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Whitney Whitney Breaks 2 Year Vocal Rest at Lollapalooza & Atlantic Deal | Delulu with Ryan Lu #403 · Delulu with Ryan Lu

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  Do you listen back to those songs and do you, do you
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  remember like being like I was in pain when I recorded that or
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  how do you? I listen back to that like man,
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  written by woman, like that was one of my last singles.
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  Truly one take and why? Yeah.
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  And so I did. I did the one take of the chorus
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  and I remember just I had a full on panic attack.
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  Girl, are you nervy because you're performing at
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  Lollapalooza this year? Yes, I'm I'm sweating.
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  Oh my gosh, just do you think your voice will be fine by then
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  though? That's it in like 3.
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  Months. I'm going to make it fine by
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  then. More excited or more?
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  Nervous. I'm more excited to be honest.
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  Hello Delulu Delulu's and welcome back to Delulu.
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  And a very special welcome to our guest cinematic rising pop
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  starlet Miss Whitney Whitney herself.
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  Hi Whitney, Miss Whitney squared.
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  Thank you so much for coming on the show.
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  We're so excited to have you. Well.
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  Thank you for having me. I have so much I want to get
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  into with you. Like, I feel like there's so
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  much lore to explore. And like, everything we were
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  kind of talking about before the show even started, I was like,
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  wait, wait, we need to do it here.
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  We need to chat about it here. But before we get into anything,
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  we start every show by doing some affirmations.
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  So if you're listening at home, all you need to do is sit back,
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  relax, breathe, and let Whitney and I speak some greatness into
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  your life. OK, so do you want me to start?
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  You. Yeah, you start.
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  OK. I'm going to start.
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  Do you want a disclaimer? From Oh yeah, the huge
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  disclaimer. I'm dyslexic going in on a cold
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  read and there is a typo in what?
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  It there is a typo which was not intentional, that's actually on
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  me. But at least you know I'm not
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  using AI. OK, so I release fear, scarcity
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  and attachment, and I welcome prosperity with an open heart.
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  I release what no longer aligns with me and make space for
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  greater things to enter my life. The more I let go of what drains
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  me, the more energy I have for what nourishes me.
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  Letting go is not Los and inviting an abundance, peace and
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  new opportunities. Letting go is not Los y'all.
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  Abundance flows to me naturally when I trust myself and honor my
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  Grove. I trust that what is meant for
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  me will never require me to force or chase it.
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  Clock it. I no longer cling to the past.
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  I'm creating a future filled with expansion, happiness and
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  possibility. Every ending clears the path for
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  something more beautiful, aligned and fulfilling.
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  I'm stepping into a new chapter where peace, confidence, love
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  and abundance finds me effortlessly.
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  I have a typo 2 Fuck OK sorry y'all.
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  Maybe oopsies? Let's bring an AI I am worthy of
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  overflowing love, success, joy, and abundance in every area of
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  my life. I'm claiming all of that.
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  And guys, if you're listening at home, feel free to claim it is
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  yours. All right, We're going to get
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  into the Whitney Whitney lore lore.
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  So Whitney, Whitney Whitney is a reinvention, A rebrand because
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  you were actually releasing music under a different artist
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  name. You're your name, name.
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  Yeah, your name, name, name for like a decade.
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  Right. Yeah, 10 years for sure.
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  So where did this all begin for you?
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  Like releasing music? Putting it out because you
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  actually started as a teenager. Yeah, yeah.
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  Oh my God. I wrote my first song at like
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  13. I won't get too deep into the
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  story, but it was for. Well, maybe I will.
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  It was for I wrote this poem for one of my Internet friends.
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  Sure, we all had that. Yes, love that.
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  Especially if you were in like the fandoms of it all.
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  Yeah, What fandoms were you in? Oh.
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  God. Give it to us.
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  This one happened to be from the Mag Con fandom.
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  Oh I love mag con, I don't no shame.
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  Who? Who's your fave?
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  Who's your fave? I was Nash Grier for sure.
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  Really. OK, who's mine?
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  The Jacks. The Jacks, Jack and Jack.
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  Yeah, and I actually, UN ironically love their music.
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  It's really quality. It's really quality music, yes.
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  Anyways I. Smoke 2 cigarettes and I don't
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  even smell. Yeah.
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  Oh my God what a bar. Are you fucking kidding me?
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  What a bar from their Gone EP. Me too.
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  I literally went to their tour. I bought meet and greet.
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  Actually not kidding. I'm going to find these
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  pictures. Wait yes I have to find my mags
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  on meet and greet pictures. Too.
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  Oh my God, wait, we're like spiritually connected.
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  Was that shocking? Yes.
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  I'm super into it. You know what?
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  I just think for me, I was like, I don't know why I was so into
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  it, but I was really into it too.
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  Maybe we were Internet friends, done the mag con era.
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  On cake. Or something.
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  That was that was me girl. Wow.
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  OK, there we go. OK, love Nash too.
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  Yeah, I wrote like a poem for her.
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  She was pretty depressed. And yeah, so to bring it way
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  deeper than Mag con, Yeah, I that's so.
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  Funny, I can we just put that out.
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  We were like haha, teenage voice laughing like we're done.
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  And then we're like, so then she was going through it.
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  Right. Yeah, yeah.
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  And then that was like the first thing you wrote.
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  Wrote a song. Yeah, my dad plays piano, so he
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  like, put piano to it and I wrote melody.
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  And yeah, that song is called Ghost Story, and it's out on
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  Whitney. Whitney Wars.
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  OK, we're going to. Listen to 2013 Wow.
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  That's crazy. Yeah.
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  Wait, so that's so special. And then when you wrote that,
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  that was the first thing you wrote.
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  Yeah. Did you know you wanted to sing
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  though? Yes.
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  So you do know what you want to sing?
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  Did you know you wanted to write?
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  I no, that's a great question, honestly.
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  Did you ever imagine, like, being an artist?
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  Did you think like, oh, people just give me songs and then I'm
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  going to have songs written for me and I'm just going to sing
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  them because I'm a singer? Because I know a lot of artists
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  have friends who are artists who don't care to write their music.
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  Because I know you write yours. You know what I mean?
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  Like when you began your journey, did you always imagine
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  like I'm going to be the one penning this too?
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  Yeah, I think once I wrote that I was like, oh wait, I'm
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  actually, I'm not that bad. I'm.
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  Not too shabby. Something's happening here.
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  The lyrics are they don't make any sense though.
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  Like, oh really? Well, what?
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  How old were you? You were like 13.
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  I was 13. Yeah, 13.
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  That's fair. That's fine.
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  Yeah. Yeah, we're not.
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  We're not thinking Shakespearean anything at 13.
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  I I thought I was at 13. That's fair.
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  You are now. You are now.
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  Maybe you are a woman riding a man.
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  Oh, Shakespeare. We'll get into it.
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  We'll get into it. So that's how it started for
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  you. And you start writing and you
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  start making music, and then you actually start releasing music
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  really early, like at 15. Yeah, that's great.
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  Were you doing independently? I Yeah.
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  Brave. That's so young I can't even
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  imagine. Yeah, I found like a producer in
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  Nashville. And so I'd fly to Nashville like
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  throughout middle school. No fucking way.
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  Like by myself, like my parents were like, you could do that.
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  And. You were just going just right,
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  yeah. Oh fuck, they treated me so bad
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  in those sessions though. Like, 'cause imagine like you
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  walk in, it's a 13 year old. Yes, it's like, yeah, like
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  people would do like drugs. Oh, what?
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  There's no good, no. Good.
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  No way. Some.
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  People are great though, you know who you are.
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  Oh God yes, name them, name them right now.
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  Wait, that's crazy, 'cause it also feels like that's such a
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  mature thing to do, especially like coming from wait, where
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  you're based in LA, Where you based in LA so you'd fly to
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  Nashville. Yeah, I'd fly.
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  I'm like, I was born in Connecticut, in middle school
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  Connecticut. So yeah.
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  And then I moved to New York, then I'm Nashville, then LA.
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  Damn all over the place, all the music scenes.
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  Does New York have a music scene?
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  I think it likes to think it does.
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  Yeah, 'cause I want to do a writing camp in New York.
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  I've been saying this, but I'm like, I don't think that's like,
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  that's just a personal thing I want to do.
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  Yeah, like do it. I'm gonna do it.
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  But like, no expectations maybe? I also want to do a writing camp
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  in Nashville, but now I don't know anymore.
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  Oh, I don't know anymore. I don't want to share my drugs
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  in my sessions. Just kidding.
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  Just kidding, y'all. OK, so you're releasing music.
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  So who is like Whitney? Whitney versus like, when you're
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  releasing under your name? Name.
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  Yeah. Whitney Weares was very
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  cultivated by others. Like, even though I was trying
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  to write like my stuff, it was like, oh, well, you're 13
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  through 15. Like, even when I was older,
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  doing it like 1617, it was your child.
