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FRANTIC SEARCH FOR MISSING MARIA, 12, ENDS: FOUND 600 MILES AWAY WITH MALE SUSPECT · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: The frantic search for missing Maria, a twelve year old
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  Speaker 2: little girl ends six hundred miles away with a thirty
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  Speaker 2: four year old Guatemalan national. I means he Grace, this
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  Speaker 2: is Crime Stories, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 3: Twelve year old Georgia girl Maria Gomez Perez vanishes from
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  Speaker 3: her home driveway. Now a desperate search ensues to bring
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  Speaker 3: Maria home.
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  Speaker 1: A little twelve.
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  Speaker 2: Year old girl, Maria goes missing from her own home.
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  Speaker 2: Her parents' fear she has been lured by a much
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  Speaker 2: older man. What does that have to do with a
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  Speaker 2: thirty four year old Guatemalan national?
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  Speaker 1: Think about it.
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  Speaker 2: Your twelve year old little girl goes from your own home.
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  Speaker 1: Listen at this point, do you believe she's in danger?
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  Speaker 4: Well, she's twelve years old and she's been going week
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  Speaker 4: and a half, So that kind of answers your question.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I mean, she's a child, and to be
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  Speaker 4: gone that long's that's a serious issue. And you know,
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  Speaker 4: so there's so many possibilities where she could be in
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  Speaker 4: what could have happened to her, And so we're exploring
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  Speaker 4: every single avenue that we possibly can. But yes, I
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  Speaker 4: do consider her in danger very much.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't understand the question post to l E
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  Speaker 2: law enforcement is she in danger? Hgl yees, she's in danger.
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  Speaker 2: I mean John Pezorro joining me, our CEO of raven
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  Speaker 2: Forming New Jersey State Police Commander on Crimes against Children Internet, John.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Somebody actually asked, do
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  Speaker 1: you think she's in danger? Yes?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, a little twelve year old girl is taken from
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  Speaker 2: her home and signs take us to a thirty four
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  Speaker 2: year old grown man. Yes, she's in danger.
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  Speaker 1: Why would they even ask that?
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  Speaker 5: I must as rhetorical. I have no idea. Of course
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  Speaker 5: she's in danger, and that's what's happening today. You know,
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  Speaker 5: just from an Internet based aspect, it doesn't matter the apps.
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  Speaker 5: You know, we have offenders reaching out to children all
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  Speaker 5: the time, and a twelve year old with an adult
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  Speaker 5: who's unknown. Of course she's in danger.
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  Speaker 2: A thirty four year old Guatemalan national. You're hearing from
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  Speaker 2: John PaSoRi, but listen to this.
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  Speaker 4: On Thursday, May thirtieth, twelve year old Maria Gomez Perez
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  Speaker 4: was reported missing to our agency. That report set into
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  Speaker 4: motion a large law enforcement and community effort to find Maria.
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  Speaker 4: We are all doing everything within our power to bring
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  Speaker 4: Maria home safe and sound. And make no mistake, the
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  Speaker 4: men and women of the Sheriff's Office and numerous other
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  Speaker 4: agencies have Maria's image burned in our hearts and into
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  Speaker 4: our minds.
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  Speaker 2: Almost immediately, her family fears she has been lured online.
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  Speaker 2: We are talking about a twelve year old little girl.
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  Speaker 4: Listen, she may have come in contact with someone that
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  Speaker 4: she did make contact with to leave that day from
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  Speaker 4: her house. Identifying that person and trying to find out
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  Speaker 4: who that is and where they went. There's the key
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  Speaker 4: to it.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me right now, an all star panel to make
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  Speaker 2: sense of what we know right now. But before I
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  Speaker 2: go to investigative reporter Nora Amazon to Titania Jordan, chief
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  Speaker 2: parent office with BART Parental Controls and author of Parenting
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  Speaker 2: and a Tech World.
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  Speaker 1: All right, just hearing that is scary parenting in a
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  Speaker 1: tech world? Explain to me immediately.
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  Speaker 2: Family was concerned that this twelve year old little girl
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  Speaker 2: had been lured by somebody online. And you know, parents
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  Speaker 2: think my child's not on filling the blank, TikTok, snat,
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  Speaker 2: you name it. They get their hands on the internet,
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  Speaker 2: whether it's on their phone, whether it's a friend's iPad,
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  Speaker 2: whether they're playing a game online.
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  Speaker 1: Like Minecraft, you can actually talk to the.
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  Speaker 2: People that you're playing with online or at the school
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  Speaker 2: or at the library.
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  Speaker 1: To Tanya, they get online, they do, Nancy.
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  Speaker 6: And the unfortunate part is that there are at least
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  Speaker 6: five hundred thousand predators online at any time trying to
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  Speaker 6: talk with, form relationships with, and lure our children.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on just a moment, how do you know that?
