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11-2 H3: Biggest Test For Seahawks, Demond Williams Performance & NFC Trades · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 3: But Hugh Millen, we've kind of delayed it long enough.
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  Speaker 3: I have been waiting to have this discussion with you
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  Speaker 3: Mike McDonald versus Ben Johnson on the Bears offense, Seahawks
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  Speaker 3: defense side of the ball tonight on Monday Night Football.
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  Speaker 3: I asked you, or I asked, I teased it earlier
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  Speaker 3: in the last segment. In a season in 2026 where
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  Speaker 3: the Seahawks have faced Drake May and Josh McDaniels, I
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  Speaker 3: guess you could say Justin Herbert and Mike McDaniel. You
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  Speaker 3: have Kyle Shanahan and Brock Purdy, Bo Nix and Sean Payton.
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  Speaker 3: And then last week with Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes.
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  Speaker 3: Is it crazy for me to say that this is
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  Speaker 3: the biggest test yet this season for Mike McDonald's defense
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  Speaker 3: tonight in Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, probably. Sure. The commanders seemed to present a problem
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  Speaker 1: late in that game. Good point. That's more tongue-in-cheek. But
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  Speaker 1: in looking at Williams, I referenced him in the first hour.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it's unfair to compare him in a
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  Speaker 1: league with John Elway, just in terms of they're both
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  Speaker 1: number one overall picks that are thought to have incredible
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  Speaker 1: arm talent, but also... really, um, you know, uh, elite
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  Speaker 1: level elusiveness and scrambling and playmaking ability off script. And
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  Speaker 1: so in that regard, I think it's, it, there, there
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  Speaker 1: is some comparisons there. I don't think he could throw
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  Speaker 1: it as hard as Elway. Um, but he has a,
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  Speaker 1: a very, uh, uh, next level arm for sure. Um,
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  Speaker 1: Luther burden is the guy that, uh, is the biggest
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  Speaker 1: target number 10, uh, five 11, like 208 thick, explosive,
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  Speaker 1: very explosive. And, and in terms of their, their targets, um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he, he has total EPA of 13.8 is, is, uh,
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  Speaker 1: is by far the best of any of their, their targets.
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  Speaker 1: So Excuse me, from a personnel standpoint, you got to
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  Speaker 1: be concerned about him. Colson Loveland over the middle. Roma
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  Speaker 1: Dunze has emerged as more of a big play threat
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  Speaker 1: down the field. Now, he had some drops and his
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  Speaker 1: confidence seemed to be waning, but he had a big
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  Speaker 1: catch at the end of the game in their last game,
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  Speaker 1: well behind him down the field and just plucked it.
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  Speaker 1: And so him coming home, I would expect him to
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  Speaker 1: be home in the sense of, I think he's from
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  Speaker 1: Las Vegas, but home and playing in front of that crowd.
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  Speaker 1: Here's a couple things. The Bears are number one in
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  Speaker 1: play action, both number of plays, 80, and percentage, 33%.
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  Speaker 1: Seattle's number one in their zone. The play action is
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  Speaker 1: designed to get those zone defenders, those linebackers, to step up.
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  Speaker 1: And Drake Thomas is not playing. Mike McDonald has called
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  Speaker 1: Drake Thomas his smartest football player he's ever coached. So
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  Speaker 1: he was excellent at discerning, no, that's not a run.
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  Speaker 1: That's play action and not biting, stepping up. Tyrese Knight
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  Speaker 1: has got to be aware of that. That, hey, be
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  Speaker 1: aware of their play action tendencies and don't let, Again,
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  Speaker 1: Luther Burden and Colson Levin, those are the guys that
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  Speaker 1: are most likely going to be in the middle of
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  Speaker 1: the field to get in behind them. And, of course,
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  Speaker 1: on condensed formations, it could be a dunesay over the middle.
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  Speaker 1: That's a factor. Seattle is number one in the NFL
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  Speaker 1: defensively in terms of preventing explosive passes. That's defined as
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  Speaker 1: 20 yards or more. That's not a surprise to anybody listening.
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  Speaker 1: We know Seattle is that way. They play defensively. with
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  Speaker 1: a too high percent. Not only do they play zone
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  Speaker 1: at the highest rate, they play a too high zone,
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  Speaker 1: which is designed to beat that. You'll get different accounts,
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  Speaker 1: but top five level. You still there?
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  Speaker 3: Yep, I'm here.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. But here is an element that Seattle is poor at.
