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#265 - Jason Lee · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Who let keV show special guests in here the conglomerate
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  Speaker 1: known as Jason Lee. You know, it's so funny. When
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  Speaker 1: I first moved to LA and I was a consultant,
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  Speaker 1: I was consulting people on ship. My company was called
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  Speaker 1: the Conglomerate Group. Well and check you out, man, you're
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  Speaker 1: building yourself a media empire. Congratulations on the new show.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's dope too, because I saw like kind
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  Speaker 1: of like the Well. First of all, I always preferred
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  Speaker 1: Hollywood Unlocked over Shade Room and Baller Alert because I
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  Speaker 1: always thought, you guys when we would do sh'll just
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  Speaker 1: be controversial out there. Gate No, no no, no, I'm being honest,
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  Speaker 1: damn if I what's up? No, no, no, They're great.
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  Speaker 1: I'm letting you know. If I if you were to
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  Speaker 1: go to my saved posts over the last like six years,
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  Speaker 1: ninety percent of all of my news is Hollywood Unlocked. Bro,
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  Speaker 1: Why why Hollywood on lot? I just feel like you
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  Speaker 1: guys were like like, I feel like you guys are
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  Speaker 1: more like active I guess if that makes sense. I
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  Speaker 1: feel like Baller Alert sometimes, like I might get like
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  Speaker 1: five or six posts a day. Some days we're like
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  Speaker 1: if I'm like really trying to see what the fuck's
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  Speaker 1: like going on, like in real time, like I'll go
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  Speaker 1: to you or you know, even like my mixtapes like
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  Speaker 1: post shit, like I like, but I'm pretty active, they're
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  Speaker 1: like super active. But I do feel like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you've kind of all for me, been like a great
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  Speaker 1: source of like doing show prep, you know, just as
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  Speaker 1: a radio personality, and now you're fucking killing it. I've
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  Speaker 1: you know, I loved what you were doing with Damage
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  Speaker 1: during the pandemic and to see you kind of turn
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  Speaker 1: into Jason Lee being kind of like as big or
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  Speaker 1: bigger than your company and the Jason Lee show Man.
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  Speaker 1: Just congrats, thank you, thank you. Yeah. I first wanted
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  Speaker 1: to shout out Robin and Angie, two amazing women who
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  Speaker 1: you know, inspire me in different ways. Angie at the
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  Speaker 1: Shave Room was somebody who was Shade Rooms like the
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  Speaker 1: like the the Michael Jordan of this right there. Well,
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  Speaker 1: we're all different, you know, That's the thing. You know,
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  Speaker 1: when I first came in the game, everybody was saying, oh,
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  Speaker 1: don't do Hollywood a lot because the Shade Room and
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  Speaker 1: Baller Alert's been here before. Everybody in Shade Room has
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  Speaker 1: as many followers and there's no room in the space.
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  Speaker 1: And I always believed in myself. I was like, fuck
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  Speaker 1: what y'all talking about. I'm gonna do whatever I want
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  Speaker 1: to do. I mean, I'm a person who survived the hood.
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  Speaker 1: I came out of nothing that I've fucking been shot.
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  Speaker 1: I've seen all types of shit happen, Like, there's no
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  Speaker 1: way you survive all that and think that you can't
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  Speaker 1: be anything you want to be. ANGI if the Shade
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  Speaker 1: Room was the first to really like guide me on
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  Speaker 1: how to build She's super cool too, She's a sweetheart. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: how to build audience, how to really connect with them,
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  Speaker 1: and how to focus on your content. And then Robin,
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  Speaker 1: when I lost my Instagram, was the person who guided
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  Speaker 1: me through the lawsuit and checked on me every day
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  Speaker 1: and even still today with the new show, text on
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  Speaker 1: me and we have a great relations And they have
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  Speaker 1: a dope ball baller alert Radio is dope. You're both
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  Speaker 1: dope ball alerts in the films. We're all just very different.
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  Speaker 1: I think the one thing that makes us unique where
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  Speaker 1: I think you see me more is Jason Lee is
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  Speaker 1: also a brand in the face of Hollywood, So you
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  Speaker 1: see me a lot more you hear my shows and
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  Speaker 1: my interviews, and so you see me more. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know that's what whoever's posting for y'all is just on
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  Speaker 1: top of it. Brouh, They're on it. They killing it.
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  Speaker 1: Like I'm like, it's crazy because like it used to
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  Speaker 1: be like let me check TMZ or so I'm like, no,
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  Speaker 1: let me see this. Hollywood A lot posted yo. I
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  Speaker 1: know when you posted that the Queen died. Me and
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  Speaker 1: my co host James Jefferson, we were like praying. We
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  Speaker 1: were like, and this is like a bad thing. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: we weren't. We weren't praying that she now y'all want
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  Speaker 1: her to be dead. No, we didn't want her to
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  Speaker 1: be dead. You wanted the story. But I was like
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  Speaker 1: very like, I was like, oh, this is huge, bossile,
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  Speaker 1: this would be huge if Jason Nails's how like when
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  Speaker 1: something like that happens. Obviously didn't end up. She ended
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  Speaker 1: up passing away after but allegedly listen social media, you
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  Speaker 1: know they killed me. Oh I was wrong, and then
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  Speaker 1: you know, you didn't really see her, and then they
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  Speaker 1: came back and said, oh, Jason was right the whole time.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you know, I have to say in the
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  Speaker 1: business that I'm in, you have to trust your sources.
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  Speaker 1: I've learned a lot since that experience, though, Like I
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  Speaker 1: still trust the source because the source. If I ever
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  Speaker 1: said the source, which I won't, I mean, it's somebody
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  Speaker 1: that all of us would just gag if you just
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  Speaker 1: heard the person who told me. But then try to printerry.
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  Speaker 1: I'm kidding, I wish but no, I mean, like, but
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  Speaker 1: then at this on the other hand, it was a
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  Speaker 1: huge gamble, and you know, we rolled the dice and
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  Speaker 1: you know, sometimes you hid and sometimes you don't. And
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  Speaker 1: it was just one of those things where I loved
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  Speaker 1: that I went through that because it just showed everybody
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  Speaker 1: that I was human. We made a mistake, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we came back and owned it and we corrected and
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  Speaker 1: we kept it pushing and we were still getting deals.
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  Speaker 1: We're still growing, you know. So for people who don't know,
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  Speaker 1: are you from Stockton? Stockton? Yea, So the two O
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  Speaker 1: nine is a very serious place. People don't understand it.
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  Speaker 1: Like that's why they were talking about how ruthless the
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  Speaker 1: industry is. No go to stock Dockton's crazy. It's a lot.
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  Speaker 1: My manager, Brian Samson is from Stockton, I mean, unfortunately
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  Speaker 1: for both of us. And one day he convinced me
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  Speaker 1: to not take us a flight home from San Francisco
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  Speaker 1: because I was gonna fly from San Francisco back to
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  Speaker 1: Burbank and he was driving, and he was like, bro,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to drive alone. Just just drive with me.
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  Speaker 1: You know you'll get You'll get there in the morning.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm like, fine, I'll go with you to Stockton. No, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: we're supposed to drive from the Bay back to La Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So I passed out in the front seat and I
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  Speaker 1: wake up in the middle of the fucking the trenches
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  Speaker 1: of Stockton while he's giving me an unvolunteered like hood
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  Speaker 1: vlog tour at like one in the morning, and it yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's a rough place, man, Stockton's serious. Tell me a
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  Speaker 1: little bit about just like a childhood growing up man. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Brian's a hometown hero too, because even earlier in my
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  Speaker 1: you know, when I was before the industry, I always
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  Speaker 1: heard of he would always he did great making in
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  Speaker 1: La working in the music business, and then he would
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  Speaker 1: always go home and DJ fly and he would give
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  Speaker 1: people hope that they could make it in the business.
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  Speaker 1: But and I don't have a relationship with him. I
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  Speaker 1: just know of them. Of course. Lucky for you. By
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  Speaker 1: the way, Stockton is great. I mean, you know, even
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  Speaker 1: though it's a difficult city, I really feel like it
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  Speaker 1: has its challenges, like most inner city communities around the world,
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  Speaker 1: around the country. I grew up with a white mom
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  Speaker 1: and a black father who was always married to his wife.
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  Speaker 1: She just passed away a couple of weeks ago, And
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  Speaker 1: you know, I didn't have a relationship with him the
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  Speaker 1: way that I have my mom. But you know, I
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  Speaker 1: was a produe to my community. I tried to sell
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  Speaker 1: drugs and good at that got shot, watch my brother
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  Speaker 1: get murdered, had lots of friends that I was talking
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  Speaker 1: to my friend the other day that when I think
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  Speaker 1: about how many people died in the year of just
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  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven alone, my brother, tons of friends. I
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  Speaker 1: was almost at a funeral every other week for like
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  Speaker 1: three or four months. And I really look at Stockton
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  Speaker 1: as the place where I first got my interest in
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  Speaker 1: the business. I met Queen Latifa. That light, that idea
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  Speaker 1: that I could be more than my community was there.
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  Speaker 1: But now I'm back building my foundation and working with
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  Speaker 1: my mayor and my city Council to launch an initiative
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  Speaker 1: called the Iron Ready Initiative, where we're going to target
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  Speaker 1: black and brown kids to bring in all the people
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  Speaker 1: I built a relationship with to create programming and you know,
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  Speaker 1: zoom meetings and stuff with these kids to give them hope.
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  Speaker 1: But then embedded in that as a lot of behavioral
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  Speaker 1: change and program and systemic changes that they have to
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  Speaker 1: make in order to be eligible. So I'm excited. I
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  Speaker 1: don't see. I know the narrative about Stockton, and it's true,
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  Speaker 1: it is dangerous, but there's also so much hope there.
