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Credlin | 16 June · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandlin live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 2: tonight on Kredline. Ben Roberts Smith back in court today
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Speaker 2: in a bit to vary his bail condition to attend
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Speaker 2: a military ceremony in camera and to look closer to
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Speaker 2: his family. I'll have an update for you shortly, but
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Speaker 2: why his bail is so strict is beyond me. Plus,
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Speaker 2: I hit the streets of Melbourne CBD with Shadow Police
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Speaker 2: Minister Brad Batton.
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Speaker 3: No prizes for what we found.
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Speaker 2: Crime, rough sleeping, shuttered shops in a city that's lost
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Speaker 2: its pride. The Reserve Band holds fire and interest rates.
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Speaker 2: That's a relief. But could another rate rise be inevitable
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Speaker 2: for households under pressure?
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Speaker 4: I want to be very clear that inflation remains too high.
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Speaker 2: In Sydney Today in a corporate Ben Roberts Smith faced
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Speaker 2: just as Susan Horn as he applied to vary his
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Speaker 2: bail conditions.
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Speaker 3: He wanted to be able to live closer to.
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Speaker 2: His family and to attend an upcoming event to the
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Speaker 2: Australian War Memorial in Canberra later this month. Now, so
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Speaker 2: strict are his conditions that even the simple act of
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Speaker 2: accepting an invitation to the opening of a new space
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Speaker 2: at the War Memorial, a space that coincidentally houses a
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Speaker 2: collection of his own military material, or that requires the
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Speaker 2: permission of the court. This is our most decorated living
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Speaker 2: war hero, all but deny the right we all have
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Speaker 2: to the presumption of innocence. Treated no better than a
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Speaker 2: career criminal. Unlike the ISIS linked women who arrived back
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Speaker 2: from a war zone and straight into the arms of
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Speaker 2: Australian authorities welcoming arms, I might say, ushed out in
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Speaker 2: private through the airport, these women were treated very differently
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Speaker 2: than a man who put his life on the line
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Speaker 2: to fight terrorism. Even where some of these women were
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Speaker 2: arrested for crimes against humanity, slavery and terrorism offenses, so
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Speaker 2: all verious serious things. Their arrests occurred behind close doors.
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Speaker 2: Not so the soldier who did five tours of Afghanistan
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Speaker 2: to fight terrorism, as you well recall, treated like a
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Speaker 2: gangster trying to flee the country. Ben Robert Smith was
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Speaker 2: arrested in sensationalist fashion on the tarmaggets in the airport,
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Speaker 2: dragged off a plane in front of his family and
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Speaker 2: a planeload of other passengers and into the full glare
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Speaker 2: of waiting media. Now many have questioned the need for
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Speaker 2: such a public arrest at all, including David Craig, a
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Speaker 2: former AFP Detective superintendent and someone who himself served at
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Speaker 2: our base at Taran Cott as a police expert in
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Speaker 2: international law.
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Speaker 5: He's also a person that's made it clear that he
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Speaker 5: wants to clear his name. Now people want to clear
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Speaker 5: their name, don't run. I don't believe that the arrest
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Speaker 5: was necessary to have his appearance before the court. I
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Speaker 5: do believe that a summons could have been arranged in
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Speaker 5: instant summons which would place a requirement on him to
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Speaker 5: return to court. I don't believe that this was a
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Speaker 5: very good alternative to the AFP.
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Speaker 2: That's David Craig, as I said, a former senior AFP officer.
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Speaker 2: Others too, have questioned why he wasn't arrested at all
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Speaker 2: in Sydney. He doesn't live in Sydney. He's lived in
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Speaker 2: Brisbane to be close to his family for a number
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Speaker 2: of years. Before that, of course, it was Perth where
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Speaker 2: he was based out of the Campbell Barracks, the home
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Speaker 2: of the SAS Regiment. His Australian at home while on
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Speaker 2: deployment during the time those alleged war crimes were claimed
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Speaker 2: to have occurred. So not Brisbane, not Perth.
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Speaker 3: Why Sydney. Some claim it's.
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Speaker 2: Because Sydney will give prosecutors a more ethnically diverse jury
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Speaker 2: pool than Brisbane or Perth. We know there's a large
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Speaker 2: Muslim population in Sydney. Some say that was a consideration.
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Speaker 3: Well was it? We don't know, but.
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Speaker 2: Given the close military links of both Brisbane and Perth
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Speaker 2: have and I a fairly sympathetic population, perhaps that was
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Speaker 2: behind police thinking. Now officially they claim that Robert Smith
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Speaker 2: could have been a flight risk, but how so, He's
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Speaker 2: flown in and out of Australia multiple times over the
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Speaker 2: past ten years, so as to the flight risk claim,
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Speaker 2: there's no shred of evidence, at least offered publicly. In fact,
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Speaker 2: evidence s is that all times he has cooperated with
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Speaker 2: requests from police and military investigators, as his lawyers revealed
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Speaker 2: at the time of his arrest, he had in fact
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Speaker 2: offered to attend the police station on summons, but the
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Speaker 2: AFP instead chose to arrest him in scenes he later
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Speaker 2: condemned as a spectacle.
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Speaker 6: Past ten years my family and I have been subject
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Speaker 6: to a campaign to convince the Strains that I've acted
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Speaker 6: improperly in my service in Afghanistan. As I've always maintained,
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Speaker 6: I categorically deny all of these allegations, and while I
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Speaker 6: would have preferred these charges not being brought, I will
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Speaker 6: be taking this opportunity to finally clear my name.
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Speaker 2: The more we learn about the arrest of Ben Robert Smith,
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Speaker 2: the more there is a stench around it. The fact
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Speaker 2: that rumors of leaking from inside the government to the
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Speaker 2: media have now been referred to the Anti Corruption watchdog
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Speaker 2: says it all as well. The more we learn about
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Speaker 2: the individuals former soldiers who have themselves been granted immunity
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Speaker 2: from prosecution if they testify against their former comrade, well
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Speaker 2: that raises serious questions about inducement and probity. But what
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Speaker 2: really elevated concern for me was the recent revelations that
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Speaker 2: the Albanezer government had changed the very definition of a
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Speaker 2: war crime two years before the arrest of Ben Robert Smith,
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Speaker 2: and that the change made was one that lowered the
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Speaker 2: bar required to secure a conviction, and that change was
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Speaker 2: then made to apply retrospectively to the case of this
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Speaker 2: decorated war hero. Here is Senator michaelia Cash, a former
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Speaker 2: Attorney General. Now, of course the shadow ag who first
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Speaker 2: brought these secret legal changes to light Australia.
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Speaker 7: You are judged on the law as it stood at
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Speaker 7: the time, and as he so articulately says, our soldiers
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Speaker 7: went to war under conditions explained to them by the
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Speaker 7: government at the time. And now it appears that the
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Speaker 7: government actually retrospectively changed the test under which they can
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Speaker 7: be prosecuted.
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Speaker 2: And this again from former AFP officer David Craig.
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Speaker 8: I think Ben Robert Smith was set up and this
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Speaker 8: is how they did it. To prove the war crime
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Speaker 8: of murder, under section two six eight of the Criminal Code,
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Speaker 8: you have to prove that someone is a non combatant,
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Speaker 8: an innocent person in the field. Now, there used to
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Speaker 8: be a list of criteria that had to be met.
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Speaker 8: Every single criteria had to be met to prove that
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Speaker 8: that person was a non combatant. Therefore the person that
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Speaker 8: killed them could be held accountable for murder. What happened
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Speaker 8: in turning twenty four the Albanese government changed it to
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Speaker 8: not all those criteria, but just one. So they changed
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Speaker 8: it just to one element of this non combatant list
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Speaker 8: when they were investigating Ben Robert Smith for shooting allegedly
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Speaker 8: a non combatant, So that was the step one. Step two.