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  Speaker 1: And on screens, now this is going to be measured
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  Speaker 1: by Expected points added, which turns out is a really
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  Speaker 1: good emerging statistic. Google it if you're curious what it is.
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  Speaker 1: I love EPA.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So Seattle defense is against screen passes. They're 29th. Chicago,
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  Speaker 1: their offense, they're seventh. So what you don't want to get–
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  Speaker 1: here's Seattle. They're at a little over 40% in terms
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  Speaker 1: of being able to get pressure off of just a
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  Speaker 1: four-man rush. That's at or near the top of the league.
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  Speaker 1: So now what is Ben Johnson likely to do in
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  Speaker 1: that situation? Well, we talked about play action, but those screens.
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  Speaker 1: You don't want to have the screens, which have been–
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  Speaker 1: have bitten a great defense in Seattle, but, but if
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  Speaker 1: there is a little bit of Achilles heel being ranked 29th, uh, in, in, uh,
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  Speaker 1: EPA against screens only, that can be a factor tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And I would expect Ben Johnson to look to exploit that. Now,
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  Speaker 3: what about the running game? Uh, I know you're not face. I,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not saying Deandre Swift is a better running back
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  Speaker 3: than Kenneth Walker, but I believe with the scheme and everything,
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  Speaker 3: I think the bears running game as a whole presents
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  Speaker 3: almost an even bigger challenge than last week against the chiefs.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think when you talk about the synergy of the
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  Speaker 1: entire office, I think that that's a fair, um, That's fair.
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  Speaker 1: And DeAndre Swift, man, to my eye, look, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think he's not Bison Robinson. He's not Kenneth Walker, as
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  Speaker 1: you said. Right. So I'm not putting him in that category,
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  Speaker 1: but he looks like a top 10 back in this league. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I think he's fast. He runs with physicality. There's
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  Speaker 1: two guys who are going to touch the ball tonight.
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  Speaker 1: Luther Burden and DeAndre Swift. And there's some similarities. They're
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  Speaker 1: short and stocky, but they have great acceleration and explosion.
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  Speaker 1: They want to finish with physicality at the end of
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  Speaker 1: the play. And so, yeah, it's a concern. Mike McDonald
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  Speaker 1: always says, hey, it starts with, you know, it's just
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  Speaker 1: like a pitcher. You want to get into an 0-2 count.
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  Speaker 1: You want to get into third and long. You want
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  Speaker 1: to earn the right to rush the passer. And it
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  Speaker 1: starts with stopping the run, and DeAndre Swift has got
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  Speaker 1: an ability. He's got some speed. If you let him
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  Speaker 1: bounce to the outside and you're not sound, you don't
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  Speaker 1: hold that edge, he can get outside. There is a
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  Speaker 1: burst for him, for sure. Now, here's another point. I
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  Speaker 1: think that, again, Ben Johnson, he loves those trick plays.
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  Speaker 1: and the gadget plays and what have you. So Seattle's
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  Speaker 1: got to be sound. I'll give you an example. There's
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  Speaker 1: a term primary run support and secondary run support. And
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  Speaker 1: what primary run support is, let's say you're a, you're
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  Speaker 1: a safety, you know, Julian Love, if you happen to, he,
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  Speaker 1: he can come if on an outside run, he can
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  Speaker 1: just sell out and just come, come downhill and, and
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  Speaker 1: stop that outside run. Got me?
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Or a linebacker. Okay. Primary run support. But secondary run
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  Speaker 1: support is the following. You cannot come up to defend
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  Speaker 1: the run until the ball passes the line of scrimmage
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  Speaker 1: because of things like halfback passes and reverse passes and
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  Speaker 1: what have you. Because if your responsibility in your playbook
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  Speaker 1: is not primary run support but secondary run support. You
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  Speaker 1: have to stay back and be aware of any kind
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  Speaker 1: of double passes, flea flickers, gadgets. I can't even remember
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  Speaker 1: in 28 years how many times in a pregame I've
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  Speaker 1: talked about gadget plays. Maybe never. But Ben Johnson, he
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  Speaker 1: does as much as anybody, hooking laterals. I mean, he'll
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  Speaker 1: lateral to a freaking– Tackle. He's done it. Yes. Pene Sewell,
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  Speaker 1: you know, hook and ladder to a tackle like like
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  Speaker 1: he he has got a creative mind with gadget plays.
