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Sarah’s Day Slams Son’s School For Denying Holiday Leave · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
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  Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Sophie Torber and coming up on today's show, Sarah's Day
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  Speaker 1: slams her son's school over holiday debacle and Steph Clare
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  Speaker 1: Smith's baby bonanza. But first, Em Davies and Lucy Jackson
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  Speaker 1: have shocked their followers by revealing how many times they've
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  Speaker 1: ordered Uber Eats. Now this is all part of a
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  Speaker 1: TikTok trend called the Uber Eats Challenge. And it is
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  Speaker 1: all over my For You page at the moment. But
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  Speaker 1: for those who haven't seen it, there's a setting in
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  Speaker 1: the Uber Eats app that tells you how many times
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  Speaker 1: you've ordered. I wanna know, is this a new feature
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  Speaker 1: that Uber Eats is trying to promote or has someone
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  Speaker 1: just stumbled across it? Because either way, it seems like
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  Speaker 1: good PR for Uber Eats. Well, it's great PR because
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  Speaker 1: Nikki and Lucy ended up sharing this video that's had
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  Speaker 1: over 310,000 views. And in it, they exposed their order numbers.
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  Speaker 1: So to make it more entertaining, they guessed their numbers
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  Speaker 1: before they were revealed. So Nikki guessed 200 and she
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  Speaker 1: was pretty close. She ordered 147 times. As for Lucy,
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  Speaker 1: she shocked everyone by revealing she had ordered Uber Eats
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  Speaker 1: 545 times. I want to know, is this over the
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  Speaker 1: past year or is this the lifetime of them having
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  Speaker 1: the app? Well, when I originally saw it, I thought
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  Speaker 1: it was over a year and I was like, oh
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  Speaker 1: my God, has she been ordering Uber Eats twice a day? However,
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  Speaker 1: the figure is a summary of the lifetime of the app. Well,
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  Speaker 1: thank God.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But even so, that is a lot of orders. Uber
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  Speaker 1: Eats even commented on the video writing, dull, that's outrageous.
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  Speaker 1: The fact that Uber Eats is commenting and getting in
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  Speaker 1: on this makes me feel like it's part of an
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  Speaker 1: overarching marketing strategy. See, I actually don't think that's the
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  Speaker 1: case because a lot of the conversations around it is
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  Speaker 1: that people are ashamed about how many times they're ordering
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  Speaker 1: from the app and that they need to cut back. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I suppose. Well, it was quite interesting because Em Davies
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  Speaker 1: also got in on the action. So she filmed a
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  Speaker 1: video with Nikki and Em guessed that she had ordered
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  Speaker 1: Uber Eats 950 times. And even though that sounds like
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  Speaker 1: an outrageous number, she had actually underestimated just how many
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  Speaker 1: times she'd ordered. Let's have a listen to what she said.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to be bad.
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  Speaker 2: I'm scared.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's not bad.
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  Speaker 3: You have ordered Uber Eats 1,277 times. That's why my
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  Speaker 3: financial advisor is like, stop.
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 3: I thought 900 was a stretch. I'm hungry.
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  Speaker 1: I love how Nikki audibly gasped. I mean, I thought
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  Speaker 1: Lucy's was ridiculous. And then I heard M. Davies. Isn't
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  Speaker 1: this just typical of influencers though? They're the ones who
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  Speaker 1: have disposable income, even though they've probably got more time
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  Speaker 1: than any of us to cook. They're like, nah, fuck it.
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  Speaker 1: I'll order it. I mean, I love the concept of
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  Speaker 1: Uber Eats and the ease of just being able to
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  Speaker 1: get something delivered. But I haven't looked at what my
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  Speaker 1: number is. I would think that it's probably a handful
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  Speaker 1: of times I've actually ordered from their Because I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to pay for delivery. And I also find that
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  Speaker 1: when it's delivered, it's often very cold. See, I use
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  Speaker 1: it more. I actually did look at my number and
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  Speaker 1: I have ordered it over the eight years. I've had
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  Speaker 1: it 11 times. I know that's not a huge amount.
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  Speaker 1: That's not very many. But my husband also uses his
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  Speaker 1: app and he is the one that usually orders our takeaway.
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  Speaker 1: And he had 200 times. See, I would rather just
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  Speaker 1: jump in my car, go down the road and make
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  Speaker 1: sure that the food is hot. Like I think it
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  Speaker 1: takes a particularly lazy person to want to order on
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  Speaker 1: there that many times. Yeah, I think it's a pretty
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  Speaker 1: brave thing to do to expose your number, particularly if
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  Speaker 1: you're M Davies or Lucy Jackson because I think it
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  Speaker 1: does say a lot about you as a person because
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  Speaker 1: when I heard their numbers, I immediately started making assumptions
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  Speaker 1: about their financial situation. you know, if the number's really high,
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  Speaker 1: you're like, oh, they must be earning so much money.
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  Speaker 1: They don't even have to think about spending money on takeaway.