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Speaker 8: They made it retrospective. So this law changed in twenty
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Speaker 8: twenty four, but they changed it back so it was
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Speaker 8: retrospective from two thousand and two, so Ben Robert Smith
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Speaker 8: was applicable within that time frame. Now, these laws affect
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Speaker 8: the war crime of murder. They don't affect the war
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Speaker 8: crimes that are applied to the ISIS brides that they
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Speaker 8: do for Ben Robert Smith.
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Speaker 2: Go figure, that's David Craig, as I said, a former
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Speaker 2: detective superintendent in the AFP, someone with counter terrorism experience
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Speaker 2: and of course who was himself deployed to Afghanistan to
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Speaker 2: deal in the very complex area of international law. Now
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Speaker 2: his claims there that Ben Robert Smith, he says, was
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Speaker 2: set up, they warrant serious investigation by politicians and the media.
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Speaker 3: We cannot have.
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Speaker 2: A situation in this country where we send Australians to
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Speaker 2: war in our name, wearing our nation's uniform under one
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Speaker 2: set of legal rules, require them to meet those rules
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Speaker 2: and put their lives on the line to do it,
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Speaker 2: and then we change the rules when they get home
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Speaker 2: and hit them with those rules retrospectively. Now there is
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Speaker 2: every likelihood it'll be four or five years before this
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Speaker 2: case even gets to court. As a soldier, he has
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Speaker 2: already lost years and years of his family's lives, his
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Speaker 2: children's lives, fighting for our nation on deployment. The very
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Speaker 2: least the police can do here is to use common
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Speaker 2: sense and allow him to move closer to his family.
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Speaker 2: These are, after all, Commonwealth charges. They can be tried
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Speaker 2: in any state of the Commonwealth. But the idea that
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Speaker 2: he is treated like a war criminal now rather than
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Speaker 2: a soldier facing unproven charges is wrong. It is just wrong,
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Speaker 2: and so too I believe the decision handedly this afternoon
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Speaker 2: down by the judge in relation to his bid to
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Speaker 2: vary those very strict bowel conditions, said the judge. Ben
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Speaker 2: Robert Smith can go to the event at the Australian
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Speaker 2: War Memorial, but he had another request. He is forbidden
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Speaker 2: from marching alongside other soldiers out of graduation event for
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Speaker 2: Henry did Now Didhams is the son of his mate,
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Speaker 2: the late Sergeant Blaine Didhams, who was killed in action
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Speaker 2: in Afghanostan. That request to attend Henry's passing out parade
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Speaker 2: has been denied, and the decision to be able to
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Speaker 2: move closer to his family, well that was put off
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Speaker 2: until next Tuesday. I'll cross shortly to our reporter from
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Speaker 2: City Whill was there today in the courtroom. But again,
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Speaker 2: I think this is where many Australians will be questioning
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Speaker 2: just how fair and justice is in this country. We
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Speaker 2: seem to roll out the welcome are to those accused
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Speaker 2: of connections to terrorist organizations like Islamic State, but put
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Speaker 2: a soldier who fought terrorism through the ringer just because
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Speaker 2: he wants to live closer to his family, despite the fact,
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Speaker 2: like all of us, he is supposed to be innocent
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Speaker 2: until proven guilty. We'll talk to our reporter in a moment,
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Speaker 2: but let's go down to camera for the headlines. Guard
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Speaker 2: US political reporter Ribbon Spargo.
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Speaker 9: Emotions are running highs The Coalition escalates its criticism of
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Speaker 9: Labour's budget process. The committee examining the government's proposed changes
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Speaker 9: to negative gearing and the capital gains tax discount is
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Speaker 9: concluding its hearings.
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Speaker 10: I feel very bad for the Australian people that not
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Speaker 10: only are they stuck with a terrible dysfunctional parliament. Now
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Speaker 10: there's the Senate Committee system and no wonder people want
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Speaker 10: to smash the system up.
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Speaker 9: Labor signaling it may make concessions for some investors and will.
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Speaker 11: Await and treat the Senate Committee with the respect that
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Speaker 11: it deserves.
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Speaker 9: The committee is due to hand down its findings on Friday.
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Speaker 9: The Prime Minister is facing growing calls to extend petrol
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Speaker 9: price relief. The temporary cut to the fuel exercise is
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Speaker 9: due to expire at the end of the month, but
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Speaker 9: the Tourism and Transport Forum, once it extended through the
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Speaker 9: July school holidays, will.
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Speaker 2: Give consideration to those matters.
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Speaker 9: The three month excise cut lost the federal budget two
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Speaker 9: and a half billion dollars. The Reserve Bank is providing
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Speaker 9: mortgage hold is some reprieve after three consecutive rate rises.
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Speaker 9: It's left the cash rate unchanged at four point three
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Speaker 9: five percent.
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Speaker 6: This is reassuring in the face of all of this
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Speaker 6: global economic volatility.
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Speaker 4: I want to be very clear that inflation remains too high.
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Speaker 9: The IRBA is not ruling out further increases.
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Speaker 2: And as I said, we'll go back to the Bitten
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Speaker 2: Robett Smith case. The appeal today or the appearance today
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Speaker 2: in relation to varying the orders. He's seeking permission to
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Speaker 2: vary his strict bail conditions and joining me our senior
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Speaker 2: reporter of Matt Taylor, who was there for the hearing.
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Speaker 2: I've just gone through some of the outcomes today, Matt,
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Speaker 2: but you were there, what else can you tell us?
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Speaker 6: Peter?
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Speaker 11: It was a really really lengthy process ours into the afternoon.
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Speaker 11: Ben Robert Smith arrived at court this morning. It was
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Speaker 11: then delayed until the early afternoon, but we didn't emerge
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Speaker 11: from the court until around about four thirty seven. Was
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Speaker 11: about two and a half hours of hearing this argument.
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Speaker 11: And as you rightly point out, he was successful in
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Speaker 11: one of these variations, he was not successful in another,
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Speaker 11: and the third one has been kicked down the road
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Speaker 11: until next week by the judge.
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Speaker 3: But let's run through the three.
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Speaker 11: Of them, because the first one you point out, this
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Speaker 11: was with respect to attending the opening of the atrium
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Speaker 11: at the Anzac Hall at the War Memorial. Now this
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Speaker 11: will be taking place in Canberra early on next week
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Speaker 11: and it was eventually decided that he could attend. Now,
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Speaker 11: a lot of the concern was around who he would
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Speaker 11: speak to when he was at these events with other
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Speaker 11: Defense Force personnel and what he might say to them.
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Speaker 3: But the judge, when she was handing.
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Speaker 11: Down her decision, was satisfied that this event in Canberra,
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Speaker 11: it was a formal event. He received an invitation to attend,
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Speaker 11: so that should be okay. But in her judgment she
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Speaker 11: said though that while he's in the act, he's not
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Speaker 11: to discuss anything directly or indirectly related to the case
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Speaker 11: against him, apart from with his legal representatives and his family.
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Speaker 11: There was them the next event, this is this march
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Speaker 11: up parade happening late next week. You pointed out it
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Speaker 11: was for the son of one of his combat mates.
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Speaker 11: The judge, though, saying that she was not satisfied that
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Speaker 11: some of those strict bail conditions could be adhered to
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Speaker 11: because it was essentially an unsupervised event. In some parts
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Speaker 11: there would be a portion of the event there would
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Speaker 11: be a celebration that would take place behind closed doors
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Speaker 11: where there might be alcohol served, and therefore she was
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Speaker 11: not satisfied that these restrictions, these bail restrictions.
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Speaker 3: Would be able to be met.
