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#178 Picky Eaters, Breastfeeding Nightmares and A Divvy Van with Wholesome by Sarah · Two Doting Dads with Matty J & Ash

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  Speaker 1: Ash Matthew, What is the one thing that you look
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  Speaker 1: after in your household?
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  Speaker 2: Would you say it was dinner? At one point? It's
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  Speaker 2: a lie, It's not anymore, is it really? April's taken over?
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  Speaker 1: What happened?
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  Speaker 2: I just got lazy?
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  Speaker 1: What did you put? Garlic and everything? Kids are like, fuck,
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  Speaker 1: this is garlicy? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: What's that?
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  Speaker 2: What's this garlic again?
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  Speaker 1: Well, after today's guest, things are about to change. You'll
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  Speaker 1: be putting that chef hat right back on because we've
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  Speaker 1: got wholesome Sarah.
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  Speaker 2: Is that right?
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  Speaker 1: She's the queen of keeping family meals real. But don't
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  Speaker 1: be fooled by the name. She wasn't always so wholesome,
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  Speaker 1: Is that right?
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  Speaker 3: Let's just say she had a run in with the cops,
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  Speaker 3: a divvy van and a piece of lingerie that wasn't
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  Speaker 3: exactly paid for wholesome with a criminal record my kind
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  Speaker 3: of guess.
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  Speaker 1: No, she is very wholesome. We talk about the pressure
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  Speaker 1: of breastfeeding, the myth of the hands on dad, and
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  Speaker 1: why quality in parenting is way overdue. So let's get
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  Speaker 1: into it.
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  Speaker 2: Let's do it.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to two doting dads and one doting mum.
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  Speaker 1: I'm mad a jay. I'm Ash and I'm Sarah, and
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  Speaker 1: this is a podcast all about parenting. It is the good,
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  Speaker 1: it is the bad, and the relatable. Now, so we
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  Speaker 1: have of late been accidentally putting out some advice. If
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  Speaker 1: you hear Ash and myself give advice, we would love
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  Speaker 1: it if you would pull us up on.
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  Speaker 2: It and tell us a shout out.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, you are absolutely fine to give advice.
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  Speaker 2: Loophole you need.
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  Speaker 1: To apologize type of advice. But yeah, how cold my
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  Speaker 1: house is? Oh?
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  Speaker 4: I love the cold.
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  Speaker 1: Great.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're sitting long sleeve your short.
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  Speaker 4: I'm quite warm.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I've just put got a bit excited. I
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  Speaker 1: put the heat under the house and then I could
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  Speaker 1: I've done that. It's now a bit of a cold snap.
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  Speaker 1: But I forget you're from the Arctic.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, totally when used to it and love the cold.
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  Speaker 5: Winter is my season?
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  Speaker 2: Cool it down in here.
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  Speaker 1: We start off. I guess a very important question, and
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  Speaker 1: that question is do you recall the most trouble you
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  Speaker 1: ever got in.
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  Speaker 2: As a child?
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  Speaker 5: I do know you asked this question because I listened
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  Speaker 5: to the podcast, so I did have a bit of
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  Speaker 5: a pre pre prepared answer, and I thought, am I
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  Speaker 5: going to say this, I think I'm a psycho.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 5: I used to as a teenager shoplift and a lot,
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  Speaker 5: and I think I had like a problem, clearly, and
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  Speaker 5: it went over several years, and even some of my
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  Speaker 5: best mates that I used to they be there with
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  Speaker 5: me and they'd turn white cold and be like, oh no, Pounder, don't,
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  Speaker 5: don't again, and I'd do it. And then I got
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  Speaker 5: caught towards Thank goodness, A girlfriend and I had gone
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  Speaker 5: into Target and we put all a whole lot of
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  Speaker 5: bras and undies under it. So you go into the
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  Speaker 5: change rooms, you put them all under and I'm probably
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  Speaker 5: just giving young people, you know, and you put them
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  Speaker 5: all under your clothes in the change rooms and then
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  Speaker 5: you just walk out. Anyway, we walked out and this
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  Speaker 5: woman from Target walked out and I remember my friend
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  Speaker 5: at the time looking back with.
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  Speaker 4: This smirk like, yes, we did it.
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  Speaker 5: We got through and she sort of tap tap tapped
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  Speaker 5: me on the shoulder and said can you please come
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  Speaker 5: upstairs to the Target office and I just was like
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  Speaker 5: because my parents were quite strict, so I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 5: I am dead. So went down, had to the police
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  Speaker 5: came to the shopping center. This is will sixteen year
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  Speaker 5: old girls like anyway handcuffed does. We had to walk
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  Speaker 5: through the center, put in the back of a Divvy
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  Speaker 5: van and go to Maulvene police station and my dad
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  Speaker 5: came and collected me and he was in a from work.
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  Speaker 5: And the way I remember it like it was yesterday,
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  Speaker 5: the way he looked at me was just like I am.
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  Speaker 6: So shack and he didn't talk and he just said.
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  Speaker 5: We got in the car and he went, you wait
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  Speaker 5: till you get home and your mother's.
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  Speaker 2: Going to tell me.
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  Speaker 4: And I was just like, and I was.
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  Speaker 5: Grounded for a term, no phone, no friends, nothing. And
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  Speaker 5: when I was grunted, you weren't allowed to do it.
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  Speaker 5: Wasn't like, oh you're grounded, but you know, stop the street,
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  Speaker 5: nothing for a term. And then I never stole again.
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  Speaker 2: So wow, can I ask? I think the handcuffing thing
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  Speaker 2: is like part of the humiliation. Yeah, yeah, I really cough.
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  Speaker 2: I've be doing that like walking toddles out totally.
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  Speaker 5: I think it sends the message home.
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  Speaker 3: And you were six At sixteen, I had a girlfriend
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  Speaker 3: that used to steal stuff too, and I was kind
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  Speaker 3: of into it.
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  Speaker 1: Were you stealing for a particular reason?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: I think it was.
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  Speaker 5: I think it was that's real, and I think it
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  Speaker 5: was just I was I'm one of five kids, but
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  Speaker 5: I definitely just had the other four. I'm not like
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  Speaker 5: they're boring as no they're not, but they just they're
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  Speaker 5: always like, God, you were just naughty.
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  Speaker 4: You just liked it, you know.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't get scared of although that kind of that
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  Speaker 5: situation did scare me a little bit, just with the
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  Speaker 5: cops and.
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  Speaker 1: Well, if you were seventeen, isn't that seventeen? N you're sixteen, seventeen,
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  Speaker 1: If you're seventeen, isn't that Well they.