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  Speaker 1: And I also began to question their priorities and whether
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  Speaker 1: they should just be making their food at home. I
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  Speaker 1: think there's also a lazy connotation added to it. But
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  Speaker 1: then there's also a lot of people that have been
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  Speaker 1: wearing it as a badge of honor. Do you know
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  Speaker 1: what really irritates me? When I'm down at a takeaway store,
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  Speaker 1: like just say Zambrero's, for instance, and I have to
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  Speaker 1: wait for them to make the Uber Eats people's orders.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm fucking in the store. I've bothered
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  Speaker 1: to Get myself out on a winter night, stand in
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  Speaker 1: the store, order. And I'm having to wait for these
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  Speaker 1: people at home who are being lazy. Oh, it pisses
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  Speaker 1: me off too. It has really screwed over how quick
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  Speaker 1: takeaway places are. In terms of M Davies, she ended
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  Speaker 1: up sharing a follow-up video to explain herself a little
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  Speaker 1: bit further. This is what she said.
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  Speaker 3: I think I genuinely need to be put in rehab
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  Speaker 3: for Uber Eats. Like I've been looking at everyone else's
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  Speaker 3: on TikTok and The worst part is Joel pretty much
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  Speaker 3: cooks for me every night on the barbecue. So I
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  Speaker 3: really don't have any excuse apart.
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  Speaker 1: From the fact that I'm a mum.
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  Speaker 3: I reckon like, yeah, yeah, there's a serious problem there.
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  Speaker 1: It's probably a house deposit. Now, Em went on to
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  Speaker 1: say that 70% of her Uber Eats orders were from Nando's,
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  Speaker 1: which is something that she could easily make at home. Now,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people were trying to let her off
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  Speaker 1: the hook and said, look, you're a mum. Nikki Westcott
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  Speaker 1: weighed in though and said, ha ha ha, Joel said
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  Speaker 1: you'd order a packet of chips from the survey if
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  Speaker 1: the mood striked and coffees most days to be fair.
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  Speaker 1: Someone else pointed out that M. Davies has had the
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  Speaker 1: app for around eight years, but it's only been a
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  Speaker 1: month or less than one. Well, it's quite interesting because
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  Speaker 1: when you crunch the numbers, so she's been on the app,
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  Speaker 1: as you say, for around eight years, that works out
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  Speaker 1: to 170 orders a year. So she is ordering from
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  Speaker 1: Uber Eats roughly two to three times A week. That
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  Speaker 1: is a lot. I mean, even her financial advisor has
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  Speaker 1: got involved and said that she needs to stop ordering
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  Speaker 1: from Uber Eats.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, I wasn't even going to bring this back up
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  Speaker 2: because I'm just like, oh, erasing it from my mind.
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  Speaker 2: And I also know that it's going to ruffle, oh, thank.
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  Speaker 1: You, a few people's feathers. Sarah's day has slammed her
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  Speaker 1: son Fox's school after they denied him leave to attend
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  Speaker 1: a family trip to Fiji. Despite the decision from the school,
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  Speaker 1: the self-proclaimed holistic health princess still pulled the six-year-old out
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  Speaker 1: of class for the vacation. Soph, can you tell us more? Well,
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  Speaker 1: Sarah and her family have been in Fiji celebrating her
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  Speaker 1: mum's 60th and also her sister's 30th. And it's actually
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  Speaker 1: the first time that Sarah has been overseas with her
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  Speaker 1: parents and sisters. But it is one of many of
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  Speaker 1: her trips with her husband and kids over the past
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  Speaker 1: few years. I feel like they've been to Fiji quite
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  Speaker 1: a few times in the last five years. And Hawaii.
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  Speaker 1: Hawaii is one of their favorite places to go to.
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  Speaker 1: And whilst over the past week, we've seen a lot
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  Speaker 1: of happy snaps and vision of the extended family having
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  Speaker 1: the time of their lives on this holiday, we have
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  Speaker 1: since discovered that the trip got off to a pretty
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  Speaker 1: sour note because while Sarah and her family were at
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  Speaker 1: the airport waiting to board their flight, Sarah got an
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  Speaker 1: email from her son Fox's school saying that his leave
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  Speaker 1: had not been approved and it was important for him
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  Speaker 1: to be at school learning. Now Fox turned six in
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  Speaker 1: March and that's actually the same month he started school
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  Speaker 1: because It's compulsory in New South Wales for a child
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  Speaker 1: to start school by the time they're six years old. However,
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  Speaker 1: it's normal for them to actually start when they're five
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  Speaker 1: years old. Yeah, most parents try and get their kids
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  Speaker 1: into school as early as they can and start that education.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean, I wonder if it's due to flexibility.
