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Ep. 809: The 209 - A Backyard Hunt For An Iowa Giant · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: today by someone that Krinn and I have been texting
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  Speaker 1: back and forth about having on for it might be
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  Speaker 1: six years crazy. Krinn was like five because they can't
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  Speaker 1: do math.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's six December nineteenth.
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  Speaker 1: That article no, no, I meant I was making about
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  Speaker 1: it's so long you?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I was.
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  Speaker 1: Since she was a little gal, a little girl. We've
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  Speaker 1: been texting back and forth about having on. Rob sand
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  Speaker 1: from Iowa and what what brought this up? People text
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  Speaker 1: you articles all the time, and I didn't know that
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  Speaker 1: many years ago we get an article years ago headline
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  Speaker 1: New York Times article. Someone sends us this article headline
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  Speaker 1: the bow hunting influencer of Iowa Democrats. Rob did not
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  Speaker 1: write these heads you did not, he didn't write these articles.
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  Speaker 1: A line from so then the I studied journalism a
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  Speaker 1: little teeny bit. What do you call the the headline
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  Speaker 1: and then head out the like lead, lead led right
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  Speaker 1: the sub Then there's the nut graft there somewhere is it?
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  Speaker 1: The lead? The lead? Rob sand figured out how to
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  Speaker 1: win statewide office as a Democrat in Iowa, and now
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  Speaker 1: the presidential contenders are seeking his counsel. Yeah. It goes
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  Speaker 1: on mister sands fondness for hunting. See this is really
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  Speaker 1: a story about hunting. Mister sands fondness for hunting, cultivated
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  Speaker 1: during his childhood years in rural Iowa, but also conveniently
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  Speaker 1: appealing to the state's more conservative constituents, helps explain why
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  Speaker 1: he was the only non incumbent Democrat to win statewide
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  Speaker 1: here in twenty eighteen, all thanks to hunting.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Then the Telegraph, here's another headline, robbedn't right, He's gonna blush.
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  Speaker 1: Uh Oh, the gun toting Christian who could help Democrats
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  Speaker 1: win over Trump voters. Rising star party is spooking Republicans
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  Speaker 1: and Ruby red state of Iowa. A sentence from that
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  Speaker 1: article goes, Rob Sand, Oh, yeah, there's a gun toting
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  Speaker 1: Christian from rural Iowa who goes deer hunting. Of all
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  Speaker 1: things that I'm added, I'm editor, I'm adding that of
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  Speaker 1: all things, who goes deer hunting, drives a white Ford
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  Speaker 1: F one fifty pick up and open speeches by quoting
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  Speaker 1: the Bible. Another article Wall Street Journal, Meet the Democrat
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  Speaker 1: who Republicans fear in Red state America. Here's here's a
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  Speaker 1: sentence from the article. Rob sand could almost pass for
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  Speaker 1: a Republican. He frequently quotes the Bible, owns two sig
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  Speaker 1: sour handguns, goes deer hunting each fall, and asks audiences
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  Speaker 1: to sing a few verses of America the beautiful at
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  Speaker 1: the start of each campaign event. So these articles they
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  Speaker 1: build and build and build, and then we're like, maybe
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  Speaker 1: don't have this guy in and talk to him. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: but most were gonna talk about a big old Bucky killed. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that'll be more fun. That's the main thing. My auditing head.
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  Speaker 1: And all of these sentences are like, not quite true,
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  Speaker 1: not quite true.
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  Speaker 3: I now drive a Silver f one fifty.
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  Speaker 1: Oh some little minor differences. Yeah, the white one hit
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  Speaker 1: like one seventy, and the camfazers were going out and
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  Speaker 1: with all the body damage that was on it, it
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  Speaker 1: made more sense to buy a new one. Got it.
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  Speaker 1: But there's a quote the only thing worse than being
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  Speaker 1: written about it's not being written about. You could switch
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  Speaker 1: my in my business. That's probably true. Yeah, you could
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  Speaker 1: switch it. You know you can switch it. Oh. Also,
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  Speaker 1: I forgot to mention he's he's running for governor. There's
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  Speaker 1: that he's running for governor and I iowas we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: talk about that, but first we have to have our
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  Speaker 1: entrepreneur spotlight. Back to Brooklyn Stevens. Right, Brooklyn Stevens, this
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  Speaker 1: is your third time you've been on the show, believe
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  Speaker 1: so okay, because she's trying to build her business it
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  Speaker 1: FOURAL six Bone Works, so we have around on and
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  Speaker 1: to check in with her. Harvest was down in Montana
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  Speaker 1: this year because it was an exceptionally warm fall. It
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  Speaker 1: was not much snow, hot, very hot, and she saw
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  Speaker 1: it reflected in how many schools came into four L
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  Speaker 1: six Bone Works. Yep, that's her leading theory. Tell us
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  Speaker 1: about that.
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  Speaker 2: I yeah, I mean I last year, I probably did
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  Speaker 2: close to two hundred and fifty schools from January to
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  Speaker 2: end of December, and that was not counting that it
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  Speaker 2: would have been this January, like the the trickle in
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  Speaker 2: of that season schools, which was probably another twenty or
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  Speaker 2: so got it this year. I don't even know if
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  Speaker 2: I'll get close to two hundred.
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  Speaker 1: This cannot stand. Yep. And last I need to flood you.
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  Speaker 1: They need to flood four or six bone works with skulls. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't care if you've got to ship it from
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  Speaker 1: another country yep.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we bought specifically four to hold all of my heads.
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  Speaker 2: A shipping container, so you didically.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you own your own shipping container now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like it's like a smaller one, but it's
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  Speaker 2: still shipping.
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  Speaker 1: So you've got capital expenditures into your business.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's deductible, definitely.
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  Speaker 1: Uh. And you're thinking about so traditionally the school You've
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  Speaker 1: done a bunch of schools for me, now you must
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  Speaker 1: probably done a half dozen or more. Yeah. Yeah, all
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  Speaker 1: turned out beautifully, zero complaints, Thank you, beautiful work. But
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  Speaker 1: you're branching into your brand. You're going to branch into
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  Speaker 1: the beetles stuff and some other hide hide stuff. So
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  Speaker 1: tell tell folks about what your tell folks about your
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  Speaker 1: sort of I don't know what you call it business
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  Speaker 1: lingo your verticals? No, you know, I'm getting that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So the Beatles I got specifically for like the
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  Speaker 2: smaller schools because it's it's hard to like boil them.
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  Speaker 2: I would just put them in a crockpot and slow
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  Speaker 2: cook them. But oh I just was not a fan,
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  Speaker 2: and so I just got the Beatles. And then the
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  Speaker 2: way I whiten things now, I can still decreases at
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  Speaker 2: the same time, so I can still do it with
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  Speaker 2: the smaller schools and it just makes it easier. Okay that,
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  Speaker 2: and I'll sell the smaller schools too, like if I
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  Speaker 2: can it. My buddies are big trappers, and so if
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  Speaker 2: they don't want their skulls, like, they'll just give them
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  Speaker 2: to me to feed them, and I'll just sell them
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  Speaker 2: and I'll pay them for the school or whatever they want.
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  Speaker 2: And then yeah, I did just get in to tanning.
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  Speaker 2: I was dabbling in it before, but I just opened
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  Speaker 2: for public, so I can't do really anything.
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  Speaker 1: So someone got say, let's say someone was out and
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  Speaker 1: they got a coyoke and they wanted to have it
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  Speaker 1: done as a hanging decoration or they wanted to save
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  Speaker 1: it up to get something made out of it they
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  Speaker 1: could bring you. You would skin it, flash it, stretch it,
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  Speaker 1: get it to the tannery, all that kind of stuff,
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  Speaker 1: and return to them a finished product. Excellent. Excellent.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I just now starting to get into
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  Speaker 2: shoulder mounts. I did my first one last last summer.
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  Speaker 2: Still a lot of things I need to work on,
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  Speaker 2: but it turned out great for Oh I did. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think so, and I got a lots of good
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  Speaker 2: feedback on it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, well, next time you come in, you should bring
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  Speaker 1: in a shoulder mount. That's pretty exciting. So you're you're
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  Speaker 1: on the path. Like John Hayes, better watch out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've talked to him quite a bit, and he's.
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  Speaker 1: Better watch that. He's gonna start having to steer you wrong.
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  Speaker 1: He's gonna start giving you. Hayes is gonna start giving
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  Speaker 1: you bad advice. Yeah, yeah, he's gonna he sees you
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  Speaker 1: coming in the rear view mirror and he's gonna start
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  Speaker 1: giving you bad advice.
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  Speaker 2: Right, yep.
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  Speaker 1: He might not even be around anymore. I spoke to
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  Speaker 1: him this morning. He was driving thirty miles an hour. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: he was driving thirty miles an hour in a white
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  Speaker 1: out behind a truck. We talked about what I would
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  Speaker 1: say if he doesn't make it. I was gonna say
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  Speaker 1: it with John. It was all about the animals, That's
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  Speaker 1: all I was gonna say at is moral service. Now
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  Speaker 1: it's gonna be like, you know, the dead ones.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's all about sounds fair.
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  Speaker 3: You should remember that the pupil should never outshine the master.
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  Speaker 3: That's what they say. He'll stay happy as long as
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  Speaker 3: you keep telling him, I'm learning so much from.
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  Speaker 1: You, that's yeah. Do that. If he tells you a
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  Speaker 1: hot tip, don't be.
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  Speaker 3: Like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, don't tell don't tell him.
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  Speaker 3: Oh I already knew that. Anything he says, oh, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: The pupils should never outshine the mask, or if you're
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  Speaker 1: a terrible bullshitter, just at least interesting, you know, keep
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  Speaker 1: it in mind. Yeah, never call him and give him
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  Speaker 1: a tip, because then, you know what I'm saying, Then
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  Speaker 1: he might sayabotage, you know what I mean, because he's
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  Speaker 1: he's got to watch out. Sure, he's the old guard.
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  Speaker 1: You're the new.
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  Speaker 2: Guard, right yep?
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  Speaker 1: All right, Well, so tell people how to get ahold
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  Speaker 1: of you. The bringing in the skulls.
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  Speaker 2: I have a flyer at the Meter Flagship store downtown Bozeman.
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  Speaker 2: My phone number information is all on that or my
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  Speaker 2: Instagram is just four O six dop bone works. Message
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  Speaker 2: me on there, my Gmail is on there, or if
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  Speaker 2: you have my number, you know, it's just shoot me,
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  Speaker 2: text whatever. That's the best way. I don't look at
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  Speaker 2: my email very much, but you can get me.
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  Speaker 1: Get a hold of me. If someone was down on
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  Speaker 1: main Street, because because you work at the you don't
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  Speaker 1: work at the media to store on main Street. Yep,
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  Speaker 1: someone could just drop one off there. Huh is that
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  Speaker 1: not legal?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: I have a with Alec.
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  Speaker 1: He knows what he knows. What's up? Okay, now tell
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  Speaker 1: me the honest answer, like it doesn't it's not. The
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  Speaker 1: honest answer isn't going to bother me. This is the
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  Speaker 1: last question. Would you rather be home cleaning skulls or
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  Speaker 1: rather be working at the store. Just tell me this
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  Speaker 1: flat out honest answer.
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  Speaker 2: Be home clean and clean skulls.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. Okay, you're you're you're inspired, you're inspired. It's awesome.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Well, good luck, thank you. Four h six
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  Speaker 1: bone Works. Give the phone number.
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  Speaker 2: It's gonna be four oh six four four eight four eight.
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  Speaker 1: I got a second question or the second last question?
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  Speaker 1: Do you prefer people to bring you skulls that are
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  Speaker 1: rotten and full of maggots or fresh and frozen. Neither,
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  Speaker 1: Oh really tell us, okay? And with this and with this,
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  Speaker 1: the perfect customer brings the skull and what form.
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  Speaker 2: Killed it that morning? It off that night, not skinned?
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  Speaker 2: Just leave it to me, not skinned. I don't it's
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  Speaker 2: something about the skin, I think, sucking in all that moisture,
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  Speaker 2: and so I think if you just leave it on
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  Speaker 2: there and then I can do it. I'll get it
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  Speaker 2: done either the same day or the day after. And
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what it is, but it's just like
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  Speaker 2: the freshness. It really does make skulls come out wider
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  Speaker 2: and not realistic.
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  Speaker 1: So if they're not doing you a favor when they
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  Speaker 1: skin it, I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Sort of, I'm gonna now I charge to skin them.
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  Speaker 2: But that's why that's what I really like to just that.
