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Inside The OIG Interview: The Testimony Of An Unnamed CO/Lieutenant (Part 5) (5/23/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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  where he left off with the OIG interview with the
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  unnamed COO. Question. All right, so I'm going to go
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  back to your entry notes. Answer yes question. In the
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  control center, an employee gets information from the person that
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  he or she relieves. While in the control center, one
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  has various responsibilities such as fire, security, check equipment and
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  key checks, and watching the cameras. The person that's designed
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  as Control two or designated excuse me as Control two
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  is responsible for preparing the paperwork for the count. On
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  August ninth, twenty nineteen, Redacted works in the capacity of
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  lieutenant from four PM to ten PM. During this time,
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  Redacted stop by the shoe. She recalled that regular activities
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  and operations were occurring. At the time of her first visit.
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  Redacted fed inmates and g titers and in ten South
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  the high security unit. Redacted recalled seeing Jeffrey Epstein earlier
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  on August ninth and around nine am at Attorney Conference area.
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  Epstein was there with three or four attorneys who were
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  in and out of the facility. Redacted recalled that there
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  are being two females and one male. At one point,
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  Epstein had to get an officer's attention to use the restroom.
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  Redacted was not in the shoe when Epstein came back
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  from the attorney conference. Usually Epstein would be tough to
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  go back to the shoe from attorney conference around seven
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  to twenty pm to eight pm. Redacted doesn't remember anyone
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  talking about a phone call that Epstein would have had
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  on August ninth. She also is not aware of how
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  either of Epstein's cell mates were selected. Redacted only heard
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  things in passing regarding Epstein's alleged suicide attempt in July.
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  Redacted does not know the particular procedures where guidelines regarding
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  an inmate who comes off suicide watch. She stayed did
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  that usually that inmates put with a cell mate, but
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  she does not know if this policy or just general practice.
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  According to redacted, as an SOS, she would not know
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  if Epstein was supposed to have a cell matate. A
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  decision such as an inmate needing a cell mate would
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  be made at shoe meetings and or department head meetings.
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  Redacted does not know if Epstein had a cell mate
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  the day she was acting lieutenant. Answer yes, question okay,
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  we might come back to certain of these things. Question
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  did you know if Epstein had a cellmate? Answer? I'm
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  not sure. Question were you aware of the July twenty
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  third incident when he first started to commit suicide? Answer?
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  No question? Okay? Did you respond to it at all? Answer? No? Question? Okay.
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  Do you know if Epstein was ever replaced on suicide
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  Watch or psych observation? Answer? I remember him being on
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  the second floor psychops and suicide is the same area,
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  So which one was he I don't know? Question okay, answer,
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  but I do remember hearing that Epstein is on suicide watch.
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  Question when he came off suicide Watch, well, psych observation
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  on July thirtieth, he was brought back to the shoe
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  at that point. Did you receive any instruction in regard
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  to Epstein needing a cell mate? Answer? Well, what day
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  was this? Question? July thirtieth? What day of the week?
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  Answer Well, to be honest with you, the answer to
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  that is no anyway, because I don't recall receiving any
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  specific instruction on Epstein about where to put him. I
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  dealt with them mostly in attorney conference because that was
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  my post. Question. Okay, answer, So I thought you were
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  talking about August ninth. Answer No, This situation i'm talking
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  about is July thirtieth. Answer I don't know. Yeah. Question
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  just to make sure, did you receive any instructions from
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  Captain redacted? Answer no question. Do you recall receiving an
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  email from psych instructing that Epstein needed a cell mate?