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  Speaker 1: And I always look at an opportunity where Okay, yeah
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  Speaker 1: it may be fucked up, but if the right people
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  Speaker 1: care enough, then they'll do what it takes to make
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  Speaker 1: it better. Yeah, it seems like a lot of the
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  Speaker 1: up and coming artists like have died recently. It's rough man,
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  Speaker 1: there's like super dope, thriving hip hops. To me, Stockton
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  Speaker 1: is like the most exciting scene in hip hop in
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  Speaker 1: like in California. It's bubbling. I'm not as tapped in
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  Speaker 1: on the music. It's lit. Yeah, shout out to everybody
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  Speaker 1: doing their thing out there. We had the Haiti Baby,
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  Speaker 1: do you know of course, of course that freestyle on
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  Speaker 1: our show that we no no because of you. I
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  Speaker 1: saw him and then he came on my show, and
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  Speaker 1: I think he came on my show at a time
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  Speaker 1: where he wasn't really ready to be media because he
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  Speaker 1: was just new. But he's super talented. And now that
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  Speaker 1: I've seen him grow and come to LA and I've
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  Speaker 1: I've had lunch with him and met him again. Very articulate,
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  Speaker 1: super solid dude man, very good person. And here's these
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  Speaker 1: very talented and I know a lot of people who
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  Speaker 1: met are watching him. Yeah geez, just he's just signed
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  Speaker 1: a CTE with Cheezy Nice, So congrats to him. So
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  Speaker 1: how do you get from being a kid from Stockton
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  Speaker 1: who's been through so much shit to La. Well, I
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  Speaker 1: had a job, I mean, before entertainment, I worked for
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  Speaker 1: a labor union called SCIU. I was the staff director
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  Speaker 1: for Kaiser Permanente so Kaiser Hospitals all throughout California. I
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  Speaker 1: was one of the three directors who led a team
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  Speaker 1: of organizers who organized all the hospitals and clinics. So
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  Speaker 1: that came by way of me losing my job, but
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  Speaker 1: being very vocal with the city about what I felt
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  Speaker 1: was right or wrong about the firing. They saw me
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  Speaker 1: advocating for myself, they offered me a job. I was
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  Speaker 1: a Kaiser patient at the time. I felt like, Yo,
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  Speaker 1: now I'm going to be a Kaiser patient with the
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  Speaker 1: privilege of advocating for other patients at the level of
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  Speaker 1: organizing the leader. So I did that work for eleven
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  Speaker 1: years and when we merged with at the time it
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  Speaker 1: was Local two fifty, merged with Local three ninety nine,
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  Speaker 1: became SCIUHW. I was the first staff to come down
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  Speaker 1: and help lead the statewide program to really move people
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  Speaker 1: into what the union was going to be about. And
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  Speaker 1: when I got here, I had established so many relationships
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  Speaker 1: from visiting over the years, having met Queen and Tea
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  Speaker 1: for thirty years ago, and just over the years many people.
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  Speaker 1: When I got here and I started going to supper club,
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  Speaker 1: I started going to Le Doux, I started going to Guardnaviden,
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  Speaker 1: and then I started popping up a Jamie Fox. I
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  Speaker 1: just fell in love with the industry again from an
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  Speaker 1: idea that I could abandon my job to follow my dreams,
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  Speaker 1: and overtime it happened, and naturally when it was time,
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  Speaker 1: I just went Hollywood on line full time. When did
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  Speaker 1: you like make the decision to quit the job. Was
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  Speaker 1: it like because you made a certain amount of money?
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  Speaker 1: How they fired me? Oh? They fired you, So you
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  Speaker 1: had really kind of like no choice. They didn't fire
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  Speaker 1: me because I did anything wrong. When we merged with
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  Speaker 1: the unions, there became a lot of inner union fighting
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  Speaker 1: that I was just was beyond my pay grade. So
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  Speaker 1: when they removed our president, I was very loyal to
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  Speaker 1: the leadership, and I'm a loyal person, like when I
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  Speaker 1: ride for you or write with you, I'm ten toes down. Period.
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  Speaker 1: I don't care what nobody says unless you do some
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  Speaker 1: real crazy shit, right. So they removed the president and
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  Speaker 1: they took all the staff. There was probably three hundred
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  Speaker 1: some staff. They took us all into different hotels around
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  Speaker 1: the state, and we were faced with a decision. You
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  Speaker 1: either sign a letter and say that to all the
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  Speaker 1: members you for all these years, that you were lying
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  Speaker 1: to them all the time, or you just quit. So
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  Speaker 1: we were faced with a decision of lying to the
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  Speaker 1: people or quitting, and I just decided to quit, and
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  Speaker 1: I just quit. So from there it was like I'm
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  Speaker 1: all in now and there's no choice. There's no choice.
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  Speaker 1: That's when I saw a conglomerate group and I started putting,
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  Speaker 1: Oh you want Chris Brown, Oh you want this person? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I started ten percenting my way into survival mode, middleman
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of deals. Absolutely, I still do. It's
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  Speaker 1: a great hustle. I still do it to this day. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's dope. Yeah, I mean that's good to know. So
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  Speaker 1: for you, like when did you do you remember like
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  Speaker 1: a month or like a point in time where you
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  Speaker 1: really realized like there was really like some tread hitting
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  Speaker 1: the ground with Hollywood unlocked, like you could you could
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  Speaker 1: turn this into something that was like I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: can't remember the moment where I go, this is actually
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  Speaker 1: doing something Like I remember when we first started. We
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  Speaker 1: started with one hundred dollars. What year was this, twenty
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  Speaker 1: fifteen October one hundred dollars and Instagram website. And then
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  Speaker 1: while I was building it, I called Mona to get
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  Speaker 1: on love and hip hop. But while I was doing it,
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  Speaker 1: we were so headed down in the work that we
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  Speaker 1: weren't paying attention to the girls. We just we weren't
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  Speaker 1: counting numbers, counting followers, counting comments. We were just so
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  Speaker 1: into the work and perfecting the storytelling and what was
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  Speaker 1: going to differentiate us from our competitors, and how were
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  Speaker 1: we working with those competitors be collaborators, and we just
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  Speaker 1: head down and then I remember we went for like
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  Speaker 1: zero followers to like I remember, I remember the day
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  Speaker 1: we went to we had sixty thousand, because that was
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  Speaker 1: the day where we were all like, Dad, we got
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  Speaker 1: sixty thousand followers, it's a lot. That's a lot. And
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  Speaker 1: then and then I remember one day in one hundred
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  Speaker 1: and it was three hundred, and it was five hundred,
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  Speaker 1: and it was a million. And so I remember all
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  Speaker 1: those moments of where we were hitting those milestones, and
• 11:34
  Speaker 1: we just kept trying to perfect the consumer experience because
• 11:38
  Speaker 1: ultimately we at first were just a place where were
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  Speaker 1: talking about what was what was going on. But then
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: people started picking us up and we were going all
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  Speaker 1: across the world in different news trades, and then we
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  Speaker 1: started seeing politicians reach out, so we're like, oh damn.
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  Speaker 1: Then I remember an article came out that we swayed
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  Speaker 1: an election, So I'm like, okay, we have real influence.
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  Speaker 1: Which election was it? This was back home in Stockton.
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  Speaker 1: I literally just said my opinion on something, and then
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  Speaker 1: it got picked up by LA Times and then different
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  Speaker 1: people ran in and then the vote literally it swayed,
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  Speaker 1: and the person came out and said that it disgruntled work,
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  Speaker 1: a disgruntled former resident. You use his platform for him
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  Speaker 1: to lose, And it wasn't true. It was just that
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  Speaker 1: you weren't a good mayor and you need to go.
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  Speaker 1: So once it started seeing our influence, then I was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we were really honing in on making sure that we
• 12:22
  Speaker 1: were hitting all demographics, so pop culture, all things culture, politics.
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  Speaker 1: How do we hit all these three things from a
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  Speaker 1: world perspective, like what do people want to hear that
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  Speaker 1: the whole world can talk about? What can they talk
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  Speaker 1: about in Nigeria that they'll talk about in London, that
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  Speaker 1: they'll talk about in la that they're going to talk
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  Speaker 1: about in Arkansas. How do we create that content? And
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: then it became a very strategic thing where then we
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: started looking at the needle like okay, this got twelve
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  Speaker 1: million views of this got okay, now this show got
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  Speaker 1: x amount of That's how we really looked at the
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  Speaker 1: growth and now we're just growing. Yeah, you're also like
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  Speaker 1: what I appreciate about you is that you're very like
• 13:00
  Speaker 1: you'll hop on the feed of the and like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: if you're serious about your business, period, hit us up.
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  Speaker 1: Because so many people think that success comes by luck. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: maybe if you hit the winning ticket in the lottery. Right.
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  Speaker 1: This shit is a fucking grind. And I tell everybody
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  Speaker 1: online that keeps posting these fucking tiktoks and he's boring
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  Speaker 1: ass pieces of content. You're lazy and nobody likes lazy content.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody can tell what's lazy. Some people may get that quick,
• 13:26
  Speaker 1: you know, overnight success, the boom gangs, the one hit
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  Speaker 1: Wonders or whatever. And that's fine if that's what you want,
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  Speaker 1: But if you want sustainable success, you have to invest
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  Speaker 1: in your brand. I paid for advertising. I advertise Hollywood Aloe,
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  Speaker 1: and I marketed the fuck out of my shit. Can
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  Speaker 1: if you have an up becoming business or like a product,
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  Speaker 1: why wouldn't you advertise your shit, especially on a platform
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  Speaker 1: that creates small business programs for people who are new.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we have the fashion novas of the world
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  Speaker 1: or the McDonald's and Pepsis, but then there's you know,
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  Speaker 1: somebody may start a haircare company or a t shirt
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  Speaker 1: line or something. You know, we make sure we carve
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  Speaker 1: out space for those people to be able to, you know,
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  Speaker 1: advertise a brand that's dope man for you, When did
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  Speaker 1: you kind of like want to expand because you know,
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  Speaker 1: Instagram's one business model. Being a blog is a business model,
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  Speaker 1: but you've kind of expanded the brand into so many
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  Speaker 1: different like branches of like, uh, just expanding the portfolio.