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  Speaker 3: But she's also inviting her customers to do less work.
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  Speaker 3: Just bring it to me, I'll do it. That's smart businesss.
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  Speaker 1: Fooral six bone works. Get the phone number again.
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  Speaker 2: Four six four o four eight four.
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  Speaker 1: Eight Okay, Brooklyn, which one you like the most? Your
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  Speaker 1: I know? On your contact it says brook but I
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  Speaker 1: know he has Brooklyn. Am I doing? Am I wrong
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  Speaker 1: when I say Brooklyn?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So you can pick customers, pick brook they can
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  Speaker 1: pick Brooklyn. Steven's firl six bone works. Done a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of work for everybody around here. You're doing Spencer's biggest
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  Speaker 1: buck he ever got. Yep. Nice.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, he's probably the biggest buck I've yarrowed so far.
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  Speaker 1: Really, he's a picky man too. If he's happy, you'll
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  Speaker 1: know you did a good job.
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  Speaker 2: He's fussy, Yeah, little guy.
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  Speaker 1: Fussy, little fellow. Likes everything kind of how he likes it.
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  Speaker 1: They've been in his house. Likes everything he likes if
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  Speaker 1: you if you move something, he knows he likes it,
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  Speaker 1: just how he likes.
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  Speaker 3: It's hard to live that way.
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  Speaker 1: All right, you can take off, go clean some skulls. Yep,
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  Speaker 1: thanks dude, appreciate it. Come by, Thank you God.
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  Speaker 2: I already broke those rules.
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  Speaker 1: Which ones skin skin didn't let it rot.
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  Speaker 2: Still still in a box in the garage.
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  Speaker 1: She skin didn't let it rot.
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  Speaker 3: I also like to call me anything, you know. It's like,
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  Speaker 3: you can call me anything. Just call me for your
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  Speaker 3: text or means.
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  Speaker 1: That's a good. Yeah, it's the only rule. Okay, Rob
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  Speaker 1: sam Man, Let's let's start a little bit. Let's start
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  Speaker 1: a little bit about we'll get it. I want to
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  Speaker 1: talk about the buck. I want to talk about what
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  Speaker 1: exact you do for a living, what you're fixing to
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  Speaker 1: do for a living. You met, but let's let's start out. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: let's start out back home and when you were a
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  Speaker 1: wee lad. So one of one of the articles I
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  Speaker 1: read about you made a lot gave a lot of
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  Speaker 1: ink to the fact that you were, that you worked
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  Speaker 1: in the poultry. I did it as a chicken catcher.
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  Speaker 3: I did well technically capons capon catcher, so castrated chickens.
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  Speaker 3: This is in northeast Ayle. I grew up in Tacora,
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  Speaker 3: and so there's a factory on the east east side
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  Speaker 3: of town, east out of town that we actually toured
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  Speaker 3: when I was in third grade.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so you get to us how you got a
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  Speaker 1: foot in the door.
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  Speaker 3: That's exactly right. They were like, you look dirty. I remember,
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  Speaker 3: I remember the little old ladies splashing some of the
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  Speaker 3: giblet water on us as we were walking past. So
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  Speaker 3: that was very that was thrilling. Definitely made me think
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  Speaker 3: I have a career ahead of me and capons, but
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  Speaker 3: I'm fourtunate.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not like I if that was a trivia question,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that I would have gotten it right.
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  Speaker 3: What a capon is?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Usual? But but but how is the consumers not
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  Speaker 1: buying a capon? This is this is a production term.
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  Speaker 3: I can't tell you if they're marketed honestly as capons
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  Speaker 3: are not. My job was walk into the barn, pick
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  Speaker 3: up the capons, hand him to the guy on the truck,
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  Speaker 3: and that was That was the end. And I was fourteen,
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  Speaker 3: so I was paying attention to Yeah, five bucks an
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  Speaker 3: hour cash. I don't know if I should say that. No,
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  Speaker 3: they'll come for you. It was five bucks an hour cash.
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  Speaker 3: It was good money and you could do it when
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  Speaker 3: you were fourteen. And uh yeah, just huge barns. So
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  Speaker 3: they pull these huge trucks in turn off the lights.
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  Speaker 3: Like I said, capons are castrated meal chickens, so they're fattier,
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  Speaker 3: bigger than usual, and you're just walking around. You grab
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  Speaker 3: them by the legs, both legs. Both is great because
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  Speaker 3: if you can get both, then they can't scratch, you.
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  Speaker 1: Can't spurry or bite you exactly exactly.
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  Speaker 3: No matter what, their last line of defense is always
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  Speaker 3: to piss and shit all over you. Got it, So
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  Speaker 3: that's going to happen, got it. That's what Fiel does,
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  Speaker 3: is that right, grab them. If you grab him by
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  Speaker 3: the ankles.
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  Speaker 1: It's the only line of defense. So we uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you grab grab the ankles. Hopefully you get both, pick
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  Speaker 1: up another one. You know, maybe you get strong enough
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  Speaker 1: six months later that you can do three at a time,
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  Speaker 1: or try to get four if your techniques improving. Give
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  Speaker 1: them to the guy on the truck and you do
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  Speaker 1: that until all the trucks are full. So is this
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  Speaker 1: one of those young kid jobs that a lot of
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  Speaker 1: young kids come in and a lot of them leave
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  Speaker 1: on day one?
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  Speaker 2: Oh?
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  Speaker 1: That was like like throwing hay bales. Tends to be
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  Speaker 1: actually funny that you mentioned that. My buddy Andy Rasmussen,
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  Speaker 1: one of my best friends. Uh, he came once, did
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  Speaker 1: not go back to collect his pay. Then he's a
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  Speaker 1: hard and he's a hard working dude.
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  Speaker 3: He's uh, but this is just this was not his
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  Speaker 3: not his bag.
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  Speaker 1: Where I grew up, there's two jobs any kid could
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  Speaker 1: get in. Every kid guy. Yeah, yeah, and it was
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  Speaker 1: any kid could walk in and start peeling logs. Yep,
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  Speaker 1: for log home. We don't have that. We don't have
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  Speaker 1: that in Iowa. Thirty five cents of foot. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what it is. Not back the thirty five cents foot.
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  Speaker 1: Any kid could walk in and he'd be like, have
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  Speaker 1: at it to you? Peeling bark peeling bark off, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like a nice log home has that hand peeled? Look? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: anybody could come in. There's no there was just the
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  Speaker 1: application period. There's no there was no interview.
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  Speaker 3: Are you swinging a hatchet?
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  Speaker 1: No, it's a draw knife, okay, And it was just
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: simply sure, go ahead, yeah, ready you go. And most
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: people peeled a couple of feet of the log and left. Yeah,
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: there you go, There you go. And the other one
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: was working at the greenhouse filling flats.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: With dirt that would probably be a little bit soil.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, But it was like anybody could get it,
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: but not everybody wanted it.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: Detasseling corn was the other one for Iowa. That's in
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: that too. Was your family agriculture. No, you could see
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: corn and cows out my bedroom window. But my dad
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: likes to say he was a farmer for six months
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: and then when he was six months old, they moved
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: off the farm.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Got it. So, yeah, so you didn't you were you
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: were egg egg adjacent, but not any family.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. Well, and everything if you're in small
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: town Iowa, you know kind of everything's egg adjacent to
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: a certain degree. So no, but yeah, first job was
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: catching chickens. Moved on from there to McDonald's for a
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: couple of years, and then the curve ball would be
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: I think my next job after that was working for
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: a local internet service provider, strangely enough, got it.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you went to law school in Iowa.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: Went to law school at Iowa, and then went to
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: the Attorney General's US. After that seven years as the
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: chief public coruption prosecutor in Iowa.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: Oh so that was gonna ask, Okay, so that's how
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: you became aware of that there's all this.
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: There is a state auditor. Yes, that's there's that.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: There's stuff to do in the governments, right, got it? Yeah?
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: So what was that work? Now?
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: So I prosecuted most of the public corruption in Iowa
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: in that timeframe. So, like many states, we had a
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: film office tax credit of filmmaking tax credit. Uh, like
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: some other states, we screwed it up, and there was
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: a lot of frauds. So I prosecuted those cases. Also
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: uncovered the largest lottery rigging scheme in American history. That's
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: a crazy story. Actually, Oh that's a good one to
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: talk about.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Big version of that.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: It was a great one to talk about here. There
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: were big Foot hunters involved. Yes, yes, so.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: You the fact that you think that excites me, I'm
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: excited by it. I'm like.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: Anti Bigfoot, all right. I mean I'm not anti his
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: existence or anti looking for him.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: We've had lookers on we had a look around. Well, no,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: she wasn't. She covered the lookers, yes, oh, okay, covered
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: she was a reporter.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: She covered the lookers, all right, and.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Then she kind of was a little bit she didn't
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: want to condemn them. Yeah, because that's her sources there there. There,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: They're they're people searching for truth in the world. You know,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: that would been the kind of thing she would have said
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: on Yeah.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: I'm not here to judge him. I'm just here to
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: tell you some of these jackpots were claimed. The guy
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: who was at the mastermind of it, it was his
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: job to write the computer program, was going to pick
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: winning numbers. He put a little bit extra in there.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: And so his brother, who was a Justice of peace
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: down in Texas.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: His brother, he got it back way up.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, state lottery so interesting. He actually worked for the
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: Multi State Lottery Association. So they ran the show for
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: different games across thirty eight different states. It's and Canadian provinces.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Got and this is not the kid where the ball
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: blows up. And though it is not okay, it's a
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: computer generator winner.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: It's funny because they moved into the computer generated systems
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: after the triple six fix in Pennsylvania.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Not familiar. Uh, The triple six fix was a rigged
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: lottery jackpot with the balls right, but they injected die
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: into the sixes and so the sixes dropped down, which
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: technically speakings this is one of those weird things about
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: the ping pong ball. Ye yes, yes, yes, And this
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: is one of those weird things. Technically speaking, it's the
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: triple squix. Yeah, we should have a whole different podcasts
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: about this. They may have done. That's what I was
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: going to say, Like, you want to talk to you.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: We got blood trails, but financial crime. If you involved
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: with the big Foot, that's your angle. The Bigfoot hunters right.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: The triple six fits triple six fix in Pennsylvania.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Who okay, I don't want to spend too much time
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: on the triple six. Sure okay, sure, okay, So go on. Well,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: so somebody who.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: Forgot what human was was like, oh, if we do
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: this with computers, then no one will ever rig it.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: And of course then Eddie Tipton came along, who's the
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: mastermind at the center of this one, and he rigged
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: a computer program so he would know he would be
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: able to rigged what was written. He wrote the program,
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: but then put a little extra in there. What so
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: that on one of three dates of the year, if
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: that date fell on a Wednesday or a Saturday, and
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: if the draw was happening after eight pm, rather than
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: going to the actual random number generator for the first seed,
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: it would go to a seven variable algorithm that he knew,
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: and so he could he could have people gone by
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: one hundred, two hundred, three hundred tickets and he would
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: know that he was hitting the jackpot in those three
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: hundred what yeah, yeah, yeah, crazy. And his brother is
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: a justice at the Peace down in Texas and a
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: big foot hunter, and so he tapped into his big
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: foot hunting network to help claim some of the tickets,
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: which I theorize.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Because he had like his associates. Yes, wow, and this
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: has got to be don't. Don't these folks have to
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: have a high degree of trusting each other. Yeah, because
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: you are looked at by the outside world as I'm sure.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: You're laughed at.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and so this you you you believe, I believe,
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: we know.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we deserve this money. That's right, that's right. And
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: so his brother, the people that were the names, did
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: they even know their names are being used?
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: You didn't, they did. So what it was was.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: I don't because they're being told what number to play.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: They're being they I don't know that they were being
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: told what number to play. But the brother of the
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Mastermind would go to them and say, hey, I want
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: the lottery, but my wife and I are on the outs,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: or you know, something about like I don't want my
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: wife to know I'm gambling, something like that. Will you
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: claim the ticket. I'll let you keep ten percent. Just
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: do all of it cash, understand today, not the annuity thing.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: I'll give you ten percent if you go claim it.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: And so they'd go claim it, and then ten years
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: went by, there was a sixteen million dollar jackpot in Iowa. Actually, folks,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: if you want to, if you got an hour and
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: you want to watch a documentary lotto dooc dot com,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: you can watch the whole story there. Or I wrote
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: a book about it. I am.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: I didn't have anything to do with making it. I'd
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: prefer you by my book. Personally, it's the winning ticket,
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: but crazy story. So we got to interview you know,
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: this bigfoot hunter down in way East, Texas, down in
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: the Bayou's ironically last named Conn.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Some of this stuff you just can't make up.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: Really, yeah, yeah, and all they were like, yeah, he's
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: my bigfoot hunting buddy. The brother who was kind of
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: at the thread that connected from the mastermind actually got
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: interviewed about the very first jackpot went out in Colorado
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: by an FBI agent while he's in the hospital with
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: two broken legs from falling out of a tree while
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: bigfoot hunting. Wow, yeah, these guys are indeed, they're in
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: deep crazy story.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Well did this go to a jury?
