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Speaker 1: Peter Kredland live on Sky News Australia. Bring on the
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Speaker 1: Grand Final. I say it is the best time of year.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. I'm Caler Bond filling in for
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Speaker 1: Peter tonight. He's what's coming up on Credline. Andrew Hasty
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Speaker 1: ignites a storm over migration, claiming some Australians are beginning
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Speaker 1: to feel like strangers in.
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Speaker 2: Their own country.
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Speaker 1: And meanwhile he tries to hose down speculation he wants
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Speaker 1: the Liberal leadership. Shadow Defense Minister Angus Taylor will join
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Speaker 1: you later. Plus the extraordinary amount of foreign money spent
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Speaker 1: advocating against coal power in favor of renewables in Australia.
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Speaker 1: The Mayor of London responds to these scathing criticisms delivered
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Speaker 1: during Donald Trump's United Nations Address.
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Speaker 2: Including that the city is moving towards.
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Speaker 1: Sharia law and the Prime Minister could be on a
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Speaker 1: collision course with the US President after ramping up his
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Speaker 1: climate crusade in New York.
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Speaker 3: We all grasp the scale and the urgency about task.
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Speaker 3: We all underst stand the consequences of inaction for our environment,
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Speaker 3: for our economies, for our people's way of life, and
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Speaker 3: for our children's future.
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Speaker 1: Well, the liberal side show rolls on speculation. Of course,
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Speaker 1: mounts as to whether the frontbencher Andrew Hasty wants to
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Speaker 1: have a go at the leadership just months after Susan
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Speaker 1: Lee was installed. Well, Hasty did his best to hose
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Speaker 1: that down this morning. He managed to do what just
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Speaker 1: inter Nampachin for Price couldn't and give his support to
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Speaker 1: his leader.
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Speaker 4: Look, I support Susan Anyone who's speculating otherwise is being mischievous.
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Speaker 4: My main concern is that the center right is fragmenting.
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Speaker 5: We've seen the rise.
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Speaker 4: In the one nation vote and other micro parties, and
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Speaker 4: having us fragmented on the right is very strategically advantageous
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Speaker 4: for labor and so ho'n simply saying what people out
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Speaker 4: on the street are looking for in political leadership.
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Speaker 1: He's talking there to Mark Levy on two GB, and
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Speaker 1: I'll come back to his comments in a moment about
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Speaker 1: the right fragmenting, because he's certainly not wrong about that.
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Speaker 1: But Levy also asked him whether Susan Lee had spoken
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Speaker 1: to him about his recent comments on policy, including car
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Speaker 1: manufacturing in zero.
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Speaker 4: Look by answering that question, and I'm not being tricky,
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Speaker 4: but I just don't want to start a whole bunch
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Speaker 4: of speculations. So my conversations with the leader of Private
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Speaker 4: I want to respect that.
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Speaker 2: Well.
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Speaker 1: He says he doesn't want to be tricky, but I'm
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Speaker 1: going to mark that up as a tricky and non answer.
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Speaker 2: Basically.
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Speaker 1: I mean, if he'd spoken to Lee, he could simply
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Speaker 1: have said yes and then brought that answer out if
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Speaker 1: he was probed about the contents of the conversation.
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Speaker 2: So whether or not they've spoken, well, who knows.
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Speaker 1: Now, Look, he's done his best there, but this isn't
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Speaker 1: going to stop speculation that Hasty is interested in the leadership.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 1: It's easy to want to see things in black and white,
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Speaker 1: but in politics, as in life, the reality is somewhere
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Speaker 1: in the shades of gray, or maybe in this case,
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Speaker 1: the shades of blue. Now, for his part, former Liberal
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Speaker 1: Minister Arthur Sida Denis told the ABC this morning that
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Speaker 1: people like Hasty and Nampagin for Price, need to forget
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Speaker 1: about the culture wars.
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Speaker 6: There's been too much focus on the culture wars and
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Speaker 6: not enough focus on the bread and butter issues that
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Speaker 6: impact Australians. And you know, the Liberal Party should understand that.
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Speaker 6: You know, Australia is very much a centrist country. It's
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Speaker 6: not labor light to be towards the center. If you
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Speaker 6: go towards the center, you're seeking to maximize your vote.
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Speaker 6: You will not find that poultice of votes out on
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Speaker 6: the extreme right. It doesn't exist.
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Speaker 1: Now he said they're extreme right. What exactly does he
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Speaker 1: mean by extreme right? What exactly does he mean by
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Speaker 1: these culture wars instead of bread and butter issues, Because
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Speaker 1: by and large the things I've seen Hasty and Code
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Speaker 1: talking about are bread and butter issues, or at least
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Speaker 1: they're heavily linked to bread and butter issues. Migration it's zero.
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Speaker 1: I mean on migration, it should be an obvious winner
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Speaker 1: for the Coalition.
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Speaker 2: We saw polling just.
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Speaker 1: Last week saying that half the country thinks migration is
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Speaker 1: too high and only five percent think it's not enough.
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Speaker 1: That's an issue that's clearly linked to the cost of living,
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Speaker 1: which is about as bread and butter. As bread and
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Speaker 1: butter gets and likewise need zero. Now, I get that's
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Speaker 1: a harder one for the Coalition to prosecute, particularly in
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Speaker 1: the face of teal seats etc. But it is still
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Speaker 1: inextricably linked to the cost of living. And it's up
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Speaker 1: to those talking about zero to make that link and
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Speaker 1: make that argument convincingly. I don't think Hasty your Senator
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Speaker 1: Price have been trying to engage in culture wars. I
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Speaker 1: think they've been voicing pretty mainstream views on migration and
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Speaker 1: other matters. That's not extreme right now, I just want
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Speaker 1: to go back to Hasti's leadership ambition or religid lack
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Speaker 1: thereof for a moment politics. Perception is reality, and I
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Speaker 1: will say he does himself no favors, calling his colleagues
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Speaker 1: muppets and cowards, as he did this week after anonymous
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Speaker 1: Liberal sources were quoted in The Australian questioning who was
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Speaker 1: influencing him and potentially paying to produce social media content
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Speaker 1: for him. Sometimes, and I struggle with this too as
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Speaker 1: someone in the public eye who cops criticism. But sometimes
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Speaker 1: it's better to maintain a dignified silence or to simply
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Speaker 1: laugh at these people. But as I said, perception is reality,
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Speaker 1: and the perception at the moment is that Hasty is
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Speaker 1: positioning himself for the leadership, something that he's publicly acknowledged
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Speaker 1: he is interested in at some point because he's saying
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Speaker 1: more and getting more coverage than his leader, Susan Lee.
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Speaker 1: And on the matter of leadership, I'd say to Hasey
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Speaker 1: that now is not the time. You don't want to
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Speaker 1: get burnt too early, particularly when you're dealing with a
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Speaker 1: government that has such a commanding majority. But does all
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Speaker 1: this mean that Hasty is positioning himself for the leadership
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Speaker 1: or is it simply that in the absence of anything else,
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Speaker 1: it's just about the only person in the coalition that
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Speaker 1: the media have to report on. Cinnadinus is right on
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Speaker 1: one thing, which is that the coalition needs to come
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Speaker 1: up with some cohesive policies.
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Speaker 6: Well, if you want to have an effective opposition, you
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Speaker 6: have to be united, you have to speak with one voice.