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  Speaker 1: You know. Obviously now we have the Jason Lee Show,
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  Speaker 1: which which congrats on the first episode with Cardi B.
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: But when did you kind of realize, like, yo, there's
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: just way there's just so much more here than just
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: being a blog or being the gossip site. When my
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: Instagram went down, because that was like where most of
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: our revenue was coming from. And when that shit was
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: that twenty nineteen it was twenty shit, I don't even know,
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: it was probably twenty seventeen, twenty eight. It maybe maybe
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: been twenty It's a blur now it's been. It was
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: too it was I remember when that happened because I
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: and then I would try to there was like a
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: different page you guys had right there. We had we
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: had a fucking what do you call those? A backup page? Yeah,
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: the backup page going Yeah, and then that became complicated
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: because then Instagram was like, if you lost Hollywood Unlock,
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: you can't have a backup to that because you lost it,
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: because you lost it for a reason, company violid, you
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: know whatever. It was crazy. I think once I lost that,
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: it scared me because I think the thing that for
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: me that I never followed my dreams early on was
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: the fear of not being able to pay my bills.
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: That's everybody's dream, that's that's everybody's fear, which is why
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: a lot of people are afraid to start their own
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: brands and they're afraid to quit their full time job.
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: The union was paying me five thousand every week, every
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: other week, So every other week I was I was
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: hood rich on Thursday. On Friday, I was hood rich.
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: On Thursday, I was broke. But every other Friday I
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: was I have money. So to leave that, I was
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: forced to leave it, but then hustling to then leave
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: all that, to really focus everything into put all my
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: eggs in one basket was scary. And so when I
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: lost the Instagram, my whole focus was, Okay, fuck that.
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: When I come back, we're going to diversify this brand.
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: We're going to have at least ten to fifteen streams
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: of revenue, and if ten to fifteen streams of revenue
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: are bringing in five thousand needs, you can kind of
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: do the math. If we do that on a monthly basis. Now,
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: of course we're you know, making close to seven fifth
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: yours every month. But so now it's a more sustainable
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: model because now that the brand has become validated and
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: it has created its own lane, now it's just about
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: how to we plug and play into other areas. Yeah. Yeah,
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: I think like the one thing that most people you
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: were saying earlier, the fear of paying your bills. It's
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: like it kind of like paralyzes people's progress. Like so
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: many people I know, like in my personal life, have
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: so much potential, and I always am like, like, yo,
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: you should do this. Like I got a homie he
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: was like in the best shape every works out every day,
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: and I've been trying to convince him to be like
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: a personal trainer and start a gym for like it
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: feels like my entire adulthood. And now he just has
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: a normal job and he's miserable, and I'm like, dude,
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: you got to roll the dice. Sometimes you have to
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: feel like your dreams are worth fighting through the fear.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: You know, my whole model. When I wrote my book,
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: God must have forgotten about me. I wrote about fear
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: over faith, a faith over fear. You know, when I
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: used to get on a plane early on, I'd be like,
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: oh my God, this plan is going to crash, this
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: plan is going to be all the turbulent is We're
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: gonna die. But then on one hand, I'm over here
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: listening to gospel music telling people that you have to
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: have faith in God, you have to have faith in this.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: So I had to really go back into what I believe.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: What is my faith? What is the foundation of the
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: Jason Lee person, and what is the what is the
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: foundational belief that the Jason Lee experiencedick Zoot faith over fear.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: So my faith is I had to find the faith
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: that I believed in myself enough to get through the
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: fear and most people. When I talked to him, like
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: I was talking about therapists today in therapy, I was
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: saying to him I'm going to do I said, I'm
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: gonna do this new show that I'm selling to this network,
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: and I want to bring you in to do this therapeuticccession.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: But I was telling my creative idea for it, And
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: I said, well, why don't you do a show where
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: you sit down and work with people who've been canceled
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: and work through why they've been canceled in a way
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: that makes them, you know, uncancellable. That sounds like a
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: million dollar idea. We're talking about it. He was like, yeah,
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: I would do that because he works with other celebrity
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: and public figures. And I'm like, yo, I started telling
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: my ideas and he was like, yo, you're You're just
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: You're able to come up with ideas that is unlike
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: anybody else. I said, that's not true. I'm able to
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: focus because that is something that I believe in, and
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: anybody that believes in something, they can just push past
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: the fear, Like I feel like anything responsible. Yeah. I
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: saw you do like a breakdown of like all the
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: new shit that's rolling out. And it's not just the
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Jason Lee Show. No, it's like you're doing a live
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: streams Jason Lee experience. You're doing like Monday through Friday.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: There's like gonna be something, right. So there's the Jason
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Lee Show on Revolt and you're the first person on
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: this whole run for people to ask me this question
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: because I think people are and I love that people
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: are focused on the show, but what people were when
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: you made that announcement, I was like, oh shit, yeah,
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: that's that's a lot. So the Jason Lee Show on
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: Revolt we filmed. We filmed five episodes last last week
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: before I went on the Press Store. But that's gonna
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: air once a week on Revolt ten pm Eastern on
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Revolt TV Cable. Then the audio for that rolls out
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: the day before, and so what was holding up the
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: deal was trying to figure out where's this audio going
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: to live because I was also in the negotiations for
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: a podcast deal. So the audio now rolled out on
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: the Jason Lee Podcast on Mondays. It airzon Revolt Cable
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: on Tuesdays and then Revote YouTube on Wednesdays. And the
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: experience is different because you get a forty four minute
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: cut down on Revolt, but then you get like CARDIV.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: We gave a forty four minute cut down on Revolt TV,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: but then we did an hour and twenty seven minutes
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: on Revote YouTube. So it's all the stuff that you
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: don't see on the TV show you see on the YouTube.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: And then I felt like Okay, what is it that
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: I don't want to be the talk show host, so
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: the host that just talks to the audience, I want
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: to hear from them what the fuck they think about
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: what we're talking about. So we created Jason Lee after Dark,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: where that Wednesday, when the YouTube hits and everybody's heard
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: it on audio, watched on cable, watch it on YouTube.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: They can then come into a live experience like a
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  Speaker 1: watch what Happens lifestyle environment at night and we can
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: be drinking and talking and fans can come in and
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: ask questions, video or call in talk their shit. And
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: then the Jason Lee podcast will air on Fridays then
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: and so the Jason Lee after Dark will be on
• 19:56
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  Speaker 1: understand because I see a lot of big podcasts are
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: going the direction of doing deals with Revolt and having
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: their content live on revolts YouTube channel. I'm sure that
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: the monetary compensation is the main motivation for that. For you, though,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: you feel like a really strategic guy, why not have
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: the Jason Lee Show live on your own channel that
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: you own and you control. I mean, I know it's money,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: but just from like a person on this side of
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: the camera, like, I'm just curious, you know, because I
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: see a lot of people. Yeah, okay, that's a great question.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: One shout out to Datavio. Samuel's the CEO of Revolt. Brilliant,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: brilliant black man who believes in culture, who believes in
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: black creators, who believes in creators a culture period. And
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: I've been really big on ownership of your content, being
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: able to create strategic partnerships to elevate your brand, finding
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: people who believe in you as much as you believe
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: in yourself. And to Tavio, did that. You know, I
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: talked about faith over fear and being able to have
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: like you know, there was a fear to like run
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: up on Ditty for a deal or to hit Diddy
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: for a deal, and then I've got over that and
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: I got his number and I called him directly, and
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: he put me with Datavio and Dion at this honesty,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: and we've been able to really craft a relationship with
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Dion on the Dailyon's side and with them on a Revolt.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: What I love about them and why I chose them
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: over all the other networks we're talking about is because
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: when we got into the weeds of the deal, ownership
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: was important to me. So I I share the ownership
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: of the content I created with them, but I owned
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: the show name and I own a share in the
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: profit of the show equally, so we're partners. I don't
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: work for them, they don't work for me. But our
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: teams have integrated and aligned in a way where I
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: went with a five person publicist team and there's six
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: publicists team and now there's eleven publicists working on the show.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: That only amplifies adjacent Lee brand, that only amplifies the isabelity,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: and I love the fact that they pay. They also
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: do paid media as much as we do earn media.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: So the way we just work this whole rollout with CARTI,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: over four billion media impressions, over seven million social media
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: impressions trended number two on I saw you posts like
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: the email screenshot of like the stats. It was crazy
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: And that's the first episode we plan to keep going.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I think the fact that they believe in
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: the ownership and the content was great. I don't know
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: why everybody else did. The money is good. I won't
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: say it's not, but you know what, I've been offered
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: deals where people come to me and said, what if
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: we offer you fifteen million dollars to come over here,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: but we own all your content outright? You own? Are
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: you fucking done? Fuck that? Nah, because I can get
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: because because you're obviously financially well off compared to like
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: a lot of people, like I'm not in your business,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: but you're not doing too bad. But you could easily
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: I mean you did it with Hollywood the Hollywood Unlock Show, right,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: but you could easily have pulled off this entire thing
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: without revolts help I could have but for you. But
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: I do think that This is also a lesson that
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: like some people get so hung up and being like, nah,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: I got this, I'm over here on my own. That it's,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: like you said, strategic partnerships that can benefit what you're doing.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: I think some people, especially in like hip hop culture,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: are so like hung up on being independent now and
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: not necessarily like sometimes it's very beneficial to partner because
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: the bag is bigger in the long run. Yeah, but
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: you got to pay attention, like pay attention to all
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: the grades that out there, because I'm paying attention. Right.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: We just got our evaluation, fifty million dollars valuation. Congratulations,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: that's all you guys just lock down some funding for
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: like one point eight million dollars. Well it's a little
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: bit more than one point seven, but because of the
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: way it's structured, we can only announce to one point
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: seven now. But there's more to come. But you know,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: we have some really good strategic partners. A lot of
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: people offer me money, oh this and that, whatever. I
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: still own ninety percent of the company. I still have
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: control of the company, and I still I make the
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: ten percent investors. Correct, there's a group of people that
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: are strategics. So you know, again these are people who
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: you know have access to billions of dollars, have access
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: to huge infrastructure. I just met with somebody yesterday who
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: was like, don't close that round until I can get
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: in there. And this person, I mean, you're going to
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: open the whole world up in terms of brands. So
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: when I look at how I built it, you know,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: jay Z said, you know somebody who you know? People