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  Speaker 5: Said that I had a five year bond, which I
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  Speaker 5: actually found out later it was rubbish. Mum and Dad
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  Speaker 5: just said that to scam me as well, so that
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  Speaker 5: I didn't kill it. Yeah, if you if you steal
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  Speaker 5: again within five years, you can be well, I.
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  Speaker 2: Don't know, sentence twenty fives alive.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it was like you can be charged,
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  Speaker 5: and that freaked the hell out of me, so I
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  Speaker 5: just didn't do it again, which it worked.
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  Speaker 3: I think seventeen in some states, it's like New South
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  Speaker 3: Wales was seventeen, the Queensland's eighteen I.
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  Speaker 2: Don't want to talk about it anymore.
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  Speaker 1: This is coming from a place of experience.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, a penny cop memor Melbourne.
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  Speaker 4: We're riddled with it at the moment, and.
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  Speaker 2: We've recently picked up stealing again.
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  Speaker 1: Sir, you remind me a lot of my wife.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, okay's to go on.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of looks wise, but I mean, you've
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  Speaker 1: got you've got three kids, three girls.
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  Speaker 6: Three girls.
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  Speaker 1: We're on the cusp of having our third girl. Laura
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  Speaker 1: is actually about to walk into the house any second,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, she's getting her hair done and can't split.
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  Speaker 2: Them, can't. Well she's pregnant.
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  Speaker 4: Well that's one big different.
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  Speaker 1: But both running your own business, it is such a
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  Speaker 1: tricky decision to make or when is the right time
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  Speaker 1: to have kids when you have your own business, because
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  Speaker 1: you don't have the luxury of just switching off from work.
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  Speaker 1: Do you remember how you decided it was the right
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  Speaker 1: time to have kids.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like I was scared for quite a
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  Speaker 5: few years. Like I didn't put off because I also
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  Speaker 5: felt within I'd been with my husband forever. We were
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  Speaker 5: seventeen when we got together, and we didn't have our
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  Speaker 5: first till I just turned thirty, so it'd been a
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  Speaker 5: long time and I just felt ready. But it was
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  Speaker 5: so scary thinking about work at the time out of
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  Speaker 5: catering company in Melbourne, and it was just sort of like,
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  Speaker 5: I'm the only one cooking in here. There were no processes,
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  Speaker 5: there were not nothing. So I sort of thought, you
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  Speaker 5: take me out and there's kind of to cook.
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  Speaker 4: He's not too bad. He's actually not too bad.
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  Speaker 5: But again, like you know, your husband's not going to
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  Speaker 5: step into chef role at.
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  Speaker 3: A He's like, he's like the basics at home.
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  Speaker 7: He's pretty good people.
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  Speaker 5: Although he did anyway, that's another story, very supportive and real.
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  Speaker 5: Was really good in the end with all the big functions,
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  Speaker 5: but yeah, it was it was pretty petrifying. But what
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  Speaker 5: I and it was such a long time ago now
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  Speaker 5: eight years, but I do remember once I did take
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  Speaker 5: the plunge and just do it, and I was like,
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  Speaker 5: just start trying for a baby and see what happens.
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  Speaker 6: Got pregnant quite quickly, which was really.
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  Speaker 5: Lucky, and then it was a bit like, well, you
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  Speaker 5: don't really have a choice. So then ended up hiring
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  Speaker 5: my first sort of chef and different people within the business,
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  Speaker 5: and it turned out to be the best thing ever
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  Speaker 5: because it actually forced me out to work on the
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  Speaker 5: business and kind of put processes in place to run
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  Speaker 5: it without just me there all the time.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, to be really hard to, like, especially a growing business,
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  Speaker 3: to set the processes when you're in the trenches cooking.
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  Speaker 2: And yes, you can't because you're all concentrating on that.
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  Speaker 3: It'd be hard for you to switch off from that
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  Speaker 3: to finishing a big catering job and then to go
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  Speaker 3: home and then start to think about how are you.
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  Speaker 5: Going to Definitely, so you just never had the time
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  Speaker 5: in saying that.
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  Speaker 6: I never switched off.
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  Speaker 5: So once when I had all three girls, Lil and
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  Speaker 5: Penno my first two, I was I still had the
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  Speaker 5: catering company. I was still working straight away and how
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  Speaker 5: long like had the laptop.
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  Speaker 4: In the hospital?
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  Speaker 3: Wow, Yeah, I was wondering where you were going with them?
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  Speaker 2: And then I'm like, I've.
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  Speaker 5: Realized now, and I think that's a number of factors.
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  Speaker 5: I think it is when you build something up yourself,
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  Speaker 5: you're a bit scared not to let go, but you
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  Speaker 5: just sort of you want to keep that control, I
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  Speaker 5: guess in a sense and know what's going on, and
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  Speaker 5: I want to.
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  Speaker 4: Fully take yourself out.
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  Speaker 5: But also I do think it's now that I'm a
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  Speaker 5: bit older, I had a little It was funny because
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  Speaker 5: my third I didn't have the catering company anymore.
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  Speaker 4: It was destroyed during COVID.
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  Speaker 5: But it was actually the one that I took the
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  Speaker 5: most time off with, which you think would be the
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  Speaker 5: other way around, but I think, yeah, Like I sort
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  Speaker 5: of had two weeks of nothing at the start, and I.
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  Speaker 4: Was like, Wow, this is bliss like to.
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  Speaker 6: Not have to think about you know, it.
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  Speaker 5: Was yeah, care the word holiday.
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  Speaker 2: I did not say that holiday.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean you could focus on the one thing.
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  Speaker 5: Flitting your mind over like, and you know, there's there's
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  Speaker 5: the anxiety of if you you know, you never know
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  Speaker 5: what your night it's going to look like with a
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  Speaker 5: newborn or even a young child.
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  Speaker 4: So it sort of took out that for.
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  Speaker 5: A small period of time because I was back working
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  Speaker 5: within two weeks. But it did take out that, you know,
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  Speaker 5: when you go to bed at night being like, oh
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  Speaker 5: my god, I've got to do that big thing tomorrow,
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  Speaker 5: but I don't know how much sleep I'm gonna get,
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  Speaker 5: and that's then going to you know, it's all gonna
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  Speaker 5: trickle onto your performance and how it's so yeah, more.
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  Speaker 1: Anxious you are as well, the harder it.
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  Speaker 4: Is exactly like, it's just still real.
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  Speaker 2: I've got I've got six hours. Funny, if I keep
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  Speaker 2: looking at the club.
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  Speaker 6: It's just going to go down to love zero.