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  We know better. We're like the adults.
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  I literally was just talking to my, I had a session right before
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  this and I was talking to my producer and I was telling my
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  session in horror stories. And one of them I was just like,
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  I went into a session and the producer was like super creepy
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  and like, you know, because I was, I told you I had a terrible
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  session last night. And then I was like telling my
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  producer today. I was like, that was the second
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  worst session of my life. The first one was definitely
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  like the guy who's like, you know, super creepy, like sexual
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  harassing, whatever. That was the worst one.
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  But I was like, at the very least he was nice though, and at
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  least like, but when it wasn't nice was he did not want me to
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  write the song. He wanted to write the song.
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  And I was like, I was really confused because like, wait,
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  what? You know what I mean?
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  Like, what's happening here? I hate that.
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  I really don't like that. So like, I definitely.
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  I feel that, yeah. And it still happens like no.
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  You're kidding Like. Sometimes not like, oh, she's a
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  child. Like, I'm obviously not Yeah,
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  yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's like, Oh no, we're
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  going to we're going to write this song like.
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  But then I don't work with them again.
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  A. 100% that's what I was going to say.
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  Like what do you do in those situations?
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  Like in in that session, do you just let them write or do you
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  like? I'm like texting my manager,
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  Justin. I'm like, Justin, I'm never
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  working with these people again. Like I'm about to cry and then I
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  go cry in the bathroom, you know?
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  I feel like that's such a rite of passage for making music
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  though. Like you kind of need a weed
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  out, like the people you don't want to work with.
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  Yes, and then it brings you to the ones that are just the most
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  magical you're. So much more grateful for them.
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  And you're like, this is right. This feels better.
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  That's how I feel. I'm so right there, too.
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  So I feel like with Whitney, Whitney, like, it also feels
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  super refined, you know, Is this like the sound and like the
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  things you're imagining for yourself?
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  Yes. So yeah, to answer the rest of
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  that question, it's like Whitney.
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  Whitney is kind of who I always wanted to be musically and and I
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  would like try to in my previous sessions for Whitney Wars,
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  right, Like we just talked about and Whitney, Whitney is like no
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  rules. I'm fully myself.
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  Like we're doing the tempo changes, the key changes, the
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  chords that don't make sense, like.
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  That's what I like about cicadas.
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  Fucking missing wrong cicadas. You had it right before.
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  This he was like, is it? Cicadas.
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  And I was like, yeah. Bitch, I knew it when I was
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  listening to it too. I was like, I'm not gonna get it
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  right. Oh my God, I'm so embarrassed.
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  That's so funny 'cause I literally said before this was
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  like, let me just confirm before we go.
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  I like the outro, you know what I mean?
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  And then you also do it on the narcissist one right as well.
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  Like the how it slows down. I just, I like that.
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  Like, I like things that keep it interesting and fresh when
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  you're listening to a song. We're going to really get into
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  it because that's actually what I really want to talk about.
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  But so now you rebrand as Whitney Whitney.
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  Like, was this an intentional decision?
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  You're like, OK, I'm going to leave behind this other project
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  I've been putting into for the past decade.
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  You know, you've been releasing music under your own name,
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  moving on to becoming Whitney. Whitney.
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  Like, this is a decision you made.
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  Like what made it be like, OK, I'm going to reinvent myself
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  now. The real answer is I've always
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  wanted to and like for many, like legal annoying industry.
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  Thanks. I like couldn't like I wanted to
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  do this type of music and rebrand for years and years.
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  How do you deal with that? Like I can't even imagine not
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  making music. I'm not like super like.
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  Oh, yeah, no, it's the worst. I didn't even want to release
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  any of those. Whitney, Whitney, Whitney were
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  songs. No, yeah, the Whitney were
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  songs. I didn't like them when they
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  came out. I was just like, I just have to
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  push through. Like, I can do this.
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  I can do it like, because everyone was like, oh, well, you
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  have to be more pop and it's going to be well.
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  And then radio. I hate, honestly, that's that
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  was banned for my sessions when they're like, well, this is not
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  going to do on radio. I'm like, yeah, I I would hope
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  not because I don't. I'm not writing for radio.
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  No. Yes, I'm writing for me.
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  So it was like a conscious decision a while ago, but I was
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  only able to act on it. Got it like a year ago.
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  OK, so like, you've been wanting to do it.
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  Yeah. Oh my gosh.
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  So then you're able to finally do.
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  And that's when you're like, OK, pulling the trigger because like
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  with all the EPS that you release in your upcoming EP,
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  like everything is so cohesive and living in this world of
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  Whitney Whitney. And it, like I said, it feels so
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  refined and it feels really refreshing that it's like, you
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  know, this is something I talk about all the time, just like
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  with my friends and also just with guests I have on the show.
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  But I really like artists who world build.
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  I really like artists who give us something that we can sink
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  our teeth into versus just like waterfalling singles or like,
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  here's this and this and this and this.
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  Like I like things that kind of sit sonically together and
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  things that fit. And then with your EP that
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  you've released, EP 1.1, EP 1.2, like it's all in the same realm.
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  It's like it is very cinematic, which I someone asked me
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  earlier, they're like, oh, what kind of music does Whitney
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  Whitney make? And I was like her press release
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  said cinematic pop. But when I listened, I was like,
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  it is cinematic pop. It's very lush, It's very big.
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  It's very like feels coming of age.
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  Like I feel like I can hear these in coming of age movies in
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  those like sunset scenes and driving in the car and like what
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  a feeling. Thank you.
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  That's literally. The goal, guys, you're doing it.
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  You're slaying. OK, so we need to get into this
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  too before we continue. First, thank you so much for
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  coming on the show. But I know you've been dealing
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  with like how things with your voice.
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  So I just saw, I don't know if you posted this yesterday.
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  You posted a video about how you've been struggling with your
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  voice. You lost your voice.
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  You said singing has been torturous for you, talking has
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  been torturous for you. And you agreed to come onto a
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  podcast and release music, make EPS, work on an album, sign to a
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  record label. But what's going on?
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  Are you OK? I am OK, I am does.
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  This hurt to speak. It it does hurt to speak.
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  Yeah, I'm so sorry. Not as much as it did, which is
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  why I finally posted that video. Like I promised myself I would
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  make it public when I knew I was at the.
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  I'm going to say end. I'm going to say end.
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  Yeah. Tail end.
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  Yeah, you're good. Yes.
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  You're healed? Exactly?
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  Yes, healed. That should.
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  Have been the affirmations. That is affirmation.
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  I can speak without pain because I've been there.
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  Actually, I lost my voice a couple months ago and it was a
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  bitch and I was also recording and I completely understood that
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  and I pushed through like I would just see and I'd be like,
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  this is ripping me apart. But I like so I I kind of got
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  it. Yours seems way more intense
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  than mine. No that sucks though.
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  Like no one should have to go through that even for a day like
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  as an artist. Do you know what happened?
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  It's like yes and no. It's such a mystery and I feel
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  like a lot of like chronic pain with random stuff.
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  It's just like you don't know. And that's why it just continues
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  and continues. But like 2 years ago, honestly,
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  maybe even more, I was in a session and Whitney Wers would
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  do this like crazy belt. Whitney Whitney does it
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  sometimes too, but she's not really allowed to do that
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  anymore. Because I did like a crazy belt
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  and I just like felt something snap and I was like, oh, OK, oh
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  shit. And I wasn't like that
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  concerned. But you knew in the moment I
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  did, something was wrong. I was like, I cannot do another
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  take of this and I went home. I was like, it's fine.
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  Like it'll be fine. And then ever since then it so.
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  Painful. Two years ago, Yeah.
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  And it wasn't like a vocal note or something.
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  So I got scoped, but I've been scoped like a.
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  Scoping is for those who don't know.
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  Give it to us. It's like they put a camera down
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  your throat and like see your vocal cords vibes.
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  And I've had like small, like super duper small vocal notes
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  for so long. Like so long.
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  So they saw those again. I personally think I've had them
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  for years on end. So we tried to get rid of those
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  by doing months of silence. Like I was just, I was mute.
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  I was mute. You weren't recording music or
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  talking or anything. And then I would like stop the
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  silence and then go back into the studio, which was so dumb.
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  Like they're like, oh, you're fine.
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  Like take some steroids which is the worst thing you could do.
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  Oh my God. Yeah, and then it still hurt,
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  and then I go back on vocal rest.
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  Wait, girl, I'm so shooky McKee. I'm sorry.
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  That's actually terrible. Yeah, what the fuck?
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  So I still haven't like sung like song sung since then.
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  I'm so shocked cause like you, so you you're dealing with this
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  and the 2 EPS that you had released and the music that
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  you've been putting out under Whitney.
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  Whitney, this is while you're. Yeah, you sound incredible.
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  Thanks. It's sickening.
