about our future, because at the end of the day,
• 53:48
  we're all in this together. Bill.
• 53:51
  Final comment. Well, this TA is basically along
• 53:54
  the lines that we expected it to for the raises where there are
• 53:59
  some minute gains and and I do use that frivolously in regards
• 54:05
  to the pay and the probationary period, the right hand drive
• 54:11
  vehicle incentive it there's not enough there to be encouraging.
• 54:18
  You know, like you said, the retirees can't vote on the
• 54:20
  contract, but yet retirees go to the National Convention, they
• 54:25
  vote for somebody who's going to sit there and say, oh, you know,
• 54:28
  make sure you get the Colas and this and that.
• 54:30
  You know, that's the only thing that can can possibly affect
• 54:33
  them. But you know that that's the
• 54:36
  only thing. I I mean, what's the point of
• 54:39
  having retirees there that have been, you know, hey, in in my,
• 54:44
  my state alone, I've, I've got four or five of them.
• 54:47
  I've been delivered routes in almost 15 years.
• 54:51
  We just had a secretary, treasurer retire, hadn't
• 54:54
  delivered his route in in almost 20 years.
• 54:56
  So you know what, what do we need you there for?
• 55:00
  OK. And you know a lot of people,
• 55:02
  you know, like Joey Johnson, I'm on the fence with him in regards
• 55:06
  to a lot of things. Yes, he has the wealth of
• 55:08
  knowledge and everything. But if you're going to sit there
• 55:11
  and say I'd give up my nomination, you know, my by seat
• 55:15
  on the National Convention to somebody who else wanted to go,
• 55:18
  well, you know, we had 30 plus people behind them that would
• 55:22
  have went. And you know, you're you're
• 55:25
  taking a voice away from an active carrier who has, you
• 55:29
  know, some part of this fight for their their better interest.
• 55:35
  You know, to to him it there is no fight.
• 55:38
  He doesn't have a dog in this fight.
• 55:40
  So you know, as as as a recent retiree, am I going to be here
• 55:46
  1010 years from now going to the national conventions?
• 55:49
  Hell no. In five years, hell no.
• 55:52
  You know, it's going to be on you people that to step forward
• 55:56
  and step out. Like I, I sent out a local
• 55:59
  meeting notice for our chapter. There are two other chapters
• 56:03
  looking to join us because they can't get enough people to
• 56:08
  attend 4 local meetings a year. And and that's just disgraceful.
• 56:13
  It really is. And then the people sit there
• 56:15
  and say, well, they don't do anything for us.
• 56:18
  Nobody's going to do anything for you until you do something
• 56:20
  for yourself and step up, you know, step up, speak out, become
• 56:24
  a leader. Just don't be a sheep all your
• 56:26
  life. You know, all bills being mean
• 56:29
  now, you know the language I put in my letter about, you know,
• 56:33
  the craft being disillusioned. The state secretary says, well,
• 56:37
  you can't put that in there Bill, because you'll offend some
• 56:39
  people. I intend to offend people
• 56:42
  because maybe then you'll get angry enough to get up off your
• 56:46
  asses and participate in your career and not leave it in the
• 56:51
  hands of a bunch of professional politicians who don't want to
• 56:55
  carry their routes. Any.
• 56:56
  So if you don't step up, if you don't speak up, then in the
• 56:59
  words of mortal Bill may shut the hell up.
• 57:02
  Everybody you know, you got tomorrow to work.
• 57:04
  I hope everybody's going to have a a happy Easter.
• 57:07
  Enjoy it with your families safe tomorrow, be courteous, be
• 57:11
  professional, make sure yourself get yourself home because you
• 57:14
  are the most important delivery of the day.
• 57:15
  All right. Thank you guys.
• 57:17
  And I'm going to touch out of what?
• 57:18
  Bill was saying about, you know, with his locals.
• 57:21
  My annual meeting was Wednesday. Our our constitution says we
• 57:26
  have to have 5 for a quorum. We were minutes away from losing
• 57:32
  our local unit and being dissolved.
• 57:34
  It was myself, the two other board members and Ruby, four.
• 57:39
  That is not a quorum by our by our local council.
• 57:42
  Us three board members were on the phones trying to get whoever
• 57:47
  one more person. Luckily, one person that was
• 57:51
  local to our we were holding our meeting had just finished what
• 57:55
  they were doing and came in. They literally saved our local,
• 58:02
  our local unit, just that one person for our annual meeting.