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  Speaker 5: So yeah, I feel like I got used to it,
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  Speaker 5: and then I often now because we're done with babies,
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  Speaker 5: and I'm like, do I regret not putting more in
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  Speaker 5: place to kind of just give?
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  Speaker 4: And do you know what?
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  Speaker 5: I don't even have an answer to that yet because
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, I know me and I'm just that personality
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  Speaker 5: where I've loved working, I've loved having my own career.
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  Speaker 5: I've loved there's pros and cons definitely, but it's I.
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  Speaker 6: Don't know, I don't.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe asked me in ten years and I might be like,
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  Speaker 5: oh I wish I had a little bit more. But
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  Speaker 5: I also don't love the newborn stage. Okay, I just
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  Speaker 5: was never. I've got girlfriends that are.
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  Speaker 4: Like, I love that stage, like it's just you know,
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  Speaker 4: all wrapped up, and I'm just like I was never.
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  Speaker 4: I was like kind of and everyone's like, don't wish
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  Speaker 4: it away. I'm like, oh, I can't. I want to
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  Speaker 4: watch it away.
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  Speaker 2: I wish they'd move out.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I'm conscious of the fact that you
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  Speaker 1: should never like want to rush through any phase of
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  Speaker 1: parenting because it once it's fucking gone, it's gone forever.
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  Speaker 2: Shout out.
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  Speaker 1: But I do recall someone holding a newborn and being like,
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  Speaker 1: you could just just stare at them for hours, and
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  Speaker 1: I was like, what are.
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  Speaker 2: You looking at?
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  Speaker 1: What did you find the hardest thing about the newborn phase?
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  Speaker 5: Ah, definitely breastfeeding with all three hated it, felt the pressure,
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  Speaker 5: wasn't good at it, just hated it.
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  Speaker 4: It didn't come easy to me.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to be really stupid here. Okay when you
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  Speaker 1: say you went good at it, what do you.
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  Speaker 4: Mean by that, Well, my I got block ducks really easily.
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  Speaker 4: So it just it didn't.
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  Speaker 5: I always thought, and again this was, you know, nine
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  Speaker 5: years ago, before I had my first baby.
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  Speaker 4: I was like, oh, I will be so like, I'll
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  Speaker 4: just be fine with breastfeeding.
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  Speaker 5: I'm a chilled person. It will just come naturally to me.
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  Speaker 5: I know what I'm like, I don't get too anxious
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  Speaker 5: over things.
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  Speaker 6: It'll be fine. And it just was the total opposite.
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  Speaker 4: And it was also lack of information that you know.
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  Speaker 5: Now I've got three younger sisters, and so I'll sort
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  Speaker 5: of say to them, just do which I used to
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  Speaker 5: be like, oh, I don't need to know a thing,
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  Speaker 5: I'll just roll into it. But I think with Lil,
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  Speaker 5: if I had have known more about breastfeeding, I got
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  Speaker 5: very sick. So had mas statist three or four times,
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  Speaker 5: which is quite common. But then the fourth it's pretty
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  Speaker 5: much it's an infection that either get it can get
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  Speaker 5: really bad, which for me it did, but it can
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  Speaker 5: either just be a local sort of infection that you
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  Speaker 5: get a really sore boob and it's inflamed and whatever.
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  Speaker 5: You have antibiotics and it calms down, or you can
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  Speaker 5: get full fever and whatever. But in my case it
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  Speaker 5: went a bit beyond that and it turned into an abscess.
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  Speaker 4: So which is just like a big infection.
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  Speaker 5: And so yeah, which I just didn't know any of this,
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  Speaker 5: and I feel like if I had known anyway, went
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  Speaker 5: to the GP because I had this very red boob,
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  Speaker 5: like was I didn't feel well. I was in bed,
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  Speaker 5: and so they like she was five weeks old, wow,
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  Speaker 5: so really little. And then went to the GP and
• 13:08
  Speaker 5: they're like, oh, that's not great. But then they told
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  Speaker 5: me that, which was just odd. They told me to
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  Speaker 5: go to a physio to get ultrasound to break down anyway.
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  Speaker 4: So when I did that, and at this point dentist totally,
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  Speaker 4: it was just really when I looked back on I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: that was so screwed up. How they told me to
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  Speaker 4: do that. It was bright red, inflamed big.
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  Speaker 5: And they've said, you know, and even the woman who
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  Speaker 5: ultrasounded it was like, it looks quite infected, so go
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  Speaker 5: home and rest. Anyway, that night, went to emergency, so
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  Speaker 5: they drained it and just locally, you know, stuck some
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  Speaker 5: needles in and then took out this a whole lot
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  Speaker 5: of infected pass and then they said.
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  Speaker 4: You should feel relief. They were great, you should feel relief, go.
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  Speaker 5: Home tonight and rest. Anyway, that night it got worse
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  Speaker 5: and was like a golf ball, went back into emergency
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  Speaker 5: and then had to have breast surgery the next morning.
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  Speaker 2: Holy yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And so all of this was just a bit of
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  Speaker 4: like a okay, all.
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  Speaker 6: Right, I'll just go with it.
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  Speaker 5: And you know, lil was five weeks old, and when
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  Speaker 5: they're that little, they're still feeding every two to three hours.
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  Speaker 6: So dependent.
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  Speaker 4: So then yeah, had had the surgery. It was so funny.
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  Speaker 5: I remember because tom my husband stayed home with Lil
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  Speaker 5: that night, and I think that's probably I can't remember
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  Speaker 5: if we'd introduced formula for feed already. But anyway, I
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  Speaker 5: went to the emergency with my sister and we're sat
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  Speaker 5: which is fine, but we had to stay in the
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  Speaker 5: emergency section the whole night, and we just had this
• 14:28
  Speaker 5: nonna who was next to us in a shared bed
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  Speaker 5: that was farting all night, and so Larsa and I
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  Speaker 5: was sharing this tiny my sister and I was sharing
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  Speaker 5: this tiny single bed, and I.
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  Speaker 6: Was just like fuck, like I have to have this
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  Speaker 6: breast surgery in the morning.
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  Speaker 4: But we were laughing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Woman, that was just like coughing and splattering and fine.
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  Speaker 5: So that was actually kind of nice because it kind of,
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  Speaker 5: you know, made it a bit humorous.
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  Speaker 2: Could be a really dumb question.
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  Speaker 5: Ah, yeah, no dumb questions.
• 14:56
  Speaker 3: Although they're you're infected on this side, can you still
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: feed on this Yes?
• 15:02
  Speaker 4: Totally great question.
• 15:04
  Speaker 5: And do you know what's even go one step further?