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Speaker 11: Which is basically talking to other people about the case
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Speaker 11: that's against him. Now, he was asked when he was
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Speaker 11: leaving court whether or not he should be attending this
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Speaker 11: event at the War Memorial in Canberra. And this is
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Speaker 11: what Ben Robert Smith had to say, aspersed Victoria.
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Speaker 3: Quess, I think this is all extraordinary. People at a home, Matt.
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Speaker 2: I think people at home to you go through those
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Speaker 2: two events won the War Memorial. Great that he can
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Speaker 2: be there because the War Memorial is full of his
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Speaker 2: own military memorabilia. But the idea that he can't be
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Speaker 2: at a passing out parade to be alongside the son
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Speaker 2: of one of his mates who was killed in action,
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Speaker 2: a son who himself now has joined the military. Well,
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Speaker 2: this is not a legal opinion of course on this program.
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Speaker 2: I just think that's crazy. But there was another request
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Speaker 2: he had to be able to move home closer to
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Speaker 2: his family.
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Speaker 3: What was the outcome there?
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Speaker 11: The outcome on this almost interesting. This took up most
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Speaker 11: of the time with a judge considering arguments from both sides.
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Speaker 11: We know, of course that Ben Robert Smith is able
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Speaker 11: to travel to Sydney to seek legal advice. He can
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Speaker 11: then report has to report three times a week to
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Speaker 11: police authorities to check in as part of those conditions.
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Speaker 11: Under his well he can do that when he's in Sydney.
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Speaker 11: He's also allowed to travel to Perth in Western Australia,
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Speaker 11: where also if his visit to Perth or Western Australia
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Speaker 11: falls within one of those three days, he's able to
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Speaker 11: go and report to police there, but moving a distance
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Speaker 11: away from where he currently has to report. Where unable
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Speaker 11: to disclose what that location is. It was deemed that
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Speaker 11: it's not sure whether or not that that would be
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Speaker 11: in the best interest of this whole process for him
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Speaker 11: to potentially move further away from where he currently reports,
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Speaker 11: so there was a lot of back and forward about that.
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Speaker 11: He says he wants to be closer to his family.
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Speaker 11: There are also some other issues around employment and being
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Speaker 11: closer to being able to engage in and employment, but
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Speaker 11: the judge saying that she would need to seek further
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Speaker 11: advice on this. There maybe further submissions as well when
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Speaker 11: this returns to court incidentally next Tuesday, which is when
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Speaker 11: Ben Robert Smith will be attending this event at the
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Speaker 11: War Memorial in Canberra.
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Speaker 2: We will stay across at thank you for your time, Matt.
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Speaker 2: Let's bring in my pair on our national affairs are
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Speaker 2: to the dat he telegraphs Guy and new his host
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Speaker 2: across James Morrow and former Liberal MP Nicole Flint. I
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Speaker 2: will make a comment and I won't ask you both
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Speaker 2: to weigh in because we've got to be so careful
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Speaker 2: of the lawyers. But it is extraordinary. These are commonwealth chargers, Nicole.
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Speaker 2: I know you're a lawyer as well. They can be
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Speaker 2: they could be held, they could be tried, They can
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Speaker 2: be dealt with in any state in the Commonwealth jurisdiction.
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Speaker 2: So this idea that he can't move here and he
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Speaker 2: can't move there if there's a police station in the vicinity.
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Speaker 3: I don't know what the drama is.
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Speaker 2: But anyway, one rule for one and a different rule
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Speaker 2: for someone else, it would seem let's go to this
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Speaker 2: clash this morning, though, a fiery clash between Tim Wilson
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Speaker 2: and Amanda Rishworth.
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Speaker 3: Have a look at this.
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Speaker 7: Maybe you should table your book because of course you've
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Speaker 7: argued for these changes.
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Speaker 12: Also, so these grow on a man.
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Speaker 3: That's not true.
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Speaker 12: That's not true. You're telling me to country.
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Speaker 13: Screaming for help, and your answer to this is to
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Speaker 13: turn around and to censor and silence them. There's a
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Speaker 13: point in which astra Is just didn't give it to
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Speaker 13: people that is, you didn't give it to people at
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Speaker 13: the last election. You lied before the Australians people before
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Speaker 13: the last election. You're now got through astrangers get to
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Speaker 13: have to say about still running.
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Speaker 3: Well.
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Speaker 2: Here is Cops some criticism criticism Nicole that he's not
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Speaker 2: going hard enough on the economic front. I think he's
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Speaker 2: gone hard there this morning. If you're asleep watching today,
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Speaker 2: he certainly would have woken everybody up.
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Speaker 3: But he pushes back pretty hard on her in relation
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Speaker 3: to the lie.
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Speaker 2: And we all heard a man in Riskweth and she
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Speaker 2: saying that's not true, that's not true, that's not true. Well,
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to play it again, but we've all
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Speaker 2: heard the Prime minister's lie.
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Speaker 3: We sure have, Peter.
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Speaker 14: And it's a relief to see Tim will seeing Tim
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Speaker 14: Wilson firing up at last, and the Liberal Party firing
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Speaker 14: up at last. This is what we've been missing from them,
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Speaker 14: and this is the perfect reason that they should be
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Speaker 14: getting as angry as possible, because every single small business
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Speaker 14: around the country is screaming out for Labor to change
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Speaker 14: the appalling announcements that they made during the budget that
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Speaker 14: they seem intent on ramming through Parliament. But I tell
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Speaker 14: you what, if they do, Peter, it doesn't end well
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Speaker 14: for them, and nor should it. They are intent on
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Speaker 14: economic destruction of the country. It's not good enough, and
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Speaker 14: I hope we see more of these sorts of performances
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Speaker 14: from Tim Wilson and the Liberal Party team.
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Speaker 15: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I think that's probably been part of the problem, hasn't it.
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Speaker 2: James to Cole's right, people have been willing the Coalition
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Speaker 2: to get into the ring. We saw a little bit
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Speaker 2: of it there, but we've got to have a lot.
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Speaker 3: More of it.
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, we do have to get more of it.
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Speaker 1: We have to not only get the angry performances like
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Speaker 1: that Tim Wilson taking it right up to Amanda Rishworth
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Speaker 1: and everybody else has been challenging all of the members
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Speaker 1: of the government's front bench. But we also need to
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Speaker 1: see a lot more I think in terms of policy now.
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Speaker 1: We saw some of that start to come out in
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Speaker 1: Angus Taylor's Budget reply speech, and that's great, you know,
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Speaker 1: talking about indexing taxage, tax brackets, this sort of thing. Yes,
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Speaker 1: all of that's good, but you know, what I really
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Speaker 1: want to see is the start to create a real,
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Speaker 1: inter actual case for real reform, not the reform, the
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Speaker 1: nonsense reform that labor talks about, which is really just
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Speaker 1: a way to raise another eighty or one hundred billion dollars,
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Speaker 1: but real reform to get productivity up, to make us
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Speaker 1: all wealthy again, because we should be such a rich nation,
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Speaker 1: and it we're going backwards because of all of this.
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Speaker 2: I'll stay with you, James. The Iran deal, I wasn't
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Speaker 2: pretty happy with the last nime. I felt we were away.
20:27
Speaker 2: The West Australia unfortunately never got involved in any of it.
20:31
Speaker 2: But the United States looked like they had signed off
20:34
Speaker 2: a deal to get the deal away without really changing
20:37
Speaker 2: much at all. But there seems to be a little
20:40
Speaker 2: more meat on the bones today.
20:41
Speaker 3: Have a listen.
20:43
Speaker 16: This means that a Ran will never have a nuclear weapons.
20:45
Speaker 17: Why they didn't get a dime?
20:47
Speaker 13: Did they ever get an American dime a taxpayer dollar?
20:50
Speaker 6: No?
20:50
Speaker 16: So number one, First of all, they never get a
20:52
Speaker 16: dime of American tax payer money ever, full stop, not
20:55
Speaker 16: even close.