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  Speaker 1: And I think he wants to go into that stadium
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  Speaker 1: tonight and pants Mike McDonald.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think he'll be?
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  Speaker 1: Able to do that? Look, he's brash. The guy in
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  Speaker 1: his opening press conference, he said, I kind of like
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  Speaker 1: beating Matt LaFleur, of course, the head coach of the Packers.
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  Speaker 1: This is what he says. The Packers and Bears, I think,
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  Speaker 1: is the longest– Rivalry in the history of football. So, OK,
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  Speaker 1: it would be natural. That's like Michigan, Ohio State.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: You'd be natural that he'd talk about that. But the
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  Speaker 1: way he chose to talk about it, where he's singling
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  Speaker 1: out the coach. And I don't know, Matt, my floor
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  Speaker 1: seems like a classy guy to me. Maybe there's something
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  Speaker 1: that Ben Johnson knows that I don't know or that
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  Speaker 1: we don't know. But, you know, you know, he said
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  Speaker 1: last year that they were at about twenty five point
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  Speaker 1: something points per game. He says coming into this year
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  Speaker 1: he wants to set the all-time record for points. They
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  Speaker 1: would have to jump 12 points per game to do that.
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  Speaker 1: But yet he looks and he thinks, yeah, we can
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  Speaker 1: do that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Even though they play half the season in the kind
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  Speaker 1: of weather that you're likely to get in Chicago, the
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  Speaker 1: dude is a cocky SOB, and so is their quarterback.
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  Speaker 3: And they've never had a 4,000-yard passer, and yet he's
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  Speaker 3: still expensive.
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  Speaker 1: They've never had a 4,000-yard. He came 58 yards from
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  Speaker 1: it last year.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, if there was a cockiness or an arrogance rating
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  Speaker 3: in Madden, those two would be top.
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  Speaker 1: Of the list, right? Yeah, the combo. If you said
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  Speaker 1: grade 50% on the head coach, 50% on the quarterback,
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  Speaker 1: I think the Bears are the cockiest offense, certainly, as
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  Speaker 1: measured that way in the NFL. So why could that matter?
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  Speaker 1: Who cares about their state of mind? Ben Johnson... He
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  Speaker 1: wants nothing more than to have people say that he
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  Speaker 1: outfoxed Mike McDonald. And part of that could be his
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  Speaker 1: noted gadget plays.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that'll be definitely something to look out for.
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  Speaker 3: How big of a loss is Chenna Nwosu? I know
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  Speaker 3: we talked about the run game. As much as we
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  Speaker 3: talk about Caleb Williams and Luther Burden in the passing game,
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  Speaker 3: it feels like the Bears want to run the ball first.
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  Speaker 3: Chenna was one of the chief factors in being that.
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  Speaker 3: One of the best run defenses in football for Seattle.
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  Speaker 3: Him being out tonight, I think, is a big difference.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't think he's a difference maker necessarily. Um,
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  Speaker 1: but he sets a good edge and, and certainly it, it, it's,
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  Speaker 1: it's a blow. Um, so now it affects your depth
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  Speaker 1: and what you may see now is more Leonard Williams
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  Speaker 1: playing end, which now, so, so the reps you look
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  Speaker 1: and you say, Oh, um, the reps that Ochena, uh, uh,
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  Speaker 1: isn't going to provide. You say you, you just kind
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  Speaker 1: of look at the defensive end, uh, group for Seattle
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  Speaker 1: and you think, okay, it's just the address as well.
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  Speaker 1: You've got, you've got, uh, you know, Patrick or Conroe
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  Speaker 1: tools out. Um, and, and, uh, you know, to a
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  Speaker 1: lesser extent, Chaz, right. You know, some of the depth
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  Speaker 1: guys that you'd be pointing to, uh, you know, Mike Morris. No,
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  Speaker 1: I would think that Seattle would be more likely to
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  Speaker 1: have Leonard Williams play more reps at end because of Uchenna.
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  Speaker 1: And then, that maybe brings more reps for Riley Mills.
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  Speaker 1: Does that make sense?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe more reps for Jaron Reed. Now, even Peely, he's hurt,
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  Speaker 1: but it could be that type of group effort. Now,
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  Speaker 1: final point. In Caleb Williams, you've got a guy. He is.
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  Speaker 1: EPA per play. You already said you like EPA.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's good of you to like it because
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  Speaker 1: the correlation numbers are there. Now,. 348 probably doesn't mean
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  Speaker 1: much to anybody because it doesn't even mean anything to me.