• 15:06
  Speaker 5: Which I hate, still hate the arrogant surgeon that did
• 15:09
  Speaker 5: my breast. I have an issue with surgeons anywayholes. They
• 15:13
  Speaker 5: are assholes generally generally.
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: Attack the medical professor.
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: Generally.
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: Are they rural? Are they rural surgeons because we hate
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: them the most.
• 15:23
  Speaker 5: No, this was in a city, but he no. I
• 15:26
  Speaker 5: just sometimes I'm like, oh, you just don't. You haven't
• 15:28
  Speaker 5: put yourself in the woman's shoes of five week old baby,
• 15:32
  Speaker 5: first time mum, the stress that this would have. So
• 15:35
  Speaker 5: I had the surgery, which was quite full on. I
• 15:37
  Speaker 5: had this packing that went really deep because the infection
• 15:39
  Speaker 5: was like deep behind my nipple. So he came in
• 15:43
  Speaker 5: to do like his check, you know, a day or two,
• 15:45
  Speaker 5: like I can't remember, and he was like, yeah, so
• 15:47
  Speaker 5: it all went well, you know, you should be fine
• 15:49
  Speaker 5: better and you should be able to keep feeding out
• 15:51
  Speaker 5: of that boob. And I was like, oh, okay, yep.
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: So here's me, this hormonal like new mom that's just
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: wanting to do the best for a child.
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: So I keep trying to feed.
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: I had milk coming out the wound at the top
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: of my breast, and yes, I.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: Was not prepared for this conversation. I just ate.
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: Like, like, you'll be five, keep feeding breast, I know.
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: So I persisted until it nearly broke me, and then
• 16:25
  Speaker 5: my husband my mom, my mother in.
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: Law, and my maternal nurse, which God lover were all
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: like stop an intervention, Yeah, you need to stop.
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: And I'm like, like this nutcase of But you know,
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: I think a lot of women out there will will
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: understand the pressure that you feel to breastfeed.
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: It's it's really messed up.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: Like what do you when you're not able to do
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: something that you think would have been so natural? What
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: does that do to your mindset? What kind of place
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: you win?
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: I just think again, it was so long ago now,
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: but at the time, I just felt really like it
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: wasn't like because I'm not usually a person that's like
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: I feil it as a mother, but like it's sort
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: of it really did sort of play with your mindset
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: of well, this isn't how it's meant to be, Like
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: why can't I do a simple thing like feeding my
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: own baby?
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: Like I just don't understand.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: Was it like a sense of failure? Yeah?
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: And then also you know to try and persist.
• 17:24
  Speaker 6: And this happened with both because I had mass statists.
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: With my second it didn't go to an abscess, Saint God,
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: but then with my with my thirty year ago, I
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: didn't have any masst artists. But I hated breastfeeding anyway,
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: so I made the just my own.
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: Choice to stop breastfeeding.
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: But even in that, so you know, having children over
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: eight years, I'm thirty seven or whatever. And even when,
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: like I said to my husband, I can't do this anymore,
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: work so stressful, like the breastfeeding, I don't enjoy it
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: takes so long.
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: And he was like, well, you know what, why why
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: don't you change over to formula?
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: And I was like, oh, I just I can't like
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: And anyway, we made the decision why I made the
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: decision to do it, so he was helping me wean
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: off it. Even when my body could still make the milk.
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: Even though I'd made the decision, I'd be like, maybe
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: I should just go back to feeding, Maybe I should
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: start pumping again to get my supply up. And he
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: was like, says, you know that our babies are fine,
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: our previous to have been fine. I know, but I
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: just it's and then as soon as your body can't
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: make it fine, like love formula.
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: It's the best. It's really screwed up. How it just
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: plays with your mind?
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: And do you think like there was do you think
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: there's external pressure for mums to have to breastfeed?
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: Do you think?
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: I think so?
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: But it's so funny you say that, because I've never
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: been one to give a shit about what other people
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: think necessary in some senses.
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: But with that, I was always I didn't think I cared.
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: But maybe, you know, just from societal norms and cultural
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: norms for so long, it's just subconscious. Maybe I do
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: think that, you know, because I'd find myself justifying it
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: to people.
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: If they're like, oh, you know, are you feeding? Are
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: you breastfeeding? I'd be like, oh, no, formula fee but
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: I had an abscess.
• 18:57
  Speaker 7: It's like, here's smoking because I can imagine like, yeah,
• 19:05
  Speaker 7: like there's so much pressure on mums already.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: And then we have a segment in our show where
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: we're like what not to say to mums yeah or parents?
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Sorry to be correct.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: That, and one that does pop up is like, oh,
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: so you didn't breastfeed.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: It's like it's like it's the like you've done the
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: wrong thing. When it's always going to be different.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: There's always going to be different circumstances is always going
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: to be different.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, different things that can.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Happen along the way, or Laura's milk just shut off. Yes, yeah,
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: after a few months, just like she just ran dry. Yeah,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: And I mean it was It's disappointing for me, you know,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: as a as a as a dad in that scenario,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: it just be like to do more work.
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: I was about to say, yeah.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: When you start doing the bottle feeding, I.
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: Enjoy it totally. Yeah.
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: No, I've got mates, like guy mates that are like
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: just loved when the breastfeeding was there, because I mean
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: I didn't have to get up in the night and
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: do anything.
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: I'm like, yes, yes, exactly, fucking.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Right, just try the other more time.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would like get up.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: I would I think with Oscar at my firstborn, I
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: would I think the lack of education for me around
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: the whole.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: I just thought.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: I just thought I didn't want able to be up alone.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Like the advice I was given was just don't talk,
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And then it got to
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: a point where.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: We're just both tired. And then it was like we
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: had the conversation. But then with my second because you
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: obviously pick up things and what not to do.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: For the first six months, like.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: I said, I slept in the laund room so that
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: I could just be right there and then there was
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: not me in the way, really because yeah, a lot
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: of time smoothed out.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: I still haven't gone back.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: He was in the state.
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: So that you have peace in the home at night.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: How was Tom during all of this?
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: He was great. He's like a it's so funny.
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: I have to be careful with my words here because
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: I was about to say hands on dad, But I'm
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: a person that advocates not to say that's so that
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: it becomes normal to be a fifty to fifty parent.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Sure, he's awesome.
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: He really enjoys.
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: I mean, no one enjoys being sleep deprived or but
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: even like the hospital instance, I was in hospital for
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: six nights, so he had Lily at home every night,
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: and that was sort of like a real introduction because
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: he was doing all night feeds. I was at the
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: time pumping in hospital, and then he'd bring her in
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: in the morning until we.
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: Decided until I decided to stop breastfeeding. But he's very good.