• 58:07
  Our state says we have to have a minimum of one meeting a year.
• 58:11
  That's our annual meeting. Our last meeting we had was our
• 58:14
  annual meeting last year. This is why it's important to go
• 58:20
  because if my local would have been dissolved, I don't know
• 58:23
  which one we would have gone to. But that means my local meetings
• 58:26
  would then, instead of being an hour away where they've been
• 58:29
  currently would have been two hours, give or take, wherever we
• 58:32
  would have gone at. You know, the IT, it was
• 58:34
  heartbreaking. It was, it was stressful, But
• 58:38
  thankfully that one person showed up to save our local.
• 58:43
  And and you know, that's the important things of, you know,
• 58:46
  being active. I understand that sometimes it's
• 58:50
  hard, especially after you work. I've already, we already decided
• 58:54
  our next meeting was going to be an informal meeting.
• 58:58
  It was going to be on a Sunday, early afternoon family friendly
• 59:02
  BBQ cookout trying to pull people in.
• 59:05
  You know, I want, I'm still only the vice president, which is
• 59:09
  fine, but I'm still tossing the ideas out to my other two board
• 59:14
  members to try and get people to come to be active.
• 59:18
  I mean, there's, you know, I understand if you can't go to
• 59:21
  some of the other meetings or the state stuff.
• 59:23
  And I understand how hard it can be to go to a local regional
• 59:27
  district meeting. However, county, however, your,
• 59:32
  your state doesn't because of the distance.
• 59:34
  Like I said, it's an hour drive for me where we've been having
• 59:37
  them. I want to rotate locations like
• 59:39
  I did in my previous. SO that's what I'm working on to
• 59:42
  try and get people that way. If we rotate those locations
• 59:46
  each time, you know, bringing a guest speaker in, you know,
• 59:50
  trying to do what we can to save our local unit, you know, you
• 59:53
  find information out, you meet your other carriers from the
• 59:56
  other offices when you go to your local meetings.
• 1:00:00
  That's how you network with people just to say, oh, hey, I,
• 1:00:04
  you know, you get that delegate ballot for national and you
• 1:00:07
  recognize the name on there because you just met him at a
• 1:00:10
  local meeting or something. Or maybe you remember.
• 1:00:13
  Oh yeah, so and so at the local meeting was talking about this
• 1:00:15
  person. That's how you start to
• 1:00:17
  recognize who you want to vote for, for national delegate, you
• 1:00:22
  know, and I'm not going to say, you know, OK, the highlights
• 1:00:25
  were out there. I've seen already so much on
• 1:00:27
  social media today going I'm voting no, I'm voting no.
• 1:00:31
  And I've seen polls up and you guys, this is just a highlight.
• 1:00:35
  This is a small glimpse before anybody makes a final decision,
• 1:00:41
  you know, do the homework before you, you know, you could you
• 1:00:45
  submit that ballot once they come out to whether or not the
• 1:00:49
  you want to ratify or not ratify them.
• 1:00:53
  I'm not going to tell anybody how to vote.
• 1:00:55
  I, you know, if I personally right now don't know what I'm
• 1:00:57
  going to vote yet because I'm going to wait.
• 1:00:59
  So, you know, don't take things hastily.
• 1:01:02
  But at the same time, I mean, I get it upset, you know, yeah, I
• 1:01:06
  wish general wage increases were a little bit more.
• 1:01:08
  But you know, that's where the true divide amongst the craft
• 1:01:12
  is. I mean, I see it so much.
• 1:01:14
  We got blamed for dividing the craft at National a several
• 1:01:19
  time. And everybody knows my goal was
• 1:01:21
  to try and bring people in to be active.
• 1:01:23
  You know, even if it's just voting on a ratification, voting
• 1:01:27
  for a delegate, you know, that's the smallest things you can do,
• 1:01:33
  be active if you are unable to go to anything else.
• 1:01:37
  I want to bring people together. The divide amongst the craft
• 1:01:41
  needs to stop the divide. We need to quit attacking each
• 1:01:45
  other. You know, if somebody has a
• 1:01:47
  legitimate, you know, a question that is legitimate to them but
• 1:01:51
  redundant or stupid, there is no reason to go off and belittle
• 1:01:55
  them about it. You know, the same thing with
• 1:01:57
  somebody says yes, this, you know, this tentative agreement
• 1:02:00
  looks good. I'm going to vote yes.