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  Speaker 2: To Tanya Jordan, to Tanya joining us from bark, how
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  Speaker 2: do you know that as we speak right now, there
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  Speaker 2: are at least half a million predators? And I don't
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  Speaker 2: mean casually, like they've gotten their iPad up beside them
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  Speaker 2: while they're watching murder, She wrote, I don't mean that
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  Speaker 2: they are actively trolling, actively like a job trying to
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  Speaker 2: find children.
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  Speaker 1: How do you know that figure? At least a half
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  Speaker 1: a million online right now?
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  Speaker 6: At least it's based on data from the FBI. Our
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  Speaker 6: fellow guest John Pizzerro can corroborate that with me. And
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  Speaker 6: that's the known amount. There are so many more that
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  Speaker 6: we don't know about.
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  Speaker 1: The known amount? What about it, Bizzorro? Is she right?
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  Speaker 1: At least five.
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  Speaker 2: Hundred thousand right now as we're talking that are online
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  Speaker 2: actively trolling.
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  Speaker 5: There's one hundred thousand IP addresses right right now in
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  Speaker 5: the United States that are actually trading known active images
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  Speaker 5: with eight to thirteen victims each. So those are just
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  Speaker 5: file sharing systems. So Titanya is right. I mean it's
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  Speaker 5: at least five hundred thousand.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm trying to figure this out. I think I
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  Speaker 1: need a shrink.
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Jeff Gardier joining us BORDS, certified clinical Psychologist, Professor
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  Speaker 2: at Turo College, America's psychologist and contributing author with Practical
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  Speaker 2: Parenting The Cause.
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  Speaker 1: Of Autism, Doctor Jeff Cardier.
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  Speaker 2: Is great to have you with us tonight, Doctor Jeff,
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  Speaker 2: How do we get my head around this? Because I
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  Speaker 2: watch my children, the twins.
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  Speaker 1: All the time?
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  Speaker 2: What are you doing online online? Who are you talking to?
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  Speaker 2: Who's on the phone, who are you playing? What's the
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  Speaker 2: game where you build things on Minecraft?
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  Speaker 1: Minecraft? Who are you playing Minecraft? With? All that? Because
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  Speaker 1: I know that when.
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  Speaker 2: They're playing these games online, they're playing with someone, and
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  Speaker 2: I always insist it be somebody that they know in
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  Speaker 2: real life, but I don't know they see it as
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  Speaker 2: so innocent. Doctor Jeff that they may not always follow
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  Speaker 2: that rule.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 7: And the other thing that we know from that FBI
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  Speaker 7: statistic the kids who tend to play these games are
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  Speaker 7: very young. And so that statistic you just heard from
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  Speaker 7: our guests, we can add to that that fifty percent
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  Speaker 7: of the victims from that half million of those predators
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  Speaker 7: are between the ages of twelve to fifteen. So we
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  Speaker 7: have to be really careful with what our kids are playing.
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  Speaker 7: So and part of that is blaming our youngsters for
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  Speaker 7: being online and not understanding it doesn't matter who they're
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  Speaker 7: talking to.
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  Speaker 1: What they're doing.
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  Speaker 7: They are victims. They are children, and these are adult
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  Speaker 7: predators coming after them.
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  Speaker 2: A thirty four year old Guatemalan national is in the
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  Speaker 2: cross heres right now with missing Maria just twelve joining me.
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  Speaker 2: A high profile criminal defense attorney. You've seen him in
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  Speaker 2: the knees, Derek Smith, practicing out of the Ohio jurisdiction,
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  Speaker 2: and you can find him at d Wsmithlegal dot com
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  Speaker 2: now offense. But I hope I never need you, Derek Smith.
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  Speaker 2: The progression that we have seen it has been very rapid.
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  Speaker 1: In the past.
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  Speaker 2: When there would be a let's just say a rape case,
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  Speaker 2: the defense attorney not you, of course, because you're different.
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  Speaker 2: Would say, oh, she's never met he's never met her.
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  Speaker 2: This is completely bogus. Then, as it would turn out,
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  Speaker 2: there'd be a witness spotting the two of them at
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  Speaker 2: a restaurant or a bar, and then the defendant would go, oh, wait, yes,
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  Speaker 2: now that I think about it, I did run into her.
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  Speaker 2: Then the witness says, actually he followed her out, and
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  Speaker 2: he says, oh, you know what, You're right, I'll offer
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  Speaker 2: to walk her to her car, but that was it.
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  Speaker 1: Then it turns out that, let's just.
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  Speaker 2: Say, there's a DNA on her body. Then he goes, well,
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  Speaker 2: now that you mention it, we did have consensual sex,
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  Speaker 2: but she initiated it was totally consensual. I mean you
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  Speaker 2: see the progression of the defense going. And somehow there's
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  Speaker 2: blame on the victim. Okay, that scenario exists. But now,
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  Speaker 2: believe it or not, Derek Smith, and I'm sure you've
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  Speaker 2: seen it in court.