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: He's always been on feeds, like all even when I
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: was breastfeeding early days. For all three we do a
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: formula feed because we love formula, and he'd always want
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: to do it. He'd always do like the late night
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: let me go to bed for seven hours, and I'd
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: do the.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: One in the middle.
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: Like he's just always been pretty on board, wants to
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: be involved, likes it doesn't complain, like, yeah.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Did he have any green flags before you had kids
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: where you thought, Okay, this is a sign this guy
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: is going to be a His.
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: Dad's pretty good, so that I feel like he's yeah, yeah,
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: so I feel like that's a pretty good sign. Like
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: his dad's French. But he's also very like not that
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: it matters about that makes it a good dad, No,
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: but he was always pretty hands on, like even when
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: you know, we've been going out for so long. So
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: I saw it for many years and heard stories of
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: how he used to change nappies and do all that.
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: So I was like, wow, that's pretty and I love
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: my dad to death, but did not change one of
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: our fat nappies. Ever, my dad's a better parent to
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: my kids than he was to me. Yeah, yes, totally yeah, same,
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: who is that?
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Yes? To deal with that?
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's I think it's just well, I feel like
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: grandparents have heard a lot. It's different being a grandparent
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: than a parent because you're like more relaxed you realize
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: the cycle of life, like you're more grateful because you're
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: not in this, you know, the nucakees like you can leave.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Why do you dislike the term hands on parent?
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: It's just oh yeah, so I get I always go
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: into this a little bit because I've got to chip
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: on my shoulder about it.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Let's find.
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: It's just I get told all the time I'm how
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: lucky I am because Tom's so hands on, And it
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: just shits me because I'm like, whatso, And there's a
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: million things that runs through my head. But firstly, and
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: not that everyone has to both work full time, but
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: in our case, and everyone's case is different, we both
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: work full time. So I don't see why it's so
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: odd to see that he parents like full time with me.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess he's not receiving the same commentary of like,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: you're so lucky that Sarah works totally.
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: And when do you ever hear the comment of like
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: about mum's being hands on? You're such a hands on
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: mums Sarah, Like it just doesn't exist because it's expected. Yeah,
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: So it's just it's just this idea that and then
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: it shits me as well because I'm like he's not
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: a good dad. He's actually just a good dad because
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: he's a good human. So it sort of stems back
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: to you know, it's a lot of the time, Yeah,
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: women that do more with their children that say to me, Oh,
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: you're just so lucky because Tom does so much, And
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: I'm like, well, we kind of fifty to fifty parents,
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: so it's not like he's doing more or I'm laying
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: on the couch just chilling out like it just yeah,
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: it shits me because it's his whole notion of like
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: it also just undermines men even more for wanting to
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: be more involved with their children.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, I.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: Think like when we were expecting our first child, I never.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Any of this stuff never occurred to me.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: So I just got up and did what I thought
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: I had to do, which was we both had this kid, right,
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: so this is our kids, your.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Kid here to help. You're not a hands on mum.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: You're right, that doesn't exist because you are just mum.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: So why can't dad just be dad?
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: And why does he have to get praised because he
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: does school drop off?
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: Because it's really hard, you know what if.
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: So I actually agree with that, but yeah, it's just
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: a funny And then I'm like often his extension of
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: being a good father, which is he is a wonderful father,
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: but that's just because he's a good human and so
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: he is a considerate person. He's loving, he's caring, he's nurturing.
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: He gives a shit about how his kids, not saying
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: people don't if they're not hands on, but he gives
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: a shit about how his three girls are going to
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: grow up in the world. So he wants to be
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: there and around them, and he gets and I'm not
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: just saying this, he often says this to me. He
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: gets pure joy just out of hanging out with them,
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: like getting outside doing fun shit. It's not a chore
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: for him. But I think that just comes back to
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: who he is as a person, as opposed to like
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: being trained to be a good dad or I've skept
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: it out like this this guy that's just going to
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: do everything that I don't want to do in parenting
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: or whatever. So it's yeah, I just I think that
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: we need to kind of also raise.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: The dog for the listeners. Laura's ruined the podcast episode
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Bye rudely coming back.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: From a haircut and pointing out the washing that you
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: didn't put it.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: She did say make let's put away three times.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: And also I just said, I don't know what you're
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: talking about because I don't want to get involved. Yeah,
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: because it was like, it's just you know you to me.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: So you were saying that you hate it when people
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: say you're lucky to.
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: Have a hands on dad.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: What would you prefer how would you prefer people to
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: refer to like that situation.
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: I don't know, it's it's probably not even a title
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: I want him to have. I think it's just more
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: people to have the view and the lens that having
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: a partnership is more like, is normal as opposed to,
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: you know, mum being primary caregiver and it always defaulting
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: back to the mum and the dad's the helper or
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: you know. I used to infuriate me when guys would say, oh, well,
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: I'm babysitting this Saturday night. I'd be like, oh my god,
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: are you're fucking kidding? They're your children.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: I always do that. Yeah. Yeah, but it's.
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: Sort of like, oh my god, we're in twenty twenty five.
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: How can people be thinking like that. Just because the
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: woman carried the baby, it does not mean that she should,
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: and it's do you know what it's it's very because
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: it's such a touchy subject for people. It's very dependent
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: on everyone's personall situation, and in our case, we both
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: do work full time.
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: So I get really not upset, but like agitated when
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: people are like, you're so lucky because you know.
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: Tom will turn up at school three mornings a week
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: as opposed to my two, and I'm like.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: Jesus, like, are we really there?
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: Do we want to break down every role that we
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: do in the home, like so how did.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: You guys get there? And dividing up who does what
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: when it comes to being a parentause it's such a
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: blurred line where you are both just juggling. Yeah, Like
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: did you have to sit down and say, hey, this
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: is You're gonna do a B and C, you know,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: and I'll do the rest?
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: Not really, I feel like we just fell into because
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: most of the time when I go to do school
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: drop off, I'm late, every time there's shit left. Ever,
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: I leave the lunch boxes at home, and I think
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: Tom's just like I like to do it and I'm
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: better at it, so I'll do it. And I'm like, okay, great,
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: But I think we we didn't ever sit down and
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: you know, divvy up.
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: I think we just naturally fell.
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: And we've been together such a long time. But I
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: weirdly am like to young people every now and then,
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: I'm like, you should which sounds so ridiculous, but you
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: should try and have.
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: A conversation with your partner before you have.
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: Kids about which it's so hard because once you have
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: a child, it changes everything and even what you said
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: before you had your first baby will be different to
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: when you have it. But have a conversation about, you know,
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: the woman's career or how you want that to change,
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: or what you might think the next year looks like.
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: And I don't know.
