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Credlin | 18 December · Credlin

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  Speaker 1: Peter Kranland live on Sky News Australia.
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  Speaker 2: But Eve being welcome to the program. It'll be of
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  Speaker 2: the last show, Vidya. I'm delighted to have your company.
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  Speaker 2: Here's what's coming up tonight on Kredlin. Incredibly emotional scenes
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  Speaker 2: as Bondai's youngest victim, little ten year old Matilda West,
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  Speaker 2: farewell today the Opposition leader was there, so to the
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  Speaker 2: Governor General. Yet heartbreaks now hardening to anger. The Prime
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  Speaker 2: Minister again misses another funeral. More to tonight on the
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  Speaker 2: discussion we must have about radical Islam in Australia, I'll
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  Speaker 2: speak with Senator James Patterson on his push to shut
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  Speaker 2: down the factories of hate like the Almadina Dawis.
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  Speaker 3: Center in Sydney.
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  Speaker 2: Plus we'll talk to two Labor men about what's really
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  Speaker 2: going on inside their party as radicals reshaped Labour's once
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  Speaker 2: proud pro Australian tradition of values and standing up for
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  Speaker 2: this country. And just how much is Burke's capitulated to
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  Speaker 2: a block block of Muslim votes inside Labor, about his
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  Speaker 2: future bid for the Labor leadership, and finally forced to
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  Speaker 2: properly front the media in Canberra, the Prime Minister copped
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  Speaker 2: a barrage of tough questions on the Bondai and massacre
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  Speaker 2: and the fact that he has been derelict in his
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  Speaker 2: duty to keep Australians safe.
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  Speaker 3: Do you take some responsibility for that delay?
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  Speaker 4: Is there a part of you that regrets not acting earlier?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, do you say you could have done more?
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  Speaker 5: Can you explain why you haven't done more until now?
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  Speaker 5: Will you be returning to Bondaire to meet with victims
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  Speaker 5: face to face, even if that means receiving some really
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  Speaker 5: tough criticism.
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  Speaker 2: We'll stay with that issue because in the wake of
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  Speaker 2: the worst terror atrosity in our history, proceeded by two
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  Speaker 2: years of unchecked incitements to violence against Jews, the Prime
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  Speaker 2: Minister should today have fronted that press conference and.
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  Speaker 3: Said I've got it wrong.
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  Speaker 2: We have failed, I have failed you, and I apologize.
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  Speaker 2: On the day that ten year old Matilda was buried,
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  Speaker 2: an apology contrition was the least that she and her
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  Speaker 2: family deserved. Had he done that, millions of Australians, I think,
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  Speaker 2: appalled what our country had come to, still would probably
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  Speaker 2: have been disposed to forgive him, or at least give
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  Speaker 2: him another chance to step up and show the leadership
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  Speaker 2: our country so desperately needs. Instead, he did what this
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  Speaker 2: appalling government always does, an ounce more spending and ounce
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  Speaker 2: more task forces and talk about what might be done
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  Speaker 2: at some unspecified time off in the future.
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  Speaker 4: Is there a part of you that regrets not acting
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  Speaker 4: earlier with more strength and conviction to try and do
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  Speaker 4: more earlier and for the pain that Jewish Australians and
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  Speaker 4: all Australians are feeling right now? Do you apologize for that?
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  Speaker 6: But my heart goes out to Jewish Australians. Is it
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  Speaker 6: more that can be done? Always more that can be done?
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  Speaker 6: Of course I acknowledged that more could have been done,
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  Speaker 6: and I accept my responsibility for the part in that
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  Speaker 6: as Prime Minister of Australia.
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  Speaker 2: What a gutless, weak little man. Have a look at
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  Speaker 2: these newspaper front pages this morning. Act now and more
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  Speaker 2: will die, screamed the Herald Sun. Why is the PM missing,
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  Speaker 2: asked The Australian Earth to albow, says a more direct
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  Speaker 2: Daily Telegraph abs and PM missus terror funerals and dodges
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  Speaker 2: the fury. Something that the Canberra press pack really took
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  Speaker 2: up with the Prime Minister when he stood there in
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  Speaker 2: the courtyard and took their questions for the first time
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  Speaker 2: since Sunday's terror attack.
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  Speaker 5: After the port arth Of massacre, John Howard went to rallies.
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  Speaker 5: He engaged face to face in the community. Even after
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  Speaker 5: the bush bise. Scott Morrison went down to the South
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  Speaker 5: coast and got some tough th back. My question is
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  Speaker 5: why haven't you attended any of the funerals. Why have
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  Speaker 5: you been saying that you weren't invited. Generally the processes
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  Speaker 5: of the Prime Minister's office reaches out to the families
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  Speaker 5: and asks permission, respectfully to attend, and will you be
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  Speaker 5: returning to Bondai to meet with victims face to face,
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  Speaker 5: even if that means receiving some really tough criticism.
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  Speaker 6: I have done that. I met with police, I've met
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  Speaker 6: with members of the community. I've been to homesim Bondai.
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  Speaker 3: You asked you.
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  Speaker 6: I respect the wishes of families.
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  Speaker 2: That journalist there, Sam Maiden, she's skewed Alban easy because
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  Speaker 2: she knows how the system works. She knows what happened
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  Speaker 2: under previous prime ministers. She was not going to let
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  Speaker 2: him get away with his highly controlled appearances all week.
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  Speaker 2: Those carefully orchestrated media pick facts. They're called attempts to
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  Speaker 2: shield him from an increasingly angry public. There are questions
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  Speaker 2: too about recalling the Federal Parliament to expedite a responses
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  Speaker 2: and you's wells. Premier has already announced, but that's apparently
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  Speaker 2: too hard as a relevant legislation is difficult to draft,
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  Speaker 2: so said Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke. And the Prime
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  Speaker 2: Minister is if the Attorney General's Department in Canberra is
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  Speaker 2: not full of lawyers ready to go. What's missing is
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  Speaker 2: the political will and all we're getting are the excuses.
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  Speaker 7: Work through that.
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  Speaker 6: This will require complex legal work as well, from the
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  Speaker 6: Department of Home Affairs and the Department of Attorney General
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  Speaker 6: as well.
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  Speaker 8: You need to remember the heads of power here are complex.
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  Speaker 8: This is not simple drafting.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, give me a break, Give me a break,
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  Speaker 2: more words, more excuses, more obfuscation, anything and everything to
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  Speaker 2: try and get the heat off the government. But not enough,
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  Speaker 2: fast enough has been done to make a difference now
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  Speaker 2: to the crisis we faith in this. Why did fifteen
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  Speaker 2: innocent people have to die for this government to wake
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  Speaker 2: up to what's happening?
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  Speaker 3: This government was worn for two years.
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  Speaker 2: Their own intelligence boss could not have been clearer. Antisemitism
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  Speaker 2: fested in Australia before the tragic events in the Middle East,
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  Speaker 2: but the drawn out conflict gave it oxygen and some
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  Speaker 2: anti Semites and excuse that's the bloke of course at
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  Speaker 2: the Prime Minister booted out of the National Security Committee
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  Speaker 2: of Cabinet. They're back in and he told him in
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  Speaker 2: February what was facing this country. So yes, the government
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  Speaker 2: today has announced it'll give itself more powers to deny
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  Speaker 2: or to cancel visas, to prosecute or deport hate preachers,
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  Speaker 2: and to ban and punish incitements to violence. Terrific great,
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  Speaker 2: but why did it have to come to this bigot action?