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Speaker 6: What all these people should be doing on the front
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Speaker 6: bench on the back bench of the Liberal Party at
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Speaker 6: the moment is putting their heads down and getting on
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Speaker 6: with coming up with specific policies and keeping the government
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Speaker 6: to account.
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Speaker 1: Now, this is the real problem. He's right, they should
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Speaker 1: be coming up with specific policies and holding the government
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Speaker 1: to account. But it's simply not happening. And so what
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Speaker 1: they all just meant to sit idly by in the
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Speaker 1: meantime and watch labor increase their lead in the polls
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Speaker 1: without saying anything. And you can argue the toss over
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Speaker 1: whether you think Hasty is saying the right things. By large,
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Speaker 1: I think he probably is. But if you're not giving
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Speaker 1: him and others a comprehensive policy platform to sell, then
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Speaker 1: what do you expect them to do. When Lee became
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Speaker 1: opposition leader, she said everything was on the table.
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Speaker 2: All policies are up for review.
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Speaker 1: Well we're a tick over four months later and there's
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Speaker 1: no side of any results from that review and it
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Speaker 1: doesn't seem like there will be any time soon. Just
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Speaker 1: last week, Lee spoke at the Committee for Economic Development
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Speaker 1: of Australia and she said, quote, as we look to
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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty eight election, the Coalition will present Australians
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Speaker 1: with a positive plan to restore sound finances without losing
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Speaker 1: sight of our compassion or our dynamism. As we look
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Speaker 1: at the twenty twenty eight election just three years away,
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Speaker 1: she went on, as we have been clear our policies
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Speaker 1: are under review and we are undergoing a process of
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Speaker 1: listening to the Australian people, meeting them where they are.
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Speaker 1: While we'll work on this foundation through the term. I
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Speaker 1: can say if we were in government today, our economic
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Speaker 1: and fiscals strategy would be clear, I.
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Speaker 2: Mean faired income.
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Speaker 1: I get that you put big policies out before an election,
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Speaker 1: but you can't just sit around for three years building
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Speaker 1: your foundation and then hope that they'll work out what
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Speaker 1: you're on about in the four weeks leading up to
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Speaker 1: election day. You'd think they'd have learned that lesson from
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Speaker 1: the last election. Now, every now and again Lee has
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Speaker 1: come out with something decent, including in that speech where
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Speaker 1: she said we need to reduce our alliance on the government,
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Speaker 1: but there's no solid policy platform to speak of. So
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Speaker 1: when you have people like Andrew Hasty coming out and
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Speaker 1: directly addressing matters of policy and what the Liberal Party
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Speaker 1: ought to adopt, then of course he's going to get
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Speaker 1: media coverage, and in the absence of the leaders saying
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Speaker 1: things and setting policy, then it'll lead to speculation that
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Speaker 1: he wants the leadership. Former Liberal Senator Holly Hughes said
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Speaker 1: to me on the Late Debate the other night that
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Speaker 1: she gave them at least five fully costed policies before
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Speaker 1: the last election, and they'd be married at others in
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Speaker 1: the bottom drawer, So why don't they pull some of
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Speaker 1: them out and start talking about something original, making themselves
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Speaker 1: look like a proper alternative that can hold the government
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Speaker 1: to account. And I hear people saying, give Susan Lee
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Speaker 1: a go, and sure she deserves a go, but I
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Speaker 1: think she's getting a go and she's not doing much
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Speaker 1: with it at the moment. I mean, Lee could fix
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Speaker 1: all of this up by giving the Liberal Party a
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Speaker 1: policy platform, something to believe in, and yeah, they'll have
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Speaker 1: internal fights over putting that together as well.
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Speaker 2: They should.
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Speaker 1: Scrutiny and debate is a good thing, but that should
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Speaker 1: be happening as a matter of urgency, because you can't
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Speaker 1: just expect people to sit idle in the meantime. Andrew
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Speaker 1: Hasty is talking about policy because the party isn't talking
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Speaker 1: about policy.
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Speaker 2: If you're not happy with.
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Speaker 1: What Andrew Hasty is saying, you've got to give him
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Speaker 1: something else to talk about, and.
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Speaker 2: They're just not doing it.
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Speaker 1: Ridiculous that this early end of the term we're even
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Speaker 1: talking about someone else having leadership ambitions. But vacuums always
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Speaker 1: get filled, whether deliberately or inadvertently, and at the moment
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Speaker 1: there is a very obvious vacuum personally along with the
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Speaker 1: party can and.
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Speaker 2: Should put that to bed. Let's head to Camber now.
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Speaker 1: I for tonight's political headlines with Scarane News political reporter
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Speaker 1: Trudy Macintosh.
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Speaker 7: Outside Australia's most iconic building, Tony Burke makes the case
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Speaker 7: for migration.
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Speaker 8: I like modern Australia, like I really like our country.
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Speaker 8: I see so much strength in what so many people
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Speaker 8: from around the world have brought here.
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Speaker 7: So the Home Affairs Minister questions whether he's liberal shadow
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Speaker 7: Andrew Hasty feels the same way.
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Speaker 8: Mister Hasty, one needs to decide whether he's whether he's
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Speaker 8: happy with modern Australia or not.
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Speaker 7: Andrew Hasty wants big cuts to net overseas migration, declaring
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Speaker 7: on his Instagram that Australians are starting to feel like
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Speaker 7: strangers in their own home.
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Speaker 8: But if he wants to make cuts further, he needs
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Speaker 8: to say where. Can he nominate which age care sentence
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Speaker 8: he believes you close because without immigration we don't keep
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Speaker 8: them open. Can you nominate which childcare centers he wants
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Speaker 8: to close?
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Speaker 7: Mister Hasty fired back. Tony Burke is the minister presiding
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Speaker 7: over uncontrolled immigration in Australia. What is his plan for
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Speaker 7: reducing migration? Numbers or does he take orders from big
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Speaker 7: business and the universities. My bet is that he will
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Speaker 7: put Australian's last.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 9: I think you can be absolutely pro migrant and still
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Speaker 9: have issues with high immigration.
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Speaker 8: The numbers have been coming down, but we're making sure
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Speaker 8: that the system is tailored to meet the needs of Australia.
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Speaker 10: It's cheeky for Tony Burke to come back and say, well,
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Speaker 10: which visa classes are you going to act? Well, Tony,
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Speaker 10: where's the houses? How are you building the houses? Have
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Speaker 10: you built enough?
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Speaker 2: You have it?
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Speaker 7: Despite publicly and repeatedly declaring his future leadership aspirations, Andrew
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Speaker 7: Hasty and sis speculation on a leadership challenge is mischievous.
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Speaker 5: Look, I support Susan.
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Speaker 7: But he's warning the Coalition risks dying as a political
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Speaker 7: movement if it doesn't crack down on migration and ditch
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Speaker 7: net zero.
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Speaker 4: I think unless we get our act together, we're going
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Speaker 4: to be potentially in further decline and perhaps one day extinct.
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Speaker 7: Truy McIntosh Sky News canbra.
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Speaker 1: Let's get into some of the news of the day.
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Speaker 1: Joining me now journalist at The Daily Telegraph. James Willison
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Speaker 1: Sky News contributor Caroly Kats and Barness you both heard.
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Speaker 1: They're the back and forth over Andrew Hasty's comments on migration.