20:56
Speaker 12: What we have said is there's a lot.
20:58
Speaker 16: Of economic benefit in the United States relieving a lot
21:01
Speaker 16: of sanctions and welcoming them back.
21:03
Speaker 3: Into the world economy. There's a lot of benefit.
21:05
Speaker 16: They're not American money, but there's a lot of economic
21:07
Speaker 16: prosperity that can flow from that. What the President said
21:10
Speaker 16: to them is, we want you to be a successful country.
21:12
Speaker 16: But for you to be a successful country, you've got
21:15
Speaker 16: to give up on this threat. You've got to give
21:18
Speaker 16: up on this desire to have a nuclear weapon.
21:21
Speaker 2: What about the concerns those times that they could access
21:24
Speaker 2: a three hundred billion dollar reconstruction fund. I hear him
21:29
Speaker 2: on the nuclear but they promised the nuclear staff before.
21:31
Speaker 2: I have little faith that they will honor it. But
21:34
Speaker 2: generalized UN funds funds from Europe, that's a concern.
21:38
Speaker 1: That's a huge concern. I mean, you know, first of all,
21:41
Speaker 1: Germany also promised not to rearm when they signed the
21:45
Speaker 1: Treaty of Versailles after World War One, and you know,
21:47
Speaker 1: we know what happened there. So I also don't trust
21:50
Speaker 1: the Iranians this idea that you bring them back into
21:52
Speaker 1: the fold of the world community, so long as the
21:55
Speaker 1: IRGC is running the joint as far as some sort
21:58
Speaker 1: of reconstruction fund, well looking to reconstruct, because the stuff
22:02
Speaker 1: that got blown up in this conflict, you know, they
22:05
Speaker 1: never did the power stations, they never did the bridges,
22:07
Speaker 1: they never did civilian infrastructure with these attacks in military infrastructure.
22:12
Speaker 1: So I'm pretty wary of this, particularly since A we
22:15
Speaker 1: don't know what the terms of the MoU are here
22:18
Speaker 1: and B you cannot trust the Islamic Revolutionary Guard core.
22:23
Speaker 1: There is a premise within Islam called a Hudna treaty,
22:26
Speaker 1: which is what you signed with your enemies. It's in
22:29
Speaker 1: Islam to give you time to rearm for the next
22:32
Speaker 1: phase of the conflict when you win. I just think
22:35
Speaker 1: that this I'm not happy with it. I feel like
22:38
Speaker 1: they wanted to get the deal away so they can
22:40
Speaker 1: have a nice party. But you know, I just think
22:43
Speaker 1: that this is going to be this is going to
22:45
Speaker 1: come back and bite us. Sorry, it's true.
22:48
Speaker 2: I am as skeptical as you. Let's go to a
22:52
Speaker 2: good job today in the Australian from Judas Sloan. I mean,
22:55
Speaker 2: she's come through a lot of labor spinn here in
22:57
Speaker 2: a call on migration the perspective, there's been one point
23:01
Speaker 2: four million long term arrivals ever since this government was
23:04
Speaker 2: first elected. Now that's greater than the population of your
23:07
Speaker 2: hometown of Adelaide.
23:09
Speaker 3: The number of.
23:10
Speaker 2: People on bridging visas well, that's jumped up from three
23:13
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy thousand before Labels elected to four hundred
23:16
Speaker 2: and twenty thousand now those on temporary visas that's gone
23:21
Speaker 2: up by a million, from one point nine to two
23:24
Speaker 2: point nine.
23:25
Speaker 3: The numbers don't LINI.
23:28
Speaker 14: The numbers don't lie, but Labor certainly does. And Peter,
23:33
Speaker 14: is it any wonder that your excellent line that you
23:36
Speaker 14: said live on air. I think I was actually on
23:38
Speaker 14: the program when you said it. By the liar has
23:40
Speaker 14: resonated so strongly with the Australian people, and One Nation
23:44
Speaker 14: have very cleverly weaponized it to raise what over two
23:48
Speaker 14: million dollars now in funding to fight Labor. Their record
23:53
Speaker 14: on migration is appalling. The fact that we have more
23:56
Speaker 14: people coming into the country during Labour's term than we
23:59
Speaker 14: have residents of Adelaide is just simply shocking. We know
24:03
Speaker 14: we don't have enough houses, We've got record pressure on
24:06
Speaker 14: our hospitals, on our roads, on our infrastructure and our
24:09
Speaker 14: public transport. This is an absolute disaster. They're doing nothing
24:13
Speaker 14: to turn it around. And the other I thought quite
24:16
Speaker 14: shocking factor in Judiths article was that we are now
24:21
Speaker 14: the country in the world with the highest proportion of
24:26
Speaker 14: non Australian born residents. So there are no other countries
24:29
Speaker 14: that have as many migrants proportionally that Australia does. So
24:34
Speaker 14: is it any wonder people are angry?
24:36
Speaker 5: No?
24:36
Speaker 14: Is it any wonder that one nation is resonating so well? No,
24:40
Speaker 14: and good to see Angus Taylor and the Coalition saying
24:43
Speaker 14: we're going to introduce some really stringent rules to help
24:46
Speaker 14: deal with this problem.
24:49
Speaker 2: Nicole, you're spot on at the last point. It's thirty
24:51
Speaker 2: two percent. And in Britain they're up in arms about
24:54
Speaker 2: the fact that they're overseas born population first generation overseas
24:59
Speaker 2: born is sixteen percent.
25:00
Speaker 3: We're thirty two.
25:00
Speaker 2: We are double what Britain is and they're basically going
25:03
Speaker 2: to the barricades because they're so worried.
25:05
Speaker 3: And here you're.
25:06
Speaker 2: Basically a racist if you want to talk about migration.
25:09
Speaker 2: But the polls don't lie either. That's also the problem
25:12
Speaker 2: for labor. Thank you to you both. Olivia there, let's
25:14
Speaker 2: go to a quick break. After the break, we're going
25:17
Speaker 2: out on the bad streets of Melbourne. I said I
25:19
Speaker 2: would well. I went out with a bit of muscle.
25:20
Speaker 2: I took Brad Batton with me. We took the crew out.
25:23
Speaker 2: I want you to see for yourself just how far
25:26
Speaker 2: this capital city of Melbourne has fallen.
25:33
Speaker 3: Welcome up, Welcome back.
25:35
Speaker 2: Coming up live, we'll go to London for the latest
25:37
Speaker 2: on that crucial bar election at the end of this week.
25:41
Speaker 2: It involves a man who's very likely, if he wins,
25:43
Speaker 2: to challenge Starmer for the job of Prime Minister. But
25:47
Speaker 2: now to a city once consistently crowned the world's most
25:50
Speaker 2: livable a few shorty years ago. Melbourne was the duel,
25:53
Speaker 2: the victorious Crown and arguably one of Australia's greatest urban
25:56
Speaker 2: success stories. But that crown has well and truly slipped,
26:00
Speaker 2: and with it, some say the pride, confidence and sense
26:03
Speaker 2: of security the city once had. Concerns are growing over
26:07
Speaker 2: Melbourne's CBD. We're talking about crime, disorder and a growing
26:12
Speaker 2: sense of neglect. It's like COVID hit Melbourne, emptied it
26:16
Speaker 2: out and life never really returned. After years of criticism
26:20
Speaker 2: and not enough action from the Melbourne City Council or
26:23
Speaker 2: the state government, people are now demanding answers as to
26:27
Speaker 2: how to restore the city's reputation. So, as I said
26:31
Speaker 2: I would, I took the cameras out with shadow Police
26:33
Speaker 2: Minister Brad Batten to look at some of the issues
26:36
Speaker 2: confronting the CBD, to talk to locals and find out
26:40
Speaker 2: what it'll take to bring back pride and make Melbourne
26:43
Speaker 2: feel safe again.