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  Like what? Like because when you said in
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  that video you were like, I would do one take of the course
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  and be like, OK, that's it y'all Yeah, take it.
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  That's it. What about double?
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  S Oh yeah. I would do double S, but like
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  very light double S And then I'd have like one of my main
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  writers, Cleo Tai, she's done all the harmonies.
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  That's so sweet. And like our voices blend really
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  well. So it just like.
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  And that's, that's honestly really rare too, to be honest.
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  I like finding that. That's really nice though, how
• 16:52
  that supports so then you can still flesh out the song and the
• 16:54
  vision without having to push yourself too hard.
• 16:56
  But you genuinely sound incredible.
• 16:57
  And I'm like also shocked. I was like, 'cause then I saw
• 17:00
  that video first before I listened to the music and I was
• 17:02
  expecting for you to sound strange or something, but then I
• 17:06
  was like, oh, she's like a better singer than the rest of
• 17:09
  the world without the vocal issues.
• 17:11
  But that's. Crazy.
• 17:12
  I'm going to come back even. Better.
• 17:13
  Oh my God, do you want to belt again?
• 17:16
  No, my voice teacher was like never again.
• 17:19
  Yeah, and I'm like, well, I mean, you don't even like,
• 17:21
  honestly, you don't even need to.
• 17:23
  I think so. No, I think voice textures and
• 17:25
  just like performance is like that itself can already feel
• 17:27
  really big, you know? Yeah, I get a belt though.
• 17:30
  I love a belt too. I'll.
• 17:31
  Do a healthy belt but like there's like some like
• 17:34
  borderline screamy belts that caused.
• 17:36
  It I think my belts are pretty screamy, but yeah, we'll get
• 17:39
  there. We'll we'll figure it out.
• 17:40
  So it's hurting. It's like where you at right now
• 17:43
  talking to me on the show. Out of 10, you're at like a one
• 17:48
  or a. 2 which is really sad. I really did heal you.
• 17:50
  You did? Period.
• 17:51
  Oh OK wait, I'm happy to hear that.
• 17:53
  OK, good 'cause I felt bad. I was like Oh my gosh, she's
• 17:54
  gonna come on in yappers. We'll make it a light and easy.
• 17:57
  Yeah and you're having a good time so it's like fine.
• 17:59
  Absolutely. Well, do you listen back to
• 18:01
  those songs and do you do you remember like being like I was
• 18:03
  in pain when I recorded that or how do you I?
• 18:06
  Listened back to that, like, man run by woman.
• 18:08
  Like, that was one of my last singles.
• 18:10
  Yes, truly one take. And that's why, yeah.
• 18:14
  And so I did, I did the one take of the chorus and I remember
• 18:18
  just I had a full on panic attack because it was such a
• 18:22
  hard thing of oh wait, this actually sounds really good, but
• 18:26
  it hurts so bad like that was. Just like, and it's like what
• 18:29
  you do in that situation. Do we keep going or do we just
• 18:32
  like? Like that's it.
• 18:34
  Like that's the that's the take I.
• 18:36
  Think that's also really special, though.
• 18:38
  That's also a really true testament to your talent and
• 18:40
  like delivery and performance because like I'm I am not a one
• 18:44
  take Jake, Like I will deliver it like 17 times and I'm like
• 18:47
  comp comp that shit. That's what I used to do and
• 18:50
  like versus, like low versus were easy and I could do a bunch
• 18:53
  of takes of those. But you know, courses are a
• 18:56
  course. So I got when you said that when
• 18:58
  you were like, I would do one take, of course, I was like, I
• 19:00
  know exactly why. Of course, of course, like, yes,
• 19:03
  I got that. Oh my God, you were truly God's
• 19:06
  strongest warrior, 'cause like, that's crazy.
• 19:10
  How have you been getting through it 'cause I know you
• 19:11
  said in your video that you were also like, you did Western
• 19:17
  medicine. You're doing some woo woo shit.
• 19:20
  You saw a sorcerer. What's going on over here in New
• 19:24
  Orleans? How are how's the sorcerer?
• 19:28
  The sorcerer was phenomenal. So I this is I just, I love this
• 19:32
  story and like some people are going to be like, bro, what?
• 19:35
  No, I'm on board. I'm woo woo as fuck, give it to
• 19:37
  us. Woo woo and delulu.
• 19:40
  Woo, woo, do woo. Woo woo.
• 19:43
  Bitch coining. Boom, put it on a mug.
• 19:49
  Yeah, New Orleans was a few months ago and home went with my
• 19:54
  family and my brother and I went to all those, like voodoo shops.
• 19:57
  If you know New Orleans, like that's just like the touristy
• 20:00
  sort of like thing to do. One of them is to like, go to
• 20:03
  the voodoo. Shop you just like visiting?
• 20:05
  Yeah. You weren't there for the
• 20:06
  sorcerer, you were just happened to be.
• 20:08
  Happened to be around. Oh, I was thought, I thought you
• 20:09
  were like, I saw that. The sorcerer in New Orleans and
• 20:12
  the sign. Of the.
• 20:13
  Right, little Princess and the frog type shit.
• 20:15
  Yes, yes. OK.
• 20:16
  So you're, you're venturing, you're seeing, you're seeing
• 20:18
  this up. And so I'm like talking to this
• 20:21
  woman who runs one of the stores, and I'm like, you know,
• 20:24
  there's a lot of healing stuff here.
• 20:25
  Like, do you have any? I just kind of, like, started
• 20:27
  talking. And she was like, you know, you
• 20:31
  should go down the street and you'll find, like, a very small
• 20:35
  blue door. And then it doesn't look like a
• 20:37
  store, but you walk through that door and then you're going to
• 20:41
  see a very small room and you're going to ask for Phillip.
• 20:45
  And I was like, OK, she. Sent you on a quest.
• 20:47
  She sent me on a quest yes. So I'm like OK great.
• 20:51
  So me and my brother, we follow the just verbal directions by
• 20:54
  the door, walk in. It's like the size of a bigger
• 20:57
  closet. And there's just potions all
• 21:00
  along the walls. Like, they're all like brown
• 21:02
  bottles, handwritten labels. And there's one person sitting
• 21:06
  in this rocking chair with the tallest glass of white wine you
• 21:10
  could possibly imagine, like to the brim.
• 21:12
  And I was like, I'm looking for Phillip.
• 21:16
  You're like and I'm not sure if I like or if I should be.
• 21:19
  And he was like, I'm Phillip and I was like slay.
• 21:23
  So I explained my issue. They didn't like charge me or
• 21:26
  anything too like to do this. Like it's crazy.
• 21:30
  They just like listen to me, got me like this special potion.
• 21:33
  It's literally like this big and I rub it on my neck every day.
• 21:38
  And then the quest is I was sent to find a dried cricket, a
• 21:43
  feather of a songbird, glitter and something that represents my
• 21:48
  artistry. So like I would do like a piece
• 21:50
  of my. Hair, Phillip was telling you.
• 21:51
  Oh yes, and then some of the potion get a neck, like a
• 21:54
  bottle, like a tiny bottle, wear it around my neck.
• 21:58
  And there's just so many issues there because, yeah, songbird
• 22:03
  feathers are illegal. Yeah, and I was like, I'm not
• 22:05
  talking no dad cricket. Oh, I was shipped 10.
• 22:09
  My stepmom's mother lives in Arizona and she mailed me.
• 22:12
  One specific cricket you needed. No, just any dried cricket.
• 22:15
  Yucky. Yeah, I feel like you can get
• 22:17
  that at the pet store actually, not on.
• 22:18
  Thinking about it, I did think about that.
• 22:20
  Then I would have to let it die like they do.
• 22:22
  Like live crickets. Oh, maybe you're right.
• 22:25
  Yeah. I thought about that.
• 22:26
  Yeah, I thought about that route.
• 22:27
  OK, You got shipped 1 though. I got shipped the Commission, by
• 22:30
  the way, This plus is really, yeah.
• 22:33
  So I still need the feather of a songbird though I do.
• 22:36
  I haven't. I haven't found it.
• 22:38
  OK, what's a songbird specifically?
• 22:40
  Like a singing bird? Yeah.
• 22:42
  I I chat a ChatGPT D it and it was like there's so many
• 22:47
  different species. OK, there's like one that's
• 22:49
  possibly illegal in the US. Are songbirds illegal or the
• 22:52
  feathers of them illegal? The feather, the feather, the
• 22:56
  cicadas. Yes.
• 22:56
  OK. The feather is illegal.
• 23:01
  OK, Well, legally, we were not looking for a father.
• 23:04
  No. But if anyone watching has one
• 23:06
  by any chance or means, you know, forward it to Justin.
• 23:10
  Yeah. Whitney's manager.
• 23:11
  Just for like, no. Specific purpose.
• 23:15
  Like fuck it if you just have a spare one, fuck it.
• 23:16
  Yeah, this. It's a spare.