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Speaker 1: You've got Tony Burke jumping up and down. You know,
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Speaker 1: Hasty's backwards and all this business. But he's basically said
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Speaker 1: exactly the same thing as the UK Prime Minister Seka
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Speaker 1: Starmacid back in may take a.
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Speaker 11: Look now in a diverse nation like ours, and I
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Speaker 11: celebrate that these rules become even more Without them, we
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Speaker 11: risk becoming an island of strangers. So yes, I believe
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Speaker 11: in this. I believe we need to reduce immigration significantly.
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Speaker 2: So there you go, James.
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Speaker 1: When a labor leader says it in the UK, you know,
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Speaker 1: we don't have people jumping up and down saying, oh.
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Speaker 2: Jesus is terribly racist and whatever.
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Speaker 1: But Andrew Hasty comes out and says we risk becoming
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Speaker 1: strangers in our own country, echoing the words of a
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Speaker 1: labor leader, and all of a sudden he's backwards.
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Speaker 5: That's right, Caliban.
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Speaker 12: You've heard these comments and these beliefs from people like
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Speaker 12: Dick Smith for a long period of time as well,
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Speaker 12: who have worn that without sensible caps. And we're not
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Speaker 12: talking about scrapping it all together, and I think we
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Speaker 12: can have this argument without criticizing any migrants that have
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Speaker 12: come to Australia already.
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Speaker 5: I'm sort of the view we need to be looking
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Speaker 5: forward here.
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Speaker 12: There was a period after COVID when we actually needed migration,
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Speaker 12: but we're now at a point where we should be
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Speaker 12: looking after Australians and upskilling Australians and finding jobs for
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Speaker 12: the one million Australians that don't have jobs at the
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Speaker 12: moment through Job seeker and youth allowance. So we can
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Speaker 12: have that argument moving forward to have sensible caps that
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Speaker 12: are permanent caps and are largely focused on skilled workers.
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Speaker 12: And we're talking about highly skilled workers with degrees. Now
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Speaker 12: if you actually where the argument lies here, and I
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Speaker 12: can't believe there's members of the Liberal Party that are
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Speaker 12: actually talking about, you know, sort of trying to cuddle
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Speaker 12: up with labor with this.
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Speaker 5: We need to have a really serious debate about.
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Speaker 12: When people are coming to this country as migrants, what
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Speaker 12: are they coming for. Are they skilled workers and are
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Speaker 12: their shortages in those fields?
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Speaker 13: Then?
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Speaker 12: Absolutely, But the problem is that there's a lot of
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Speaker 12: workers that you know, purport to be skilled, but are
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Speaker 12: actually just baristas or jobs that should be filled by Australians.
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Speaker 12: Now Tony Burk's talking there about Oh, well, what age
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Speaker 12: care homes you want to close, what childcare centers do
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Speaker 12: you want to close? Well, I'm sorry, but Australians could
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Speaker 12: in the future be doing those jobs. We have the
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Speaker 12: people available here, we should be prioritizing those. There is
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Speaker 12: a very sensible debate to be had in this space,
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Speaker 12: and unfortunately the Liberal Party can't get their act together
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Speaker 12: and Labor clearly is really not interested in doing anything
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Speaker 12: about it.
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Speaker 1: And I think the point that Hasty raises Caroll's affair one,
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Speaker 1: you know, he says that the Liberals might die as
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Speaker 1: a political movement. And as I said before, the polling
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Speaker 1: shows half the country thinks that migration is too high.
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Speaker 1: This is such an obvious thing to have a point
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Speaker 1: of difference with the government on that. They should have
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Speaker 1: no shame about saying, yes, that migration is too high.
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Speaker 1: We need to do something about it, and we need
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Speaker 1: to do something about the phase of our country.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, good evening, Caleb and James and all the viewers. Look,
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Speaker 14: the one thing is Tony Burke is a very shrewd
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Speaker 14: political operative. He is the head kicker of the government.
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Speaker 14: He may make those comments about twenty first century Australia,
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Speaker 14: but the bottom line is he never condemned oct Over
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Speaker 14: the seventh he took a very opportunistic photo op at
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Speaker 14: an East Melbourne synagogue. And also if a month or
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Speaker 14: two ago he's quite happy in the twenty first century
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Speaker 14: seeing one hundred thousand Australians marching across the Sydney Harbor
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Speaker 14: Bridge essentially in support of Hamas and the Palestinian authority
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Speaker 14: with all those flags flying for Hammas and also al Qaeda.
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Speaker 14: If that's the twenty first century that he wants Australia
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Speaker 14: to be, that's alarming because that is a throwback to
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Speaker 14: the fifteenth century. Andrew Hasty used clumsy language, but it
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Speaker 14: also highlights exactly what both you and James have said.
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Speaker 14: The Liberal opposition they need a head kicker to go
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Speaker 14: back and actually support Andrew Hasty, and they need to
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Speaker 14: actually get back to some of those policies because if
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Speaker 14: they don't actually map out what the opposition is now
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Speaker 14: standing for, people will just drift off. Can I also
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Speaker 14: say where is Susan Lee on this as well?
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Speaker 2: One support she come out today?
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Speaker 1: That is the point if the leader would saying things
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Speaker 1: and there was a policy platform, it wouldn't fall to
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Speaker 1: someone like Andreasi. They can fix all of this struggle
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Speaker 1: very quickly if.
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Speaker 2: They want to.
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Speaker 1: Now, James, the Sydney seat of Bradfield has finally been
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Speaker 1: decided because the Liberal candidate Gazelle Capteririan has abandoned her
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Speaker 1: court challenge over the very slim loss to Teal Nicolette. Sorry, boell,
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Speaker 1: now she's Buller. Sorry I should say now she is
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Speaker 1: an MP is now who told a young female hairdresser
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Speaker 1: the dor hairwash was so good and I didn't even
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Speaker 1: need to have sex with you quote unquote.
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Speaker 2: So there you go. It's all over.
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Speaker 1: I don't know why, James, the Libs bothered trying to
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Speaker 1: challenge this in the first place.
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Speaker 2: It was never gonna fly.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, it was quite a stupid thing to do in
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Speaker 12: the end, Caleb, and I think even though there is
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Speaker 12: a legal process here, I kind of thought that as
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Speaker 12: the weeks went on, Gisel Capterian wasn't doing anyone any
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Speaker 12: favors by not conceding until today, even though Nicolette Buller
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Speaker 12: at every opportunity after the post. You know, once things
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Speaker 12: were actually counted properly had been declared the winner. I mean,
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Speaker 12: there's a couple of interesting things on this. Firstly, just
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Speaker 12: like a couple of other Sydney seats on the you know,
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Speaker 12: sort of affluent areas, Bradfield had never ever ever been
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Speaker 12: lost by the Liberal Party before. This is officially the
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Speaker 12: first time. It is another climate two hundred MP and
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Speaker 12: critically the thing that I think is fascinating all this,
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Speaker 12: As we know, Susan Lee won the leadership contests over
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Speaker 12: Angus Taylor by a handful of votes as we understand it. Well,
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Speaker 12: one of those votes, I'm sure I'm right in saying
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Speaker 12: was Giselle Capterian, who was initially part of the party room,
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Speaker 12: was given a shadow portfolio and then ultimately has since
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Speaker 12: they're not been part of Canberra and she won't be
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Speaker 12: the MP.
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Speaker 5: So that's one.
