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- 0:07Speaker 1: From The Australian, this is the weekend edition of The Front.
- 0:10Speaker 1: I'm Claire Harvey. Musk, the Alex Gibney-directed four-hour documentary epic,
- 0:18Speaker 1: started its theatrical release this week with the usual storm
- 0:22Speaker 1: of controversy that follows its subject, the world's richest man,
- 0:26Speaker 1: Elon Musk. The Hollywood Reporter claimed tech titans had colluded
- 0:31Speaker 1: to obstruct online advertising. Universal Pictures allegedly got cold feet
- 0:36Speaker 1: about distribution, and some viewers have questioned the ethics of
- 0:41Speaker 1: using a CGI avatar of Musk in the film. It's
- 0:45Speaker 1: fair to say Musk himself is no fan of the
- 0:47Speaker 1: documentary or of Alex Gidney, whom he labelled a douche
- 0:52Speaker 1: in 2023, shortly after the project was announced, and a
- 0:55Speaker 1: horrible human after Musk's Venice Film Festival screening in September.
- 1:00Speaker 1: And while the documentary received a five-minute standing ovation at
- 1:04Speaker 1: Venice and a slew of five-star reviews, Elon Musk is
- 1:09Speaker 1: now threatening defamation action against Gibney and his team. Joining
- 1:13Speaker 1: me to talk Musk is Max Aitchison. Max is an
- 1:16Speaker 1: expert in business people with outsized egos. He's one of
- 1:20Speaker 1: our margin call columnists here at The Australian and spends
- 1:23Speaker 1: his days documenting the foibles and follies of characters who
- 1:27Speaker 1: could only wish they were as colourful as Elon.
- 1:38Speaker 2: Give it up for the greatest.
- 1:39Speaker 3: Capitalist in history.
- 1:41Speaker 4: Oh!
- 1:43Speaker 5: Elon Musk is one of the most controversial figures in
- 1:46Speaker 5: the world.
- 1:48Speaker 4: So I decided to make him the subject of my
- 1:50Speaker 4: next film.
- 1:52Speaker 1: Max, neither of us have seen this. It premiered at
- 1:55Speaker 1: the Venice Film Festival and we'll either be seeing it
- 1:58Speaker 1: in the movie theatres or waiting until it's on HBO.
- 2:01Speaker 1: Have you seen any other Alex Gibney films?
- 2:03Speaker 4: Yes, I've seen one. It was about Enron. It was
- 2:06Speaker 4: called The Smartest Guys in the Room. That was quite
- 2:10Speaker 4: a few years ago that I saw it now. But yeah,
- 2:11Speaker 4: it was brilliant. He's a very good filmmaker. So yeah,
- 2:14Speaker 4: keen to see what he's got.
- 2:15Speaker 1: He's amazing. He's won Emmys and Oscars. I've seen the
- 2:17Speaker 1: documentary he made about Elizabeth Holmes, the founder of Theranos,
- 2:21Speaker 1: that was called The Inventor. And he compared her to
- 2:25Speaker 1: Thomas Edison as a kind of business celebrity. And someone
- 2:30Speaker 1: who kind of fakes it till they make it, you know,
- 2:33Speaker 1: and he posed the question in the documentary, is it
- 2:35Speaker 1: legitimate to pretend that your product works until it actually does?
- 2:39Speaker 1: Like what Thomas Edison did with the light bulb. So
- 2:42Speaker 1: he took a really interesting, I think, fairly balanced view
- 2:44Speaker 1: of her rather than kind of as an out and
- 2:46Speaker 1: out corporate criminal. Like, well, this is what inventors and
- 2:49Speaker 1: entrepreneurs do. Now he's moved on to Elon Musk. The
- 2:52Speaker 1: first thing most people will know about this is that
- 2:54Speaker 1: he's really pissed off Elon Musk already. The trailer tells
- 2:58Speaker 1: you why, doesn't it?
- 3:00Speaker 3: We have one person who's this chaotic and has this
- 3:03Speaker 3: much power. It's completely insane.