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  Speaker 2: If you watched this program or al any of my
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  Speaker 2: colleagues on this network, you'll have seen all of this,
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  Speaker 2: all of these images over and over and over again
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  Speaker 2: for two years. And yet the Prime Minister wants you
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  Speaker 2: to believe he has only just discovered this hate.
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  Speaker 9: I'm smiling and I'm happy.
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  Speaker 7: I'm it's a day of courage.
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  Speaker 9: By Allah, the day you will be kicked out or
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  Speaker 9: Palestine is coming.
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  Speaker 1: A day when the stones and the trees will speak
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  Speaker 1: and say, oh, Muslim, there is a Jew behind me.
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  Speaker 9: Coming to him.
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  Speaker 2: Today's flurry of announcements, or about a government, whether it's
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  Speaker 2: back to the wall politically, a government now unsure how
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  Speaker 2: to deal with a justifiable anger in our community. Labor
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  Speaker 2: thought this was just a Jewish issue, but it's not,
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  Speaker 2: because all of us now see this. I've always seen
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  Speaker 2: it as an Australian issue. This is not just about
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  Speaker 2: our Jewish friends anymore. This is about our country, our
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  Speaker 2: country and the country that Labor thus far has refused
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  Speaker 2: to defend. You know, these Labor politicians are good at
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  Speaker 2: saying sorry, aren't they for everything that might have happened
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  Speaker 2: two hundred years ago with the hands of someone else.
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  Speaker 2: But where's the apology for the stuff that's happening today
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  Speaker 2: on their watch failures that they are directly responsible for.
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  Speaker 2: The PM's press conference today had a feeling of too little,
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  Speaker 2: too late from a government that has never had its
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  Speaker 2: heart in keeping Australian safe. It's always sort of split
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  Speaker 2: the hairs between anti Zionism and anti Semitism and preferred
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  Speaker 2: to curry favor with Muslim voters in parts of Melbourne
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  Speaker 2: and Western Sydney. Tony Burke's Home Affairs Minister is so
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  Speaker 2: utterly compromised. He is so compromised he must stand down.
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  Speaker 2: He has lost the confidence of Australians to hold that
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  Speaker 2: most important of national security portfolios, and.
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  Speaker 3: It cannot be trusted.
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  Speaker 2: You cannot trust him not to use his power for
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  Speaker 2: eternal labor party advantage. How else do you explain the
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  Speaker 2: way that Burke held all of those mass citizenship ceremonies
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  Speaker 2: three thousand, four thousand and five thousand people in one hit,
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  Speaker 2: all just weeks out from the election being called, and
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  Speaker 2: those meetings he had, he denied having them, those secret
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  Speaker 2: meetings to bring in those Isis women, those collaborators with
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  Speaker 2: the death Cult, plus their children. And don't even get
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  Speaker 2: me started on the three thousand or so visas he
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  Speaker 2: handed out to people from Gaza when all of their
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  Speaker 2: Muslim neighbors in the Middle East they refuse to take
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  Speaker 2: anyone from that terrorist stronghold of Gaza. We don't even
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  Speaker 2: know whether these people were even and properly fitted. Just
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  Speaker 2: listen to this interview I did with two Muslim political
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  Speaker 2: analysts from the UAE when I was in London in February.
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  Speaker 3: On this very point.
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  Speaker 10: Security check is very essential and important because they come
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  Speaker 10: from an area is quite to radicalize these people when
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  Speaker 10: they come to your country, that are a tool away
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  Speaker 10: from carrying the crime against any of your children, or
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  Speaker 10: any of your people, or any of your markets. So
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  Speaker 10: it's quite dangerous to not do any security check. All countries,
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  Speaker 10: Arab countries they do security check on everybody. All the
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  Speaker 10: Muslim countries they do security check. It doesn't mean you're
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  Speaker 10: against the humanity. In fact, it means you're protecting humanity
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  Speaker 10: when you do so the security check.
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  Speaker 2: Not if you're Australian or if you're led by people
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  Speaker 2: like Tony Burke and Anthony Albanesi. Today, I would ask
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  Speaker 2: specifically about whether chance like globalize the into Father and
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  Speaker 2: death to the IDF would be banned. Burke ducked and waved.
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  Speaker 8: They capture slogans like from the River to the Sea
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  Speaker 8: and globalizing into FATA. See hate speech laws obviously or
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  Speaker 8: set a tests and I'm not going to be in
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  Speaker 8: the business of that, but if I put it in
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  Speaker 8: these terms, we have all seen vision of hate preachers
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  Speaker 8: where we are shocked that that is happening in Australia, USA.
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  Speaker 2: Blather you know, overnight in London, UK police have arrested
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  Speaker 2: pro Palestinian protesters for that very call to globalize the
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  Speaker 2: into fata. If you don't know what into fata means,
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  Speaker 2: it refers to the violent terrorist uprising in Israel against
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  Speaker 2: Jews that Islamists now want to go global. He said
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  Speaker 2: he's canceled visas on the grounds of anti Semitism, but
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  Speaker 2: he couldn't say, or wouldn't say, how many are in
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  Speaker 2: what circumstances. As I've said before, you know, show me
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  Speaker 2: just one hate preacher, just one that labors deported. Burke
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  Speaker 2: was right today though, when he said people who come
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  Speaker 2: here to hate, we don't need them. But why is
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  Speaker 2: it only now that this has occurred to him and
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  Speaker 2: the government, And what about this trife on banning The
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  Speaker 2: radical Islamist organization Husberteria banned overseas, but until today we
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  Speaker 2: were told by Burke it was too hard to catch
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  Speaker 2: them legally.
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  Speaker 8: They have been repeated checks as to whether they have
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  Speaker 8: crossed legal thresholds.
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  Speaker 7: They haven't. The thresholds are change it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he says, we can change them now. If you
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  Speaker 2: can just change them, that's simply if they've just crossed
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  Speaker 2: a legal threshold, And why not do it months ago?
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  Speaker 2: And here's the prime minister trying to justify himself and
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  Speaker 2: his government with claims that he's been uniquely opposed to
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  Speaker 2: hate speech, that before his time there wasn't even a
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  Speaker 2: special envoy for anti Semitism.
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  Speaker 6: We have engaged in a constructive way. We're done including
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  Speaker 6: there wasn't a special envoy on any Semitism before this
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  Speaker 6: government came to office.
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  Speaker 3: Well, beach your chest door, you like Alboat.
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  Speaker 2: We never needed an anti Semitism envoy because we never
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  Speaker 2: had leaders like you who let hate speech take hold
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  Speaker 2: like you have. Perhaps the most pathetic thing out of
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  Speaker 2: today's press conference was a Prime Minister referencing the closure
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  Speaker 2: of his Marrickville office and it was closed because of
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  Speaker 2: islam As protests, and he said that he now gets
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  Speaker 2: the impact of due hatred.