• 23:17
  A spare. Yeah, and none of us will say
• 23:19
  anything. Yes, Mom's a word.
• 23:20
  So this is the final step of the healing thing.
• 23:22
  I genuinely think so. I'm not even kidding.
• 23:25
  Wait, how long ago did you see the sorcerer?
• 23:27
  Like 2 months. Oh, OK, why aren't you wearing
• 23:32
  the vial? Because I don't have the feather
• 23:34
  yet. So I feel like it would go the
• 23:35
  vial. Yeah, the cricket, the glitter,
• 23:37
  the hair and the the songbird feather, Yeah.
• 23:40
  And the potion all in the vial. And you're just.
• 23:42
  I feel like it's going to look super sick to be honest.
• 23:44
  That could be a part of your branding.
• 23:45
  OK, because you had a spiritual awakening in 2020.
• 23:47
  Your Wikipedia confirmed you were shocked when I told you
• 23:50
  that earlier. Like why is that on the
• 23:52
  Wikipedia? You were like, how did you know?
• 23:54
  How deep did you go? Like.
• 23:56
  Not that deep, it was actually just the first page of Wikipedia
• 23:59
  for you. Oh God, your spiritual awakening
• 24:01
  you said. That's helped you a lot through
• 24:02
  the voice issue as well. Yeah, like.
• 24:05
  What was this the spiritual awakening like?
• 24:07
  Tell us about that. In high school, I want to say
• 24:09
  was actually. So Wikipedia is Loki wrong We.
• 24:12
  Need a Fact Check like. I don't know who wrote that, but
• 24:14
  that'd. Be so cool, your Wikipedia gets
• 24:16
  updated and the Spiritual Awakening gets cited as the show
• 24:19
  that we rectify as 2015 actually.
• 24:23
  Yeah, let's make it happen. No, it was kind of, I think it
• 24:26
  was 2016. I watched Yeah high school and I
• 24:30
  watched this movie called Waking Life, and it's just like, I
• 24:34
  don't even know what happened in my brain.
• 24:35
  I was just like so they clicked Wow.
• 24:38
  Yeah, so your life changed. And then I went down like this
• 24:40
  whole rabbit hole. I watched this like influencer
• 24:43
  called Phil Good Life. And I think he changed his
• 24:46
  username to like feel good Within.
• 24:49
  OK. But yeah, that's it, full.
• 24:50
  Shout out Yeah, Phillips are pouring in your life.
• 24:53
  Oh my God, that's crazy. Wow.
• 24:56
  And still two of them. Yeah, Phil means love in Greek
• 24:59
  or something. Don't quote me on that.
• 25:01
  It's either Greek or I know it's love, but.
• 25:03
  Which is the Wikipedia. Latin.
• 25:06
  Latin for. Something around there that's.
• 25:08
  Pretty, yeah. But yeah, so maybe Phils are.
• 25:10
  Yeah, they're important. Sending love.
• 25:12
  Yeah. But yeah, I just have always
• 25:15
  gone down that path since then. Yeah.
• 25:17
  And I don't, like, shove it in people's faces.
• 25:19
  I think I did on Tiktok during COVID because I was like Oh my
• 25:23
  God that's why I'm here. You have I'm pretty woo woo, so
• 25:26
  phenomenal. That's why everything you're
• 25:27
  saying I'm like. Yep, yeah.
• 25:29
  I'm like, yeah, 100% and like, lock it.
• 25:31
  Yeah. I was like, so specific cricket
• 25:33
  though, yes, the feather, I get all that.
• 25:36
  Yeah, of course. Yeah.
• 25:37
  But no, that's helped me. I feel like my connection with
• 25:40
  like the universe definitely got like tampered with two years ago
• 25:44
  when I lost like the thing most important to me.
• 25:47
  And I, I've definitely been working to get it back and I
• 25:51
  feel like I have since January, like it was like lost, like, you
• 25:56
  know, like sometimes it just goes away and.
• 25:59
  That's scary, especially as like an artist and someone sings and
• 26:01
  like even just one who wants a yap, you know what I mean?
• 26:04
  But. I'm a yap.
• 26:05
  Brad, how we going? Yap.
• 26:06
  You know, we can't. So I can't believe you hid from
• 26:09
  your record label that you lost your.
• 26:10
  How is that even possible? I mean, I wouldn't have been
• 26:12
  able to sell, you know? Yeah.
• 26:14
  Do you think they wouldn't have signed you if you told them?
• 26:16
  They're like, oh, by the way, it hurts.
• 26:18
  I look. He don't know if they would
• 26:20
  have. Justin's shaking his head.
• 26:22
  What? OK, well, the contract's signed.
• 26:24
  We can't go back. No.
• 26:25
  Take you back to you. But yeah, well, hopefully not.
• 26:29
  Sorry, I've just I was just like I just had so many artists sit
• 26:32
  on this couch with their like being whatever.
• 26:35
  Anyways, go. Ahead.
• 26:36
  No, no, I've I've, I've also been if we're talking dropped
• 26:39
  land, Yeah, I. Was like don't say the word.
• 26:41
  I feel like no, like it's a cursed word.
• 26:43
  No sign artist. I was with Island for like a
• 26:46
  second. Really.
• 26:47
  Oh, that didn't come up on the Wikipedia did.
• 26:49
  It. No, no.
• 26:52
  UMG maybe, yeah, maybe that one. OK.
• 26:55
  But no, I kept it a secret, like pretty easily because I sounded
• 26:59
  good. Yeah.
• 27:00
  Oh yeah. And because I was talking to
• 27:01
  them honestly. I love that this happened
• 27:05
  honestly. Like somehow my demos got sent
• 27:08
  around, which I just does not happen anymore.
• 27:11
  So I was just like, OMG, like what's going?
• 27:14
  On. So yeah, like different record
• 27:16
  labels were contacting me and I was like, I guess I just have to
• 27:19
  keep making these demos. So I did.
• 27:22
  And yeah, it was so exciting. Super exciting, yeah.
• 27:25
  Especially because you've been putting out music for soul long
• 27:27
  and it's like this opportunity of like this rebirth and like
• 27:30
  you already knew that you wanted to change into like Whitney
• 27:32
  Whitney and like having the lineman and the team that like
• 27:34
  that's cool. No, it was awesome.
• 27:36
  Like very validating that because it was once I wrote, I
• 27:40
  think it was does the narcissist need a kiss?
• 27:42
  Was kind of the first thing I wrote in the very first.
• 27:45
  Single you released to yes under Whitney.
• 27:47
  Whitney, That's right. And the fact that, like, the
• 27:51
  thing I've been told no to my whole life, which is like
• 27:54
  weirder music, is the thing that like people actually started to
• 27:57
  like. And it's just a demo like Girl.
• 27:59
  That's what I'm. Saying like it was, I was very,
• 28:02
  I was very adamant on I don't know, you can have your take on
• 28:06
  major labels. I personally am Atlantic.
• 28:09
  They wooed me like I love them so much.
• 28:12
  Hello. Hello.
• 28:14
  Hello. Hello.
• 28:15
  Like, I'm trying to be a label mate.
• 28:16
  Let's go. Yeah, I know people.
• 28:18
  The industry is so interesting. I have so many artists I talk to
• 28:20
  and like everyone has such a strong take on labels or
• 28:23
  whatever, but I see them as just like a partnership and like like
• 28:27
  another resource to try to get the music out because
• 28:29
  ultimately, you know, I I would hope all orders just create
• 28:33
  connection and people who could resonate with the music and
• 28:35
  stuff. I'm like what you said, like
• 28:36
  that's surprising because like something a little weirder
• 28:38
  because like, even like, you know, you're very conceptual
• 28:41
  with like this narcissist indeed.
• 28:42
  A kiss a man ran by a woman. If the rain doesn't stop, we can
• 28:44
  stay forever. Girl we these novel.
• 28:47
  Titles. Yes, so funny.
• 28:50
  I wrote a song called It's Hot When Boys Cry, and I remember
• 28:53
  thinking I was like, this is a long title, this is really long,
• 28:55
  and now I'm looking at these. I'm like, not long.
• 28:58
  I was like, no, I don't. I don't kind of fine.
• 29:00
  I was like the if the rain doesn't stop, we can say for
• 29:03
  everyone like that that's a sentence.
• 29:06
  Yes. Yeah.
• 29:07
  But that's good though. Like now you're tapping into
• 29:09
  that and that's awesome. So.
• 29:11
  OK, so you end up signing of Atlantic.
• 29:12
  When did you sign? Halloween.
• 29:15
  Wait, really? 2024 Wait 20252025.
• 29:21
  No way. Like 6 months ago.
• 29:23
  Seven months ago. Wait, what is the time?
• 29:25
  What are we, 2026 = 20? The math meme?
• 29:30
  I was like. Really thinking that right now.