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  Speaker 1: How do they even get there?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But Caleb Williams at. 348 per play is number two
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  Speaker 1: in the NFL. Only Josh Allen has more,. 375.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Here's an interesting matrix. Completion percentage over expected. Caleb Williams
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  Speaker 1: is a plus exactly nine. So whatever matrix where they say, okay,
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  Speaker 1: based on the next-gen stats and the location of the
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  Speaker 1: defenders and all, Caleb Williams is not, that's number one
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  Speaker 1: in the NFL.
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  Speaker 3: So does that mean he's getting lucky? Like completion percentage
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  Speaker 3: above expected?
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  Speaker 1: Or does that mean he's just making good throws? He's
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  Speaker 1: making accurate throws and he's making risky throws. So let's
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  Speaker 1: see if we can't get a hand on that, pop
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  Speaker 1: it up and get an interception. He's number four in
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  Speaker 1: success rate. That's, that speaks to, and the bears I
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  Speaker 1: think are number one in time of possession success rate, um,
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  Speaker 1: doesn't measure the, uh, the home run, it's, it's more
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  Speaker 1: like batting average as opposed to slugging percentage.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Is it success is just, do you get 40%
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  Speaker 1: of the needed yards on first down 60% of the
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  Speaker 1: need yards on second and all the needed yards on
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  Speaker 1: third and fourth.
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  Speaker 3: It's a yes or no.
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  Speaker 1: Whether you get five yards on first down or 50
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  Speaker 1: yards on first down, it's yes or no. It's like
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  Speaker 1: getting a hit. A single is the same as a
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  Speaker 1: home run.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: In success. Uh, but it does speak to your ability
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  Speaker 1: to be, uh, you know, efficient. right? Like, like a
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  Speaker 1: consistent and, and Williams is number four, but his explosive
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  Speaker 1: rate is number three. So, so there's, there's stats right there.
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  Speaker 1: One reflects his consistency. One, uh, reflects his explosiveness and
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  Speaker 1: he's in the top four in both. So, um, but
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  Speaker 1: yards per attempt out of the pot. Now the numbers
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  Speaker 1: didn't play out as high as I thought. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: going to get into all the numbers. I'll just summarize
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  Speaker 1: like this. Cause I've probably worn out my, my allotment
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  Speaker 1: of stats that anybody can handle.
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  Speaker 3: No, I'm here for it.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go. But as I crunched the numbers from last
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  Speaker 1: year and this year, Caleb Williams is not as effective
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  Speaker 1: outside the pocket as I thought because he's a beautiful
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  Speaker 1: athlete and all the plays he made out of USC.
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  Speaker 1: But he's still good. Yards per attempt outside of the pocket,
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  Speaker 1: 8.9 yards. That's sixth in the league. Um, his air
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  Speaker 1: 20 yards or more outside the pocket. He's seventh in
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  Speaker 1: the league. What does that mean? If he gets outside
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  Speaker 1: the pocket, he's the seventh most likely to try and
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  Speaker 1: throw the ball deep down the field, 20 yards or more.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Um, he, if he gets outside of the pocket is
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  Speaker 1: his scramble where he's going to actually run at 29%
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  Speaker 1: and change that's eighth in the league. Um, Okay, so
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  Speaker 1: where am I going that this is really important? I
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  Speaker 1: think I mentioned we all acknowledge Seattle's defense is elite.
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  Speaker 1: But we talked about Seattle's defense being 29th against the screen.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to give you another weakness they have. I
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  Speaker 1: think they allow quarterbacks to break contain too much, particularly
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  Speaker 1: right-handed quarterbacks out to the right. Okay. I think that
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  Speaker 1: the way they take angles at the quarterback and they
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  Speaker 1: easily allow quarterbacks to get outside the C-gap. That's outside
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  Speaker 1: the tackle. Seattle has got to, in my opinion, when
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  Speaker 1: they rush for four, there's six exit lanes for the quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: Got me? If five men are blocking, there's six lanes.
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  Speaker 1: The A-gap, B-gap, and C-gap on each side. A-gap is
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  Speaker 1: between the center and guard. B gap between the guard
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  Speaker 1: and the tackle. And we commonly use those terms when
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  Speaker 1: we talk about the running game, but it also applies
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  Speaker 1: to the escape hatch for the quarterback in the pocket.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Follow me?