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  Speaker 1: She wanted him at home more to lead more of
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  Speaker 1: a flexible lifestyle with him. I'm really not sure. I
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  Speaker 1: suppose it's her personal decision. But despite knowing that this
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  Speaker 1: news about the school would ruffle feathers, she decided to
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  Speaker 1: share this update with her 1.2 million followers anyway. She
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  Speaker 1: jumped on her Instagram stories while she was walking on
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  Speaker 1: a beach in Fiji and explained that as it's her
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  Speaker 1: son's first year of school, she was unaware of the
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  Speaker 1: school's policy for leave. Now, she prefaced that Fox didn't
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  Speaker 1: go to a special school, aka she wanted everyone to
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  Speaker 1: know that he's at a public school and not a
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  Speaker 1: fancy private school. And she was quite surprised by the
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  Speaker 1: depth of the application process. Now, the school's rules stated
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  Speaker 1: that she had to apply for leave because her son
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  Speaker 1: was going to be away for longer than three days.
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  Speaker 1: They were actually spending a week in Fiji. Let's have
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  Speaker 1: a listen to some of what Sarah said.
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  Speaker 2: So I basically fill in this like extended leave form.
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  Speaker 2: I talk to the receptionist girl and.
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  Speaker 1: She's like, yep, all good.
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  Speaker 2: You just have to send us now like proof of
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  Speaker 2: your flights.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, cool.
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  Speaker 2: So I sent in proof of my flights. They responded
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  Speaker 2: by email saying, sweet, we've got everything we need for
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  Speaker 2: this getaway or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: And I said, obviously, this is his grandma's 60th trip.
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  Speaker 1: It's really important.
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  Speaker 2: He's only missing five days of school. Anyway, so day
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  Speaker 2: one of the trip, I get an email back.
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  Speaker 1: We're at the airport.
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  Speaker 2: And basically, it says that Fox's leave hasn't been approved. Yeah, anyway,
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  Speaker 2: I could go on and on about it. And I
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  Speaker 2: think if you're a mom like me, you get it. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: I want him to learn how to read and write
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  Speaker 2: and be in the classroom and everything. But I'm not like,
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  Speaker 2: I haven't pulled him out of school for like a month.
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  Speaker 2: And it's not like he's not, anyway, whatever, whatever. But
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  Speaker 2: I responded and I was like, okay, well, we're at
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  Speaker 2: the airport. Like, thanks, I guess.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, whatever, whatever. Love school. The fact that she referred
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  Speaker 1: to the receptionist as that receptionist girl, like that just
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  Speaker 1: shows the amount of respect that was going on. It
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  Speaker 1: was quite patronizing. It's clear that she knew that this
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  Speaker 1: was going to be a controversial take because she prefaced
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  Speaker 1: the post by saying that she was likely going to
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  Speaker 1: ruffle some feathers. I just am at a loss as
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  Speaker 1: to why you would take a pot shot at your
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  Speaker 1: child's school. It's easily something that she could have just
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  Speaker 1: kept private. I mean, there's no question in my mind
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  Speaker 1: that this is getting back to the school that either
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  Speaker 1: through the parents or the staff who may follow her. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and it seems like she maybe wanted it to get
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  Speaker 1: back there because why else would you put this out?
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  Speaker 1: She was clearly pissed off about it. And I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you can already see where the school stands on this.
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  Speaker 1: There's going to be a bit of animosity when she
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  Speaker 1: goes back into the classroom because they've made the decision
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  Speaker 1: that it's in his best interest that he be at
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  Speaker 1: school learning yet she's just been like no he's going
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  Speaker 1: to miss the whole week I mean that's going to
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  Speaker 1: put him behind I mean as someone whose parents are
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  Speaker 1: both teachers I maybe I look at this from a
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  Speaker 1: different perspective but I feel for the teacher in this
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  Speaker 1: situation because not only is the teacher now going to
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  Speaker 1: have to invest more time in Foxe They're going to
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  Speaker 1: have to take time away from the other kids in
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  Speaker 1: the class to make sure that he is then up
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  Speaker 1: to speed with what's going on. And that would not
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  Speaker 1: only be stressful for the teacher in the class, but
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  Speaker 1: also Fox. I'm interested to know what the ramifications are
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  Speaker 1: for ignoring the school, because I personally, I didn't know
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  Speaker 1: that a school could actually say, no, you can't take
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  Speaker 1: your kid on a holiday. I understand why they have
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  Speaker 1: that process in place, though, because it's very disruptive for
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  Speaker 1: the child and also the class, as you were saying. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I was talking about it to my husband. His dad
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  Speaker 1: is also a teacher. And we were like, oh, I'd
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  Speaker 1: never really heard about this happening when we were kids.
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  Speaker 1: And it's because at school you get so many holidays.
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  Speaker 1: Like every 10 weeks you then get two weeks of holidays.
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  Speaker 1: At the end of the year you get five weeks
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  Speaker 1: of holidays. Most everyday people also have to lodge holidays
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  Speaker 1: with their own work. So generally you try and fit
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  Speaker 1: around those school holiday times, even though it can be
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  Speaker 1: more expensive to go away. Well, I suppose from our
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  Speaker 1: family's perspective too, with our parents being teachers, we went
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  Speaker 1: on holidays because they had the break then. So it
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  Speaker 1: is more difficult for parents who aren't teachers to align
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  Speaker 1: their holidays with the school holidays.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And that's why there's generally more planning. In this instance,
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  Speaker 1: it felt like a bit of a last minute decision.