• 29:31
  I was like, Oh no, she's asking me to do math right now for
• 29:34
  months. 2024, so only 2024, so it's been like a year and a half
• 29:38
  so. You had like a year of like
• 29:39
  development and then before you put out the first song, 'cause
• 29:41
  it didn't you, you did the first one end of last year.
• 29:44
  It was, yeah. And.
• 29:46
  Or. Beginning of getting everything
• 29:48
  that I've ever done in my life. Yeah, same these.
• 29:51
  That's so. Oh my God.
• 29:53
  The Wikipedia was not updated. No, it's just the spiritual
• 29:56
  awakening. Just the spiritual awakening
• 29:57
  showcased. Yeah.
• 29:59
  So a year and a half ago. And then honestly, like, then I
• 30:02
  did tell them I was like, hey, guys, this is going on.
• 30:06
  And so it wasn't necessarily development.
• 30:09
  It was trying to heal my vocal cords.
• 30:12
  So yeah, that's what they were. And then they were.
• 30:14
  Yeah. So we were all.
• 30:16
  I'm very thankful. Like, my team was so supportive
• 30:19
  and they still are, like, genuinely so thankful.
• 30:22
  Yeah, like good people. That's nice, though, to work
• 30:24
  with people who, like, care about, like the artists, of
• 30:27
  course, the art belts of the person.
• 30:29
  Yeah, because like, that's a physical thing and that's
• 30:31
  suckies, you know? That's bad.
• 30:33
  And then finally, it's just like, whatever, like let's just
• 30:35
  release it even though I Can't Sing.
• 30:36
  Oh. No, but it's not great.
• 30:38
  Thanks. Do you listen back and you think
• 30:40
  it sounds great? Do you listen back?
• 30:41
  And you're like, I wish I could. No, I listen back and I'm like,
• 30:43
  wow, no one would know. No one would know.
• 30:45
  Yeah. No one would know.
• 30:47
  Exactly. Yeah.
• 30:48
  So you don't feel like tainted by yours just like, OK, cool.
• 30:50
  It is it? It didn't.
• 30:51
  No, like I was like there. It couldn't even be better.
• 30:53
  A. 100% and honestly, I think there's a magic in that too.
• 30:55
  Like of course, what's that ailment that sucks, but I also
• 30:58
  like it also gives it the real raw aspects, which I think now
• 31:03
  that we know that like you're not doing a million takes,
• 31:05
  you're not comping a bunch for these songs.
• 31:06
  Like that's so special, it makes it even more like connected.
• 31:12
  What's the word intimate? Intimate.
• 31:14
  Yes. Got it.
• 31:15
  Yes. That's yeah, yeah, it sounds
• 31:18
  really good way to look at it, honestly.
• 31:19
  Definitely. I mean, it's one of those things
• 31:20
  where just like it could be like, OK, well now I Can't Sing,
• 31:24
  I can't do it, and now like this is my only take.
• 31:26
  But it's like it sounds great, it feels good.
• 31:28
  I think that's what matters the most to you.
• 31:29
  Just like how you connect with the music and the people who are
• 31:32
  listening and everything's super cinematic, just like your press
• 31:35
  release said. And I definitely agree.
• 31:36
  I love the strings that are on the project and that would you
• 31:39
  like feels very coming of age. It's very sophisticated.
• 31:42
  Pop OH. Thank you.
• 31:43
  Yeah, like feels mature. It also feels like a woman.
• 31:46
  Like becoming. Oh, woman becoming.
• 31:48
  Love. I need to come up with a long
• 31:50
  title to give you a long sentence.
• 31:52
  That's not long enough at. All that really wasn't that's
• 31:55
  long for me me love my singular words.
• 31:57
  You know what's funny is like your EPS are titles so simple
• 31:59
  too? That yeah, that was kind of the
• 32:01
  point because I was like, what else could I possibly call that?
• 32:04
  Like it's already saying way too much in the titles.
• 32:07
  Let me just do 1.1 1.21.31.4. Are we thinking about 1.4
• 32:12
  already? We it's all it's all done.
• 32:16
  We're doing 4 EPS. We're doing 4 reviews and then.
• 32:18
  When's LP 1.1 coming the. Actual album is just called 1 so
• 32:23
  that's why it's like points but. Yeah, wait, I like that all.
• 32:31
  Come together. No, I really like that.
• 32:33
  Super intentional. Yeah, I'm clocking.
• 32:36
  So you're gonna do four. You're waterfalling 4 EPS.
• 32:38
  So EP 1.1, EP 1.2 are out right now and EP 1.3 is coming in.
• 32:44
  The time. No, I don't know.
• 32:45
  OK, wait. Do we, are we not announcing?
• 32:47
  I mean no. That's still coming out in June.
• 32:49
  Slave. I mean, I think the first single
• 32:51
  is coming out middle of June vibes and then I'm releasing
• 32:55
  just all four of those singles because it's my favorite EP of
• 32:59
  the four. So we're just P. 1.3 is your
• 33:01
  fave. Yes, yes.
• 33:03
  So we're just gonna single them all out, you know?
• 33:05
  Wait a minute, is the album gonna be the four EPS compiled?
• 33:10
  Yeah. Oh, that's what you're doing?
• 33:12
  So that. So by the time 1.4 comes out, it
• 33:15
  will be the album? Yeah.
• 33:17
  So 4 songs each. 1616 songs. On the album. 16 So then when
• 33:21
  you drop 1.4, is it going to be EP 1.4 and then one or is it
• 33:26
  when EP 1.4 comes out then it's like that's album the.
• 33:29
  Fact that I have thought about. This sorry I'm a nerd about this
• 33:32
  shit. I'm thinking about my own roll
• 33:34
  out Moon is right. I ask because I'm also trying to
• 33:36
  like. Wait, I don't know.
• 33:37
  Because I'm also, I'm also going to, I'm going to do something
• 33:39
  similar, yeah, similar. I think like, I think we'll talk
• 33:44
  about it later. Wait.
• 33:45
  OK, sorry, that was just for me. I just wanted to know like.
• 33:48
  Maybe like the top of my head this, yeah, this guy for sure.
• 33:52
  And I guess off the top of my head, it would probably be like
• 33:55
  the album is with 1.4. I feel like that'd be kind of
• 33:58
  awesome so that people don't already have the EP, like all
• 34:02
  the EPS. I would say as a listener, I
• 34:04
  would be personally excited to have something new on top of a a
• 34:07
  moment. Yeah, cuz what a moment in your
• 34:09
  career, your debut album, right? Like that would be so
• 34:12
  monumental. But you know what do I know?
• 34:16
  Do you want nothing? Whatever you feel fit, of
• 34:18
  course, but. I think that's probably what
• 34:19
  it's going to be. I think we've decided it here on
• 34:21
  the Delivery podcast. Not the marketing meeting on
• 34:24
  camera. I'm like, so what's the RAW
• 34:27
  exactly looking like and what's the timeline?
• 34:30
  That is so funny. That's literally how I talk,
• 34:32
  just naturally with my my friends.
• 34:33
  No, me too. I I business conversations are
• 34:36
  just like bread and butter. It's.
• 34:38
  Terrible. I'll be like OK, so third single
• 34:40
  coming out. How much are we investing in
• 34:41
  this one? Like music video, yes or no?
• 34:44
  Like what's the roll up plan? Did we do visual like it's
• 34:46
  crazy. I love it.
• 34:47
  I'm not. I don't even know why.
• 34:49
  I'm like, it's just. So fun.
• 34:51
  It's like fun to like see if you can outsmart it.
• 34:54
  I know. Like me and just.
• 34:55
  Ever changing. Yeah, started to derail this,
• 34:57
  but me and my manager Justin, like I don't know if anyone's
• 35:00
  seen the the popular anime Death Note and I heard of it.
• 35:06
  I made Justin watch it because it's like we love talking about
• 35:10
  the business side of music so much, and Death Note has nothing
• 35:13
  nothing to. Do with music but I was like.
• 35:16
  No, like we love talking about the business so much and it just
• 35:20
  makes like, Death Note is the smartest thing.
• 35:23
  It's like the smartest TV show and we want to be the smartest
• 35:26
  in the music. Got it.
• 35:27
  So you're learning. So I was like, if you watch
• 35:29
  Death Note, then we can be a partnership.
• 35:31
  But if you don't like unfortunately.
• 35:34
  And then he watched Death Note. And then he did he.
• 35:36
  Has yeah, love that I'm about to test my team yes, I'm going to
• 35:40
  give. Them a little mission, you gotta
• 35:42
  be so smart. Actually I do like not the
• 35:44
  definite thing but I will like put them through a lot to see if
• 35:47
  how invested they are in me first before I take them on.
• 35:49
  Like I think maybe Charlie come with me to like 6 things before
• 35:53
  I was like OK then I had like 12 meetings with my manager before
• 35:57
  I signed anyways regardless. Well and just for two years
• 36:01
  really. That's so good Oh my God.
• 36:03
  Pre Atlantic. Pre like every like yeah.