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  Speaker 6: I have an office that has closed on Merrickville Road
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  Speaker 6: where people were attacked, bilified, people just trying to get
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  Speaker 6: help with many care or social security. Now that's been
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  Speaker 6: very difficult.
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  Speaker 2: This is a Prime minister, by his own admission, hurt him.
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  Speaker 2: He cannot even keep his own office open, yet he
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  Speaker 2: wants us to believe he can keep Australia safe. If
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't obvious already, this man is not up to
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  Speaker 2: the job of leading this country. He is weak, He
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  Speaker 2: is an embarrassment. He has put political gain ahead of
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  Speaker 2: protecting his people. He should hang his head in shame
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  Speaker 2: and he should go. Let's go to the man who
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  Speaker 2: I think really pushed him hard in the press conference today,
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  Speaker 2: a political reporter in Canberra cam redden.
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  Speaker 7: His nation in mourning.
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  Speaker 4: The Prime Minister makes a pledge to.
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  Speaker 6: Act package of legislative reforms to crack down on those
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  Speaker 6: who spread hate, division and radicalization.
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  Speaker 4: It includes a new aggravated hate speech offense for preachers
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  Speaker 4: and leaders who promote violence, along with increased penalties and
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  Speaker 4: making hate and aggravating fact in sentencing for online threats.
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  Speaker 4: A new regime will be developed to list organizations promoting hate,
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  Speaker 4: along with a new offense of advocating racial supremacy.
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  Speaker 8: We have all seen vision of hate preachers where we
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  Speaker 8: are shocked that that is happening in Australia. They have
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  Speaker 8: been repeated checks as to whether they have cross legal thresholds.
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  Speaker 7: They haven't. The thresholds are changing.
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  Speaker 11: These measures could have been announced in the Prime ministers
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  Speaker 11: courtyard or indeed anywhere else last Thursday.
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  Speaker 4: A special Education Task Force will be led by longtime
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  Speaker 4: public servant David Gonsky, targeting anti Semitism on university campuses
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  Speaker 4: and schools.
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  Speaker 7: And it will meet for the first time tomorrow morning.
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  Speaker 4: But there's no timeline on when these new reforms will
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  Speaker 4: become law. Federal Parliament isn't due back until February, whereas
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  Speaker 4: the new South Wales Parliament is being recalled next week
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  Speaker 4: to pass urgent gun and protest reforms.
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's bring in my pad on our former
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  Speaker 2: Liberal MP and Cole Flint Scunius contributed carollly Katz and Badas.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you to you both the Prime Minister today and
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  Speaker 2: I've referenced it at the top of the program. Grilled
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  Speaker 2: over why he hasn't been back and down to the
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  Speaker 2: scenes at Bondai.
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  Speaker 5: After the pot arth In massacre, John Howard went to rallies,
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  Speaker 5: He engaged face to face in the community. Even after
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  Speaker 5: the bush buyers. Scott Morrison, you know, went down to
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  Speaker 5: the South coast and got some tough feedback. My question
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  Speaker 5: is why haven't you attended any of the funerals. Why
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  Speaker 5: have you been saying that you weren't invited? Generally the
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  Speaker 5: processes that the Prime Minister's office reaches out to the
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  Speaker 5: families and asks permission respectfully to attend and will you
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  Speaker 5: be returning to Bondai to meet with victims face to face,
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  Speaker 5: even if that means receiving some really tough criticism.
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  Speaker 6: I have done that. I met with police, I've met
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  Speaker 6: with members of the community. I've been to homes in Bondai.
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  Speaker 3: You asked you.
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  Speaker 6: I respect the wishes of families.
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  Speaker 2: The coff You've been a and MP, you've worked in
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  Speaker 2: political offices. You know how it works. So to Sam Maiden,
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  Speaker 2: that's why she was so pointed. I mean, even the
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  Speaker 2: Prime Minister's tone in his response was telling.
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  Speaker 12: It's really quite shocking, Peter to hear the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 12: of Australia dodge questions like this, especially from someone like
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  Speaker 12: Samath the Maiden, one of our most experienced political journalists.
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  Speaker 12: There is absolutely no excuse for the Prime Minister's office
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  Speaker 12: not contacting every single family and asking if they would
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  Speaker 12: like the Prime Minister to be in attendance at the
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  Speaker 12: funerals of these poor, innocent people who have lost their
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  Speaker 12: lives in the most horrific manner. I think that is
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  Speaker 12: a very basic courtesy. We have seen Susan Lee do that.
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  Speaker 12: We've seen Taniel Plibas do that today with poor darling
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  Speaker 12: little Matilda's funeral, and that is just the most heartbreaking, heartbreaking.
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  Speaker 3: Funeral in all of this.
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  Speaker 9: They all are what on earth.
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  Speaker 12: Is the Prime Minister going to do to reassure Austadiums
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  Speaker 12: that we can trust him and his leadership. I don't
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  Speaker 12: think there's anything that he can do. There's the old saying,
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  Speaker 12: of course, you know, cometh cometh, cometh, the out cometh
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  Speaker 12: the man, or I would say, the moment came and
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  Speaker 12: the man did not prove himself. Peter, this is just
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  Speaker 12: it's shocking. The Prime Minister, as you have said, is weak.
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  Speaker 12: I think he's cowardly. He has not demonstrated a shred
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  Speaker 12: of leadership. And I agree completely with you that he
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  Speaker 12: must go.
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  Speaker 2: So much emotion over the whole week, but that emotions
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  Speaker 2: really turning to anger, and we saw a lot of
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  Speaker 2: anger today outside the synagogue at Matilda's funeral.
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  Speaker 3: Have a listen, Jesus, this was Jewish.
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  Speaker 5: You're all going to celebrate Christmas very soon, right, Jesus
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  Speaker 5: was a Jew, he would have looked like a rabbi
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  Speaker 5: that was killed last week.
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  Speaker 9: He looked like that the.
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  Speaker 5: Whole christiantyday your world celebrates Christmas.
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  Speaker 11: I'm a Jewish man and his apostles were Rabbis like
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  Speaker 11: these guys.
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  Speaker 3: Look, she's right, Caroly.
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  Speaker 2: I made this very point last Christmas to all those
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  Speaker 2: people who say the Jews have got no historical links
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  Speaker 2: with the land of Israel, and I say to them,
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  Speaker 2: on the twenty fifth of December, we will celebrate the
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  Speaker 2: birth of a Jew some two thousand plus years ago.
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  Speaker 2: But this emotion on display. It's not just that Jewish
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  Speaker 2: Australians are angry.
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  Speaker 3: They are and that anger is raw, and that grief
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  Speaker 3: is raw. But I think we all feel that way now, Peter.
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  Speaker 13: We do at times like this, we expect our leaders
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  Speaker 13: to actually stand up during a national crisis. John Curtain
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  Speaker 13: did it during World War II. Bob Hawk did it
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  Speaker 13: during Tianaman's after Tianaman Square, John Howard with the gun
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  Speaker 13: lawers after Port Arthur, and he faced a massive backlash
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  Speaker 13: from with his own camp as well. But when we
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  Speaker 13: see what we have seen with Anthony alban Easy, these
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  Speaker 13: weasel words and who wouldn't want the Prime Minister at
• 20:21
  Speaker 13: a relative's funeral, we just know that he has failed
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  Speaker 13: the Australian people. And he doesn't know what to do
• 20:27
  Speaker 13: because quite frankly, he traded, He traded Jewish safety for
• 20:33
  Speaker 13: Western Sydney votes. He can't even say that.
