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Surveillance video of Kidnap-Mom Sherri Papini darting across parking lot just released & boxer fakes own death in desert to sting killer-wife · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Climb Stories with Nancy Grace on Serious x M Triumph
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  Speaker 1: Channel one thirty two. Police releasing brand new video of
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  Speaker 1: the California mom found chained and beaten on the side
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  Speaker 1: of the road after she says she was kidnapped. Sherry
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  Speaker 1: Peppini went missing for three weeks last year. She says,
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  Speaker 1: so when kidnapped her while jogging, my wife wasn't there,
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  Speaker 1: which is unusual. It's a surveillance video and it shows
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  Speaker 1: Sherry Peppini running unshackled through a church parking lot at
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  Speaker 1: four fifteen on the morning she was found. She was
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  Speaker 1: spotted just seven minutes later on the freeway with a
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  Speaker 1: chain around her waist and clamps on her wrist. In
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  Speaker 1: the last hours, investigators released surveillance video in the mysterious
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  Speaker 1: case of a young quote super mom who vanishes for
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  Speaker 1: three soul weeks. I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. I'm talking about Sherry Peppini.
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  Speaker 1: Just released, is Granny surveillance video of Sherry Peppini. At first,
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  Speaker 1: she wouldn't even know it was her, but police are
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  Speaker 1: telling us it is, and now I can make it
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  Speaker 1: out and she is darting back and forth, back and
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  Speaker 1: forth across a parking lot of a Jehovah's Witness Kingdom
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  Speaker 1: of Hall. It's around four a m. In the morning,
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  Speaker 1: thanks Giving Day. About fifteen minutes after this surveillance video,
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  Speaker 1: she is spotted spotted running along a ramp on the interstate.
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  Speaker 1: What does a surveillance mean? Take a listen to what Chips,
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  Speaker 1: California Highway Patrol says upon seeing her. I think very
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  Speaker 1: heavily battered south of Yellow North on the free list,
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  Speaker 1: So Dave Max, syndicated talk show host. That was the
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  Speaker 1: dispatch sound when Chips was called to the scene. A
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  Speaker 1: motor sees Sherry Peppini running along the side of the Interstate.
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  Speaker 1: She is still bound with chains. She has um bindings
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  Speaker 1: on her limbs. She is battered, beaten. There is a
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  Speaker 1: brand on her right shoulder um. Her hair has been
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  Speaker 1: cut from waist length up to her shoulders, and she
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  Speaker 1: has a broken nose. She's also lost about twenty pounds.
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  Speaker 1: What do you make of the dispatch, Dave Mac, You
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  Speaker 1: know she'd only been gone for twenty two days, and
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  Speaker 1: as they discovered that they had found this woman, that
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  Speaker 1: they had no idea where she was and what was
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  Speaker 1: going on and at four o'clock in the morning, all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden, she pops up out of nowhere. All
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  Speaker 1: I can think is that they knew that they had
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  Speaker 1: found who they'd been looking for. They knew, all right,
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  Speaker 1: And now almost a year later, more evidence is being
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  Speaker 1: released by the Sheriff's department. Why let's talk about what
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  Speaker 1: we see in the video again. As I was mentioning
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  Speaker 1: earlier to Dr Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatrist. Dr Bober, you
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  Speaker 1: see her appear in this parking lot of a Kingdom Hall.
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  Speaker 1: It's a Jehovah's Witness church, and she goes one way
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  Speaker 1: and then the other, then back again, and then leaves
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  Speaker 1: the surveillance video scene, and then she pops up on
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  Speaker 1: the interstate. Does it prove or disprove her story? Dr
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  Speaker 1: Bober Andante, it almost sounds to me that in the
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  Speaker 1: in the interim, she was abused and neglected and essentially
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  Speaker 1: tortured and at some point got away. Now I know
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  Speaker 1: from reading the story that she identifies to Latino females
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  Speaker 1: as her abductors, but male DNA was found on her person.
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  Speaker 1: So there's a lot that seems inconsistent here. Yeah, you know, statistically,
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  Speaker 1: This is virtually impossible that two females abduct her as
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  Speaker 1: she's jogging, that they keep her for three weeks. There
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  Speaker 1: is no sex assault. Now, another thing we find out
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  Speaker 1: about is that she was texting some guy in Michigan
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  Speaker 1: just before she's taken. But that guy has been questioned
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  Speaker 1: and has nothing to do with this at all. Dave mac,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, come on, just because you might text an
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  Speaker 1: old boyfriend or some guy you see online or that,
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  Speaker 1: that does not mean you're gonna leave your husband and
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  Speaker 1: children and run off. It means nothing. It means you
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  Speaker 1: said a thirty second text. I'm not that concerned. And
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  Speaker 1: you know, Nancy, a lot is made out of this,
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  Speaker 1: of the parts of the story that just seem unbelievable.
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  Speaker 1: You mentioned the two women. Then you've got the guy
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  Speaker 1: in Detroit, um somebody that she had been talking. You
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  Speaker 1: tried to meet up with that the week that she
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  Speaker 1: went missing. They had had contact, but they never did
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  Speaker 1: meet up. In California, then she goes missing, this so
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  Speaker 1: called super mom, And I'm not calling into question her
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  Speaker 1: character or anything else. It's just this is uh. I'm
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  Speaker 1: watching the video that comes out of the surveillance video,
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  Speaker 1: and to me, looks like she's panicked, running side to
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  Speaker 1: side trying to figure out where do I go now?