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: It did when we only had we only knew of
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: the one Iowa ticket. So interesting wrinkle here. You know
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: you got your right to speedy trial. Ladies and gentlemen,
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: if you've been charged with the crime, you got your
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: right to speedy trial. In Iowa, you can have a
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: ninety day speedy trial rule. Normally the federal rules is
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: a year, but you can demand it in ninety days.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: And this was a case that had kind of been
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: around for a long time. It got handed to me.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: We did a little we pushed a little bit on
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: the investigation, got some good stuff, and then suddenly realized
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: that we got to indict this guy once we found
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: him out. We released the video of him purchasing the
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: tickets and got some good tips actually from a guy
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: in Maine. But we uh, not a big foot hunter,
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: not a big foot hunter, no, but a guy that
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: knew the mastermind was like that, Saidie Tipton.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Huh.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: So we had to indict him real quick. And then
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: he demanded speedy trial under the Iowa rule for ninety days.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: So we had this sense at that point where like, Okay,
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: this guy works at the Multi Say Lottery Association. It's
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: his job to write the program that picks winning numbers,
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: and here we have him buying and ticket. This thing's
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: obviously rigged. We have no hard evidence, we don't have
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: the computer. Right, it's all circumstantial case. And so of
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: course we're thinking multi SA lottery associations running games in
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: thirty eight states and provinces. This can't be the only one.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: But he demands speedy trial, and so we go to trial.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: We have a jury trial, We pick the jury the
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: day we start evidence. CBS This Morning covers this trial
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: says they got some computer expert on this guy's got
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: a pretty the defendant, he's got a pretty powerful argument
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: for a reasonable doubt because they don't have that hard evidence.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: We won anyway, and then we're waiting for sentencing. It's
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: like a six week wait. You do this, there's a
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: pre sentenced investigation, so the Department of Corrections can make
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: a recommendation to the judge. While we're waiting, I get
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: a phone call from Texas and I recognize the area
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: code is his area code? Just my phone rings in
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: my cubicle. Answer the phone, Hey us, this Rob saying, yeah,
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: do y'all know the Adie Tipton's.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Brother won the lottery?
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: No? Yeah, maybe about ten years ago out west somewhere,
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: maybe a Colorado. I did not know that, Thank you,
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: And so the investigation. Then now we've got the tip
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: that we kind of needed to go to other state
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: lotteries that we technically don't have any you know, we
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: can't tell them give me this. But now we've got
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: some information, we can really go to them and say
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: you probably need to give us this, and they've got
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: a reason to do it. So investigation went on from there.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Did another state win up n Avingham or did you
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: guys get the who gets to host him?
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: It was interesting he served his time in Iowa. We
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: had great cooperation and really important work from the Wisconsin
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: Attorney General's office, David Moss up there and Joeanne Joy
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: credit to them a prosecutor and an investigating agent. And
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: then out in Colorado, Rob I think his name was
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: Rob Shapiro at the AG's office there they agreed, they
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: decided to do a prosecution. They didn't have much role
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: in the investigation, but Joanne and David really helpful. So
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: this is probably we think this is probably the biggest
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: multi state plea agreement since the founding of federal law enforcement.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: Because we couldn't get the fence to take the case.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Is he in the who'scow? Now?
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: Who they went?
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Now? Is he in jail? Locked up?
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: No, and now he's out, he's sort of like four
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: and a half years.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, in now he has to he's my understanding, has
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: still got his sentence hanging over his head in Wisconsin.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Got it. So if he doesn't make good on his restitution,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: which he better start doing, I think they can haul
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: him in in Wisconsin and throw him back in. But
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: he's down in Texas and he's probably playing lottery. I mean,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: they'll win the restitution money. He might know what numbers
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: to pick. I don't want I want to tell you
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: about something. I don't want this take up too much time.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: But do you hear about these dudes in Texas that
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: just did that. They won the lottery, but they won
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: it far and square. They these mathematicians, they kind of
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: it's a global network.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: Was this the serial number thing? Like they figured out
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: a clue in the serial number? No?
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, they it's a global network. Or these
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: mathematician guys, and they just watch sweep steaks, raffles, giveaways, lotteries.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: They watch them for vulnerabilities. So interesting in Texas they
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: realize that you could, if you're a business, you can
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: get your own lottery machine for tickets. I did see this.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: So they just rent offices all over to state. They
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: don't open any businesses because it's not part of the thing.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: You just need an address. They rent offices over to state.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: They get their own lotto machines. They wait till the
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: jackpot gets to a certain bit and where they know
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: their expected value hits the This is the time, friends, families,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: they are like, they're banking on they have it have
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: to be that. They can't be a split jackpot. Yep.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: If it's a split jackpot, they break, even if they're
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: the sole winner. They clear tens of millions of dollars. Yeah,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: and so they would. They would wait till it hit
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: that amount. There's actually and then they got seventy two
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: hours or something like that.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: There's another story that's similar out of Michigan. Matter of fact,
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: Jerry and Marge go large. Oh, Jerry and Marge. Jerry
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: was some Michigan guy who just had a real head
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: for numbers and he noticed some pattern and some game
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: in Michigan and basically did the same thing.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: There's there was.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: It started with a newspaper or sorry, a magazine article,
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: and then it got turned into a movie. Oh great movie. Yeah,
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: they ran Michigan or not.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: And they had seventy two hours, kids, wives, everybody. Yeah,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: they ran every number, imprementation possibly by yeah, and then
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: had a storage system. They do the draw, they go
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: into their little thing like here's the ticket, right, they're
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: passing a lot like and I and as the last
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: I knew, everyone looked at it every which way looking
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: for why that's illegal. Yeah, as far as I know,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: it's not. Yeah. So now that now, the Texas legislature
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: is like changing their rules to make it that.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: You can't do that, and they're all mad and they're
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: trying to make it look like these people screwed up
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: because there are a bunch of politicians who don't want
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: to admit that they wrote stupid rules for a game that. Yeah,
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: these guys like we won far and square. Yeah, they
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: just how smart them. They're like, dude, you wrote these rules.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: We read the rules that you wrote, we played the
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: game according to the rules.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Don't be mad at me, Eddie. That's right, that's right.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: Eddie actually put a little extra code in there that
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: made it made it predictable. So that's why that's the difference.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: That's why he went to prison. And these people got
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: a bunch of money.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: These people get to hang out. Yeah yeah, all right,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: one last thing then we're going to I got to
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: order in my head. Yeah yeah. So we talked about
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: the when you we're doing that Department of what it's
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: called again, like yeah, I was.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I was assistant Attorney general and prosecute atorney
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: general some violent crime, but the focus was financial crime.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: And then you're now the state auditor.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: That's right. That's an elected position elected in Iowa. Yeah,
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: so it's a mix in different states. Easiest way to
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: understand it is it's like closest thing to taxpayers watchdog.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: So we audit tax spenders, not tax payers.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Give me an example of a tax spender, the state
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: of the state government, Highway Department, dot, Department of Education.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: If a county or a city or a school district
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: hires us for their annual audit, we do their audit,
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: and then we do special investigations under certain circumstances.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Got it is that a competitive field if you go
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: to try to get elected.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: Well sure, I mean, at the end of the day,
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: anytime you got a race, Iowa was still the at
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: its heart is a fairly competitive state that doesn't mean
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: that every race is competitive, but when you're looking statewide,
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: you know it can go either way.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: So most people will run against you reason for a
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: period it's time. My mother was the treasurer of her
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: township thirty six square miles, all right, big chunk of ground.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: I'm betting she didn't have a lot of competition for that.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: She would sometimes it would be that no one would
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: run against it, yep, which makes it very easy to win.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: That's that's much better. Yeah, I would prefer that. That
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: would be great. I could actually spend a lot more
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: time hunting and hanging out with my kids. So you
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: won that, Yeah, four years, re elected in twenty two.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: And to your point, when I won in eighteen, that
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: was the first time in Iowa and in thirty six years,
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: which I think was my life. Basically I was thirty
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: six at the time, but basically the first time in
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: my life that a statewide incumbent Republican lost to a
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: Democratic challenger. So as auditor as no, for any state
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: wide I think any statewide office. We tend to re
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: elect our incumbents in Iowa. There's exceptions, but yeah, and.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: We were talking about running for governor and we're not
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: going to get into this X. We're a top about
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: deer good running for governor. It's it's this is the
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: first time in some long period of time that it's
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: an open race.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, first time. Let's see basically since first time in
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: twenty years.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: God, yep, yep.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: So it was, uh, you'll going back to people on
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: the inside. One of the things that kind of made
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: me push to do it was so we uncovered a
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: record amount of mispent money in my first term I
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: get re elected. The response to Democrats and Republicans and
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: independence in Iowa re electing me was the legislature and
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: the governor passed the law so that state agencies can
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: hide evidence of misspent tax dollars from our office, can
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: hide I understand, I know, because why would you ever
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: do that? Right, that's wrong, it's bad. Yes, that's what
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: they did.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: But help me understand, Like, what's the argument for hiding evidence?
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: Oh well, oh, that's that's the argument you got to make.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: You gotta have words come out of your mouth. It's
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: all bs, the words that would coming out of their mouth.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: We're oh, well, we're trying to protect your privacy, got it?
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: Privacy for waste fright and abuse of my tax dollars.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: I don't want privacy for that.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: Every every government watchdog in the country that weighed in
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: on this law, Democrats, Independence, Republicans, they were all like, don't, don't,
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: don't do this. This is terrible. You're going to see
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: an increase in waste of tax dollars if you pass
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: this law. They passed it anyway because they because they
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: saw that we were like, you know, doing the job,
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: and they were like, hey, he's making he's letting people
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: know what's happening. We can't have that.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Got it. So but then you wont after that, No,
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: I got re elected. Then they did that, So that
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: made the job less fun. Oh.
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: I mean we're about to do something important. We're about
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: to tell people a big deal. We're trying to hold
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: people cutable. And they're like, h we don't want you
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: to look at that. Oh, well, what am I doing here?
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Then? Huh?
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: There was a there was I remember one of the
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: quotes from someone who was like on the Government Oversight
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: Committee for the American Institute CPAs was like, if you
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: pass this law, you may as well make it so
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: you don't have a state auditor.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Oh. That's what they did, and that's what they're like, that's
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: what we mean. Yeah, they were like, perfect, let's pass
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: this sucker. That's just the endorsement they wanted. Huh yeah yeah.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: So yeah, job suddenly became less interesting, less fun. I really,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is a piece of this is rooted
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: in my faith. My faith, as those stories mentioned, very
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: important to me. One of the stories that always stuck
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: out to me in as a kid was Jesus flipping
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: over the tables of the money changers in a temple,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: people in a position of trust and power right who
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: were abusing that trust and power. And I love the
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: work I was doing as a prosecutor, going after corrupt
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: public officials, corrupt financial advisors who prey on people's trust right,
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: who use their position to get more for themselves. I
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: love the work of holding people accountable who are in
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: charge of tax dollars, making sure that they knew that
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: someone was looking at them and didn't care about the
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: power that they had, but cared about whether or not
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: they were doing the right thing. And then you change
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: that law and you take that away, and it's like, well,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: I don't want to do this anymore, and it makes
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: it all the more important to say. Sounds like we
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: need a new governor, someone who's going to give the
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: auditor their power back and do a bunch of other
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: good stuff at the same time. That's kind of the idea.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Let's jump into deer please. That's a sealed deal. That's
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: what sealed deal. Yeah, he got a really big buck
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: in an urban hunting program. Yes, yes, boom done, So
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: explain it. So you're in des Moines, yep, Okay, what
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: is the urban hunting program in des Moin?
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: What I can tell you of it. I've been doing
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: it for I think thirteen years. And many Iowa municipalities
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: have got an urban hunting program because we got big
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: white tail over the state and you know, they're eating
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: people's hostas and all that, and you always get a
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: divide on the people who want you to take them
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: and don't. But most cities have got a program bow
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: hunting only you got to shoot from an elevated position
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: so that your arrow's going into the ground, be in
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: a stand. You have to take an annual every single year.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: You got to repass your marksmanship test so that they
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: always know is.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: It a serious test?