• 20:36
  Speaker 7: And I have to say to you, I notice.
• 20:37
  Speaker 13: The big things as well as the small things, and
• 20:39
  Speaker 13: you can correct me if I'm wrong. I haven't seen
• 20:42
  Speaker 13: that man put a kipper on his head. I thought
• 20:45
  Speaker 13: the flowers that he took in a plastic rap when
• 20:48
  Speaker 13: he went there were disgraceful, not even a box of flowers,
• 20:51
  Speaker 13: no offense to woooze colls or Aldi, but they're like
• 20:53
  Speaker 13: a bunch of Aldi flowers. They did it on the
• 20:55
  Speaker 13: way down there. Where's the ribbon, where's a card? Where
• 20:59
  Speaker 13: is the human touch? Because at the end of the day,
• 21:01
  Speaker 13: he actually doesn't believe in it. And it's absolutely shocking.
• 21:06
  Speaker 13: And you know, there's nothing good that can come out
• 21:09
  Speaker 13: of this because he's been warned for years by you,
• 21:12
  Speaker 13: with your program, by the whole of Sky News Australia,
• 21:15
  Speaker 13: by many many Jewish organizations that their safety is not there.
• 21:19
  Speaker 13: And this is a day that we never ever thought
• 21:22
  Speaker 13: would come where you've got Jewish people just wanting to
• 21:24
  Speaker 13: leave Australia because they don't feel safe and the Prime
• 21:28
  Speaker 13: Minister needs to take personal responsibility. He can't even verbalize it,
• 21:32
  Speaker 13: and he doesn't deserve to be the Prime Minister and
• 21:35
  Speaker 13: he should resign.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: Let's go to the legislative substantial stuff here. Globalize the
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: into FATA, that was one of the things that was
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: put to Tony Burok today. Would that be hate speech?
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Would that be out lord? I mentioned overnight in London
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: people have been arrested for that phrase.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Let's have a listen.
• 21:54
  Speaker 8: Will they capture slogans like from the Red Terescy and
• 21:56
  Speaker 8: globalizing Intafada. We have all seen vision of hate preachers
• 22:01
  Speaker 8: where we are shocked that that is happening in Australia.
• 22:04
  Speaker 7: It is not.
• 22:05
  Speaker 8: Representative of what people expect in Australia and it's certainly
• 22:08
  Speaker 8: not representative of the Muslim community in Australia either. They
• 22:14
  Speaker 8: have been repeated checks as to whether they have crossed
• 22:17
  Speaker 8: legal thresholds.
• 22:18
  Speaker 7: They haven't. The thresholds are changing.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: Well, Nicole, you've got legal training.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Two points for me, a lot of these hate preachers
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: are in his own electorate. He can't say that he's
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: shocked about any of that. But two, this excuse that
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: the legislation is going to be really difficult to draft, well,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: every bit of legislation is. He's got a whole raft
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: of people there in the Office of Parliamentary Drafting, They've
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: got a whole department in the Attorney General's area. Why
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: can't they bring the parliament back as Chris Mins has done,
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: if nothing else, to show of strength around the world,
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: we will not tolerate this stuff in this country. But
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: they surely can pull this legislation together.
• 23:00
  Speaker 12: Recall parliament immediately. Peter, Look, I know we've got Christmas
• 23:04
  Speaker 12: coming up next week, but they could squoys it in
• 23:07
  Speaker 12: before Christmas Day or just immediately after the start of
• 23:11
  Speaker 12: the new year. I think the very least that the
• 23:14
  Speaker 12: Federal Parliament should be doing is leading our nation in
• 23:19
  Speaker 12: our shared grief and reassuring all Australians that this festering
• 23:26
  Speaker 12: problem will finally be dealt with as it should have
• 23:29
  Speaker 12: been dealt with two years ago. And as we know,
• 23:32
  Speaker 12: Sky has led the charge on this. Josh Bredenberg has
• 23:34
  Speaker 12: been relentless. People like Chris Kenny, Jemeton Nuni, you know,
• 23:38
  Speaker 12: the Australian It's not like they didn't know. Azio has
• 23:41
  Speaker 12: mentioned that this is precisely the time for action. And
• 23:46
  Speaker 12: they have hundreds and hundreds of in house lawyers, you know,
• 23:50
  Speaker 12: Government Attorney General's Department lawyers.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: They've got full.
• 23:53
  Speaker 12: Access to the private sector which they don't mind using,
• 23:56
  Speaker 12: for example, to make Linda Reynolds and Fiona Brown's completely miserable.
• 24:00
  Speaker 12: So actually show some leadership. But the other problem here,
• 24:04
  Speaker 12: of course, Peter is Tony Burke. So ALBERANIZI needs to go.
• 24:08
  Speaker 12: Tony Burke absolutely needs to go. He cannot remain in
• 24:12
  Speaker 12: this portfolio. As you said at the outset of your show,
• 24:15
  Speaker 12: he is hopelessly compromised. He cannot be allowed to maintain
• 24:20
  Speaker 12: his portfolios because he cannot separate his track record on
• 24:26
  Speaker 12: this issue and the decisions he's made like the Isis
• 24:28
  Speaker 12: brides and three thousand visas per gardens and letting eleven
• 24:33
  Speaker 12: thousand people and into a citizenship ceremony. Enough is enough,
• 24:37
  Speaker 12: and this has to be the point at which we
• 24:39
  Speaker 12: see actual change at last.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Colin Caroly, thank you for your time, Thank you for
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: being with me all the way through this year. Both
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: of you have a very Christmas and I'll see you
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: both next year. Right after the break come back with
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: James Patterson a lot I want to get through, want
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: to pick apart those rapport reforms and also calls for
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: those hate factories to.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: Be shut down. Welcome back.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: We've got some break in news before I bring in
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Senator James Patterson. Across now live to Sherry Markson. There's
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: some information about police arrests in Liverpool in western Sydney. Jerry,
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: what can you tell us, hi, Peter.