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Speaker 12: Fewer vote for Susan Lee and that makes the race
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Speaker 12: very very interesting when you start to consider, as you
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Speaker 12: said off the top, what is happening with Angus Taylor
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Speaker 12: and others. It's very very tight.
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Speaker 1: It's astute observation, James, I must have a look at
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Speaker 1: that very quickly, Carrily before we go.
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Speaker 2: Now we know crime is bad in Victoria.
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Speaker 1: It's a bit like saying sky is blue, isn't it?
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Speaker 1: But new stats out today Victoria has had its worst
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Speaker 1: crime surge on record, a sixteen percent increase in overall
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Speaker 1: crime offenses in the year of June. But what's particularly
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Speaker 1: worrying is it's been driven largely by a group of kids,
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Speaker 1: around one one hundred repeat youth offenders, responsible for more
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Speaker 1: than sixty percent of home invasions, half of aggravated burglaries,
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Speaker 1: a fifth of car thefts, and they've been arrested a
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Speaker 1: total of seven thousand times. So that's an average of
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Speaker 1: six times for every kid. It is just out of
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Speaker 1: control in Victoria, Carrallly, where you are.
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Speaker 2: It sure is.
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Speaker 14: And on the day that the worst crime statistics were
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Speaker 14: released in Victoria, the Premieristiner Alan decided to tweet about
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Speaker 14: getting a barn me in Footscray great and so that
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Speaker 14: shows that where her priorities are great. Nothing to see here.
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Speaker 14: I mean, as you right, you said. Aggradid burglaries are
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Speaker 14: up twenty four percent, car theft's forty two percent, retail
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Speaker 14: theft twenty eight percent, and it's these eleven hundred young offenders,
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Speaker 14: many of whom the police actually know by name, that
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Speaker 14: there are no consequences for their actions in Victoria. We've
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Speaker 14: seen that machete van. It has no effect. Victorians are
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Speaker 14: fed up of this crime. The state election is next year.
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Speaker 14: The Liberal need opposition needs to go even harder. But
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Speaker 14: I must admit that tweet from the Premiergistin to Allen
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Speaker 14: just shows if she doesn't see that as a priority.
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Speaker 14: What hope to innocent Victorians have that are just trying
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Speaker 14: to make it through each day.
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Speaker 1: Well, she's hoping you can have your barn me and
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Speaker 1: eat it too, and chances actually probably will. James carely,
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Speaker 1: thank you very much for your time now doing some
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Speaker 1: Mexell work.
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Speaker 2: This bloke, Jared Holland.
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Speaker 1: Is the executive director at the Page Research Center and
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Speaker 1: they've made an extraordinary submission to the Select Committee on
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Speaker 1: Information Integrity on climate change and energy.
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Speaker 2: According to their research, one.
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Speaker 1: Hundred and eight million dollars that's Australian dollars worth of
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Speaker 1: foreign money has been spent over the last ten years.
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Speaker 1: That's just a snap shot too, not an exhaustive assessment
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Speaker 1: on advocating against coal and four renewables effectively, foreign interference
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Speaker 1: in our energy system and outfits in Australia dedicated to
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Speaker 1: ending coal have had a combined revenue of one hundred
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Speaker 1: and seventy million in the twenty twenty three to twenty
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Speaker 1: four financial year. And let me tell you this is
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Speaker 1: just one aspect of what is a fairly scathing assessment,
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Speaker 1: all forty four odd pages of it. Well, I'm pleased
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Speaker 1: to say the page. Research Center's executive director, Jared Holland
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Speaker 1: joins me, Now, a great work by your organization. Extraordinary
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Speaker 1: to think just how much money is flowing in from overseas.
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Speaker 5: Why, Well, it's a very simple reason.
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Speaker 15: It's to distort and to manipulate our energy debate in
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Speaker 15: Australia and to advocate for a radical transition towards renewable energy.
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Speaker 15: As part of this submission, we were able to obtain
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Speaker 15: a strategy document that dates back to twenty eleven which
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Speaker 15: was essentially set out the entire strategy and funding proposal
22:03
Speaker 15: of these collection of third party organizations and charities and
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Speaker 15: others of how they were going to dismantle the hole
22:10
Speaker 15: that cole had in our economy, in our energy system,
22:13
Speaker 15: and in the.
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Speaker 5: Court of course, our broader kind of public acceptance.
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Speaker 15: And then use that to then completely shut down the
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Speaker 15: social license that these technology has and they've been enormously
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Speaker 15: successful in doing this. As you just mentioned, they've had
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Speaker 15: over one hundred and seventy million into the debate just
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Speaker 15: in the financial year twenty three to twenty four. This
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Speaker 15: is more than Labor and the Liberals spent in the
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Speaker 15: last election combined. So this is an enormous amount of cash,
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Speaker 15: completely unprecedented lobbying in Australia, and one hundred million of it,
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Speaker 15: as we've been able to trace, is coming from overseas.
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Speaker 1: And of course there is a lot of money to
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Speaker 1: be made in the renewable sector, so it's no surprise
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Speaker 1: that if you've got interest in it, you would do
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Speaker 1: everything you can to try and boost your chances of
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Speaker 1: making a back. We know a lot of the infrastructure
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Speaker 1: in terms of solar panels etc. Comes out of China.
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Speaker 1: Do we know where this money is coming from?
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Speaker 5: The truth is, Caleb, we don't.
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Speaker 15: So what we've been able to trace was literally Breadcumb's
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Speaker 15: bread crumps of going on to philanthropic organizations, high net
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Speaker 15: worth donors that we think might be in this space,
23:16
Speaker 15: looking for a press release here, a media grab here,
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Speaker 15: a financial report here, And this is how we were
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Speaker 15: able to put together this quite comprehensive analysis that pulls
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Speaker 15: together the one hundred million dollar figure that you mentioned.
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Speaker 15: But most of this information was found on overseas sites,
23:30
Speaker 15: It was found on overseas registers, and very little of
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Speaker 15: it actually came from Australian sources. So we actually don't
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Speaker 15: know how much foreign money is flashing around in this
23:38
Speaker 15: debate that I managed is much much higher than what
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Speaker 15: we've been able to find.
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Speaker 1: I mean, if there's foreign money coming in to advocate
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Speaker 1: for something that is fundamentally a domestic issue and a
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Speaker 1: real issue of domestic security, should the people taking that
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Speaker 1: money not be compelled to tell us where it's coming from?
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Speaker 5: Well, I mean doesn't really pass the pub test, does
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Speaker 5: it look.
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Speaker 15: I want to be really clear, and in our submission,
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Speaker 15: we're not making any accusations of any organizations that have
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Speaker 15: done anything illegal. They are well within the guidelines as
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Speaker 15: set out by the AEC and our electoral kind of
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Speaker 15: rules and framework.
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Speaker 5: But it is dark money.
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Speaker 15: It's not traceable because these are third party organizations, they
24:18
Speaker 15: don't go through the same kind of scrutiny that an
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Speaker 15: associated identity with the political party would go through. And
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Speaker 15: this is why it's untaggable, it's untraceable, and this is
24:25
Speaker 15: why we actually don't know the full extent to how
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Speaker 15: much money is a wash in Australia at the moment, campaigning,
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Speaker 15: obstructing projects, funding legal campaigns, propping up candidates potentially that
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Speaker 15: has come from overseas sources.
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Speaker 2: Have you had any reaction to this research yet?