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  Speaker 3: Yep, I got you.
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  Speaker 1: And so if you're only rushing four, then particularly to
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  Speaker 1: Caleb Williams' right, our left, the Seahawks' left, you can't
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  Speaker 1: just sell out into one gap Because Caleb Williams is
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  Speaker 1: going to find the escape. You've got to rush as
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  Speaker 1: a team, rush as a unit. Be more likely to
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  Speaker 1: have bull rushes. Makes sense? Bull rushes and squeeze the pocket.
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  Speaker 1: That's why Leonard Williams, being outside, that may be a
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  Speaker 1: good thing because he can bull rush. Right. And, and,
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  Speaker 1: and then you've got to tell the defensive end, the
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  Speaker 1: guy in the C gap, you cannot get higher than
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  Speaker 1: the quarterback. So if the ball snapped it, let's say
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  Speaker 1: that the bears 25 yard line. Yep. And, and, and
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  Speaker 1: we'll just route numbers. We'll say Williams is standing on
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  Speaker 1: the 20. So he's exactly five yards behind the line
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  Speaker 1: of scrimmage and Caleb Williams, right. Cannot get to the
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  Speaker 1: 19 yard line.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Can't go past.
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  Speaker 1: Got to get to the 20. That's it. Yep. Do
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  Speaker 1: not get past the quarterback because that'll open up the
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  Speaker 1: B gap and there'll be out the gate. Now, all
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: of a sudden he's elongating plays. Um, And so you
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: just got to constrict him slowly and then, you know,
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: and to that right side. And if you do that
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: to the guard as well, you know, one guy who
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: in a position to fall off into the A, either
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: the A or the B gap, because if you're rushing
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: four and there's six gaps, escape hatches, and if you
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: sell out, he's going to find the one that's available.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: He's uncanny. He's got strong legs. He can shirk off
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: of arm tackles. You know, he can be going fast
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: and then stop on a dime because he's got short,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: strong legs, very elusive, great instincts in the pocket, forget
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: being evasive and getting out. That's why he's the number
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: one overall pick.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: And that's why I can even bring him into a
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: conversation with John Elway. So that element of keeping that
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: dude in the pocket has got to be better than
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: what we've seen from Seattle over the last couple of years. God,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: I love Mike McDonald as much. as much as anybody in,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: you know, Seattle history. I mean, I'd love to do, but,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: but that's an area that his team can be better
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: and they gotta be better tonight. Cause Caleb Williams is,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: you know, he he's a load when he gets out
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: there in a position to create place.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: All right. So don't allow him to get outside the pocket,
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: stop the run and look out for the trick plays
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: for Ben Johnson. That's a little, little mini chalk talk
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: session with him.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: And I love it. Stop the run sounds so generic,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: but you know, you're going to build the wall. When
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: he bounces, you know, you got to spit, you know,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: the term, if you spill it to the outside, you
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: got to have the safeties coming inside out and an
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: ability to match his speed because he's pretty explosive.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: All right. It's just such a fascinating matchup. I can't
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: wait to see kind of what it looks like tonight.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: Let's let's head back to some dog talk. DeMond Williams
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: came in and showed some stuff that both you and
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: I were pretty impressed with in the win against Nebraska
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: over the weekend. Let's discuss. Did he just instantly get
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: his starting job back for Jed Fish and the Huskies?
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: We'll talk about that next on Sports Radio 93.3 KJR FM.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: Welcome back to Chuck in the Morning. Sports Radio 93.3
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: KJR FM. A little bit different schedule for today. First
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: of all. Chuck Powell's on vacation, so he'll be back
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: in a few days later on this week. So myself,
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: Anderson Hurst, Christopher Kidd, and we got Hugh Millen with
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: us for all four hours. Second thing that's a little
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: bit different today is since the Seahawks did not play
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: on the Sunday, this would normally be the Monday morning
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: quarterback portion of the show. We still have Hugh Millen
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: with us, but it's kind of a Monday morning preview.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: And we'll have our little Tuesday morning quarterback after the
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: Monday night football game. tonight between the Seahawks and the Bears.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: But let's chat a little bit about the Huskies' victory
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: in Nebraska in Lincoln in their blackout night. Elijah Brown struggled.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: The offense struggled. They went to DeMond Williams, and he
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: ended up kind of pulling a rabbit out of the
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: hat to get Jed Fish and the Huskies a victory
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: in Lincoln. Huey, I want to leave it open-ended to you.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: What did you see from DeMond? Did it look different
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: to you, what he was doing in the small portion
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: of the game that he played on Saturday versus his
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: previous six and a half games in the season? Did
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: it look like a different DeMond Williams to you when
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: he came in?