• 25:23
  Speaker 14: Look, I've confirmed that police have made arrests of several
• 25:27
  Speaker 14: men in Liverpool in southwest Sydney, acting on intelligence that
• 25:32
  Speaker 14: the men were intending to travel to Bondi Beach, so
• 25:36
  Speaker 14: New South Wales. Police received intelligence that the individuals had
• 25:40
  Speaker 14: traveled from Melbourne, they were known to the agencies and
• 25:44
  Speaker 14: they were intending to go Toe Beach. You're looking at
• 25:48
  Speaker 14: the dramatic vision now on your screen of tactical officers
• 25:52
  Speaker 14: in camouflage uniforms with helmets making these dramatic arrests in
• 25:57
  Speaker 14: broad daylight in Liverpool. It's understood police took a cautious
• 26:02
  Speaker 14: approach to the intelligence given the climate in the way
• 26:06
  Speaker 14: of the Bondai terror attack on Sunday evening. We have
• 26:09
  Speaker 14: to say it is unclear at this stage what the
• 26:11
  Speaker 14: intention of the men was in traveling to Bondai, but
• 26:15
  Speaker 14: it is understood to have required a strong response from police,
• 26:18
  Speaker 14: so that led to these dramatic arrests. Also raids on
• 26:22
  Speaker 14: their vehicle this afternoon in Southwest Sydney and Liverpool again
• 26:27
  Speaker 14: its counter terror police made these arrests after receiving intelligence
• 26:32
  Speaker 14: that the individuals had traveled from Melbourne and were intending
• 26:36
  Speaker 14: to go to Bondai.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: Beach ollive it there, Cherry. Thank you.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: We'll obviously be watching your program at eight o'clock and
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Skyonne throughout the night for any further updates we get.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: Thanks Sherry.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Let's bring in the shadow Finance Minister of course, someone
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: though with plenty of national security history, Sedator James Paterson. James,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: thank you for being here. Just a reaction to what
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: you've seen there.
• 26:58
  Speaker 15: Well, Stralians will be shocked to see images like that tonight,
• 27:01
  Speaker 15: police in camouflage gear with long arms standing over men
• 27:05
  Speaker 15: who are faced down on the pavement with their hands
• 27:08
  Speaker 15: tied behind their back. That is an image we're more
• 27:10
  Speaker 15: used to seeing coming out of Gaza, not coming out
• 27:13
  Speaker 15: of Sydney. And police don't take action like that lightly.
• 27:16
  Speaker 15: They clearly rammed that vehicle off the road in order
• 27:19
  Speaker 15: to arrest these men and interdict them. According to Sharry
• 27:22
  Speaker 15: Markson's reporting on the Way to Bondi, I think that
• 27:25
  Speaker 15: just shows the heightened environment that we're in and the
• 27:27
  Speaker 15: seriousness which we all need to take this. Let's hope
• 27:31
  Speaker 15: that Bondai is the last worst ever terror attack in Australia.
• 27:35
  Speaker 15: Let's hope there's never any more. But hope is not
• 27:37
  Speaker 15: enough when it action to accompany it to make sure
• 27:40
  Speaker 15: there are no more incidents like Bondai.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Well, giving the briefings you've had, giving what I've known
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: in the past, I'm not surprised to hear there from Melbourne.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: I'm not surprised for us to be talking tonight about
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: this being at Australia wide issue.
• 27:52
  Speaker 15: Exactly right. There are radicalized cells of extreme Muslims around
• 27:57
  Speaker 15: our country, but particularly concentrated our major cities on the
• 28:00
  Speaker 15: East and Seaboard, especially Sydney and Melbourne. And I did
• 28:03
  Speaker 15: see Tony Burke on the seven thirty report the other
• 28:06
  Speaker 15: night talking about BONDI, trying to reassure people by saying
• 28:09
  Speaker 15: we're only dealing with two people here. Well, if only
• 28:12
  Speaker 15: we were dealing with only two people here. The truth
• 28:14
  Speaker 15: is there are people, a larger number of people that
• 28:17
  Speaker 15: have concerned to our intelligence agencies and police and are
• 28:20
  Speaker 15: being actively monitored by our intelligence agencies.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: That looks the men involved once did and Wine has
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: been arrested and now Charger will be careful with our language,
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: but it doesn't Early on it looked like it could
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: be a lone wolf attack, albeit with two people. Now
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: when you look at the information, we have the presence
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: of the younger alleged killer on Asio, watch the significant
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: travel to the southern parts of the Philippines. We both
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: know there's training camps for terrorism and obviously now what
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: we're seeing play out just a couple of hours ago,
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: this is of a real concern. You talked about radical
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Muslims a moment ago, why can't you say that word?
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: Why can you say that phrase? And the Prime Minister
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: can't and Tony.
• 29:05
  Speaker 15: Burkhert Honestly, there's no good explanation as to why they're
• 29:08
  Speaker 15: refusing to use language like that, or why they're so
• 29:10
  Speaker 15: reticent to use language like that when they're really pushed.
• 29:13
  Speaker 15: Occasionally they might say words like that, but they're very
• 29:16
  Speaker 15: quickly followed up with qualifiers to downplay what they're saying.
• 29:20
  Speaker 15: It's hard to escape the judgment that it's about electoral considerations.
• 29:24
  Speaker 15: I mean, some of the worst behavior that we've seen
• 29:27
  Speaker 15: is in Tony Burk's electric the Almadina Dawa Center, which
• 29:30
  Speaker 15: I've been calling to be shut down for a long
• 29:32
  Speaker 15: time now, which is a corrosive institution that spreads radical
• 29:35
  Speaker 15: islam Is in Tony Burk's part, we've.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Seen them and we play them and the Prime Minister
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: looks like today he's just worken up to hate preachers.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: But if you watch sky News, you've been probably bored
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: with that footage. We've played it so often over the
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: last two years. Can they shut it down now? Does
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: in need new legislation?
• 29:50
  Speaker 15: Well, new legislation might help, but why are they only
• 29:53
  Speaker 15: introducing it now, In fact, not even introducing it, just
• 29:55
  Speaker 15: saying they're get to drafted over summer and it might
• 29:57
  Speaker 15: be ready for Parliament when it returns in February. These
• 30:00
  Speaker 15: organizations didn't become a problem on Sunday. These organizations, including
• 30:04
  Speaker 15: his Obit Daria, have been a problem for years and
• 30:07
  Speaker 15: they chose not to address it earlier. So I think
• 30:10
  Speaker 15: they haven't fully utilized all the existing tools that we have.
• 30:13
  Speaker 15: I would like to see what kind of scrutiny these
• 30:16
  Speaker 15: guys could bear if they Ato was sent after them,
• 30:19
  Speaker 15: if the ACNC was sent after them, if Ostrak was
• 30:21
  Speaker 15: sent after them, Let alone Azo and the AFP. I
• 30:24
  Speaker 15: doubt that'd stand up to that kind of scrutiny. And frankly,
• 30:27
  Speaker 15: I think much of what they've done since the seventh
• 30:29
  Speaker 15: October has constituted incitement to violence, which is a crime
• 30:33
  Speaker 15: in this country, and they should have been prosecuted for it.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: Why couldn't the Prime Minister say sorry today?
• 30:37
  Speaker 15: Sorry is the hardest word to say for Anthony Abernezi.
• 30:40
  Speaker 15: He is a very proud and stubborn man. He very
• 30:43
  Speaker 15: rarely admits fault. I'm told even in private journalists say
• 30:47
  Speaker 15: he's so reluctant to concede any error of his own,
• 30:50
  Speaker 15: and I think it diminishes his leadership. He said today
• 30:53
  Speaker 15: he wasn't perfect. Well, he's far from perfect, and if
• 30:56
  Speaker 15: you ask the Jewish Committee, they'll tell you he's not
• 30:57
  Speaker 15: even close to that. And he should be honest and
• 31:00
  Speaker 15: say he hasn't done everything in his power to stop this.
• 31:04
  Speaker 15: We can't say for certain that anyone action would have
• 31:06
  Speaker 15: stopped the event on Sunday, the terror attack on Sunday.