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Speaker 1: I mean, I would have thought this should be of
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Speaker 1: great concern to anyone who takes a look at it.
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Speaker 5: So it's still fairly fresh.
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Speaker 15: So we made the submission on the committee deadline a
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Speaker 15: couple of weeks ago and it was only made public
24:53
Speaker 15: on their website yesterday. So I encourage your viewers to
24:57
Speaker 15: go and check it out in full, all forty four
24:59
Speaker 15: pages of its glory. Go into quite my new detail
25:01
Speaker 15: unpacking some of the biggest myths and disinformation in the
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Speaker 15: energy debate at the moment, particularly around the claim that
25:07
Speaker 15: renewable energy is the cheapest form of electricity. It's not
25:10
Speaker 15: by a long shot coal firepower, especially when you're looking
25:14
Speaker 15: at refurbished units or units on brown field sites.
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Speaker 5: It's two to two and a half times cheaper.
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Speaker 15: And we go into that detail. We go into the
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Speaker 15: detail naming all these different organizations. We able to trace
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Speaker 15: some of where this funding has come from overseas. We're
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Speaker 15: able to put forward that strategy document that I mentioned earlier.
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Speaker 15: So it's Subbision one Ford. You go check it out,
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Speaker 15: and I would encourage if your readers do find it interesting,
25:35
Speaker 15: your viewers, sorry, do find it interesting. Do find this
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Speaker 15: an important intervention that they raise the alarm, they raise
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Speaker 15: the word and at the end of the day light
25:42
Speaker 15: is the grows disinfectant in order to kick some of
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Speaker 15: his nonsense out.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, indeed, and we should be worried about it because,
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Speaker 1: as I said before, it is fundamentally an issue of
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Speaker 1: domestic security. And if you have foreign actors getting involved
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Speaker 1: and advocating for their own benefit, well it's not for ours,
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Speaker 1: is it. Jared, thank you for your time, and as
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Speaker 1: he said, go find it, have a read of it
26:02
Speaker 1: for yourself, because it is alarming. After the break, the
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Speaker 1: mayor of London has hit back at scathing criticism from
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump at the UN bus The latest polls in
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Speaker 1: the UK showed there's no stopping Nigel Farage.
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Speaker 2: That's next. Well.
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump's address to the UN was scathing, but his
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Speaker 1: criticism of London's mayors seemed particularly pointed. He called him
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Speaker 1: terrible and said London wanted to move to sharia law.
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Speaker 2: Well, Sadi Khan has hit back.
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Speaker 1: He told British media overn Art that he was living
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Speaker 1: rent free in Donald Trump's head, and he also launched
26:37
Speaker 1: this attack on the US president.
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Speaker 8: I think President Trump has showed he is racist, he
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Speaker 8: is sexist, he is misogynistic, and he's a slobophobic.
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Speaker 1: I love that I might start doing the show on
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Speaker 1: a moving bus. Too great place to do an interview.
26:53
Speaker 1: He to talk us through how it's all gone down.
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Speaker 1: News Corp European correspondent and scar and News contributor Sophie
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Speaker 1: Ill's Worth. Welcome, Sophie. I'm disappointed to see you're not
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Speaker 1: on a moving bus. It makes for a great grab,
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Speaker 1: I have to say. But you know he's called him
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Speaker 1: as I played, the racist, sexist, misogynist stic he's an islamophobe,
27:13
Speaker 1: and you know he's come out all guns are blazing.
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Speaker 2: I suppose returning fire with fire.
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Speaker 16: Great to be with you, Caleb. Look, this feud has
27:23
Speaker 16: been going on for many years. Sadik Khan has been
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Speaker 16: London mayor here since twenty sixteen, and there's no doubt
27:31
Speaker 16: that two men dislike each other very much, but they
27:34
Speaker 16: seem to have this tip for tat in the media
27:37
Speaker 16: where one takes a swipe and the other hits back.
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Speaker 16: And as we know, at the un Donald Trump spoke
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Speaker 16: of Sadik Khan, which is quite interesting in itself that
27:46
Speaker 16: in front of a global audience he's talking about the
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Speaker 16: London mayor. But he's very scathing of the London mayor
27:52
Speaker 16: and he's very critical of what's happening here in London.
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Speaker 16: We do have a lot of issues here at the
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Speaker 16: moment in the UK, particularly in London Caleb with rising crime,
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Speaker 16: lots of phone theft, you know, stabbings and so forth.
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Speaker 16: There's a lot of issues here quite rubby London, I
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Speaker 16: must say, the rubbish.
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Speaker 5: On the streets.
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Speaker 16: There's a lot of criticism about moves that Sadik Khan
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Speaker 16: is making.
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Speaker 5: The other day in Oxford.
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Speaker 16: Street, he decided to close it to traffic and one
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Speaker 16: of the cabby's here was saying to me, that'll be
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Speaker 16: the end of shopping in Oxford Street if they shut
28:27
Speaker 16: it to traffic. So they hate each other, there's no
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Speaker 16: doubt about this, but this has been going on for
28:33
Speaker 16: some time and it looks like it's not going to
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Speaker 16: end anytime soon.
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Speaker 2: Well, this is the thing.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you talk about what it's like in London,
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Speaker 1: you're there. I don't know anyone who hasn't been to
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Speaker 1: London in the last couple of years and not come
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Speaker 1: back and said, you know that the cost of living
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Speaker 1: is completely out of control. There's crime, you know, it's
28:53
Speaker 1: not what it used to be. Is essentially the cry
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Speaker 1: that I hear. I don't know the term cant seems
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Speaker 1: to realize that, or at the very least he just
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Speaker 1: doesn't want to realize it.
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Speaker 16: Well, it was interesting in his remarks yesterday Kayler, because
29:08
Speaker 16: he hit back at Donald Trump and said, well, there's
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Speaker 16: an awful lot of Americans coming to live in London,
29:14
Speaker 16: and there are a lot of people living in London
29:17
Speaker 16: that are not from London. They are not British, myself included.
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Speaker 16: But there's no doubt the city has its issues. It's
29:25
Speaker 16: a magnific, magnificent city. There's so much to off the ear.
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Speaker 16: But you know, when people come and visit, one of
29:31
Speaker 16: the first things I'm telling them is what's your bags?
29:34
Speaker 16: What's your possessions? That the stealing and the theft here
29:38
Speaker 16: is astronomical and as I said, a lot of around the.
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Speaker 5: City it's very dirty and rubby.
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Speaker 16: There are sadly issues here in London that the London
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Speaker 16: Mayor doesn't seem to be on top of, and instead
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Speaker 16: he's having this tip for tat with Donald Trump, which
29:54
Speaker 16: I don't think, mind you, is doing London or the
29:57
Speaker 16: UK any good to have the US President critical and
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Speaker 16: then Sadik Khnt hitting back either.
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Speaker 1: Indeed, and you know it's got other social issues as well.
30:06
Speaker 1: It's got a Muslim population that's double that the average
30:09
Speaker 1: of the United Kingdom, so it has cultural things it
30:12
Speaker 1: has to deal with too. Meanwhile, you've got the latest
30:15
Speaker 1: polling which Chowse Nigel Farage pulling level with Sakir Starmer
30:19
Speaker 1: on who would make the best PM. And I mean
30:22
Speaker 1: it's a dramatic turnaround from the commanding lead that Labor
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Speaker 1: of course won at a general election somewhat fourteen fifteen
30:31
Speaker 1: months ago. The Reform has been ahead in front in
30:37
Speaker 1: every published poll in the UK since May. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it is extraordinary what he's been able to do in
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Speaker 1: a short period of time.