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: It's not super I would call it a proficiency people
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: called it proficiency test. So it's like ten arrows from
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: fifteen yards and ten arrows from twenty yards at a
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: nine inch target. It's not hard, got it? And they
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: don't want you to take shots beyond about twenty five yards.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: So yeah, like if someone said, hey, is he a
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: good shot? And you said it's proficient, proficient, Yeah, yeah,
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: that feels right. Yeah, you know what you're doing, and
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: tell me to get so ten shots ten I think
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: it's ten from twenty yards and ten from fifteen yards
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: at a nine inch target?
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Got it? And you got to hit do you gotta
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: do a background check and all that.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: I don't think if you had to do a background
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: check it would have been maybe at the beginning. You
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: do have to take a bow hunter's safety course at
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: one point in your life, which is awesome because I
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: did that when I was like fourteen, and so when
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: I found out about the Urban Hunting Program and it
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: was like already November the first year, I was like,
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: I gotta do what now? And I was like, oh, man,
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: I did that? Hey Dad, didn't I do that? Isn't
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: that class you made me take?
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Great?
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: Now I just got to go find my certificate. Okay,
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: but once you do that, so then so then it's
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: an incentive program. But but the landowners are participating, they
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: have to participate. Obviously there are parks and stuff. There
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: are parks, and there's a system for doing the park hunting.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: I've always done private land hunting, either our backyard or
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: somebody I know. And then for this one, I locked.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: I knocked a lot of doors. But yeah, there's parks.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: What else do I need to add here? It's an
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: incentive system. So every year to get a urban buck
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: tag in the city of Des Moines, you got to
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: take three antlerless year.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: The year before. Man, that's earn a buck on steroids. Yeah, yeah,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: there's and it's different for because they're trying to lower
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: numbers and they don't want a lot of they don't
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: want a lot of funny business. Yeah that's right. And
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: they don't want big buck hunters flocking in.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: No, they it's a it's a very like you got
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: to you got to earn that urban tag for a
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: antlered buck.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: Okay, so twenty twenty four and it resets I gather.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: Yes, and it doesn't get that gets you into the lottery. Now,
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: most years. Oh, if you're in the lottery, most lottery, Yeah,
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: most years. If you're in you if you get the
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: three and you make it into the lottery, you will
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: get an urban buck tag. God, but you're not guaranteed.
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: You may not. And so most years I've gotten one,
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: but there's other years where you don't.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: And how are you showing that you got the three deer?
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: You have to check them in. So it used to
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: be in person and then I don't remember if it
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: was COVID or not, but they switched it to an
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: online system. You got to you got to fill out
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: your tag, you got to do your time, and you
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: gotta submit photographs too, so that they have some certainty
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: that this is a fresh, unique deer each time.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Got it. So the first year participating in the urban hunt,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: no chance for bucks. You got to do your three doughs.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, yep.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and uh And this year a guy sent
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: me a picture I'd put a post up. I was like, hey,
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: I'm uh, I'd never done that before. Usually just hunted
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: where hunted. Hey, I'm looking for a big buck in
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: des Moine. I've got my urban buck tag. If you
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: know anyone, let me know if you.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Know anyone that has a big bug I neighborhood, if
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: you've seen a big buck in your neighborhood, let me know.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: And this guy had met at a party like ten
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: or fifteen years ago.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: That's one of those ones where you're like, it's so stupid,
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: it might work, yeah exactly, because like, well, who would
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: want to tell another guy about a big buck?
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: And that's the thing.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: But it might be just a guy that doesn't care.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: Yes, well, and a lot of these people are like
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: that that that buck's eating my hostas.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that buck, this that the other. Because if I
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: did an all company email, yeah yeah, And I said,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: if anyone knows about large buck exactly, let me know, right,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to get replies. Yeah, but this is
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: the city of Des Moines. People want you to take
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: a deer, right and uh, A lot of people are
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: just like yeah, here you go. Now there's not that many.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: There's now most of the hunters that are in the
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: program who knew of this buck were like, hey, man,
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: good for you. I did a lot of work, so
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: he gave me one. I had one picture, man, I
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: hoofed it.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: But there's no way the buck is only using one property.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Oh no, he's he's all over. There are other people
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: that knew of him.
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: Actually the guy that measured him and and he this
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: is green measure. He measured two nine.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so and he'd fill that is very very big.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, maybe we wait, should we.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: Should? Well? Which which photo?
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: Or are we looking at the ones in the in the.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Dock, live live maybe trail.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: In the autumn and the autumn of his life.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: That's actually the picture he sent me.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: That's literally the one he's like, Hey, this one lives
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: by me and so and so when I when I
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: when I came to and picked myself up up the
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: floor and looked again at that buck. He' said yeah,
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't want to waste your time,
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: but like this buck's hanging around, so it seems kind
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: of nice.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, describe. I mean that just looks like a tang.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're if you're listening, main mainframe ten pointer.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: In this picture, you can see a one big drop
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: time and a second smaller brow time which you can't
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: see in this picture is actually a second drop coming
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: off of that same g one go yeah, and he
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: and and What's the funny thing in the picture is
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: he looks young, but it's because his rack is so
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: huge and he's in velvet, so you know, there's always
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: a little shrinkage, but not that much.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: When he when the guy reaches out. When the guy
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: reaches out, yeah, well, first off, how far I'm not
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: familiar with des Moies. Like what he says, it's in
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: this area. This is an area you.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, yeah, I'm like, where do you live?
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: He gives me his address, like thank you. You know,
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: have you seen him other places? He's like no, I
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: think he's only seen him once or twice. And from
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: that point I just go to work.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: It's just this, This is scouting. It's just more complicated
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: when each postage stamp is another landowner. So I'm on
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: on X, I'm looking at where he lives. I'm looking at,
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: you know, topography, and figured out if I was a
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: buck over there, where would I go?
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: And I go.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: I knocked doors, just cold knocked on people's doors. I
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: called people if I could get their phone numbers, just
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: called them up. Hey, my name is Rob. There's an
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: urban bow hunting program in de Moining to help.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Population controls all your prosecutor training. That's right.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm just opening with a story, you know, just
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: letting them know why I'm calling. And I'm wondering if
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: you're interested. I've been in the program for thirteen years.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: It's never any issues for anybody. But I'm looking to
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: hunt in your area, and I'm wondering if you'd be
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: interested in letting me hunt on your property. Happy to
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: answer all your questions. Some of the average acreage, oh
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: these houses, I means than less than an acre for
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: a lot of them, now a handful of them more
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going out in the evenings
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: and knocking. I'm making phone calls. Some people are yes,
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: some people are now. Occasionally people know me. Like one
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: guy actually had my yard sign in his yard, so
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: I was like, okay, my odds here.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But then on the other hand, there were folks
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: to you but yeah, I'll not hear about that, but
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: thank you for putting my yard signed up.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: He's like, rap, sand, you're knocking my door. I was like, well, yes,
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: I am knocking your door, but you'll be surprised as
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: to why. And I'm setting up cameras, you know, trying
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: to figure out where where this guy is zero zeroing in.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: And I had other people say, man, if I was
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: gonna let anybody hunt here, i'd let you. I'm with you,
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: But I'm not gonna let you hunt here, you know.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: So it's just it totally depends, totally depends. Some couples,
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: you know, you'd have the wife would be the one
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: who's like, no, don't hunt your other couples is a
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: husband be the one who's like, no, we don't. I
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: don't want you to hunt here.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: And so I'm just I'm I'm I'm hitting out, I'm
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: striking out here, I'm hitting singles here, setting up cameras
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: zeroing in over the course of probably six weeks and
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: summer time. Are you ever driving around and see.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: It one time? Not driving but well, okay, I'm i'm am,
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: I'm on my bike. I'm either on my because I
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: would take bike rides in the neighborhood to scout. It
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: was bikeable from my house, and so I'd get on
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: my bike and instead of going east like I might
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: normally do, I'd go west and just bike around and
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: be like ooh, because you know, there's stuff you can't
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: see on on X you don't know, and you can
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: see the path and all that. So but one time
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: I drove into a property. I was going to go
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: knock the door, and I look over there and there's
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: one of the guys in his bachelor group, one of
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: the other bucks. Oh yeah, And so I was, you know,
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: hair on the back of my neck. It's like, all right, right,
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: we're in the right spot here. We're making progress. So
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: by the time we get to opening day, I got
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: three properties where I've had him moving in the daylight
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: on camera. What's opening day September sixteenth, something like that,
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: like middle of September, and I set up there's it's
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: been a southerly wind. So I set up on one
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: where I like my chances. I got permission from two
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: adjoining property owners. That's great because that means I can
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: be sitting in one, but it's a small property, so
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: I can shoot into the other. This is very helpful
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: because they both signed the document. You got to get
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: it signed document if you're doing private land.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: I got an interrupt the story to say, well, clarifying question, Yeah,
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: what are the retrieval rules here?
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: You know, it's it's just it's be so careful that
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: the rules. Well, so technically speaking, in state of Iowa,
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: if you have an animal that you have taken, you
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: have you have legal capacity to take the most direct
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: line to that animal across someone else's property. Now you
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: ask law enforcement about that, and smart law enforcement. I'll
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: tell you. Please ask. It's not that you have to
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: ask permission. Just tell them. We don't want some we
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: don't want altercations. We don't want someone out there with
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: a gun being like, what are you doing on my property?
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: So proper courtesy, best practice, knock on somebody's door. Now
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: I've been I've been lucky. I have never had to
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: I've never had an issue with that. You do got
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: to let folks know that you're hunting there, if you're
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: if you're like next door, and so a lot of
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: these folks when I would call them and be like, hey,
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: I'm going to be hunting in your neighborhood. You know
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: I'm interested also in hunting on your property. So there's
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: a notification.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: In all these years though, I mean, when you shoot,
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: you have to put the arrow. I noticed that, Yeah,
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: there's an arrow. There's a mark on that buck where
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: that mark is supposed to be. But that's got to
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: be a real thing. Yeah yeah, yeah, you know you
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: can't be chasing them three hundred yards.
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: No, you got to be careful.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So go on where were we you were?
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: You had two properties, shoot onto the other one.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because I got adjoining landowners, they both so
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: to do private you got to have them sign a document,
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: you know, the city's official document. The city's got to
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: come out and inspect the property and say like, okay,
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: these distances, separation requirements. Everything's good, all right, Yeah, yeah,
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: they're well. I mean I was hunting not far. You know,
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: this is urban hunting, right, Like the guys at Seek one,
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: you know they talk about about this. You got all
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: these new variables. Dogs, right, I've had dogs chase away
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: a buck before. You got people out there on a
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: walk in a park. You could have a biker out
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: there if you're in a park. And so they're real
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: careful about where people go. So opening day, I go
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: out that first full weekend, I sit Saturday twice, I
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: sit Sunday twice. Sunday morning, two minutes into hunting light,
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: I've been in my stand for forty five minutes.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: There is is that him? Is it him?
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: And you know like, you know how when you're right
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: at hunting light, it's like, if you're in a field, great,
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: plenty of light, but if you're in the woods, still
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: not there. And because remember I mentioned I had seen
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: his buddy in his bachelor group, the buddy in his
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: bachelor group had one of the same drop times, narrower frame,
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: shorter times, but close enough that at two minutes into
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: hunting light under a bunch.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Of oak trees, I'm like, is it him? Is it him? God?
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: And I wait and I wait, and I probably wait
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: three minutes. That's probably all it takes for me to
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: be like, it's him. And by the time i'm drawn,
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: he's out of range.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: So that's that. Oh, it was him. It was him.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: It was him.
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: But I'm waiting because if I it was the buddy.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: Wasn't You were worried about the looklike buddy.
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: I was worried about the look like buddy because I noticed, Okay,
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: this looks like him. It's a it's a big mature
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: You wanted to make sure it was not, Yeah, because
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: there is no you get your one, you know, and
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: I didn't want to screw this up.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: And you paused, and there goes your opportunity.
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, which I'm glad I did it. Yeah, you know,
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: but there he went. So what A week later, I'm
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: setting up a stand on another property and I turn
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: around in the areas so I freeze, can't move. I'm
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: there for ten minutes. Finally he just wanders away. And
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: so I had two sightings on him, and then the
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: next and then so let's see, So the first two weekends,
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: I'm out literally, I'm sitting Saturday till noon, lunch break,
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: hang out with my family, my family a little bit,
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: go out, sit for the afternoon into the evening both
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: Saturday and Sunday, skipping church. Lord forgive me. Uh October
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: then and then I see him twice in that timeframe.