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  Speaker 1: So to me, that video actually backs up the idea
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  Speaker 1: that she had been uh tortured and terrorized for a
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  Speaker 1: number of weeks. The woman lost twenty pounds in three weeks.
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  Speaker 1: She was tattooed, she was branded, her nose is broken,
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  Speaker 1: and now she finally breaks free. She's still binded together
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  Speaker 1: and she's just trying to find where do I go now?
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  Speaker 1: At four twenty in the morning. That's what the video
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  Speaker 1: looks like to me. You know, I want to go
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  Speaker 1: to Tim Ballard, human trafficking expert with the operation Underground Railroad. Tim,
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  Speaker 1: thank you so much for being with us. Everyone is
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  Speaker 1: claiming that her story is a lie, and I agree
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  Speaker 1: that her story sounds far fetched. In what disturbs me
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  Speaker 1: the most about her story, Tim Ballora, are two things.
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  Speaker 1: One her foot. Her foot bothers me. And I'll tell
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  Speaker 1: you why her foot bothers me because when she was found,
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  Speaker 1: she stated she fought back against her attackers to women
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  Speaker 1: and she cut her foot, but when she was admitted
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  Speaker 1: to the hospital, there was no evidence of any such
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  Speaker 1: of an injury. Also, Thanksgiving Day, why would kidnappers who
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  Speaker 1: had beaten her, branded her, tortured her, bound her, chained her,
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  Speaker 1: starved her, broken her nose suddenly decide, well, it's Thanksgiving,
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  Speaker 1: let's let her go. Thanksgiving Day would only have significance
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  Speaker 1: in that scenario to her, So she reappeared on Thanksgiving Day.
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  Speaker 1: That psychological clue is significant to me. What does it mean?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. And for right now police are standing
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  Speaker 1: by her, and therefore I will do the same. So,
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  Speaker 1: Tim Ballard, how does human trafficking enter into this equation? Hi, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: thanks so much. Yeah, there's a couple of thoughts I have,
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  Speaker 1: notwithstanding some of the strange kind of facts that you
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  Speaker 1: point out. Um, you know, when you're debriefing people who
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  Speaker 1: have been trafficked from from human trafficking, which I've done
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  Speaker 1: so many times, it is very difficult. They've been they've
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  Speaker 1: been through an experience that makes it almost impossible to
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  Speaker 1: remember every fact, and they get things confused. They've been rewired. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: And so I think we need to give her some
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  Speaker 1: time to to kind of uh, let the let the
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  Speaker 1: truth come out, and and and consider the mental instability
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  Speaker 1: she's probably going through because of potential trauma. The other
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  Speaker 1: thing that concerns me and I think has a has
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  Speaker 1: a human trafficking angle is where this happened. This is
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  Speaker 1: an the Emerald Triangle of northern California. I worked, I've
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  Speaker 1: worked in that, I've worked undercover in that area. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: it's a high drug smuggling area, cultivation area for cannabis,
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  Speaker 1: for marijuana, and human trafficking and drug trafficking simply go
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  Speaker 1: hand in hand. I mean, when you have a group
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  Speaker 1: of criminals who are willing to to break the lawn,
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  Speaker 1: they're already doing that. I've seen these guys. What they
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  Speaker 1: realize is it, look, I can sell Uh. I can
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  Speaker 1: sell marijuana. I can sell a couple of cheelos of
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  Speaker 1: marijuana one time. But if I can get my hands
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  Speaker 1: on a person on a girl and a woman on
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  Speaker 1: a child, I can sell that child that product. If
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  Speaker 1: you will multiple times, twenty times a day, it's much
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  Speaker 1: more profitable. And so once they kind of recognize that
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  Speaker 1: and they already have a taste for it for crime,
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  Speaker 1: we see them crossover. So when it's happening in this
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  Speaker 1: high drug area, I think it's at least something to considering,
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  Speaker 1: something to look at as as you know, a more
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  Speaker 1: likely scenario than others when it comes to put a
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  Speaker 1: potential human trafficking case. You know, I'm trying to take
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  Speaker 1: in everything that you just said. If that were true
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  Speaker 1: in this scenario, Tim Ballard, then why would they have
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  Speaker 1: let her go? And why was she never sexually assaulted?