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  Speaker 1: The victims, child victims, twelve year old girl?
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  Speaker 2: What is that fifth grade is being shamed because they're
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  Speaker 2: online that somehow it's their fault.
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  Speaker 1: Are you seeing that in the modern day defenses? Oh?
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  Speaker 8: I mean absolutely, Nancy, and you forgot one part too,
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  Speaker 8: that they always claim they didn't know she was under age.
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  Speaker 8: She said she was eighteen, showed her pictures of different people,
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  Speaker 8: you know, whatever they can think of to conjure up
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  Speaker 8: some kind of defense. And you know, maybe I'm a
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  Speaker 8: little guilty that myself when I have to defend them.
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  Speaker 8: But the truth is this internet crime has been skyrocketing
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  Speaker 8: over the past decade and I don't see it getting
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  Speaker 8: any better. I mean, I have, you know, eleven year
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  Speaker 8: old myself, and I have to monitor everything online that
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  Speaker 8: he does because of all the predators out there and
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  Speaker 8: the things that I see in the core room. It's
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  Speaker 8: a very frightening time in paracy to be diligent. They
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  Speaker 8: need to be aware of what their children are doing
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  Speaker 8: online because these predators will just come after them unbeknownst
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  Speaker 8: to the children.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and also it's a whole nother, a whole nother
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  Speaker 2: phase of criminal defense because now you have to be
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  Speaker 2: an internet expert and a computer tech expert. To John
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  Speaker 2: Pizzorro joining us, the CEO of Raven former Task Force
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  Speaker 2: relating to Internet crimes against children, John Bisorro, do people
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  Speaker 2: the purpse not realize that when you text, write exchange photos.
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  Speaker 2: We can get your IP Internet provider address. That's like
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  Speaker 2: a computer fingerprint. Do they not get that?
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  Speaker 5: Most of them don't, and thank god because that's how
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  Speaker 5: we catch them.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 5: So, I think from a technology standpoint, it's from their
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  Speaker 5: screen name, from how they sign up. Look offenders, what
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  Speaker 5: they'll do is they'll take steps, they'll use fake names. However,
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  Speaker 5: at the end of the day, they need an IP
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  Speaker 5: address really to get on, so I think that's where
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  Speaker 5: they don't understand. Sometimes. You know, some offenders a little
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  Speaker 5: bit more complex than others. I don't want to give
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  Speaker 5: away what some people can do, but you know there
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  Speaker 5: are things to hide and mask your IP address. But
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  Speaker 5: for the most part, offenders don't understand that technology. The
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  Speaker 5: sophisticated ones do, and we'll take measures to do that,
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  Speaker 5: but a lot of times it's complacency. All you need
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  Speaker 5: to do is not do it once and that's where
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  Speaker 5: law enforcement can use their own technology to find you.
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  Speaker 2: Joining Me Now investigative reporter Naura almazan author, writer, editor
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  Speaker 2: and reporter for it Now. Haversham Naura, thank you so
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  Speaker 2: much for being with us in the last hours of
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  Speaker 2: breaking news in the search for this little twelve year
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  Speaker 2: old girl, Nora, how did she go?
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  Speaker 1: Miss? What happened?
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  Speaker 9: You have this little girl who has tons of time
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  Speaker 9: on her hands because her dad is working in the
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  Speaker 9: factory during the day, uncle is at night, and so
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  Speaker 9: she has a lot of time to be on the
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  Speaker 9: internet and apparently was communicating with a lot of different
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  Speaker 9: men on the internet. Probably didn't know that their age
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  Speaker 9: or anything like that, and they come and pick her up.
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  Speaker 2: With me, is investigative reporter Nora Almazan. The image you
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  Speaker 2: just conjured up is sickening. You've got a twelve year
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  Speaker 2: old little girl at home. It's summer break, Dad's at work,
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  Speaker 2: Uncle comes home in the evening.
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  Speaker 1: Mom is not in.
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  Speaker 2: The home, and there she is at home all day
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  Speaker 2: playing online.
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  Speaker 1: How often do we see that all the time?
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  Speaker 2: She has no idea that these grown men are circling
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  Speaker 2: her like wolves.
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  Speaker 9: Absolutely, and that's exactly how it happened, because she's just
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  Speaker 9: got time on her hands. And unfortunately, many of the
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  Speaker 9: people in the Hispanic community don't understand that there's boys
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  Speaker 9: and girls clubs and there are avenues that she could
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  Speaker 9: have gone to. But she's at home by herself, on
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  Speaker 9: the internet, and she's just open.
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  Speaker 10: Pray at this point, do you believe she's in danger?
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  Speaker 4: Well, she's twelve years old and she's been going week
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  Speaker 4: and a halfs. I mean, she's a child, and to
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  Speaker 4: be gone that long, that's a serious issue.