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  Speaker 1: It seemed like this form was lodged very late, which
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  Speaker 1: is why the school only got back to her when
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  Speaker 1: they were at the airport. It also really demonstrates the
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  Speaker 1: different lifestyle that influences lead. I She is used to
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  Speaker 1: locking in a trip whenever she pleases due to the
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  Speaker 1: flexibility of her working for herself. And she's also got
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  Speaker 1: a disposable income. I mean, we saw it recently with
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  Speaker 1: Molly Mae. She decided to book a family trip with
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  Speaker 1: Tommy and Bambi to Dubai and they booked it in
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  Speaker 1: a day before they left. So they don't have the
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  Speaker 1: confines of the real world like us. They can just
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  Speaker 1: book whenever they want. So it's kind of interesting when
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  Speaker 1: people then send their kids to school and they have
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  Speaker 1: to abide by someone else's rules that they have a
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  Speaker 1: problem with it. Yeah, it makes me wonder whether she
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  Speaker 1: held back enrolling Fox into school for this very reason
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  Speaker 1: that she didn't want to have to abide by their rules.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know what I also found confusing? She seemed
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  Speaker 1: to be pleading a lot of ignorance in this case
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  Speaker 1: about the school's policies. But many people who have listened
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  Speaker 1: to our Sarah's Day deep dive episode will know that
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  Speaker 1: She actually studied to become a primary school teacher before
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  Speaker 1: her YouTube took off. I think she only had a
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  Speaker 1: semester or so to go, but she was doing pracs
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  Speaker 1: within school. So surely she would have some understanding of
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  Speaker 1: the policies in place for leave. I also thought maybe
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  Speaker 1: she would have a different stance on the importance of
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  Speaker 1: education as well. Or some respect for teachers. I have
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  Speaker 1: seen some people say, oh, well, he's probably learning more
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  Speaker 1: on this trip than he would be back at school.
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  Speaker 1: because obviously people learn about different cultures and through experiences.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think about that theory? Well, I think
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  Speaker 1: that is a pretty good point, but he has been
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  Speaker 1: to Fiji fairly recently, I think maybe within the last
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  Speaker 1: year to six months. So I'm not sure how much
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  Speaker 1: more beneficial it would be going again. But also when
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  Speaker 1: you go to a place like Fiji, typically you are
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  Speaker 1: stuck in a resort. With a tourist bubble, aren't you? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I understand that obviously they have some traditional dances that
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  Speaker 1: come into the resort and those sort of things. But
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  Speaker 1: I'd hardly say it's the same as going to Europe
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  Speaker 1: where you're going to be going on different excursions and
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  Speaker 1: learning about history and that sort of thing. I think
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  Speaker 1: age also comes into it as well. With Fox being
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  Speaker 1: six and being a little bit delayed at primary school,
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  Speaker 1: the hope probably was from his teachers that he would
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  Speaker 1: do a couple of terms of reception and then go
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  Speaker 1: into year one. However, this holiday may have delayed that
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  Speaker 1: process a little bit. I also think that it sends
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  Speaker 1: a bad message to him that you can just leave
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  Speaker 1: school whenever you want to go on a holiday. And
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  Speaker 1: I mean, reception in year one, they're really fundamental years
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  Speaker 1: where you are learning the absolute basics that you need
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  Speaker 1: to then progress into the next years. I just don't
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  Speaker 1: understand why she's publicly put it out there that the
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  Speaker 1: school isn't happy with her decision as well. The fact
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  Speaker 1: that she's been in this business for 10 years, she
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  Speaker 1: is savvy enough to know that her critics and even
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  Speaker 1: the media, they're going to create a narrative about this
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  Speaker 1: self-important influencer who has pulled their son out of school
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  Speaker 1: to go on a lavish holiday, which is exactly what
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  Speaker 1: the Daily Mail did. And I just wonder if maybe
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  Speaker 1: she's so out of touch and was so mad that
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  Speaker 1: the school scolded her in this way that she just
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  Speaker 1: wanted that instant affirmation from her supporters and wanted reassurance
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  Speaker 1: from other mums that maybe she made the right decision
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  Speaker 1: because she kept saying, oh, the mums will get it.
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  Speaker 1: I felt like saying, I don't actually think they will.
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  Speaker 1: I think she's probably just surrounded by yes people. And
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  Speaker 1: this is the first time in a long time someone
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  Speaker 1: has said no to her. Yeah. I also wonder if
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  Speaker 1: she's trying to get a bit of engagement. She hasn't
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  Speaker 1: created much controversy for a while now. And that is
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  Speaker 1: reflected in her view count. I mean, obviously she's still
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  Speaker 1: getting okay views, but it's nowhere near to the engagement
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  Speaker 1: she used to get.
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  Speaker 3: So I realized I kind of shot myself in the
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  Speaker 3: foot with the whole like countdown to the baby coming
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  Speaker 3: because now it's making the anticipation even more so.