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: I just feel like people go into having their first
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: baby blind, which most of us do.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: When that's guilty.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: Yes, I did the same. I felt like I did
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: the same, and then after the baby came, it was like, oh,
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: give me a girl that yes, yeah.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: I just felt like by putting myself in the position
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: where it's like I'd never change it nappy in my life.
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: And it was like day one, I'm like, give me
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: a go yeah, and then it was like, oh, you know,
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: I can do this and whatever and I and like,
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: I don't Yeah, I'd never thought about it as like, yeah,
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: hands on it.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: I was just doing it because it was there.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Can tell us about Laura had.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: To kind of say, like, you're being a bit useless.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Shot to the ego.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, when you look back at because you're very
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: experienced now with three children, when you look back at
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: the early days of parenting, breastfeeding asign, is there anything
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: that you look back on and go, God, I was
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: doing things so stupidly. I wish I'd done things to.
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: Lots of things.
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: But I'm like, God, it was such a long time
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: ago that I'm like, it's a blur.
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it is.
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: Kind of a blur, like an eight years as well,
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: Like you sort of, I don't know. My best mate's
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: about to have her first baby, and I've been thinking
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: about it a lot lately because I'm like, what do
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: I tell her?
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: Like what advice do I give it? A luck, You're
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: gotta be fucked.
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: However, But it's just a bit like everyone's so different,
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: Like I'm sure i'd have ten but nothing. But it's
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: not like I'm saying I was a perfect parent, no
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: fucking way.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: But I'm like I can't think of one at the minute.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: But I'm like you just I feel like you, Yeah,
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: you sort of just adapt as you can.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Like you said, it's going to be so.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: Different, yes, for every kid's different and every situation is
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: going to be different.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: It's hard to like give it overarching advice.
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: Definitely, think you just like.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Just do I think, and we say it a lot
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: on this podcast. Just do the best you can.
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: Absolutely, and also just give yourself a break.
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: I think at times, like you know, it's it's such
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: a foot and that's what I've because having three daughters
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: myself now, I've said to myself, like I've ingrained this
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: in my brain of time.
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: Will pass and you'll forget so much of the early days.
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: Like you know, we're still kind of in it with Ellier,
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: our third now, who's fifteen months old. But you know,
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: you get older, you've done it two times before, you
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: kind of it's not as significant as the first time.
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: But I might just don't forget how hard it is
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: when you have that first baby to be particularly a
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: female with the hormones, with the like what the fuck
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: am I doing? I don't know what the hell's going on?
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: Like you know, who am I as a person anymore.
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: You totally lose your identity for however long until you
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: work out you know how to get it back or
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: what you.
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: Want to do.
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: But I might just don't forget, you know, because you
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: do get a lot of the older mum comments.
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: That are like, oh, sleep when the baby sleeps, and.
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: Like all that annoying shitty advice that you're just like,
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: fuck off.
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: When the baby sleeps.
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: I've got one hour to clean the house, do this,
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: do this, do this, yeah, run the business. I'm like,
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: I'm not sleeping, like and also I'm so highly strung
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: that I can't. So it's just sort of like just
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: be there and be supportive and and you know, anything
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: you need I can do, and just don't forget. And
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: I have to think about this often with my three
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: younger sisters as well when they're gonna get pregnant, and
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: also my best mate, but also my three daughters in
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: however many years time, that is, if they decide to
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: have children, of like, just be.
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: There and be a nice support don't give annoying advice.
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: Just like turn up, do some washing, you know, take
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: the baby out for a walk, whatever, and just remember
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: that the new mum, hormonal brain is pretty fucked.
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: Up on the edge of it.
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: I'm really telling it again.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: I know I'm thinking, my god, that wasn't in the
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: brace position before. I am.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: I want to talk about transitioning from having your own
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: catering company yep, to then being going to call you
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: a social media superstar. You've got a mill a.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Million followers on instagramie that.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: You're on to a winner on social media.
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: So I started the Instagram account during COVID when my
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: business had sort of been closed because in Victoria we
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: had long, long lockdowns and yes sort of started but
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: still had my catering company alongside it.
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: So I just sort of did it.
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: Add the love of food and cooking and I sort
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: of thought, I'm just going to start an account and
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: start filming recipes and put them out there. It was
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: when reels had just started, and it was actually my
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: husband where we sat down because I was just flat
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: as a tower.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: I was like, oh my god, I can't run my business.
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: I can't plan like and he was sort of like.
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: I was like, I want to buy a camera and
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: start filming these recipes, and he was like, well, these
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: reels seem to be going off, and we both had
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: a chat and I was like.
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: Yep, I'm going to do it. And then it wasn't
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: until about I still till I started.
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: Posting consistently, so daily that I always tell this story
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: that I was in a Woolies like I sort of
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: posted a recipe and then got my trolley, was walking
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: around Woolies and my phone just started to be like
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: ding ding ding ding, and I was sort of like, oh,
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: I don't really know what's going on here, and then
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: pulled it out. It was sort of the first one
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: of my videos that had gone viral.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Do you remember which one it was?
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: It was a chickpea avocado mix.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: I feel like I feel like there's something I could.
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: Do it super easy, you said.
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: Got elemon and easy things.
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: People forget that before Reel started, you couldn't really have
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: a post go viral because it was just the people
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: that followed you.
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: So I actually feel like it was harder.
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: For people to build a following before Reel started because
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: they had to find you or hear of you and
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: literally search you to.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Then you know, follow on that explore page back.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: Yes, it was only people with already big accounts that
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: were already known people was really hard.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: Yes, unless it cracking, unless it was spam.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, like reels pushing, pushing your stuff out
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: to the masses.
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: So that was kind of the first point.
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: And then from then it just I started growing really quickly,
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: and I was a bit like, oh, Okay, it wasn't
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: a huge surprise to me because I'm not going to
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: sit here and be like, my recipes are ship. But
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: I was surprised in the benefit that it gave people.
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: I was quite like, I got all these beautiful, lovely
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: messages of people like, oh my god, I'd lost my
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: zans in the kitchen, and then I started cooking your
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: food and I loved it. And you've got me back
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: in the kitchen, all the kids are eating the dinner
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: and all of this sort of stuff.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: I'm like the market where.
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: This is more just over like weeks, you know.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: And also like at that time COVID people had so much.
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: Time with definitely everyone was cooking the sourdough, you know,
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: making this sound.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: We always say, were like, there's so many good things
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: that came out of Yes, I miss it.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be honest, I miss it because I
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: wouldn't I wouldn't be doing what I do now.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: Yes, it's incredible.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: Yes, probably same as you totally because you would have
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: just been like, I want to build my catering business,
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: but you had.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: To shift your focus to the environment that we were
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: living in.