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  Speaker 3: Twelve year old Georgia girl Maria Gomez Perez vanishes from
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  Speaker 3: her home driveway. Now a desperate search ensues to bring
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  Speaker 3: Maria home.
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  Speaker 4: I do consider her in danger very much so.
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  Speaker 2: That rewards skyrocketing to fifty thousand dollars in the search
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  Speaker 2: for twelve year old Maria.
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  Speaker 4: Listen to this investigation as a termined that mister Augustin
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  Speaker 4: drove from his home in Ohio to Gainesville and picked
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  Speaker 4: up Maria on Wednesday, May the twenty ninth. They traveled
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  Speaker 4: back to Ohio that same day and to our knowledge,
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  Speaker 4: have been there ever since.
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  Speaker 2: To Jeff a Guard Deer, renowned psychologist and professor at Truro, Jeff,
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  Speaker 2: a thirty four year old man drives all the way
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  Speaker 2: from Ohio to Georgia just to get a hold of
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  Speaker 2: a kidnap a twelve year old little girl.
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  Speaker 1: What is the thinking?
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  Speaker 7: I think we're looking at a pure predator here, someone
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  Speaker 7: who would do something so horrific and this isn't just
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  Speaker 7: about possibly his carnal desire. This is about someone taking
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  Speaker 7: some a girl, of a twelve year old girl, from
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  Speaker 7: her home, from her family, from her father.
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Jeff, did you just say this is not just
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  Speaker 2: about carnal desire.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I feel like I'm reading from the Old
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  Speaker 1: Testament carnal desire in my world. You know what that means?
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  Speaker 1: Child rape? That's what that means.
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  Speaker 2: Is that what you're trying to say in your psychological terminology? Okay,
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  Speaker 2: So he travels all the way from Ohio to Georgia,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm gonna let Derek Smith, he practices in Ohio,
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  Speaker 2: figure out how.
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  Speaker 1: Long we drive that six hundred miles?
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  Speaker 2: So he drives six hundred miles, doctor Jeff Gardier, And
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  Speaker 2: you say it's not for child sex.
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  Speaker 1: What are they going to have a tea party when
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  Speaker 1: he gets there?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 7: I certainly believe that, of course, that it is about
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  Speaker 7: sexual exploitation in many, many different ways. But what I'm
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  Speaker 7: also saying is what is so horrific about this, In
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  Speaker 7: addition to this person being a predator, is not even
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  Speaker 7: caring about the damage to this young girl emotionally and physically,
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  Speaker 7: but also the damage to the family and to the community.
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  Speaker 7: It's a very tight knit community.
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  Speaker 1: You are essentially taking that pers Jeff, Yes, I just
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  Speaker 1: want the girl to be alive. You're talking about the community.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Well, can we please put the horse in front
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  Speaker 2: of the cart. Okay, the girl is taken from her
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  Speaker 2: home by a thirty four year old man. First, you
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  Speaker 2: tell me it's not about cardinal desire. I a child sex.
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  Speaker 2: Now you're talking about the community. Can we talk about
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  Speaker 2: what's going through this perv's mind for six hundred miles
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  Speaker 2: on his way to get.
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  Speaker 1: A twelve year old little girl. He knews she was twelve.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, and certainly I don't want to be misunderstood here, Nancy.
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  Speaker 7: That is perhaps the primary, absolutely the primary reason in
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  Speaker 7: my mind that he's going after her. But I'm talking
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  Speaker 7: about not just the damage this will cause her for
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  Speaker 7: the rest of her life, but the dread and the
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  Speaker 7: fear and the anxiety and the loss to the family
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  Speaker 7: not knowing where their daughter is.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's got to.
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  Speaker 2: Be excruciating to Naura Almazon joining us, if 's to
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  Speaker 2: get a reporter with now Habersham, Nura, I know that
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  Speaker 2: the mom is not.
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  Speaker 1: In a picture.
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  Speaker 2: Dad works every single day, I believe six days a week.
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  Speaker 2: The uncle comes in when the dad's not there to
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  Speaker 2: watch after the little girl, and then they find out
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  Speaker 2: she's gone.
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  Speaker 1: Did she go missing from the driveway? Is that where
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  Speaker 1: she was last seen? Exactly?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, the car pulled up, she got in it, and
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  Speaker 9: I don't know if her expectations. We don't really know
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  Speaker 9: yet what her expectations were of the person who was
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  Speaker 9: picking her up. I can't believe that a twelve year
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  Speaker 9: old would want to get in a car with a
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  Speaker 9: thirty four year old man. So something had to be
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  Speaker 9: different for her, and she had to have been afraid.
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  Speaker 9: But she did get in the car and took off.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: To Tania Jordan, let's follow up on what Noura is saying.