27:00
Speaker 3: You know, really touristic part of Melbourne.
27:02
Speaker 2: If you're coming from into State, this is where you're
27:05
Speaker 2: going to the g or the theater or something, and
27:07
Speaker 2: this is what greets you.
27:08
Speaker 17: Well, this is the gateway in the city and if
27:09
Speaker 17: you want people to feel safe, then you have to
27:11
Speaker 17: have a clean environment without the graffiti all over the walls.
27:15
Speaker 17: It looks like in Melbourne's in decline and I think
27:18
Speaker 17: since COVID people have gone backwards and they're starting to
27:21
Speaker 17: see how it's impacting in Melbourne.
27:23
Speaker 4: Shops are empty, people are moving on.
27:25
Speaker 3: It's not like it used to be. No which is
27:28
Speaker 3: a horrible thing to say, but it's not.
27:30
Speaker 18: A lot of closed businesses.
27:32
Speaker 3: It's quite grotty.
27:34
Speaker 5: There's graffiti everywhere, there's a lot of crime.
27:43
Speaker 17: You can look around people that don't look at having
27:45
Speaker 17: anymore and I think that's just lost pride in our state,
27:48
Speaker 17: lost pride in our capital city.
27:49
Speaker 3: Retailers tell me that they're concerned.
27:51
Speaker 2: You know, when the customers are coming into the city,
27:53
Speaker 2: they don't feel safe. You walk around and you can
27:57
Speaker 2: see that there's not that economic lifeblood in Melbourne anymore,
28:00
Speaker 2: and so many of the shops have shuttered their clothes.
28:02
Speaker 2: There's least signs up in the windows and.
28:04
Speaker 17: Businesses have to get customers to walk over people effective
28:07
Speaker 17: to come into their stores and they don't get the
28:09
Speaker 17: support they need. And that's not just police. Where's the
28:12
Speaker 17: money going that was promised for homelessness here in Victoria
28:14
Speaker 17: to give people opportunity to take them off the streets.
28:17
Speaker 17: There's a lot of money going there, but it doesn't
28:19
Speaker 17: seem we're getting the services to live before that cash.
28:21
Speaker 17: And I think we need to investigate why why do
28:23
Speaker 17: Melburnians have.
28:24
Speaker 11: To put up with this?
28:25
Speaker 17: Well, they've had to put up for for a period
28:27
Speaker 17: of time now here because the government's too weak to
28:29
Speaker 17: do anything. They get scared to do anything about homelessness
28:31
Speaker 17: because I'll be seen as moving someone on from an area.
28:34
Speaker 17: But I think that actually will help those at are
28:36
Speaker 17: homeless if you've give them the services and we'll just
28:38
Speaker 17: haven't got the police support we need. Having police presence
28:41
Speaker 17: makes a massive difference. If you had three or four
28:43
Speaker 17: coppers here. You know, when you're going down to the footy,
28:45
Speaker 17: you feel safe. We don't have that anymore, and I
28:47
Speaker 17: think that's why people feel generally unsafe, because the government
28:50
Speaker 17: won't fund it.
29:04
Speaker 2: It's a grotty city now, you know. I don't mind
29:07
Speaker 2: a bit at edgy art graffiti.
29:09
Speaker 17: In some of the lanes, but this is grott and
29:11
Speaker 17: grind now the Graves Lane, These are classics. These are
29:15
Speaker 17: places you want to go and visit. But tags, tags
29:18
Speaker 17: like this aren't the things you want to see here
29:19
Speaker 17: around Melbourne.
29:20
Speaker 12: They're not graffiti.
29:21
Speaker 17: That's just someone who wants to damage our city. And
29:23
Speaker 17: I think we need to respond and make sure we
29:25
Speaker 17: can clean it up as quick as possible, but have
29:28
Speaker 17: actions have consequences for the actions of these people who
29:30
Speaker 17: do it.
29:31
Speaker 2: You know, I can tell the health of a state
29:34
Speaker 2: by the appearance of a capital city, and this capital
29:38
Speaker 2: city looks and feels like I think a lot of
29:42
Speaker 2: Victorians feel.
29:43
Speaker 17: If you don't have a strong capital city, your whole
29:45
Speaker 17: state will struggle. And I think that's just realistic across
29:49
Speaker 17: the whole world. Your capital city needs to be the
29:51
Speaker 17: place that is your peak of tourism. This should be
29:54
Speaker 17: where the pride.
29:54
Speaker 19: Is well, I don't feel safe, particularly towards the train station.
30:00
Speaker 19: It is very dirty as well, so I don't believe
30:03
Speaker 19: that anyone is doing anything about it. And I definitely
30:06
Speaker 19: feel a little bit less safer than before than probably
30:10
Speaker 19: the Melbourne ten years ago or twenty years ago.
30:13
Speaker 18: I just think there's a higher tolerance for bad behavior
30:16
Speaker 18: and people, particularly the authority, are prepared to look the
30:20
Speaker 18: other way to allow things have to happen that shouldn't happen.
30:24
Speaker 18: I'd like to see a few more people walking around,
30:26
Speaker 18: a few more police walking around, and actually I think
30:30
Speaker 18: the visual presence sort of.
30:31
Speaker 2: Deters people, so I spit sketchy around the train stations.
30:35
Speaker 4: There are way too many in shops for sure.
30:38
Speaker 3: Since COVID they have to start.
30:40
Speaker 20: It up again.
30:41
Speaker 3: You're a dad of girls.
30:42
Speaker 2: I mean, would you feel that they were safe coming
30:44
Speaker 2: into town on Saturday night?
30:46
Speaker 17: I wouldn't even want them traveling on the trains in groups.
30:48
Speaker 17: Now we've got no PSOs at something in the stations.
30:51
Speaker 17: We've seen the crime rates that are increased and the genuine,
30:53
Speaker 17: not just feeling of unsafety, the actual outcomes of people
30:56
Speaker 17: not being safe. So do I want them to come
30:58
Speaker 17: in the city. I really want them to. I want
31:00
Speaker 17: to make sure they in a group, but I'm not
31:01
Speaker 17: having them cuts tap with public transport and out at
31:03
Speaker 17: the moment.
31:15
Speaker 2: Well, i'm place to say. Brad Baton, the shadow Police
31:17
Speaker 2: Minister of course, a former police officer, a former prison
31:20
Speaker 2: officer as well, joins me on the desk.
31:23
Speaker 3: We'll get to homelessness in.
31:24
Speaker 2: About it, but let's just start with the look, the
31:26
Speaker 2: fear of the grime, grot the empty shops in the city.
31:29
Speaker 2: The city looks like it's down and it's luck.
31:32
Speaker 21: Yeah, and it's those empty shops, which we saw was
31:34
Speaker 21: one of the biggest issues all the way along. It
31:36
Speaker 21: gives you the impression then that no one does care.
31:39
Speaker 21: And I think that's what we heard from people even
31:41
Speaker 21: speaking to them. And you don't have to listen to me.
31:43
Speaker 21: Some of those people you've spoken to then just spoke.
31:46
Speaker 21: They use the words grotty, dirty. Ten years ago, Melbourne
31:50
Speaker 21: was unbelievable. You always knew you could walk in here.
31:53
Speaker 21: It was clean, it was safe. I just don't think
31:55
Speaker 21: it's got that same feel anymore. And businesses are feeling
31:58
Speaker 21: they're not just they're gone, they're going and they're not
32:00
Speaker 21: coming back and we saw some signs at the pizza shop.
32:03
Speaker 3: Tragic.
32:04
Speaker 21: These are small businesses who have put everything into it
32:07
Speaker 21: and they've obviously not got the support that I have
32:09
Speaker 21: the police to keep the areas safe.