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: Totally.
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely, and I feel like that's exactly right. It
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: was a blessing in disguise because at the time it
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: felt terrible because it was sort of and I had
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: two lead spaces in the city in Melbourne that were
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: just like draining money and so I was super stressful.
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: I was also pregnant with Penny, my second daughter, So
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: at the time it felt terrible. But then you know,
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: you kind of see the silver lining and what's happened
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: from it, and it's saying, oh, you.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: Would have provided like you're saying, you have people coming
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: out to you saying I.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Found my spark at the kid.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you would have so many people that you have
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: like provided one entertainment and too like a new purpose
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: in that in that moment.
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and also just people.
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I just sort of I didn't take my cooking
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: for granted, but I didn't think that it would give
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: what it gives people.
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: And that's what's really nice.
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: Like I got stopped on a flight recently and this
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: beautiful air hostess was like, hello, Sarah, and anyway said hello,
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: And then as I was leaving the plane, she said, O,
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: my daughter during COVID was really sick with an eating
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: disorder and then we found you.
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, I'm almost about to get terry.
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: But she was like, and she's learned to eat really
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: well again, and she's got really healthy and she's now
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: one hundred percent. And I was just a bit like
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: oh wow, Like that's the thing. You know, I sort
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: of think, you know, only nurses and doctors and stuff
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: like that and had that life.
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: Changing kind of effect.
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: So it was just you know, things like that that
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: are just like oh wow, you know, I really just.
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: Took my cooking for granted.
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, give you, yeah totally. I just yeah left that plane.
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: I was like, I feel a million bucks.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: My tea, please.
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: Me take you O.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: It was on the way out.
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: She was just beautiful.
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: So yeah, it's yeah, lovely messages like that and feedback
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: that you can you're like, oh wow, this is so
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: worth it.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Coming from a guy who's only got about three recipes
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: and his repertoire. Where do you get your inspiration from
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: to keep coming up with new recipes?
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: I get uses all the time, actually, and I don't
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: have a really good answer. It's just I guess that
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: in a non arrogant way, is my skill, Like, it's.
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: Just what I love to do often.
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: I obviously love cookbooks, love cooking magazines, love cooking shows.
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: Online now is so amazing, you know that social media
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: and stuff like that for food creation. But I just
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: can always come up with different recipes. It's what I
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: really love to do.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: And it does help when you love doing it. Yeah,
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: it's hard to come up with things when you hate
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: doing it totally.
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: And when it comes like my father in law, Gille
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: the French Ship, He's always like says, yeah, I don't understand,
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: Like how can you just keep coming up with them?
• 37:35
  Speaker 6: I'm like, they just appear in my brain.
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: I don't know, Like I'll see it an ingredient and
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: that and that, and I'll have a sort of idea
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: and then.
• 37:43
  Speaker 6: Give it a go and sometimes it works.
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: Sometimes most of the time, without sounding like a dick,
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: it works because I've done this all my life. But
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: that is just and that's the thing I often say,
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: I'm like, whatever you guys do, and you know, because
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: people are like, wow, you're really good at I'm like,
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: but you're really good at what you do in your job.
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: It just so happens at Cooking is something that everyone
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: has to do every day that they think that I'm
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: really amazing that.
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: I'm like, it's actually just my skill.
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: It is a skill to know what two things or
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: what several things are going to be like when they're together.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: That's what rattles. I'm like, too, Okay, someone was like,
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: you put two things together, I don't know what's going
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: there putting I'm thinking of the combinations. It's like who
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: would have known? Who is terrible?
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: But it is a starving right now.
• 38:30
  Speaker 7: Not everything's a joke about me, I think if I like,
• 38:34
  Speaker 7: I think it's a big skill to be like, Okay,
• 38:37
  Speaker 7: well I.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Know what though it's like honey and peanut butter. I
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: know what that's going to taste like. But that's about it.
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: Yes, It's like thinking of the combinations that are going
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: to work together is tricky, and it's you know, this
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: is so fun.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: To make jokes and my expense, I would never how
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: do you apply that skill to their you're parenting, like
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: when you're trying to come up with hacks to make
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: eating easier with your own kids.
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, look, hacks are interesting because I've got a lot
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: of them, but I'm very careful to give you know,
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: like try this with you three year old that's only
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: eating you know, this and this and this, because it's
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: not always going to work.
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: Like that's what's so hard.
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: If there was an answer to pickie eaters, we would
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: know it by now and we.
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: Would be like, cool, got the answer.
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: My child eats broccoli and capsicam and all of this
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: stuff now. So it's my biggest one is I'm always
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: like it starts with you, as annoying as that sounds,
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: but like you are the model to your child. So
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: it's like you need to be eating well. You need
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: to be talking positively about food. And when I mean
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: positively about food, it's not connecting it to weight, not
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: talking about good and bad foods, that kind of thing,
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: because I feel like it's all ingrain from us from
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: a very young age, our attitudes towards you know, different foods,
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: and especially for females, that it can create such unhealthy
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: sort of you know, go down the path of eating
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: disorders and all of that sort of jazz. It all
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: starts from when they're a young child and the way.
• 40:04
  Speaker 6: We talk about it.
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: But then yeah, different things. So I'm beas, oh, yeah,
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: the Beije diet.
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: Beij Eaters just love everything white, and most parents would
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: be like, oh yeah, my child's been through that stage.
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: So like white bread, white rice, pasta, chippies.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Am is this my dying yes?
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: For those who like the beige foods, How can you
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: sneak in a couple of veggies?
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: Yes, I always say, and I love veggies, but I'm like,
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: it's another annoying answer. It's a long haul game, so
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: you're not going to get you quick fixed overnight. It's
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: about patience and persistence, and it's sort of there's little
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: things I do so they'll always tend to like one veggie.
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: Like you can pretty much say, oh, I know, Peno
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: likes Capsican, little likes broccoli. So it's like serving them
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: new veggies alongside what you know that they like, and
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: you know that they're going to eat, so it's not
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: forcing them to eat it. It's sort of like put
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: it out and annoyingly. Research shows that it can take
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: fifteen to twenty exposures of ave a particular vegetable before
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: they start eating it.
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: And that's so annoying to hear his parents.
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: Because you're just like, fuck, like, getting dinner on the
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: table is enough, Like, and then I've got to change
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: up the ways to cook it and keep giving it
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: even though she keeps throwing it on the floor and
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: going yack like. But it's just a long haul game.