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: And then like this first weekend in October, there's this
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: cold front coming in. I'm like, all right, this is it.
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: And I'm running for governor. By the way, at the
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: same time, I'm doing one hundred public town halls, one
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: in every single county across the state. And as this
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: cold front is coming in, by the way, I'm sitting,
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: I'm getting him on camera. Steve, it's eighty five degrees.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: But why are you already running for governor?
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: Then?
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: How long you got to run find isn't that stupid?
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: Eighteen months?
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: You run for governor for eighteen months.
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: I wasn't even the first person in the race, but yeah,
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: campaigns are that long these days.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're running for governor hunting.
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: I'm running for governor hunting and doing my day job
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: and trying to be a dad and a husband. Yeah,
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: some days are better than others. But you know, I'm
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: doing all these town halls all across the states. I
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: travel a lot, and here comes this cold front. Finally,
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: because again, this buck, this is a two hundred nine
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: inch buck. He's moving in eighty five degree heat. I've
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: got him on camera, you know. And so I'm out
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: there just sweating, sitting at my stand, praying that I'll
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: be in the shade because if the sun hits me,
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: it's over. But finally we get this cold front coming in,
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, Okay, this is it because I got
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: basically a day to hunt this cold front. After that,
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: I'm on the road and what I'm thinking is, you know,
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: I know there's other people who are looking for this buck.
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: I bet I've been. This is part of the reason
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: I'm hunting so hard, because if I don't get him.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: When this cold front hits, he's probably going to be
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: moving more and someone else is going to put their
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: tag on him, which good for them if that's what happens,
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: Good for them. But I'm working hard when By the way,
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: I've never done much early season hunting before big fan
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: now because you can go out after work and you
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: still got two hours of daylight. Oh, which one of
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: the cool things about urban hunting. No, it's not like
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: dark at five o'clock. Yeah, and your commute to your
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: standards five minutes, so you're just like, all right, well,
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: drive over there and climb up. There's one property that
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: I hunt where i'm I'm I drive into a parking
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: lot at like a printing chop, and there's this chunk
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: of woods over there, and I just drive in back
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: park in the back corner, and I walk about thirty
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: yards and I'm in my tree. Can see your car, Yeah,
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: I can see my car. I can see people come
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: out for their smoke brakes. You know, like all these
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: different variables that just make the urban stuff a little
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: bit more complicated.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: You got to do an episode urban Hunting Station.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: It's it's it's a trip. I mean yeah, I'd have Yeah,
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: it's a trip. I'd like, dude, I'd be nerve. I'd
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: be it'd be nerve wracking. I I'd be all all
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: I'd be sitting there is being like, man, I don't
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: want to trail the deer all through the neighborhood. I
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: do know a guy.
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: I do know a guy I used to work with
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: who was at the Attorney General's office who had a
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: bad experience where somebody did not have fantastic arrow placement. Yeah,
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: and the and the deer, I think with an arrow
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: and it came into his backyard. But that is I've
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: been doing this urban program, I think for thirteen years.
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: That's actually the only story I know. God of a
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: bad thing.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because probably people take it. They're so aware of
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: the problem they probably self limit. Yeah.
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and everyone who's in this program, it's a it's
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: a cool thing to be able to do. And so
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: we're we're careful, you know. So cold front. It's raining.
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: I go out in the morning, it's raining, I soak
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: through my boots. I come in for midday break, go
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: back out, put on my insulated boots instead, climb back up.
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: It's and then it just opens up it's dump and rain.
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, he's not gonna move in this kind
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: of weather. So climb out thirty yards to my truck
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: in this in this guy's driveway. Sit in my truck
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: for forty five minutes. It lightens up. It's still raining,
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: but it lightens up. I'm like, all right, we got
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: forty five minutes. Here, go back out there, climb back up.
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm sitting there for ten minutes to look up.
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: There he is, and what's you do rubbing? And I'm like, okay,
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: here we go. It's still it's still it's still coming down,
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: but it's not it's not terribly heavy. And the angle
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: he's at, the spot he's at, I have to get.
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: I'm in this really unique tree that like juts out,
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: and so I have my climbing sticks up to here
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: and then I can stand here even though the tree
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: keeps going one I'm like, I need to get lower.
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: So I get onto my top climbing stick and I
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: take like I take like two steps down. I'm at
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: full draw and I slip. Now I do saddle hunting,
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: and so I'm always trying to keep my weight in
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: my saddle and so instead of falling, I just twist
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: out around the tree.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, gotcha at full draw. I'm just I'm just on
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: a ride, because yes, yes, I'm just on this really
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: exciting ride.
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: And uh, I quit swinging. I bumped the tree, but
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: it's rating and I didn't make much noise because again
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: there's no hook. My weight is already in the saddle. Yeah,
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: it's kind of swing out. I stop swinging. I let down.
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: I just get myself back onto my climbing stick. I
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: look over. He's still rubbing. No idea draw, that's it.
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: Forty yards yeah, still raining. So and the best part
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: about this because you go back to, you know, the
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: importance of just your hunting in an urban area. You
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: really don't want to upset people. Yeah, yeah, I'm hunting
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: at a property where the driveway has a retaining wall
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: that backs up to it, so I can back my
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: pickup up, lower the tailgate, and without having to field
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: dressed the deer in the rain out in the sky's yard,
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: just drag him in like a loading bay, yes, a
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: literal loading bay for two hundred nine inch bucks. And
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: then words, you head my dad's place. He got me
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: into hunting. It was pretty cool to take that take
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: him over, and I you know, I've been like, well,
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: I mean Grant too. But like there were people that
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: I was texting about this buck, like I was going hard.
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: I've never and I'm not a this is the first
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: time really that I had like a People say, you know,
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: target buck. I've never really had like a target buck.
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: I'll kind of I'm I might set up some cameras
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: kind of see who's around and be like, oh, I'd
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: shoot that if I saw it. But I'm not naming things.
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: You know, I usually go out in November, I'm busy.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: What'd you name him? Be honest with you. He didn't
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: have a name. No, now is just like the buck.
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean his name now is two o nine.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: But but like you know, my dad, it was one
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: of the people I'm texting with right, Like he got
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: me into bow hunting when I was a teenager. And
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: it was really cool to be able to pull up
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: that picture that you've got up there is we are
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: in his driveway, you know.
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: And uh it was, and so my dad and I
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: are just flipping out. We get to that's the family history. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: and my dad so he my dad's the first generation hunter.
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: I'm almost certain like he might. He might have done squirrel.
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: And obviously you go back enough generations and everybody's doing it.
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: But my grandpa, Bob, his dad wasn't a bow hunter anyways,
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: wasn't it wasn't a deer hunter. But my dad got
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: me into bow hunting and we'd go out and do squirrel.
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: We do a lot of fishing together too, But it
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: was a pretty cool thing to share that with him.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: So did you just grab that thing and just drag
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: it over to the retaining wall? Yes, and just out
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: of there quick. Yeah.
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: Rain, it's raining. I'm wet. I don't want to be
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: out here any longer than I have to. And and
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, you think about this stuff and it's like, look,
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: you're gonna leave a gut pile out in a guy's property.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: No, you don't want to, might you? Yeah?
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: But when I can just do this, then I don't
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: have to worry about it.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah. I think discreet is the way.
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: To go, especially if you want to get permission again
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: for next year, you know.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to jump something for listeners. Before we
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: started recording, Rob saying here shared with me that he
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: well he could share with you your tax during your plan,
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: which I think is not good.
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: But oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I want the taxidermist and
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: I'm open minded. But I shot this thing in the
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: rain and that if you look at that picture, it's
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: that you know, the rack's got a nice shine on it,
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: and I talked to the taxidermist about making it look
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: like that when it's done, like kind of like a
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: lacquer on it to give it a shine. Steve thinks
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: that's a dumb idea.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: Really, you can't. You'd be corrupting it. You can't paint
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: the antlers. Well, like maybe you could rub a little
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: what's that stuff that when your mom when you're like
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: a little kid, your mom would sprayed on the wood
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: furniture old English, Oh like whatever, spray the wood furniture. Yeah,
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: with an aerosol can. Yeah, I mean maybe now and
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: then a touch, but it's you don't want to generate
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: your children. Yeah, child, what in the world is all
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: over the antlers.
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: In that picture?
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: There's a nice shine And they'll take there's a nice
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: shine the laquer paint. They're not gonna because it was raining. No,
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: they'll know the answer. They'll know the answer. So I'll
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: just be the you lackrit it and it was dumb.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: I had I had one buck with a big Roman nose,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: and I had him recreate the Roman nose.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: I I just to me that it's not when when
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: you when you do a shoulder mount. It's not just
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: this is that deer, but it's this is that moment.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: And I always like to tell people, by the way,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: you want to see the rest of them.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: Come on into the State Auditor's office. I like to
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: call it the public sector Cabella's. You walk in and
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: you're like, oh, a lot of deer in here, and
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: a buffalo, then a turkey. But to me, that mount
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: is like if you can have it, be that moment
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: and bring that moment back, that's that's unique.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: You know. An argument you could be laying on me
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: that I would buy, h huh is if you were
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: saying to me, listen, man, it's my buck. That's how
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: I want it. Oh yeah, because that's how I remember it. Yeah,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: but I'm stuck thinking about posterity. Yeah, future generations being
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: why grample the deer, that's right.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: That's right, have like a spray bottle and every now
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: and then.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: Just moist like a plant, like a plant.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: Yes, now that you say to your friends, you say
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: your friends or future generations just say, hey, you want
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: to see what it looked like when I shot it,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: and it just spreads.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: Hey, I'll tell me. I'll tell my son world, I'll
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: tell my sons. Hey, buddy, you got to water the
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: plants and the buck and the two O nine.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: I love that because everybody wants to see what it
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: looked like when I got it in the rain. I
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: love that. I love that idea. Yeah, that's the idea.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: You know, we'll see they haven't tried it before, and
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: One of the things I was thinking about when with
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: uh Brooklyn sitting here is like, how much do you practice?
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: I need to find somebody who's willing to just just
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: runry dry run in that before I do it on
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: that one.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, they can just take some other little sheds
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: or take some racks and try to figure out a
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: good right John Hayes Bill help you with that. I
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: don't know who that Hayes tax urmy studio. All right,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: all right, if you want to drive it here and
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: very far from here, it's a wrong direction. It's a
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: scovil Taxidermy Scovel Taxadermy and Warren County, Iowa. He's in
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: the same state, but he's real far away right here, right,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: all right? If you factor in so, factor in uh,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: factor in people that would be jealous, factor in people
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: that would be just uncomfortable or opposed to hunting, and
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: then factor in people that would just love it that
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: you got that buck. Yeah, yeah, just getting the big buck.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: If you had the way out in your head like
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: here I am, I'm running for covenor. Is getting the
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: big buck net positive or net negative? Because a lot
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: of guys are gonna be like, he don't deserve that
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: big buck. That's right, I should have gotten that big buck.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: I'm not voting for him. There is a guy that
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: definitely was was definitely saying that. One guy definitely saying that,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: and some people are like, how could he hurt that
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: beautiful thing? Correct? I just literally replied to somebody about that.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: I'm threads today, Okay, you know, I was like, how
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: could you do this? I mean, it's one thing if
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: you're eating it, but you're just hunting from now. The
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: law in the state of Iowa literally is you have
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: to you can't waste the meat.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: It's just there's an sounding level of lack of curiosity
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: right about hunting, you know this, like people who just
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: don't know like you, you have to you have to
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: eat the animal. It's literally the law in the state
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: of Iowa. People don't know that salvage requirements yep, that too,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: that too. I don't know how it breaks down to me.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: I love hunting. I like to talk about things that
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: I love. My social media presence, whatever channel you're on,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: it's probably robsand Ia, although I think on TikTok it's
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: Rob's hand Iowa. But my social media presence is like
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: I am a human being. I will put up a
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: post about the brito that I had for lunch, I'll
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: put up a post about going hunting, and then I'm
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: gonna put up a post about how dumb it was
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: to make it so that the auditor can't look at
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: mispent tax money, you know, like it's it's just like
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: these are basically like me. They're my accounts, and I
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: understand that some people that might make them upset, but
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: like I'm not gonna I'm not gonna not be who
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: I am, are going to be who I am. And
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: if some people don't like it, that's okay, but other
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: people do. The other thing is and I kind of
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: like this. I love the idea of surprising people when
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: it comes to partisanship expectations. Yeah right, yeah, I like
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: that all that stuff you talked about, right, was like, Oh,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: look at this guy. He sounds like a Republican, but
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: he's a Democrat. Do you know what I sound those
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: descriptions to me? I'm like, that just sounds like somebody
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: from small town Iowa. Like a lot of people in
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: small town Iowa do that. Those values, those traditions, those
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: don't belong to a political party. And I love the
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: idea of being like out there is like, yeah, I
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: am a Democrat. Yeah, I do like to hunt.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: I'm also out there as someone who thinks that we
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: should end the special legal privileges of the Democratic and
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: the Republican parties. I've yet to hear a good reason
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: for why we are stuck having the lesser of two
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: evils on every freaking ballot and feeling like, well, you know,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: you've never done a thing for me, but boy, this
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: one I really don't like. So I guess I have
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: to vote for you, right, But uh, like I was.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: I was an independent when I first registered to vote.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: I realized not long after that that in Iowa to
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: vote in the primary, you have to join a party.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: It's a close it's called close. You got it, closed primary.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: Can I swear on this program? Yeah, like, don't say
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: anything crazy campaign. I just won't swear then. No, no, you
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: swear a little bits. That's a terrible idea. This is America.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: You're going to be like it was BS.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say I could have got that
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: is BS.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: Hogwash is good.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're telling me.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: That's the less common one for Iowa. We got a
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: lot of hogwash. We got less horse, Bucky.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: You're telling me in America, where we celebrate Independence Day,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: we're going to tell independent voters that they are less
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: equal and they don't get to participate in our democracy.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: That's hogwash, right, Yeah.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: But that's what it is.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: We have these we have these close primaries. Guys, we
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: have two private clubs that run the United States of America.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: That's what it is. It is absolutely wrong, and I
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: think we should change it.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: But I did.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: I registered as a Democrat because I think Jesus is
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: for the little guy and my perception, particular at the
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: time of the Democratic Party is that was the party
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: for the little guy. I'm trying to make it stay
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: that way. And I also remember Clinton when he was
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: president as a Democrat, balancing the budget and using the
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: surplus to in part to pay down the debt. And
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: I was like a teenager, and I just remember thinking, like, oh, thanks,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: because I don't have to pay for all that someday,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: you know. And those are the reasons basically that our
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: registered as a Democrat for the most part. Also, as
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: a guy that liked to hunt and fish, I was like, well,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: they want to keep the places I like to hunt
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: and fish clean and pure. And that's good too, but
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: that doesn't change the fact that, like, why should I
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: have to join a private club to exercise my sacred
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: right to vote?