• 1:02:02
  Even if you don't agree with them, there's no reason to be
• 1:02:05
  harsh and belittle them. You know, just move on.
• 1:02:10
  Scroll past. It's ridiculous guys, I think.
• 1:02:14
  Or attack them. You.
• 1:02:16
  Know the attacking needs to. Stop.
• 1:02:18
  We are not. I posted that up on Facebook.
• 1:02:22
  Kristen, excuse me, I posted on Facebook, somebody asked a
• 1:02:24
  question like you said it, it may be pertinent to them.
• 1:02:27
  And I said stop belittling each other.
• 1:02:30
  You know, if you, if this person doesn't know the question, it's
• 1:02:35
  it's you know for us to answer. If you don't have something nice
• 1:02:39
  to say, OK or direction to point them in, then shut the hell up.
• 1:02:44
  Don't be on for social media just to get your top contributor
• 1:02:49
  points up. If you don't want to help, then
• 1:02:51
  don't say anything. I mean, Jesus Christ, we have
• 1:02:54
  enough division in, in our own offices in regards to people who
• 1:02:58
  cheat work off the clock and everything else.
• 1:03:01
  But the fact of the matter is that, you know, you are not
• 1:03:04
  going to get ahead by fighting each other.
• 1:03:08
  The fight is with management. The fight is with the national
• 1:03:11
  board getting proper representation.
• 1:03:14
  I mean, you're, you're, you're struggling to get people to come
• 1:03:16
  to your meetings. We're, we're, our next meeting
• 1:03:19
  is May 1st. And you know what, you know, we
• 1:03:20
  provide for Olive Garden. We're going to have lasagna,
• 1:03:23
  we're going to have Alfredo. We're going to have the chicken
• 1:03:26
  gnocchi soup and salad and breadsticks and all that.
• 1:03:29
  And and even then it's hard to get more than 12 to 15 people
• 1:03:34
  there, and that's out of almost 200 for our local chapter.
• 1:03:37
  This is the second time I have been to a meeting.
• 1:03:40
  Where it was a three board, two other and at that time I was one
• 1:03:43
  of those other people 'cause I when the other one was a
• 1:03:44
  retiree. And we're actually surprised
• 1:03:46
  that we did not see him at this one 'cause he's always there,
• 1:03:50
  which is great, you know. But it the sheer fact that we
• 1:03:53
  spent 45 minutes texting and calling other carriers within
• 1:03:59
  our local to say, Hey, can you get here?
• 1:04:01
  Hey, can you come? Hey, hey, hey.
• 1:04:04
  I had one that said I would have loved to been there, but they
• 1:04:07
  had had oral surgery that day. So obviously that I'm not going
• 1:04:11
  to, you know, I thought I had my RCA's outside of Ruby lined up
• 1:04:16
  to go and one was but then had an incident with their kid at
• 1:04:20
  school. So they had to take care of that
• 1:04:22
  issue. The other two forgot about it
• 1:04:25
  and made other you know, I and nobody else in my office has
• 1:04:29
  ever gone to a carrier wise that's still there.
• 1:04:33
  It is, it really is. And I mean, I get it like, you
• 1:04:37
  know, talking to a fellow carrier today who, you know,
• 1:04:40
  initially wanted to go, but you got to realize when it's on a
• 1:04:43
  Wednesday evening and it's an hour away after you run the
• 1:04:47
  route. I mean, I got home at 10:00 and
• 1:04:49
  you know, they would have had another half hour drive beyond
• 1:04:52
  and then have to get up and run the Roth the next day.
• 1:04:55
  I get it, it's hard. That's why I proposed our next
• 1:04:59
  meeting be on a Sunday early afternoon.
• 1:05:02
  So people after people get out of church and you know, bring
• 1:05:05
  the family, we'll do a cookout. I'm going to check and see if
• 1:05:09
  our at our local beach park here has how much it is to rent A to
• 1:05:13
  book a pavilion and, you know, try and do that it.
• 1:05:17
  I don't know what else we can do guys, but I, I'm just going to
• 1:05:21
  say stop attacking each other, you know, because you know,
• 1:05:25
  maybe you've got great management or you got horrible
• 1:05:28
  management as we all do a different degrees of one
• 1:05:30
  another. But if you know, you have newer
• 1:05:33
  carriers, whether it's a newer RCA or newer regular, maybe even
• 1:05:36
  somebody that's been around for a while and now has an issue
• 1:05:39
  they've never dealt with before and it may be something you've
• 1:05:42
  been dealing with with years. That's no freaking reason to
• 1:05:45
  attack them like they're stupid. That's where you want to mentor
• 1:05:50
  them and coach them and guide them through how to deal with
• 1:05:53
  that issue, not turn around and attack them and belittle them.