- 3:08Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely. And I'm sensing similar themes about, you know,
- 3:11Speaker 4: faking it till you make it. I think that argument
- 3:13Speaker 4: could be made about Elon Musk's career. You know, he
- 3:17Speaker 4: has presented himself for years as the sole founder of
- 3:20Speaker 4: Tesla when that's not strictly true.
- 3:24Speaker 1: Elon Musk is the most famous Tesla CEO.
- 3:26Speaker 5: Hey, everyone!
- 3:27Speaker 2: But Martin Eberhard and Mark Tarpenning were the original founding executives.
- 3:31Speaker 3: We started it.
- 3:32Speaker 2: Well, I mean, this is one of the things that
- 3:33Speaker 2: I found kind of fascinating about him, is that he's
- 3:37Speaker 2: actually accomplished some amazing.
- 3:38Speaker 4: Things in his own right.
- 3:39Speaker 3: He's totally amazing.
- 3:41Speaker 2: Yeah, SpaceX is amazing, and he's done some interesting things
- 3:43Speaker 2: with Tesla, for sure. I'm not sure why he has
- 3:46Speaker 2: to also say that he was a founder when he wasn't.
- 3:48Speaker 2: I don't understand that.
- 3:48Speaker 3: Yeah, whatever.
- 3:49Speaker 4: Whatever. there was a court case and a settlement with
- 3:53Speaker 4: the individuals that he co-founded the business with. So yeah, no,
- 3:57Speaker 4: it'd be interesting to see what he's got to say
- 3:59Speaker 4: about Musk. The fact that Elon Musk hates it already
- 4:03Speaker 4: is probably going to encourage more people to see it.
- 4:06Speaker 4: It's the classic thing, you know, if you try and
- 4:08Speaker 4: ban something or shut something down, all it does is
- 4:11Speaker 4: draw more attention to it. They call it the Barbara
- 4:14Speaker 4: Streisand effect because Barbara Streisand tried to ban some aerial
- 4:19Speaker 4: imagery of one of her homes. And all that did
- 4:22Speaker 4: was draw more attention to the fact that she owned
- 4:24Speaker 4: that home. So I think Musk has done the same
- 4:27Speaker 4: thing here.
- 4:30Speaker 1: The Tesla story is going to be a really interesting
- 4:32Speaker 1: part of it. I mean, he really pursues this idea
- 4:34Speaker 1: that there is kind of almost fraudulent and hyped up,
- 4:39Speaker 1: fake it till you make it kind of-ness about Tesla,
- 4:41Speaker 1: which is something I hadn't heard before. There's apparently a
- 4:44Speaker 1: sequence where there's a public demonstration of how easy it
- 4:48Speaker 1: is to change a Tesla battery. But in fact, what
- 4:51Speaker 1: that relied on was kind of Wizard of Oz style,
- 4:54Speaker 1: kind of behind the scenes trickery to make it look
- 4:56Speaker 1: like this was happening, when in fact it wasn't. Same
- 4:59Speaker 1: with SpaceX. You know, he stepped in at a point
- 5:02Speaker 1: where NASA was unable to fund the shuttle system anymore
- 5:06Speaker 1: and privatised space travel. created his Starlink network of satellites.
- 5:11Speaker 1: But the central idea there is that rockets are reusable,
- 5:14Speaker 1: that you can land them again and then use them
- 5:16Speaker 1: to launch something else into space, something they'd never done before.
- 5:20Speaker 1: But that idea took a lot of effort to actually
- 5:22Speaker 1: make it work. Like, it could have all absolutely failed.
- 5:27Speaker 5: It was one of the most remarkable displays of engineering
- 5:30Speaker 5: prowess and recent memory. On October 13th, SpaceX made history
- 5:35Speaker 5: when the booster from its massive Starship rocket was caught
- 5:38Speaker 5: by two mechanical arms dubbed Chopsticks as it descended back
- 5:42Speaker 5: to the launch pad.
- 5:45Speaker 1: That's the amazing thing about him, isn't it, Musk? You know,
- 5:47Speaker 1: he has kept trying, even though he wasn't actually there
- 5:50Speaker 1: on any.