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  Speaker 1: She says she was not, and the hospital supports that.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I I wish I had more facts on
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  Speaker 1: the case. I wish I was the case agent in
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  Speaker 1: the case so I could I could get in into
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  Speaker 1: the what the why? UM. I do know I've seen
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  Speaker 1: I've seen human trafficking victims who were kidnapped and and
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  Speaker 1: and trying to trying to get a ransom out of
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  Speaker 1: um or trying to coercion to do something else. There's
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  Speaker 1: there's just so many you know, unknowns here uh to
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  Speaker 1: make any any you know, positive conclusions. I think I
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  Speaker 1: want to go to Dr Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatrists joining
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  Speaker 1: me along with human trafficking expert Tim Ballard and syndicated
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  Speaker 1: talk show host Dave mac. Dr Bober. The reason people
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  Speaker 1: are having so many problems believing Sherry Pepini's story is
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  Speaker 1: that statistically, for two females, as she says to Hispanic
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  Speaker 1: females to kidnap her. That's not a female crime. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm not stereotyping. I'm basing this on statistics that have
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  Speaker 1: been created and studied for decades. Okay, she was not robbed,
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  Speaker 1: she was not her home was not burglaras, she was
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  Speaker 1: not six assaulted, none of that. So they basically hold
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  Speaker 1: her like a pet, except they beat her and then
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  Speaker 1: they'll let her go for what reason was the motive? Also,
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  Speaker 1: she cannot give a description. She says their face recovered
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  Speaker 1: almost the entire time. Um that she couldn't really understand
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  Speaker 1: everything that they were saying. She didn't really know where
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  Speaker 1: she was held nothing. So all that together makes people
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  Speaker 1: suspicious of her story. Dr Bober, you know, a Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: it seems highly questionable based on what you're saying. But
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  Speaker 1: you know, to the other guests who specializes in investigating
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  Speaker 1: human trafficking crimes, UM, people who suffer the effects of
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  Speaker 1: acute stress can often have disturbed perception and recall and
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  Speaker 1: memory problems. As you remember, the DC snipers were both
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  Speaker 1: African American males, and and that didn't fit the pattern either.
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  Speaker 1: You know, no one thought that to African American males
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  Speaker 1: we're going to be uh serial killers, which essentially is
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  Speaker 1: a white male crime. So I'm willing to give her
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  Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt. But it definitely seems like
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  Speaker 1: there are some things here that are at at the
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  Speaker 1: at least questionable and at worst highly suspicious. Well, I
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  Speaker 1: agree with you to Dave Mac. I'm supporting her even
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  Speaker 1: though many people are saying it's not true uh because
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't seem to fit with our perceptions. And I
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  Speaker 1: also agree with Dr Bober with firsthand experience. After my
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  Speaker 1: fiancee was murdered, I've got a huge chunk of time
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  Speaker 1: before his murder and in to two years after his murder,
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  Speaker 1: where there's so many things I can't remember at all.
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  Speaker 1: My dad would drive me to the murder trial every day,
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  Speaker 1: took off work. I barely remember that. There's just so
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  Speaker 1: much I just can't remember, and I don't really try to.
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  Speaker 1: And when I do try to remember, Dr Dr Bober,
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  Speaker 1: I actually I think I was talking to Dave Mac.
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  Speaker 1: I actually, Dave Mac start to get a physical headache,
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  Speaker 1: so I immediately quit thinking about it. So I hear
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  Speaker 1: what Bober is saying, and I don't expect Peppini to
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  Speaker 1: recall everything, Um, Dave mac this, I want to get
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  Speaker 1: to the issue at hand, and that is a surveillance video.
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  Speaker 1: Many people say it looks staged, it doesn't look real,
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  Speaker 1: But think about it. If she had been let off,
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  Speaker 1: if she's darting back and forth across this parking lot,
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  Speaker 1: Let's let's take her point of view for a moment.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe she was running to the structure to see if
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  Speaker 1: any body was there, if it was unlocked, looking for
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  Speaker 1: a phone, even a pay phone, anything, not knowing which
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  Speaker 1: way to go. Mancy, Assuming that everything about the story
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  Speaker 1: is true, that that she was abducted and kept for
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  Speaker 1: twenty two days and was released at you know, or escaped,
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  Speaker 1: Let's say she escaped at four o'clock that morning, somehow
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  Speaker 1: some way, getting away from these people that she couldn't
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  Speaker 1: get away from from twenty two days, and that she
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  Speaker 1: was hurt. Um to me, what that video looks like.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't look staged at all, because it's surveillance cameras
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  Speaker 1: that just happened to pick her up, and it's at
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  Speaker 1: the top end of the picture. It's not you know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't see that at stage. What I do see
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  Speaker 1: as a woman panic trying to find a clear path
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  Speaker 1: that safety somewhere somehow. That's what it appears to me.
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  Speaker 1: But that's assuming that her entire story is true and
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  Speaker 1: this is the end where she's trying to get away
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  Speaker 1: from what she thought was a life and death situation.
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  Speaker 1: If you believe her story. Well another another thing, what
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  Speaker 1: about this? Let me throw this to Tim Allard, who
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  Speaker 1: is human trafficking expert the Operation Underground Railroad. Other people
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  Speaker 1: would look at this scenario, Tim Ballard and say, well,
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  Speaker 1: if this is where she was left off, where's the vehicle?
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  Speaker 1: What vehicle left on dropped her off? There? Um? Are
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  Speaker 1: there more surveillance cameras in the area, such as a store,
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  Speaker 1: a home security system, at a red light or stop
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  Speaker 1: sign where you often have, you know, surveillance cameras to
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  Speaker 1: see people run a red light? What about a tag grabber?
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  Speaker 1: This all along the interstate, did anybody's taget grabbed? Is
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  Speaker 1: there any way to use this to substantiate or disprove
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  Speaker 1: her story? These are things that the police need to
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  Speaker 1: be asking. I hope they're asking these questions, and I
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  Speaker 1: hope they're looking for those very things. What what I
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  Speaker 1: do know, what we all know, is something happened to
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  Speaker 1: her and let she took herself up and started beating
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  Speaker 1: herself up. I mean, something happened to her, and I,
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  Speaker 1: like the doctor said, you know, we we have to
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  Speaker 1: give her time to to kind of to kind of
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  Speaker 1: let the dusk settle even more. It could be years.