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  Answer no question. I'm going to mention some names, a
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  list of names. Let me know if you ever discussed
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  with these people any requirements. You already said you haven't,
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  so I'm just going to go individually. Just say yes
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  or no if you've discussed about Epstein's requirement for a
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  cellmate answer got it? Question, And the purpose of that
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  is just to try to spark your recollection when you're
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  thinking of that person, So say, like, God, did I
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  actually discuss Epstein with that person? Answer? Okay question. Captain
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  redacted answer no question. Lieutenant redacted answer no question. Lieutenant
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  redacted answer no question. Lieutenant redacted answer no question. Lieutenant
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  redacted answer no question. Lieutenant redacted answer no question. Lieutenant
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  redacted answer no question. Same thing. Next is going to
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  be a list of all the CEOs. Possibly you had
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  any interaction in regard to Epstein's requirements, if they are
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  passed on or said that Epstein needed a certain like cellmate,
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  if they ever talked to you about that? Answer uh
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  huh question Coeo redacted answer no Coeo redacted answer no question.
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  If I mispronounced their names, answer no, it's okay, just
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  say the last name I know. Last names question redacted
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  answer no question. Michael Thomas answer no question. Toven no
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  well answer no question. Redacted answer no question, redacted answer
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  no question. So you were never aware that Epstein had
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  a cellmate requirement? Right answer that is correct. Question you
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  were not aware of who his roommate cellmate was either?
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  Answer that is correct, never aware. Question did you ever
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  hear eventually did you end up hearing about the fact
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  that his cell mat was removed? Answer no, I don't
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  remember that. Question. If a regular inmate is mandated to
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  have a cell mate and the cellmate is removed for
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  whatever reason, who's responsible to have another cell mate assigned
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  to that inmate? Answer? The captain is over a special
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  housing unit. Question, so the captain's responsible. If there was
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  a requirement in terms of Epstein requiring a cell mate,
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  who should those instructions have come from Answer a psychology
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  for what reasons though, like just suicidal reasons specifically, or
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  question suicide. This decision was made because he was on
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  suicide watch, then he was in psych observation, and then
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  psychology makes a decision that hey, listen, this inmate cannot
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  be housed by himself. If that instruction had to come
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  down to the lieutenant and even the CEOs, how what
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  was the chain of command? How should those instructions come around? Answer? Okay,
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  so those things happen when they have regular department had meetings,
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  but then they also have emergency meetings. So in a
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  situation like that, they would have a last minute emergency meeting,
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  they'll come up with whatever plan. It's medical, it's all
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  department heads, it's unit team, it's medical, it's psychology, it's
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  the captain. Lieutenants don't sit in department head meetings, so
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  whatever determination they make, the captain will inform the lieutenants.
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  So like line staff, we don't really need to know
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  who needs a selly and who doesn't, because we don't.
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  It's not our responsibility to walk around and say, hey,
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  you need a sell mate. We just you know, we
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  count for inmates, do our rounds, do our shakedowns, and
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  go home in one piece. Question being the fact that
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  you did overtime in the shoe a requirement like that.
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  Do you think they should have informed you about that? Answer? Absolutely? Question? Okay, answer,
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  So I do remember them putting a sticky on the computer.
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  You know, everyone looks at the computer saying due rounds
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  on Epstein. That's just something that as officers we do
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  to say, hey, reminder, make sure you check on this inmate.
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  So like say if I'm working a housing unit and
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  an inmate oup news that his mother died and I'm
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  on the housing unit and this happened on my shift,
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  and I'll put a little sticky note and say, hey,
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  keep eyes on inmate Jones because he got a phone call,
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  he got an email that his mom passed away. You know,
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  keep an eye on him. I'll write a little sticky note.
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  It's like something that we do as line staff, so
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  like say when you're leaving me, and because you'll forget
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  sometimes to pass on pertinent information. So we did that
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  as something that we made up to do or remind ourselves, like, hey,
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  what's this sticky note for? Oh yeah, remember redacted telling
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  me about Jones mother died, just keep an eye on him.
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  Question So there was a note that said answer, there
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  was a note. When I say we, I mean line staff.
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  There was a note that somebody created as a reminder
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  for us to do it. You understand what I'm trying
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  to say, Like, not like an email printed out, It's
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  like a little sticky note something that we did. Question
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  which computer? Answer? There's two computers in the shoe. I'm
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  not sure which one it was. Question Okay, so one
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  of them had a little sticky note. Answer. One of
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  them had a little sticky note. Now that's what I heard.