• 36:06
  Yeah, when you're still Whitney. Whitney Worse.
• 36:08
  That's crazy town. OK, so EP 1.3, you feel like
• 36:12
  it's your favorite 1. You feel like it's the closest
• 36:13
  to you, the most you. But like I remember you have
• 36:16
  your song touching you, which you said you wrote when you were
• 36:19
  like painfully single and it was kind of talking about the love
• 36:22
  that you wanted, right? Like manifesting that.
• 36:24
  So how was like that perspective, especially coming
• 36:26
  in knowing that you were single, writing it, etcetera, like
• 36:28
  essentially fantasizing You're a little delulu about that.
• 36:31
  I was delulu, delulu. You got it.
• 36:32
  You're on the show. It was like actually more of a
• 36:36
  sad thing. Like I was like.
• 36:39
  It's so pretty, I wouldn't have guessed.
• 36:42
  It was like I couldn't even write the lyrics.
• 36:45
  It took so long to write the verse lyrics.
• 36:47
  Because it was like, Oh yeah, you rewrite it 6.
• 36:49
  Times. Yeah, I did.
• 36:50
  You did rewrite it 6 times, Wikipedia.
• 36:52
  Just kidding. Oh, wait, really?
• 36:53
  Oh, no. Atwood.
• 36:54
  Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, it was Atwood.
• 36:56
  Yeah. So shout out your publicist,
• 36:59
  because they're really going. Yeah.
• 37:01
  Yeah, it was. I couldn't even, like, describe
• 37:06
  a loving feeling. I was like, So what does it feel
• 37:08
  like? Like what?
• 37:09
  Counting the freckles on your chest.
• 37:11
  So gorgeous, by the way, that's such a beautiful lyric, like so
• 37:15
  visual and love how was delivered like that's that's a
• 37:18
  such a stunning 1, you know? Yeah, I I just like, it was
• 37:23
  hard, but then, Oh my God, it's playing in the background.
• 37:26
  That's so funny. Manifested, yes, that's so
• 37:28
  funny. But yeah, it was more of a sad
• 37:30
  place than a manifestation place.
• 37:32
  Yeah, but you wanted to be open to falling in love again.
• 37:34
  Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 37:36
  And I feel like speaking about things like that really welcomes
• 37:39
  in that energy. Yes.
• 37:40
  Yeah, and you want to be on that vibration, you know, you want to
• 37:43
  be there. I got it.
• 37:44
  OK cool. So like the first EPS, EP 1.1,
• 37:48
  EP 1.2, like they don't feel as you as like you would hope for
• 37:51
  it. Like where do you stand with
• 37:52
  those? Like, I'm curious because I know
• 37:53
  you write all your own songs. I read your credits, you know.
• 37:55
  I love the whole 16 like I. So it is Dunzies.
• 38:02
  It's super dunzies all 16 Yes and mix and mastered.
• 38:07
  I feel like you give me like a mix of like early Lana and
• 38:10
  modern Lana. Yeah, really, genuinely.
• 38:13
  Yeah. It's giving Lana.
• 38:15
  I feel like it's Lana coded. Like I just feel like, by the
• 38:17
  way, I'm not even that in depth with Lana Del Rey, but like feel
• 38:19
  like whatever I've heard it feels like cinematic, lush and
• 38:23
  like like the world building aspect of it, you know?
• 38:25
  Wait, thank you. I've never actually gotten
• 38:27
  someone that compared me to Lana, but I personally kind of
• 38:30
  yeah. See it?
• 38:30
  Yeah. Because your influences are
• 38:32
  Elton John, you know, Apple, other people whose names I can't
• 38:34
  pronounce. So like, also, I'm not.
• 38:36
  I don't. I'm not familiar with those
• 38:38
  artists. But now I am.
• 38:40
  Yeah. OK.
• 38:41
  That's really good. But I feel like they're all like
• 38:43
  near and dear to me, even the ones I mean they're EP3 like.
• 38:48
  I'm really excited for her then. Yeah, yes.
• 38:50
  Oh my gosh. OK, so like EP 1.3, this one
• 38:53
  that's coming out that's going to precede before we finish off
• 38:56
  the thing. So you finished the.
• 38:57
  When did you finish the project? The entire album.
• 39:04
  Like dude, this song's a year and a half.
• 39:06
  I like this song. Thanks.
• 39:09
  Like a year and a half ago all the songs were done and then we
• 39:14
  actually did some finishing touches on one of the songs in
• 39:17
  EP 1.4 a month ago. Like it poof.
• 39:22
  So how do you feel now that you don't have to record it anymore,
• 39:24
  especially with the voicing? Do you feel relieved or do you
• 39:27
  miss going in and working on the music?
• 39:29
  I miss it so much. It's like the biggest, yeah,
• 39:32
  biggest part of my life and writing.
• 39:35
  Like I feel like I can't not can't, but I'm such a melody
• 39:39
  driven person, even though maybe my lyrics suggest otherwise.
• 39:42
  But I mean no. We can use melody though.
• 39:43
  Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's just as
• 39:45
  important. And I haven't been able to write
• 39:48
  a melody because I'm like gonna wanna record it on my phone.
• 39:51
  And then I'm like, not that slay at piano yet.
• 39:54
  I'm learning, but I can't. I'm gonna lose it if I try to
• 39:57
  clunk it out on a piano. Would like maybe a hum be
• 40:01
  sufficient do you think? It's tricky.
• 40:04
  Don't push yourself because honestly, especially 'cause
• 40:07
  you're getting in a better place.
• 40:08
  Like I wouldn't push yourself. Yeah, but I miss.
• 40:11
  It so much. I know I'm.
• 40:13
  So relieved just recorded because if it wasn't I like I
• 40:16
  Can't Sing right now so. Girl, are you nervy because
• 40:18
  you're performing at Lollapalooza this year?
• 40:20
  Yes, I'm I'm sweating. Oh my gosh, just do you think
• 40:23
  your voice will be fine by then though?
• 40:24
  That's in like 3. Months.
• 40:24
  I'm gonna make it fine by then. Yeah.
• 40:26
  Like, are you excited though? I am excited.
• 40:29
  OK, excited, more excited or more?
• 40:30
  Nervous. I'm more excited to be honest.
• 40:31
  Yeah, and congratulations, Massive what?
• 40:35
  I'm so excited. My first festival and yeah, it
• 40:38
  just happened. So like, naturally, yeah.
• 40:40
  Like it was just so last artist on the lineup, first on stage.
• 40:45
  Oh my God, go off girl. Like hello, what are you opening
• 40:48
  with? I don't know set list yet.
• 40:51
  OK. But you'll be healed by then.
• 40:53
  You're gonna. Slay it.
• 40:54
  I'm like, it's my full mission to heal by then, yeah.
• 40:57
  EP3 will be out by then, right? Yeah.
• 40:59
  OK, cool. Or like maybe there's.
• 41:01
  Like one more song that'll be left, Who knows.
• 41:03
  But yeah. OK.
• 41:05
  We'll discuss in the marketing meeting after this, of course.
• 41:07
  OK cool. Yay, that's super exciting.
• 41:10
  I love a man ran by a woman. I think my favorite is Kikatas.
• 41:20
  No. I did that one on purpose.
• 41:22
  OK, good, because that was so much worse than your first try
• 41:26
  and your second. OK, that is my favorite.
• 41:29
  Though I love kikatas too, girl. You're gonna make me lose my
• 41:32
  fucking voice like I'm the same. What?
• 41:36
  Please heal me. I also lost my voice for a while
• 41:38
  and I was when I was recording my songs during it, I was like
• 41:40
  Oh my God, I hate my life. We.
• 41:41
  Have to talk about that, you do. I can hear it.
• 41:44
  That's why I asked you. I was like, cuz when I hear
• 41:45
  those songs I recorded when my voice was gone, I'm like, I can
• 41:47
  genuinely hear it. Like I don't hear my voice being
• 41:50
  as healthy as it needs to be. But I also kind of like the rasp
• 41:53
  and I'm like. Yeah, that's crazy.
• 41:54
  Yeah, I'm like, oh, give a little edge, but I love the
• 41:58
  outro on that. I love what you do.
• 42:00
  Like honestly, it's really interesting where you go with
• 42:01
  your production. And also it's just like with the
• 42:03
  soundscape of your music. I think the way you play around
• 42:06
  and the way you're performing it and the way that the music is
• 42:08
  just like, it's unexpected, but it's also so pleasant and nice.
• 42:12
  Like I keep going back to that outro.
• 42:14
  It's so good. And you also did it on
• 42:16
  Narcissist as well. Yes, yes.
• 42:18
  Wanna hear something crazy? Spill.
• 42:20
  Actually improved that outro. Shut the hell up on cicadas.
• 42:23
  Yeah, no fucking way. It was like I was.
• 42:25
  Like, what was it, Jake? It was.