32:11
Speaker 3: That's a huge issue.
32:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was for viewers at home. A shop at
32:14
Speaker 2: the top of Collins Street, sorry, atop of Burke Street,
32:16
Speaker 2: towards Parliament, where you'd think there would be a police presence.
32:20
Speaker 2: A young family had built a business and they had
32:22
Speaker 2: to cut and run because their staff weren't safe at
32:26
Speaker 2: night and they didn't feel safe. A lot of customers
32:28
Speaker 2: in and out of the pizza shop. I guess you
32:31
Speaker 2: know you can't now avoid the homelessness all the way
32:35
Speaker 2: through Melbourne. And we can't name this individual because he
32:39
Speaker 2: was not there to give us media comment. But we
32:41
Speaker 2: ran into someone from the council who checks on all
32:44
Speaker 2: the people as they move around, which was good to
32:46
Speaker 2: hear that there is such a program. But he made
32:49
Speaker 2: the point, didn't he that ninety percent of these people
32:52
Speaker 2: sleeping rough actually have housing, They just don't have the
32:56
Speaker 2: other services they need to get off and stay off
32:59
Speaker 2: the drugs or to deal with mental health issues.
33:01
Speaker 21: And that's where I think the tragic part comes in
33:04
Speaker 21: and he spoke about some people obviously not going into
33:07
Speaker 21: their individual details, that have been two years living rough,
33:10
Speaker 21: but they actually have accommodation and they where they go
33:14
Speaker 21: back to the home, it's reconnecting them back to drugs.
33:17
Speaker 21: They haven't got the support services they need, and we've
33:19
Speaker 21: seen that more and more here in Victoria. And one
33:22
Speaker 21: of the biggest things. I'm a believer that we should
33:24
Speaker 21: have had arrest powers for drunk in a public place.
33:27
Speaker 21: It's not because I want to arrest people who are drunk,
33:29
Speaker 21: it's because then you can get the services for them
33:31
Speaker 21: to assist them. I'm happy with no fines and no penalty,
33:34
Speaker 21: but I actually think we need to give the police
33:36
Speaker 21: the powers back. That makes a difference because police can
33:39
Speaker 21: guide them, give them the right options.
33:41
Speaker 2: Though, how are we paying four hundred thousand dollars for
33:45
Speaker 2: workers on the suburban rail loop but we've got the
33:47
Speaker 2: city of Melbourne looking as bad as it does well.
33:50
Speaker 21: I think there's a great question for the government and
33:51
Speaker 21: I have to ask obviously the Mayor of Melbourne as well,
33:53
Speaker 21: what's he doing to campaign for the government.
33:55
Speaker 2: It says to be traveling overseas and on a fine
33:58
Speaker 2: sort of lark, but you know, happy to have him on.
34:00
Speaker 2: I'm happy to have you on, Nick, but I think
34:03
Speaker 2: the city looks looks terrible on his watch.
34:06
Speaker 21: Cleaning up graffiti like we can have programs quickly, a
34:09
Speaker 21: clinic graffiti. There's examples of this all the way through
34:12
Speaker 21: Victoria where some councils do it really well. Well, Melbourne
34:16
Speaker 21: Council should be one of the ones, the main ones
34:18
Speaker 21: that do it. Footpaths they just don't look they're just dirty.
34:22
Speaker 1: You know.
34:22
Speaker 21: I was up in Ballarat and they're actually clean. Scrub
34:25
Speaker 21: they were actually scrubbing the foot paths in Ballaratt last
34:27
Speaker 21: minles up there. They've got the big machines out and
34:29
Speaker 21: they make the place look magnificent. If Ballarat City Council
34:33
Speaker 21: can do it with bigger foot paths than we've got
34:35
Speaker 21: in Melbourne, why can't Melbourne.
34:36
Speaker 3: I was in.
34:37
Speaker 2: Miami in January in Ronda Santis, as you know, the
34:39
Speaker 2: Republican governor there has a no tolerance policy, and I'm
34:44
Speaker 2: driving along the road for about an hour and a
34:46
Speaker 2: half north of Miami, and I'm thinking.
34:49
Speaker 3: Why does it look different?
34:50
Speaker 2: Is it particularly sunny? No, It's January, which is winter
34:53
Speaker 2: in America. What's different? And I noticed all the way
34:56
Speaker 2: along this main highway a the lawns of mode. They're
35:00
Speaker 2: not manicure, but their mode. And there is no graffiti.
35:03
Speaker 2: As soon as graffiti comes up, it's gone. You say
35:07
Speaker 2: the government could do something about it, because private contractors
35:10
Speaker 2: do something about it.
35:11
Speaker 12: Brad, Yeah, we've seen it.
35:12
Speaker 21: So the Monash Freeway compared to the Eastern Freeway, what's
35:15
Speaker 21: the difference. Then one is privately operated, one is run
35:17
Speaker 21: by government and there's a condition in their contract where
35:20
Speaker 21: they have to clean graffiti within seven days if it's
35:23
Speaker 21: offensive within twenty four hours, but they don't live by
35:25
Speaker 21: the same motto for themselves. Any person that drives along
35:28
Speaker 21: the Monash now will know there's three or four signs
35:31
Speaker 21: now that you can no longer see what Rolin is
35:34
Speaker 21: to get off on it is that covered in graffiti.
35:36
Speaker 21: There's no such thing as a sound war without graffiti.
35:38
Speaker 21: And it's not what we said before ACDC Lane style
35:41
Speaker 21: of graffiti. It's just kids out there who have just
35:45
Speaker 21: crowded havoc, and well they do it continuously because they
35:49
Speaker 21: can get away with it.
35:50
Speaker 3: Just a quick one.
35:51
Speaker 2: It looks like Ben Carroll is ruling out challenging the premiere.
35:57
Speaker 3: Do you believe him?
35:58
Speaker 21: Yeah, he's got a bit of mixed language him today,
36:00
Speaker 21: say he's not a sprinter, he's a marathon runner, and
36:02
Speaker 21: whether he's waiting till after the winter break to get
36:04
Speaker 21: his marathon run. But it's up to the Labour Party
36:07
Speaker 21: to sort this out. The reality is, the more they're
36:10
Speaker 21: talking about this, the less they're focusing on Victorians, the
36:12
Speaker 21: less they're focusing on the fact that people are struggling
36:15
Speaker 21: across them, living our crime crisis, and they're not walking
36:18
Speaker 21: down the streets of Melbourne and seeing the issues.
36:20
Speaker 2: He says he's not going to challenge her. Let's take
36:22
Speaker 2: him in his word. That's not to stop her resigning
36:25
Speaker 2: before the election. Do you think that's at all possibility?
36:29
Speaker 21: If I if I was a betting man and I
36:30
Speaker 21: looked on sports bet, I'd be actually still putting money
36:32
Speaker 21: that she's going to be there at the next election.
36:34
Speaker 3: That's my view.
36:36
Speaker 21: But the more they're talking about that, the less we're
36:38
Speaker 21: talking about the real things that happening in Victoria.
36:40
Speaker 3: Right, I'll ove it there, Brad, thank you, thank you.
36:42
Speaker 2: Right after break all across to the UK, that crucial
36:45
Speaker 2: bi election on Thursday. It's a lot there in that
36:47
Speaker 2: race for Kirstarmer of course, but also Nigel Farage and
36:52
Speaker 2: reform and the Defense Secretary, the big boss there in
36:55
Speaker 2: the UK. He has resigned taken another minister with him.
36:59
Speaker 3: This is huge new use. We'll talk to Sophie Elsworth
37:01
Speaker 3: in a moment. Welcome back.
37:06
Speaker 2: Coming up the PM's bizarre strategy, you can even call
37:10
Speaker 2: it a strategy.
37:11
Speaker 3: To deal with one nation.