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: I would say that there was a slight element of
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: trying to get rid of the ball I think that
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: that had been kind of drilled into him, and he
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: had seen how Eliza Brown had got rid of the
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: ball coming into the game. Eliza Brown on passes under
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: two and a half seconds time to throw. That was 60%
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: of all Eliza Brown's attempts. For DeMond, it was 40%.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: And so a very big discrepancy there. And so I
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: do think that he was trying to be decisive. And
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: of course, when he goes, he always goes, right? And
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: so when he chose to run... He made a big,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: big impact with his legs on a couple of occasions. Yeah.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: So, I mean, did you think this was a situation
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: because we mentioned it last week as well when, you know,
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: there was a talk about, OK, is there any argument
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: for starting Elijah Brown or sorry, starting Daman Williams over
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: Elijah Brown? after he had shown so much success versus
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: Purdue and DeMond had struggled up until that point, there
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: was an element of, hey, we just came off our bye.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: DeMond Williams, I don't think anyone would argue, is the
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: more talented of the two quarterbacks. He could see what
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: made Elijah Brown successful in just kind of Quick throws,
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: getting the ball out of your hand, but add that
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: with his ability to extend plays a little bit more.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: Do you think maybe that came into play a little
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: bit and that DeMond Williams kind of saw what was
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: giving Elijah Brown so much success during his one-and-a-half game tenure?
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Well, the way you frame that, it's an interesting question
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: we can have because you said nobody would question DeMond
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Williams is more talented.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Sorry to put you on the spot, but you're a
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: young guy. You can handle this. Quickly, what is 11
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: times 14?
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: I don't have that right in my head, but I
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: didn't expect to have math here.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: So what's the answer? 154, thanks to Christopher Kidd, who
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: did the little calculation.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Okay. But the point is that.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: And I apologize for that.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: No, it's all good.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: No, you're good.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: But I'm making a point about quarterbacking. There's things that
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: you can sit in a room and you can say, okay,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: go up and drop cover three. Drop cover quarters, quarter, quarter, half,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: robber coverages. You can have all the knowledge you want
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: in the, in the quarterback meeting room on the whiteboard
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: or with the laser pointer, um, um, watching tape. But
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: then is it a talent to be able to process
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: the information that's not terribly difficult? Like, you know, it right. Like,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: you know, you, you know, okay. 10 times 14 is
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: 140 at, you know, add another one, one 54. Like
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: it's not hard, but how fast can you do it? Right.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: And so a quarterbacking is a lot of that. So
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: the processing of, while you're standing in the pocket and
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: all these things, this stimulus coming at you, is it
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: a talent to process? I would submit absolutely it's a talent.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: So now, here I am, I'm sorry, I'm caught on word.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: I would absolutely concede that DeMond Williams is a much
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: more talented runner.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Uh, he has a stronger arm, but is he more accurate?
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Does he process in ways that, that directly relate to
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: quarterback to being an effective quarterback? I mean, I, I love, uh, um,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Mark's left my former teammate with the, uh, Broncos who's,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: who's made a name for himself in the media. You know,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: he has a, I love this comment. He says, he says, uh,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: you know, they, they say it's the skill positions that, uh,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: you know, wide receiver, running back quarterback, they're the skill positions.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: And he says, you try and block Aaron Donald.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: And, and tell me if you think there's skill involved
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: with trying to block him. So, so, I think some
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: of these terms now, how is that related? The things
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: that you have to do for your position, it's a
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: skill to block Aaron Donald. It is a talent to
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: be able to process the information you need, kind of
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: the right brain, spatial awareness skills. of, okay, I know
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: they're in, they just dropped from cover four down to
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: cover three buzz and that safety, he's got the hook zone,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: but where are they? And can they get to the
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: spot that I want to throw it? And you process
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: all of this so fast. So I think that there's
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: a lot of elements that if you wanted to analyze
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Demond Williams in 45 seconds? Well, you could see how
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: quick his feet are in 45 seconds. You could see
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: how fast he spins the ball and his velocity. There's
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: a lot about his talents that you can assess in
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: under one minute. But the talent of actually being a
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: productive quarterback involving this processing element, sorry, I got off
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: on a tangent, but I think it's an important tangent
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: now because that's the decision. Does that make sense? Yeah, absolutely. Chris,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: you can join in on here, but it's interesting where
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: you say, okay, talent. And does DeMond Williams clearly have
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: more talent than Elijah Brown? Well, there's elements that Elijah
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Brown's more talented than him.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point. Can I amend my statement then?