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  Speaker 2: Very often in cases I've handled, and there have been
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  Speaker 2: so many of them, and I'd like to get Derek Smith,
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  Speaker 2: a veteran trial lawyer, to jump in on this as well.
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  Speaker 2: To Tanya, very often, and we just saw this as
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  Speaker 2: a matter of fact. In the Delphi double murder of
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  Speaker 2: Abby and Libby, the two little girls that were walking
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  Speaker 2: on the trestle bridge for about a minute, police were
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  Speaker 2: looking at a guy that was posting online he looked
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  Speaker 2: like a Justin Bieber looked alike.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't look anything like that at all.
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  Speaker 2: He was up in his thirties, just looked nothing like
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  Speaker 2: this hot young guy that he was portraying himself to be.
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  Speaker 1: And we see very often to Tanya the.
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  Speaker 2: Purp acts like they're the age of the victim of
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  Speaker 2: the target.
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  Speaker 1: And they go online.
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  Speaker 2: To Tanya and go, hey, I see that you've got
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  Speaker 2: a picture of you in a soccer uniform.
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  Speaker 1: I play soccer. Where do you play soccer?
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  Speaker 2: In other words, where do you go to school? And
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: then they go, oh, is that far from your home?
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Where do you live? And then they find out the
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: home address. It goes on and on and on. But
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: they hook the child by.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Pretending to be a child themselves, and they get a
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: hold of pictures and if the control room could pull
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: up the photo that was used in the del Fi
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: cases turned out not to be the killer, and the
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: photo that was used I believe was actually a cop,
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: a picture of a young cop from some other jurisdiction
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: had nothing to do.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: With the case. So they use these photos they.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Get online of a young boy and that's who the
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: thanks they're talking to.
• 20:02
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you have just described the grooming process that is
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: happening every single day with children across the nation. And
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: predators not only groom children via text. Now they can
• 20:14
  Speaker 6: use the filters that come into Instagram and TikTok and
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: other entities to turn them into young children in real time,
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: both photo based and video based. And I have tested them.
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: I have used them, and I have been able to
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: interact with predators in real time and it's stomach turning.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Okay, tell me what happened to Dagna.
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: Oh my goodness, So you know, pick your poison. In
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: some cases, I use TikTok because they have not only
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: a live video filter where I take my forty three
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: year old self and I can tweak the settings to
• 20:47
  Speaker 6: make me look, you know, thirteen to sixteen years old,
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: and so they think I'm a child. We start talking,
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: they ask me to meet up, and that's when I
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: call law enforcement.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: Weeks pass and own no sign of little Maria Gomez Perez,
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: a twelve year old Georgia girl who disappeared from her
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: own home. Authorities began to look elsewhere, going as far
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: as Texas and Tennessee.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: H profile lawyer Derek Smith from the Ohio jurisdiction joining
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: us right now that six hundred miles.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Think about it.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: If you're in Core representing this guy, you're up the
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: creek without a paddle, Derek, Because think six hundred miles.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: What is that ten hours if you're going sixty mph?
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Ten hours to think about what you're doing, to think.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: About the twelve year old little.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Girl at the end of your journey, all those hours
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: planning what he's going to do when he gets to
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: this little girl's home.
• 21:53
  Speaker 8: I hope that she's healthy and that she's okay, and
• 21:58
  Speaker 8: we'll wait to see what the evidence brings out as
• 22:00
  Speaker 8: far as any kind of possible defenses for this animal.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: But guys, what was the break in the case? Listen?
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: The break in the case came last week when Maria
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: contacted her father via Facebook messenger. She had created a
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: new Facebook page so she could reach out to him
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: to tell him that she was okay and that she
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: was not coming home, and she also asked him to
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: stop looking for mister goatmez Alonzo told our investigators about
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: the message, and members of our Special Investigations Unit obtained
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: the IP address of the Facebook page and we're able
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: to find the phone number associated with that account.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: It's amazing to me, with all of the information out
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: there regarding Maria going.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Missing, that no one noticed this guy.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Traveling ten hours plus with a twelve year old little girl.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Joining us in all Star panel to make sense of
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: what we're understanding right now.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: To Nora Almazan, listen.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: Marie was found yesterday in the company of a third
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: one year old man, Antonio Augustine. He's a Guatemalan native
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: and he had been living in northeastern Ohio. We believe
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: Maria had been communicating for a time with mister Augustin
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: via Facebook, Messenger and some other online apps.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: To Naura Amazon, joining us from now Habersham, Naura again,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. We now understand that
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: he's actually thirty four.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Where were they.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: In a home, in an apartment, in a car in
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: at RV.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Where were they when she was found?