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: are afraid to sell equity in their business. I mean,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: if do you want to get to that billion dollar status,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: it's not about what you give away, It's about how
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: you how you sell it off or how do you
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: allow people to get in strategically. So, if I have
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: fifty percent of a company that's worth a billion dollars,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: I walk away five hundred million, or would you rather
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: have one hundred percent of the company is worth a
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: million dollars? Right right? So that really you just have
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: to decide what you want to do. And that for
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: me was always like I look at the jay Z's
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: I look at like the puff It is the best
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: marketer in the business if you followed his career from
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: uptown and I followed it. And so to be able
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: to be on a network that's black owned that he's
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: actually greenlit and that Datavio is leading. I mean also
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: even like even did he look to him like did
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: he bad Boy had partners in the you know whoever,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: they're major distributory. I mean, it's so rack there's a
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: liquor partner there. Did he's the face of it, but
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: it's like he's an extremely smart man. I'd be very
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: clear everybody's I don't have a relationship with him like that.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, I got his number, he's on text, but
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: we're not on the phone every day like I am
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: with other people. I don't have that relationship with him,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: and I don't know where the relationship will go, and
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know what the future holds. But for right now,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: I really just really love what we're doing over there,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: and you know, we have we have ideas for where
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: we want to take the show. Of course, this is
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: like we're dating now. We're trying to see episode one
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: is a success. That's for sure. Episode one was colossal,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: but you know that comes with a lot of pressure.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: What this episode two going to do it? You know,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: or episode three? But I don't have any I'm not
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: worried about it because I know that I'm more locked
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: into this and I've been in anything done for you.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: You have some strong alliances with artists that you are,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: your actual friends, Cardi being one of them. Obviously, there's
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: probably not anybody else who could get the interview that
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: you just got. How careful are you about covering people
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: who are your friends. I'm not careful. I will say
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: that my team is I have to shout out the
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Hollywood on long team, especially the social people, and they're
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: gonna love that you highlight them because nobody ever gives
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: them credit. They are when shit goes down, and if say,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: if it's involving somebody they know I'm close with, they'll say,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: heads up, this is out. We're gonna run it. Here's
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: our idea. They'll tell me it because like here's the
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: angle we're gonna run it. Yeah, they're gonna run what
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: it is, but they'll tell us like, this is what
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: we're gonna say, this is what we're gonna do. They
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: give me an opportunity to call the person say, hey,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: this is about to run. Do you want to tell
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: me what's what's going on? Give me some input some
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: most people will give it to me, others will not.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: And then we'll run it. But if I hear from
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: them something that makes me go, we ain't running that,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: you know, like this this is bullshit. And I've done
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: that many times. Why I've killed stuff that my team
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: wants to run because based on all the information I have,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense. Uh. But yeah, I mean, I
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: don't you know. I was telling that Cardi said on
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: the show. How I told her I didn't like hot shit.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: You know, we were in a heated argument about something
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: completely unrelated because we don't really talk about music or
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: the news. We just talked about live shit like that's
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: I fucking love this girl, right, So we're talking, but
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: we're in a heated argument. She's cussing me out, I'm
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: cussing her out, and uh, I said, oh, and I
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: think hot shit is whack, you know. And she was
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: quiet and I really felt like I heard her feelings.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: But she's a thug, so she you know, she came
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: back at me whatever, But she appreciates me enough to
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: give me the space to be honest with her and
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: I to her and she criticizes me, So I don't know.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: I don't have that relationship with everybody though, but one
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: person I will say that most people don't know I
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: know or have access to that I don't. I won't.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: I won't lie and say that we're friends. But we
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: are very friendly on text and on the phone. We
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: need to be is the weekend, and he always comes
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: at the He only reaches out when he's giving me
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: my flowers, which is which is weird because we write
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: about when his voice fell out at the show and
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: he just walked off, or when this or that or
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: the good things, you know, when he's become hits all
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: these different goals whatever. But we're not like super chatty
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: on the phone. But it's something weird about this guy
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: where he always tunes in to give me my flowers
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: when I'm making moves, And you know, it's people like
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: that that like, sometimes I just don't call because I
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: feel like they're they're going to feel some type way
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: about me or the work that I do, so I'm like,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: I just kind of stay away. But to the people
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: that I do have real personal, deep relationships with, I'm
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: never going to compromise what I do. And those people
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: that are my friends know what I do and they
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: appreciate what I do, so they can at least understand
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: like you have a job to do. They'll call me
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: and be like, that was fucked up. I'm like, okay, well,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: what you want to give me the you know which
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: you want to give me, Like, what are we doing?
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: You know? How many have you? Like, has there been
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: a certain amount of times you've taken stuff down because
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: someone asked you, like, hey, look, if only I can
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: only say that I took the one thing that comes
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: to mind and I and I won't say it because
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: it was a very very tricky, tricky thing. I did
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: take one thing down once that I knew. I put
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: it up on purpose to get the attention, and once
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: the attention was got, I was able to say, okay,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: I'll take that down. But I only did that one time.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: And I'm growing learning how to not use the platform
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: like that to intentionally get people's attention, because for a while,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: when the doors went open for me, I was like,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: you have to shake the cage a little. I have
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: a relationship with every artist in the world. Every artist
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: in the world I do through Hollywood on lock. Some
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: just don't participate. If you participate, there's one experience. If
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: you don't, then you leave us to assume or gather
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: the facts that we get and then once it hits
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: the internet, it is what it is. Yea. So people
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: are learning like I'm not really trying to be the
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: bad guy, but make no mistake about it. I don't
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: give a fuck. And I'm from Stockton, California, where I'm
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: where I was born and raised. You know what's gonna happen.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Y'all gonna kill me because I said some Okay, well,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: if that's the way I'm going out, I'll be legendary.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: I'm not worried about I was gonna say, like, I
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: feel like you made a transition. Everybody has growth, but
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: from being like the Jason Lee who wasn't as big
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: as Hollywood and locked and now your brand is kind
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: of parallel to your company. Do you feel like there
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: was like because you've had some public spats with artists,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: like you said early on you would shake the k
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: jump I mean the nikky thing alone is, you know,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: But do you feel like there was like an incident
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: or a moment in which you kind of decided to
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: move a little differently in terms of like stirring up
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: unnecessary shit. See the thing, I really don't feel like
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: I ever started unnecessary shit I feel like everything I've
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: started or started up was necessary. I'm not gonna let
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: you bully me. I don't care who you are. And
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: I've had moments with everybody. I mean with everybody you
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: can think of. I mean I've had moments with people
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: that people haven't even seen. I don't think I've ever
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: done anything unnecessarily have I just now choose more strategically
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: how I respond. You know, sometimes I'll deal stuff with
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: behind the scenes or whatever. I'm trying to really live
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: in my purpose. Now. I'm forty five years old. I'm
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: still very hungry, but I'm also very blessed and have
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: a lot of opportunities in front of me. And so
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: I think back about a conversation Queen Lyativa when I
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: had where she said, really focus on building your audience
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: and then take them on a journey with you, but
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: don't never abandon them. So the people who love the tea,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: That's what the Jason Lee podcast is gonna be about.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Big opinions, very unapologetic. Every Friday. You're gonna kind of
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: like wrap up the week. Oh my god, very unfiltered. Yes,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: but you know, let's the whole dick plussy fuck this
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: that I mean just you know, but very very blunted,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: and then very unapologetic. And then I think the Jason
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Lee Show. I want to interview Michelle Obama. I want
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: to talk to Barack Obama. These are people that are
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: important to me. I don't want to scare people to
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: the extent that they don't want to talk to me.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: But I also want to be able to keep it
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: real and ask the questions if people want to know,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: Like I have to ask Carti about the song that
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: Quevo did that involved Sleety, I have to ask her
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: about the lawsuit with Tasha k or nobody else can
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: ask these questions. By the way, well they can't. They
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: can get the interview. I don't know. I don't know, no, no, no, listen,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. Carti's gonna go to whatever she does
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: her run. There's gonna be a long list from Dwight
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: from Atlantic, and it's gonna be like, you can't talk
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: about this. She can't talk about this, she can't talk
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: about you're not getting that list. I got the list.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: She throw it away, she threw it away. Wow, I
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: got the list, long fucking list. It's a lot. Carti said, nah,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: we're doing it anything. I mean, you're you're good, You're good,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: You're good. Let me say this, people don't understand the
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: fucking hard shit that people that do this go through.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: What I've said at Hollywood unlock. I'm not letting the
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: publicist tell me what I can and can't ask. I'm
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: not laying to manager. If you want my audience, if
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: you want my consumer base, if you want to talk
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: to me, if you want me to make your shit
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: look good for my world, you can say you don't
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: need it. You're not going to tell me because they
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: would never do it to Oprah. Never. You would never
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: tell Oprah you can't talk about this. Oprah gonna sit
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: down and say, Meghan and Ellen or any of these
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: fucking Meghan, how you thought your black ass was gonna
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: go over there with the white folks in London put
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: a crown on, and they weren't gonna look at you
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: as a black girl. A girl. Bye. You're never gonna
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: be able to tell Opra what you can and can't ask.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: And so when I look at the culture now and
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: how how talk is just very much like let's talk
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: about your album. I don't want to just talk about
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: your fucking album. I want to talk CARTI wasn't on
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: a radio run. CARTI didn't have anything to promote, right,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: She just pulled up and when this list came, I'm
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: not gonna say what I said, but I didn't. CARTI
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: called me as soon as I got the list because
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: I was in a chat because she knew what I
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: was going to say, and she just it was funny.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: We had a moment. But then she pulled up and
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: she said, ask whatever you want, because she knew that
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: she could trust I was going to be. You're not
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: gonna try to set her up with some gotcha shit.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: I don't do that, and the great platforms don't do that. Yeah, yeah,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: I don't do that. But I do feel like a
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: lot of the platforms that do do it is because
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: they got to get something, because you ain't. You fucking
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: tell them. They can't talk about Jesus, they can't talk
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: about oxygen, they can't talk about water, they can't talk
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: about this table, they can't even talk how about how
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: about you just don't ask me any questions. So you
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: just want me to talk about your album. That's it.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: I'm never that person, and I hate radio runs when