• 1:05:56
  It's getting old folks. That is the true divide within
• 1:06:00
  our craft. And on that note, I'm going to
• 1:06:04
  get off my soapbox now because I do have to edit this and I on a
• 1:06:08
  rant. I.
• 1:06:10
  It's. It's hard to leave that all in
• 1:06:12
  there I am. Leave that in there.
• 1:06:15
  I. I am.
• 1:06:16
  I you. Know guys it it's if it's any
• 1:06:19
  time it's now is the time to not divide but to come.
• 1:06:23
  Hey, Kristen. Yes.
• 1:06:25
  Chris. Chris.
• 1:06:26
  You know. We, we're our May 1st meeting is
• 1:06:30
  the last one before our state convention, OK.
• 1:06:33
  And I'm secretary Treasurer, we're flush with cash.
• 1:06:37
  So over the past four or five years, we have barely had three
• 1:06:42
  out of the possible 20 delegates go to the state convention that
• 1:06:48
  we're allowed OK, that we're allocated this year we're I'm,
• 1:06:51
  I'm, I'm offering the locals going to pick up your hotel bill
• 1:06:56
  plus a $250 convention per diem because we, we need you to get
• 1:07:02
  involved. I you know.
• 1:07:06
  I would love to be. I wish we did.
• 1:07:08
  We unfortunately don't have the funds for that.
• 1:07:10
  We have a cap and you know it. The attendees split, but that's
• 1:07:15
  my thing is for the last several years that I've been in this
• 1:07:19
  local, we've had two delegates, myself and one of the other
• 1:07:22
  board members. This year is going to be the
• 1:07:25
  first time we have three. We almost had four, but the 4th
• 1:07:28
  one had a drop out due to personal reasons.
• 1:07:31
  But we'll have three this year, myself, my other board member
• 1:07:35
  and three out of a possible 12. Last year we had one.
• 1:07:40
  Out of a possible 20 What was that James?
• 1:07:44
  I was going to say your passion for the craft.
• 1:07:46
  Is showing. Hey it does sometimes.
• 1:07:48
  Maybe I need? It too a little bit.
• 1:07:49
  All right, I am wrapping this up now.
• 1:07:51
  Officially. This is the midweek bonus.
• 1:07:55
  Well, it's the end of the week bonus.
• 1:07:57
  It's just a bonus episode due to the tentative agreement coming
• 1:08:00
  out today. Again, tentative agreement just
• 1:08:04
  highlights. Wait until you get your hard
• 1:08:07
  copy in the mail. Try to attend a ratification
• 1:08:11
  meeting if you can, then make your decision on how you're
• 1:08:15
  going to vote. And please vote.
• 1:08:19
  I'm not going to tell you how to vote.
• 1:08:20
  That's your own personal decision on one you want to vote
• 1:08:23
  yay or nay? I'm just going to ask you to
• 1:08:27
  vote. 131,000 people. Can we get better than an 18%
• 1:08:35
  vote turn out? Let just vote people.
• 1:08:38
  It's not that difficult. You get it, you open it up, you,
• 1:08:42
  you, you check off yay or nay, you fold it up, you put it in
• 1:08:45
  the envelope. Then you put it in the envelope.
• 1:08:48
  Make sure you put your return address on there, fill out all
• 1:08:52
  the information and a stamp. Throw a stamp on it, toss it in
• 1:08:56
  the mail and get it in before the deadline.
• 1:08:58
  When those come out, that's all you have to do.
• 1:09:01
  It's not that difficult. It's going to cost you the price
• 1:09:04
  of a stamp and probably a minute out of your time from start to
• 1:09:08
  finish. Please guys, when it comes to
• 1:09:10
  that time, vote, Vote how you feel you want to vote.
• 1:09:14
  On that note, we are done. We are not doing an episode
• 1:09:17
  Sunday. Happy Easter, everybody.
• 1:09:19
  This is the Easter egg edition. Yes, that just got dubbed.
• 1:09:23
  Is that so we will be back on the 27th to record that Sunday
• 1:09:29
  night. Everybody have a safe weekend,
• 1:09:33
  have a happy Easter, have a safe week and we will be back on the
• 1:09:38
  27th. Good night, guys.