37:13
Speaker 2: But now to the fallout in the Starma government with
37:16
Speaker 2: the big defense resignations the Secretary of State for Defense
37:20
Speaker 2: and also the Armed Services Minister, so that's the cabinet
37:24
Speaker 2: level minister and the junior minister both dramatically pulling the
37:28
Speaker 2: pin last week just ahead of their meeting with Australian
37:31
Speaker 2: Defense Minister Richard Miles here to discuss it. Our Sky
37:36
Speaker 2: News correspondent News Corp European correspondent Sophie Elsworth. Well, these resignations, Sophie,
37:42
Speaker 2: all over the claim and I think the numbers bear
37:45
Speaker 2: this out, that there is not sufficient investment in the
37:48
Speaker 2: British military. This is a This is a claim also
37:52
Speaker 2: leveled to Australia, but it's been heard the fallout around the.
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Speaker 12: World it has.
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Speaker 20: Indeed, Peter, this was a massive resignation for the Starmer
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Speaker 20: government after we saw Defense Secretary John Healey Paul at
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Speaker 20: quits last week and he said that there's insufficient funds
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Speaker 20: being put towards defense spending here in the UK and
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Speaker 20: there's no plan for defense spending to reach three percent
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Speaker 20: of national income by twenty thirty. He's saying that it's
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Speaker 20: not good enough and that he'd lost faith in the
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Speaker 20: government and Peter, this is one of a string of
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Speaker 20: resignations of key ministers under a Sekre Starmer, a very
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Speaker 20: volatile time for him ahead of that upcoming by election
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Speaker 20: in Ashton in Makerfield on Thursday.
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Speaker 2: So do you think that some of these resignations are
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Speaker 2: people sort of putting a pin in the map should
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Speaker 2: Labor win the election and Starmer come under threat.
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Speaker 20: Absolutely, it appears to be a cohort of ministers tossing
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Speaker 20: in the tower and preparing for Andy Burnham, the Greater
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Speaker 20: Manchester mayor, if he is successful and wins that by election,
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Speaker 20: that Key by election on Thursday, to mount a challenge
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Speaker 20: against Sekir Starmer and then hopefully they get plumb portfolios.
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Speaker 20: So this is diabolical for Sekir's starmer. At the moment,
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Speaker 20: he's hanging on by a thread. Peter Many said he
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Speaker 20: should have gone weeks, if not months ago.
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Speaker 12: But it looks like we will.
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Speaker 20: Have a new prime minister here very soon if Andy
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Speaker 20: Burnham does win that by election here on Thursday.
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Speaker 2: All right, Well, Reform is in the race, and events
39:43
Speaker 2: in recent days and weeks in Britain I think would
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Speaker 2: suit the Reform argument. Is Burnham in the front running
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Speaker 2: seat there who's likely to.
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Speaker 12: Win, So he is ahead in the polls.
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Speaker 20: But there's a new Ipsos poll out today, Peter, that
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Speaker 20: says his approval rating is down to minus seven. It's
40:04
Speaker 20: dropped fifteen percentage points since last month. This is incredibly significant.
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Speaker 20: It shows there's a tightening of this race ahead of Thursday.
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Speaker 20: But Andy Burnham is the favorite to win this against
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Speaker 20: the Reform UK candidate, candidate who is a plumber, a
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Speaker 20: very working class candidate and someone who's seen very relatable.
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Speaker 20: But Andy Burnham is hugely popular in Greater Manchester. So
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Speaker 20: incredibly fascinating to watch these results come in, Peter.
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Speaker 2: And I just want to mention too that UK announced
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Speaker 2: today they're going to follow Australia and implement a social
40:42
Speaker 2: media band for under sixteens. I have to say many
40:44
Speaker 2: of the arguments that Starman was running today will run here.
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Speaker 2: It hasn't been that successful in Australia. There's no prosecutions,
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Speaker 2: there's no fines with the big players. Almost everyone I
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Speaker 2: know under the age sixteen is still on social media, Sophie.
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Speaker 2: But it's certainly getting news coverage where you are.
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Speaker 20: He is indeed, Peter, and they are talking an awful
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Speaker 20: lot here about Australia and whether or not it's worked,
41:09
Speaker 20: and also the fact that there have been significant challenges
41:13
Speaker 20: since the government in Australia introduced this ban in December.
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Speaker 20: But here starma been claimed in the media. He's rushed
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Speaker 20: this through ahead of the by election. But Peter will
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Speaker 20: not come into force until the spring next year, which
41:28
Speaker 20: is around March next year, until children under sixteen will
41:33
Speaker 20: be booted off social media.
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Speaker 2: We will see soph and I look forward to seeing
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Speaker 2: you next week. I'll head you away to London. Will
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Speaker 2: of course be at the ARC conference, the Alliance for
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Speaker 2: Responsible Citizenship there, but I'll be broadcasting from London on
41:47
Speaker 2: week You'll join miss Sophie, so will Christi.
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Speaker 3: Yulman and many others.
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Speaker 2: And I want to get into the whole issue of
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Speaker 2: deradicalization because Britain's been at it longer than any.
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Speaker 3: Other country in the world. Is it working? Is it not?
41:59
Speaker 2: What we can pick up here for Australia. I'll leave
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Speaker 2: it there, thanks, so see you soon. Right after the break.
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Speaker 2: Albaneze's plan to deal with One Nation, we'll talk about
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Speaker 2: that with someone from One Nation and the celebrity chef
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Speaker 2: who's dividing public opinion. He says, if Pauline Hanson becomes PM,
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Speaker 2: he's leaving the country. Welcome back, well, Anthony. Albaneze's strategy
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Speaker 2: to deal with it, ever, rising Pauline hands and he says,
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Speaker 2: is just to bide his time and let the wash,
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Speaker 2: the populace wash, go across and come back down at
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Speaker 2: the other side. So he thinks he's got a contest it.
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Speaker 2: He's not going to treat her like an opposition worthy
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Speaker 2: of the name, as an opponent worthy on the name.
42:47
Speaker 2: He's basically going to try and disregard her. Well, will
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Speaker 2: it work. I'm not so sure it will. John Mean
42:53
Speaker 2: now Skine is contributed at Lucy zeleg and One Nation's
42:56
Speaker 2: set it up a new South. While Sean Bell, well, Sean,
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Speaker 2: you'll get ignored and he thinks that'll just make you
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Speaker 2: go away, will it.
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Speaker 22: Peter? While Anthe Aberanese is claiming he's waiting for Australians
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Speaker 22: to come to their senses, the Australian public is waiting
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Speaker 22: for the Prime Minister to come to his I mean,
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Speaker 22: what an incredible act of denial to say we can
43:19
Speaker 22: just wait out this storm. Well he can't, because the
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Speaker 22: truth is the mobber upset. They're furious, and every time
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Speaker 22: they open a power bill, they're going to be reminded
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Speaker 22: of his lies. Every time they sit around the kitchen
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Speaker 22: table and food's more expensive, they're going to be reminded
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Speaker 22: of his lies. Every time someone goes to a house
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Speaker 22: inspection for a rental and they see lines around the corner,
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Speaker 22: they're going to be reminded of his lives. So you know,
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Speaker 22: if he thinks he can and waits and somehow people
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Speaker 22: are going to forget and forgive while I've got a
43:47
Speaker 22: wake up call for the Prime Minister because that is
43:48
Speaker 22: just never going to occur.
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Speaker 2: It's a bit like lucy the old adage, should treat
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Speaker 2: a man keep them keen I don't think that's going
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Speaker 2: to work anymore, Prime Minister.