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  Speaker 1: I have seen trafficking victims take literally five, six, seven
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  Speaker 1: years before they can start even really recalling and remembering
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  Speaker 1: what happened. And it might be something like that where
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  Speaker 1: we have to wait that long to really get to
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  Speaker 1: the bottom of what what happened or what she remembers happening.
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  Speaker 1: In the meantime, You're right, Nancy, the police need to
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  Speaker 1: be doing everything they can to find every camera, every
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  Speaker 1: angle to put this story, this really mysterious story together. Well,
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  Speaker 1: one thing I'd like to know is is Sherry Pepiney
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  Speaker 1: left handed or right handed? And this is why I
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  Speaker 1: want to know that they brand that had apparently been
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  Speaker 1: burned into her was burned into her right shoulder. If
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  Speaker 1: you're right handed, that would be virtually impossible to do.
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  Speaker 1: If you're left handed, you could self inflict that. Now
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  Speaker 1: do I think she broke her own nose, inflicted a
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  Speaker 1: brand on herself, chopped off her hair, beat herself and
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  Speaker 1: starved herself. I find that very difficult to believe as well.
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  Speaker 1: But what we do know now is Police Law Enforcement
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  Speaker 1: has just released this video in the helps of renewing
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  Speaker 1: the case and finally finding answers. I want to pause
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  Speaker 1: Sherry Peppini disappearance. The mysterious disappearance of the so called
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  Speaker 1: super Mom's Sherry Peppini making headlines again right now as
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  Speaker 1: law enforcement releases more evidence. In the last months, they
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  Speaker 1: have begun releasing more evidence why. For instance, they released
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  Speaker 1: sketches as they are of the alleged perpetrators wearing scarfs
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  Speaker 1: or bandanas over their faces. The two female perpetrators that
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  Speaker 1: kidnaps Shery Peppini. According to her, They release information that
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  Speaker 1: she had been texting a guy in Michigan and that
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  Speaker 1: he has been cleared of any involvement in her disappearance.
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  Speaker 1: They release the nine one one call where her husband
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  Speaker 1: calls nine one one. They release information that there is
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  Speaker 1: female d n A on her body and mail d
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  Speaker 1: n A on her clothing. Neither of those DNA samples
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  Speaker 1: have matched up to CODUS, which is the National Data
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  Speaker 1: Bank on DNA, which means that, as of now, neither
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  Speaker 1: of those individuals have a felony record that we know of.
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  Speaker 1: So what can we learn. Let's start with what we know.
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  Speaker 1: We know. We've got the nine one one call her husband,
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  Speaker 1: Keith makes the day he comes home from work and
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  Speaker 1: she's gone, listen hello, how can I help you? Yeah? Um,
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  Speaker 1: so I just got home from work and uh, my
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  Speaker 1: wife wasn't there, which is unusual, and my kids should
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  Speaker 1: have been there by now, from like daycare. So I
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  Speaker 1: was like, oh, maybe she went on a walk. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't find her, so I called the daycare to
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  Speaker 1: see what times she picked up the kids. The kids
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  Speaker 1: were never picked up, so I got creaked out. So
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  Speaker 1: I hit like to find my iPhone appening and it
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  Speaker 1: said that her. It showed her phone like at our
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  Speaker 1: end of our drive. We we don't have really good service, okay,
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  Speaker 1: at the end of our driving at the end of
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  Speaker 1: our street. But just drove down there and I saw
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  Speaker 1: her phone with her headphones because she started running again,
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  Speaker 1: and it's her sound her phone and it's got like
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: hair ripped out of it, like in the headphones. So
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: I'm like totally freaking out thinking like somebody like, what's
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: your Okay, what's your address? Okay? What's your last name? Popini,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: P A, P, I and I in your first name?
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Keith K E I T H Yes? Okay, did you
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: go pick up your children's You know, I'm gonna call
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: my mom and have her to do it. Okay. What's
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: your wife's name? I'm gonna like knock on every door
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: series that's H E R R I. I'm saying last name. Yes,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: she white female? Yeah. What's our day of birth? Uh?
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: It is June eleven two? Does her vehicle there? Does
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: she not have a vehicle? She has a vehicles at
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: the house? Okay? The vehicle that out? Okay if I'm
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: right now driving? And I took a picture of her
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: phone on the ground before it picked it up. Okay?
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: How tall as five weeks by four? How much does
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: she weigh? How pown bhi color? Uh? Like a bluish blue? Okay,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: hair color? Bond? Do you know what she was wearing?
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Because there are no where I'm assuming she went running. Okay,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: they're in athletic techook. Okay, there's not an outfit she
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: always wears or anything like that. She run with a
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: dog or by herself, by herself. Okay, at what time
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: where the consint are running again? And we live in
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: the when's the last time? When? When's the last time
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: you heard from her? She sent me a text using
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: me if I was coming home for lunch at what time?