• 31:09
  Speaker 15: But can we say that he did everything in his
• 31:11
  Speaker 15: power to prevent that from happening. No, No, he did not.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: I want to play some comments out of an interview
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: last night Josh Freedenberg was on the ABC and there
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: was a reprehensible end to that interview, Sarah Ferguson, Have
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: a listen.
• 31:25
  Speaker 7: How do we not see this through a political lens?
• 31:30
  Speaker 12: I mean the case that you're making a personal case
• 31:32
  Speaker 12: against the Prime minister.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: I'm deeply offended by what you just said.
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: I'm deeply offended.
• 31:38
  Speaker 10: That is an insult.
• 31:40
  Speaker 11: That is an insult to say that there's any political
• 31:44
  Speaker 11: motivation in this.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: What's your reaction today?
• 31:48
  Speaker 15: In a way, Peter, I'm actually glad that question was
• 31:51
  Speaker 15: asked because of Josh's very powerful answer, which I think
• 31:54
  Speaker 15: really just spoke volumes to his integrity and his leadership,
• 31:57
  Speaker 15: but also because the truth is the Labour Party is
• 31:59
  Speaker 15: whispered this behind closed doors. They're trying to dismiss criticism
• 32:02
  Speaker 15: by people like Josh by saying it's just political, it's
• 32:05
  Speaker 15: just partisan, not recognizing he's one of the most prominent
• 32:08
  Speaker 15: Jews in Australia and a leader of the Jewish community
• 32:11
  Speaker 15: who's long out of Parliament and is doing this from
• 32:13
  Speaker 15: a place of conviction. So I'm glad Josh had the
• 32:15
  Speaker 15: opportunity to say what he said. I think we're all
• 32:17
  Speaker 15: better for having heard that.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: It felt like the ABC though, I was doing the
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: tag team with Labor because Josh had spoken so powerfully
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: during the afternoon and had I think shame the Prime
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: Minister in defronting the media today in Canberra, and I
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: felt that the ABC was out there doing the bobber
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: forbidding of Labor.
• 32:33
  Speaker 15: Well, as you know, sometimes the ABC does do that sometimes.
• 32:37
  Speaker 15: I mean some of the commentary that Laura Tingle has
• 32:38
  Speaker 15: been running this week really just speaking.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: The religion's got nothing to do with it.
• 32:42
  Speaker 15: Apparently people who are motivated by Islamic state, who are
• 32:46
  Speaker 15: Muslim and extremists allegedly are not motivated by religion. I
• 32:50
  Speaker 15: mean that's just biggest belief. It's treating the viewers of
• 32:52
  Speaker 15: the ABSC like their idiots, and frankly the ABC should
• 32:55
  Speaker 15: do better.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: I wish it was a better way to end the year.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Bit all the best to you in your family for Christmas.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: So Pa, thank you all right, quick break after break
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: two Labor men on how the party is drifted so
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: far away from the values of Bob Hawk when it
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: comes to Anti seventy seven.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: Welcome back now.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: As I said at the top of the program, the
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Prime Minister's response to the slaughter of fifteen innocent people
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: has been nothing short of appalling, and yesterday he finally
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: announced a suite of new laws, but frankly too little,
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: too late. Joining me now to discuss this and the
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: both labormen former Labor MP Michael Danby and GXO Strategies Director,
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: former chief of staff to Bill Shorten, Cameron Milner.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: Well, gentlemen, welcome.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: I want to make this debate and a discussion about
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: how on earth the Labor Party got to the point
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: they are in now, and hopefully a sense that it
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: can drag itself out to be again the party of
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: someone that it was led by in the name of
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Bob Hawk. Camra Milner to you first, I mean your
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: reflectsd you have worked for a Labor leader. I want
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: to get your reflections on the week that was and
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: Anthony Albanese's performance on the national stage.
• 34:17
  Speaker 11: Well, it hasn't been a performance, it's been a total
• 34:19
  Speaker 11: and art of dereliction of duty. I mean, when the
• 34:21
  Speaker 11: country need to be pulled together by a strong prime minister,
• 34:24
  Speaker 11: the weakest person who's ever held this office, struck around
• 34:27
  Speaker 11: the shadows, wouldn't do a press conference, did set pieces.
• 34:30
  Speaker 11: It's a disgrace, Peter, absolute disgrace. And the fact that
• 34:34
  Speaker 11: fifteen families of loved ones who lost their lives, not
• 34:37
  Speaker 11: one family wants to see the Prime Minister at one
• 34:40
  Speaker 11: of their funeral services, not one of them, because they
• 34:42
  Speaker 11: don't want to add his insult to their injury. That
• 34:45
  Speaker 11: says what he's done to the office of the Prime
• 34:46
  Speaker 11: Minister that they don't want the Prime Minister Australia at
• 34:49
  Speaker 11: these funerals because it's held by Anthony Albernese. But to
• 34:51
  Speaker 11: your point, Peter, it's not a labor problem. Labour's got
• 34:54
  Speaker 11: Chris Mins, the Premier New South Wales, who is handling
• 34:57
  Speaker 11: this brilliantly. Is a teaming funeral services, being there with
• 35:01
  Speaker 11: the bereaved and the grieving. He's out there as a
• 35:03
  Speaker 11: labor minister. So now this is a labor problem, Peter,
• 35:05
  Speaker 11: it's an Albert's problem.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Michael Demie, I listened to the Prime minister today say
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: that you know, we've never ever had a Jewish envoy
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: for anti Semitism before me, as if it was something
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: to be proud of, because we've never needed an anti
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Semitism residally before.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: You this it's him Wong and Burke goes late at night,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Wong takes a bunch of flowers to the Holocaust Century
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: in Adelaide that these people are as I've maintained on
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: this station for the last five years, have taken over
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: the Labor Party. It's the socialist left. It's not like
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: the Party of Beasley, Pork and Shorten. And they just
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: have no empathy on these issues. And indeed it's a
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: wider threat to Australia because I don't think they really
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: care about international affairs, including child so that if you
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: extrapolate their lack of insight on the Jewish and Israeli
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: issues to the wider spectrum, you've got a government that's
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: sort of, as you say, run by sixty year old teenagers.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, I cannot believe that we've let these hate
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: centers go. Tony Burke should have been out there the
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: first day, as I said at a rally in Sydney
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: two days afterwards outside the lakember Mosque, saying so far
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: and no further. I am a leader of Australia. You
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: will not incite people to murder and talk about other
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: minorities like this. That would have been leadership. You don't
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: even have to do legislation. You just have to use
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: the power of ministry or power and moral slation.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: The problem though, when you know this well Kameron Milner,
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: and it was explained in great depth to me this
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: week by Labor insider. He is constrained because of his
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: ambition to be Labor leader himself. This is Tony Burke
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: and he's got a block votes. And it's not just
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: the Muslim votes in his seat. I've spoken about that before.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: That's important, sure, but it's a very safe Labour seat.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: It's the Muslim vote, a block of votes in the
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Labor Party that should he run for leader. When he
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: runs for leader and we know that the rules were
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: changed of course under Kevin Rudd, he'll require caucus votes
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: and he'll want this block of Muslim votes. So this
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: is what is driving Tony burg.