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: Steph Claire Smith and her husband Josh Miller announced the
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: arrival of their baby daughter on Friday night. The fitness
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  Speaker 1: influencer and model struck up a deal with Vogue magazine,
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: releasing exclusive photos from her birthing suite. Sophie, we've been
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: on baby watch for a while now. Yeah, this feels
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: like one of the longest pregnancies. And I don't know
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: if it's because I've been experiencing it alongside Steph Clare-Smith
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: in a parasocial way, because I think that you have
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: this special connection with influencers when you're pregnant around the
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: same time as them. She's only a few weeks ahead
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: of me. And I keep looking at her as to
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: what I'm expecting next. That influencer for me was Jade Tunchi.
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: So we've spoken about it recently, but when she's gone
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: for round two, I was like, honey, I'm not up
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: to that yet. I think there was also more anticipation
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: around this pregnancy because Steph Glessmith and her husband, they
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: decided to keep the gender a secret. That made it
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: really exciting for us playing at home. And you can
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: tell Steph was absolutely over the moon when she found
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: out that she had a little girl. Yeah, well, it
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: looked like she had some sort of professional photographer in
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: the birthing suite because she shared this carousel of very
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: beautiful black and white photos of the moment she discovered
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: the gender. And in one of the photos, she is
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: literally screaming in excitement and then she burst into tears.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: So she shared these on social media and wrote one
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: of the most euphoric feelings in the world. These snaps
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: are raw moments of us finding out our little one's gender.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: And my gosh, the surprise was so, so special. It
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: was you in there all along. The way you came
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: out so calm, so alert, just looking straight into my eyes.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: I fell in love instantly. So grateful to have another
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: little being to love like this. Now she dubbed these
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: photos as their gender reveal. Is this going to be
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: a new thing? We've got cakes and we've got the
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: glitter guns. Is this now going to be a thing
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: where people who decide to have the surprise have a
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: professional photographer in there to capture the moments that the
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: parents discover the gender? Well, maybe just for influences. I mean,
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: it did get me thinking because I found out the
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: gender of my baby. And if I were to have
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: a second one, Seeing this photo, I was like, maybe
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: it would be nice to find out in the delivery room.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: I think there's something special about not finding out the
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: second time because there can be a bit of gender
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: disappointment if you're really gunning for a particular gender. And
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: then I think in the moment, obviously, birth is so
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: beautiful and exciting that whatever you get, you're going to
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: be happy with. If I was to have another boy,
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh, that's amazing, brothers, because I do
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: think that there is a special connection between that same
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: sex siblings have. And then if it was a girl,
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: I'd be so excited because I'd have one of each.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: So I think when it gets to the point where
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: you'd be excited about both, that's when maybe you're like, okay,
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: we'll have it as a surprise. Yeah. We got to
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: talk about the name. So they have called their baby girl,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: Billy Claire Miller. And I thought it was pretty iconic
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: that they put the Claire in there. Yeah. I like
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: that nod to her name because She's become known as
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: Steph Clare Smith. Claire is obviously her middle name. It's
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: a brand, isn't it? Yeah. Not a lot of us
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: go by our full name with our middle name. I
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: think it was an Instagram thing where Steph Smith would
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: have been taken. Olivia Rogers does it as well. A
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: lot of people know her as Olivia Molly Rogers. I
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: don't know if it was just Instagram. I mean, I
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: think it's the fact that Steph Smith sounds pretty shit.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: Like it doesn't, it sounds pretty plain. But Steph Clare Smith,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: that sounds good. Exactly. You've got to throw the middle
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: name in there. I am just predicting that we're going
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: to have an onslaught of baby girls called Billie. Well,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: it's been a popular name for a while. Like Bec
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Judd's daughter is called Billie and she's about eight years old. Actually,
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: I checked the charts and it ranks at number 63
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: in Australia. So it's not as popular as what I
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: thought it was. I think it was a while ago.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: So maybe she's bringing it back. Well, Steph said that
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: when it came to girls' names, they had been set
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: on Billie for quite a while, but they were struggling to...
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: to come up with boys' names. She said they had
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: around three boys' names that they liked, but they weren't
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: in love with any of them, so it was quite
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: a relief that they had a girl. It's hard when
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: you already have a boy and you've picked your favourite name,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: so it does seem like, oh, I don't really know.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: When asked why she gave her daughter the same middle name,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Steph explained that they all share Josh's family name and
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: she loves that it allows her to have this other
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: identity outside of her work as Steph Clare Smith, but
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: she still wanted her daughter to have a connection to
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: her Smith family name, And as soon as she said
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Billy Claire, she said the decision was done. It just
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: flowed and sounded really lovely. See, when the name was
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: first revealed, I was like, doesn't Josh have a sister
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: called Billy? His sister is actually called Bailey. So they've
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: got a Bailey Miller and now a Billy Miller. I
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: feel like they're different enough though. But there's a lot
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: of I's and L's going on. Like it's a very...