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: I want? Um uh anyone's like she said, had ten
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: forty seven, asking me I was coming home from lunch
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: from work and I said, sorry, long day and I
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: was the last never spoked on the phone in the
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: ratony and what time of the kids supposed to be
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: picked up? Way before usually goes to like four forty five. Okay, okay,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: you headed back to the house or where you at
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: right now? I'm at the end of the drivers you were.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: I'm not the old Oregon Trail and Sunrise where they meet,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: because that's right where I found her phone on the
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: ground telling me that something happened to her is the
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: way I'm looking at it. And there's like then there
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: was hair like in the headphones, like they got ripped off,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: and like the ground now, and I understand I am
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: to Dr Daniel Boba. Forensic psychiatrists are joining me. Dr
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: bow Her, I know that you have repeatedly listened to
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: this nine on one call for any clues. I've got
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: a few. For instance, it was said that she left
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: her children, well, she did not leave for children, and
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: this kidnap, this kidnapping. Her children were taken a daycare
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: that morning, so she knew that they were safe and
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: sound at daycare. When her husband came home, the children
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: were not home. She was not home, so he called
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: the daycare and found out they were still there. What,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: if anything, does that mean? Dr Bober It's hard to say, Nancy,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: you know, going back to what you were saying about
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: whether she's right handed or left handed and the branding,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, it is possible, however bizarre and likely that
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: some of this, at least we have to consider the
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: possibility that we had it was self inflicted. But I mean,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: between the weight loss, the haircut, the branding, it seems
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: to me that she was trying to flee, That she
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: was trying to escape, and that that's what the surveillance
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: video was picking up. And because she's been traumatized, she's
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: not going to be a very reliable reporter at this point. Well, also,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: she had a broken nose, so and it was bruised
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: heavily and was chained, which leads me Dave Max, indicated
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: talk show host to the question, if all of this
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: was self inflicted, where did she get all of that?
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Where did she get that? The the ties her all
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: of her extremities were tied, the chain that was tied
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: to her waist in her left arm. As I recall, well,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: how did all this happen? You know, everybody was looking
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: for her intensely, so she would have been spotted going
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: into a Wallmark and buy some chain, or the Lows
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: or the home depot. Right right, let's let's play devil Zack.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: We're talking about it from the standpoint of believing her story.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: But let's go back to some facts here. We keep
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: talking about her long hair had been cut. But you
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: know the woman who made the nine one one called
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: the more Thanksgiving morning when they saw her on the
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: side of the road, described a young woman with long
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: blonde hair. Um, we've got missing for twenty two days,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: a couple of days before she goes missing. Oh no,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: I want to address what you just said, Dave Matt
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: because I had made a note of that too, Uh,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: somewhat different. Her hair had been down to um, say,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: her elbows. It was cut. It was cut up to
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: her shoulders. When I first heard that her hair had
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: been shorn, essentially, I thought it had been cut down
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: to the scalp. It was cut to her shoulders. So
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know what that means. Keep going, I don't neither.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: But you know, description of long blonde hair, you know that.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: To me anyway, it just seems to be there's something
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: not right about this story, and that's why we're still
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: talking about it. And I get the idea that she
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: was so traumatized that it's been almost a year and
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: she's just now able to describe people. But you know,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: just playing double that for a minute. We've got a
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: woman who has a past history of of problems UM
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: with her family. Police have been called before when she
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: was younger. UM. She's in contact with a man, not
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: her husband, who lives out of state. She's trying to
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: meet up with him in the days leading up to this,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: and she goes missing for a couple of weeks and
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: comes back, you know, losing twenty pounds and some physical marketings.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Yet she wasn't in the hospital for very long being
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: treated for those injuries. Nancy. Uh, to my recollection, it
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: was only a matter of hours, and then she's pretty
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: much been in hiding, sequestered, you know, set away. You
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: know I'm hearing everything you're saying. But uh, Tim Ballard,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: human trafficking expert with Operation Underground Railroad, I don't like
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: the way that Dave mac just tossed it off that
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: she's texting a man out of state, like that's some
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: bad thing. I don't know what she was texting. I mean,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: if you looked at my iPhone, you'd be convinced I
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: have a thing going with Alan Deeke, okay, because there's
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: like twenty texts back and forth a day and he's
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: out of state. I think he's in l A right now,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: and it's posh ad in Los Angeles. But uh, just
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: because you're texting somebody does not mean you have a
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: thing going on. That's right, Yeah, you know, that's right.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: And what I what I do is, like you've said, Nancy, Um,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: I try to stay with the victim and stay with
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: their story and start creating hypotheses about what might have
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: happened knowing that they're not the best reporter. And I
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: need to go back again to my analysis. I mean,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: I I worked in that area. I know that area
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: very well. It is a high trafficking area. There's a
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: lot of farmland out there, and and uh and that
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: we worked many cases in that area where and this
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: is this hypothesis, but I think you should be looked at.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Um and it would explain why she wasn't assaulted sexually yet.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: But but they were trying to maybe course or or
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: force her. So there's a lot of migrant workers in
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: these farmland and we find sex slaves all the time
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: on these farmlands. The service the workers. Now, these workers
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: aren't there to rape people. They want to enjoy sex
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: with people. And so we've seen cases where they'll they'll