• 37:28
  Speaker 9: No.
• 37:29
  Speaker 11: And there's this naked ambition, naked ambition from Tony Burke.
• 37:31
  Speaker 11: I mean he's always wanted the top job, even though
• 37:33
  Speaker 11: he's knowing you're capable of doing it. He's always had
• 37:35
  Speaker 11: that ambition, Peter right from Young Labor, But you're right.
• 37:37
  Speaker 11: I mean he locked up the unions with industrial relations
• 37:40
  Speaker 11: laws that have wrecked our economy. Now he's looking after
• 37:43
  Speaker 11: the branch vote and the Muslim stacks, and Michael knows this.
• 37:46
  Speaker 11: The Muslims have been stacked into the Labor Party. Those
• 37:48
  Speaker 11: Muslim stacks are rock solid votes for Tony Burke and.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: The Left have been allowed Cameron to take over your
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Queensland branch where the last conference just in the papers
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: and a few days before Bondo past another set of
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: extremist resolutions calling to expel all Israelis and it just it's.
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  Speaker 9: Almost out of control.
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  Speaker 1: Not willing to speak elbow Wong or Burke to the
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  Speaker 1: people inside. And that's the mark of their lack of leadership, Karen.
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  Speaker 2: The Labor Party when it has been led by the
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Labor right, you know, And I'm on the other side
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: of politics, of course, there's been a Labor Party that
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: has led Australia broadly, speaking well and proudly. And I
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: wonder whether and I say this because Tony Burke and
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Chris Bowen and Jason Claire are all members of the
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: Labor right. So can the Labor Party get back to
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: the Labor Party right of old? Can you purge this
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: out of the Labor right, can then be a resurgence
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: of the right.
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  Speaker 11: Well, the good thing is that the British Labor Party
• 38:55
  Speaker 11: had Stamer purge the Corpornistas, who are basically a bunch
• 38:58
  Speaker 11: of anti Semites.
• 38:59
  Speaker 7: So it can be done.
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  Speaker 11: Can be done, but it's going to require premiers like
• 39:02
  Speaker 11: Peter now Alauskas and premiers like Chris Min's to lead
• 39:05
  Speaker 11: the way for the labor right, because those unfortunately in
• 39:08
  Speaker 11: the Labor Caucus federally A mendicants to the Albinists, mendicates the.
• 39:13
  Speaker 7: Albanists the warren with the bird.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: They just go along with it.
• 39:17
  Speaker 11: And they're so weak, they're so week agree. I agree, Michael,
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  Speaker 11: I mean not the right of old, not the right
• 39:22
  Speaker 11: of alved But Peter, there are still good people with
• 39:24
  Speaker 11: the right hearts in that place. But the problem is
• 39:27
  Speaker 11: you've got albert Ees acquiescing to Islamic's acquiescing to Islamic
• 39:32
  Speaker 11: extremism and now terrorism in Australia and that's the weakness
• 39:36
  Speaker 11: at the heart of this government and that's the problem
• 39:37
  Speaker 11: that we as Australians are going to do. Which is
• 39:39
  Speaker 11: why your article was so good today, Peter, it called
• 39:41
  Speaker 11: it out. Why is it so hard for the Prime
• 39:43
  Speaker 11: Minister when his own security agencies are saying these are
• 39:46
  Speaker 11: is Islamic terrorists to call it for what it is,
• 39:48
  Speaker 11: which is exactly Islamic extremism.
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  Speaker 1: Peter and Cameron.
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  Speaker 9: He doesn't get it.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: Neither does Burke.
• 39:55
  Speaker 9: No, non of is wrong.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: They think this is an issue to manage inside of Australia.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: You make mechanical statements, you do mechanical things. It's got
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: out of control. It's like not preparing for defense and
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: letting the Chinese circumnavigate Australia real issues. The real will
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: catches up.
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  Speaker 3: With you, Karen. Can I just go to you as
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: we leave. I mean, these things.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: I think have a way of dragging down governments. And
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: I know he's got a very handsome margin in the Parliament,
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: and I know we've just had a federal election, and
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: I know you know, I think Susan Lee's done well
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: in recent days.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: But there are deficiencies.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: Systemic policy deficiency is still on the coalition side. However,
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: this is no longer a Jewish issue. This has gone
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: deep and deep and deep into the Australian psyche over
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: the week. I think it's getting far worse for the
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Prime Minister than getting better. Can this bring down the
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Prime minister? Can there be a movement where his colleagues say,
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: thank you for your service, but enough's enough?
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: Will he be showing the door? Well?
• 40:59
  Speaker 11: I mean, the actions of the last few days have
• 41:01
  Speaker 11: been so unbelievably weak and not what Restrainians wanted, not
• 41:04
  Speaker 11: what Australian's expected from the office of the Prime Minister. So
• 41:07
  Speaker 11: he's already tarnished and you know, and marked down himself
• 41:10
  Speaker 11: in terms of that role. Let's see what he can
• 41:11
  Speaker 11: do over the next few days and weeks to see
• 41:13
  Speaker 11: what the package is. But if he doesn't do this properly,
• 41:16
  Speaker 11: or God help us, another terrorist attack from an Islamic
• 41:18
  Speaker 11: extremist ocurs. You know, it shouldn't take fifteen people to
• 41:21
  Speaker 11: die Peter for this government to act. It shouldn't take
• 41:23
  Speaker 11: fifteen people's families to be burying people this week for
• 41:26
  Speaker 11: the Albertiez governor to do something about Islamic terrorism. But
• 41:30
  Speaker 11: come something and do it.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Well, what happens if it's on a Christmas market like
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: they're doing in Europe, these Islamists. I mean, if this
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: could get wider and worse. He just hasn't appreciated how
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: bad this thing is. It starts with the Saturday people,
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: the Jews, and it spreads to the Sunday people. This
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: is out of control. Chris Means has shown leadership by
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: reconvening parliament and doesn't he make Elbow look bad? Who's
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: not getting people back to look at that SEAgel report.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: I have to leave it there. I'll leave it there.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: I hope that there is change inside the Labor Party
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: as much as I hope there is change in our
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: country in twenty twenty six Christmas.
• 42:10
  Speaker 16: And you always.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: We know things a.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: Krook, aren't you when people inside the Labor Party are
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: prepared to speak very publicly about how disappointed and angry
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: they are about the prime ministers like leadership.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: Right after the.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: Break, more on the elephant in the room, radical Islamism
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: and why we need a serious debate on immigration.
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: Welcome back.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: Well, as you have seen this week, some politicians don't
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: want to discuss radical Islam. But that is a discussion
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: we must have here in Australia. We need to be
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: certain that people coming to this country do not harbor
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: hateful views that they're willing to join Team Australia. Now,
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: I played comments earlier from arm Jed Taha, an expert
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: in strategic political affairs in the Middle it comes from
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: a predominantly Islamic country and made that very powerful point.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Joined me to discuss the issue further. Psychiatrist, and also
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: for Collette Tandier Hmed Tandy, thank you for your time.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: You you wrotdy quote the other day that the identity
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: of the alleged bond Ni terrorist reveals some uncomfortable truths
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: about anti Semitism within some of the Muslim population.