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Speaker 16: Well, it really is, Caleb, and it's amazing to be
30:49
Speaker 16: here on the ground to watch this up and coming,
30:52
Speaker 16: up and coming party really cut through here in the UK. Now,
30:56
Speaker 16: just a couple of months ago, when Britain's were asked
30:59
Speaker 16: which a prime minister do they think would make a
31:02
Speaker 16: better PM which leader, it was Starmer at thirty three
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Speaker 16: percent and Parage at twenty five percent. Now this poll
31:10
Speaker 16: was done again just a few days ago and they
31:12
Speaker 16: are neck and neck at thirty percent.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 16: It's very interesting here because in the British press, Nigel Farrage,
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Speaker 16: there's virtually a week that does not go by where
31:23
Speaker 16: he is not on the front pages of the news
31:25
Speaker 16: talking about his policies, talking about what they are going
31:28
Speaker 16: to do if they get into office. The talk around
31:32
Speaker 16: the Tories and the Conservatives, Caleb, they're almost not in
31:35
Speaker 16: the equation now. Labor are awfully concerned about reform and
31:39
Speaker 16: the impact they are having here in the UK.
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Speaker 1: Indeed, and you know it's because he's honest and he's open,
31:47
Speaker 1: and he's saying what he thinks, which happens to be
31:50
Speaker 1: what a lot of people in Britain think. Finally they're
31:53
Speaker 1: getting someone who says it, it's no surprise they would
31:56
Speaker 1: get behind him.
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Speaker 16: Well, it's remarkable because there's new said. Labor won the
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Speaker 16: election last July in a thumping majority. Now we don't
32:05
Speaker 16: have another election here until twenty twenty nine. However, the
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Speaker 16: concern within the Labor ranks of Nigel Farage, it's so
32:14
Speaker 16: obvious because Keirs Sarma talks about him all the time.
32:17
Speaker 16: The lib DEM's leader talked about him thirty times in
32:20
Speaker 16: his speech at their conference this week. Kenny BAYDENOK hits
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Speaker 16: out on him on Twitter. Really, they're giving him so
32:27
Speaker 16: much oxygen and they're just amplifying his profile here.
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Speaker 5: He is the one.
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Speaker 16: That they are all worried about because he's cutting through
32:35
Speaker 16: with his anti migration stamps and some of his tough
32:39
Speaker 16: tough policies here that the other parties are not saying
32:43
Speaker 16: that they will enforce or they're certainly not doing it.
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Speaker 16: And Labor has failed here in trying to curb the
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Speaker 16: arrival of illegal migrants here in the UK.
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Speaker 1: Indeed, and Trump used exactly the same playabook in terms
32:55
Speaker 1: of publicity. Get everyone else to talk about you. You
32:57
Speaker 1: don't have to buy advertising. It is thoroughly a feat Sophie.
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Speaker 1: Great to see you, thank you for joining me. And
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Speaker 1: I think there's a message for the coalition in that too,
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Speaker 1: get out, start talking about policies. I mean, they're four
33:09
Speaker 1: years away from an election in the UK and he's
33:12
Speaker 1: going hard and it's working. After the break, Anthony Alberanezi
33:15
Speaker 1: sprouted Australia's emissions targets to a global audience. But what
33:19
Speaker 1: do we really have to show? Plus liberal leadership? Speculation
33:22
Speaker 1: continues about Andrew Hasty. Opposition defense spokesman Ameers Taylor joins
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Speaker 1: me next.
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Speaker 4: Now.
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Speaker 1: For the last decade or so, a band of cyclists
33:33
Speaker 1: led by former Prime Minister Tony Abbott, have raised money
33:36
Speaker 1: for charity by riding the back rows between South Australia
33:39
Speaker 1: and Victoria. It's called polypedal you may have heard of.
33:42
Speaker 1: It brings together politicians from across the divide to face
33:45
Speaker 1: some well deserved physical punishment, I must say, but also
33:49
Speaker 1: of course to raise money for good causes will shadow treasure.
33:52
Speaker 1: Angus Taylor is part of the peloton and he joins
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Speaker 1: me now from Burrough in South Australia. Good part of
33:58
Speaker 1: the world. I can see you're in the pub there,
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Speaker 1: Angus as well. That must be providing a couple of beers.
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Speaker 1: It gets you a bit of energy to get a
34:05
Speaker 1: gate on the bike tomorrow.
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Speaker 5: It does it.
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Speaker 17: It helps with the pain from sitting on a bike
34:10
Speaker 17: for one hundred and twenty kilometers today.
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Speaker 5: Calm. Great to be with you.
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Speaker 17: By the way, we're at the Borough Hotel, beautiful town
34:17
Speaker 17: here in rural South Australia. We come from Port Pirie
34:19
Speaker 17: to day. We're riding just under one thousand kilometers over
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Speaker 17: the course of a days and raising money for the
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Speaker 17: Wandering Warriors, which is a fantastic organization that supports our
34:29
Speaker 17: Special Forces veterans as they get out in Sevilian life.
34:34
Speaker 17: And we've had the privilege of writing with a number
34:36
Speaker 17: of our Special Forces serving members but also veterans, and
34:42
Speaker 17: what a fantastic group of people to be riding a
34:44
Speaker 17: bike where they're pretty tough, I should say, callup and
34:46
Speaker 17: we ride pretty hard. So it's spent some solid days
34:49
Speaker 17: in the saddle.
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Speaker 2: Good to hear it. DA.
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Speaker 1: If people want to support Wandering Warriors, where do they go?
34:55
Speaker 5: They go to Polypedal.
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Speaker 17: Just type in Polypedal into your search engine and app
35:00
Speaker 17: will come the options to support this wonderful ride and
35:04
Speaker 17: you can pick your favorite writer. I'd love you to
35:06
Speaker 17: pick me, but you can pick your favorite writer and
35:10
Speaker 17: make a donation, So we really would appreciate any donations
35:14
Speaker 17: to this fantastic cause. One of the things we're helping
35:16
Speaker 17: to do is addressed that some of the demonization that's
35:20
Speaker 17: gone on with our Special Forces soldiers over recent times,
35:24
Speaker 17: and we're really wanting to push.
35:26
Speaker 5: Back on that.
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Speaker 17: They've created a brilliant documentary called Bravery and Betrayal, and
35:31
Speaker 17: I really encourage people to see that if they can,
35:34
Speaker 17: because I think it deals with some of the issues
35:36
Speaker 17: that we've heard about in recent years.
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Speaker 1: Indeed, it's a great cause and it's a great part
35:41
Speaker 1: of the world as well. If you can get out
35:42
Speaker 1: to Red Banks Conservation Park while there to do it,
35:45
Speaker 1: it's a great landscape up in that part of South Australia.
35:48
Speaker 1: On to the serious issues, I want to get your
35:50
Speaker 1: response to Anthony Arbernezi's address at the UN overnight. He's
35:54
Speaker 1: obviously used it to revive Australia's bid for a seat
35:57
Speaker 1: at the table of the Security Council, fair enough, but
36:01
Speaker 1: he's also used it to promote Labour's renewable energy agenda
36:05
Speaker 1: as a global opportunity. It's very different, of course, to
36:09
Speaker 1: what Donald Trump has been talking about We've now got
36:12
Speaker 1: this meeting with Donald Trump. I mean he's there saying
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Speaker 1: how great and virtuous we are, But what about all
36:19
Speaker 1: the other nations?