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: take they'll kidnap women, put them on the farmland, tie
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: them up and get them to comply. Uh. Perhaps perhaps
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: uh this woman, the super mom, h she wouldn't comply. Uh,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: And so they were trying to get her course or
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: tie her up, brand her and and she just it
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: wasn't worth it anymore and they let her go, you
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: know something like that. He said, But wait a minute.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: She doesn't. She says she doesn't know what they were
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: saying because they were speaking Spanish, so there was no
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: discussion of being taken to some kind of a farm
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: and being tied up to service migrant workers. As you
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: put it, uh, I call that rape, And I don't
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: know what you're talking about, but no, it's rape for sure.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: That doesn't fit with this, That doesn't that doesn't fit
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: with what she's saying. What police are saying happened, well,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: doesn't know what happened, and so mine is more information.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: I would just if I was, if I was looking
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: at this as I have, you know, dozens of dozen
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: of times, I would start setting hype office is up
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: and trying to see if if anything fits what we
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: know about that area. Her her story doesn't seem to
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: make a whole lot of sense right now, and I
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: certainly would not say that you would have been raped.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: But they try to will coerce these people so they
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: don't have to fight, you know, so they won't seem
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: like they're fighting. Um, it's well another issue to Dave mac.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: I think part of it is that human trafficking that
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Tim Ballard is talking about, and it exists and it's real,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: and it's happening now in our country with children and
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: women every day. It seems foreign too many people. They
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: don't understand it, they don't believe it's happening. It was
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: just a concept to me until I found out how
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: real it is. Dave mac I, now, knowing what I know,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: do not think it's inconceivable that she was taken and
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: then rejected for whatever reason. I'm I agree with you.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: I'm very familiar with human traffic. I've worked with a
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: couple of ministries that deal with young girls who are
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: taking in and put into it. However, we know that
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: she was not sexually molested or abused um by her
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: own admission, by her own claims that didn't occur. We
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: know from her own story that she was held by
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: two women. We know they found DNA from a man
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: on her clothing. We also know that we've got a
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: history here with her. And again I am not bagging
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: on her. I have been behind her a percent on
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: her story. I'm merely saying that there are some things
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: here that just don't add up for me, and I'm
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: just questioning them. She've got a history of potential drug use,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: we got run ins with the law. We've got mental illness,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: we've got parents calling the law on her in her past,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: and again now the call or the contacting a man
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: not her husband, to meet up while he's in California.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: I'm not suspicious and of that, just pointing it out
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: that it is a fact that a couple of days
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: after that meat doesn't happen, her husband finds her phone
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: headphones with hair still attached and says that she was
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: taken by somebody. You know which I agree. I agree
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: that it's a factor. Everything is important and nothing is important.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: What I mean by that is every single piece of evidence,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: every clue, every sintilla of evidence is something that has
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: to be looked at and evaluated to determine if it
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: means anything. And yes, the timing is coincident. No, I
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: don't know about this mental illness and drugs that you're
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: talking about. I know that there have been police reports
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: and family brew hahas, but I don't know if that
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: factors into this. This is what we know. Gramy surveillance
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: video has just been released as Sherry Peppini just moments
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: before a driver noticed her running out into traffic alongside
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: of the road on the interstate there in California. Does
• 31:57
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• 33:52
  Speaker 1: you Lying in the dirt dead. That's what a boxer says.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: He was lying in the dirt, playing dead. This guy
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: works with police to fake his own murder and staying
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: the would be killer. I Meancy Grace, this is crime Stories.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Man, what a story.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Ray Sosa gathered evidence his beloved wife was offering two
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Man, that's a cheap price. Uh, you know,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: two thousand dollars for a hit. I mean you could
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: get a payment plan and offer a little bit more
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: than that. Anyway, two thousand dollars to have him killed.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: His beloved wife, Maria had approached you guy, but the
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: man busted her. Now what do we know about this wife?
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: Joining me? An all star lineup, renowned defense attorney out
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: of the Maryland jurisdiction, Robin Ficker, no stranger to the courtroom,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: also with me Maria Boyntont investigative reporter with V one
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: O three in w A O KA, and forensic psychiatrist
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Dr Daniel Bober. You know, before I go to Maria
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: on the facts, just one quick question to Dr Daniel Bober,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: who so often seems to sympathize with defendants. Um, Dr Bober,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: why don't people just get a divorce? Why go through
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: the hassle of arranging a hit or you know, as
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: I always say, if you want a job done, just
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: do it yourself. But you know, you just can't teach
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: people anything, so why not just get a divorce? What's
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: what's that all about? Dr Bober? Cheaper to keeper Nancy,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: That's what they often say sometimes. Um, you know, morality
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: gets in the way of finances and it's just more
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: convenience and knock them off, right. But if you're gonna
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: hire hit man, you gotta check references. It's very important.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at the photos this guy had taken of
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: himself quote dead in the dirt, with a bullet wound
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: in his temple in his right temple, blood coming from
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: his nose. He looks dead to me. Oh, there is
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: a nice picture of him and his wife, Ray and
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: his wife Maria. Whoa, they look so happy there at
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: some fancy extravaganza. She's got on the quintessential little black dress.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: She's beautiful, long, gorgeous, raven haired, colored locks, and he's
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: all dressed up as well. They couldn't look happier. So