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Speaker 23: No, it's just not going to wash anymore. Peter, great
44:01
Speaker 23: to be with you, you know. And this is a
44:04
Speaker 23: Labor Party, by the way, who are very obsessed with
44:06
Speaker 23: the polls. So the news for Anthony Alberanizi over the
44:09
Speaker 23: last few days has been really poor. We've also seen
44:13
Speaker 23: coming out of more left leaning publications that Pauline Hanson
44:17
Speaker 23: is now polling as the preferred PM, and we've got
44:20
Speaker 23: a host of things coming that will only serve One
44:23
Speaker 23: Nation in the way of Pauline Hanson addressing the National
44:27
Speaker 23: Press Club. We've also got the data on net migration
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Speaker 23: coming out from the Australian Bureau of Statistics, and this.
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Speaker 12: Orange wave, it cannot be arrested.
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Speaker 23: Regardless of how it's treated or what slurs are thrown
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Speaker 23: at it. It only seems to embolden the One Nation movement.
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Speaker 23: And you've made the point repeatedly, Peter, that for as
44:47
Speaker 23: long as people are arguing and there's still political discourse,
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Speaker 23: you are still in the running. But people have stopped
44:53
Speaker 23: listening to Labor and that is a very dangerous situation
44:57
Speaker 23: to be in when it comes to politics.
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Speaker 2: I also think comments like this from the celebrity chef
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Speaker 2: Neil Perry just further reinforce that. And it's not left
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Speaker 2: and right anymore. It's insider outside of Australia.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen to this.
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Speaker 15: We know you've got lots of fans and look, I
45:16
Speaker 15: can show you some of the text messages that are
45:18
Speaker 15: coming in right now from a whole range of people.
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Speaker 15: But it sounds like the celebrity chef Neil Perry. He's
45:23
Speaker 15: not a Pauline Hansen fan. He's been asked about you
45:27
Speaker 15: during an interview. This is Neil Perry, the celebrity chef.
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Speaker 2: Do you think Pauline could be Prime Minister of Australia.
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Speaker 3: I wouldn't think so.
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Speaker 5: But if she is, I won't be living in Australia.
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Speaker 15: Neil Perry reckons you'll leave the country if you become.
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Speaker 4: Primaristinct so what that doesn't worry me.
45:44
Speaker 3: I couldn't care less.
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Speaker 2: Well, water off a duck's backshean it's better for her
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Speaker 2: in many respects.
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Speaker 3: This works for her.
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Speaker 22: Look, I mean if I could pay Neil Perry to
45:57
Speaker 22: keep her repeat those comments, I would. If he does
46:00
Speaker 22: decide to leave, you know, perhaps the airline food would
46:02
Speaker 22: get a bit better. But the reality is when you've
46:05
Speaker 22: got people who are sort of in that elitist bubble
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Speaker 22: acting like you know, everyone else out there, he's confused
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Speaker 22: or foolish or silly, that's just going.
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Speaker 2: To you know.
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Speaker 22: It's that is the arrogance and the ignorance that has
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Speaker 22: driven this surge that no one saw coming. Because one
46:21
Speaker 22: nation is out there talking to people, we are listening
46:23
Speaker 22: to their concerns. We hear and when they say that
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Speaker 22: the cost living is through the roof, that they want
46:27
Speaker 22: to scrap that zero, that they want to end mass migration,
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Speaker 22: we hear them. And that is why we are so
46:31
Speaker 22: focused on addressing those core issues. So when people like
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Speaker 22: mister Perry and others sort of dismiss it, or they
46:37
Speaker 22: talk about Senator Hanson not not Havy, it makes me
46:42
Speaker 22: laugh because it is it is so it is it
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Speaker 22: to our benefit?
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Speaker 3: Well, I want to go to somebody.
46:48
Speaker 2: I opened up the top of the show with Ben
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Speaker 2: Robert Smith in court seeking today in Sydney to have
46:53
Speaker 2: his bail conditions varied to enable him to leave closer
46:57
Speaker 2: to his family. He wanted to go to the War
46:59
Speaker 2: Memorial for an event that was allowed. He wanted to
47:01
Speaker 2: march with the son who's about to enter the military
47:05
Speaker 2: of a mate who was killed in action in Afghanistan.
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Speaker 3: That was denied, Lucy.
47:10
Speaker 2: But we've also now got a former ISIS linked woman
47:14
Speaker 2: facing legal proceedings of her own that she's arguing she
47:17
Speaker 2: should be allowed out on bail because she has now
47:20
Speaker 2: rejected extremist ideology, and a lawyer is claiming the Evans
47:24
Speaker 2: shows she's not aligned now with the group she once joined.
47:30
Speaker 2: Are you satisfied with her professions of having turned her
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Speaker 2: life around?
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Speaker 12: Can anybom be satisfied with that?
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Speaker 23: I mean, if for the majority of US Australians observing
47:42
Speaker 23: everything that unfolded with Ben Robert Smith. And this is
47:45
Speaker 23: an issue that, as you know, have been very committed
47:48
Speaker 23: to unraveling because there are so many things about those
47:51
Speaker 23: circumstances that stink. But if people weren't satisfied with those circumstances,
47:55
Speaker 23: they certainly.
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Speaker 12: Shouldn't be satisfied with these circumstances. We sent these.
47:59
Speaker 23: Soldiers, including Ben Robert Smith, fight against ISIS and their
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Speaker 23: terrorist affiliates. And now we had a woman here led
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Speaker 23: with her husband from Melbourne over a decade ago to
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Speaker 23: join the Caliphate.
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Speaker 12: The caliphate ended up failing.
48:12
Speaker 23: They ultimately surrendered where they were held in a refugee camp,
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Speaker 23: which they described as hell. But that now we as
48:19
Speaker 23: Australians have to observe someone like that come back to
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Speaker 23: this country and try and plead that all that time
48:24
Speaker 23: spent over there was under the guise of oppression.
48:27
Speaker 12: This is a woman who has been charged with crimes against.
48:31
Speaker 23: Humanity, who observed one of her husband rape, allegedly rape
48:35
Speaker 23: and abuse one of their Yazidi slaves that they took
48:39
Speaker 23: in and paid ten thousand US dollars for. And we're
48:42
Speaker 23: supposed to feel sympathy. We're supposed to believe that now
48:45
Speaker 23: all of a sudden, because things didn't go in their favor,
48:48
Speaker 23: that they are against ISIS and denouncing them.
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Speaker 9: I mean.
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Speaker 23: One of the comments that I found to be very
48:52
Speaker 23: interesting that her lawyer argued. Miss Armad's lawyer argued was
48:55
Speaker 23: that once she got into the refugee camp she removed
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Speaker 23: her face and started.
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Speaker 12: To wear color because she was sick of being controlled
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Speaker 12: by people. Well, that's interesting.
49:05
Speaker 23: The AFP photographs of her when she was arrested at
49:08
Speaker 23: Melbourne Airport on the seventh of May show her still
49:11
Speaker 23: in head to toe black wearing her hi job as
49:14
Speaker 23: have caught caricatures of her. So I don't think that
49:17
Speaker 23: we should be in a position to believe anybody, because
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Speaker 23: what I dare say is a lot of them will
49:22
Speaker 23: be saying whatever they can to be released on bail.
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Speaker 2: I think I share your skepticism, Lucy, and I do
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Speaker 2: commend you on your work exploring some of the issues
49:33
Speaker 2: the treatment, particularly by police of ben Robin Smith.
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Speaker 3: Well, don't you.
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Speaker 2: I'll leave it there, Thank you you both, Thank you
49:38
Speaker 2: Sean as well. I will not be with you tomorrow
49:40
Speaker 2: night or Thursday. The wonderful Steve Price will be sitting
49:43
Speaker 2: here here, but I will pick you up on Monday.
49:45
Speaker 2: I'll we in London. I've got a huge four year
49:48
Speaker 2: next week out of London. Other forward to your company then.
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Speaker 2: But right now is Andrew Bot