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Speaker 17: Well, absolutely right, color can I say, I mean, we
36:24
Speaker 17: do support getting a seat on the Security Council. Tony
36:27
Speaker 17: Abbott played a really important role with MHE seventeen in
36:31
Speaker 17: pushing back on Russia through that Security Council seat.
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Speaker 5: And this is one of the positive things that the
36:37
Speaker 5: UN does.
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Speaker 17: Is a lot of things that I think are rightly
36:40
Speaker 17: subjected to criticism, but more generally on omissions, can I
36:45
Speaker 17: say that they have set targets for twenty thirty five
36:49
Speaker 17: that are completely unrealistic. They're not on track to meet
36:52
Speaker 17: their twenty thirty targets. Missions have barely moved since later
36:57
Speaker 17: came to power. I got prices down by ten percent
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Speaker 17: and emissions down by kempissit in my time as Energy Minister,
37:02
Speaker 17: Chris Bowen is nowhere near achieving that prices are up
37:06
Speaker 17: everyone those that emissions have barely moved. Lest people know that,
37:10
Speaker 17: and now they're out sprooking their ambitions to the world. Well,
37:15
Speaker 17: what officially matters in energy policy as outcomes, that's what matters.
37:19
Speaker 17: People want to see lower prices, lower bills. They're not
37:23
Speaker 17: against lower emissions, but they want to see a more
37:26
Speaker 17: affordable energy system. We certainly don't have that for households
37:30
Speaker 17: and small businesses since Labor's come to power.
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Speaker 10: Now.
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Speaker 1: The other thing, of course, that's floating around at the
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Speaker 1: moment is your shadow Home Affairs Minister Andrew Hasty.
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Speaker 2: And you know he hasn't been far from the headlines
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Speaker 2: this week. I think you could.
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Speaker 1: Say yesterday sparked a backlash over warnings around high migration.
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Speaker 1: Tony Burke I showed earlier, has been quick to hit
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Speaker 1: back and he's pressing Labour's buttons on issues, there's no
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Speaker 1: doubt about that. But in doing so, it's ignored did
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Speaker 1: all this speculation about leadership? And Hasty has seen today
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Speaker 1: that he backed Susan Lee and as far as he's concerned,
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Speaker 1: it's the end of the matter, and anyone else who
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Speaker 1: sees otherwise is mischievous. But does it not come across
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Speaker 1: as though he were gunning for the leadership because he's
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Speaker 1: actually saying something and it doesn't seem like there's anyone
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Speaker 1: else with any great policy platform to put forward at
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Speaker 1: the moment in the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 17: Well, I disagree with that final point, Callum, because I
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Speaker 17: am absolutely focused and we as a party are focused
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Speaker 17: on making sure we properly fund our defense forces and
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Speaker 17: that's an area which is.
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Speaker 5: Dear to my heart. No, I'm out with our.
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Speaker 17: Serving offices and veterans this week because we need to
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Speaker 17: make sure we have a properly funded military at a
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Speaker 17: time when we face the most serious risk, the most
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Speaker 17: dangerous environment since the Second World War. We've got a
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Speaker 17: Johnny's Communist Party as militarizing at an unprecedented rate. So
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Speaker 17: it's important we keep and I will keep making the
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Speaker 17: point that that is a commitment we've made. We do
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Speaker 17: have to have a sensible debate about migration in this country.
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Speaker 17: There is no doubt that the level of migration has
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Speaker 17: been too high. Immigration has been too high on Labour's watch.
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Speaker 17: That's relative to their own targets. They've failed to meet
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Speaker 17: their own targets Calp and this is an incredibly important point.
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Speaker 17: We've just seen data come out in the last little
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Speaker 17: while telling us they're not going to meet their targets
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Speaker 17: for migration. Immigration for the last financial year they were
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Speaker 17: well above where they said they were going to be,
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Speaker 17: so they have lost.
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Speaker 5: Control of immigration. It is an important debate.
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Speaker 17: This is a point we made in the last term
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Speaker 17: and will continue to make it in this term as well.
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Speaker 17: And as for Andrew, who's making an important contribution, I
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Speaker 17: have no doubt he will continue to into the future
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Speaker 17: as well.
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Speaker 1: So where's all this talk coming from then about leadership?
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Speaker 1: I mean there is disquiet within the party, isn't there.
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Speaker 17: Well, look you're the commentator, Calyb, so I'll leave that
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Speaker 17: to you. What I think is important is that we
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Speaker 17: focus on the issues that matter to Australians. Energy bills
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Speaker 17: that are too high, labor going down the track of
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Speaker 17: imposing new costs on our energy system, on energy for
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Speaker 17: not just households, but for businesses.
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Speaker 5: And we're going to see businesses leading this country.
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Speaker 17: At a rapid rate if they continue to go down
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Speaker 17: the track of these insane targets that they've said. We
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Speaker 17: need to make sure that we've got an immigration policy
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Speaker 17: in line with our housing policy so we're not driving
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Speaker 17: up the cost of housing for young Australians. We need
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Speaker 17: to make sure we have a properly funded defense force
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Speaker 17: in these country. They are all issues that really matter
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Speaker 17: to Australians and it's crucial that we keep talking about
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Speaker 17: those policies.
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Speaker 1: Of course, you know people are talking about the leadership.
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Speaker 1: The name they're using is Andrew Hasty. No one's mentioning
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Speaker 1: your name, but of course you were the other person
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Speaker 1: hand for the leadership when Susan Lee got it.
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Speaker 2: Are you feeling comfortable.
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Speaker 17: I'm feeling very comfortable because I'm going to continue to
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Speaker 17: focus on the issues that matter to Australians, on getting
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Speaker 17: their energy bills down, I'm making sure that we've got
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Speaker 17: immigration levels in line with the housing that is being
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Speaker 17: built in this country. I'm making sure we've got a
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Speaker 17: defense force that's fit for purpose at this time, Caliban,
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Speaker 17: I think that's what Australians care about, and I'm going
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Speaker 17: to continue talking about those important issues for all Australias.
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Speaker 1: All Right, there you go, angus, Thank you, Go and
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Speaker 1: have a beer for me please After the break, The
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Speaker 1: PM star policy differences are on display ahead of his
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Speaker 1: White House meeting with Donald Trump, but the Ukrainian president
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Speaker 1: issues a dire warning over the.
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Speaker 2: Risks posed by Russia to the rest of Europe. Don't
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Speaker 2: go Away.
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Speaker 1: Radio to discuss some of the big international stories. Let's
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Speaker 1: bring in the panel Scar and News contributor Kosher Gada
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Speaker 1: and past here of Parliament's Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee,
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Speaker 1: Michael Danby.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to you both.
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Speaker 1: The Prime Minister managed to snap a selfie with Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump in New York. We've all seen that by now,
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Speaker 1: but more importantly, he has finally locked in a White
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Speaker 1: House meeting for October the twentieth, and I'm sure it'll
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Speaker 1: be an interesting one considering Trump's criticism of the move
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Speaker 1: to recognize Palestine and his blistering attacks on the net
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Speaker 1: zero agenda. Just have a look at the contrast.