• 23:33
  Speaker 9: Well, you know, they had actually just been to a
• 23:35
  Speaker 9: swimming pool. So exactly to your question as to how
• 23:40
  Speaker 9: did people not notice, Well, you think about it, he
• 23:43
  Speaker 9: could easily be she could easily be his daughter. But
• 23:46
  Speaker 9: they located them in a shopping mall as they left
• 23:50
  Speaker 9: the swimming pool, so it wasn't like he just happened
• 23:53
  Speaker 9: to take her swimming that day. They had been out
• 23:56
  Speaker 9: in the community. And I love when it said safely located. Yes,
• 24:01
  Speaker 9: she was alive.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: She was alive.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: I'm glad you made that distinction, Nora, because when a child,
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: a twelve year old little girl, has been with a
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: thirty four year old man for that long, you don't
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: think he had sex with a child, which equals statutory rape.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: I'm having a hard time taking that in.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know that this child will ever be the
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: same again after that.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Listen to what we've learned.
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: They were able to track the phone to a residence
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: back in Dover, Ohio, and believing that this information was
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: a credible lead to Maria's location, we sent four investigators
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: from our Criminal Investigations Bureau to Dover this week. They
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: were able to track the phone to the Dover City
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: swimming pool, where they made visual contact with Maria and
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: mister Augustin.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: You know what that tells me?
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: To John Pizzuro, CEO of Raven and formerly with a
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: New Jersey Task Force on Internet Crimes against Children, John,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: so often we hear, well, you just can't get those
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: records that takes a subpoena.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: They were able to track the phone immediately to a
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: swimming pool and there they made.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Quote visual contact.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: In other words, spotted the twelve year old little girl
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: with the thirty four year old Guatemalan national. I don't
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: know his status. I don't know if he's rightfully in
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: our country yet. I don't know if he's an illegal alien.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know any of that yet, but I do
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: know he's a Guatemalan national.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: So they got that.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Information and this is all stemming from an IP Internet
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: provider address.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: They find out that he has been.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Targeting Maria online. They get the IP address, they get
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: his cell phone. He was probably using his phone to
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: communicate with Maria, So they get that cell number and
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: they immediately ping it to a swimming pool.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Just like that.
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: Law enforcement has that ability even with app companies. When
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: there's something ex you know, you kind of bypass the
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: actual process. Normally, it takes us a while from a
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: law enforcement perspective, to get information back, but when it's
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: exegent and someone's in danger, especially in this case, usually
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: they can get that information back very quickly.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: And there's more They spot the little girl with the
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: thirty four year old man at a swimming pool, and then.
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: When the two got into a vehicle and traveled to
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: a nearby shopping center parking lot, our agents along with
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: members of the Tuscarrawis County Sheriff's Office, followed them. They
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: recovered Marie at the scene and mister Augustine was arrested.
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: Maria was taken to a local hospital for a wellness
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: check and as I said a moment ago, she will
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: be coming back home here to Gaineswelle.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: Today, twelve year old Maria's father is desperate for answers
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: weeks after his daughter seemingly vanishes from their home. Then
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: a mysterious message pops up on his face Facebook page.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Take listen to what the Hall County Sheriff Gerald couch
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: I had to say.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: I can't let this moment go but without imploring our parents,
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: grandparents and guardians to watch over their children very closely.
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: Technology is a wonderful thing. It helped us locate Maria,
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: but also technology can also be used for evil. It's
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: from Maria was able to lead game with a stranger
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: and traveled nine hours away from home. So please know
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: what your children are doing and who they're communicating with.
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: There are most vulnerable and our most valuable citizens, and
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: it's our duty to take care of them.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Just think about it.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: To Tanya Jordan Titania joining us from Bark, which is
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: a highly highly sensitive app that you put on your
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: children's phones and devices and it alerts you on your
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: phone when it picks up any troubling words. And here's
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: a great example, which I've told before to Tanya. My son,
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: John Day David plays basketball and soccer. He made a
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: great save playing soccer, but he went through the net
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: diving and had a huge.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Bruise on his arm.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Of course, he was proud of the bruise and saving
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: you know, the goal, and he showed the bruise off
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: in a picture to some of his friends. I immediately
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: got an alert that said John David self harm.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: My what he's six six any ways.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know one hundred and eighty pounds self harm really,
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: and I went and saw what it was bragging about.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: He saved the goal.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: He was so happy, you know, he's proud. So that's
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: how sensitive Bark is. My point is, think about it.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: After these communications with a grown man thirty.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Four years old.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: She is then in the car with him nearly ten
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: hours and the whole time all this guy wants to do,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: we believe, is at her home to have sex with
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: a twelve year old little girl.
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: It's so heartbreaking, it's stomach turning. Like I've said before,
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: you know, not only does Bark have an app, but
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: we also have a smartphone now and for families who
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: choose the Bark smartphone, you can see your child's live
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: location in real time. And so if this family had
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: had that, they might have been able to find her sooner.
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: Not only that, not only does Bark alert you to
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: self harm and violence, but it alerts you to predation.