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  Question You never seen it? Answer, I've never seen the note.
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  But I heard people who say we even had a
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  sticky note on there, you know, something along the lines
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  of that. But I can't see it happening because I
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  used to do little sticky notes as a reminder for myself. Question.
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  Let's just say that the instructions did come down from
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  psych and from the Captain redacted, and he instructed his
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  lieutenant and then the staff. You know, you were not
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  aware of it. According So would you know if they
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  knew either? Answer? If it was the line staff. Question
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  line staff answer? Yeah, Question Let's say the line staff
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  was aware of that requirement and to sell Mate was
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  efren Reyis and E fyren Reyus was removed from the
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  shoe between seven and eight am and between one and
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  two I think the MCC was notified he's not coming back.
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  Can you look at the shoe roster and let me
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  know whose responsibility it would have been from the bottom
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  up to notify? Answer on the ninth or the tenth
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  question ninth answer, well, not necessarily the shoe roster. Whose
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  responsibility would it have been in the institution, like who
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  would have notified first? Who would have made the notification? Answer?
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  All right, So if epstein Selly left at one or two,
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  that's overlap right with lieutenant so gets cut off by
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  the guard. He left. Supposedly he was removed from MCC
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  opposedly around one thirty ish, let's say from the books,
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  yeah question so yeah, so he leaves and then they
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  think he's going to court, but he gets released around
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  one thirty. Question who would have found out first and
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  how should it have gone? Answer? R and D staff
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  inmates the part and come in the same way. So
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  receiving and discharging and control are the first ones to
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  know answer, and does it show on this as you
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  he gets cut off by the guard. No, he picks
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  determine this is who is working these positions? Answer no,
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  so it's a non custody post. So receiving and discharging
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  is not here. So R and D supervisor should have
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  notified operations and said, hey, Epstein, celly left. Question who
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  would have been in operations at that point? Answer would
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  have been redacted redacted? Still on he leaves up for
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  so if you're asking me for timeframes, right, yeah, operations, lieutenant.
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  Question if redacted was aware of the requirement from redacted,
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  what should he have done? Answer? He should have got
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  with psychology and made sure before everyone left for the day.
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  They should have made sure that Epstein had another cell mate.
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  Question how soon should a cell mate should have been
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  assigned if it was required? Answer, well, I mean, it's
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  just really depends because if the situation is a unique
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  situation and they have to you know, she gets cut
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  off by the guard. By the investigator, well, this specific situation,
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  let's think about it. So if everyone's told that Epstein
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  needs a cell mate at all times, where dacted is
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  informed the cellmate left, what should have happened? Answer? He
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  should have got to sell you before every department had left. Question. Okay,
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  so that should have been notified. Should have he gone
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  straight to psychology or should he have told the captain first? Answer, well,
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  somebody has to so like if the lieutenant is on right,
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  the lieutenant is here, they have their office. Everyone has
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  their own office. So if an inmate is he leaves
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  out R and D and the marshals or whoever calls
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  R and D and says, hey, this inmate got released
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  from court, we take them off the count. R and
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  D should be notifying their supervisor, who in turn would
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  be notifying Psychology and the captain. And then that's when
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  it comes down. You understand what I'm trying to say.
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  So me being a line staff, my immediate supervisor is
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  always operations. Like I don't call R and D and
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  say hey, I got an inmate. That's saying he got court.
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  What's going on. My line of defense is operations. So
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  everyone has a supervisor, so they should have been going
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  to their supervisor R and D because you still have
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  lind staff in R and D. They have a supervisor,
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  and that's when the supervisor needs to reach out to
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  whoever they need to reach out to and well, the
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  supervisor notified psychology and the captain question, and they would
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  have been would they have been responsible to making sure
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  that Epstein was assigned to cellmate? Answer? Absolutely, all right,
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  So we're going to wrap up right here, and in
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  the next episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick
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  up where we left off. All the information that goes
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