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: matchy matchy name but when you stick Claire in there
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: it kind of I mean Claire's got L and I
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: in it as well. Maybe Billie will have to just
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: be known as Billie Claire the whole time. Yeah I
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: actually think she probably will be. It probably shouldn't have
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: been surprising to me that there was this professional photographer
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: in the birthing suite because Steph had lined up an
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: exclusive deal with Vogue magazine, which I think surprised some
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: people because we've seen Vogue covering a lot of influencers' weddings.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen them covering influencers' births. I'm wondering if
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: it will get printed in the monthly edition or if
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: this is just an online thing because I think there's
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: a lot of prestige around being featured in Vogue, particularly weddings.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen Tammy Hembrough, M Davies, a podcast
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: of Victoria Devine, but I don't know if they're actually
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: printed in the magazine. I think when you're printed in
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: the magazine, it's a different level. I think these will
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: just be online versions. I'm really curious to how this
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: deal actually works because as you said, there's a lot
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: of prestige involved in being in Vogue, even if it's
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: just the online edition. And there's a lot of influencers
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: who will agree to be in there for free. just
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: for the exposure. In some instances, I've actually heard of
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: lesser known influencers trying to buy their way into Vogue,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: particularly when it comes to weddings. Apparently, if you see
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: an influencer wedding in UK Vogue, they've definitely paid for it. Oh, okay.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: But in this case, I wonder if Vogue agreed to
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: spruik her fitness app, Kik, in exchange for the exposure
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: or if there was money exchanged. It was a little
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: bit different this time around because with the weddings, normally
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: the influencers will hold off sharing their photos until they
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: share them concurrently with Vogue. However, Steph announced the arrival
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: of her baby before the Vogue spread went out. Well,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: that's what made me think that potentially this article was
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: just a bit of extra exposure for Kik and for Steph,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Claire Smith as a brand. She wasn't getting paid. Well,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: I suppose Vogue did get a lot out of it
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: because they got a bunch of exclusive photos. And Steph
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: also wrote the article herself. So she was writing about
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: different parts of motherhood. It was clear she wrote it
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: before actually giving birth. Oh, yeah. I mean, I was
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: expecting a bit more from the article. It was quite short,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: didn't really give that much away. Something that has sparked
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: debate is the so-called body checking that people think she's
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: been doing after birth. It is something that fitness influencers
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: like Sarah's Day and Tammy Hembrough were also accused of.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: I feel like the term body checking gets thrown around
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: a lot, but sometimes there's confusion as to what it
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: actually is. In terms of influencers, it's when they'll generally
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: film themselves examining certain parts of their body in the mirror.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: So when it comes to a postpartum body check, they
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: will show how their body looks straight after giving birth.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: So they focus on touching their stomach or showing certain
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: areas that have changed. And I feel like on TikTok
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: in particular, body checking has become so normalized, not just
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: with postpartum women, But with a lot of lifestyle influences,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you reflect, we'll see food influences sharing
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: a what I eat in the day video and they'll
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: flash us their stomachs or we'll see influences in the
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: gym showing us their muscles. I feel like these happen
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: a lot in fit checks as well because it's an
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: excuse for a creator to show you a number of
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: different angles of their bodies and for them to focus
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: on certain parts. But it's all in the guise of
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: showing you the outfit when in reality, they're trying to
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: show you how skinny they are. Yeah, but I think
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: we have seen this shift on TikTok in particular with
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: everyday women coming online and showing what their real postpartum
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: body looks like. And it's been really helpful for a
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: lot of mums that are like, oh, wow, I can
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: see myself within that person. Because there was a time
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: where a lot of influencers and celebrities would just show
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: how quickly they, quote, bounce back and you wouldn't see
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: this in-between thing. And I think that's what Steph has
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: been trying to do. Well, that's what can be dangerous though,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: is that often fitness influencers can disguise this as being
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: innocent content. So a lot of the time, postpartum body
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: checks are generally shared by fitness influencers who are keen
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: to show us their starting point after having a baby.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: And a lot of the time they are trying to
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: spruik a fitness plan afterwards. Yeah. It feels very much
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: like this is my before. And that's why they're being
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: so open because They know that their after is going
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: to impress everyone. And that's the thing. It triggers a
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: lot of women because there's a lot of comparison because
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: for those fitness influencers, they think that they're being super
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: relatable by showing their stomach after birth because for them,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: they're used to having a flat stomach and abs. So
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: a little bit of a pouch for them is like,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: oh my goodness, this is extreme. But a lot of
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: women would see that image and be like, wow, I
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: didn't even have that before I gave birth. Yeah. And
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: as you touched on earlier, Sophie, Tammy Hembrough also copped
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: flack after showing off her postpartum body. So after she
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: gave birth to her daughter, Posey, she shared a bunch
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: of mirror selfies showing her body at different angles. And
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: you could see that she still had abs and a