- 5:50Speaker 4: Of these projects. Oh, absolutely. I mean, he's certainly committed
- 5:54Speaker 4: and he doesn't actually feature in the documentary because he's
- 5:58Speaker 4: refused to engage with Alex Gibney, who has The director
- 6:01Speaker 4: himself has said that he is very critical of Musk,
- 6:05Speaker 4: like he's making no attempts to be non-partisan in his portrayal.
- 6:10Speaker 4: Having said that, there is an AI version of Musk
- 6:15Speaker 4: that apparently appears in the documentary. I read one review
- 6:19Speaker 4: that said it was impossible to get used to, so
- 6:21Speaker 4: I'm quite keen to see what that's going to look like.
- 6:25Speaker 4: And I think it's a bit of a pastiche from
- 6:27Speaker 4: the director, you know, because Musk is so at the
- 6:30Speaker 4: forefront of that particular revolution. But yeah, to go back
- 6:34Speaker 4: to Musk as a character, I mean, he is one
- 6:36Speaker 4: of the defining people of our time, whether you like
- 6:40Speaker 4: him or you don't, that's inarguable. The question of whether
- 6:44Speaker 4: he's a visionary, a genius, or whether he's a confidence man,
- 6:49Speaker 4: as Alex Gibney has said he is, I don't have
- 6:52Speaker 4: the answers, but there's no question that he is pushing
- 6:56Speaker 4: things further and beyond. I mean, his whole mission about
- 7:00Speaker 4: colonizing Mars. I mean, it's the realm of science fiction.
- 7:05Speaker 1: It's ridiculous too, though. I'm not going to Mars.
- 7:07Speaker 3: Are you going to Mars?
- 7:08Speaker 2: Well, we'll see.
- 7:09Speaker 4: If it gets too hot on this planet, maybe. But no,
- 7:12Speaker 4: I mean, we are kind of in the realm of
- 7:14Speaker 4: science fiction.
- 7:17Speaker 2: Mars is a dry, frozen world today. But one day,
- 7:20Speaker 2: if entrepreneurs like Elon Musk have their way, human colonists
- 7:24Speaker 2: could call it home.
- 7:27Speaker 1: Once upon a time, the idea of driverless cars was far-fetched,
- 7:30Speaker 1: or reusable rockets, of course. But the journey of Musk
- 7:33Speaker 1: from progressive hero or visionary into kind of right-wing hate
- 7:38Speaker 1: figure is really interesting, especially now that he seems to
- 7:41Speaker 1: be coming back. Like, he's the one now who is
- 7:44Speaker 1: warning about AI and who is trying to cast himself
- 7:47Speaker 1: as kind of the angel of the AI revolution. I
- 7:50Speaker 1: feel sometimes like it would be easier to look back
- 7:52Speaker 1: on Elon Musk as a historical figure rather than actually
- 7:55Speaker 1: have to live in the world that he's dominating, you know?
- 7:58Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely. A lot of or many billionaires are quite
- 8:02Speaker 4: inscrutable figures. You know, they don't make public comments. They
- 8:06Speaker 4: don't give interviews. They aren't accessible. And that's largely by design.
- 8:11Speaker 4: Musk is almost the complete opposite. Since he bought Twitter,
- 8:15Speaker 4: renamed it X, he pumps out dozens, if not more,
- 8:20Speaker 4: tweets a day. He's constantly engaging. He is a kind
- 8:24Speaker 4: of internet edgelord. He weighs in on topics that you
- 8:30Speaker 4: think wouldn't concern someone who is meant to be the
- 8:33Speaker 4: CEO of one of the biggest companies in the world.
- 8:36Speaker 4: He weighs in on questions of domestic UK politics, for example,
- 8:41Speaker 4: which is extraordinary and his influence is massive. Just recently,
- 8:46Speaker 4: one of the big scandals that he took great exception
- 8:49Speaker 4: to was the casting in Christopher Nolan's The Odyssey. You know,
- 8:54Speaker 4: he claimed it was woke, the fact that Helen of
- 8:56Speaker 4: Troy was black and there was other characters that he
- 9:00Speaker 4: thought should have been played by other people. And he
- 9:02Speaker 4: gets so exercised and worked up about it and he
- 9:05Speaker 4: says he's going to create his own AI version of
- 9:07Speaker 4: the Odyssey and everything. So not only is he kind
- 9:10Speaker 4: of plugged into the kind of technological advancement and that
- 9:15Speaker 4: side of society, he's also wading in the culture wars
- 9:18Speaker 4: and he's done that for years.