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: That's messed up. Yeah, That's one of the thing I
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: talked about very when I talk about my own politics often,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: or I talk about sort of the politics of hunting
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: and fishing. Often describe a put it negatively, I'll say,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: you always have to be paranoid. Yeah. To put it positively,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: which I never do, it would be that each side
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: helps you out in some ways. That's right. But yes,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: when it comes to environmental protections, clean air, clean water,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: right habitat preservation, we find a lot of friends in
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: the Democratic Party. When it comes to acceptance support of
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: the culture of hunting, firearm rights, people that are kind
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: of like out there and proud of outdoor heritage, we
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: find a lot of friends in the Republican Party. But
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: at the same time, I just I don't want to
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: use the word hate. I do not like. I don't
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: like the two party system. And it's not even the
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: system that bugs me. What bugs me is the way
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: the system enforces itself. Yes, do you know what I mean?
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: The way you have to It drives people insane if
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: you don't take all your views and fit them into
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: the box.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: Get in the box.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: And when you see someone in the political world, when
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: you see them, it's it's painful to watch when you
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: see someone and they get to the point where they go, Man,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: I need to start pretending I think a thing I
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: don't think, because here I am in this complex world
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: and I need to BOXI five. So it's not it's
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: not even the parties I have a problem with. It's
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: not the two party system. I have a party with
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: I have a problem with how organized, and so there's.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: A there's a reinforcing culture around the two party system.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and I say that at every one of
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: my town halls, we go in hard on how broken
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: that system is because it tells us there's only two
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: ways to think to your point, Yeah, we know, that's ridiculous.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: There's literally five people in their room. That's five ways
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: to think right now. And so we start these things out,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: we do, you know, we say the system is broken.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: You've all been invited here to help change it. So
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: raise your hand. If you're a Republican, we clap for
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: the Republicans who are in attendance. Raise your hand. If
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: you're an independent voter, we clap for the independent voters
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: who are in attendance. And then say, I'm all big
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: on fairness, So let's clap for the Democrats too, right,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: And then let's prove to ourselves but also to everyone
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: else who wants us to hate each other, because then
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: we're easier to control. Let's prove to everyone that we all,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: despite our differences, can work together. Let's sing the first
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: verse of America, the beautiful Oh yeah, and so a
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: hundred times across the state of Iowa this year. We
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: did that. I don't lead it. The point is we
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: all sing. My microphone is like, you know, down by
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: my knees, and it's a wonderful moment for people to
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: just have this. Hold on a second, that's right. We
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: can just do this differently. Yeah, And usually by the
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: time that's over, there's one person in the audience you
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: can find who's having an experience, like feeling something right.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: That's what I want us to push towards. I mean,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: I look at what we did, what they did in
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: the state of Iowa, and I'm like, they literally are
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: so comfortable thinking that this is going to be one
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: party control forever that they passed the law that auditors
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: around the United States of all political persuasions said will
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: increase waste found abuse because they think they own this thing.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: You know, the two party system fundamentally is broken. And
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: you pick an issue, right, could be water quality, could
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: be Second Amendment. Part of the issues around that issue
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: are where they are, and they are the magnitude that
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: they are because the incentive in the political system is
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: for people to throw bombs at each other and have
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: a food fight instead of actually sitting down and saying, hey,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: let's figure out how we're going to solve this problem.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: And if you break down those special legal privileges that
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: the Democratic and the Republican parties have and you give
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: us a real market for political candidates, we'll start to
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: see changes where we are in more control. We the
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: people are in more control of the politicians rather than
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: feeling like we're sort of stuck into supporting them. Yeah,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: that's my number one thing. Any other issue gets fixed
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: more easily when you have as system that's actually responsive
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: to the people.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: What does it look like when you're doing this as
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: you as you campaign, I'm not I'm not even clear
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: on how you guys haven't got to the primary yet,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: no next June. How many people are in that there's
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: a Well, we'll.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: Find out because the the qualifying for the ballot thing
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: like filing your paperwork to get on the ballot for
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: the primary, happens in like February February March. So maximum three,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: one of them.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: Is maximum three.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: Well, who have announced, oh there could be any number
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: three on the Democratic side have announced. One's a nice
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: guy named Paul that's announced for many offices. And I'm
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: not sure that he's ever collected enough signatures.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: The others a lovely nady named Julie that I've known
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: for years and I think the world of and and
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: then there's me, got it.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And so this all plays out in November, so
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: so primary in June and then yeah, same data as
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: the midterms for the for the the election.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: And then on the Republican side, there's five candidates over there,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: I think, yeah, close to five.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: Five. Krinn sent me a thing where you draw you
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: were drawing a distinction between politics and public service. Yes,
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: what's you take on that?
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: Well, it's kind of the piece of what we're talking
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: about here, right is, you know, politics is passing a
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: law that everybody who's an expert in auditing degrees is
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: going to make it harder to find misspent money public services.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: The six Republicans and the Iowa House that voted against that,
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: despite the fact that their party wanted them to support it.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: Good good for the six of them. They stood up
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: to do the right thing. I'm proud of every one
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: of them. And I look at every one of them
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: and I see, you know, yeah, we can have disagreements,
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: but you showed some courage on that day.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: Good for you.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: Public service is John McCain taking the microphone away from
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: that woman back in the debates when she was like,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: you know, saying what I don't remember what it was specifically,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: but like some kind of conspiracy theory about Obama. He
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: takes a microphone, he says, ma'am, and he just sort
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: of says, he says something positive about his opponent. That's
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: public service. What you're saying is a class act man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: Like that's that to me, is that's that's public service.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: So much of the pushes around party, show me people
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: who want to do it right, you know, show me
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: people who were there not to be a Democrat or
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: a Republican, but to try to do the right thing,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: figure out what the truth is, and then do the
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: right thing. Those are the people that I want to
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: work with. I don't care if they're Democrats or Republicans
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: or independents or whatever. I want to work with people
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: who just are focused on like I'm trying to I'm
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: trying to do this, I'm trying to be right.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: Here's a good example.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: I'll toot my own horn here. I got elected in
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: twenty eighteen. First decision was who am I going to
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: put into two highest positions in the Auditor's office. I
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: picked an independent and a Republican who had made campaign
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: contributions to my opponent.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: I put them in those highest positions because I want
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: to be a state author that's serving the whole state.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: And I want everybody to know that whether or not
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: you supported me is not the determinant of whether or
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: not I'm going to listen to you, got it, And
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: I am here to serve everybody.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: Now, people who like politics are like, Rob, that's the
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: wrong way to do this. You're supposed to punish the
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: people to oppose you. What do you do when you're crazy?
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: And my attitude to that is like, well, I'm not
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: trying to accumulate all the power. I'm trying to just
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: do the right thing, like the concept of statesmanship, right, Like, Okay,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: the election's over, I won mean or meaner, Too bad
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: for you, But come on board. Even a broken clock
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: is right twice a day. You can be a part
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: of this too. I want your input. Every once in
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 3: a while, I'm almost slightly incorrect. What's your family think about?
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: This? Is your wife sweating it?
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: If you win? You know, it's a great question. She understands,
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: she's a believer in it. She understands why it's important.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 3: She thinks we need a new direction in the state
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: of Iowa. She doesn't love it. She's got her own
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: actually her she runs her family business, which actually is
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 3: all about improving the efficiency of the food system.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: You appreciate it.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: I like to describe it as using the every part
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: of the proverbial buffalo. Oh so they take materials from
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 3: slaughterhouses around the United States and figure out something they could.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: Do with it. Oh really yeah, yeah, yeah, it's rendering
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: and whatnot. On one of the things they do is
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: rendering God. Yeah, no, kid, Yeah, she.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: Works there running it and so and so, you know
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: she did.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: Politicians always say they're going to ask their wife or whatever.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: They're gonna talk to their wife. They're gonna ask their
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: wife her. Do you actually go do that? Do they do?
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: Do they go say like, hey, can I run for governor?
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: The distinction I would make is the people who were like,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: we sat down with our children and had a family discussion.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: I'm always like, really, your children, we sent our shout
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: for family discussion.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: That's see. You guys gotta go in the other room.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: We're gonna have a family discussion, older yours, my daughter's
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: I got a I got a ten. My daughter's thirteen
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: in a couple of days, and I got a fifteen
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: years right, Okay, so we got two boys, they're nine
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: and eleven. We have the family discussion. Then they come
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: in and we tell them what it was there, We
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: tell them what was that's a lot closer.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: That's a lot closer, and we'll explain why this decision
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: was made.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: Right, and my like, no, we're not going to Disneyland.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: And there's a thousand reasons why, but the biggest one
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: is we don't like Disneyland. Our boys actually thankfully have
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: never asked to go to Disneyland. But but no, like
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: will she and I talk about this absolutely, you know,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: that's it's a big decision. She's the same with running
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: for state auditor too, you know, lower, lower office.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: But still a big decision. When when politicians are like
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: we sat down and we listened to our kids to
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: I'm like, really, you let a nine year old decide,
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: like what you're gonna do with your life?
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: You run for higher yeah, or any office any It's
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: like yeah, right, no, right.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: City council. I just be like, well, my kid, my
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: kid is a child. They don't understand what this means.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: This is a big decision and it's important. We will
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: let them know what we've decided, similar to you. Yeah,
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: and no, they're not in the room, because if they're
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 3: in the room when Christina and I are talking about it,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 3: then they're gonna have input regardless.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. Man. The part about it that really
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: gets me is, uh, maybe it hasn't happened yet, but god,
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: you gotta get some thick skin man.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: Because towards the end, dude, they get ugly. They do,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: they do. They're gonna be like, his book wasn't that big?