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: publicists will say, and this is just for example, because
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: I love this person. Gucci man has an album. Okay,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: look if I'm number five on that, I ain't gonna
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: what the fuck to ask him because I'm not. You know,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: that's where you're gonna. That's where you know he's gonna
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: walk into an interview and I'm playing GEEZI yeah, to
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: create a conversation or move. But I don't want that
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: no more. I want to be able to authentically interview
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: a Gucci and Akisha and be like, Yo, you guys
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: are the epitome of black love and hip hop. Where
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: we watch you guy? She's told me a story about
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: how was that interview coming soon? I hope? So, Gucci,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: I want you and Keisha loves me and I love her.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: But you know her story of how she like held
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: him down while he was in prison and started his
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: fitness thing with him and how they got fit together.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Great yeah yeah uh for you like that list though,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: see y'all don't know yeah yeah. Those of you watching
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: who want to get in this world, just know, grind
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: your fucking ass off and be unapologetic, because that was
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: the one thing that really pushed me to not give
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: a fuck because I would call different people that I
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: knew I helped out when I was the plug, Like
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: I knew you when you couldn't get in the club.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: I knew you when you wanted to go over there
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: and fuck on old boy, and I put you with him.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: And now all of a sudden, you're this and that,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: So now I don't get no love. That's when I
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: started saying, like, I see the games y'all gonna play,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: But how about this? How about I just because I'm
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: too in the business to know what's going on to
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: just sit silent and be a co conspirate in your bullshit.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: So why do I just put it out there and
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: force you? Because if I say something and Vanity Fair
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: picks it up, you may not like Urban press or
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: black media and shit on us and think we're not important.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: But now you got to answer the Vanity Fair Vanyfair
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: is going to ask you the question based on what
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: I said, and they're going to cite me anyway. So
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: I still got the credit. So I figured out the
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: way of like, really, mind fucking the business, where like
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: you don't have to participate in the relationship, I can
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: still get your attention. Yeah, I think that one of
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: the like when I when I first watched that Kanye
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: interview did it was almost two years ago now maybe
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: a year and a half a year. That was like
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: where I was like, Oh, this guy's this guy's got
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: it like this this because you got a great Ya
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: interview with Luck and shout out to what Whack helped
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: make that back one. That's Whack one hundred. He's the
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: secret sauce behind that relationship. Yeah, I love Whack's a
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: great guy man. He doesn't get the credit he deserved.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: I always I've been friends with Whack for over ten years,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: and I always say he's one of the smartest dudes
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: in the game. I know sometimes Whack It's on Clubhouse
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: and Whack is going to whack. Whack is very He's brilliant. Ye,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: he's brilliant. Yeah, people don't give him the credit. And
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: then the other thing I love and he told this
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: story recently that and I want to say that, like
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: when when I opened my studio, Hollywood Blocked Studios, the
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: idea first was very focused on a space for creators
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: to create peer space type situation. Yeah like that, and
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: then uh, the day at open I was sitting in
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: my kitchen with Blue, who was my former co host
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: on the podcast. I was like in Damage, like, how
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: are we gonna I think Damage? I know Blues there
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: because I was like, how are we going to market?
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: How am I going to market it? I don't know
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: how to really do it, Like I don't have never
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: built the space, now how do we market it? Phone
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: rings is whack? Literally, yo, yo yo, nephew, is yo
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: your studio open? I'm like yeah. He's like, yeah, I
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: got somebody that want to rent it. It's okay, put it.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: Let me talk to him. So he puts Kanye on
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: the phone. Wow. Hello, He's like, Yo, this is yay.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: You know, nice to meet you. You You know, I got
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: and I'm like sitting there. Put them on speakerphone and
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: we're like gagging, like what the fuck you know? And
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: he's like, I want to use my cousin pocket. When
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: can you come to dinner? Where can you pull up
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: on someone? You want me an hour? I said, okay,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: I went to Craigs whack. This is the thing that,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: again doesn't really happen because people who plug people in
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: want to be the gatekeeper of that relationship and eat
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: off of that too. Forever Whack came in. He sat
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: me down next to Kanye and he sat all the
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: way across the room completely, let me and Yay sit
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: there and buy for about four hours and really talk
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: and listen to music, and he let me hear all
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: the you know, different stuff he had coming out for
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: down to two and then we started vibing and I
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: started just telling him who I was. When I was
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: about out, we clicked. And then the next day he
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: called and said, what you doing now? So I got
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Floyd Maywell and Evan Ross at my studio were chilling
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: and look at the space. He was like, you want
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: to have a dinner tonight. I got Madonna, asked Floyd
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: if he wanted to come, and then we had this
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: epic ass dinner and then he got in a fight
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: with the I think I saw the pictures from that night.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: It was like you and Madonna was there, was Antonio
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: Brown there there? Yeah? Yeah, And then he got in
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: a fight with the paparazzi that night. Called me the
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: next day and said, well, Wax said, like, you know
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: you can help me with this, that you have a
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: platform that I apologize. I wasn't aware. Yeah, talking about
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Hollywood and like he said, okay, let me know if
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: I can come by. I said, okay, who'll come by?
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: You know, we'll talk about it whenever. So I sent
• 39:38
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• 39:40
  Speaker 1: I'm in a meeting with this woman and our artist
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: and we're sitting there chilling, and then the ding dong
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: at the door. Hell, Johnny, my video director went open
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: the door and was Kanye. It was crazy. He was like,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: let's do it now the interview now, well prep no, yeah,
• 39:53
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  Speaker 1: for a very short stint seven months. Great, I left
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• 42:49
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  Speaker 1: Matter shit was going like, what do you what's the
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: advice you give if he calls you to more? Since I, well,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: I called him to give him the advice. I'm gonna
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: tell you what I was gonna give him right now.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: And I haven't told nobody this and I didn't give
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: it to him because of his response to me what
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: I call it. I'm a very genuine, authentic person. I
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: don't play games. I'm not gonna like sell nobody on nothing.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Even if he wasn't in his right mind, if he
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: at least wanted to stop the bleeding to be able
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: to focus on finding his right mind to then get
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: back to the center, what I would have done. And
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: let's be clear that interview I did with him actually
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: brought him closer back to the center because the culture
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: forgave him. We followed up with a media brunch with
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: all the top black storytellers, all Walks of media. I
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: mean we did to do Facebook. I mean we did.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: I mean he was centered. He chose to be uncentered. Again,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: what I called him to tell him that, I didn't
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: get to tell him directly because he wanted me to
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: put it in a text. I don't text, because he
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: would have plbay screenshoted it and then posted it and
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: been like which is why I chose not to text
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: what he could have done. Because let's be very clear
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: what Yay was saying. The topic that he was talking
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: about was a real topic. The power construct of the industry,
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: the power, the lack of resources, the manipulation. There's a
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: lot of gems in that Drink Champs interview that get
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: overlooked because of the other shitt he said. The delivery
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: was just completely fucking wrong for sure. You know, Jewish
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: people and black people, Mexicans, all different groups have had
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: very challenging experiences in their communities, the Holocaust, slavery. Why
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: do we need a politic pain, Like everybody's been through
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: their shit, right and I've been have relationships with Jewish
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: people who've brought me in and I felt a sense
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: of community where they were all equally interested in my
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: success and pulling together resources, unlike how sometimes my community does.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: So what he was saying in terms of you know,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: different power constructs and you know opportunities and who owns
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: what is true how they did that, I would say,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: we have as a Black community, have to own some
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: of that because we choose to politic positions. Or I'm
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: over here running this so I'm not gonna let these
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: niggas in. I'm gonna let these niggas in, or I'm
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: gonna grandfather homies in, but not put this nigga on.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: Who's on? Like, there's so many people who could have
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: done more for me when they saw me coming because
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: they saw the potential, but they didn't fuck with Maybe
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: I'm gay, I'm this, I'm loud and whatever. Funck them on.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Now I got more money than them. So when I
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: look at with Yay, I said what he was doing.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: I agreed with the topic that he was addressing, but
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: I didn't agree with the delivery. What I told him,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: what I would have told him FM Dubike could have
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: did was during the time when he was burning out
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: with All Lives Matter, Candae Sowans all that and doing
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: every random fucking interview. First thing, I would have said,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: is you need to move very strategic. I would have
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: backed up from it all. I would have hired a
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: production company. I would have turned this whole experience into
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: a documentary. I would have pulled in Kyrie Irving. I
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: would have examined America and race relations in the world
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: based on his activity. I would have made it look
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: like I did it on purpose. On purpose, I would
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: have here's this piece of art. I would have flipped
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: it all up very artistically on its head. I would
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: have interviewed people from the Jewish corper I would have
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: pulled everybody in. Candice Owens, the founder of Black Lives Matter.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: I would have put everybody into this very inclusive work
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: of art. Who could have made us all take a
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: step back to examine how he was destroyed when he
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: said what he said. When we have people who are
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: white climbing up the Capitol trying to kill the vice
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: president and overturn an election, who are still not in prison,
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: you know, there's a real conversation to be had, and
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: they still have their bank accounts, And they still have
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: their bank accounts. You know, since when does a bank say,
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: come get your money out because the news is saying it. Well,
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Wells Fargo probably told them that because they stole Wendy
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Williams money. I don't know if it's Wells Fargo Chase,
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: but they I think it was Chase. They've all done
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: funck shit. You know, Wells Fargo taking all of Wendy
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: Williams money because they thought she was incompetent. There was
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: no court document or nothing that said that. You know,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: when do you say pull out all of your money.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: You do that because you want to be in the news,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: because you want people to go and look at your
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: products and services. They used him, and he allowed himself
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: to be used. What I'm really big on is controlling
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: your narrative. How do you create a conversation that may
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: make the whole world blow up, but when you shake
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: it out, it shapes into this work of art that
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: actually makes people go back and start having critical thinking.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: He wasn't able to really do that because I think
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: he was too emotionally involved in it, you know, and
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: he had some really good people around him that could
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: have helped him. And then unfortunately he wanted me to
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: text him that, but I said, I'm not going to
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: text you, no problem, because I told him I said,
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: I don't want you to pay me for this idea.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: I don't want to be involved with this idea. I
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: don't want any credit for this idea. I don't want
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: any public association with this idea. That's what I was
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: going to tell him. I just want you to be
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: able to stop the noise of what you've created now