• 42:27
  I mean, I improved the melody. I don't think that was like a
• 42:29
  one take that ended up on the record did.
• 42:31
  You get yourself down. No.
• 42:33
  It's got so much deeper. Wait, it's like.
• 42:37
  Maybe there's like, oh, Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 42:41
  Yeah, that one. Literally don't know my song
• 42:45
  not. You gaslighting me.
• 42:46
  And so I was like, wait. That's so funny, I thought you
• 42:48
  meant like the post chorus before the outro, no?
• 42:50
  No, no, straight up like the last 20 seconds.
• 42:52
  Fully forgot that part even existed in the song.
• 42:54
  No, I love that. Right.
• 42:55
  Yeah, yeah, it is pitched out, man.
• 42:56
  It's so pitched out. OK, I was like, am I being
• 42:59
  ghastly? This is so crazy.
• 43:00
  No, I just like, you know, shape shift.
• 43:02
  You were just like that was that's my voice.
• 43:04
  Why? Like what are you talking about?
• 43:07
  What's wrong with it? Do I sound weird?
• 43:09
  That's crazy. No, I love that that's.
• 43:11
  We're good. Wow so I just like did a little
• 43:14
  brag and it wasn't even. No, go off flex it.
• 43:18
  So you, you, you improvised, No. Stop talking about it.
• 43:21
  No. OK well let's move on to a man
• 43:24
  written by a woman. What a beautiful fucking song.
• 43:26
  Where did that come from? You rewrote the verses 6 times
• 43:29
  with your Co writer. Yeah, was touching you and man
• 43:31
  written by a woman. Big fan of urine core.
• 43:34
  So that song I'm like urine core, like you're yearning urine
• 43:38
  core, you know what I mean? I feel like urine pop is my
• 43:41
  favorite so I love that one. I'm I'm a really big lyric
• 43:45
  person. Like how you're talking about
• 43:46
  melody. I really love lyric and I feel
• 43:48
  like these are all so well written because I was like
• 43:51
  looking at it when I was listening and I was like love
• 43:53
  gag. Really well done.
• 43:55
  So this one you rewrote the verses 6 times.
• 43:58
  Like what? Was going on here this is like
• 44:02
  kind of embarrassing but I I feel like I'm chronically
• 44:05
  offline so. So oppo from the early days back
• 44:10
  when we were on mag con. Mag con vine all yes,
• 44:13
  everything. Jack and Jack and Nash miss us.
• 44:16
  They they do. They miss us dearly.
• 44:18
  They they think about those pictures that we took about.
• 44:20
  They do yes. They release 2 cigarettes for
• 44:23
  us. They yes.
• 44:26
  But I was on TikTok and I was like in a comment section which
• 44:30
  sometimes I get song ideas from a TikTok comment section.
• 44:34
  That's a place to find. It's like people go off.
• 44:36
  I don't like copy but like if they say like something.
• 44:39
  If there's a bar bar, yeah. Like this someone said, man,
• 44:45
  it's just like seems like you need a man run by a woman.
• 44:47
  And I was like, Oh my God has two likes like that's insane.
• 44:49
  Like I'm literally going. To wait, that was kind of I was
• 44:52
  like, she. Ate with that Like I've never
• 44:55
  heard that before. Yes, little did I know it's like
• 44:58
  a thing. I haven't heard it before but
• 45:00
  tell you. Well, good.
• 45:01
  You're the originator. Coming up on my page now because
• 45:05
  I like have the the song, but I'm like, I totally thought this
• 45:09
  woman coined it. I was going to give her credit.
• 45:11
  And then like I heard it. I was like, oh.
• 45:13
  You know, that's how Lizzo wrote.
• 45:15
  Good as hell. I think she was like, she said
• 45:16
  she saw a comment that was like hair toss, check me out,
• 45:19
  something like that. And she did go to house.
• 45:20
  So that's really interesting. Yeah.
• 45:23
  I sometimes I see banger tweets and I'm like, I'm just gonna,
• 45:26
  I'm gonna bookmark that. Bookmark it.
• 45:28
  Yeah, bookmark that. We might see her again.
• 45:30
  Yeah, we might see her again and.
• 45:31
  It's nice because it's like real life, you know what I mean?
• 45:34
  Yeah, that's really cool. Like they found it in a TikTok
• 45:36
  comment. Yeah, and I was like, I hit you.
• 45:38
  And I was like, yes, I do need a man ran by a woman, and so do so
• 45:42
  many other. People and you're like, and I'm
• 45:43
  gonna write about it. I am.
• 45:44
  Yeah. Oh my God, I love that one.
• 45:46
  That one's so like, it just feels good.
• 45:50
  It just feels like, it feels like what I just did.
• 45:52
  Like that little sigh of relief, you know?
• 45:53
  It makes me feel seen. So me gets that.
• 45:56
  Yeah. So these EPS were leading up to
• 45:59
  the album, really exciting project, really cohesive world.
• 46:01
  Like everything's like kind of just falling together.
• 46:03
  Super, super pretty. And I'm really excited for the
• 46:06
  next one just because, like you said, it's like you're fit.
• 46:08
  It's the most personal 2. I would say it's quite personal.
• 46:14
  Do you feel like all the music under Whitney Whitney has been
• 46:16
  personal? No.
• 46:17
  Really. Yeah, it's like I have to form.
• 46:20
  There's so touching you was I mean, that was actually.
• 46:22
  Like fantasy though? Quite personal, yeah.
• 46:24
  There's a song called Lucky that's coming out on EP3, and I
• 46:29
  had nothing to write about that day.
• 46:30
  It was like when I was deep in the trenches of sessions and so
• 46:34
  I've been nothing. And I looked down at one of the,
• 46:36
  I was wearing mismatched socks. So I looked down at one of the
• 46:39
  socks I was wearing and it was the starry night.
• 46:41
  And I was like, I wonder like how he painted that?
• 46:44
  Like was it inspiration? What?
• 46:46
  What's the story? So then, yeah, I wrote the verse
• 46:51
  and I was like, that was actually originally going to be
• 46:53
  the chorus. It's not going to make sense
• 46:55
  now, but it's. Fine, I was literally like how
• 46:56
  do we interact with this? I don't know.
• 46:58
  What you're talking about I've not heard this like.
• 46:59
  Yes, yes. No, because in my head I was
• 47:01
  like, I've been there. I've moved things around.
• 47:04
  Yeah, yeah, but that was inspired by a sock.
• 47:09
  That is TikTok comments socks thesaurus is long, long
• 47:14
  sentences. That's where you're pulling
• 47:16
  everything from. But the rest of EP 3 is like
• 47:20
  very very me, very vulnerable. Is that exciting or scary?
• 47:27
  I think it's exciting. Did you sing about or write
• 47:29
  about the voice vocal thing? No, not yet.
• 47:33
  I've tried a lot of times to like write poems or even songs.
• 47:37
  Like while I was going through it, they never were like fire.
• 47:40
  But then I was crying about the voice, silently crying.
• 47:46
  Got to learn how to silently cry after all this.
• 47:49
  But this? Is the saddest thing you've ever
• 47:50
  said that that's your next song? Got to learn how to silently
• 47:54
  cry? That is it.
• 47:55
  That's a sentence. I should actually, Yeah, I'm
• 47:56
  going to write it in my notes, please.
• 47:58
  I'm going to be so excited. About that.
• 48:00
  Great, you'll get. Three points on the master.
• 48:05
  We'll talk about it in our meeting after the marketing
• 48:07
  meeting. OK, Yeah, OK.
• 48:09
  Thinking 0, but that could change.
• 48:11
  I feel like I wrote the song, so I also produced it.
• 48:14
  So we'll see. Yeah, we'll see.
• 48:16
  You signed before the show started 40% of your masters
• 48:19
  anyway, so we could talk about it.
• 48:20
  But you're right. You know, you're right.
• 48:21
  You're right. Contracts we know.
• 48:24
  But yeah, I am writing. I have this idea to.
• 48:27
  I'm going to explain this so badly because I haven't talked
• 48:29
  about this ever, but I have this idea to kind of like do like a
• 48:34
  speaking sort of thing while I'm still recovering.
• 48:38
  And I have all the lyrics for it.
• 48:39
  I even have like the melody, if you will, Not that there's like
• 48:42
  a melody, but record that. And then like I will, I'm going
• 48:48
  to say in the verse, like, and now I'm going to sing the chorus
• 48:51
  like when I'm healed or something like that.
• 48:53
  Yeah. So then I'm going to, yeah.
• 48:55
  So then I'm going to sing the chorus or whatever other parts
• 48:58
  when I'm healed. So that's happening.
• 49:01
  That is genius. I'm on board.
• 49:02
  I totally understood that top to bottom.
• 49:04
  That's really good. So you're going to start there.
• 49:05
  You're going to do that while you're in the situation with the
• 49:07
  voice. Then when you are healed, then
• 49:09
  you're going to come in, you're going to cut the rest.