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 4: It measured two o seven. They're like, not net, that's right,
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 4: that's right. He's told you it was two o nine.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 4: But that's gross. And we don't mean I'm saying girls
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 4: score a lot of that stuff.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: You know. I've spent seven years in courtrooms, plenty of
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: plenty of criminal defendants and defense attorneys, you know, telling
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: people wrong about this or did a terrible job on that.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 3: That's okay. I've run two campaigns already. I'm accustomed to it.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: To a certain degree. But then there's also I mean,
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: the ultimate thing to me is just the serenity prayer.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: I can't control what other people say about me. This
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: is a great rule for my serenity prayer, you know,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: and I'll probably screw it up, but it's something to
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: the effect of God grant me the oh, the courage
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: a change the things I can, the wisdom, no, the
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: serenity to accept the things I cannot. Know the difference, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: I can't control what other people say about me. I
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: know they're gonna lie about me. They're lying about me already.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: All I could do is live my life and make
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 3: my own decisions and be honest with people about what
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 3: I believe and what I think we need to be doing.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 3: And if they pick me, great. If they don't, that's
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: the right.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: You can be like, screw y'all, I'm going hunting. That's right.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 3: There are many days where let's not even get into it.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: So would you be able to be like would you
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: be able to be the hunting like a hunting governor?
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, I just would be so. So both of
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: my jobs as both state auditor and as a prosecutor,
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 3: I can find ways sitting quiet in in a tree
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 3: stand to be productive.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: Back in the.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 3: Day when I was prosecuting and I'd have to like
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 3: maybe listen to a witnesses interview, Well I'll go listen
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 3: with one one one ear piece in while I'm in
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 3: a tree stand reading. I can read audit reports while
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 3: I'm in a tree stand on a tablet, you know,
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: on a and that works fine. I can read them
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 3: print it out. So there's a there's a way to
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: balance things. It's also just a really good place to
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: do some thinking. Just you're into you're in the woods,
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 3: you're by yourself. No, maybe you're thirty feet from a
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 3: parking lot, but it's not that different.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: What are some environmental issues that that I mean, I
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: know you're got I think so often a policy on
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: at federal level.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh sure, sure, sure.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: Well local like I think about things in my state,
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: I think about things in Alaska a lot, and I
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: think federal. So so you're whatever you bring up, I'm
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: probably not gonna know what it is. But give me
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: an example of of a habitat issue, an environmental issue
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: that's going on where you're at, how you look at it,
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: how you talk about it to people.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: We've got a We've got a very much a percolating
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: issue with water quality right now. We've got a water
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 3: quality problem in Iowa, record beach closures this summer, very
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: high nitrate levels, just egg runoff. A lot of it
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: is egg runoff, but it's not exclusively agron off. And
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: the important thing I always try to get people to
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 3: remember is farmers are signing up for conservation programs and
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: getting turned away because these politicians won't put in the funding.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: And to me, that's been a huge that that's federal. Yeah,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: that's great, that's right, and that's been a huge headache. Man. Yep.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: So some of it's federal, some of it's not. Opening
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: it up farmers. And this is survey after survey of
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: farmers and growers and producers in the state of Iowa.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 3: They care about their impact on water quality, they care
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 3: about their impact on the environment, They want to do better,
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: survey after survey, but nine of farm income goes to
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: the biggest ten percent of farms. A lot of farmers
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: are just scraping by, and so they're putting together a
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: plan saying, hey, I'll put my money into this plan.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: Here's what I'm going to do on this acreage on
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 3: this parcel. Here's what I'm going to do over there,
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: but I'm applying for the cost share because I can't
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 3: do this whole thing by myself.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: Mm.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 3: And politicians aren't funding the programs enough and that of course,
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: then the farmer's like, well then I can't do that,
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: and all the rest of us are saying, well, then again,
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 3: we don't see the improvements in water quality because it's
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: not moving fast enough.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so they don't kill the program, they just don't
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: move the money to it.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 3: Right, it's still there and they can say, oh, we
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 3: put this much into this program this year, But what
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: they don't tell you is actually that much was applied
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 3: for people want to do it, and instead they run
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 3: around and try to divide us from each other because
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 3: we got this again broken two choice system where they
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 3: just try to say, oh, if so and so is
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 3: talking about water quality, that means they're anti this or
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 3: anti that.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: Actually, a lot of the people who are farming, who
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: are growing, who are producing, they too want to help
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 3: improve water quality. It's politicians that aren't giving them the
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: money to do it.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: Oftentimes, so putting so acridgenda conservation programs. It could be that.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: I mean, it could be putting in terraces, lots of
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 3: different practices, could like improvements, ye, provements that just help
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: water quality. I mean, maybe it's we are we are
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 3: forty ninth in public land Iowa is, so maybe it's
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: having more public land, but maybe it's actually just having
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: more forty ninth forty ninth I would guess that. I
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 3: think eighty five percent of Iowa is farmed or used
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: in some way for agricultural production. So I'd like us
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 3: to improve that. You got a lot of folks access issues, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: Like there's a couple of there's a couple of Facebook
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: bow hunter groups that I've been active in for a
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: long time, and you always get a little bit extra credit,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: you know, if you're out there on public land to
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: fill that tag. But we still just don't have that
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: much by comparison to every other state. Do you guys
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: have good stream access laws? If you get into a river,
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 3: can you can you travel and.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: Anchor and wait?
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: Or that's actually a great question. You can travel, I
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 3: don't know about anchoring. You can you could wade. I
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: don't know to what degree got it, I would imagine
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: because I'm just thinking mostly about like literally the size
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: of a lot of rivers in Iowa. We got some
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 3: of the best trout fishing in Midwest actually up in
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: my hometown in Decora. A lot of these streams are
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 3: teeny tiny. I mean you're talking about like nobody was
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 3: a fly fisher when I was growing up in northeast Iowa.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: Because your stream is two and a half e whide.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: So you're you're you're standing there just plinking a spinner
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: in and reeling it up, not float tripping.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: No, no, I'm with you.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 3: And so waiting is like, you know, there's not even
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: why would you The only thing I'm going to do
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: by waiting is let trout trut know that somebody is
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: in that in that stream with them.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: That the stream access thing and the water access thing is.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: That's not something I discussed when I was grew up
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: in Michigan, but it's a huge issue out here. Sure,
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: sure with the with the larger rivers and whether you
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: get on them. And I've been I've been vocal about
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: the corner crossing stuff too.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 3: I Mean that's just that's like such a no brainer
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: to me, Like, look, no one is doing anything to
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 3: your property. I'm going to go from this public parcel
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: here to that one that they touch each other. I
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 3: can't imagine the attitude of someone who says, like, no,
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 3: I don't want you to do that.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: Well, i'll tell you the court. The courts all agree
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: with you.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 3: Good, but it's not it hasn't been.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: Is it done. It's it's done that it's done in
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: that the Ninth. So it was appealed and appealed and
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: appeal the ninth Circuit Court. So the Federal ninth Federal
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: Circuit Court ruled it it's legal. They tried to appeal
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: to the Supreme Court. They wouldn't hear it. Supreme Court said,
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: feel settled us. Great, they didn't take the case it.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: What has yet to happen is the Ninth is Wyoming
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: only cover wark. That's only good in New Mexico. But
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: if you can rely on it still yeah, but the Tenth,
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: like I guess what would happen is right now, it'll
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: take a little time to see if people corner cross
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: and what prosecutor's attitude, because theoretically a prosecutor can still
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: try to prosecute it. You could. I don't think there's
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: a prosecutor in the State of Montana that it's going
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: to take that case. I would hope not.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 3: There's no way I would think you'd have more people
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: upset with you about it than you would have happy
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: with you.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: And why would you want to invite what happened down
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: in Wyhoming.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 3: Well, and then especially what you're going to end up
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: with is like, Okay, look, technically speaking, the Ninth Circuit
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: decision doesn't apply outside of the Ninth Circuit, but we
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 3: all know it exists. We all know the Supreme Court
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 3: denied certification. At your point, so are you, as the prosecutor,
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: going to put all these resources into a case that
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 3: you think, at the end of the day you're probably
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 3: going to lose.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And in the case, they relied on this Unlawful
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: Enclosures Act, which is an old grazing Act Unlawful Enclosures Act, oh,
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: interest that was cited and that applies here. Yeah, that
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: applies outside of the Ninth Circuit. Yeah, So it's like
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: there's still some level of confusion. It would have been
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: kind of cool if the Supreme Court had taken it. Yeah.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: On the other hand, the w Yeah, yeah, it could
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: have been kind of cool if if they want to
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: just making it like just absolute law the land instead
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: just the ramifications are gonna be slowed. Yeah.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, still though, I guess I and and and that's
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: you know, and that's the other trick too, because if
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 3: you're if a lot of the folks that are out
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: there hunting public land is because they don't have access
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 3: to private lan. Yeah, and so they're not the kind
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: of person who's like, suit me, I've got the resources
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 3: to fight this out.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 3: I'm betting that there's you know, uh, hunting advocacy organizations
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 3: that would cover their legal expenses. But do they know
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 3: that when they're standing there at that corner and they
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: want to do that cross.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: That's what happened in whom But no, they didn't know that. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: you know, we spent we spent money on it. A
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: lot of people spend money on it. Yeah.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: I listened to the I like the nature is nonpartisan. Guy,
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: you guys had one back, Yeah, yeah. A lot of
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 3: stuff that he says is kind of like in in
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: the same thinking is the sort of anti two party
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: system approach, just like we need to break break down
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: the boxes, just get people to the point where you
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 3: are free to think the way you think, tell people
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: what you believe. The other benefit of it, too is
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: I actually think you get the politicians have more and
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 3: of incentive to be honest about their opponents and to
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 3: be truthful because if you have Alaska actually is a
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 3: great example of this. They have a reformed system. They
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 3: have a single open primary, public primary. Every candidate is
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: on it. Every voter, including the Independence can walk in.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 3: You just vote for your one favorite, and they send
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 3: the top four or five to the general election, and
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 3: then they do rank choice voting. The other thing I
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 3: think is pretty simple is approval voting. Here are four candidates,
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 3: vote for as many of them as.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: You approve of.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 3: Oh and so if you and me and Karin are
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 3: running for office against each other and we have approval voting,
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: I'm going to inherently understan that each of you have
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 3: a bunch of people that really want you to win.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: But some of those people will also support me if
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: I behave in a way that attracts their support. So
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 3: instead of being like krinn is the scum of the
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 3: yearth you know, I'm gonna be like I like Krinn
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: all but deserves to die.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: That's right, yes, right, But I don't want to take
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: it too far.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: She's out to destroy your way of life. You know,
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: if instead I highlight areas of agreement, if I tell you,
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 3: you know, like I, Oh, we've texted for years, it
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 3: was so fun to actually, you know, if I say
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 3: positive things about somebody instead of running them into the ground,
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 3: then more of your supporters will also support me. And
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: maybe it's only thirty percent, but if I can get
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: thirty percent of your supporters to also back me instead
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 3: of five percent, that helps me win. So we could
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: have a system. It actually incentivizes civility honesty, right, because
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 3: if I'm lying, all your supporters can be like, that's
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 3: a lie. He's terrible. I don't approve of him. Break
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 3: down these walls, make politicians behave like normal people. Do that,
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 3: and we can start really solving a lot of problems.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: After I've been more careful about this. But after Charlie
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: kirk Kirk was killed, I started being like, now if
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: I'm saying something, if I'm talking about a politician, I'll
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: be like, man, he loves his country, he loves his family.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: I don't agree with him about Buffalo it is.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 5: I think that's like I don't see how the eye
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 5: on that. But let's just clarify that's right. I think
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 5: that's loves America. I think that's a step in the
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 5: right direction. But you don't see people do it very often.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 5: And this is you know what's funny too, is like
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 5: if I mentioned those those bow hunting Facebook groups I'm in,
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 5: they're like the two most supportive Facebook groups I've ever seen,
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 5: just people being like, good for you.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 3: You know, someone to put a post up right then,
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 3: and it'll be someone who like, man, I've been hunting
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 3: for three years. I finally got my first deer. It'll
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 3: be a Spike book then, like every single every single
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 3: comment and maybe this is an Iowa thing that they
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 3: don't want.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: They don't feel the need to tear them down.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 3: No, everyone's like, dude, way to go, way to be persistent,
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 3: good for you. Like ordinary people we live in a world.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 3: Part of human nature is working together, supporting each other.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 3: And you look at the comments on these posts and
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: these Facebook groups for hunting, and everybody is in there.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 3: They're not being like I would have shot that out
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 3: of giving them four years to a t. They're all
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: just like, way to go.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: Shoot. What makes you proud?
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: If you're happy with that book.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: We love that book. Way to go, good for you.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 3: I was actually I just I just saw this article
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 3: about they just did I can't remember if it's like
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: light ar, but somebody up in the Andes found funnels.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah did you see those? About that? Oh? They found
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: them under lake? Erie? Yeah?