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: with this whole conversation around a topic that is a
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: real topic we could have elevated through our relationship, but
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: that you chose to go nuclear on because you had
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: a point to prove. And now you're being sued by everybody,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: and you're going to lose everything, and you're going to
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: feel like you or right because ultimately, if he runs
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: for president now and Trump runs for president and he loses,
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: he can say the only reason Trump won is because
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: white lives matter. He can say that. But by this point,
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: you've turned the whole world off from listening to that. Yeah,
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: I feel like he kind of like he kind of
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: like unintentionally wore himself out to the alt right content
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: space to where like and I don't think it was
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: his intent, you know what I mean? But I think
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: that like when you go on like certain podcasts and
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: you talk to certain people, it's like you're kind of
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: just like giving them all the ammunition that they need
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: to kind of continue to push hate on their side
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: while you're kind of oblivious to that because you think
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: that you're like, it's just very he's my favorite artist ever.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: So it's like I said, he's he definitely is gaslighting
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: the culture and he's serving up white supremacy, you know,
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: And it's unfortunate because I will say this, as much
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: as I've been critical, I'm also very much a fan.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: I think he's one of the most brilliant artists in
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: the world. He's definitely a culture disrupt their culture shift,
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: their culture leader, icon all that. He's all of that,
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: but all of that, you can still be flawed. I
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: think the one flaw that Yay has, and I say
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: this with love, is that he just he the Putin
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: and the Hitler references is more about kind of being
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: that uncheckable dictator that controls the world as he wants
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: to see it and not be questioned. But that's just
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: not the reality where we live in, you know. I
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: think you got to like read the room, and I
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: think the Hitler shit that he was saying was like
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: coming from a place of like, Jesus loves everybody. Jesus
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: forgives everybody. I love Hitler, I love Jews, but I
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: just felt like, yeah, sometimes you got to read the room. Man.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: You know, Jesus may forgive everybody, but that I mean
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: you ain't going to and I mean you ain't going
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: to go to hell and burn to death. You know
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yeah, it was just unfortunate to see.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: Like you said, it's like we've never seen. This is
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: a one of one situation. Probably the most culturally important
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: person that hip hop has probably ever had. He's moved
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: fashion musically, he's that guy, and it just kind of
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: like four months and it's just evaporated. It's kind of crazy.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: Crazy thing is I think he could come back. I
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: think he could too, you know, I think he can
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: come back, but like he has. You know, I will
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: say it was an honor to be able to be there.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: My whole goal was not to be like known for
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: being his head to meet and all that. That's great
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: that people know that he put me in a room
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: with the president of Gap, with the presidents of Adidas,
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: with the leaders of these organizations who at the time
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: were spending no money in marketing, no money in our
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: communities to seed programs, And so as head of media,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: I found my way into conversations with people to say,
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: if he makes you three billion dollars, can you not
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: put five percent towards programs in our community? And they
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: were on board with this. They were like they were
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: hungry for ideas. He just needed a green light. He
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: never did. So the frustrating part was the idea of
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: what we wanted to do was we had a billion
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: dollar commitment outside of the US to raise to get
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: this money to buy all these media conglomerates, to be
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: able to put them under one house that I would
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: sit on and help to really shape narrative for the culture,
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: and on top of that, be able to get these
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: fortune five hundred brands to be able to spend hundreds
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: of millions of dollars pouring back into our community. That's
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: the privilege that I thought I had there, And then
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: it became a circus. And when I realized, like I'm
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: a very strategic person. Once I saw like this is
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: not what it is. I don't want to spend the
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: time I have on earth like playing around, like I
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: want to leave an imprinted legacy. Do you think he
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: had a lot of yes people around him? And you're
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: obviously not a yes man, so like being in that
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: short amount of time, would you say that his inner
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: circle was pretty just kind of like, No, I won't
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: say that. I'll say that he had a lot of
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: really good people who did the work that needed to
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: be done, and when it was time to say no,
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: would say no, but it was typically through me, which
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: made me the bad guy, right And when they said no,
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: they said it in ways that would get him to
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: understand there's a need to pause, and then I would
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: come in with the no why. And I think strategically
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: we all worked well together, like everybody had their lane.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: I wasn't management, I was, you know, but I became
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: a how do we put out this fire? What's your
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: advice on how we do this? And he never wanted
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: to do it, so, you know, it wasn't that I
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: didn't have all the answers or that he didn't need
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: all the answers. I just think that he wanted to
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: do things his way and now he can look at
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: his world and see that that probably didn't work out
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: in his favor. But I won't say it's because everybody
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: around him was bad. He had really good people. I mean,
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: he had the best divorce attorney, the only one I
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: think they could have beat Kim Kardasher at least leveled
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: it out for him. He had the best other attorneys,
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: the gap person. I mean, everybody around him was They
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: were good people. But you know, he chose what he chose,
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: and here we are. Yeah, you executive produced the show.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: Is it Bobby Light? Is that the name? Bobby? I
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: love you Perry. Yeah, it's crazy because now like I
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: feel like on off, I go to like a Hollywood
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: and lock. You guys post a lot of clips from uh,
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: they buy a lot of advertising. What's the name of
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: the network networks? Oh my god, Zeus Network is lit.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: They're killing it, Jesus killing it. They lemeo shot to Limeo.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: They buy advertising, they do great and they pay on time.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: So that's so let me ask you that. Because you
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: guys will post like every show that they have, there's
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: like a clip that goes on holiday pay for it.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: So that is paid advertising. Yeah, we're paid media. We're
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: not earned media. Well that's dople because I want people
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: to realize, like Zeus Network is killing it, and they're
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: they're paying for Adverati, they're investing in their brand. Lemeo
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: does a great he has agreed. He does a great
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: job of cultivating relationship. He nurtures the relationship with his talent.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: He makes them feel valuable. He gives the back end
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: on top of what he pays, so like he paid
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: me to executive produce it. He paid me, so there's
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: front end pay, there's back in pay. He paid me
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: the host, he pays for advertising. I mean, he really
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: invest in his brand, and I'm sure he's reading the
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: benefits confis I imagine two million, one million, two million,
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: you know, subscribers at five ninety nine, they're killing them.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: It's crazy when you see something like a Blue Face
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: and Krishan Rock situation that like obviously is very probably
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: good for numbers for Hollywood unlocks because every other day
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: there's some going up, but it's obviously very toxic, a
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: toxic and it could end up being a tragic situation.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: I just feel like it's like spiraling into a place
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: that like, like I saw the No Jumper thing that
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: happened yesterday and I was just like fuck man, Like
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: it's there's been domestic violence. There's been a lot of
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: wild shit. Do you ever feel like we contribute to that? Yeah,
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: I know where you're going with that. Let me say
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: that they are my next guests on my show Okay,
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: Episode two, Episode two, very different but very similar, but
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: also very different. They didn't kick shit, break shit, and
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: it was none of that because when I went into
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: that interview, I wanted to try to humanize the madness
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: because I see what we post and there are times
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: where I will call leme and say, Okay, I think
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: it's going a little too far, like I'm not doing
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: this ad or we do this because but at the
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: same time, there's also a part of the culture that
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: wants that, Like there is an a that follows us
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: that likes that, and that kind of shit has been
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: missing from the entertainment space for a while. Well. Love
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: and hip hop had to soften itself up once the
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: George Floyd ss have happened because Black Lives Matter was
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: and also like Jerry Springer's gone. So I feel like
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: that's kind of like low key like and here's my excuse,
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: and this is what I and people are gonna say.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: That's no excuse. It is an excuse. This is a
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: black owned network. And if we're going to profit off
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: our pain or profit off our struggle or our community issues,
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: I'm more comfortable doing it with people than Viacom. Than
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: Viacom because b ET is owned by a white woman
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: Jewish women, and people don't know that. And I'm not
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: gonna politic my answers around that, but I just feel
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: like it's different. Like Lemeo took this talent Bobby Joslyn
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: Nale none who are on mainstream networks, who were not
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: getting paid what they were doing, who are not getting,
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: you know, the money that they should have gotten on
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: the back end. Joslyn helped build Love and hip Hop,
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: I mean Love and hip Hop. Well when they got
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: Atlanta's when it really blew out. Oh for sure, No, no, no, no,
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: no for sure, right for sure. And I know and
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: it's no Shade de Moona who gave us all an opportunity,
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: but like Viacom, did not pay us what we were
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: When I did Love in Hip Hop season one, I
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: got a thousand per episode, Wow, the thousand perposes. So
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: the episode I threw a drink on hanzel Y, I
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: got paid a thousand dollars for that. Killed me in
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: many ways because it forced me into a space that
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: I did something I regretted and I could not fix
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: it because they weren't even willing to help me fix it.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: There's a publicist over there. I think her name is.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: I think it's Shelly. I can't think. I can't think
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: her name, but Kelly. Her name is Kelly. This woman
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: who didn't look like me did nothing to help me
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: fix your image or my image or no personal She
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: did nothing to help and then tried to. She tried
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: to black bombing from going to the VMA, She tried
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: to all types of shit because she wanted to flex
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: her power, when really this was a show where a
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: bunch of black people were coming treated like bottom feeders
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: and given scraps to go and beat each other up
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: for the for the fame. I never wanted love and
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: hip hop for that. I use it as a marketing tool,
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: like this is a stepping stone to get in front
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: the world, launch my brand, Like I don't know what
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: the fuck these niggas doing. I don't care about knowing
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: these people like that. I don't want to be mixy anyway. Literally,
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: if you saw me on set, it was how much
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: more time Okay, we filming a five four to three
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: to do my thing, and I was out. I never
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: politics with them, I never hung out. I never wanted
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: to be friends with these people because it was never
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: about that for me. And when I look at Zeus,
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: he's taking jos on them. These people are making more
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: money than they probably have ever made in television, and
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: he's given them ownership over the show's EP credits. So
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: I give him his props for that, But I do
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: sometimes look at the content go this doesn't necessarily align
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: with what Jason Lee is about, but it is in
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: the ecosystem of what Hollywood Unlocked is and that's where
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: when you talk about it, and I appreciate you saying that,
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: where the Jason Lee brand and the Hollywood Unlocked brand
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: are two separate brands. Although I own Hollywood a lot,
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: I'm putting me out more so you see that my
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: core brand is focused on empowerment, entertainment, and in the education.