• 49:11
  See, that's genius. That's meta as fox.
• 49:12
  I like meta songwriting. I really like meta songwriting.
• 49:15
  I like things. I acknowledge that this is a
• 49:16
  song I write about. I write that all the time where
• 49:18
  I'm like, now I'm writing about you in the lyric.
• 49:20
  Like that's what I like, you know what I mean?
• 49:21
  Like it's just that's exciting just as an artist in general.
• 49:25
  OK, that is big sleigh. I love how we are your spiritual
• 49:28
  awakening. We're correcting on Wikipedia,
• 49:30
  but how delulu are you? I ask every guest who come on
• 49:35
  the show what their most delulu take is like.
• 49:37
  What is the craziest thing you believe could be silly,
• 49:40
  controversial, serious, whatever whatever is like the most insane
• 49:44
  Whitney Whitney thought you have you got lots of.
• 49:47
  Them that's so it's so crazy because like last night I was
• 49:51
  like because I didn't get the questions beforehand.
• 49:53
  So I was like I. Wonder not my fault.
• 49:54
  For some no, no, no, no one's fault, no one's fault.
• 49:56
  And I was like excited to go in cold, but but I was thinking
• 50:02
  like, Oh my God, what if he asked me that exact question?
• 50:05
  I like haven't because I wow. And I like was like, no, he's
• 50:08
  not going to do that. No, I didn't so.
• 50:11
  Did you, did you prepare? No, no, just in.
• 50:13
  Case I like literally thought of so many things that were just
• 50:15
  way too far to say and I just so how about I go with I don't
• 50:22
  think Selena Gomez is Selena Gomez and that's like a kind of
• 50:27
  that kind of blew up on the Internet like a month ago.
• 50:29
  That is so crazy. Bro, she's not the same.
• 50:31
  Was that a natural thought you came up with, or do you see a
• 50:34
  conspiracy? No, I've not.
• 50:36
  Seen this conspiracy? Really I should give I'm
• 50:39
  chronically not online me chronically not.
• 50:41
  Online but like I'm sometimes I fall into the rabbit holes of
• 50:45
  like the conspiracy theories that are like more fun rather
• 50:48
  than like. That is, that is the craziest
• 50:51
  thing anyone's ever said on the show.
• 50:53
  I so mean that. I'm so I'm so I I don't have a
• 50:59
  take on that. That's OK.
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  You out to Lulu me. You out to Lulu me.
• 51:04
  I would mine was Nash Grier would be a Whitney.
• 51:06
  Whitney is a Whitney Whitney fan.
• 51:08
  You never know. He is coming in Lollapalooza to
• 51:10
  see you. He might be outside right now.
• 51:13
  He is outside right now. He stalks me.
• 51:14
  With the kakadas. The Kakadas?
• 51:17
  Good guess. OK, that was pretty Lulu, Yeah.
• 51:20
  I'll send you some videos. Oh my.
• 51:23
  God. OK, yes, I'll dive into that.
• 51:25
  No, like it's I'm 100% convinced you're.
• 51:27
  Gonna have to send me the videos.
• 51:28
  Send me the videos, I'll watch the videos.
• 51:30
  I'll watch the videos. OK so we also close every show
• 51:34
  by manifesting together. This was so much fun and I love
• 51:36
  yapping with you and wish we could yap so much more but you
• 51:38
  know I don't want to lose my voice.
• 51:40
  You got it. Yeah, you got.
• 51:42
  Yeah, we all got a. Little Rusty, you got it.
• 51:45
  You got it. So with the last muster of what
• 51:47
  we can voice right now, what do you want to speak into existence
• 51:50
  here on the show? I would love to speak into
• 51:53
  existence my full healing and 0 pain while talking and singing
• 52:01
  and full vocal health by a month before Lollapalooza so I can
• 52:07
  rehearse properly. Yes, and it's happening.
• 52:14
  It's happening. It's actually happening.
• 52:16
  Claiming, claiming, claiming. I actually felt that.
• 52:19
  Me too. Bro it's actually happened, I
• 52:20
  know. That's dead ass I'm I'm healed.
• 52:22
  That is crazy. You're healed and to be honest,
• 52:24
  this wasn't even that bad. You're like, it was really.
• 52:26
  Good. Yeah.
• 52:26
  Am I? Did I sip my tea every few
• 52:28
  sentences? Yes.
• 52:29
  And that's why we provided the tea, yes.
• 52:33
  And then she also said before the show, Sir, that this is the
• 52:35
  best podcast she's ever been on. Or it will be.
• 52:39
  I definitely said those words. She said them word for word,
• 52:41
  verbatim. That's that's right.
• 52:43
  But actually, out of the two full podcasts I've done in my
• 52:47
  life. Yes.
• 52:50
  I had a great time on both. Fuck you bro PR train she's
• 52:54
  media train down. Damn you're a dream.
• 52:57
  My I know I stress my publicist out so bad.
• 52:59
  I just did so funny. My entire team was there, just
• 53:02
  did a panel and I was talking so much shit on it.
• 53:05
  And every time I looked up at them, they were like, they come
• 53:09
  up to me after. They're like, oh, so they told
• 53:11
  Charlie they were like, are you not going to media train Ryan?
• 53:14
  And Charlie was like, Ryan is media train.
• 53:16
  Ryan just does not care. I.
• 53:18
  Was like I don't care. That's just fun.
• 53:21
  We want to be authentic, you know?
• 53:22
  Of course, you got it. I'm manifesting all that for you
• 53:25
  too. Thanks.
• 53:26
  That's super slay. I'm super excited for you.
• 53:28
  What? Do you want to manifest?
• 53:30
  You're also you're healing as well.
• 53:31
  I want to manifest that my music keeps getting better and I keep
• 53:35
  loving the songs that I'm excited about them and that I
• 53:39
  keep working with people who make me feel good and inspired
• 53:44
  and excited about music because I just feel like it's so it
• 53:47
  could be. So you've been there, you know,
• 53:48
  it's like when you're working with different people and stuff
• 53:52
  like that, it's like you have to find your people.
• 53:54
  You know what I mean? You have a good team.
• 53:55
  I've noticed in your credits you have a lot of the same names
• 53:57
  along them. So like, that's great.
• 53:59
  That's nice. See, that's what I'm that's what
• 54:01
  my album is going to look like too, because it's like when you
• 54:03
  find the right people, I'm like, why would I want to do anything
• 54:05
  else? A million percent well.
• 54:07
  Manifesting that for you as well.
• 54:09
  Thank you and pop stardom, it's happening, period.
• 54:13
  Yay. Well, Whitney, thank you so much
• 54:15
  for being here and thank you so much to the Delulu besties for
• 54:19
  watching. This was your healthy dose of
• 54:21
  delulu. So now you can go live your true
• 54:23
  Lulu, Miss Whitney. Whitney, where can the bestie
• 54:26
  besties find you? The bestie besties can find me
• 54:30
  find me Whitney Whitney on on all the platforms under Whitney
• 54:35
  Whitney and then Instagram is Whitney Whitney but each Whitney
• 54:38
  has two YS which is Whitney Whitney was taken.
• 54:41
  But that's meta because Whitney Whitney is also 2 Whitney.
• 54:43
  'S Oh my God, it's got chills. Wait, so I haven't never thought
• 54:47
  about that. Put me on your marketing team.
• 54:50
  I'm a Selda. That was actually intentional.
• 54:53
  We did that on purpose for the double.
• 54:56
  We're doubling down on the branding doubling.
• 55:00
  WWW. WW Whitney Squared Whitney,
• 55:05
  Whitney Whitney. With two.
• 55:08
  YS for Instagram, but on Spotify you can find her out.
• 55:10
  Whitney Whitney and I really love how clean your discography
• 55:13
  looks there. Everything is so refined and
• 55:16
  fresh and streamlined, very easy to listen.
• 55:19
  It's not cluttered with a bunch of releases, which is so
• 55:23
  pleasant and nice. So everyone go check out Whitney
• 55:25
  Whitney on Spotify Air whenever you stream music.
• 55:28
  We love Spotify here at the Lulu.
• 55:30
  And if you could follow the podcast on Spotify and click the
• 55:32
  bell buttons, be notified of every new episode, every Tululu
• 55:34
  Thursday, I would really appreciate that.
• 55:37
  And if you could also do us a favor and rate the podcast 5
• 55:39
  stars. Whitney, Whitney and I will do
• 55:43
  spoken word poetry for you in a very vocal rest way.
• 55:48
  Agree to it. There we go.
• 55:50
  And if you guys want more of this podcast, please check out
• 55:52
  my passes at the top of my page and you can find me out of
• 55:55
  motions across all my platforms, E period, MO, period TIONS and
• 55:59
  the exclusive podcast account at delulu BFF.
• 56:01
  Also across all platforms, say to Lulu Besties.