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 3: Oh no, way, all right, So we're talking like tens
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 3: of thousands of years ago human beings are building funnels
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 3: two Hunt, I think I said, Eerie.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: I think I said, Erie, you're supposed to stay here
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: on but please continue? All right, all right? One of
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: them you're a Michigan, one of them. Yeah right, I'm like,
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I know which one Michigan is.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 3: Uh. But that's human history, that's human nature. People tens
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 3: of thousands of years ago building walls together to help
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 3: funnel animals into the right and easiest place to kill them.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: Right before I did my buffalo Hunt read American Buffalo.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 3: Love reading that book. Oh like you, But that was
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 3: so fun learning about because a lot of us I
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 3: didn't know, you know, pointing them to the now and now.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 3: Of course I'm blanking on it, you know, getting them
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 3: to the hill where there's the drop on the other side,
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 3: the jump side. Yeah, but they're working together right to
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 3: make the job easier for everybody later on. But yet
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 3: here we are with this political system that incentivizes anger
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 3: and division and hatred and lying we're so much better
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 3: than it.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: It's a mess. How It's gonna be hard for you
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: to answer, honestly. There's a there's a piece of marital advice. Yanni,
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: my buddy Yanni introduced me to it. Let's say you're
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: fighting with your wife, yeah, and then you realize you're
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: fighting about something you don't really care about. So what
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: they'll do is the say me and crann are having
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: a big fight about where this microphone would be, and
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: I realized at some point I'm arguing, like hell, but
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: I's just like, I honestly don't It doesn't really but
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: I'm just here. Why am I arguing? I'm just here arguing, Yeah,
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: And I love my argument, And I would wind up
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: saying it's a three out of ten for me. I
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: love that it's a three out of ten, right, And
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: Krin's like, well it's a ten, yeah, and you're ten
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: on that microphone. And I'm like, okay, that is a
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: great idea, Right, I'm gonna try to put that into practice. Yeah,
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: but you gotta be honest. But that's not the thing.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: You got to be honest about shits. No, no, if
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: you set yourself like you put all this time, eighteen
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: months and all that. Yeah, how much do you get
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: in your head? How much do you get in your
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: head about what if you fail?
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 3: Not very much. I just work the hardest I can
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 3: every day against serenity, prayer. Yeah, you know, what if
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 3: I fail?
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I'll think about that if I fail.
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  Speaker 1: I've never been able to sit around being all depressed
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  Speaker 1: about that idea.
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  Speaker 3: I've never been a big anticipator, got it. You know,
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  Speaker 3: like there's people who like, what's it going to be
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  Speaker 3: like when I this?
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  Speaker 1: When I that?
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  Speaker 3: For for big things and for little things.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I'll find out when I get there. So this this
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  Speaker 3: buck for two minutes into honey light when I saw him.
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  Speaker 3: I typically do not get buck fever. I've taken I
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 3: want to say, eight popen young bucks. It's funny because
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 3: I capped out. I've got three between in the one
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  Speaker 3: four four in the one fifties, like one fifty three
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  Speaker 3: to one fifty nine. I've been stuck for years right,
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  Speaker 3: But every one of those bucks I've never gotten. Really
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  Speaker 3: the shakes. Okay, this buck I did. I wasn't thinking like,
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  Speaker 3: oh I wonder if I'll get buck fever. Finally when
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 3: this buck shows up, it just happened. And then again
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 3: the second time when I'm putting up the tree stand,
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 3: it just happened. Third time, world around, cool as a cucumber,
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  Speaker 3: got it. But I've just never been someone who's like, well,
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 3: what if I this, or what if I that life's
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 3: gonna happen By the time I get there, I'll figure
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: it out. What I can do right now today is
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 3: put all of my effort into making sure the outcome
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  Speaker 3: that I want is the outcome that happens.
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  Speaker 1: Got it? Yeah? Well, man, I hope that you come
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  Speaker 1: out of this whatever happens. Yeah, I hope you come
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  Speaker 1: out of this with the same spirit that you have now.
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  Speaker 3: I appreciate that. I hope I do too.
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  Speaker 1: I hate to see something bad happen. Yeah, I'm gonna
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: sit there watching now. On election night, I'm gonna be watching.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: All right. All right, Well, we're freeling pretty good. The
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: only the only pole we've seen has us up by two.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: But those aren't worth a whole lot. A lot's going
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: to happen between now and a year from nowns Man,
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  Speaker 1: So we'll see where it goes up. By two in
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: the primary. No, no, in the they test.
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  Speaker 3: This is a poll that tested me versus sort of
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 3: a Republican front runner or perceived front runner. Who knows
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 3: who it is at the end of the day. So
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 3: but that's, you know, worth a little bit more than
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 3: the paper it's printed on. At this point, we're happy
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 3: to see it. We're not surprised to see it. We're
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 3: just going to keep working hard every day. Are your
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 3: campaign sign is going to be your buck photo? Actually
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 3: I should send you, I should send you.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like a griff and grin I used to do.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 3: I used to do parades and I'd have my shoulder
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 3: mounts hanging off the side of my truck and my
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 3: and my my my sign would say Rob Sand for
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 3: State auditor bow hunter or no, it was like Rob
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  Speaker 3: Sand bow hunter and state auditor. He'll find our buck.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: That's good, it's fun. It's fun. I love every every
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 3: every campaign cycle. We've always had funny ads like making
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 3: fun of me. Big target. You know, you don't need
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 3: to be proficient for that one big target. But if
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 3: I can make people laugh, whether it's on a parade
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 3: or it's a TV commercial, like that public service you
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 3: asked about, public service, Like that is a public service.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 3: We are living in very strange, oftentimes dark times. If
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 3: I can give you an opportunity to put a smile
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 3: on your face, like I have done a good thing,
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 3: that's good to Yeah. So yeah, we've we'll probably do
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 3: I don't know if we'll do something. We haven't really
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 3: talked about it, but we've done it in the past.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 3: The TV ads haven't been hunting oriented, but the parade
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 3: floats have been.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: I should probably ask you a couple of technical hunting questions. Sure,
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: when you're hunting those tight confines mm hm, and you
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: just can't have one running off you shoot mechanicals? Oh boy,
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: do we have this?
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 3: I got a long end.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: I don't want to hit you with contentious No. No,
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: I don't want to you with like the gotcha stuff.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 3: I got a long answer to this one. So I
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 3: used to shoot fixed blade. You got to take your
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 3: shirt off of thistle warm here, a little warmon here.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 3: I used to shoot fixed blade.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: Okay, then I saw this study from what is it
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: Quality Deer Management Association QDMA good, and.
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  Speaker 3: Again like I'm a numbers guy. My in college, my
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 3: honors thesis was a statistical analysis on a data set
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 3: that I built with over forty thousand data points in it.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 3: And so they're this cute. I think it was QDMA,
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 3: but it was out there on the internet. And they
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 3: did this study in a permit only hunting environment, I
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: think on a maybe on a military base. I'm pretty
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 3: sure it was in Maryland, and they found that mechanicals
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 3: gave you. Mechanicals gave you a higher recovery rate.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 3: That was all I needed. Again, like I'm I'm I
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 3: like truth. I like numbers, and even though I've been
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 3: shooting fixed blades, I read that, I'm like, all right,
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 3: now I'm shooting mechanicals. I switched to mechanicals, I think
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 3: at the same time I switched to the deep six,
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 3: like the micro diameter arrows, and so I got these ones.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to get into brands, but yeah.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: Because you lose all the voters, you know, I don't
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: shoot the other brand. I was into that sand guy.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 4: And then he said he shoots rages, and now I
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 4: think he sucks.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 3: I was gonna, ho there you go. I just don't
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 3: want to. It's less about that I didn't. I was
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 3: not satisfied with the performance. I switched back to the
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 3: same fix that I was using, just I knew they
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 3: were reliable.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: I liked him.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: But then when I travel on the state, there's a
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: few hunting archery shops. I'll go into one of them's
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 3: in El cater Iowa. The guy that owns this guy
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 3: named Dave, got.
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  Speaker 1: To know him.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I'll pop in, might only be once a year,
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 3: but pop in to say, IH to Dave, see what
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 3: he's got.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: What he's got, and he gave me.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 3: He was like, you got to shoot these because I
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 3: was telling him, you know, like I switched to mecanic
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 3: because I saw this study that says you get a
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 3: better recovery rate. But it's been really frustrating. I switched
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 3: to a two blade. I think the two blade if
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 3: you hit it, if your blades are not vertical, and
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 3: let's say you shoot quarter in a way right, Let's
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 3: say your blades are like this, You're going to hit
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: that deer and one is going to flip out and
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 3: the other one's not, and so all of the trajectory
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 3: and the energy of your arrow is going to twist.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 3: Probably it's just not going to get you the pass
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 3: through that you want, and maybe that was the issue.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 3: But regardless of what the issue is, Dave was like,
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 3: you got to shoot these, and he hands me a pack.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 3: You want, we can talk brands, grim reapers. It's a
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 3: four blade mechanical and four blade mechanics, four blade mechanical,
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 3: so it's just you know, there's one that comes out
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 3: on each no collar on it, so it's like nothing
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 3: to mess around with. The ones I had had callers
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 3: on them, and I didn't buy him the first year
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: that he recommended him. I'm typically just like taking information right,
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 3: but eventually I just to buy him. Man, that's all
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 3: I'm shooting.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: Now. That's a shot two o nine. That's what I shot,
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: the two and nine, two nine, that's what you shot
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: two O nine. I like the two on nine, So
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: like the four O nine beach Boy nine.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 3: I should rewrite my four o nine. Thank you.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: There we go. We're going to rewrite it my two
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: o nine. The problem name in bucks actual names. Yeah,
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: there's a story where there's two stories. Mark Kenyon had
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: a buck named Frank and he called someone and said,
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: I shot Frank No, and people can take that wrong way.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: And Jeff Foxforthy has that story where he had a
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: buck named a person's name and he told his wife,
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: I shot I shot Dame, not who's dad from? Why
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: did you do that?
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 3: Do I need to pack you a bag?
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: Where are you right now? But yeah, I shot the
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: two O nine. I'm like, that sounds like a that's
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: a buck. Yeah, little split time, that's our drop point.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: That's nine, that's right. Uh so yeah, I switched to
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: these grim Reapers.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 3: Every single shot now just max forty yards and drop
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 3: hm big exit.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: I'll check it out. They're pretty good. I like to
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: argue about this with Tony Peterson. All right, yeah you don't,
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: I mean no, but all right, I think it's an
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: interesting conversation. It's one of the more interesting ones I
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: think that there is in archery right now. Yeah, for
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: a while, I quit. I tried to. For there's a
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: couple of years when I tried to not argue about gear.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 3: That's just like not possible.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: I know, especially for you.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 3: I might be able to get away with it.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: You know. Those guys that do that, they're like, uh,
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: they'll say, well works for me. Yeah, like no, mony
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: like I could say to you, study after study after study,
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: right has shown that, well, that's what works for me. Right,
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: and it just shuts It's just shooting.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 3: I'm shooting field points that works.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: It works for me. Yeah, and it just shuts everything down.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: So instead of arguing about gear, because I'll say, you know,
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: of course my boots are the best. Yeah, you know,
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: my headlamp is the best. My buddy recently observed you
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: always have the best headlamp, but you always have a
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: different headlamp.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 3: That's a great point. That is such a good point.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: That's frustrating, the one that you had a week ago
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: that was the best.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 3: I'm picturing that Onion headline right now, World's worst person
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 3: just made an amazing point. Right, It's like, ah, you're right.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: So I tried to quit. I'm back in though now. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: I'll argue about it, but I seriously I wish you
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: good luck, Thank you.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 3: I appreciate that.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like, I like I want to I like
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: talking to people in the political space who don't want
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: to burn everything down.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know, there's a great, a great line.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to remember who said it, and I can't.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 3: But any old meal can kick a barn down. Takes
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 3: a carpenter to build one. Yeah, we got a lot
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 3: of building to do.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah we do. Yeah, glue and stuff back together. Amen. Yeah.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: I hope you whatever happens in your campaign, you your opponents,
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: I hope you do that, and I wish you lucky
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: out on that night.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna be watching, all right.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: I appreciate that if we hear about Iowa all the time,
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: because you guys vote real early, and that's right, that's right,
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: it'll be easy track all Rob saying, Iowa, Iowa's state auditor.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: You got it running for the position of governor.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 3: And chief white tail bow hunter.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: If you're in Des Moines and you don't like hunting
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: and you see a very large buck and you're in
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: town there, call Rob. That's right, don't call anybody else.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: Please send photo of buck. Will provide venison. Thank you
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: very much.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, thanks,