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  Speaker 1: I'm always curious man being gay in the hip hop industry. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's obviously a very homophobic genre of music historically. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because the rappers sucking dick ain't gonna tell you. They're
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  Speaker 1: not gonna tell you. These niggas out here sucking dick,
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  Speaker 1: here fucking and you know what, they never really fuck
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  Speaker 1: with me because one I think, I mean, of course
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  Speaker 1: I'm cute, I'm well dressed, I'm rich. And by the way,
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  Speaker 1: you're forty five and you're yeah, forty five. Black don't crack,
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  Speaker 1: don't crack when you got a good dermatagic. Well you
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  Speaker 1: look great, thank you. But the thing about it is,
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, my career is fucked off. My dating opportunity
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: in the hip hop here because these niggas ain't gonna
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: slide on my dms because they like or they don't know,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: they assume that I'm gonna put them on blast, which
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: if they follow me. I don't out people. I don't
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  Speaker 1: attack children, and you know, there's one more thing I
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  Speaker 1: can't think of. But you know, there's just some certain
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: things that I don't do. But I know that a
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  Speaker 1: lot of reasons why some of these hip hop artists
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: don't call my show is they have skeletons and they
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  Speaker 1: think that if they sit in that chair, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: throw them out. I would never out them, you know.
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  Speaker 1: But I also feel like they've never outright disrespected me
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  Speaker 1: for being gay, because you know, you throw some shit
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  Speaker 1: some shit at you. But I don't really feel like
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  Speaker 1: I don't get disrespected. But I do feel like there's
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: a sense of some artist's sense of fear to, you know,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: come and sit and talk with me because of what
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  Speaker 1: they think I may say. I was gonna say. Do
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  Speaker 1: you feel like that the like, like it feels like
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: the homophobia is kind of chilling out a bit when
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: you got a guy like Lil nas X, who's obviously
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: a fucking pop star, but you know, guys like yourself,
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  Speaker 1: do you feel like the level of that shit as
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: a least kind of like started to kind of. I
• 1:01:04
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  Speaker 1: like Little Nasax or Saucy Santana to break the barrier
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  Speaker 1: by showing a image of what being black and gay
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  Speaker 1: looks like. That's not always what it looks like. I'm
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: proud of Saucy Santana in his hustle because I've seen
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  Speaker 1: him and Madonna Madonna and by this super nice guy,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: super but super professional, He's on his shit, like he
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: really is excited. I had like one of my funniest
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  Speaker 1: interviews with him ever, Like he was great, He's great,
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  Speaker 1: and Little Nasacs for him to be able to continue
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  Speaker 1: to live in his truth and do what he's doing,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm fans of both, but I also believe
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  Speaker 1: that like the industry for years has made the black male,
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  Speaker 1: the black gay male experience on TV and in mainstream
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  Speaker 1: being accessory to a reality star, housewife or fucking wearing
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  Speaker 1: heels and makeup, and that's not all of us. Like
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: some of us are just real niggas who grew up
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  Speaker 1: in the hood and who happened to be gay. But
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  Speaker 1: like who I'm fucking and who's in my bed should
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  Speaker 1: have no Martin, It should have no influence over our
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  Speaker 1: that think I'm trying to fuck them, right, But I
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  Speaker 1: will say that I do think it's getting easier now
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  Speaker 1: for people to see us because the representation is there.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: But what really makes it easier is when you see
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: a Jack Harlowe perform with the Lilina X, not when
• 1:02:19
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  Speaker 1: hip hop artists and ever acting uncomfortable when half of
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  Speaker 1: your fucking trends and behind your baby mama's back. So
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  Speaker 1: that kind of shit makes me uncomfortable because I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: don't fucking play around. Don't fucking play around, because what
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  Speaker 1: you don't want is you don't want me to stop
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: wanting to protect your secrets. When I could really level
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  Speaker 1: they're on my show. I would never do that, But
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  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like I do get frustrated sometimes when
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  Speaker 1: I see certain artists seemingly uncomfortable when you know, we know,
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  Speaker 1: if we pull the curtain back, there's a skirt under there, right, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think that. Like there's a few instances over the
• 1:03:04
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  Speaker 1: and I was trying to explain to him why he's
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: pretty homophobic, and he just was not agreeing with me
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  Speaker 1: the whole time. I want him on my show. That'd
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  Speaker 1: But I'm able to have a conversation where I can
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  Speaker 1: about it, if you are a woman and you're homophobic,
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  Speaker 1: being able to have the right to vote. You don't
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  Speaker 1: same belief that they should have those rights too, Because
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  Speaker 1: it's not going to take away from what you got me.
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  Speaker 1: Fucking some dude ain't gonna make it. It doesn't mean
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  Speaker 1: to fuck your husband. We're not pedophiles, but we're just
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  Speaker 1: in our community. So what is it that that makes
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  Speaker 1: you uncomfortable about what we're doing when it has no
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  Speaker 1: effect on what you're doing. Now If you say, oh, well,
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• 1:04:28
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• 1:04:30
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• 1:04:33
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• 1:04:35
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  Speaker 1: You can call that what you want, little strange, little strange.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: Every community has this shit, But you can't say that's
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: a little strange. But then look at our community and
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: say that's fucking weird. It's all weird. If weird is weird,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: it's all weird or it's just your preference in ours.
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  Speaker 1: We prefer to do shit that you don't do. You
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: prefer to do shit that we don't do. But we
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: have to get to a place where like gay niggas
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  Speaker 1: ain't going nowhere, and these these these these hood nigga
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: who grew up with whatever they grew up with, they're
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: not going to where. So how do we co exist
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: in the world where we're not judging each other and
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: attacking each other, but you're just co existing. Yeah, I think, uh,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: I think we're getting we'll probably be to a place
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: in like twenty or thirty years where like just like
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: everyone's fucking everybody, it'll be there. When Me and Boozy
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• 1:05:18
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• 1:05:37
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• 1:05:39
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• 1:06:16
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• 1:06:23
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• 1:06:25
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• 1:06:28
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• 1:06:31
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• 1:06:35
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• 1:06:39
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• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: to do? Stay off the phone? But I'm saying like, okay,
• 1:06:47
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• 1:06:49
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• 1:06:51
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• 1:06:54
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• 1:07:32
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• 1:07:43
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  Speaker 1: How the fuck do we like move together as a nation,
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  Speaker 1: in your opinion and try to kind of like because
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  Speaker 1: I feel like just the divisiveness of the country, I
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  Speaker 1: thought that like Biden getting elected might help it, but
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like it's you know, listen, he's kind
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  Speaker 1: of just a zombie up there, just you know, trying
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  Speaker 1: to get through his fucking term. I'll say, Joe Biden
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  Speaker 1: is he's doing a lot for the black community that
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  Speaker 1: has overlooked because all the other stuff, and kind of
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  Speaker 1: so is he because you've heard, because I've heard I've
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  Speaker 1: heard I've heard people be a little like like I've
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  Speaker 1: heard Charlamagne say that he had made some promises that
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  Speaker 1: he did not follow up. I mean the George for
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  Speaker 1: Pol actor me and like me and Charlomagne made agree
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  Speaker 1: to disagree with. Charlemagne's far more intelligent than I am
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  Speaker 1: in politics, so I kind of just let him do
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  Speaker 1: whatever and whatever. But I mean, like they did develop
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  Speaker 1: We talked about this on Breakfast Club the other day,
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  Speaker 1: Like they did establish the anti lynchion Bill, which is
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  Speaker 1: the first time in history, which should have been done
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  Speaker 1: a long time ago, but he did that. You know,
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  Speaker 1: the person running the defense right now as a black man.