- 9:21Speaker 1: And he casts himself as a sort of moralist too.
- 9:24Speaker 1: Like he's saying, I think his argument about the Odyssey was,
- 9:27Speaker 1: this should be true to Homer's epic and we shouldn't
- 9:29Speaker 1: be trying to sort of apply 21st century values to it,
- 9:32Speaker 1: you know. This should be much more traditional. And the
- 9:34Speaker 1: documentary goes to his personal life and I think sets
- 9:38Speaker 1: up that moral question about him, someone who's got at
- 9:41Speaker 1: least 14 children. Two of his former partners are interviewed
- 9:44Speaker 1: in the doco and they say very unflattering things about him.
- 9:48Speaker 3: Somebody on Elon's side referred to us as the breeders.
- 9:51Speaker 2: There's 14 that are publicly known, but people around Elon
- 9:55Speaker 2: believe that there's many more.
- 9:56Speaker 3: Thank you.
- 9:58Speaker 5: This was an order creating.
- 10:00Speaker 1: That seems to be the part of it that's made
- 10:01Speaker 1: him the most upset, doesn't it?
- 10:03Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely. His personal life is just as fascinating as
- 10:06Speaker 4: his public life from his childhood in South Africa, where
- 10:10Speaker 4: I think he was bullied at school. One friend joked
- 10:15Speaker 4: to me that the bullies at his school did a
- 10:17Speaker 4: pretty good job given how he turned out, you know,
- 10:21Speaker 4: which is an interesting way of looking at things. I think,
- 10:25Speaker 4: you know, he had a really tough upbringing with his father.
- 10:27Speaker 4: There's been a lot written about that. Fascinating background. I mean, yeah,
- 10:32Speaker 4: the fact that he is the father to 14, if
- 10:35Speaker 4: not more children, many, you know, to different women, you know,
- 10:39Speaker 4: I don't know how he keeps track of everything or has,
- 10:41Speaker 4: you know, enough hours in the day to keep up
- 10:44Speaker 4: with all of them. But the reason he's got so
- 10:47Speaker 4: many children, and it has been said that he believes
- 10:50Speaker 4: that one of the greatest threats to humanity is a
- 10:54Speaker 4: depopulation crisis. So he sees it as his duty to
- 10:57Speaker 4: have more children.
- 10:58Speaker 3: This is a holdover from, I don't know, the 70s
- 11:02Speaker 3: or something. So there was a huge baby boom where
- 11:07Speaker 3: people did have a ton of kids after World War II.
- 11:10Speaker 3: But then the US has actually been at, The birth
- 11:14Speaker 3: rate in the US has been below replacement rate since
- 11:17Speaker 3: like 71 or 72.
- 11:19Speaker 1: I find it amazing that there's 14 women who are
- 11:21Speaker 1: prepared to have sex with him on those terms.
- 11:23Speaker 4: Power is a great aphrodisiac.
- 11:25Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess so.
- 11:26Speaker 4: Power and influence.
- 11:27Speaker 1: Yeah, and maybe an NDA and a couple of hundred
- 11:29Speaker 1: million dollars.
- 11:30Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sure.
- 11:31Speaker 1: Thanks, Max.
- 11:32Speaker 4: Thanks.
- 11:38Speaker 1: Max Aitchison is a reporter for The Australian. You can
- 11:41Speaker 1: read his margin call columns anytime at theaustralian.com.au. While I've
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- 12:07Speaker 1: This episode of The Front was hosted by me, Claire Harvey,
- 12:10Speaker 1: and produced by Jasper League. Our team also includes Kristen Amiott,
- 12:14Speaker 1: Leah Tamaglou, Tiffany Dimak, and Joshua Burton.