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: He's more physically gifted than Elijah Brown. Is that a
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: fair assessment, do you think?
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, is it a physical gift to
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: be able to throw accurately? I mean, I don't know
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: how innately accurate is, you know, look, I don't want
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: to get into a, you know, tit for tat, like,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: you know, like hold your feet to the fire. I
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: think it's a, this isn't supposed to, you know, I'm
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: not trying to, you know, drill you to the tree,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm just, I'm, I think it's an interest. discussion.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: I think Husky fans are having this discussion about what
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: constitutes talent. What, what is the most important? How do
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: you prioritize? Cause you gotta, at this juncture, you gotta
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: triage this thing, you know, to, to finish out the, uh,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: the year. And I think Jed Fish probably got what
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: he wanted out of it.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: That's kind of what I was thinking, too. Almost a
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: perfect situation where you still get the win, and you
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: kind of have an easy way to go back to
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: DeMond Williams as your starting quarterback, right?
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you satiated people's desire to see Elijah Brown, but
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: that desire's probably quelled a little bit.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: And so now you go back to the guy that
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: you think gives you the best chance to win. I
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: do think that there was a time there where maybe
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: this was like, Hey, maybe Eliza Brown is the best guy.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Because, because again, he can process, get the ball out
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: of his hand. Right. And maybe he is the guy
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: for our offense. You know, you know, I, I think
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: there's a good argument of my, my strongest take on
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: this one. Cause I know where you're getting at. Who should,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: who should, who should Washington start just one man's opinion. Um,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: my strongest take is that I don't think you should
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: have a strong take. Okay.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: There's not clear winner here.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: I know if, if you, I think there's arguments. I
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: could certainly back an argument. Demond Williams should start against
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Penn state.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: I can certainly back an argument that Eliza Brown should
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: start against Penn state. I think it's going to be
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Demond Williams. Yeah. Because the guy who matters is the
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: head coach. And I think that he wants to, to
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: have Demond Williams. Um, but I, I, I, I, again,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: my strongest take is if, if you say it's, Oh,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: it has to be demand or, Oh, it has to be, uh,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: Eliza Brown. I, I, I just don't agree with that.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, the Washington offense is a mess, right? You know, they're, they're,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: they're dead last in rushing offense. Um, they're, they are, uh,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: they're 17th with, with, uh, rushing and sacks removed yards
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: per carry. They're, 11th and 100th in the nation. Sacks allowed,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: they're dead last in the conference, and 132nd out of 138.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Third down conversions, they're 17th in the conference out of 18.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: 119th in the nation. Tackles for loss allowed, they're 16th
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: and 107th in the nation. How about pre-snap penalties? Dead
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: last in the conference. Um, scoring offense, their 14th total offense,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: their 13th, the offenses, they're, they're, they're not great. They're
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: not well coached. And so the, the quarterback, what, what,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: whatever you want to put them on in great. You
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: want to put Eliza Brown in great. It's not a
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: good offense.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: And, um, You know, it's unlikely to be fixed by
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: either one of them.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're searching for answers at this point to make
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: anything work. So I agree with you. I think we'll
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: kind of see what ends up happening. But I can
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: we can make the safe assumption that it probably will
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: be DeMond Williams starting against Penn State. Yeah.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: Coming up next, let's. Which NFC team improved their team
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: the most with a trade? The Seahawks with Quentin Nelson,
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: the Niners with DeForest Buckner, or the Bears with Jeffrey Simmons?
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: We'll ask you that next. Sports Radio 93.3 KJR FM.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Welcome back.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: Chuck in the morning. Sports Radio 93.3 KJR FM. Chuck
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: is on vacation for a few days. So Anderson Hurst,
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: myself and Christopher Kidd joined by Hugh Millen today for
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: four hours of football breakdowns. Appreciate him, you know, getting
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: up a little earlier and getting on the air with
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: us and, you know, helping us break down the Seahawks, Bears, Huskies.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: Nebraska over the weekend. And Hugh, I want to ask
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: you really quick, with the trade for Quentin Nelson with
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: the Seahawks yesterday, kind of set some domino effects around
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: the NFC. The Niners then respond with DeForest Buckner to
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: bring him back. Remember, he was on their 2019 Super
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: Bowl appearance team. And then Jeffrey Simmons goes to the Bears.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: Of those three moves across the NFC, Which team do
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: you think improved the most? Not the best team after
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: the moves, but who improved their team the most with
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: each of those moves?