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Speaker 3: This is the decisive decade for acting on the environmental
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Speaker 3: challenge of climate change, but also seizing the economic opportunities
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Speaker 3: of clean energy. We all grasp the scale and the
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Speaker 3: urgency about tasks.
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Speaker 18: Climate change as if he goes higher or lower, whatever
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Speaker 18: the hell happens this claimate change, it's the greatest kan
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Speaker 18: job ever perpetrated on the world. In my opinion, the
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Speaker 18: carbon footprint is a hoax.
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Speaker 1: They'll certainly make an odd couple. Kosher, what can we
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Speaker 1: expect to come out of this meeting? And would the
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Speaker 1: Prime Minister be worried of Trump sort of springing something
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Speaker 1: on him as he has done before in these situations, he.
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Speaker 13: Should definitely prepare for that. I would say the first
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Speaker 13: thing is the meeting is finally happening, so Prime Inustra
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Speaker 13: Albinies you can tick the box. I will put a
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Speaker 13: little asterisk on that, though hopefully it holds because Trump
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Speaker 13: has canceled these meetings before, and I wouldn't be surprised
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Speaker 13: if again that happens. There are many priorities out there,
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Speaker 13: and we just know where Australia may or may not
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Speaker 13: sit on that list of parties, assuming it does go ahead.
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Speaker 13: I think you know a couple of those issues where
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Speaker 13: there is a high contrast, like climate change, as you mentioned,
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Speaker 13: like free speech and the e Safety Commissioner and specifically
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Speaker 13: the restrictions, the creeping restrictions that are being put on
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Speaker 13: these platforms American platforms, and free speech is something that
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Speaker 13: they have signaled President Trump and Vice President advanced to
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Speaker 13: the Europeans that you know that really is antithetical to
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Speaker 13: our shared values of free speech and why should we
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Speaker 13: support you. And there are different points of leverage that
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Speaker 13: Trump may decide he wants to exercise, be day tariffs,
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Speaker 13: be Day, something about the Auchest deal. So I do
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Speaker 13: think the Prime Minister should be prepared to get an
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Speaker 13: earfull on some of those issues, and I think many
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Speaker 13: Australians would probably welcome it because there are many is
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Speaker 13: half the country that are very opposed to these domestic
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Speaker 13: policy agenders.
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Speaker 1: Indeed, it was also interesting to see Michael the Ambassador
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Speaker 1: to the US, Kevin Rudd. There was a photo of
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Speaker 1: him embracing one of Trump's of arch political rivals, which
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Speaker 1: is California Governor Gavin Newsom, with Chris Bowen sort of
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Speaker 1: standing awkwardly behind with a bit of sad.
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Speaker 2: Iyea, what do you make of that?
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Speaker 9: Well, Run's playing the long game.
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Speaker 5: He's hoping that.
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Speaker 9: Despite all probabilities, that Newsom will be a candidate and
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Speaker 9: and he'll win.
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Speaker 5: I'd be betting on JD. E. Vans if I was
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Speaker 5: the ambassador.
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Speaker 9: In the embassy in Washington, but I'm not sure it'll
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Speaker 9: make the meeting with.
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Speaker 5: The Big Donald any easier.
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Speaker 1: Indeed, now the Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelenski has issued a
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Speaker 1: die called to arms at the UN as well. He's
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Speaker 1: warned that Vladimir putin one to expand the war.
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Speaker 19: We must use everything we have together to force the
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Speaker 19: aggressor to stop, and only then we have a real
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Speaker 19: chance that these arms race will not end in cadestroy
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Speaker 19: for all of us. If it takes weapons to do it,
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Speaker 19: if it takes pressure on Russia, then it must be done,
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Speaker 19: and it must be done now.
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Speaker 1: Michael, where is this heading now? When does Trump reach
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Speaker 1: the end of his tether and do something really serious?
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Speaker 9: Well, the only really serious thing you can do is
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Speaker 9: employ secondary sanctions against India and China. He seems to
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Speaker 9: be going soft on China with the TikTok deal, but.
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Speaker 5: I mean.
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Speaker 9: Putin has non rational goals. He could have made a
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Speaker 9: deal with Trump to cut his losses, take all of
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Speaker 9: the don Bass and be relieved of American sanctions, but
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Speaker 9: stop killing people in Kurakiev and Kiev every night.
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Speaker 2: But he chooses not to.
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Speaker 9: And I don't think even secondary sanctions but Trump will
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Speaker 9: even stop him in six months.
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Speaker 5: It'll take a.
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Speaker 9: While for them to really crank down the Russian war machines,
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Speaker 9: money indeed kosher.
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Speaker 1: What do you make of China's landmark pledge to cut
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Speaker 1: emissions by seven to ten by twenty thirty five. This
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Speaker 1: was another thing out of the UN. Jijingping sort of
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Speaker 1: phoned it in and had the opportunity to say this.
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Speaker 1: How significant is it. I mean, there's no chance really
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Speaker 1: that they're going to stick to it, I don't think,
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Speaker 1: but the symbolism of having Jijingping doing that after Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump saying what he said is quite something.
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Speaker 13: Interesting. I think your right pledges are cheap and easy
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Speaker 13: because you never are around to follow up on them.
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Speaker 13: So I don't think anybody's expecting that that will hold.
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Speaker 13: Even other countries that are much more dogmatic about this
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Speaker 13: stuff don't seem to be able to meet their pledges.
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Speaker 13: It is interesting, though, I would say for the climate enthusiasts,
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Speaker 13: this should be a happy day for them, because even
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Speaker 13: a seven to ten percent reduction by the biggest polluter
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Speaker 13: in the world, and China, has much more of an
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Speaker 13: impact if they actually cared about the climate as they claim,
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Speaker 13: than you know, a country like Australia with only twenty
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Speaker 13: seven million people banning plastic straws. So I think that
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Speaker 13: would be a good thing for them. And what it
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Speaker 13: does is it exposes, as we all know, that they
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Speaker 13: don't care about it, and that's why they're going to
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Speaker 13: keep pushing their domestic agendas. Notwithstanding China's pledge.
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Speaker 1: Michael quickly before we go, Italy seemed to frigate to
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Speaker 1: assistrated Tunberg's gas or aid flow tiller after it was
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Speaker 1: reportedly attacked by unidentified drones while sailing south of Greece.
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Speaker 1: I mean, who knows what's going on here, but you know,
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Speaker 1: as far as i'm they should just leave the floatiller alone.
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Speaker 1: If they want to go and float towards a be
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Speaker 1: my guest, it's no skin off my nose. What happens
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Speaker 1: to them?
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Speaker 9: Well, Italy in Spain who's threatened to send a worship
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Speaker 9: should be reminded of the fate of the Armada. I mean,
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Speaker 9: the Israelis is just going to drag these ships off
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Speaker 9: as they always do to the port of us Dord,
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Speaker 9: Relieve these people of their supplies, send them to the
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Speaker 9: pork people in Gaza, and set to port all of
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Speaker 9: these people home and back to where they came from.
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Speaker 9: So that's how it's going to wind. Italy and Spain
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Speaker 9: should stay.
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Speaker 13: Out of it.
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Speaker 1: Kacher Michael, thank you for joining me, and of course
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Speaker 1: thank you for your company. Tonight up next to Bolt
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Speaker 1: Report with my grademate James McPherson