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: tell me what happened to Maria Bloynton v. One O three.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: What happened, well, Nancy. What appears to have happened is this.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: The money got low. He was a gym owner, Nancy,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: and then the money started to dwindle. It got low.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: They were having financial issues and she asked for a divorce.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: He had to stay in the home because the money
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: was so low. Then she went out and said, you
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: know what I want my husband killed went to this
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: guy who we know him as Gustavo and said, you
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: know what, I want him gone, I want him dead.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Gustavo even says that Maria put the fingers to her temple,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: saying I want him out of here. Of what happened then,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: was Gustavo knew her husband? Wait? No, wait, So that's
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: how it went down. He actually knew the husband unbeknownst
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: to the wife. How did Gustavo which is a perfect
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: name for a hit man, It sounds kind of creepy
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: in possibly Russian anyway, so feeding into all of our deepest,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: darkest fears. So how did Gustavo know the husband? Well,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: the husband says that years before you know, he's a
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: gym owner. He teaches boxing. He had mentored the guy,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: he had taught him boxing. So Gustavo remembered the husband
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: and coldman said, Yo, I need to meet with you.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Somebody wants you dead. Okay, hold on, Robin Ficker, Robin Ficker, uh,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: veteran defense Durney joining me from the Maryland jurisdiction. Robin,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: let me tell you a funny story talking about small world.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: I went to the dentist the other day, which I
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: do not like to go to the dentist. Okay, so
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: I'm there and they're looking back in the back of
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: my mouth, and the dentist says, so you remember I
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: was on your jury, right, And of course I couldn't
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: speak because he has hand down my mouth. And I
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: looked at him, and suddenly it did come back to me,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Robin Ficker. This guy was on a jury of mine
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: that I struck right after I became a prosecutor, and
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: it was a bank robbery case, complete with a bank
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: robbery note, the works. And I found out midway through
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: the trial that I had a convicted bank robber on
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: the jury. Okay, so I didn't think I stood a chance,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: a snowball's chance and h double l. So anyway, this
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: this dentist was on my jury. I did manage to
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: somehow eke out a conviction. Robin Ficker, I'm sure you're
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: sad about that, but so it's not. It doesn't strike
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: me as odd or coincidental at all that Gustavo knows
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: the husband. How would I know? You know, twenty years later,
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: my jury foreman would have his hand down my mouth. Well, um,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: I hope he didn't grill you so that it was painful.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: But I can tell you you folks have it backwards
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: on his husband, Ray. He was in the dirt. He's
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: a dirt ball. He reminds me of Robert de Niro,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: of the raging bull who used to beat up his
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: wife and couldn't control his emotions outside the ring. He
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: had been beating her for years, and she had been
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: telling everyone about it. She was one of these me
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: too ladies. She was telling everyone his business associates. So
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: then Gstavo and Ramand conspired to set her up to
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: entrap her. They knew she was angry at Ramand for
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: all these beatings, so then they set her up, and
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: she made statements that she wouldn't have made to anyone
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: else because she didn't really want him killed, but she
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: wanted revenge of some kind because he had been beating
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: her for years. She was entrapped, and her defense attorney
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: should have brought that defense. There's no away she should
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: have gotten any jail time out of this at all.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: Maria Boynton w A, Okay, I've read exactly what Attorney
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Robin Ficker out of the Maryland Jurisdiction has is talking about.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: It's she never made a complaint to police or uh,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: there's never a police report, nothing about abuse. What where
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: it came from? What he's saying, Maria Boynton is the victim.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: Ray Sosa said that for months before she tried to
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: have him killed, that she was bad mouthing him, saying
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: he stole their money, that he drank, that he abused her.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Nobody came forward and supported that claim, Maria, nobody, No, Nancy,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: they didn't. And of course the evidence is that she
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: pleaded guilty, received twenty years in prison. She's waived any
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: appeal which she pleaded guilty. She pled guilty to the
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: offensive solicitation of murder. And you go back to Ray
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: and you see, this guy thought he had the perfect woman.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: She gave him massages. I mean he tried wait wait
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: wait wait wait wait wait wait can we get back
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: to the massages? Wait? Now she is this? Is that?
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she would give him massages and do his
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: nails and rub his body. Was scented oils to quote
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: relax him. And then as soon as the money dried up,
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: all that was off, no more pedicure. She wanted him
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: out of there. What else do you name Maria Boynton? Well,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: what we know is that of course, when the money
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: started to dry up, she wanted him out of there.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: She called Gustavo. She said, I want him dead. She
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: put her fingers to the temple, as we said, because
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: she wanted him out of there. Of course, there was
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: no way to to to to get her to say
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: beat him or something like that. Gustavo said, I asked her,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: do you want me to beat him up? She said, no,
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: I want him dead. He's better off dead for me.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: And that's where we go from here. And of course
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Gustavo called Ray said, dude, somebody wants you dead. Ray
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: thought this has to be a joke. He knew Gustavo
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: from years ago. Gustavo says, you know it's your wife, man,
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: she wants you out of here. And of course what
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: they did was they devised a plan, put a microphone
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: on her. Uh, took the evidence to the police, who
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: of course said, okay, we're gonna get involved in this.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: They went out Doug a grave, got Ray, brought him
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: out there, laid him out there, put the bullet you know,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: seemingly bullet holes on him, laid him in the dirt.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, the pictures are there. He looks like a
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: corpse laying in the dirt. Nancy. They put the blood
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: coming down, the age, blood turning, all colors, and things
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: of that nature. They put it out there so it
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: would seem real. And when when Gustavo took the evidence,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: you know, the hit man let her know, Hey, we've