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: very flat looking stomach. And while she acknowledged that people
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: should never compare themselves, she said that she wanted to
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: motivate and inspire people. and then went into detail about
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: how she stayed as active as possible before and during
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: her pregnancy, of course, using her Tammy Fit app. She
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: then prefaced that she couldn't wait to get back into
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: the fitness program once she was 12 weeks postpartum. And
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Tammy Hembrough, of course, got so many followers to begin
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: with on Instagram for sharing her fitness journey when she
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: was pregnant with her first son, Wolf. Yeah, it just
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: felt like a bit of a marketing exercise. As for Steph,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: I think that she has been a lot more mindful
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: about how she's sharing her about her postpartum body. I mean,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: with a fitness empire kick, her and her team would
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: have thought very strategically about this. And I think that's
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: why a lot of people do have a problem with
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: it because we know that she's trying to promote something
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: to us under the guise of body positivity. I mean,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: kick the fitness app has actually got a little bit
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: of a problematic background because originally it was called keep
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: it cleaner. They have always tried to be body positive
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: and say, it's not about diet. It's not about before
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: and afters, but then Steph and her co-founder, Laura Henshaw,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: are the faces of the program and are both models
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: who are very skinny. Yeah, but I think they're trying
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: to do better. And I actually have quite liked the
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: way that Steph has shared about her postpartum body. I
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: know I've had a bit of a joke that Steph
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Clare-Smith has pooped at it through her whole pregnancy. She
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: has had her bump out for the whole nine months, basically.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: I don't think I've seen her in one outfit that
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: doesn't reveal her bump. And it's quite interesting because she's
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: continued that. So even days after birth, she's been wearing
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: a lot of midriff tops. She's been showing off what
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: her stomach actually realistically looks like after giving birth. There
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: was this one Instagram story where she was standing in
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: front of an open fire holding her baby, Billy, and
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: she had her top rolled up to show her stomach.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: And then she purposely moved from side to side so
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: you could see every angle. It felt like a body
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: check that she was trying to pass off as being incidental.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: That's the thing though. I feel like body checks are
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: almost allowed if the person's body is deemed as being relatable,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: which is, very complex and quite wrong in itself as well.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: I've been really grappling with myself as to why I
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: have found her body checks uncomfortable because she's doing all
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: the right things. I normally enjoy seeing people on TikTok
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: show what their real life postpartum body looks like at
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: every angle, not just what you look like with leggings
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: up to your midriff and you're only showing part of
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: your stomach. She has shown it all. I think what
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: I'm having difficulty with is the fact that I feel
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: like something is coming. It's being used as promotion. It
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: might be being used as promotion for a positive postpartum
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: fitness program, but it's still being used as promotion to
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: earn money. Maybe that's why I'm feeling uncomfortable. She's actually
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: received a lot of praise for the way that she's
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: been doing it because she shared on TikTok a video
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: which she entitled two days postpartum. And in it, she
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: was wearing disposable maternity underwear and she showed Again, a
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: number of different angles of her stomach as she pulled
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: on compression tights. And she captioned the post, the female
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: body is insane. And the overwhelming feedback was that people
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: were impressed that she was showing herself basically essentially in
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: a maternity nappy. One user wrote, maternity nappies were a
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: godsend for moms too. You're amazing. Another said, love you
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: normalizing the reality of it. whilst another said, good on
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: you for making it real. And she's been very open
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: about how her pelvic floor has struggled after giving birth
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: and she's going to be wearing these nappies and pads
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: for the foreseeable future. So I think people have loved
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: that she has opened up about this because normally women
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: don't talk about it. I just had a light bulb
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: moment when you were talking, Sophie. I think why I
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: feel uncomfortable about it is even though she's wearing a
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: nappy and she's showing off her stomach that is kind
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: of deflated a little bit. It's because she still looks
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: fucking good. She's looked good throughout this whole pregnancy. She
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: looks good with a bump. She looks good with abs.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: She looks good at any time. Yeah, but I mean,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: I have to defend her. I feel happier seeing these
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: types of posts than the one where Tammy's flexing in
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: a mirror and sucking in and contorting to all these
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: different angles. I think it's relatable to see the deflated
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: stomach and see that you know, your uterus takes quite
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: a number of days, months, whatever. It takes probably six
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: to eight weeks for your uterus to contract. I think
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: the thing that I do find troubling though is that
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: these body checks, whether they're relatable or not, all they're
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: there to do is to spark comparison. And I don't
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: think comparison is always helpful in these situations. And the
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: body checks are this underlying part of the fitness world.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: You do a body check, you do a before and after.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: So while Laura and Steph have always said we don't
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: do before and after, this is essentially... what we have
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: been getting. Do you also feel like there's a bit
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: of a tone like, wow, that's brave to share that?