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  Speaker 1: The person managing the national budget is a black woman.
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  Speaker 1: When you look at you know, the press secretary for
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: the president and the vice president, they're both black women.
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  Speaker 1: One's a black queer woman. So he has done a
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  Speaker 1: lot in the terms of putting us in positions to
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  Speaker 1: be able to like see visibility and see us there.
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  Speaker 1: But then also like him exonerating all the people who've
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  Speaker 1: been arrested for federal marijuana charges. I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the student loans. I mean, he's done a lot, and
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  Speaker 1: a lot's always never enough. But I'm not going to
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  Speaker 1: say it's perfect, because you know that would be a lot.
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  Speaker 1: But you know what's the alternative Trump? Oh no, no no, no, listen.
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  Speaker 1: I voted for Joe Biden if he's if it's Joe
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  Speaker 1: Biden's corpse or Donald Trump in twenty twenty whatever the
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: fuck twenty twenty fours, I'm right, give me the skeleton.
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  Speaker 1: But I will say, if I had to give advice
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  Speaker 1: to people, man, fuck all that national shit. That's something
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: of Pittons do a local politics. We just got Karen
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  Speaker 1: Bass elected here in La. Karen Bass is somebody who
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  Speaker 1: helped me get somebody out of prison. I interviewed her
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  Speaker 1: on my show. I felt she was the real deal.
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  Speaker 1: I work with politicians for years at the Union. I
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: called her on this side and say, hey, I've been
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: trying to get a friend of mine out who's twenty
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  Speaker 1: four years old. He's locked up in a prison recently
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  Speaker 1: in Kansas a couple of years ago. He was twenty
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  Speaker 1: four at the time from my hometown. Was somebody that
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: we all knew and first time offender, got arrested for
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: a pound in marijuana and he got eight years, and
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  Speaker 1: I just felt like that was so I called everybody
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  Speaker 1: from Kim Kardashian to Van Jones to this group, to
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  Speaker 1: this group, and I was feeling helpless. But then I
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: started feeling like, again with anything I do in my career,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: if I feel like I wanted bad enough, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: going to fucking play. And he would call me every
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: other day, still being very positive, but you know, it
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: felt like what happened was wrong and wanted me to
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: help them. So I called Karen on the side, say hey,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: I really feel passionate about this, and she started talking
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: about challenges with prison reform and that this was a
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: real thing and blah blah blah. And then COVID happened.
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  Speaker 1: So I was calling the governor in that state. Governor
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: wouldn't return my calls. Karen got her attorney as the congresswoman. Wow,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: on the phone with the governor and her attorney and
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: negotiated his release and fully exonerated him and now he
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: just got his license. Wow. So like she's the real deal.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: So when she said she was running from mayor, I
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: was like, no fucking way, I'm not helping her. And
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: then to see Kim Kardashian snooping. Different people come out
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: and support for the other guy, the other guy who
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: had just become a former Republican who just became a
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: Democrat because he's running in LA Yeah, exactly. But people
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  Speaker 1: don't pay enough attention to the local politics where that's
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: what affects your shit, that's what affects what's at home.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: So yeah, that national shit is important. The local shit
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: is the most important, though, it's the most important to
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: get involved. And once you get involved with local politics,
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: you start to understand like how to be involved local, statewide, nationally,
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: like how you understand climate change. You know, conversations happening
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: in Paris for the whole world affect us. And when
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: we when our president says we don't believe in that
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: ship pulls out and then you start seeing, you know,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: you go to New York and there's no fucking snow
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: on the ground, Like, yo, it's warm, it's beautiful in
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: New York. Now, motherfucker, this is this is not good
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: because there's not snow on the ground. It's not snowing
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: in New York in the winter. That means that climate
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: control is out of control. And what is this going
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: to look like for your kids and your kids kids?
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: And I don't think people are connected enough because they're
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: too busy fucking tiktoking and wearing the right photo on
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: Instagram that they're disconnected from the fact that the world's
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: faun apartment. It's kind of by design too, of course.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: Look at TikTok like China TikTok Teddy Bears. Yeah, in China,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: the TikTok experience for kids is way different. Yeah. Out
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: here they're like, yeah, well, how did you see them?
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: All the bullshit? Yeah? Keep them distracted, it's crazy. Well listen, man,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: you got a lot going on. Ones episode two come
• 1:16:53
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• 1:16:55
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• 1:17:01
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• 1:17:03
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• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: Wednesday night after Friday is the Jason Lee podcast. Thursdays,
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: we're giving them a break. Thursday, nothing going on. I
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: mean you can really you could take a break. You
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: can take a break. Yeah, Hollywood unlocked. Anything else you
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: want to plug your You obviously got your charity. No,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: just you know, I'm just living life. I appreciate you know,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: people like you doing your homework and being a good
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: interview fan. Man, I think you're dope, and like I
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: you know, you got into it with a friend of mine. Uh,
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: Peter Rosenberg's my boy, you know, But I forget I no, no, no.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: But it's funny because when you got into it with him,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: I had your side, did you really? Yeah? Because I
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: did you talk to them about it? No? But I
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: i'd like DM them about or something. I just I
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: thought that, like I actually forgot what actually the argument
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: was about. But I think in terms you were kind
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: of speaking from somebody who's like an owner who owns
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: your ship. Well, and I appreciate it. Here I'll say this, Okay, Peter,
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: if you're watching, I love Pete man. That's I never
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: wanted to hate on Peter. And he's a good he's
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: a great guy. He probably is like here's my deal,
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: don't fucking start ship with me, Like I literally be
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: minding my business unless it's my business to mind the
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: business that we're speaking, right, And I never hated on him.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: I never you know, he's whatever. He's Peter Rosberg. He's
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: built his name and I'm building mine. But I do
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: take it personal when people personally when they personalize and
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: attack me and think that I'm not going to tack back.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: So I did say to Noriega, Yo, I'm coming on
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: drink Chand's bro. I'm gonna fucking come on there and
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: just talk my shit. But I didn't even tell Peter Rosberg,
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: and I wasn't even focused on Peter. But once he
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: asked about about Peter on the show, I made it
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: by him. But I did see recently like he kind
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: of I think he emailed me or DM me or something.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: I think he tried to connect with me and we
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: haven't connected. He's a nice guy, but I did say,
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: fuck Hot ninety seven as a company, fuck that whole brand.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: Fuck everybody over there is up. We don't support them.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: They recently try to interview me to them and fuck
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: them no, and you know what, until they make good
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: and make even I'm not sucking nobody's dick, No pun
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: intend it for a fucking look, because I have the look,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: I have the platform or radio. I'm not gonna do that.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: I don't need to go do a fucking radio run
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: with you know, these fucking losers. Hebro from from Sacramento
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: Hero Before he was he was from Sack. But I
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: knew hero before. But you know he has selective memory.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's agent or Whatay he just
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: forgot me, doesn't remember well whatever. But I had a
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: lot of respect for Hebro is like, lookal Molly mal
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: from Stockton. Absolutely, I grew up with Molly and my
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: brother are best friends. Yeah, but you know, I don't
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: hate Ebro either. I'm just not. I don't. I don't.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm not none of these I'm not subservient
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: to none of these guys. Hebro still comments on Hollywood
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: and we haven't blocked them, you know we haven't. I
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: don't blocked a lot of people. Huh. What's the block
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: list over there with more than a thousand? Nah? Nah,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: we really don't block people, like because what about you me?
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: Oh my ship? Yeah, my ship? Yeah yeah, probably I
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: got at least I got at least two thousand people blocked.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: I don't have that many or the early love and
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: hip hop days. Yeah, like when people like leave some
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: like when I would like say some political ship and
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: some maga motherfucker be in my comments of block. But
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: you can filter your comment now and you can restrict
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: people so they don't know you blocked him. I restrict people.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: I don't block them. When you retrict them, they can't
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: leave comments somewhere. Yeah. But I will say Floyd told
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: me a long time ago, why would you give somebody
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: the privilege of knowing they got your attention, because because
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: if you block them, they're like, oh they I got
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: to him, right, He's like, he was like, I don't.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: He was like, I don't. I don't even you know.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: But of course he's a billionaire. So if you and
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: Floyd are close, you have a money team. Bracelet Now,
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: I know plenty of strippers walking around Los Angeles right
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: now that have Rolexes. Per the money team. I mean,
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: I have Rolexes. I have rolex I have a Hublow.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: But he that's his token of appreciation to his team
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: in general, the man and the women. The women get
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: us a certain type of watch, and the men get
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: a certain type of watch. And for a long time
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't accept any gifts from him because I really
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: wanted him to know the relationship was genuine. It was
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: really I was just I was really inspired to see
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: somebody come from a Stockton Grand Rapids and fucking hustle
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: become a billionaire off of this talent, right, and I
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: wanted to and I had a front row seat to
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: learn from this guy. I talked to him today, matter
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: of fact, on the way over here. Yeah, talk to him, so,
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I mean he's been a great support.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: So once I on one of my birthdays several years ago,
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: he gave me the Hu blow when he was fighting.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it was Packyar or whoever he
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: was fighting, gave me a blow. He gave us all
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: of us in the room and Hu blow. And then
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: when I got my flash podcast deal with Fox Soul,
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: he gave me a Rolex. But now I bought my
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: own watches. You know, I bout my own jewelry. Hey,
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: you're rich rich man. I'm not rich rich, but I'm
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: fifty million dollar evaluation rich Hollywood unlocked. Congratulations on that,
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: and thank you for coming man. That's a hard work
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: and dedication. Hard work and dedication. There it is. Hey,
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: Jason Lee, my guy, thanks for the time. Yes, sir,