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: So it is about serving it next to familiar foods,
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: changing it up the way that you cook it, you know, avion,
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: pan fry, microwave, whatever you want to do, but just
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: sticking with it and you know, keep going over many
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: many many years.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: Fun because Marley she loves cook carrot Lala has to
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: have it raw.
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And it's annoying when because all kids are different.
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: But that's like adults, right, So I'm always like, they're
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: not trying to be annoying to you. They're not trying
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: to be little assholes. It's just like sometimes but it's
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: like most adults have preferences with what they do, don't
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: and do like and I'm not saying if you do
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: those sorts of things, they're gonna love every vegetable when
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: they're older. It's just not the case because adults don't.
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: But it sort of is a way to kind of,
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: over years, build those healthy habits.
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: It should be the chef's final test to change.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: I reckon that's the fine. You can't be chef unless
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: you could do that.
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because I feel like you said you've.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Got to fry it, steam its or take where's the
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: microwave come in?
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: I do love a microwave. So many veggies have been
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: microwaved in our house.
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: Love it. There's nothing wrong with a microwave.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: I'll take you cook veggies totally.
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: But also it's like, have you ever had like collie
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: cauliflower for example? Now I'm getting really into the nitty gritty,
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: but just maybe not for a two year old or
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: three d because they're just gonna be like yuck. But
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: have you ever had couliflower roasted with just olive oil
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: and pepper in the oven?
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Delicious?
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: Delicious?
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: Do it for me and let me know, Yeah that's what.
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it is quite beige, but you change out the
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: way you cook it delicious.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: So it's just all those little things and another really
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: quick little tip I love to do, so when you
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: get them home from like school or daycare or kinder
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: or whatever it is, and you're like, fuck, they're starving,
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: they're grumpy. I always like to and you know what
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: they like. Don't put pressure on trying to expose them,
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: like it is about exposure over many years. But on
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: a round of Tuesday night, just give them what they like,
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: but chop up a whole lot of I always chop
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: up carrot, salary, cucumber, capsicum. Put it on a plate
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: while you're cooking dinner, and.
• 43:30
  Speaker 6: Don't put any pressure on it.
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: That's the other thing.
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  Speaker 5: Just you're not sitting there saying eat three of those.
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  Speaker 6: And usually when they're hungry.
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  Speaker 5: They'll just sort of pop it on the things while
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: they're dancing around or watching some TV or playing and
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: they'll sort of watch yeah, just little eye and usually
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: they'll have two or three pieces whatever, and you're like, great,
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: now I don't have to pressure them at dinner time
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  Speaker 5: to eat their vegies.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: I love the it's done. It's very good.
• 43:51
  Speaker 6: It's just like a non yeah. Takes the pressure off it.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: I love it when it's like that.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: They're like, I'm hungry, have a carrot Like I don't
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: like that, and I go you must've been that hungry.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: Then that gets them.
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: You just that just shut them up and can turn
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: them into a good little child.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: So one question we always end on when your girls
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: are all grown up and they're no longer living at home,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: what is the one thing you would want them to
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: remember about the house they grew up in?
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: Oh god, this one will often get me emotional too.
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  Speaker 2: I think.
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  Speaker 5: All lots of things, but fun. I just think fun
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  Speaker 5: is I mean, obviously loving and supportive and happy home.
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: I think, you know, the relationship you have with your
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: partner is so important to show children like as much
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: as you can, because we all have bad days, but
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: a healthy relationship. So that me with particularly having three females,
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: so that they know what to expect when they grow
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: up and they have high standards for their partner boy
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: or girl. But I think just joy and fun. I think,
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: you know, dances. Sometimes Tom and I get into the
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: you know, with having our own businesses and everything like that,
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: you can be like, oh god, okay, tonight routine, like
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: you know, Sunday night routine, get your clothes out to
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: all that, And lately, especially lately, I've just sort.
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: Of been like, oh, we just don't have to do
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: that every night.
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: We can, and we do dance a lot. Our girls
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: love music, so we'll have it on for an hour
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: every night, and we.
• 45:24
  Speaker 6: Just are stupid and dance.
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: So it's just I want them to remember that their household,
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: their childhood household, was full of joy and fun and laughter.
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: Laughter is so so important.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Can you feel guilty for being like?
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Find the balance?
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: Can you please put your shoes on pedo?
• 45:44
  Speaker 6: Can you please put your shoes on pedo?
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Every time? I'm holding something very special. It came in
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: the male recently. This is your second cookbook?
• 45:51
  Speaker 5: Yes, it is my second cookbook, Family Food.
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: Sorry, you're going to ask a question.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Wondering, wondering are there any recipes in that book that
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: maybe two novices myself and Ash giving in mind. We
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: do have a bit of a sweet tooth.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Yes, but we could cook.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: It's easy, it's simple.
• 46:10
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I've got a couple.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: Actually, what are you thinking?
• 46:12
  Speaker 6: BROWNI has come to mind.
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: But there's also one bowl blueberry and coconut like bread
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: loafing that you just throw it all into a bowl,
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: tip it into a tin, put it in the oven, and
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: there you go.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: That sounds about It.
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: Makes you sound really easy.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: Let's try and do that. We'll put it on our
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: social So people do want to get that recipe.
• 46:36
  Speaker 6: They'll get in the kitchen and cook.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: But if they do want to get their hands on
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: family food, where should they pick one up from?
• 46:41
  Speaker 6: So you can get them from all.
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: I mean, you can just jump on my instagra and
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: it's in my biolink all the places you can buy it,
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: but anywhere online, Amazon, you know, or anything doing such
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: a good job totally what's the Lady and will of fortune.
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: But also you know any stores. Target came up big
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: w It's a beautiful I'm always if you go to Target,
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: make sure you pay for it in.
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: Your bag and walk out.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: We'll also put a link to it in a show.
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: And also small independent bookstores because I'm a big one
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: for small businesses. So if you've got a local bookstore,
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: definitely try and get it from there too.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: It well, thank you so much.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Yes, I'm going to toss and throw and poor yeah gosh.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: Before we go, we are going to do a recipe
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: with Wholesome by Sarah. We have a delicious little blueberry
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: bread cake. We're going to put that on our socials.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: But before we go if you have enjoyed this episode,
• 47:47
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• 47:53
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• 47:56
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• 48:00
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• 48:01
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• 48:03
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• 48:07
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• 48:11
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• 48:12
  Speaker 2: Anyway, if you want to join us on socials, where
• 48:15
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• 48:16
  Speaker 1: Matt had Two Doting Dads on TikTok Instagram and there
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: is a Facebook group also, not the guest episodes, but
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: the Wednesday episodes. Full episodes are now on YouTube and well, yeah.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: Well we'll go.
• 48:27
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