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: Our algorithm detects the nuances of adults trying to groom children,
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: and we can alert you to those conversations before they
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: become kidnappings and murders.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Who is this thirty four year old guy, Listen Antonio Augustin,
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Guatemala national in his early thirties, has been living in Dover,
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Ohio for at least three years.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: Ice has placed a hold on Augustine, but his immigration
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: status has not been confirmed.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, daughter, Jeff Gardier, you see this guy, he's just
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: been busted with a twelve year old little girl.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: He drove six hundred miles to get her, took her.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: You heard Nora Almazan state, the car pulled up in
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: the driveway, she jumped in and left just like that.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Then he drives another ten hours back home and he
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: is busted. A thirty four year old Guatemala national with
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: a twelve year old little girl from Georgia. Why is
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: he smiling in his mugshot?
• 30:29
  Speaker 7: We see this, I've seen this before, and this is
• 30:33
  Speaker 7: someone who would fit the profile of being a very
• 30:37
  Speaker 7: depraved individual who doesn't care about what has happened with
• 30:43
  Speaker 7: this little girl. Maybe trying to put up a false
• 30:46
  Speaker 7: front that he is innocent and they were in some
• 30:50
  Speaker 7: sort of a consensual relationship, but it really does show
• 30:56
  Speaker 7: perhaps what is going on inside of this person's mind
• 31:00
  Speaker 7: that he does not care about the welfare of this youngster.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: To Derek Smith, joining US veteran trial lawyer in that
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: jurisdiction of Ohio where the alleged child molester is found,
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: let me just go with alleged kidnapper for now, because
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: we know there's going to have to be a rape
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: kid and all sorts of forensic questioning investigation before any
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: further charges are brought.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: To Derek Smith.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know how you do it, because very often
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: I have one particular judge where we would do pre
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: trial negotiations with me, the prosecutor, the defense attorney, and
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: the perp in the room with the two of us,
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: and very often not always, of course, but I would
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: look at the perp and he would look perfectly normal,
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: Like I could see him walking beside me in the
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: grocery store, pulling up at a red light. You look
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: at this guy with that smile on his face, and
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: you might think, Okay, he's fine.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: He's not.
• 32:00
  Speaker 8: Absolutely how can you be fine when you're thirty four
• 32:03
  Speaker 8: year old man taking a twelve year old from her father.
• 32:06
  Speaker 8: That's one thing. But when to the doctor's point talking
• 32:10
  Speaker 8: about how he's looking, he maybe thinks in his mind
• 32:14
  Speaker 8: that he was doing her a favor. She was unhappy
• 32:17
  Speaker 8: at home, she would didn't want to be there, and
• 32:19
  Speaker 8: he took her to a better life here in Ohio
• 32:22
  Speaker 8: and took her to the pool, took her shopping.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: I'm to a better life.
• 32:28
  Speaker 8: I'm throwing some ideas out there, Nancy. I'm trying to
• 32:30
  Speaker 8: think why in God's creation.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Would a man do just spitballing? Yeah, just kind of.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, did you just say he did her a
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: favor in his mind?
• 32:39
  Speaker 8: I'm not saying they did that. He did that favor
• 32:41
  Speaker 8: to the father, or the family, or the community of Gainesville,
• 32:44
  Speaker 8: or the state of Ohio. He didn't do any of that.
• 32:46
  Speaker 8: But I'm hoping maybe that there was no nefarious activity
• 32:50
  Speaker 8: between the two. Maybe he just.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Wanted you mean, other than the kidnapped.
• 32:54
  Speaker 8: Other than that, of course, other than that. I'm just
• 32:56
  Speaker 8: hoping that the little girl was not violated sexually.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: You mean raped?
• 33:01
  Speaker 8: Oh, yes, yes, that's what.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: To Noura Almazon joining us from now Habersham. Look, you
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: can't blame Derek Smith, Okay, he's just the messenger.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: He's stuck with the facts that this.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Client, this guy has given him nour Have there been
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: any additional charges, such as a statutory rate charge yet?
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Yes, there has.
• 33:34
  Speaker 9: Actually he is not He was supposed to be brought
• 33:37
  Speaker 9: to Georgia and but he's going to be staying in Dover,
• 33:40
  Speaker 9: Ohio to face charges there. I know that he has
• 33:44
  Speaker 9: been charged with rape and other sexual crimes against Maria
• 33:50
  Speaker 9: and I just have to question, and I throw this
• 33:54
  Speaker 9: out there, but there I do not believe that this
• 33:58
  Speaker 9: is his first time.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: It couldn't be because.