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: I just find it all very performative, even though she's
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: doing the right thing. The thing that makes me feel
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: uncomfortable though, is I feel like women are damned if
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: they do, damned if they don't. For Steph, she shares
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: a lot about her life. And I think if she
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: suddenly disappeared from her TikTok and her Instagram and only
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: appeared when she was back to how she was, we'd
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: also criticize her for it. Yeah, but I think people
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: would be like, oh, she's taking time off to be
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: with her baby. Like the fact that we've had this
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: influx of content. I wasn't really expecting it. Yeah, but
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: if we only saw her return with her stomach looking
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: flat and her abs back, we'd be like, gee, she's
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: been in hiding. She's only wanted to return when she's back.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: to how she was. True. I mean, I don't know
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: in this day and age if there is a right
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: way to do it or not. In Steph's Vogue article,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: she touched on bounce back culture and she admitted during
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: her first pregnancy that she did feel the pressure and
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: expectation to get back to her pre-baby body. She said
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: it infuriated her that after years of rebuilding her relationship
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: with food, exercise and body image, the postpartum period rocked
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: how she felt about herself. That was quite relatable because
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: we're always told that bounce back is a dirty word,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: which it is. But it's really hard, you know, being pregnant.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Of course, I would love to look exactly the same
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: after giving birth. In reality, that's not going to happen.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: But is it wrong for someone to think that? I
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: think that there's a lot of these conversations that happen
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: behind the scenes between friends where people are like, oh
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: my God, I really want to feel good again. And
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: I want to feel like myself again. But then there's
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: this sort of fakery where you're not allowed to, you know,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: it's like, oh no, no, no, I'll just be happy. Yeah.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: And I think maybe because I've heard Steph talk about
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  Speaker 1: this before, that that's why I'm leaning towards feeling like
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: this whole body checking thing has been a little bit
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  Speaker 1: performative or maybe it's PR exercise or maybe it has
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  Speaker 1: been for her own mental health to go okay I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to put this out there and share this with
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: everyone And maybe she needed the positive feedback from others. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's also the fact that she has worked
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  Speaker 1: out quite, I don't want to say excessively, but she
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: shared a lot of workout content during her pregnancy. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it's her job. Well, again, it's her job and she
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  Speaker 1: obviously loves it. And there's nothing wrong with working out
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  Speaker 1: during pregnancy. It's actually... so good for a lot of
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  Speaker 1: pregnant women to do so. It's also good if you
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  Speaker 1: don't want to work out. Exactly. I mean, fuck, I haven't. No,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't do any workouts. And I thought maybe I would.
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  Speaker 1: I did walk in the first trimester and somewhat into
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  Speaker 1: the second. I was doing some of the kick bump
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  Speaker 1: exercises and I was quite enjoying it. But then just
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  Speaker 1: as I got further in, I was like, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think I can do this anymore. I've tried to stay
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  Speaker 1: active on walks. I found that really good because I
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  Speaker 1: do also think it's really terrible if you just don't
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  Speaker 1: do anything. there's a lot of benefits for actually staying active.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, each to their own. People also experience pregnancy
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  Speaker 1: very differently. So you have some women who have HG
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  Speaker 1: and can't get out of bed and can't keep any
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  Speaker 1: food down. And then you have others that really aren't
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  Speaker 1: affected by it that much. I did like the way
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  Speaker 1: that Steph said in the Vogue article that she thinks
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  Speaker 1: it's unfair how women's bodies are really celebrated during pregnancy,
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  Speaker 1: but then how quickly they're scrutinized and compared once the
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: baby has arrived, which is why I think she's making
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: that effort to still have her stomach on display afterwards. Yeah. Well,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: she did do a lot of pregnancy photo shoots as well.
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  Speaker 1: So maybe she will be doing more postpartum photo shoots.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you wouldn't have liked this Kate though, because I
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: did notice in the Vogue article, she did plug that
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: if she's feeling better in six weeks, she would do
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  Speaker 1: her kick bump postnatal program. And of course, I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: she'd be taking us along for the ride. Now away
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: from the body checking, a lot of people were interested
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: to see whether Steph would show her newborn's face because
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: she did show her first son Harvey's face when he
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: was a newborn. She's only recently stopped showing him online.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: And she and Josh basically explained that they felt comfortable
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: to show Harvey's face because newborns and babies, they change
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: so much.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Until upwards of about three or four. Yeah. So people
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: weren't sure if she was going to show Billy's face
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  Speaker 1: or not. And I think she was a bit unsure
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  Speaker 1: as well.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it turns out that they have been trying to
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: hide her face. So there's been a lot of photos
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: of Billie from different angles, but none of her face
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: front on. Oh, there was a front on one, but
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: she put a whole bunch of text over it. So
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: you couldn't really see. There have been some questions as
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: to whether Billie looks like Harvey. And Steph said there
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: are some similarities, but she did want to say... That
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Billie is definitely a Smith. Yeah, she definitely has Smith genes. Yeah,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: she said that those Smith genes were strong. This is
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: going to be a gorgeous child. I did notice that
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Harvey had a little white squiggle over his face in
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: the Vogue spread. I thought that they might have covered
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: his face in a little bit more of a sophisticated way.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Or like pixelated it, or like he's on bloody witness
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: protection or something. Yeah, but maybe just not use that
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: photo or? It's a tough one because in the future,
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: I'm sure they don't want their whole photo albums full
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: of pictures of their son's face concealed in a weird way.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Those are special moments. Just don't give it to Vogue
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: to share. Well, that's where we're going to wrap things
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