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's any question in my mind that
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: the Bears did. Really? Okay. Yeah, they were soft on
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: the inside. That was arguably the worst part of their
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: football team was the interior of their defensive line. And
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: just remember this, in the entire history of football, Jeffrey
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Simmons is the only defensive tackle who has ever been
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: traded for two number one draft picks. And so that
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: now you could say there's, there's certainly been plenty of
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: defensive tackles that would have been worthy of it.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, from Aaron Donald to Reggie white on down. Right.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: And he, Reggie white played inside and outside. I get it. But, but,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: but yeah, you had a position of weakness and you got,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: a better player than either the Seahawks or the, um, uh,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: the 49ers. Actually, let me strike that. Let me, let
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: me withdraw that defensive tackle. An elite defensive tackle can
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: always impact the game more than an elite offensive guard.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: And so I think even if we said, okay, you
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: got a hall of famer, um, probably both going to
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: the hall of fame. I mean, um, Quentin Nelson is
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: for sure going to the Hall of Fame. Yeah. And
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: yet he plays offensive guard. They're both eighth year in
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: the league, so their age is similar. But I would
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: just say the position is more impactful to the game.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: And then I would put number two, I'd put the Seahawks,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: and then number three, I'd put the 49ers.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it does feel like the Niners kind of more,
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: it's more of a depth piece. It's a name we
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: know mainly because he used to play for the Niners,
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: but I don't think he's the same player he was
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: seven years ago when he was with them. And even
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: then it was like, hey, a really good player, but
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: not like a blue chip sort of guy. But do
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: you get the same impression that I do? I asked
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: Christopher this on Friday. that because the Seahawks were the
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: first one to get this done, is it a coincidence
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: that the other two teams, the Seahawks improved on the
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: offensive side of the interior of the line, and then
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: the other two teams improved with the defensive side of
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: the interior line, almost in response to what the Seahawks did?
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, don't know. Would they have done that had Seattle
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: not acquired Quentin Nelson? We'll never know that universe. But
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: for Seattle, You know, it just made sense for the needs.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: And Chicago had a need in the inside. That's a
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: hefty price for a guy who's in his eighth year.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: So they think they're in a Super Bowl window now.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: You know, in the case of DeForest Buckner, if you
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: wanted to elevate the evaluation of that trade, it would
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: be what it costs because it was only a fourth-round
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: pick in next year's draft. So if that's a factoring– then,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: then we could maybe reshuffle the order of this. Sure.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: But if you're talking about where you were a couple
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: of weeks ago, or even a week ago versus where
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: you are now, you know, I don't know if you're
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: including JJ McCarthy, the giants, we'll see how that plays out. Um,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Jackson darts, presumably their quarterback. I would, it stunned me
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: if JJ McCarthy played at a level to make that interesting.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: It wouldn't stun me. I wouldn't predict it. Um, but,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy is a young guy. So, so now that
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: that's not of much interest to us, although we do
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: play the giants later in the year.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Um, you know, Joey Porter was acquired by the Cowboys, uh,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: for 20, 27, six, then, and then the next year,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: a second round pick, that's pretty high cost. So we
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: can talk about the cost that he gave up. I
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: think Seattle, uh, really deserves credit that, that, uh, it's
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: a third and a fifth rounder, but if, Quentin Nelson
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: doesn't resign as we expect that he will, right? Because
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: that's how history is shown. But if he doesn't resign,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: then you get a third-round draft pick as far as compensation.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: So it only ends up being a fifth-round pick for
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: a renter player. When you're in the kind of window
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: that Seattle's in with that defense to try and repeat,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: renter players– that can make that kind of impact are
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: worth a fifth-round pick, in my opinion.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: Well, Hugh thinks Simmons is the biggest add of those three,
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: or at least improves the team the most. And someone
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: who knows well about the addition, what he might look
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: like tonight in his Bears debut, we got Zach Pearson
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: coming on the show as a Bears beat reporter for
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: 247 Sports. He will join Hugh, Christopher, and I on
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: the other side of the break, Sports Radio 93.3 KJRFM.