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: taken care of what you wanted. She she apparently laughed
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: it off, but it was all a joke, and the
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: joke is now on her. Wait a minute, so Dr
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Daniel Boba, forensic psychiatrists, they show her these pictures and
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: it looked very genuine. In fact, cops drive the husband
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: out into the desert and they placed him in a
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: shallow grave. Then they make it look like with um
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: like dramatic theater makeup, that a bullet was shot. The
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: was right temple with blood streaming down his face. Now
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: they then hid ray in a hotel for three days. Okay,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: and what does it mean, Dr Bober that when they
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: show her the pictures of him apparently lying dead out
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: in the in the dirt in the desert, she starts laughing. Nancy,
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: the woman has ice crystals in her veins. Ice cold,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Uh that it's pretty cold blooded. It's pretty psychopathic. Uh,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: she absolutely has no emotional connection or no remorse whatsoever.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: So it's pretty chilling. She must have been so emotionally
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: disconnected from him that she was only interested in her
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: own needs and just felt absolutely no empathy or emotion
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: for him whatsoever. And there was the money in the
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: green card. Maria Boynton Maria investigative reporter with V one
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: O three in w A. Okay, Maria, what about the
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: green card? Yeah, Nancy, let me tell you. The only
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: problem they had in their marriage was what she was
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: from Mexico originally, so she would have to go back home,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: you know, to to get re certified so she could
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: come back over here. But marrying Mr Sosa, now he's
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: originally from Puerto Rico. He is an American citizen. Now
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: marrying him entitled her to a green card meeting she
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: could stay permanently in the US, you know. And that's,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: of course, it's where they opened this gym together. Because
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: they were this loving couples. Remember now, she had done
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: the hot oils, rubbed his feet, rubbed his back, loved
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: him like a man wants to be loved, and then
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: she wanted him killed. What what what you mean? I've
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: got a rub hot oil on my husband and give
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: him a pedicure. Listen, Maria, that ain't happening, okay, And
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: so all I can do to get up at five
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning and get the children fed into
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: school and get all their homework done and work make
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: a living. Right now, Maria, do you know that I
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: have under one roof, two dogs, two cats, two guinea pigs,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: three children, my mother, my husband. I mean, I don't
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: have time to be rubbing hot oil onto anybody, forget it.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: So wait, I don't know how I got off on
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: hot oil. Let me get back to this. So she
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: gets the green cart and then suddenly Robin Ficker, whoop,
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: See the pedicures are over? What hot oil? What? What
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: Masson's Forget about it, buddy, Robin Fickure. You don't see
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: that as a little bit of a coincidence. I see
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: this lovely young woman being falsely accused. He had the
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: next babe lined up and wanted to get rid of her.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: And interestingly, he won't say anything about this new babe
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: that he has. He is duplicitness and nobody has excepts you.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: He's an abuser with what what next? Babe? Are you
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: talking about? And she let it be known. He and
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: he and his friend, his buddy co conspirator, gestabo and
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: trapped her. He admits that he has a new girlfriend
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: and he had her in his sights before we got
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: rid of the old one. That's that's pretty common these days. Well,
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: having somebody, having somebody in your sights that you've been
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: admiring at a distance. It's not the same thing as
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: having an affair. Dr Daniel bober Um. I've got to
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: admit I go through life with blinders on. I am
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: so not interested in another man. I've already raised this one.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: I don't want to start over with another one. But
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: it would not hurt my feelings terribly if my husband
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: happened to turn his head and look at a good
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: looking woman. All right, I mean I do believe he
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: still has red blood pumping through his veins. I mean, okay,
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: so he's gonna look. I'm not hurt, but that does
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: not mean you're cheating. Nancy. I agree with you. I mean,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: it seems like it seems like it seems like when
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: the SPA membership was over, it seems like the marriage
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: was over and she was intent on ending in her way.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: I don't really see any evidence that, you know, he
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: was going outside the marriage or that he was abusing her,
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: but you know, certainly possible, but I just don't see
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: anything like that. I mean, after all, Maria, Maria Boynton,
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: can you not? Jackie and I agree on one thing.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, a man is gonna look, all right, they look,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: They're like you know, dogs, They're gonna look. Let's just
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: be glad. That's all they do. Just because he is
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: admiring a lady does not mean he was having a
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: romantic relationship with her. What it boils down to is
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Robin Ficker, who is a veteran defense attorney. Now you
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: see why he wins all these cases. He's got us
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: also spun around with claims of affairs and abuse and this,
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: and that. He's ignoring the evidence right under his nose,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: and we actually bit on it. Maria, Uh, figure, is
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: that how you went on your cases? You come up
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: with these crazy theories and juries believe it. I think
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: it's a winning theory. And I think that perhaps there
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: was a this new lady had more enticing things than
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: a little oil and pedicure. She probably worked other areas,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: and that's how she got him under her wing. Okay, him, Maria.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: And what Ray does say about a new woman is
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: that he is now in a new relationship. He does
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: not say at any time that he was cheating on
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: his wife, that he was looking at other women. He
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: said that now he has been a new relationship with
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: a new woman, and we know he's hoping that thieves
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: go better than the laugh. Let's just tell this one
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: doesn't try to kill him. Okay, he managed to escape
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: with his life and she's in the slammer after pleading guilty. Okay,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: caught in the nick of time. Dinner make you finally
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: get to laugh about a story because the victim, the
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: murder victim, actually lived. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: goodbye friend,