• 43:24
  Speaker 17: How so well, the reality is is just especially rife. Now,
• 43:28
  Speaker 17: initially there was a mistake there where I thought they
• 43:30
  Speaker 17: were from Pakistan and that has the highest rates of
• 43:32
  Speaker 17: anti Semitism in the world. But turns out the father
• 43:35
  Speaker 17: was from India Hydrabad. But Indian Muslims also have a
• 43:38
  Speaker 17: very high rate of antisemitism. So this is where I mean.
• 43:41
  Speaker 17: On one level, the governments and authorities were very slow
• 43:44
  Speaker 17: to even say the word Islamic extremism, but right throughout
• 43:48
  Speaker 17: this period also, I think the Muslim community is often
• 43:51
  Speaker 17: in a degree of denial about the levels of antisemitism,
• 43:54
  Speaker 17: and I think that's a key thing that's happened here,
• 43:56
  Speaker 17: Peter where in the last couple of years. It's one
• 43:58
  Speaker 17: thing being angry about Israel's policies, but I'm not sure
• 44:02
  Speaker 17: we've done a great job, certainly in the Islamic community
• 44:04
  Speaker 17: of separating Jews and Israel, and I think the government
• 44:08
  Speaker 17: has played fairly a poor role in that as well.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Let's go to some comments I played a little bit
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: before from an interview I did in February this year
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: at the top of the program, but I want to
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: play some other comments from these academics out of the UAE,
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: because I think they're really pertinent about the way in
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: which Australia allow things to fester.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: Have a listen, just.
• 44:31
  Speaker 16: A quick point, because I know you've been to Australia
• 44:33
  Speaker 16: and you saw we were talking in the break, you
• 44:36
  Speaker 16: saw what happened on the steps of the Opera House
• 44:39
  Speaker 16: just within twenty four hours of October seven.
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: What was your reaction to those pro Palestinian.
• 44:46
  Speaker 10: Mobs sen Australia. Provide them with the right to leave
• 44:51
  Speaker 10: in Australia and citizenship, and in response, you celebrate the
• 44:57
  Speaker 10: new holocausts new form of holocaust Southern of October was
• 45:01
  Speaker 10: a test to humanity. Instead of caring about their own
• 45:04
  Speaker 10: people and Australia and the country and the future, they
• 45:07
  Speaker 10: were celebrating Hamas murdering babies, kidnapping eight month years old baby.
• 45:11
  Speaker 10: There's no cause can justify kidnapping baby.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: Cafe everything.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Tan bea there's been a not Australian. But they're looking
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: at Australia and they are giving us very strong statements
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: about what has gone on and why it is wrong.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: Why aren't we hearing that from the Australian Muslim community
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: with such clarity.
• 45:36
  Speaker 17: Well we need to, don't we. I mean, look, Peter,
• 45:38
  Speaker 17: we should say for the most pick, we have been
• 45:40
  Speaker 17: more successful because we have the skilled migration. Most people
• 45:43
  Speaker 17: do integrate better here. So in many respects, our immigration
• 45:46
  Speaker 17: policy has been more successful than Britain. And I think
• 45:49
  Speaker 17: even with the Islamic community, a lot of work's gone on,
• 45:52
  Speaker 17: I think post September eleventh and there's been a lot
• 45:55
  Speaker 17: of success. But I still think anti Semitism is something
• 45:58
  Speaker 17: of an elephant in the room. That's anaria that there's
• 46:00
  Speaker 17: still been a lot of denial and you raise some
• 46:03
  Speaker 17: of these hate preachers and finally the PM's doing something.
• 46:07
  Speaker 17: I think that's sometimes seen as a kind of a
• 46:09
  Speaker 17: novelty or something a bit silly, and they're seen as clowns,
• 46:13
  Speaker 17: which on one level is understandable, but they're not necessarily
• 46:15
  Speaker 17: seen as dangerous or something to be utterly not to
• 46:20
  Speaker 17: be tolerated in the Muslim community. And I think that's
• 46:23
  Speaker 17: a real thing that's necessary. One way of seeing these
• 46:25
  Speaker 17: hate preachers, Peter is they're almost like gateway drugs. It's
• 46:29
  Speaker 17: rare that they're the absolute direct contributor, but people, some
• 46:33
  Speaker 17: young men to them. They're almost like the Andrew Tate
• 46:36
  Speaker 17: type character. It's like a muscular kind of type of
• 46:39
  Speaker 17: Islam for the young man struggling to find a place
• 46:41
  Speaker 17: in life. But then they go from that potentially to
• 46:45
  Speaker 17: the online recesses where you might find Islamic State and
• 46:49
  Speaker 17: these kinds of really murderous, really dangerous things. That's where
• 46:53
  Speaker 17: I think it hasn't been elevated to the level of threat,
• 46:56
  Speaker 17: both within the Islamic community and in turn in government.
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: Well leave it there, tan Via.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: I wish we're leaving the year on better circumstances, but
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: I thank you for you're analysis. As I say, you're
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: a psychiatrist as well as a great thinker.
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: Thank you for joining me tonight before we go.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: This is I said, my final program for the year,
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: and what a year it has been. We've had those elections,
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: We've had a lot of big events internationally. We've had
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: some good things happen here at home, of course we
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: had have and then of course we've had events of
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: great tragedy, and none more horrific than what happened last
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: Sunday on that beach in Bondai.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: Now, I can't do.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: This show without my wonderful team. I want to use
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: this moment tonight to thank them. They're all blokes. They're
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: amazing blokes. Connor, Aaron, and Andrew. You are the best,
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: the most hard working, the most patient, the most meticulous
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: of producers. I want to thank you all to the
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: management team here at Sky, our CEO, Paul Whittaker, the
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: head of Programs, Mark is wonderful. Deputy James, you have
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: had my back all year. You know when I want
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: to go hard on an issue, you never say no,
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: you just say let's just get it through legal and
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: you support everything I do.
• 48:00
  Speaker 9: Thank you.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: I know my viewers acknowledge that, but I want to
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: thank you publicly as well. But my viewers, you are
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: the most important. You are my loyal Kredlin army. You're
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: in the cities, I know you're in the regional areas,
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: and by God, you're in those small country towns.
• 48:13
  Speaker 7: Thank you.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Thank you. You are me up with facts. You send
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: me shrewd political insights. You never let me miss a thing.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: I know you care deeply about our nation and its future.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: Thank you. I have a special research queen. She knows
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: who she is.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Again again, I am indebted to you for your wives
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: counsel and your critical analysis.
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: As we move into the Christmas.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: Season next week, I want to wish you all a
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: happy and a holy Christmas. If you haven't been to
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: church for a while, if you haven't gone to the carols,
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: get out there and join in and be proud of
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: your faith. If you haven't been to a synagogue, maybe
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: this is the year to change that as well. You're
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: proud of our values in Australia, be proud of what
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: has built this country. Let's hope all of us renewed
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: over the summer to comeback and fight for what we
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: love as if our lives depend on it. Because, as
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: we have seen, fighting for our Judeo Christian foundations that
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: have built this country, for our values, for what we
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: hold here, is now that serious thank you for everything,
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: see you next year.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: That's it for me. He's Andrew