• 34:00
  Speaker 9: He seemed to have been very smooth in getting Maria
• 34:05
  Speaker 9: to Dover, Ohio. And you just have to ask the question,
• 34:08
  Speaker 9: has he done this before? How many times? And what
• 34:11
  Speaker 9: happened to those children? In my opinion, well, you know.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: John Pizorro joining us CEO of Raven John Forever. There
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: are all these statistics that show for every time a
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: child has been molested, the perp has molested oh gosh,
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: dozens and dozens of times before, but has never been
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: reported or caught.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: So I think what Nora.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: Amazon is saying has more than a grain of truth
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: to it. He didn't just come up with this idea overnight.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: It seems very well rehearsed.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: Absolutely, And what they do is it's not never one
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: victim like the Butler study for example, of people that
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: traded child sexually abuse material, fifty to eighty five percent
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: of them are hands on offenders with eight to thirteen
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: victims each. So it's never just one. And basically they
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: learn they get better at it. And I can't tell
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: you the amount offenders that we have arrested. It's never
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: just one victim. He just today just said, you know what,
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: I'm lucky young, and then start this today. There's always
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: a pattern, and it always happens to multiple victims.
• 35:24
  Speaker 11: She was kidnapped and held against your will for three
• 35:28
  Speaker 11: hundred and ninety nine days. He starved her, he tortured her,
• 35:34
  Speaker 11: He assaulted her in every way that you can imagine.
• 35:38
  Speaker 11: He kept her in a dog cage for days and
• 35:42
  Speaker 11: days at a time. He treated her. The way that
• 35:47
  Speaker 11: he treated her was inhuman. It is so hard for
• 35:50
  Speaker 11: me to even imagine the treatment that she received.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: You're hearing Mom Shauna Burns talk about the kidnapped and the.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Torture of her team girl. Haley lived.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: She lived through that ordeal, playing something like eighty five
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: eighty eight pounds by the time she was found barely
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: alive living in a dog age. She too had been
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: lured online. And she's not the only one. Now we
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: know that today's little girl, Maria just twelve.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Has lived.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Haley lived, but that's not true about another little girl,
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Nicole Lovel.
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: You're David.
• 36:35
  Speaker 12: You are my crush, and I know you don't think
• 36:37
  Speaker 12: of me like that. But I don't care. I'll always
• 36:40
  Speaker 12: need here. If you're looking for a good time, I'm here.
• 36:43
  Speaker 12: When you had a bad day, I'm here. And I
• 36:45
  Speaker 12: don't want that to change. I want to be in
• 36:47
  Speaker 12: your life for as long as you can see me.
• 36:49
  Speaker 12: And I know I'm annoying and I ask for too much,
• 36:52
  Speaker 12: but I'm a girl and I have a hard and
• 36:54
  Speaker 12: feelings and my feelings get hurt a lot, but it's
• 36:57
  Speaker 12: never been hurt by you.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: And I like that.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, stars, this little girl little on Nicole level.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: As I recall, she was twelve, just like Maria, and
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: hear you hear a letter that came out in court
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: that she wrote to her killer that she was having
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: a relationship with online David Eisenhower. He murdered her because
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: he did not want their sex relationship with this little
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: girl to become public.
• 37:23
  Speaker 13: Listen, investigators figured out that Nicole had regularly use the
• 37:27
  Speaker 13: app Kick that app allows teens to communicate anonymously so
• 37:31
  Speaker 13: their parents don't know. David Eisenhower lured this little girl
• 37:35
  Speaker 13: out of her home with promises of a quote secret
• 37:38
  Speaker 13: date and murdered her in cold blood because he was
• 37:41
  Speaker 13: apparently afraid that the relationship was going to be exposed
• 37:45
  Speaker 13: by this precious little girl. When the cool body was found,
• 37:50
  Speaker 13: she had fourteen stab wounds. One was to the neck
• 37:53
  Speaker 13: as confirmed by a medical expander.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: That little girl on theic cole level lost her life.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: She was murdered by her online predator. David Asenheiwer, You
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: were hearing investigative reporter Jennifer Sakowski reporting on that case.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Typically these cases do not have happy endings. In this case,
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Maria is alive after nearly two months with a sex predator.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know if this child will ever be the same.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: To Nora Almazon joining us from now Habersham, you are
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: advising the charges have just been upgraded to charges that are.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Felonies, including rape.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: In this case it would be statutory rape in Mani
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: jurisdictions that carries a life sentence twenty to life. He
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: is charged with rape, now felony rape.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Correct, That is correct.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Yes, you know this guy may be charged and Maria,
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: God in Heaven, is alive. But I can tell you
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: this from all the years I've worked with victims of
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: child rape and molestation. They go on, they go on
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: in life, but they are never the same. We wait
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: as justice unfolds, and we remember an American hero. Police
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: officer Jessica Ebausen, just nineteen, struck and killed by a
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: suspect vehicle in the line of duty. This young officer
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: survived by parents Chad and Lisa, boyfriend Nash gone so soon.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: American hero dead in the line of duty, Officer Jessica Abakhausen.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Thank you to our guests for being with us. The
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: warning goes out to parents about internet predators.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Maria is alive, but the next little girl or a
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: boy may not be.
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  Speaker 2: Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend.